[Guruvayur/Guruvayoor] More Opinions Please

November 27, 2006

Dear Devotees,

Thank you to all of you responded and expressed their opinion.

But, I would like to hear from more members. Please do not feel that

your reply has to be 'politically correct' along with other member's

view point.

We are getting bigger as a group and we have people with varied

interests, backgrounds and opinion. Five people wrote to me personaly

about the reasoning behind some of the recent mails being published.

Some really liked those motivational mails - like the ones our

Sridharji has contributed. Some questioned and objected about not

getting carried away from anything other than pure bhakti messages.

And there is no confusion at my side regarding Ramanji's mail or the

subjects we needs to be included in the group. BUT, it is an open

forum of devotees and YOUR opinions are more important than mine.

So, we need to hear from all of you. I welcome your frank opinion and

I would like all your replies to the group rather than to me. Please.

Let us hear from all members.

Om Namo Narayanaya:

Sunil.

guruvayur , " sreedhar c.p " <sreepal20 wrote:

>

> Hare Krishna,

>

> When considering the Majority Decision we can avoid Non-Bhakthi

topics. More to focuss on spritual topics. As it is clear now.

>

> With Love,

> Sree

>

> Saroja Ramanujam <sarojram18

> guruvayur

> Sunday, 26 November, 2006 9:45:28 AM

> Re: [Guruvayur/Guruvayoor] KHUSH RAHO-That's right, like

the Lion King son

>

> There are so many groups that cater for the tastes of yoingsters and

just by publishing non -bhakthi topics you cannot attract them to the

group.If this sort of literature becomes very frequent it will only

turn the existing members away from the group. The other topics are

thirteen to the dozen and available everywhere and it is difficult to

find spiritual topics which are made easily available to all . It is

like classical music. If you want a larger crowd you have to entice

them by improving the quality and not by diluting it. You have to pull

them to your level and should not degrade yourself to their level. If

one is not able to find what he wants in ine group he can always

switch to other group but the group cannot be tailored to meet his

needs.Moreover bhakthi cannot be induced by the methods like dangling

carrots in front of a horse.It should come by the grace of God. You

can to create faith among youngsters not by writng what they like but

writing what

> theyneed.Honestly I don't think that any youngster will join the

group unless he has faith and bhakthi. To him you have to give what he

looks for and not what he has already familiar with.About people who

talk about bhakthi but not act accordingly is a concern between them

and God. All the spritual books and gurus have said that if you want

spiritual progress satsanga is very important and also that the other

topics and activities which take you away from your goal must be

reduced if not avoided.The attitude should be to aim high and not look

down. A kite flies high but always looking down to see whether there

is any flesh for it to eat. The legendary chathaka bird looks up and

drinks only rain water and woul dnot accept any other. It is for the

mambers to decide whether they want to be chathakas or ordinary kites.

> Saroja Ramanujam

>

> Hare rishna,

>

> The varied subjects all concerned day today happening on in our life

and it is said on different ways. In this life, we are playing on

different rolls, which we need to be act well. If we think for

sometime difficult subjects, we can take easily with simple examples.

Which are having lot of meaning? Ultimately, our goals are leads

surrendering to God.

> The Bagavatham and other Epics teaches the core meaning of life and

the system and it is very important to learn and understand on in our

life. Our Group is consisting of Diff age Group may be smaller age

group may not be digesting with out the help of Proper Guru (to

understand the actual meaning of the same).

> If our actions, words, and deeds are good that it shows a real

Bhakthi. I have seen personally peoples will talk about Bhakthi and

God e.t.c but what their actions is very wrong.

> Of course, our main thing is Bakthi and surrendering to

Guruvayoorappan. Krishna also plays varied rolls and these rolls he

conveyed good message. What we need to learn from that?

> So I suggest we need to bring smaller age also in to our group.

Slowly they will learn the real Bakthi through the forum discussion.

Therefore, the varied subject, which is very meaningful in life, help

them also and slowly they are too learning & growing with higher

degree of the Bhakthi.

> Pl Pardon me it is just my thought conveyed.

>

> With Love,

> Sree

>

> K.V Gopalakrishna <gopalakrishna. kv (AT) gmail (DOT) com>

> guruvayur@grou ps.com

> Saturday, 25 November, 2006 11:40:52 AM

> Re: [Guruvayur/Guruvayo or] KHUSH RAHO-That¢s right, like

the Lion King son

>

> Sunil,

> Radh Krishna!

> I think there is some confusion about understanding Sri. Ganapathy

Raman's mail. I think what he has written is that diversions from

" Bhakti " are required for a change, like one takes a lick on the

pungent pickle while drinking sweet Pal Payasam.

>

> But by allowing diversions, we should ensure that we dont stray too

far away forgetting our Guruvayoorappan and concentrating on mundane

issues, which are in plenty, and which are burning issues of the day.

My personal opinion is that we should not diverge into other

topics, but stay focusing our minds on the Lord.

>

> Love

> KVG

>

> Sunil Menon wrote:

> Dear Ramanji and other members wrote to me recently,

>

> Yes, we do have to think twice before we publish some messages .

> However, considering we have people with various backgrounds from

> different places, anything that helps to improve our day is welcome.

> Although, it has to be liked by majority of our members. If members

> like you express that we are diverting too much from Bhakti, then we

> can suggest devotees to reduce non Bhakti emails.

>

> Now that being said, I am not sure many people in this group

> understand Hindi though.

>

> I would like all of you to speak up your opinion about topics you like

> and the ones you don't. That way it is easy for all of us know what

> you like and what you don't. Please do not send personal mails to me,

> because that way only I will know but not others. Please send it to

> the whole group, if possible.

