[Guruvayur/Guruvayoor] Re:what happens after getting moksh

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It was heartening to read the dialog between Krishna Prasadji and

Ganapathy Ramanji on 'What Happens After Getting Moksha': Yes we can't

expect all to agree on all topics. And in such cases it is better to

cordially 'agree to disagree' and concentrate more on the topics we

agree.

There were many posts like the one from Gopalakrishnaji (message 5702)

on 'Trissur Pooram-cruelty in the name of tradition and God', mine

(message 6233) on 'Gosala of Sree Guruvayurappan', etc. which most of

the members of this group may agree, but they did not come out very

effectively with their opinion. I feel, to react against 'cruelty to

animals’, especially ‘Cows and Elephants’, in what ever form it may

be, is as important and dear to Guruvayurappan as our daily prayers.

With Great Regards to all my Fellow Devotees,

NB Nair.

 

guruvayur , Krishna Dasa <krishnadasa77 wrote:

>

> No problems Ganapathy Ramanji. Let's agree to disagree

> cordially. Everyone is an individual and everyone has

> his/her own propensity and nature and it is best for

> everyone to respect each other's attitude.

>

> I respect yours and I know that you respect mine.

>

> Shree Krishna Sharanam Mama!

> ~Krishnadasa.

>

>

> --- GANAPATHY RAMAN <agraman62 wrote:

>

> > Dear Krishnadasa,

> >

> > I must appreciate your deep thoughts abt

> > liberation and other things.One can chant Krishna or

> > any deity of one's choice,do service etc throughout

> > one's life

> > but will that guarantee that once the life leaves

> > the body the same service etc will continue in the

> > succeeding births and with what authority one can

> > say that

> > the devotee will go on serving the Lord when he or

> > she does not know where the atma will go after

> > leaving the body?Will the recitation of nama and

> > other services

> > will take one to the place of absolute bliss?We

> > can guess so many things out of our love for a

> > certain deity but where is the guarantee that we

> > will continue the same afterwards when the life goes

> > out?That is why it is emphsisied only thru

> > sadhanas which includes bhakthy as the basis,then

> > dhyana and other

> > disciplines which all will lead one to Knowledge

> > or Gyana and one will come to know that after all

> > the the eternal Atma is residing in himself or

> > herself only.When the God is within oneself instead

> > of trying to find out the source just

> > meandering here and there is absolute foolishness

> > and this is what all the seers

> > say.So if one has to attain the state of absolute

> > bliss which is everlasting one has to find the God

> > within oneself and not outside.

> >

> > Spriritual subject is such a complicated one that

> > it is not so easy as one imagine to digest at

> > will.Just by reading books one can't get any

> > knowledge in

> > spirituality as the same has to be experienced by

> > one by himself or herself.For that the foundation

> > must be made strong by bhakthy marga initially,then

> > dhyana and other methods so as to kindle the energy

> > within oneself and when that maturity comes and if

> > the aspirant is earnest about spiritual

> > enligtenment,the

> > Lord sees to it that a Guru will be sent to guide

> > the devotee by making him to come in contact with

> > the enlightened one.Till that time one has to

> > continue one's sadhana and the the so called running

> > after Gurus won't carry one any far as

> > it is very difficult to find an enlightened

> > soul.This is meant only for those who are

> > interested to get expereiences in the higher realm

> > of spirituality and not to those who think by

> > chanting,serving the Lord will give them the

> > supposed Bliss or

> > Paramananda.It is only wishful thinking according

> > to me.

> > Since from the mail I understand that you are

> > harping on a particular notion there is no meaning

> > in explaining further as I am not interested in

> > argument for argument's sake and the mental set up

> > of the person being such it is futile to take such a

> > course.One can take a horse to a stream but twenty

> > can't make the

> > horse to drink the water.

> > This is not meant to offend your views but as I

> > know your mind more than anybody you can carry on

> > with your convictions as nothing can be forced on

> > anybody by any compulsive versions.I don't hv any

> > ill will against you that requires your apology.You

> > said your thoughts and I that of mine.That is all as

> > both of us are not well versed in this matter and so

> > you follow your path,I that of mine.Perhaps after

> > some time you may get more understanding abt all

> > these and may or may not change the attitude and

> > till that time continue with your present method of

> > devotion and there is absolutely nothing wrong as

> > the Lord

> > belongs to all as Krishna said the

> > sinner,devotee,believer,non believer all belong to

> > Him only as He is the all pervading Cosmic Energy.To

> > be frank I don't hv much idea abt the scriptures and

> > your quotes and hence I can't make any comment on

> > them.God Bless.

