[Guruvayur/Guruvayoor] Re:what happens after getting moksh - be kind to animals

[Guest guest]

HARI AUM

Thank you very much Krishnadasji for your kind words (and correction –

I am sure Krishna Prasadji is large heated enough to excuse me on this

mess-up).

 

Your comments/suggestion " It's unfortunate to hear that animals are

treated badly and I agree that we should try to protect in as many

ways as we can. Maybe, as a group, we can come up with some solid

ideas on this and try to implement it... " is extremely laudable.

 

I request our group members to suggest in what all way we as a group

of Guruvayur devotees can come up to see that the animals are well

treated – at least reduce the cruelty committed on these dumb

creatures of Guruvayurappan.

With regards to all fellow devotees,

NB Nair.

 

 

 

guruvayur , Krishna Dasa <krishnadasa77 wrote:

>

> Dear Sri. NB Nairji,

>

> It's good to see your reaction to the discussion. Actually, I'm

Krishnadasa and not Krishna Prasad.

>

> Krishna Prasadji is a wonderful devotee of Shree Guruvayurappan

who is maintaining the beautiful blog about Shree Guruvayurappan.

>

> Regarding your point about cruelty to animals -- of course, any

sane man should treat the animals with total care, understanding

clearly that Krishna is present in the form of Paramaatma inside that

animal also.

>

> It's unfortunate to hear that animals are treated badly and I

agree that we should try to protect in as many ways as we can. Maybe,

as a group, we can come up with some solid ideas on this and try to

implement it...

>

> Shree Krishna Sharanam Mama!

> ~Krishnadasa.

>

> nbnair2000 <nbnair2000 wrote:

> HARI AUM

> It was heartening to read the dialog between Krishna Prasadji and

> Ganapathy Ramanji on 'What Happens After Getting Moksha': Yes we can't

> expect all to agree on all topics. And in such cases it is better to

> cordially 'agree to disagree' and concentrate more on the topics we

> agree.

> There were many posts like the one from Gopalakrishnaji (message 5702)

> on 'Trissur Pooram-cruelty in the name of tradition and God', mine

> (message 6233) on 'Gosala of Sree Guruvayurappan', etc. which most of

> the members of this group may agree, but they did not come out very

> effectively with their opinion. I feel, to react against 'cruelty to

> animals’, especially ‘Cows and Elephants’, in what ever form

it may

> be, is as important and dear to Guruvayurappan as our daily prayers.

> With Great Regards to all my Fellow Devotees,

> NB Nair.

>

> guruvayur , Krishna Dasa <krishnadasa77@> wrote:

> >

> > No problems Ganapathy Ramanji. Let's agree to disagree

> > cordially. Everyone is an individual and everyone has

> > his/her own propensity and nature and it is best for

> > everyone to respect each other's attitude.

> >

> > I respect yours and I know that you respect mine.

> >

> > Shree Krishna Sharanam Mama!

> > ~Krishnadasa.

> >

> >

> > --- GANAPATHY RAMAN <agraman62@> wrote:

> >

> > > Dear Krishnadasa,

> > >

> > > I must appreciate your deep thoughts abt

> > > liberation and other things.One can chant Krishna or

> > > any deity of one's choice,do service etc throughout

> > > one's life

> > > but will that guarantee that once the life leaves

> > > the body the same service etc will continue in the

> > > succeeding births and with what authority one can

> > > say that

> > > the devotee will go on serving the Lord when he or

> > > she does not know where the atma will go after

> > > leaving the body?Will the recitation of nama and

> > > other services

> > > will take one to the place of absolute bliss?We

> > > can guess so many things out of our love for a

> > > certain deity but where is the guarantee that we

> > > will continue the same afterwards when the life goes

> > > out?That is why it is emphsisied only thru

> > > sadhanas which includes bhakthy as the basis,then

> > > dhyana and other

> > > disciplines which all will lead one to Knowledge

> > > or Gyana and one will come to know that after all

> > > the the eternal Atma is residing in himself or

> > > herself only.When the God is within oneself instead

> > > of trying to find out the source just

> > > meandering here and there is absolute foolishness

> > > and this is what all the seers

> > > say.So if one has to attain the state of absolute

> > > bliss which is everlasting one has to find the God

> > > within oneself and not outside.

