Guest guest Posted November 6, 2006 Report Share Posted November 6, 2006 Dear Rajeev, Radhe krishna! I add my comments to Krishnadaya's query this query although it is addressed to Smt. Sarojamji. Hope she will correct me if I am wrong. Otherwise, kindly treat it as another doubt asked by a devotee. No doubt, Narayaneeyam is an epitome of Srimad Bhagavatam. There is no mention of Chaitanya Mahaprabhu in Bhagavatam, probably because Bhagavatam is as old as Kali-yuga, and Chaitanya Mahaprabhu was living in the Kali-yuga. Narayaneeyam or Bhagavatam do not speak of a would-be avatar of the Lord in the name of Chaitanya-Mahaprabhu. So it is my opinion that we can consider Chaitanya Mahaprabhu as a great devotee of the Lord, an "Agra-ganya" and not as an avatar of the Lord. Narayaneeyam was written in the 16th century. Of course, Narayaneeyam does not refer to any Bhaktas by name, except those mentioned in Bhagavatam. We can consider all great Bhaktas as the Lord himself, as there is no doubt that the Lord only manifests Himself in the form of Bhaktas to teach the world---like Adi Sankara, Ramanujacharya, Raghavendra, even Ramakrishna Paramahamsa.. .. By the way, what exactly do you mean by “ worship of the incarnation of Godhead who constantly sings the names of Krishna ”? Regards KVG. Krishnadaya wrote: Bhagavane Guruvayoorappa ! Dear Smt. Sarojam Ji , Could you please clarify the following : “ Narayaneeyam “ is the condensation of Srimad Bhagavatham . However , “Naryaneeyam” doesn’t mention about “ worship of the incarnation of Godhead who constantly sings the names of Krishna ” . Most Krishna-bhaktas in Kerala are singing only the “nama” of Sri Krishna (Maha-Vishnu/Narayana) . I have read somewhere that , Sri Ramakrishna has said “ Chaitanya Mahaprabhu is Krishna Himself” . This concept is the core of ISKCON’s literature , but the same is not in Ezhuthanchan’s “kilippattu” . I don’t have a copy of the original Srimad Bhagavatham text with me , and therefore unable to refer it . I understand from books that , Chaithanya Mahaprabhu during His lifetime was promoting worship of Krishna ; and didn’t accept direct worship . Om Namo Narayanaya !!! Krishnadaya . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 6, 2006 Report Share Posted November 6, 2006 Dear Krishnadaya, About your questions on Narayaneeyam perhaps KVG will be able to answer more authentically than me.I am not familiar with Malayalam literature of Ezutthacchan etc. But so far as my knowledge goes Narayaneeyam is only Bhagavatham retold in his own words by Narayanabhattadri because the sequence of the topics are the same, so is the subjectmatter. But as Bhattadri was addressing Guruvayurappan he mentioned Krishna as the supreme godhead as you call it thereby denoting Krishna as synonymous with Narayana. Vaishnavites, I mean the followers of Ramanuja see no difference between Krishna ,Rama ,Nrsimha etc. as all are the manifestations of Naryana which is also the essence of Bhagavatha. The epithe Vasudeva does not only mean vasu devaputhra but the Paravasudeva the first of the four vyuhas of the Lord, the others being,Sankarshana,Pradhyumna and aniruddha, which are again not to be confused with the names mentioned in Krishnavathara, as the names of the vyuha are given to these entities and not vice versa. I hope I have made it clear and I welcome any more info.on this from KVG and others. saroja RamanujamKrishnadaya <krishnadaya wrote: Bhagavane Guruvayoorappa !Dear Smt. Sarojam Ji ,Could you please clarify the following : ? Narayaneeyam ? is the condensation of Srimad Bhagavatham . However , ?Naryaneeyam? doesn?t mention about ? worship of the incarnation of Godhead who constantly sings the names of Krishna ? . Most Krishna-bhaktas in Kerala are singing only the ?nama? of Sri Krishna (Maha-Vishnu/Narayana) . I have read somewhere that , Sri Ramakrishna has said ? Chaitanya Mahaprabhu is Krishna Himself? . This concept is the core of ISKCON?s literature , but the same is not in Ezhuthanchan?s ?kilippattu? . I don?t have a copy of the original Srimad Bhagavatham text with me , and therefore unable to refer it . I understand from books that , Chaithanya Mahaprabhu during His lifetime was promoting worship of Krishna ; and didn?t accept direct worship . Om Namo Narayanaya !!!Krishnadaya . May god bless you, Dr. Saroja Ramanujam, M.A., Ph.D, Siromani in sanskrit. Sponsored LinkMortgage rates near historic lows: $150,000 loan as low as $579/mo. Intro-*Terms Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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