Guest guest Posted November 23, 2006 Report Share Posted November 23, 2006 HARI AUM Riightly said-the piece is really really lucid. The background story of the battle prompts many to treat the 'gita' as time bound, and hence considers it as 'not quite in touch with the present'. Hope you will clear this point by showing the 'eternal' qualities of the same. Regards Balagopal NARAYANA NARAYANA NARAYANA --- sarojram18 <sarojram18 wrote: > Panchajanyam Hrishikesah- Lord Krishna sounded > his conch which was > music to His followers but sounded the death knell > to His foes. The > one who played the flute in Brindavan enchanting the > whole world with > His music, blew His conch in Kurukshetra, stunning > the Kaurava forces > into silence. > > > > Panchajanya the conch of the Lord, is > pranavasvarupa, > represents Omkaara, and hence synonymous with > nadhabrahmam, as > pranava, the syllable OM is the source of all sound. > Om ityekaksharam > brahma, Brahman the Absolute Reality synonymous with > syllable OM, > says the sruti. When the Lord touched the face of > the boy Dhruva with > the Panchajanya he became eloquent. Such was the > power of Panchajanya. > > > > At the outset of the Mahabharata war > Lord Krishna blew > His conch in response to the conch blown by Bhishma, > who wanted to > hearten Duryodhana as the latter was a bit jittery > but not enough to > make him see sense. This scene was described to the > blind king > Dhritarashtra by Sanjaya, his charioteer. Sanjaya > had been invested > with a divine vision by the sage Vyasa, which > enabled him to > visualize the battlefield as if on a TV screen > > > > Dhrtarashtra was blind not only > physically but also > psychologically .He was blind to the faults of his > son Duryodhana , > blind to the course of dharma and blind to the power > of Krishna ,the > saviour of the Pandavas. The opening verse of the > Bhagavatgita proves > this. Dhrtarashtra asks Sanjaya “ What did my > people and the > Pandavas do in the field of Kuruksetra, the field of > dharma. †The > term my people, mamakah, shows his partiality > towards his sons. > The qualifying phrase ‘ field of dharma' used by > him to denote the > battlefield clearly indicates his perverted notion > of dharma > implying that it is his son who has the right to > inherit the > kingdom and the war fought in the dharmakshetra > should be > favourable to his son. The price he paid for his > blind love towards > his son Duryodhana was indeed very high , namely > the total > annihilation of the Kuru race. > > The battle of Mahabharata signifies the fight > between the evil > and the good impulses in man that ever goes on > within. The good > impulses are fewer in number like the Pandava army > while the bad > impulses are comparatively greater in number. But > with divine grace > good always triumphs over the wicked. When the mind > is turned towards > God ,man hears the sound of the Panchajanya , which > becomes divine > music that rouses the satvik, noble, quelling the > rajasic dynamic and > tamasic lower impulses.. The power of music in > restraining the animal > passions and evoking finer sentiments in the > listener is due to the > manifestation of divinity through music. The inner > self rises in its > pristine purity above the sense experience to merge > with the divine. > > But to reach that state one has to become aware of > the divinity > within and invoke the Lord , the true self of all > beings. Arjuna > requested Lord Krishna to become his charioteer and > the Lord > consented. Similarly one has to ask for His help to > be saved from > disaster. When He becomes our sarathy as He did for > Arjuna , with > Parthasarathy on our side the victory is ours. > > The Upanishads are the cows whose milk is the > Bhagavatgita , > milked by Lord Krishna for the benefit of > sudheehiThe purpose of the > Lord in accepting the role of the charioteer to > Arjuna was not merely > to secure him victory in the battle. He did so > mainly for the benefit > of mankind , in order to give the Gospel of wisdom , > ‘ The Song of > the Supreme Self.’, Bhagavatgita. Arjuna was only > a pretext to bring > forth the gift of God to humanity. This is > beautifully expressed in > the sloka ‘sarvopanishado gavo dhogdha gopala > nandhanah ; partho > tvatsah sudhirbhoktha dhugdham gitamruta mahat ,all > the Upanishads > became the cows the one who milked them being the > son of a cowherd, > the calf was Partha and the milk, gitamruta and the > consumers of the > milk were sudheeh the people with right thinking. > who seek the