RE: [Guruvayur/Guruvayoor] non hindu contd...

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Dear Vijayam -

 

It is not good to form opinions without proper study. Islam and Christianity have harsh injunctions against non-believers. This is also corroborated by historical evidence of murder and rape in the name of these religions against "infidels". Even great scientists such as Galileo was harrassed. If these cults have the right to follow their beliefs without interference by GOI, why cant Hindus? It is not about whether non-Hindus should be allowed in to Guruvayoor temple or not. It is about why the GOI is selectively interfering in Hindu affairs and treating Islam and Christianity as sacrosanct?

 

 

Best Regards

Rajaram V.

vijayam <nityananda7guruvayur <guruvayur >Cc: NB NAIR <nbnair; Raghavan Pisharody <pisharody9Wednesday, June 20, 2007 5:29:09 AM[Guruvayur/Guruvayoor] non hindu contd...

 

uttishtathaJagrathaprapyavaran nibodatha!!!This is in response to the mails of rajaram and Chandra menon. I read and reread the same a few times just to make sure that I understand in the right spirit. In the first place, it’s not a fight at all. It is just expressing our opinions and suggestions and as repeatedly I have been stating, finally it is left to the intellectual experts on the subject. I sincerely wish these suggestions and opinions should reach the authority, ‘cos as u know, the bricks by itself do not become a wall. Every human being is an individual brick which when cemented and concreted together becomes a society, a nation, a country, a world etc… I am not very well aware of Christianity or Islamic religions – to be frank not even Hinduism in toto. But I have gone to a few churches and mosques and I did not see any restrictions. I have always enjoyed going to the Hajji Ali near Mahalakshmi temple in Bombay. “Why don’t u

correct other systems” No, my dear RR, we don’t have to. If our consideration is that the Govt is supporting them, like the govt supporting the hajj pilgrims and not shabarimala pilgrims, it is not the fault of the Islamic religion!!! And whom do we correct, the impossible Govt??I totally agree, we should not allow politicians to interfere with the temple affairs. Tanthri is the supreme – no doubt. But my point is who ever is the authority, should do the right thing. We should not compete or compare with other religions. We are saying, ‘cos the other religions do not allow others to go to their worship places, we hindus also should not allow…. I personally do not think that is right thinking. Which Hindu is craving to go to Mecca or Medina?? It is the other religion people who are feeling that there is something more powerful and something more divine in Hindu temple, or Hinduism, they want to have darshan… In fact, we should be proud of that.Until now, I have

not read any valid reason, why we should not allow the non hindus –One group says, ‘cos it has been the age old system so let us continue, but we did bring change in that system by allowing all the hindus to enter the temple. Once upon a time we believed that the earth is flat – the eclipse is caused ‘cos snake swallows the moon…Once upon a time people took 41 days of strict penance before going to shabarimala- or else he will not come back!! yes, we did change…Another group says, ‘cos the other religions do not allow the hindus to enter the church or do confession for our sins – or sprinkle holy water and change the religion…. Or attend the four times prayer outside the mosque on the roadside…. My question here is, do the Hindus want that?? Well if Hindus want it, it could be achieved!!!Another group said about alcohol and beef etc… do Hindus not drink alcohol or eat non veg?? All this discussions and arguments are going to be forgotten in

a few days and we are going to accept what the tanthri is going to finalise. But again, tanthri is also a human being and he should consider the changing times and changing needs of the time. Apart from these issues of non Hindus… there are some vital issues which should be considered for the benefit of the devotees in general. People travel thousands of miles and wait in the queue for hours for the darshan of the lord and sometimes many of them simply walk off without even a proper glimpse of the Divine form because of the faulty system and the callous behavior of the volunteers. Scientific technology has progressed to its peak and some of the technicalities could be applied to make it more convenient and satisfying darshan to all. Volunteer’s needs to be given a better professional training suited for a spiritual and divine atmosphere dealing with humble devotees and not the foxy politicians.

 

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Om Namo Narayanaya

 

As you have said that you never faced any restriction

while visiting Churches and Dhargas…So did I…but then there must be

may people from other religion still visiting Guruvayur ambalam too and may not

find there is any restriction, …this is only because we all do not carry

a celebrity face…so the problem of temple entry is only for those who

have a popular face…basically the issue is are we ready to accept, if

Govt/Tantri etc..wish to come up with a blanket rule to allow one and all.

