[Guruvayur/Guruvayoor] Entry of Non-Hinus to Guruvayoor Temple

June 8, 2007

Ref. Entry of Non-Hindus to Guruvayur Temple - I stand corrected – an

open request.

HARI AUM,

Thank you Krishna Prasadji for appreciating my changed views.

In this context, I wish to use this forum to thank Dr Mahadeva Iyer

(presently in the US) who had written an excellent comment on my post

in the Guruvayur Group. It may not be proper for me to quote anything

from his personal email without his specific permission. I wish he

should join the Guruvayur Group and share his valuable opinion on the

topic with fellow devotees.

It is the duty of each and every Hindu to come forward and actively

participate in such burning issues when disruptive forces join hands

with vote-bank politicians to subvert the scared Hindu temple practices.

Dr Iyer who had served in various scientific forums in India and in

United Nations (IAEA) and had interacted with many countries and is

familiar with their socio-cultural-scientific areas should share his

views with the Guruvayur Group. In this context I remember his

specific warnings to Government of India against possible pitfalls in

the proposed Indo-US Nuclear agreement that had become a reality now.

I am sure Dr Iyer will enjoy the Guruvayur Group, an excellently

moderated Discussion Forum where Guruvayur devotees do interact very

freely with dignity and mutual respect.

With Regards to all fellow devotees,

Yours sincerely,

NB Nair.

guruvayur , " Krishna Prasad " <rkrishp99 wrote:

>

> Hari OM!

>

> Thanks NBnairji,

>

> And there will be always diagreement for any views, I accept it.

Guruvayur

> rule

> should never be changed, Dalits entering is different by other Relgious

> persons all

> together. the board should be NON-HINDUS should not enter the temple.

>

> we Have Sabaraimala and all other temples to worship for other religious

> people let it

> continue like that. What is so particular about Guruvayur??? so there is

> some political

> agenda in that understand that my dear friend. Never try politicians to

> exploit our religious

> belief. They will never touch Church or Mosque but only temples

because we

> Hindus are always

> divided. You try to influence Saudi Government to allow people to

Mecca and

> Madina of all

> religions. try that. you will burn your fingers. do not say that is a

> different issue Nope it is not

> different everywhere there should be same... So let GURUVAYUR be intact

> atleast for all of us

> HINDUS!

>

> With Love & OM!

>

> Krishna Prasad

>

> On 6/6/07, nbnair2000 <nbnair2000 wrote:

> >

> > Thank you Krishnaprasadji for sparing some time to write a rejoinder

> > to my post, explaining the practical side of the issue. After

> > reading, nay studying, your write-up I stand corrected and feel deeply

> > indebted to you.

> >

> > Now I realise that my opinion was guided by emotional feelings that

> > too based on one or two specific incidents. It will not be judicious

> > to change the long standing customs and practices based on one or two

> > isolated incidents. All the practical consequences had to be

> > considered and such vital decisions cannot be based on any simple

> > majority opinion of the devotees, as you have amply elucidated.

> >

> > However, the non-devotees have absolutely no business to comment on

> > these temple issues. And under no conditions the interference by the

> > government in temple affairs should be tolerated.

> >

> > Thanking you once again and with warm regards to all fellow devotees,

> > Yours sincerely nb nair.

> >

> > guruvayur <guruvayur%40>,

" Krishna

> > Prasad " <rkrishp99@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Hari OM!

> > >

> > > Personally my view regarding this Guruvayur entry is a political

> > creation by

> > > the

> > > atheist Marxist party.. Each temple has its own rules and

> > regulations and

> > > Guruvayur temple rules are set by none other than Adi

Shankaracharyar.

> > >

> > > So I am not in favour of allowing all religions inside Guruvayur

temple.

> > >

> > > Yes, Guruvayur temples pavitratha and chitta will go off if we allow

> > > everyone inside.As per

> > > the Tantrik vidhis thera are certain rules and regulations to follow

> > to keep

> > > Devan chaitanyam intact!