wisdom > of the scriptures .Arjuna was the calf to induce the > cow to give the > milk. > > The act of milking comes naturally to a cowherd. > But this gopala > has put on the costume of a cowherd to delude > others. Vedanta Desika > calls him mithyaagopah , a feigned cowherd. Actually > the term > gopalanandana etymologically could be construed to > mean the Lord , > the word ‘go’ in Sanskrit has several meanings > such as veda earth > etc. The gopala is the one who protects the world > and the Vedas. He > is of the nature of bliss and bestows bliss on those > who revel in > Him. So He is called Gopala nandana. > > > What is the necessity for a separate > treatise ,namely ,Bhagavatgita when the same > knowledge can be had > from the Upanishads directly? To understand the > Upanishads one has to > undergo a rigorous discipline involved in learning > through a guru, > away from the world and that is why this portion of > the vedas are > called aaranyakaa, of the forest. So how can the > ordinary man acquire > the wisdom to enable him to become free from bondage > of karma? For > this purpose Krishna put on the mantle of Jagatguru > out of compassion > and put forth Gita for all to follow. . > ` > Bhagavatgita is the guide book of man in the path of > evolution. The > goal of human life is to realize his true self. > Whichever route a man > takes , materially or spiritually the destination is > the same. The > desire for evolution is instinctive in all creatures > ,as proved by > the Darwin’s theory. Even a man who aspires for > success in his > worldly pursuits will be helped by the study of the > Gita as the > principles underlined therein are applicable in > everyday life. In > fact the management techniques and the psychological > concepts that > have gathered worldwide popularity now , are nothing > but the > principles underlined in the Gita sans the > devotional and spiritual > aspects of it. A musician can evolve into a maestro > , a student can > develop into a scholar , an artist can blossom into > a master , by > assimilating the truths declared by Lord Krishna in > the Gita. > > > > > In order to expound the discourse of the Gita > Lord Krishna > deliberately created a confusion in the mind of > Arjuna === message truncated === ________ India Answers: Share what you know. Learn something new http://in.answers./ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 24, 2006 Report Share Posted November 24, 2006 That is what I have done in mentioning the eternal battle inside us and the necessity of having the Lord as ousr sarathy.balagopal ramakrishnan <rbalpal wrote: HARI AUMRiightly said-the piece is really really lucid. The background story of the battle prompts many totreat the 'gita' as time bound, and hence considers itas 'not quite in touch with the present'. Hope youwill clear this point by showing the 'eternal'qualities of the same.RegardsBalagopalNARAYANA NARAYANA NARAYANA--- sarojram18 <sarojram18 > wrote:> Panchajanyam Hrishikesah- Lord Krishna sounded> his conch which was > music to His followers but sounded the death knell> to His foes. The > one who played the flute in Brindavan enchanting the> whole world with > His music, blew His conch in Kurukshetra, stunning> the Kaurava forces > into silence.> > > > Panchajanya the conch of the Lord, is> pranavasvarupa, > represents Omkaara, and hence synonymous with> nadhabrahmam, as > pranava, the syllable OM is the source of all sound.> Om ityekaksharam > brahma, Brahman the Absolute Reality synonymous with> syllable OM, > says the sruti. When the Lord touched the face of> the boy Dhruva with > the Panchajanya he became eloquent. Such was the> power of Panchajanya.> > > > At the outset of the Mahabharata war> Lord Krishna blew > His conch in response to the conch blown by Bhishma,> who wanted to > hearten Duryodhana as the latter was a bit jittery> but not enough to > make him see sense. This scene was described to the> blind king > Dhritarashtra by Sanjaya, his charioteer. Sanjaya> had been invested > with a divine vision by the sage Vyasa, which> enabled him to > visualize the battlefield as if on a TV screen> > > > Dhrtarashtra was blind not only> physically but also > psychologically .He was blind to the faults of his> son Duryodhana , > blind to the course of dharma and blind to the power> of Krishna ,the > saviour of the Pandavas. The opening verse of the> Bhagavatgita proves > this. Dhrtarashtra asks Sanjaya “ What did my> people and the > Pandavas do in the field of Kuruksetra, the field of> dharma. †The > term my people, mamakah, shows his partiality > towards his sons. > The qualifying phrase ‘ field of dharma' used by> him to denote the > battlefield clearly indicates his perverted notion> of dharma > implying that it is his son who has the right to> inherit the > kingdom and the war fought in the dharmakshetra > should be > favourable to his son. The price he paid for his> blind love towards > his son Duryodhana was indeed very high , namely> the total > annihilation of the Kuru race.