> >

> > agraman.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Krishna Dasa <krishnadasa77 wrote:

> > Dear Sri. Ganapathy Ramanji,

> >

> > More or less you have mentioned here about the

> > Sayujya liberation where-in the individual soul

> > 'merges' into the Supreme soul. But I think you have

> > not mentioned about the other kinds of liberation

> > which a pure devotee of the Lord automatically gets,

> > even though a pure devotee of Krishna is not

> > hankering even after liberation..

> >

> > As metioned by Srila Kapiladeva to His mother

> > Srimati Devahuti:

> > ---

> > {

> > naikatmatam me sprhayanti

> > kecin

> > mat-pada-sevabhirata mad-ihah

> > ye 'nyonyato bhagavatah

> > prasajya

> > sabhajayante mama paurusani

> >

> > SYNONYMS

> >

> > na--never; eka-atmatam--merging into oneness;

> > me--My; sprhayanti--they desire; kecit--any;

> > mat-pada-seva--the service of My lotus feet;

> > abhiratah--engaged in; mat-ihah--endeavoring to

> > attain Me; ye--those who; anyonyatah--mutually;

> > bhagavatah--pure devotees; prasajya--assembling;

> > sabhajayante--glorify; mama--My; paurusani--glorious

> > activities.

> >

> > TRANSLATION

> >

> > A pure devotee, who is attached to the

> > activities of devotional service and who always

> > engages in the service of My lotus feet, never

> > desires to become one with Me. Such a devotee, who

> > is unflinchingly engaged, always glorifies My

> > pastimes and activities. -

> > http://vedabase.net/sb/3/25/34/en }

> > ---

> >

> > And the different kinds of liberation is mentioned

> > in this verse, as mentioned by Srila Kapiladeva to

> > His mother Srimati Devahuti:

> > ---

> > {

> > salokya-sarsti-samipya-

> > sarupyaikatvam apy uta

> > diyamanam na grhnanti

> > vina mat-sevanam janah

> >

> > SYNONYMS

> >

> > salokya--living on the same planet;

> > sarsti--having the same opulence; samipya--to be a

> > personal associate; sarupya--having the same bodily

> > features; ekatvam--oneness; api--also; uta--even;

> > diyamanam--being offered; na--not; grhnanti--do

> > accept; vina--without; mat--My; sevanam--devotional

> > service; janah--pure devotees.

> >

> > TRANSLATION

> >

> > A pure devotee does not accept any kind of

> > liberation--salokya, sarsti, samipya, sarupya or

> > ekatva--even though they are offered by the Supreme

> > Personality of Godhead. -

> > http://vedabase.net/sb/3/29/13/en }

> > ---

> > Also, the point you mentioned regarding Gurudeva

> > himself coming in search of individual soul is

> > rarely found in the scriptures. Example is that of

> > Srila Parikshit Maharaja, who is already a

> > nitya-siddha (eternally liberated) devotee of

> > Krishna.

> >

> > But for the general people, who are not on that

> > level, there has to be a conscious effort on their

> > part to approach a bona fide Guru. As mentioned by

> > Shree Krishna to Arjuna in Bhagavad-Gita:

> >

> > {

> > tad viddhi pranipatena

> > pariprasnena sevaya

> > upadeksyanti te jnanam

> > jnaninas tattva-darsinah

> > SYNONYMS

> > tat--that knowledge of different sacrifices;

> > viddhi--try to understand; pranipatena--by

> > approaching a spiritual master; pariprasnena--by

> > submissive inquiries; sevaya--by the rendering of

> > service; upadeksyanti--initiate; te--unto you;

> > jnanam--knowledge; jnaninah--the self-realized;

> > tattva--truth; darsinah--the seers.

> > TRANSLATION

> > Just try to learn the truth by approaching a

> > spiritual master. Inquire from him submissively and

> > render service unto him. The self-realized soul can

> > impart knowledge unto you because he has seen the

> > truth. - http://asitis.com/4/34.html }

> >

> > These are just the points that came to my mind

> > when I read your posting. Apologies, if I have said

> > something wrong.

> >

> > Shree Krishna Sharnam Mama!

> > ~Krishnadasa.