>

> Personally, I condemn two kinds of mails, first - religious or caste

> propaganda and second - fight among member devotees and factions.

> Please remember that we are one big family and all of you are welcome

> to comment upon topics and emails.

>

> After all it is a forum of devotee members and members decide what you

> like to see here.

>

> Om Namo Narayanaya;

>

> Sunil.

>

> guruvayur@grou ps.com, GANAPATHY RAMAN <agraman62@ ..>

wrote:

> >

> > Nice presentations. I must thank Sunil that he is so magnanimous that

> the Members are allowed other things instead of confining to

> Gita,Bhagavatam and other things.So in future we can expect more and

> more of subjects other than

> > already discussed Gita and other scriptures.Well done Balagopal

> and Sreedhar.

> > Change is a part of life and more such new things shuld find a

> place instead of

> > writing only abt Bhakthy.

> >

> > agraman.

> >

> > balagopal ramakrishnan <rbalpal@ > wrote:

> > HARI AUM

> >

> > Here is Bobby McFerrin's popular 'don't worry be

> > happy..'

> > Read and Enjoyyyyyyyyyy. Be Happy Don't Worry...

> >

> > Regards

> >

> > Balagopal

> >

> > NARAYANA NARAYANA NARAYANA

> >

> > At the 1988 Grammy Awards, " Don't Worry Be Happy " won

> > 'Best Song of the Year',

> > From the Movie " Cocktails "

> > Performed by Bobby McFerrin

> >

> > Don't Worry, Be Happy Lyrics

> >

> > Here is a little song I wrote

> > You might want to sing it note for note

> > Don't worry be happy

> > In every life we have some trouble

> > When you worry you make it double

> > Don't worry, be happy......

> >

> > Ain't got no place to lay your head

> > Somebody came and took your bed

> > Don't worry, be happy

> > The land lord say your rent is late

> > He may have to litigate

> > Don't worry, be happy

> > Look at me I am happy

> > Don't worry, be happy

> > Here I give you my phone number

> > When you worry call me

> > I make you happy

> > Don't worry, be happy

> > Ain't got no cash, ain't got no style

> > Ain't got not girl to make you smile

> > But don't worry be happy

> > Cause when you worry

> > Your face will frown

> > And that will bring everybody down

> > So don't worry, be happy (now).....

> >

> > There is this little song I wrote

> > I hope you learn it note for note

> > Like good little children

> > Don't worry, be happy

> > Listen to what I say

> > In your life expect some trouble

> > But when you worry

> > You make it double

> > Don't worry, be happy......

> > Don't worry don't do it, be happy

> > Put a smile on your face

> > Don't bring everybody down like this

> > Don't worry, it will soon past

> > Whatever it is

> > Don't worry, be happy

> >

> > ------------ --------- ---

> >

> > --- " sreedhar c.p " <sreepal20@ ..> wrote:

> >

> > > Hare Krishna,

> > >

> > > KHUSH RAHO

> > >

> > > Zindagi hai choti , har pal mein khush raho?

> > >

> > > Office me khush reho, ghar mein khush raho..

> > >

> > > Aaj paneer nahi hai, dal mein hi khush raho,

> > >

> > > Aaj gym jane ka samay nahi, do kadam chal ke he

> > > khush raho..

> > >

> > > Aaj Dosto ka sath nahi, TV dekh ke hi khush raho..

> > >

> > > Ghar ja nahi sakte to phone kar ke hi khush raho?

> > >

> > > Aaj koi naraaz hai, uske iss andaz mein bhi khush

> > > raho..

> > >

> > > Jisse dekh nahi sakte uski awaz mein hi khush raho?

> > >

> > > Jisse paa nahi sakte uske yaad mein he khush raho

> > >

> > > MBA karne ka socha tha, S/W mein he khush raho?

> > >

> > > Laptop na mila to kya, Desktop mein hi khush raho..

> > >

> > > bita hua kal ja chuka hai, usse meeti yaadein

> > > hai,unme he khush raho..

> > >

> > > aane wale pal ka pata nahi..sapno mein he khush

> > > raho..

> > >

> > > Haste haste ye pal bitaenge, aaj mein he

> > >

> > > With Love,

> > > Sree

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November 27, 2006

Hari OM!

Dear Sunil all our dear members.

This is only my view point... people can differ.

Since this groups name is Guruvayurappan, other than Bhakthi and Jnana knowledga and events related to it.

or all Hindu scriptures. recent events related to Guruvayur and upcoming events of spiriutal interest.. no jerry , tommy, Harry stories should be published here. which injects other religions without our knowledge and our Religion is one of the best in the world we all should be pride to be in that...

This is only personal opinion. More articles about Gurupavanapuresan.. if want to discuss some other things we can start another group with same members! not here.

With Love & OM!

Hare Guruvayurappa.

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November 27, 2006

Its better if we concentrate only on Spritual topics, as there are many other groups for other related issues. Hare Krishna.. Dr Damodaran, PNSunil Menon <menon_sunil wrote: Dear Devotees,Thank you to all of you responded and expressed their opinion.But, I would like to hear from more members. Please do not feel thatyour reply has to be 'politically correct' along with other member'sview point.