> > >

> > > Tomorrow according to the changing times people will say

Biriyani and

> > > Alcohol as prasadam

> > > there will be people to agree for that also the majority ignorant

> > non-united

> > > Hindus! which is

> > > a pray for all political exploitation.

> > >

> > > Try asking Saudi Government to allow everyone inside Mecca,

> > Madina...>>>????

> > >

> > > Because all changing times... we need to change right..

> > >

> > > With Love & OM!

> > >

> > > Krishna Prasad

> > >

> > > On 6/5/07, nbnair2000 <nbnair2000@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Ref. Entry of Non-Hindus to Guruvayur Temple - " sreedhar c.p "

> > > > sreepal20@

> > > >

> > > > HARI AUM,

> > > > Change is a sign of life. Any person or organisation that resists

> > > > changes in accordance with time will decay fast. Hence considering

> > > > necessary changes in rules and practices is a healthy sign,

for any

> > > > organisation. But it should be considered by the very same

people who

> > > > are involved in these practices.

> > > >

> > > > We cannot equate the preset issue with the Temple Entry

Proclamation

> > > > by Sri Chithirathirunal Maharaja of Travancore. Though

Maharaja was

> > > > the ruler, he was an ardent Bhakt as well. Also, he had not

imposed

> > > > any rules or restrictions on the practices of any other faiths

in his

> > > > own Kingdom.

> > > >

> > > > Neither Shri Sudhakaran nor the communist party as such

believes in

> > > > the worships of God or in any temple practices. And they had

> > > > absolutely no business in interfering with religious

practices. There

> > > > are many cases where religions had imposed restrictions on

> > > > governments, and not the other way.

> > > >

> > > > The religious leaders concerned should consider these issues more

> > > > openly, taking into account the general feelings of devotees.

> > > >

> > > > As a devotee and a Kathakali Aswadakan, I always feel hurt

that such a

> > > > great soul like Hyderali, who was singing all through his life the

> > > > most cherished Kathakali Padangal (mostly in praise of God and His

> > > > avatars) was denied entry in to Hindu Temples! What

prayaschithas we

> > > > can do for that now? Please consider: let us not repeat such

blunders.

> > > > I don't have to elaborate: there are other living 'DARLINGS' of

> > > > devotees who are still being denied Guruvayur entry!

> > > >

> > > > Why should we deny the desire to worship to any person

(irrespective

> > > > of the family into which he/she is born)? We have learned many

> > > > stories from our mythology where people of horrible pasts were

> > > > pardoned once they have undergone the mental transformations

to become

> > > > sober characters.

> > > >

> > > > With due respects to the feeling of all my fellow devotees,

> > > > NB Nair. nbnair2000@ <nbnair2000%40>

> > > >

> > > > guruvayur

<guruvayur%40><guruvayur%40g

> > roups.com>,

> > " sreedhar

> > > > c.p " <sreepal20@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > For Inform, 1. Kerala Priests Ask Government to Not Interfere in

> > > > Temple Traditions THIRUVANANTHAPURAM, INDIA, June 2, 2007: The

> > > > Yogashema Sabha -- the primary leadership of priests, tantris

(high

> > > > priests) and other Brahmin and Namboodiri bodies -- has asked the

> > > > Kerala government to not interfere with the customs and

traditions of

> > > > Kerala's temples. The priests' request was in response to the

Temple

> > > > Affairs Minister G. Sudhakaran's statement that the government

would

> > > > consider legislation to allow all believers, including

non-Hindus, to

> > > > worship in temples. The sabha met in Thrissur in the wake of the

> > > > controversy over the purification rite at the Guruvayur temple

after a

> > > > visit by Union minister Vayalar Ravi and his family. It decided to

> > > > begin the process for a second temple entry proclamation.

(Through a

> > > > similar proclamation in 1936, the Maharaja of Travancore had

abolished

> > > > the ban on Dalits entering the temple).