> >

> === message truncated ===

>

>

>

>

>

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Dear Sri. NB Nairji, It's good to see your reaction to the discussion. Actually, I'm Krishnadasa and not Krishna Prasad. Krishna Prasadji is a wonderful devotee of Shree Guruvayurappan who is maintaining the beautiful blog about Shree Guruvayurappan. Regarding your point about cruelty to animals -- of course, any sane man should treat the animals with total care, understanding clearly that Krishna is present in the form of Paramaatma inside that animal also. It's unfortunate to hear that animals are treated badly and I agree that we should try to protect in as many ways as we can. Maybe, as a group, we can come up with some solid ideas on this and try to implement it... Shree Krishna Sharanam Mama! ~Krishnadasa.nbnair2000 <nbnair2000 wrote: HARI AUMIt was heartening to read the dialog between Krishna Prasadji andGanapathy Ramanji on 'What Happens After Getting Moksha': Yes we can'texpect all to agree on all topics. And in such cases it is better tocordially 'agree to disagree' and concentrate more on the topics weagree. There were many posts like the one from Gopalakrishnaji (message 5702)on 'Trissur Pooram-cruelty in the name of tradition and God', mine(message 6233) on 'Gosala of Sree Guruvayurappan', etc. which most ofthe members of this group may agree, but

they did not come out veryeffectively with their opinion. I feel, to react against 'cruelty toanimals’, especially ‘Cows and Elephants’, in what ever form it maybe, is as important and dear to Guruvayurappan as our daily prayers.With Great Regards to all my Fellow Devotees,NB Nair.guruvayur , Krishna Dasa <krishnadasa77 wrote:>> No problems Ganapathy Ramanji. Let's agree to disagree> cordially. Everyone is an individual and everyone has> his/her own propensity and nature and it is best for> everyone to respect each other's attitude.> > I respect yours and I know that you respect mine.> > Shree Krishna Sharanam Mama!> ~Krishnadasa.> > > --- GANAPATHY RAMAN <agraman62 wrote:> > > Dear Krishnadasa,> > > > I

must appreciate your deep thoughts abt> > liberation and other things.One can chant Krishna or> > any deity of one's choice,do service etc throughout> > one's life > > but will that guarantee that once the life leaves> > the body the same service etc will continue in the> > succeeding births and with what authority one can> > say that > > the devotee will go on serving the Lord when he or> > she does not know where the atma will go after> > leaving the body?Will the recitation of nama and> > other services > > will take one to the place of absolute bliss?We> > can guess so many things out of our love for a> > certain deity but where is the guarantee that we> > will continue the same afterwards when the life goes> > out?That is why it is emphsisied only thru > > sadhanas which includes bhakthy as the

basis,then> > dhyana and other > > disciplines which all will lead one to Knowledge> > or Gyana and one will come to know that after all> > the the eternal Atma is residing in himself or> > herself only.When the God is within oneself instead> > of trying to find out the source just > > meandering here and there is absolute foolishness> > and this is what all the seers> > say.So if one has to attain the state of absolute> > bliss which is everlasting one has to find the God> > within oneself and not outside.> > > > Spriritual subject is such a complicated one that> > it is not so easy as one imagine to digest at> > will.Just by reading books one can't get any> > knowledge in > > spirituality as the same has to be experienced by> > one by himself or herself.For that the foundation> > must

be made strong by bhakthy marga initially,then> > dhyana and other methods so as to kindle the energy> > within oneself and when that maturity comes and if> > the aspirant is earnest about spiritual> > enligtenment,the > > Lord sees to it that a Guru will be sent to guide> > the devotee by making him to come in contact with> > the enlightened one.Till that time one has to> > continue one's sadhana and the the so called running> > after Gurus won't carry one any far as > > it is very difficult to find an enlightened> > soul.This is meant only for those who are > > interested to get expereiences in the higher realm> > of spirituality and not to those who think by> > chanting,serving the Lord will give them the> > supposed Bliss or > > Paramananda.It is only wishful thinking according> > to

me.> > Since from the mail I understand that you are> > harping on a particular notion there is no meaning> > in explaining further as I am not interested in> > argument for argument's sake and the mental set up> > of the person being such it is futile to take such a> > course.One can take a horse to a stream but twenty> > can't make the > > horse to drink the water.> > This is not meant to offend your views but as I> > know your mind more than anybody you can carry on> > with your convictions as nothing can be forced on > > anybody by any compulsive versions.I don't hv any> > ill will against you that requires your apology.You> > said your thoughts and I that of mine.That is all as> > both of us are not well versed in this matter and so> > you follow your path,I that of mine.Perhaps after> > some time you