We are getting bigger as a group and we have people with variedinterests, backgrounds and opinion. Five people wrote to me personalyabout the reasoning behind some of the recent mails being published.Some really liked those motivational mails - like the ones ourSridharji has contributed. Some questioned and objected about notgetting carried away from anything other than pure bhakti messages. And there is no confusion at my side regarding Ramanji's mail or thesubjects we needs to be included in the group. BUT, it is an openforum of devotees and YOUR opinions are more important than mine. So, we need to hear from all of you. I welcome your frank opinion andI would like all your replies to the group rather than to me. Please.Let us hear from all members.Om Namo Narayanaya:Sunil.guruvayur , "sreedhar c.p"

<sreepal20 wrote:>> Hare Krishna,> > When considering the Majority Decision we can avoid Non-Bhakthitopics. More to focuss on spritual topics. As it is clear now.> > With Love,> Sree> > > > Saroja Ramanujam <sarojram18> guruvayur > Sunday, 26 November, 2006 9:45:28 AM> Re: [Guruvayur/Guruvayoor] KHUSH RAHO-That's right, likethe Lion King son> > There are so many groups that cater for the tastes of yoingsters andjust by publishing non -bhakthi topics you cannot attract them to thegroup.If this sort of literature becomes very frequent it will onlyturn the existing members away from the group. The other topics arethirteen to the dozen and available everywhere and it is difficult

tofind spiritual topics which are made easily available to all . It islike classical music. If you want a larger crowd you have to enticethem by improving the quality and not by diluting it. You have to pullthem to your level and should not degrade yourself to their level. Ifone is not able to find what he wants in ine group he can alwaysswitch to other group but the group cannot be tailored to meet hisneeds.Moreover bhakthi cannot be induced by the methods like danglingcarrots in front of a horse.It should come by the grace of God. Youcan to create faith among youngsters not by writng what they like butwriting what> theyneed.Honestly I don't think that any youngster will join thegroup unless he has faith and bhakthi. To him you have to give what helooks for and not what he has already familiar with.About people whotalk about bhakthi but not act accordingly is a concern between themand God. All the spritual

books and gurus have said that if you wantspiritual progress satsanga is very important and also that the othertopics and activities which take you away from your goal must bereduced if not avoided.The attitude should be to aim high and not lookdown. A kite flies high but always looking down to see whether thereis any flesh for it to eat. The legendary chathaka bird looks up anddrinks only rain water and woul dnot accept any other. It is for themambers to decide whether they want to be chathakas or ordinary kites.> Saroja Ramanujam> > > Hare rishna,> > The varied subjects all concerned day today happening on in our lifeand it is said on different ways. In this life, we are playing ondifferent rolls, which we need to be act well. If we think forsometime difficult subjects, we can take easily with simple examples.Which are having lot of meaning? Ultimately, our goals are

leadssurrendering to God.> The Bagavatham and other Epics teaches the core meaning of life andthe system and it is very important to learn and understand on in ourlife. Our Group is consisting of Diff age Group may be smaller agegroup may not be digesting with out the help of Proper Guru (tounderstand the actual meaning of the same). > If our actions, words, and deeds are good that it shows a realBhakthi. I have seen personally peoples will talk about Bhakthi andGod e.t.c but what their actions is very wrong.> Of course, our main thing is Bakthi and surrendering toGuruvayoorappan. Krishna also plays varied rolls and these rolls heconveyed good message. What we need to learn from that?> So I suggest we need to bring smaller age also in to our group.Slowly they will learn the real Bakthi through the forum discussion.Therefore, the varied subject, which is very meaningful in life, helpthem also and

slowly they are too learning & growing with higherdegree of the Bhakthi.> Pl Pardon me it is just my thought conveyed.> > > With Love,> Sree > > > > > K.V Gopalakrishna <gopalakrishna. kv (AT) gmail (DOT) com>> guruvayur@grou ps.com> Saturday, 25 November, 2006 11:40:52 AM> Re: [Guruvayur/Guruvayo or] KHUSH RAHO-That¢s right, likethe Lion King son> > > Sunil,> Radh Krishna!> I think there is some confusion about understanding Sri. GanapathyRaman's mail. I think what he has written is that diversions from"Bhakti" are required for a change, like one takes a lick on thepungent pickle while drinking sweet Pal Payasam. > > But by allowing diversions, we should ensure that we dont stray toofar away forgetting our Guruvayoorappan and concentrating on

mundaneissues, which are in plenty, and which are burning issues of the day.My personal opinion is that we should not diverge into othertopics, but stay focusing our minds on the Lord.> > Love> KVG> > > > Sunil Menon wrote: > Dear Ramanji and other members wrote to me recently,> > Yes, we do have to think twice before we publish some messages .> However, considering we have people with various backgrounds from> different places, anything that helps to improve our day is welcome.> Although, it has to be liked by majority of our members. If members> like you express that we are diverting too much from Bhakti, then we> can suggest devotees to reduce non Bhakti emails.> > Now that being said, I am not sure many people in this group> understand Hindi though.> > I would like all of you to speak up your opinion about topics you

like> and the ones you don't. That way it is easy for all of us know what> you like and what you don't. Please do not send personal mails to me,> because that way only I will know but not others. Please send it to> the whole group, if possible.> > Personally, I condemn two kinds of mails, first - religious or caste> propaganda and second - fight among member devotees and factions.> Please remember that we are one big family and all of you are welcome> to comment upon topics and emails.> > After all it is a forum of devotee members and members decide what you> like to see here. > > Om Namo Narayanaya;> > Sunil.> > guruvayur@grou ps.com, GANAPATHY RAMAN <agraman62@ ..>wrote:> >> > Nice presentations. I must thank Sunil that he is so magnanimous that> the Members are allowed other things instead of

confining to> Gita,Bhagavatam and other things.So in future we can expect more and> more of subjects other than > > already discussed Gita and other scriptures.Well done Balagopal> and Sreedhar.> > Change is a part of life and more such new things shuld find a> place instead of > > writing only abt Bhakthy.> > > > agraman.> > > > balagopal ramakrishnan <rbalpal@ > wrote:> > HARI AUM> > > > Here is Bobby McFerrin's popular 'don't worry be> > happy..'> > Read and Enjoyyyyyyyyyy. Be Happy Don't Worry...> > > > Regards> > > > Balagopal> > > > NARAYANA NARAYANA NARAYANA> > > > At the 1988 Grammy Awards, "Don't Worry Be Happy" won> > 'Best Song of the Year', > > From the Movie "Cocktails" > > Performed by Bobby McFerrin