> > > > >

> > > > > Speaking to the Hindustan Times, Rahul Eswar, grandson of the

> > > > Sabarimala tantri who took the initiative for the conclav e, said

> > > > around 80 per cent of the members favored reforms in tune with the

> > > > changing times. " The majority of them agreed to the reforms

known as

> > > > the Second Temple Entry Proclamation. The meeting decided to

initiate

> > > > dialogue and debate for this, " he said. Rahul also said that

> > > > Sudhakaran, who did not believe in temple customs and belief,

had no

> > > > role to play in this. " The government will bring in a law after

> > > > consulting all concerned. It feels all believers have to be

allowed

> > > > darshan in temples, " he said.

> > > > >

> > > > > With Love,

> > > > > Sree

> > > > >

> > > > > Answers - Got a question? Someone out there knows the

> > > > answer. Tryit now.

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

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> > > Krishna Prasad

> > >

> > > Dare to give up the comfort of the 'known' and venture into the

> > 'unknown'

> > > The more we know, the more we will come to realize what we do

not know.

> > > If we want to achieve our true potential and live life to the

fullest.

> > >

> > > As Poojya Gurudev said it,

> > >

> > > " Open your eyes. Burst your shell.

> > > Spread your wings and fly! "

> > >

> > > Swami Chinmayananda

> > > Hate not the sinner - hate the sin; and always hate the sin even

with an

> > > excess of hatred. "

> > >

> >

>

> --

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>

> Krishna Prasad

>

> Dare to give up the comfort of the 'known' and venture into the

'unknown'

> The more we know, the more we will come to realize what we do not know.

> If we want to achieve our true potential and live life to the fullest.

>

> As Poojya Gurudev said it,

>

> " Open your eyes. Burst your shell.

> Spread your wings and fly! "

>

> Swami Chinmayananda

> Hate not the sinner - hate the sin; and always hate the sin even with an

> excess of hatred. "

>

June 8, 2007

Ha ha... a good one. I thought the same earlier. All depends on our fate.. But its good to have prevention and deterrent. prem <bpremkumar wrote: Hare Krishna, What if a terrorist enters and blast a bomb inside the temple? If they can have a blast on a Friday prayer session where their own kith and kin are praying, do you think it will be a wise decision to let people of that religion in particular to enter any temple

premises? When you believe that killing non-believers will grant you a place in heaven, my personal opinion is donot let this happen. Pranams, PremKrishna Prasad <rkrishp99 > wrote: Hari OM! Personally my view regarding this Guruvayur entry is a political creation by the atheist Marxist party.. Each temple has its own rules and regulations and Guruvayur temple rules are set by none other than Adi Shankaracharyar. So I am not in favour of allowing all religions inside Guruvayur temple. Yes, Guruvayur temples pavitratha and chitta will go off if we allow everyone inside.As per the Tantrik vidhis thera are certain rules and regulations to follow to keep

Devan chaitanyam intact! Tomorrow according to the changing times people will say Biriyani and Alcohol as prasadam there will be people to agree for that also the majority ignorant non-united Hindus! which is a pray for all political exploitation. Try asking Saudi Government to allow everyone inside Mecca, Madina...>>>???? Because all changing times... we need to change right.. With Love & OM! Krishna Prasad On 6/5/07, nbnair2000 <nbnair2000 > wrote: Ref. Entry of Non-Hindus to Guruvayur Temple -

"sreedhar c.p"sreepal20 HARI AUM,Change is a sign of life. Any person or organisation that resistschanges in accordance with time will decay fast. Hence considering necessary changes in rules and practices is a healthy sign, for anyorganisation. But it should be considered by the very same people whoare involved in these practices.We cannot equate the preset issue with the Temple Entry Proclamation by Sri Chithirathirunal Maharaja of Travancore. Though Maharaja wasthe ruler, he was an ardent Bhakt as well. Also, he had not imposedany rules or restrictions on the practices of any other faiths in hisown Kingdom. Neither Shri Sudhakaran nor the communist party as such believes inthe worships of God or in any temple practices. And they hadabsolutely no business in interfering with religious practices. Thereare many cases where religions had imposed restrictions on governments, and not the