 

As far as my experience goes, it is purely

Guruvayoorappan’s wish as to whom HE would allow and when, and for how

long this person would have to stand in the queue and what kind of Darshanam to

give them…even availability of prasadam…everything works to his

plans. Last time when we visited Guruvayoorambalam about 2 years back…as

usual there were lots of devotees and long queue, but when our turn came the

queue was stopped right in front of the Tripadi…and moments later we got

the most cherishing Darshanam we ever had for the full family…Great are

his ways…We can only talk HE DOES everything. (Sounds like the Bhima Jewellery

ad).

 

One more incident happened on the same day...I

was carrying my shirt and my son’s T-shirt with me and as we were

standing near the Tripadi…his T-shirt slipped and fell on the platform

behind…after we finished the Darshanam…I found this T-shirt lying

there…fearing rebuke from the kavalkaran…I went and picked this and

proceeded out…Later when we came out of the temple I found that we had

lost his T-shirt again…I knew I was carrying it when we came out of the Nalambalam…but

thought I would just look around once again and entered the temple once more…this

time when I reach near the Ayyappa Swami temple, the Palpayasam for Nedeyam was

being taken from one building to the Nalambalam…I had to stand there

waiting for them to complete the process for about 20 to 25 minutes…all

the while I though they would finish now…but it went on and on…ultimately

I had to return without the T-shirt…now when I think about it I realise,

yes it was all HIS Leelas....

 

NB: I would like to request all Devotees…whenever

you visit Guruvayoorambalam, please keep your mind and senses open to receive HIS

message…I sure he is trying to communicate…it is only that we have

pre-occupied our mind with various issues like collecting prasadam, getting the

return bus etc…that we tend to ignore those small messages.

 

Narayan Narayana Narayana

 

Pravin

 

 

 

 

 

 

guruvayur [guruvayur ] On Behalf Of vijayam

20 June 2007 03:59

guruvayur

Cc: NB NAIR; Raghavan Pisharody

[Guruvayur/Guruvayoor]

non hindu contd...

 

 

 

 

 

uttishtatha

Jagratha

prapyavaran nibodatha!!!

 

This is in response to the mails of rajaram and Chandra menon. I read and

reread the same a few times just to make sure that I understand in the right

spirit.

In the first place, it’s not a fight at all. It is just expressing our

opinions and suggestions and as repeatedly I have been stating, finally it is

left to the intellectual experts on the subject. I sincerely wish these

suggestions and opinions should reach the authority, ‘cos as u know, the

bricks by itself do not become a wall. Every human being is an individual brick

which when cemented and concreted together becomes a society, a nation, a

country, a world etc…

I am not very well aware of Christianity or Islamic religions – to be

frank not even Hinduism in toto. But I have gone to a few churches and mosques

and I did not see any restrictions. I have always enjoyed going to the Hajji

Ali near Mahalakshmi temple in Bombay.

 

 

“Why don’t u correct other systems” No, my dear RR, we

don’t have to. If our consideration is that the Govt is supporting them,

like the govt supporting the hajj pilgrims and not shabarimala pilgrims, it is

not the fault of the Islamic religion!!! And whom do we correct, the impossible

Govt??

I totally agree, we should not allow politicians to interfere with the temple

affairs. Tanthri is the supreme – no doubt. But my point is who ever is

the authority, should do the right thing. We should not compete or compare with

other religions. We are saying, ‘cos the other religions do not allow

others to go to their worship places, we hindus also should not allow…. I

personally do not think that is right thinking. Which Hindu is craving to go to

Mecca or Medina??

It is the other religion people who are feeling that there is something more powerful

and something more divine in Hindu temple, or Hinduism, they want to have

darshan… In fact, we should be proud of that.

 

Until now, I have not read any valid reason, why we should not allow the non

hindus –

One group says, ‘cos it has been the age old system so let us continue,

but we did bring change in that system by allowing all the hindus to enter the

temple. Once upon a time we believed that the earth is flat – the eclipse

is caused ‘cos snake swallows the moon…

Once upon a time people took 41 days of strict penance before going to

shabarimala- or else he will not come back!! yes, we did change…

 

Another group says, ‘cos the other religions do not allow the hindus to

enter the church or do confession for our sins – or sprinkle holy water

and change the religion…. Or attend the four times prayer outside the

mosque on the roadside…. My question here is, do the Hindus want that??