> > > > Don't Worry, Be Happy Lyrics> > > > Here is a little song I wrote > > You might want to sing it note for note > > Don't worry be happy > > In every life we have some trouble > > When you worry you make it double > > Don't worry, be happy...... > > > > Ain't got no place to lay your head > > Somebody came and took your bed > > Don't worry, be happy > > The land lord say your rent is late > > He may have to litigate > > Don't worry, be happy > > Look at me I am happy > > Don't worry, be happy > > Here I give you my phone number > > When you worry call me > > I make you happy > > Don't worry, be happy > > Ain't got no cash, ain't got no style > > Ain't got not girl to make you smile > > But don't worry be happy >

> Cause when you worry > > Your face will frown > > And that will bring everybody down > > So don't worry, be happy (now)..... > > > > There is this little song I wrote > > I hope you learn it note for note > > Like good little children > > Don't worry, be happy > > Listen to what I say > > In your life expect some trouble > > But when you worry > > You make it double > > Don't worry, be happy...... > > Don't worry don't do it, be happy > > Put a smile on your face > > Don't bring everybody down like this > > Don't worry, it will soon past > > Whatever it is > > Don't worry, be happy > > > > ------------ --------- ---> > > > > > --- "sreedhar c.p" <sreepal20@ ..> wrote:> > > > > Hare Krishna,> >

> > > > KHUSH RAHO> > > > > > Zindagi hai choti , har pal mein khush raho? > > > > > > Office me khush reho, ghar mein khush raho.. > > > > > > Aaj paneer nahi hai, dal mein hi khush raho, > > > > > > Aaj gym jane ka samay nahi, do kadam chal ke he> > > khush raho.. > > > > > > Aaj Dosto ka sath nahi, TV dekh ke hi khush raho.. > > > > > > > > > Ghar ja nahi sakte to phone kar ke hi khush raho? > > > > > > Aaj koi naraaz hai, uske iss andaz mein bhi khush> > > raho.. > > > > > > Jisse dekh nahi sakte uski awaz mein hi khush raho? > > > > > > > > > Jisse paa nahi sakte uske yaad mein he khush raho > > > > > > MBA karne ka socha tha, S/W mein

he khush raho? > > > > > > Laptop na mila to kya, Desktop mein hi khush raho.. > > > > > > > > > bita hua kal ja chuka hai, usse meeti yaadein> > > hai,unme he khush raho.. > > > > > > aane wale pal ka pata nahi..sapno mein he khush> > > raho.. > > > > > > Haste haste ye pal bitaenge, aaj mein he> > > > > > > > > With Love,> > > Sree> > > > > > Send instant messages to your online friends> > > http://uk.messenger . > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _> > India Answers: Share what you know. Learn something new> > http://in.answers. /> > > >

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November 27, 2006

Om Namo Narayanaya. I agree with members that some kind of variety in the mails is good and will keep the interests of all age groups alive. But I also think that being "open" to recieve different kinds of emails brings in a lot of subjectivity. From what I have seen, other than bhakti mails we also get 1) motivational mails, like the ones Sridharji sends, 2) useful, inspiring quotations (sometimes) 3) messages with a moral or reminders: respect your parents, show your love to family and friends, be kind, do good, etc. 4) although rarely, but we have even received emails that says that forward this to 10 people and your wish will be fulfilled; those are the ones I really dislike. My best friend once wrote back saying she wanted to beat me up :-) does strain the friendship 5) then the ones that talk about how Hindusim is in danger and we need to protect it, or worse, how Muslims are to blame for all our problems or how every mosque

has been built on a temple. To those mails, I really want to say, if you can become a better Hindu, it would probably do Hinduism more good. I just saw 'Lage raho Munnabhai' and loved the movie. Should I share the story with members and say that it is okay because I am sharing a story about Gandhiji and his principles? Now who is to decide which ones of the above are more or less important? Too much headache for the moderators, I think. The person who sends in each of the above type of mail may sincerely believe that it is for the entertainment or education of the group or else he/she would not be sending it. But that does not mean that it does the members any good except for spending some more time away from work, reading mails that have nothing to do with Guruvayurappan. I personally agree with Sarojamji and KVGji: LET US KEEP THE GROUP SIMPLE IN SPIRIT AND WITH ONLY ONE MOTIVE, DEVOTION TO LORD GURUVAYURAPPAN. 10

minutes spend in reading His story or poem or something that increases my love for Him is better than 100 mins spent on motivational emails and powerpoints and good luck charms. We all need to be reminded again and again and yet again, human life is to know God, love Him and do His work. I am sure every member in this group has another email id or receives emails from people who are non-Guruvayur group members. All the miscellanous entertaining mails can come from those sources. If someone wants a diversion from Bhagavatham and Geeta, they can always read stories on Him and share with members. Hindu mythology is full of legends, and not every person knows every story. Interested members can dig deep and come up with these to keep members' attention engaged. Every state has its own share of saints and devotional tales. Why not spend time sharing those? As for age being a criteria, I think some of the regular (or at least one time regular) contributors of