> > The battle of Mahabharata signifies the fight> between the evil > and the good impulses in man that ever goes on> within. The good > impulses are fewer in number like the Pandava army> while the bad > impulses are comparatively greater in number. But> with divine grace > good always triumphs over the wicked. When the mind> is turned towards > God ,man hears the sound of the Panchajanya , which> becomes divine > music that rouses the satvik, noble, quelling the> rajasic dynamic and > tamasic lower impulses.. The power of music in> restraining the animal > passions and evoking finer sentiments in the> listener is due to the > manifestation of divinity through music. The inner> self rises in its > pristine purity above the sense experience to merge> with the divine.> > But to reach that state one has to become aware of> the divinity > within and invoke the Lord , the true self of all> beings. Arjuna > requested Lord Krishna to become his charioteer and> the Lord > consented. Similarly one has to ask for His help to> be saved from > disaster. When He becomes our sarathy as He did for> Arjuna , with > Parthasarathy on our side the victory is ours.> > The Upanishads are the cows whose milk is the> Bhagavatgita , > milked by Lord Krishna for the benefit of> sudheehiThe purpose of the > Lord in accepting the role of the charioteer to> Arjuna was not merely > to secure him victory in the battle. He did so> mainly for the benefit > of mankind , in order to give the Gospel of wisdom ,> ‘ The Song of > the Supreme Self.’, Bhagavatgita. Arjuna was only> a pretext to bring > forth the gift of God to humanity. This is> beautifully expressed in > the sloka ‘sarvopanishado gavo dhogdha gopala> nandhanah ; partho > tvatsah sudhirbhoktha dhugdham gitamruta mahat ,all> the Upanishads > became the cows the one who milked them being the> son of a cowherd, > the calf was Partha and the milk, gitamruta and the> consumers of the > milk were sudheeh the people with right thinking.> who seek the wisdom > of the scriptures .Arjuna was the calf to induce the> cow to give the > milk. > > The act of milking comes naturally to a cowherd.> But this gopala > has put on the costume of a cowherd to delude> others. Vedanta Desika > calls him mithyaagopah , a feigned cowherd. Actually> the term > gopalanandana etymologically could be construed to> mean the Lord , > the word ‘go’ in Sanskrit has several meanings> such as veda earth > etc. The gopala is the one who protects the world> and the Vedas. He > is of the nature of bliss and bestows bliss on those> who revel in > Him. So He is called Gopala nandana.> > > What is the necessity for a separate > treatise ,namely ,Bhagavatgita when the same> knowledge can be had > from the Upanishads directly? To understand the> Upanishads one has to > undergo a rigorous discipline involved in learning> through a guru, > away from the world and that is why this portion of> the vedas are > called aaranyakaa, of the forest. So how can the> ordinary man acquire > the wisdom to enable him to become free from bondage> of karma? For > this purpose Krishna put on the mantle of Jagatguru> out of compassion > and put forth Gita for all to follow. .> ` > Bhagavatgita is the guide book of man in the path of> evolution. The > goal of human life is to realize his true self.> Whichever route a man > takes , materially or spiritually the destination is> the same. The > desire for evolution is instinctive in all creatures> ,as proved by > the Darwin’s theory. Even a man who aspires for> success in his > worldly pursuits will be helped by the study of the> Gita as the > principles underlined therein are applicable in> everyday life. In > fact the management techniques and the psychological> concepts that > have gathered worldwide popularity now , are nothing> but the > principles underlined in the Gita sans the> devotional and spiritual > aspects of it. A musician can evolve into a maestro> , a student can > develop into a scholar , an artist can blossom into> a master , by > assimilating the truths declared by Lord Krishna in> the Gita.