Well if Hindus want it, it could be achieved!!!

 

Another group said about alcohol and beef etc… do Hindus not drink alcohol

or eat non veg??

 

All this discussions and arguments are going to be forgotten in a few days and

we are going to accept what the tanthri is going to finalise. But again,

tanthri is also a human being and he should consider the changing times and

changing needs of the time.

 

Apart from these issues of non Hindus… there are some vital issues which

should be considered for the benefit of the devotees in general. People travel

thousands of miles and wait in the queue for hours for the darshan of the lord

and sometimes many of them simply walk off without even a proper glimpse of the

Divine form because of the faulty system and the callous behavior of the

volunteers.

Scientific technology has progressed to its peak and some of the technicalities

could be applied to make it more convenient and satisfying darshan to all.

Volunteer’s needs to be given a better professional training suited for a

spiritual and divine atmosphere dealing with humble devotees and not the foxy

politicians.

 

 

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dear all,

 

The messages on this topic has been going on for quite

some time ...we have only been debating and out come

is not clear ..... and I feel every human being has

the right to practice any religion they believe in

..... and all religions has got both good and bad

practices .....Let us not hurt anybody's feeling ...

 

But at the same time let us not LET others hurt our

beliefs also ......Can we find out what majority feels

in this group about entry of non hindus at guruvayur .

 

and I would also sujjest if the promoters can have

the outcome expressed to concerned authorities ....

though it cannot make any change in the ultimate

decisions that can come ... But still we will have the

comfort that we tried to do our part.

 

Coming to guruvayurappans wish .... he is only making

us do all this ..... That defenitly would be what he

wants to do

 

Om Namo Narayana.

 

sandhya

 

 

--- Rajaram Venkataramani <v_raja_ram

wrote:

 

> Dear Vijayam -

>

> It is not good to form opinions without proper

> study. Islam and Christianity have harsh injunctions

> against non-believers. This is also corroborated by

> historical evidence of murder and rape in the name

> of these religions against " infidels " . Even great

> scientists such as Galileo was harrassed. If these

> cults have the right to follow their beliefs without

> interference by GOI, why cant Hindus? It is not

> about whether non-Hindus should be allowed in to

> Guruvayoor temple or not. It is about why the GOI is

> selectively interfering in Hindu affairs and

> treating Islam and Christianity as sacrosanct?

>

>

> Best Regards

> Rajaram V.

>

> vijayam <nityananda7

> guruvayur <guruvayur >

> Cc: NB NAIR <nbnair; Raghavan Pisharody

> <pisharody9

> Wednesday, June 20, 2007 5:29:09 AM

> [Guruvayur/Guruvayoor] non hindu contd...

>

> uttishtatha

> Jagratha

> prapyavaran nibodatha!!!

>

> This is in response to the mails of rajaram and

> Chandra menon. I read and reread the same a few

> times just to make sure that I understand in the

> right spirit.

> In the first place, it’s not a fight at all. It is

> just expressing our opinions and suggestions and as

> repeatedly I have been stating, finally it is left

> to the intellectual experts on the subject. I

> sincerely wish these suggestions and opinions should

> reach the authority, ‘cos as u know, the bricks by

> itself do not become a wall. Every human being is an

> individual brick which when cemented and concreted

> together becomes a society, a nation, a country, a

> world etc…

> I am not very well aware of Christianity or Islamic

> religions – to be frank not even Hinduism in toto.

> But I have gone to a few churches and mosques and I

> did not see any restrictions. I have always enjoyed

> going to the Hajji Ali near Mahalakshmi temple in

> Bombay.

>

> “Why don’t u correct other systems” No, my dear RR,

> we don’t have to. If our consideration is that the

> Govt is supporting them, like the govt supporting

> the hajj pilgrims and not shabarimala pilgrims, it

> is not the fault of the Islamic religion!!! And whom

> do we correct, the impossible Govt??