this group who have been members for 1-2 years are in the age range 25-35 years. Older members were few, and if they were more they have remained silent. Now, by God's grace, the group includes older ages, members who are willingly sharing their fountain of knowledge with us. So I don't think we are excluding anyone by restricting ourselves to bhakthi. KrishnaPrasadji recently brought up the idea of studying Sanskrit. I'll be delighted to back that request. If anyone in the group thinks that he/she has enough knowledge and more important, the time, to share Sanskrit basics, members like me and KPji would be very grateful. Bhakti groups such as ours should survive on the basis of bhakti topics, and not because there are topics catering to the senses. As Sarojam ji rightly said, there are other forums that will provide that entertainment. If the group survives inspite of being focused on 'bhakti' alone then that would be the true

test of the group. Let us give bhakti a chance before making way for the secondary pleasures. By writing this email, I do not intend to hurt anyone. I will be the first to admit that I have enjoyed the motivational emails as much as I have enjoyed the anecdotes on our Guruvayurappan or his glories. But if it is a question of deciding the priorities of the group, I have tried to provide my perspective. If I have offended anyone, my apologies. God bless us all. Pranams. Veena.Sunil Menon <menon_sunil wrote: Dear Devotees, Thank you to all of you responded and expressed their opinion. But, I would like to hear from more members. Please do not feel that your reply has to be 'politically correct' along with other member's view point. We are getting bigger as a group and we have people with varied interests, backgrounds and opinion. Five people wrote to me personaly about the reasoning behind some of the recent mails being published. Some really liked those motivational mails - like the ones our Sridharji has contributed. Some questioned and objected about not getting carried away from anything other than pure bhakti messages. And there is no confusion at my side regarding Ramanji's mail or the subjects we needs to be included in the group. BUT, it is an open forum of devotees and YOUR opinions are more important than mine. So, we need to hear

from all of you. I welcome your frank opinion and I would like all your replies to the group rather than to me. Please. Let us hear from all members. Om Namo Narayanaya: Sunil. guruvayur , "sreedhar c.p" <sreepal20 wrote: > > Hare Krishna, > > When considering the Majority Decision we can avoid Non-Bhakthi topics. More to focuss on spritual topics. As it is clear now. > > With Love, > Sree > > > > Saroja Ramanujam <sarojram18 > guruvayur > Sunday, 26 November, 2006 9:45:28 AM > Re: [Guruvayur/Guruvayoor] KHUSH RAHO-That's right, like the Lion King son > > There are so many groups that cater for the tastes of yoingsters and just by publishing non -bhakthi topics you cannot attract them to the group.If this sort of literature becomes very frequent it will only turn the existing members away from the group. The other topics are thirteen to the dozen and available everywhere and it is difficult to find spiritual topics which are made easily available to all . It is like classical music. If you want a larger crowd you have to entice them by improving the quality and not by diluting it. You have to pull them to your level and should not degrade yourself to their level. If one is not able to find what he wants in ine group he can always switch to other group but the group cannot be tailored to meet his needs.Moreover bhakthi cannot be induced by the methods like dangling carrots in front of a horse.It should come by the grace of God. You can to create faith

among youngsters not by writng what they like but writing what > theyneed.Honestly I don't think that any youngster will join the group unless he has faith and bhakthi. To him you have to give what he looks for and not what he has already familiar with.About people who talk about bhakthi but not act accordingly is a concern between them and God. All the spritual books and gurus have said that if you want spiritual progress satsanga is very important and also that the other topics and activities which take you away from your goal must be reduced if not avoided.The attitude should be to aim high and not look down. A kite flies high but always looking down to see whether there is any flesh for it to eat. The legendary chathaka bird looks up and drinks only rain water and woul dnot accept any other. It is for the mambers to decide whether they want to be chathakas or ordinary kites. > Saroja

Ramanujam > > > Hare rishna, > > The varied subjects all concerned day today happening on in our life and it is said on different ways. In this life, we are playing on different rolls, which we need to be act well. If we think for sometime difficult subjects, we can take easily with simple examples. Which are having lot of meaning? Ultimately, our goals are leads surrendering to God. > The Bagavatham and other Epics teaches the core meaning of life and the system and it is very important to learn and understand on in our life. Our Group is consisting of Diff age Group may be smaller age group may not be digesting with out the help of Proper Guru (to understand the actual meaning of the same). > If our actions, words, and deeds are good that it shows a real Bhakthi. I have seen personally peoples will talk about Bhakthi and God e.t.c but what their actions is

very wrong. > Of course, our main thing is Bakthi and surrendering to Guruvayoorappan. Krishna also plays varied rolls and these rolls he conveyed good message. What we need to learn from that? > So I suggest we need to bring smaller age also in to our group. Slowly they will learn the real Bakthi through the forum discussion. Therefore, the varied subject, which is very meaningful in life, help them also and slowly they are too learning & growing with higher degree of the Bhakthi. > Pl Pardon me it is just my thought conveyed. > > > With Love, > Sree > > > > > K.V Gopalakrishna <gopalakrishna. kv (AT) gmail (DOT) com> > guruvayur@grou ps.com > Saturday, 25 November, 2006 11:40:52 AM > Re: [Guruvayur/Guruvayo or] KHUSH RAHO-That¢s right, like the Lion King