may get more understanding abt all> > these and may or may not change the attitude and> > till that time continue with your present method of> > devotion and there is absolutely nothing wrong as> > the Lord > > belongs to all as Krishna said the> > sinner,devotee,believer,non believer all belong to> > Him only as He is the all pervading Cosmic Energy.To> > be frank I don't hv much idea abt the scriptures and> > your quotes and hence I can't make any comment on> > them.God Bless.> > > > agraman.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Krishna Dasa <krishnadasa77 wrote:> > Dear Sri. Ganapathy Ramanji,> > > > More or less you have mentioned here about the> > Sayujya liberation where-in the individual soul> > 'merges' into the

Supreme soul. But I think you have> > not mentioned about the other kinds of liberation> > which a pure devotee of the Lord automatically gets,> > even though a pure devotee of Krishna is not> > hankering even after liberation..> > > > As metioned by Srila Kapiladeva to His mother> > Srimati Devahuti:> > ---> > {> > naikatmatam me sprhayanti> > kecin> > mat-pada-sevabhirata mad-ihah> > ye 'nyonyato bhagavatah> > prasajya> > sabhajayante mama paurusani> > > > SYNONYMS> > > > na--never; eka-atmatam--merging into oneness;> > me--My; sprhayanti--they desire; kecit--any;> > mat-pada-seva--the service of My lotus feet;> > abhiratah--engaged in; mat-ihah--endeavoring to> > attain Me; ye--those who;

anyonyatah--mutually;> > bhagavatah--pure devotees; prasajya--assembling;> > sabhajayante--glorify; mama--My; paurusani--glorious> > activities.> > > > TRANSLATION> > > > A pure devotee, who is attached to the> > activities of devotional service and who always> > engages in the service of My lotus feet, never> > desires to become one with Me. Such a devotee, who> > is unflinchingly engaged, always glorifies My> > pastimes and activities. -> > http://vedabase.net/sb/3/25/34/en }> > ---> > > > And the different kinds of liberation is mentioned> > in this verse, as mentioned by Srila Kapiladeva to> > His mother Srimati Devahuti:> > ---> > {> > salokya-sarsti-samipya-> >

sarupyaikatvam apy uta> > diyamanam na grhnanti> > vina mat-sevanam janah> > > > SYNONYMS> > > > salokya--living on the same planet;> > sarsti--having the same opulence; samipya--to be a> > personal associate; sarupya--having the same bodily> > features; ekatvam--oneness; api--also; uta--even;> > diyamanam--being offered; na--not; grhnanti--do> > accept; vina--without; mat--My; sevanam--devotional> > service; janah--pure devotees.> > > > TRANSLATION> > > > A pure devotee does not accept any kind of> > liberation--salokya, sarsti, samipya, sarupya or> > ekatva--even though they are offered by the Supreme> > Personality of Godhead. -> > http://vedabase.net/sb/3/29/13/en }> > ---> > Also, the point

you mentioned regarding Gurudeva> > himself coming in search of individual soul is> > rarely found in the scriptures. Example is that of> > Srila Parikshit Maharaja, who is already a> > nitya-siddha (eternally liberated) devotee of> > Krishna.> > > > But for the general people, who are not on that> > level, there has to be a conscious effort on their> > part to approach a bona fide Guru. As mentioned by> > Shree Krishna to Arjuna in Bhagavad-Gita:> > > > {> > tad viddhi pranipatena > > pariprasnena sevaya > > upadeksyanti te jnanam > > jnaninas tattva-darsinah> > SYNONYMS > > tat--that knowledge of different sacrifices;> > viddhi--try to understand; pranipatena--by> > approaching a spiritual master; pariprasnena--by> > submissive inquiries; sevaya--by the

rendering of> > service; upadeksyanti--initiate; te--unto you;> > jnanam--knowledge; jnaninah--the self-realized;> > tattva--truth; darsinah--the seers. > > TRANSLATION > > Just try to learn the truth by approaching a> > spiritual master. Inquire from him submissively and> > render service unto him. The self-realized soul can> > impart knowledge unto you because he has seen the> > truth. - http://asitis.com/4/34.html }> > > > These are just the points that came to my mind> > when I read your posting. Apologies, if I have said> > something wrong.> > > > Shree Krishna Sharnam Mama!> > ~Krishnadasa.> > > === message truncated ===> > > >

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