other way. The religious leaders concerned should consider these issues moreopenly, taking into account the general feelings of devotees. As a devotee and a Kathakali Aswadakan, I always feel hurt that such a great soul like Hyderali, who was singing all through his life themost cherished Kathakali Padangal (mostly in praise of God and Hisavatars) was denied entry in to Hindu Temples! What prayaschithas wecan do for that now? Please consider: let us not repeat such blunders. I don't have to elaborate: there are other living 'DARLINGS' ofdevotees who are still being denied Guruvayur entry! Why should we deny the desire to worship to any person (irrespectiveof the family into which he/she is born)? We have learned many stories from our mythology where people of horrible pasts werepardoned once they have undergone the mental transformations to becomesober characters. With due respects to the feeling

of all my fellow devotees, NB Nair. nbnair2000 guruvayur , "sreedhar c.p" <sreepal20 wrote:>> For Inform, 1. Kerala Priests Ask Government to Not Interfere inTemple Traditions THIRUVANANTHAPURAM, INDIA, June 2, 2007: TheYogashema Sabha -- the primary leadership of priests, tantris (high priests) and other Brahmin and Namboodiri bodies -- has asked theKerala government to not interfere with the customs and traditions ofKerala's temples. The priests' request was in response to the Temple Affairs Minister G. Sudhakaran's statement that the government wouldconsider legislation to allow all believers, including non-Hindus, toworship in temples. The sabha met in Thrissur in the wake of

thecontroversy over the purification rite at the Guruvayur temple after avisit by Union minister Vayalar Ravi and his family. It decided tobegin the process for a second temple entry proclamation. (Through asimilar proclamation in 1936, the Maharaja of Travancore had abolished the ban on Dalits entering the temple).> > Speaking to the Hindustan Times, Rahul Eswar, grandson of theSabarimala tantri who took the initiative for the conclav e, saidaround 80 per cent of the members favored reforms in tune with the changing times. "The majority of them agreed to the reforms known asthe Second Temple Entry Proclamation. The meeting decided to initiatedialogue and debate for this," he said. Rahul also said thatSudhakaran, who did not believe in temple customs and belief, had norole to play in this. "The government will bring in a law afterconsulting all concerned. It feels all believers have to be alloweddarshan

in temples," he said. > > With Love,> Sree> > > > > Answers - Got a question? Someone out there knows theanswer. Tryit now.> -- dotcompals: www.dotcompals.in .Org domain Names for just 2.5 USDKrishna PrasadDare to give up the comfort of the 'known' and venture into the 'unknown' The more we know, the more we will come to realize what we do not know. If we want to achieve our true potential and live life to the fullest. As Poojya Gurudev said it, "Open your eyes. Burst your shell. Spread your wings and fly!"Swami ChinmayanandaHate not the sinner - hate the sin; and always hate the sin

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June 8, 2007

It is really heartening to see a unanimity in opinion taking place in the matter. We should learn to safeguard our interest and there is nothing wrong in it. Sivadas Menon Prakash Panicker <appanicker wrote: Ha ha... a good one. I thought the same earlier. All depends on our fate.. But its good to have prevention and deterrent. prem <bpremkumar > wrote: Hare Krishna, What if a terrorist enters and blast a bomb inside the temple? If they can have a blast on a Friday prayer session where their own kith and kin are praying, do you think it will be a wise decision to let people of that religion in particular to enter any temple premises? When you believe that killing non-believers will grant you a place in heaven, my personal opinion is donot let this happen. Pranams, PremKrishna Prasad <rkrishp99 > wrote: Hari OM! Personally my view regarding this Guruvayur entry is a political creation by the atheist Marxist party.. Each temple has its own rules and