son > > > Sunil, > Radh Krishna! > I think there is some confusion about understanding Sri. Ganapathy Raman's mail. I think what he has written is that diversions from "Bhakti" are required for a change, like one takes a lick on the pungent pickle while drinking sweet Pal Payasam. > > But by allowing diversions, we should ensure that we dont stray too far away forgetting our Guruvayoorappan and concentrating on mundane issues, which are in plenty, and which are burning issues of the day. My personal opinion is that we should not diverge into other topics, but stay focusing our minds on the Lord. > > Love > KVG > > > > Sunil Menon wrote: > Dear Ramanji and other members wrote to me recently, > > Yes, we do have to think twice before we publish some messages . > However,

considering we have people with various backgrounds from > different places, anything that helps to improve our day is welcome. > Although, it has to be liked by majority of our members. If members > like you express that we are diverting too much from Bhakti, then we > can suggest devotees to reduce non Bhakti emails. > > Now that being said, I am not sure many people in this group > understand Hindi though. > > I would like all of you to speak up your opinion about topics you like > and the ones you don't. That way it is easy for all of us know what > you like and what you don't. Please do not send personal mails to me, > because that way only I will know but not others. Please send it to > the whole group, if possible. > > Personally, I condemn two kinds of mails, first - religious or caste > propaganda and second - fight among member

devotees and factions. > Please remember that we are one big family and all of you are welcome > to comment upon topics and emails. > > After all it is a forum of devotee members and members decide what you > like to see here. > > Om Namo Narayanaya; > > Sunil. > > guruvayur@grou ps.com, GANAPATHY RAMAN <agraman62@ ..> wrote: > > > > Nice presentations. I must thank Sunil that he is so magnanimous that > the Members are allowed other things instead of confining to > Gita,Bhagavatam and other things.So in future we can expect more and > more of subjects other than > > already discussed Gita and other scriptures.Well done Balagopal > and Sreedhar. > > Change is a part of life and more such new things shuld find a > place instead of > > writing only abt Bhakthy. > > > > agraman. > > > > balagopal ramakrishnan <rbalpal@ > wrote: > > HARI AUM > > > > Here is Bobby McFerrin's popular 'don't worry be > > happy..' > > Read and Enjoyyyyyyyyyy. Be Happy Don't Worry... > > > > Regards > > > > Balagopal > > > > NARAYANA NARAYANA NARAYANA > > > > At the 1988 Grammy Awards, "Don't Worry Be Happy" won > > 'Best Song of the Year', > > From the Movie "Cocktails" > > Performed by Bobby McFerrin > > > > Don't Worry, Be Happy Lyrics > > > > Here is a little song I wrote > > You might want to sing it note for note > > Don't worry be happy > > In every life we have some trouble > > When you worry you make it double > >

Don't worry, be happy...... > > > > Ain't got no place to lay your head > > Somebody came and took your bed > > Don't worry, be happy > > The land lord say your rent is late > > He may have to litigate > > Don't worry, be happy > > Look at me I am happy > > Don't worry, be happy > > Here I give you my phone number > > When you worry call me > > I make you happy > > Don't worry, be happy > > Ain't got no cash, ain't got no style > > Ain't got not girl to make you smile > > But don't worry be happy > > Cause when you worry > > Your face will frown > > And that will bring everybody down > > So don't worry, be happy (now)..... > > > > There is this little song I wrote > > I hope you learn it note for note

> > Like good little children > > Don't worry, be happy > > Listen to what I say > > In your life expect some trouble > > But when you worry > > You make it double > > Don't worry, be happy...... > > Don't worry don't do it, be happy > > Put a smile on your face > > Don't bring everybody down like this > > Don't worry, it will soon past > > Whatever it is > > Don't worry, be happy > > > > ------------ --------- --- > > > > > > --- "sreedhar c.p" <sreepal20@ ..> wrote: > > > > > Hare Krishna, > > > > > > KHUSH RAHO > > > > > > Zindagi hai choti , har pal mein khush raho? > > > > > > Office me khush reho, ghar mein khush raho.. > > > > > > Aaj paneer nahi hai, dal mein hi khush raho, > > > > > > Aaj gym jane ka samay nahi, do kadam chal ke he > > > khush raho.. > > > > > > Aaj Dosto ka sath nahi, TV dekh ke hi khush raho.. > > > > > > > > > Ghar ja nahi sakte to phone kar ke hi khush raho? > > > > > > Aaj koi naraaz hai, uske iss andaz mein bhi khush > > > raho.. > > > > > > Jisse dekh nahi sakte uski awaz mein hi khush raho? > > > > > > > > > Jisse paa nahi sakte uske yaad mein he khush raho > > > > > > MBA karne ka socha tha, S/W mein he khush raho? > > > > > > Laptop na mila to kya, Desktop mein hi khush raho.. > > > > > > > > > bita

hua kal ja chuka hai, usse meeti yaadein > > > hai,unme he khush raho.. > > > > > > aane wale pal ka pata nahi..sapno mein he khush > > > raho.. > > > > > > Haste haste ye pal bitaenge, aaj mein he > > > > > > > > > With Love, > > > Sree > > > > > > Send instant messages to your online friends > > > http://uk.messenger . > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _ > > India Answers: Share what you know. Learn something new > > http://in.answers. / > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --- > >

Find out what India is talking about on - Answers India > > Send FREE SMS to your friend's mobile from Messenger Version > 8. Get it NOW > > > > > > > > > > > > Now you can scan emails quickly with a reading pane. Get the new Mail. > > > > > May god bless you, > > Dr. Saroja Ramanujam, M.A., Ph.D, Siromani in sanskrit. > > > > Everyone is raving about the all-new Mail beta. > > > Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger. >