> I totally agree, we should not allow politicians to

> interfere with the temple affairs. Tanthri is the

> supreme – no doubt. But my point is who ever is the

> authority, should do the right thing. We should not

> compete or compare with other religions. We are

> saying, ‘cos the other religions do not allow others

> to go to their worship places, we hindus also should

> not allow…. I personally do not think that is right

> thinking. Which Hindu is craving to go to Mecca or

> Medina?? It is the other religion people who are

> feeling that there is something more powerful and

> something more divine in Hindu temple, or Hinduism,

> they want to have darshan… In fact, we should be

> proud of that.

>

> Until now, I have not read any valid reason, why we

> should not allow the non hindus –

> One group says, ‘cos it has been the age old system

> so let us continue, but we did bring change in that

> system by allowing all the hindus to enter the

> temple. Once upon a time we believed that the earth

> is flat – the eclipse is caused ‘cos snake swallows

> the moon…

> Once upon a time people took 41 days of strict

> penance before going to shabarimala- or else he will

> not come back!! yes, we did change…

>

> Another group says, ‘cos the other religions do not

> allow the hindus to enter the church or do

> confession for our sins – or sprinkle holy water and

> change the religion…. Or attend the four times

> prayer outside the mosque on the roadside…. My

> question here is, do the Hindus want that?? Well if

> Hindus want it, it could be achieved!!!

>

> Another group said about alcohol and beef etc… do

> Hindus not drink alcohol or eat non veg??

>

> All this discussions and arguments are going to be

> forgotten in a few days and we are going to accept

> what the tanthri is going to finalise. But again,

> tanthri is also a human being and he should consider

> the changing times and changing needs of the time.

>

> Apart from these issues of non Hindus… there are

> some vital issues which should be considered for the

> benefit of the devotees in general. People travel

> thousands of miles and wait in the queue for hours

> for the darshan of the lord and sometimes many of

> them simply walk off without even a proper glimpse

> of the Divine form because of the faulty system and

> the callous behavior of the volunteers.

> Scientific technology has progressed to its peak and

> some of the technicalities could be applied to make

> it more convenient and satisfying darshan to all.

> Volunteer’s needs to be given a better professional

> training suited for a spiritual and divine

> atmosphere dealing with humble devotees and not the

> foxy politicians.

>

>

>

>

>

>

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Hari OM!

 

Dear Vijayam,

 

You do not even know your own religion that is the greatest blunder at least go

and learn some slogams, and you want to give advise and solutions in this group

and you neither know islam and Chrsitianity and what are you up to???

 

not too far you will know who is Guruvayurappan that too by HIS Kripa. if you

dont know keep quiet do not advise your minds blabberings. Half knowledge is

dangrerous there are lot of other good Creative activities to do than this

blabberings.

 

NARAYANA JAYA NARAYANA JAYA JARAYANA JAYA NARAYANA JAYA!

 

With Love & OM!

 

Krishna Prasad

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if non hindus are allowed inGVR, many will make the devine place a

tourist spot and this will surely trouble and disturb the real devotees

who stand in queue for long time for HIS darshan. non hindus need not be

devotees always. many may come with only curiosity ,not with bakthi to

see the temple and offerings etc. this may pollute the air inside temple

which is filled with vibration of bakthi of the real devotees.this is

my fear.how can we distinguish between a devotee and tourist who has

only curiosity. i am scared even to think of making guruvayoorappan's

temple a show piece for the non hindus in the name of secularism.let the

lord decide and save his bakthas.

ponnu guruvayoorappa, u find a solution to this.

 

 

- In guruvayur , " Krishna Prasad " <rkrishp99 wrote:

>

> Hari OM!

>

> Dear Vijayam,

>

> You do not even know your own religion that is the greatest blunder at

least go and learn some slogams, and you want to give advise and

solutions in this group and you neither know islam and Chrsitianity and

what are you up to???

>

> not too far you will know who is Guruvayurappan that too by HIS Kripa.

if you dont know keep quiet do not advise your minds blabberings. Half

knowledge is dangrerous there are lot of other good Creative activities

to do than this blabberings.

>

> NARAYANA JAYA NARAYANA JAYA JARAYANA JAYA NARAYANA JAYA!

>

> With Love & OM!

>

> Krishna Prasad

>