regulations and Guruvayur temple rules are set by none other than Adi Shankaracharyar. So I am not in favour of allowing all religions inside Guruvayur temple. Yes, Guruvayur temples pavitratha and chitta will go off if we allow everyone inside.As per the Tantrik vidhis thera are certain rules and regulations to follow to keep Devan chaitanyam intact! Tomorrow according to the changing times people will say Biriyani and Alcohol as prasadam there will be people to agree for that also the majority ignorant non-united Hindus! which is a pray for all political exploitation. Try asking Saudi Government to allow everyone inside Mecca, Madina...>>>???? Because all changing times... we need to change right.. With Love & OM! Krishna Prasad On 6/5/07, nbnair2000 <nbnair2000 > wrote: Ref. Entry of Non-Hindus to Guruvayur Temple - "sreedhar c.p"sreepal20 HARI AUM,Change is a sign of life. Any person or organisation that resistschanges in accordance with time will decay fast. Hence considering necessary changes in rules and practices is a healthy sign, for anyorganisation. But it should be considered by the very same people whoare involved in these practices.We cannot equate the preset issue with the Temple Entry Proclamation by Sri Chithirathirunal Maharaja of Travancore. Though Maharaja wasthe ruler, he was an ardent Bhakt as well.

Also, he had not imposedany rules or restrictions on the practices of any other faiths in hisown Kingdom. Neither Shri Sudhakaran nor the communist party as such believes inthe worships of God or in any temple practices. And they hadabsolutely no business in interfering with religious practices. Thereare many cases where religions had imposed restrictions on governments, and not the other way. The religious leaders concerned should consider these issues moreopenly, taking into account the general feelings of devotees. As a devotee and a Kathakali Aswadakan, I always feel hurt that such a great soul like Hyderali, who was singing all through his life themost cherished Kathakali Padangal (mostly in praise of God and Hisavatars) was denied entry in to Hindu Temples! What prayaschithas wecan do for that now? Please consider: let us not repeat such blunders. I don't have to elaborate: there are other living

'DARLINGS' ofdevotees who are still being denied Guruvayur entry! Why should we deny the desire to worship to any person (irrespectiveof the family into which he/she is born)? We have learned many stories from our mythology where people of horrible pasts werepardoned once they have undergone the mental transformations to becomesober characters. With due respects to the feeling of all my fellow devotees, NB Nair. nbnair2000 guruvayur , "sreedhar c.p" <sreepal20 wrote:>> For Inform, 1. Kerala Priests Ask Government to Not Interfere inTemple Traditions THIRUVANANTHAPURAM, INDIA, June 2, 2007: TheYogashema Sabha -- the primary leadership of priests, tantris (high priests) and other

Brahmin and Namboodiri bodies -- has asked theKerala government to not interfere with the customs and traditions ofKerala's temples. The priests' request was in response to the Temple Affairs Minister G. Sudhakaran's statement that the government wouldconsider legislation to allow all believers, including non-Hindus, toworship in temples. The sabha met in Thrissur in the wake of thecontroversy over the purification rite at the Guruvayur temple after avisit by Union minister Vayalar Ravi and his family. It decided tobegin the process for a second temple entry proclamation. (Through asimilar proclamation in 1936, the Maharaja of Travancore had abolished the ban on Dalits entering the temple).> > Speaking to the Hindustan Times, Rahul Eswar, grandson of theSabarimala tantri who took the initiative for the conclav e, saidaround 80 per cent of the members favored reforms in tune with the changing times. "The

majority of them agreed to the reforms known asthe Second Temple Entry Proclamation. The meeting decided to initiatedialogue and debate for this," he said. Rahul also said thatSudhakaran, who did not believe in temple customs and belief, had norole to play in this. "The government will bring in a law afterconsulting all concerned. It feels all believers have to be alloweddarshan in temples," he said. > > With Love,> Sree> > > > > Answers - Got a question? Someone out there knows theanswer. Tryit now.> -- dotcompals: www.dotcompals.in .Org domain Names for just 2.5 USDKrishna PrasadDare to give up

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