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Jai Sreekrishna Dear all Personally speaking, I have nothing against publishing articles related to subjects other than Bhakti once in a while. But then such articles should be educative and should not lead to any kind of hot arguments among the members. However, we must not forget that the main aim of this forum is to discuss the glories of our Kannan and we must stick to the same. Shri Sreedharji quite often send very educative articles to mention one or two, "your attitude can do wonders", "save Mother Earth" etc. I welcome such articles. The poem he furnished also highlight an advise i.e,. BE HAPPY WITH WHAT WE HAVE" As for me, if some articles are

not to my taste, I just ignore them. After all everyone has the freedom to accept or reject I also agree with our respected Sarojaji that there are many groups that cater to the interest of youngsters and by publishing non bhkati topics no one can attract them to this group and that no youngsters will take interest in this Group unless and until he/she has a mind inclined to Lord and HIS Bhakti. This attitude one has to develop with Sravanam, Keertanam and Satsang and for developing this the atmosphere at house plays a very important role. A child growing up in an atmosphere, where the parents are spiritually minded, shall develop such attitudes and shall take interest in gorups like this. So let us concentrate mainly on topics meant for this group Pardon me if I am wrong Humbly Syamala Sunil Menon <menon_sunil wrote: Dear Devotees,Thank you to all of you responded and expressed their opinion.But, I would like to hear from more members. Please do not feel thatyour reply has to be 'politically correct' along with other member'sview point. We are getting bigger as a group and we have people with variedinterests, backgrounds and opinion. Five people wrote to me personalyabout the reasoning

behind some of the recent mails being published.Some really liked those motivational mails - like the ones ourSridharji has contributed. Some questioned and objected about notgetting carried away from anything other than pure bhakti messages. And there is no confusion at my side regarding Ramanji's mail or thesubjects we needs to be included in the group. BUT, it is an openforum of devotees and YOUR opinions are more important than mine. So, we need to hear from all of you. I welcome your frank opinion andI would like all your replies to the group rather than to me. Please.Let us hear from all members.Om Namo Narayanaya:Sunil.guruvayur , "sreedhar c.p" <sreepal20 wrote:>> Hare Krishna,> > When considering the Majority Decision we can avoid Non-Bhakthitopics. More to focuss on

spritual topics. As it is clear now.> > With Love,> Sree> > > > Saroja Ramanujam <sarojram18> guruvayur > Sunday, 26 November, 2006 9:45:28 AM> Re: [Guruvayur/Guruvayoor] KHUSH RAHO-That's right, likethe Lion King son> > There are so many groups that cater for the tastes of yoingsters andjust by publishing non -bhakthi topics you cannot attract them to thegroup.If this sort of literature becomes very frequent it will onlyturn the existing members away from the group. The other topics arethirteen to the dozen and available everywhere and it is difficult tofind spiritual topics which are made easily available to all . It islike classical music. If you want a larger crowd you have to enticethem by improving the quality and

not by diluting it. You have to pullthem to your level and should not degrade yourself to their level. Ifone is not able to find what he wants in ine group he can alwaysswitch to other group but the group cannot be tailored to meet hisneeds.Moreover bhakthi cannot be induced by the methods like danglingcarrots in front of a horse.It should come by the grace of God. Youcan to create faith among youngsters not by writng what they like butwriting what> theyneed.Honestly I don't think that any youngster will join thegroup unless he has faith and bhakthi. To him you have to give what helooks for and not what he has already familiar with.About people whotalk about bhakthi but not act accordingly is a concern between themand God. All the spritual books and gurus have said that if you wantspiritual progress satsanga is very important and also that the othertopics and activities which take you away from your goal must

bereduced if not avoided.The attitude should be to aim high and not lookdown. A kite flies high but always looking down to see whether thereis any flesh for it to eat. The legendary chathaka bird looks up anddrinks only rain water and woul dnot accept any other. It is for themambers to decide whether they want to be chathakas or ordinary kites.> Saroja Ramanujam> > > Hare rishna,> > The varied subjects all concerned day today happening on in our lifeand it is said on different ways. In this life, we are playing ondifferent rolls, which we need to be act well. If we think forsometime difficult subjects, we can take easily with simple examples.Which are having lot of meaning? Ultimately, our goals are leadssurrendering to God.> The Bagavatham and other Epics teaches the core meaning of life andthe system and it is very important to learn and understand on in ourlife. Our Group is

consisting of Diff age Group may be smaller agegroup may not be digesting with out the help of Proper Guru (tounderstand the actual meaning of the same). > If our actions, words, and deeds are good that it shows a realBhakthi. I have seen personally peoples will talk about Bhakthi andGod e.t.c but what their actions is very wrong.> Of course, our main thing is Bakthi and surrendering toGuruvayoorappan. Krishna also plays varied rolls and these rolls heconveyed good message. What we need to learn from that?> So I suggest we need to bring smaller age also in to our group.Slowly they will learn the real Bakthi through the forum discussion.Therefore, the varied subject, which is very meaningful in life, helpthem also and slowly they are too learning & growing with higherdegree of the Bhakthi.> Pl Pardon me it is just my thought conveyed.> > > With Love,> Sree > >

> > > K.V Gopalakrishna <gopalakrishna. kv (AT) gmail (DOT) com>> guruvayur@grou ps.com> Saturday, 25 November, 2006 11:40:52 AM> Re: [Guruvayur/Guruvayo or] KHUSH RAHO-That¢s right, likethe Lion King son> > > Sunil,> Radh Krishna!> I think there is some confusion about understanding Sri. GanapathyRaman's mail. I think what he has written is that diversions from"Bhakti" are required for a change, like one takes a lick on thepungent pickle while drinking sweet Pal Payasam. > > But by allowing diversions, we should ensure that we dont stray toofar away forgetting our Guruvayoorappan and concentrating on mundaneissues, which are in plenty, and which are burning issues of the day.My personal opinion is that we should not diverge into othertopics, but stay focusing our minds on the Lord.> >