> > > > > In order to expound the discourse of the Gita > Lord Krishna > deliberately created a confusion in the mind of> Arjuna === message truncated ===________ India Answers: Share what you know. Learn something newhttp://in.answers./ May god bless you, Dr. Saroja Ramanujam, M.A., Ph.D, Siromani in sanskrit. Want to start your own business? Learn how on Small Business. 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Guest guest Posted November 28, 2006 Report Share Posted November 28, 2006 Radhe Krishna! Very lucid and informative. We should thank Sarojamji for placing such a gem in front of us, especially those who do not have access to other commentaries, and have no means of knowing the meaningsr of the sacred Gita. I am looking for more of this Amrutha-dhara, to flow uninterruptedly. Love KVG. sarojram18 wrote: Panchajanyam Hrishikesah- Lord Krishna sounded his conch which was music to His followers but sounded the death knell to His foes. The one who played the flute in Brindavan enchanting the whole world with His music, blew His conch in Kurukshetra, stunning the Kaurava forces into silence. Panchajanya the conch of the Lord, is pranavasvarupa, represents Omkaara, and hence synonymous with nadhabrahmam, as pranava, the syllable OM is the source of all sound. Om ityekaksharam brahma, Brahman the Absolute Reality synonymous with syllable OM, says the sruti. When the Lord touched the face of the boy Dhruva with the Panchajanya he became eloquent. Such was the power of Panchajanya. At the outset of the Mahabharata war Lord Krishna blew His conch in response to the conch blown by Bhishma, who wanted to hearten Duryodhana as the latter was a bit jittery but not enough to make him see sense. This scene was described to the blind king Dhritarashtra by Sanjaya, his charioteer. Sanjaya had been invested with a divine vision by the sage Vyasa, which enabled him to visualize the battlefield as if on a TV screen Dhrtarashtra was blind not only physically but also psychologically .He was blind to the faults of his son Duryodhana , blind to the course of dharma and blind to the power of Krishna ,the saviour of the Pandavas. The opening verse of the Bhagavatgita proves this. Dhrtarashtra asks Sanjaya “ What did my people and the Pandavas do in the field of Kuruksetra, the field of dharma. †The term my people, mamakah, shows his partiality towards his sons. The qualifying phrase ‘ field of dharma' used by him to denote the battlefield clearly indicates his perverted notion of dharma implying that it is his son who has the right to inherit the kingdom and the war fought in the dharmakshetra should be favourable to his son. The price he paid for his blind love towards his son Duryodhana was indeed very high , namely the total annihilation of the Kuru race. The battle of Mahabharata signifies the fight between the evil and the good impulses in man that ever goes on within. The good impulses are fewer in number like the Pandava army while the bad impulses are comparatively greater in number. But with divine grace good always triumphs over the wicked. When the mind is turned towards God ,man hears the sound of the Panchajanya , which becomes divine music that rouses the satvik, noble, quelling the rajasic dynamic and tamasic lower impulses.. The power of music in restraining the animal passions and evoking finer sentiments in the listener is due to the manifestation of divinity through music. The inner self rises in its pristine purity above the sense experience to merge with the divine. But to reach that state one has to become aware of the divinity within and invoke the Lord , the true self of all beings. Arjuna requested Lord Krishna to become his charioteer and the Lord consented. Similarly one has to ask for His help to be saved from disaster. When He becomes our sarathy as He did for Arjuna , with Parthasarathy on our side the victory is ours. The Upanishads are the cows whose milk is the Bhagavatgita , milked by Lord Krishna for the benefit of sudheehiThe purpose of the Lord in accepting the role of the charioteer to Arjuna was not merely to secure him victory in the battle. He did so mainly for the benefit of mankind , in order to give the Gospel of wisdom , ‘ The Song of the Supreme Self.’, Bhagavatgita. Arjuna was only a pretext to bring forth the gift of God to humanity. This is beautifully expressed in the sloka ‘sarvopanishado gavo dhogdha gopala nandhanah ; partho tvatsah sudhirbhoktha dhugdham gitamruta mahat ,all the Upanishads became the cows the one who milked them being the son of a cowherd, the calf was Partha