Love> KVG> > > > Sunil Menon wrote: > Dear Ramanji and other members wrote to me recently,> > Yes, we do have to think twice before we publish some messages .> However, considering we have people with various backgrounds from> different places, anything that helps to improve our day is welcome.> Although, it has to be liked by majority of our members. If members> like you express that we are diverting too much from Bhakti, then we> can suggest devotees to reduce non Bhakti emails.> > Now that being said, I am not sure many people in this group> understand Hindi though.> > I would like all of you to speak up your opinion about topics you like> and the ones you don't. That way it is easy for all of us know what> you like and what you don't. Please do not send personal mails to me,> because that way only I will know but not others.

Please send it to> the whole group, if possible.> > Personally, I condemn two kinds of mails, first - religious or caste> propaganda and second - fight among member devotees and factions.> Please remember that we are one big family and all of you are welcome> to comment upon topics and emails.> > After all it is a forum of devotee members and members decide what you> like to see here. > > Om Namo Narayanaya;> > Sunil.> > guruvayur@grou ps.com, GANAPATHY RAMAN <agraman62@ ..>wrote:> >> > Nice presentations. I must thank Sunil that he is so magnanimous that> the Members are allowed other things instead of confining to> Gita,Bhagavatam and other things.So in future we can expect more and> more of subjects other than > > already discussed Gita and other scriptures.Well done Balagopal> and

Sreedhar.> > Change is a part of life and more such new things shuld find a> place instead of > > writing only abt Bhakthy.> > > > agraman.> > > > balagopal ramakrishnan <rbalpal@ > wrote:> > HARI AUM> > > > Here is Bobby McFerrin's popular 'don't worry be> > happy..'> > Read and Enjoyyyyyyyyyy. Be Happy Don't Worry...> > > > Regards> > > > Balagopal> > > > NARAYANA NARAYANA NARAYANA> > > > At the 1988 Grammy Awards, "Don't Worry Be Happy" won> > 'Best Song of the Year', > > From the Movie "Cocktails" > > Performed by Bobby McFerrin > > > > Don't Worry, Be Happy Lyrics> > > > Here is a little song I wrote > > You might want to sing it note for note > > Don't worry be happy >

> In every life we have some trouble > > When you worry you make it double > > Don't worry, be happy...... > > > > Ain't got no place to lay your head > > Somebody came and took your bed > > Don't worry, be happy > > The land lord say your rent is late > > He may have to litigate > > Don't worry, be happy > > Look at me I am happy > > Don't worry, be happy > > Here I give you my phone number > > When you worry call me > > I make you happy > > Don't worry, be happy > > Ain't got no cash, ain't got no style > > Ain't got not girl to make you smile > > But don't worry be happy > > Cause when you worry > > Your face will frown > > And that will bring everybody down > > So don't worry, be happy (now)..... > > > > There is this little song

I wrote > > I hope you learn it note for note > > Like good little children > > Don't worry, be happy > > Listen to what I say > > In your life expect some trouble > > But when you worry > > You make it double > > Don't worry, be happy...... > > Don't worry don't do it, be happy > > Put a smile on your face > > Don't bring everybody down like this > > Don't worry, it will soon past > > Whatever it is > > Don't worry, be happy > > > > ------------ --------- ---> > > > > > --- "sreedhar c.p" <sreepal20@ ..> wrote:> > > > > Hare Krishna,> > > > > > KHUSH RAHO> > > > > > Zindagi hai choti , har pal mein khush raho? > > > > > > Office me khush reho, ghar mein khush raho..

> > > > > > Aaj paneer nahi hai, dal mein hi khush raho, > > > > > > Aaj gym jane ka samay nahi, do kadam chal ke he> > > khush raho.. > > > > > > Aaj Dosto ka sath nahi, TV dekh ke hi khush raho.. > > > > > > > > > Ghar ja nahi sakte to phone kar ke hi khush raho? > > > > > > Aaj koi naraaz hai, uske iss andaz mein bhi khush> > > raho.. > > > > > > Jisse dekh nahi sakte uski awaz mein hi khush raho? > > > > > > > > > Jisse paa nahi sakte uske yaad mein he khush raho > > > > > > MBA karne ka socha tha, S/W mein he khush raho? > > > > > > Laptop na mila to kya, Desktop mein hi khush raho.. > > > > > > > > > bita hua kal ja chuka hai, usse meeti

yaadein> > > hai,unme he khush raho.. > > > > > > aane wale pal ka pata nahi..sapno mein he khush> > > raho.. > > > > > > Haste haste ye pal bitaenge, aaj mein he> > > > > > > > > With Love,> > > Sree> > > > > > Send instant messages to your online friends> > > http://uk.messenger . > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _> > India Answers: Share what you know. Learn something new> > http://in.answers. /> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ---> > Find out what India is talking about on - Answers India > > Send

FREE SMS to your friend's mobile from Messenger Version> 8. Get it NOW> >> > > > > > > > > > Now you can scan emails quickly with a reading pane. Get the new Mail. > > > > > May god bless you,> > Dr. Saroja Ramanujam, M.A., Ph.D, Siromani in sanskrit.> > > > Everyone is raving about the all-new Mail beta.> > > Send instant messages to your online friendshttp://uk.messenger.>

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