and the milk, gitamruta and the consumers of the milk were sudheeh the people with right thinking. who seek the wisdom of the scriptures .Arjuna was the calf to induce the cow to give the milk. The act of milking comes naturally to a cowherd. But this gopala has put on the costume of a cowherd to delude others. Vedanta Desika calls him mithyaagopah , a feigned cowherd. Actually the term gopalanandana etymologically could be construed to mean the Lord , the word ‘go’ in Sanskrit has several meanings such as veda earth etc. The gopala is the one who protects the world and the Vedas. He is of the nature of bliss and bestows bliss on those who revel in Him. So He is called Gopala nandana. What is the necessity for a separate treatise ,namely ,Bhagavatgita when the same knowledge can be had from the Upanishads directly? To understand the Upanishads one has to undergo a rigorous discipline involved in learning through a guru, away from the world and that is why this portion of the vedas are called aaranyakaa, of the forest. So how can the ordinary man acquire the wisdom to enable him to become free from bondage of karma? For this purpose Krishna put on the mantle of Jagatguru out of compassion and put forth Gita for all to follow. . ` Bhagavatgita is the guide book of man in the path of evolution. The goal of human life is to realize his true self. Whichever route a man takes , materially or spiritually the destination is the same. The desire for evolution is instinctive in all creatures ,as proved by the Darwin’s theory. Even a man who aspires for success in his worldly pursuits will be helped by the study of the Gita as the principles underlined therein are applicable in everyday life. In fact the management techniques and the psychological concepts that have gathered worldwide popularity now , are nothing but the principles underlined in the Gita sans the devotional and spiritual aspects of it. A musician can evolve into a maestro , a student can develop into a scholar , an artist can blossom into a master , by assimilating the truths declared by Lord Krishna in the Gita. In order to expound the discourse of the Gita Lord Krishna deliberately created a confusion in the mind of Arjuna that made him say “ I will not fight.†The fact that he was going to fight his own kith and kin was already known to him and there is no reason as to why he should develop a guilty conscience for doing so. It was the divine will that made him act so. Arjuna’s state of mind can be compared to that of anyone who stands at the brink of the greatest moment of his life. It may be the first lecture of a speaker or the first important examination of a student or the first interview or even the eve of one’s marriage ! It is natural that one feels apprehensive at such a moment, not necessarily because of fear but due to anxiety over the outcome of his venture. Success will crown only the man who is calm and relaxed , with no anxiety about the result. This can be achieved only through the wisdom of the Gita. When Arjuna asked Krishna to move his chariot between the array of the two armies Krishna deliberately drove to the place where Bhishma and Drona were standing and not where Duryodhana was with his brothers, as Arjuna expected. If it were so, Arjuna would have had no hesitation to fight. But facing his elders he realized that to win the battle he had to fight against his revered guru and beloved grandfather. This upset him. Not being able to face this unavoidable situation he resorted to escapism saying that he had no heart to kill his own kith and kin. He reeled out arguments seemingly valid to support his decision all of which Krishna totally dismisses later as being irrelevent.He pointed out to Krishna the futility of winning the war after destroying one’s own relatives. He said that he did not want to enjoy even the kingdom of heaven by doing so, leave alone enjoying the kingdom on earth. He elaborated on the evil effects of destroying the family like destruction of tradition , virtue. As a result, the one who was instrumental for doing so would go to hell. Arjuna ends his discourse by saying that he will not fight. He seemed to have been so overwhelmed by pity and sorrow that he said gandeevam sramsathe hasthaath. .His great bow slipped from his hand and he was covered with sweat all over. Such was the condition of the great hero not out of fear but due to misplaced compassion and anxiety at the crucial moment of his life. .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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