> > >

> > > Spriritual subject is such a complicated one that

> > > it is not so easy as one imagine to digest at

> > > will.Just by reading books one can't get any

> > > knowledge in

> > > spirituality as the same has to be experienced by

> > > one by himself or herself.For that the foundation

> > > must be made strong by bhakthy marga initially,then

> > > dhyana and other methods so as to kindle the energy

> > > within oneself and when that maturity comes and if

> > > the aspirant is earnest about spiritual

> > > enligtenment,the

> > > Lord sees to it that a Guru will be sent to guide

> > > the devotee by making him to come in contact with

> > > the enlightened one.Till that time one has to

> > > continue one's sadhana and the the so called running

> > > after Gurus won't carry one any far as

> > > it is very difficult to find an enlightened

> > > soul.This is meant only for those who are

> > > interested to get expereiences in the higher realm

> > > of spirituality and not to those who think by

> > > chanting,serving the Lord will give them the

> > > supposed Bliss or

> > > Paramananda.It is only wishful thinking according

> > > to me.

> > > Since from the mail I understand that you are

> > > harping on a particular notion there is no meaning

> > > in explaining further as I am not interested in

> > > argument for argument's sake and the mental set up

> > > of the person being such it is futile to take such a

> > > course.One can take a horse to a stream but twenty

> > > can't make the

> > > horse to drink the water.

> > > This is not meant to offend your views but as I

> > > know your mind more than anybody you can carry on

> > > with your convictions as nothing can be forced on

> > > anybody by any compulsive versions.I don't hv any

> > > ill will against you that requires your apology.You

> > > said your thoughts and I that of mine.That is all as

> > > both of us are not well versed in this matter and so

> > > you follow your path,I that of mine.Perhaps after

> > > some time you may get more understanding abt all

> > > these and may or may not change the attitude and

> > > till that time continue with your present method of

> > > devotion and there is absolutely nothing wrong as

> > > the Lord

> > > belongs to all as Krishna said the

> > > sinner,devotee,believer,non believer all belong to

> > > Him only as He is the all pervading Cosmic Energy.To

> > > be frank I don't hv much idea abt the scriptures and

> > > your quotes and hence I can't make any comment on

> > > them.God Bless.

> > >

> > > agraman.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Krishna Dasa <krishnadasa77@> wrote:

> > > Dear Sri. Ganapathy Ramanji,

> > >

> > > More or less you have mentioned here about the

> > > Sayujya liberation where-in the individual soul

> > > 'merges' into the Supreme soul. But I think you have

> > > not mentioned about the other kinds of liberation

> > > which a pure devotee of the Lord automatically gets,

> > > even though a pure devotee of Krishna is not

> > > hankering even after liberation..

> > >

> > > As metioned by Srila Kapiladeva to His mother

> > > Srimati Devahuti:

> > > ---

> > > {

> > > naikatmatam me sprhayanti

> > > kecin

> > > mat-pada-sevabhirata mad-ihah

> > > ye 'nyonyato bhagavatah

> > > prasajya

> > > sabhajayante mama paurusani

> > >

> > > SYNONYMS

> > >

> > > na--never; eka-atmatam--merging into oneness;

> > > me--My; sprhayanti--they desire; kecit--any;

> > > mat-pada-seva--the service of My lotus feet;

> > > abhiratah--engaged in; mat-ihah--endeavoring to

> > > attain Me; ye--those who; anyonyatah--mutually;

> > > bhagavatah--pure devotees; prasajya--assembling;

> > > sabhajayante--glorify; mama--My; paurusani--glorious

> > > activities.

> > >

> > > TRANSLATION

> > >

> > > A pure devotee, who is attached to the

> > > activities of devotional service and who always

> > > engages in the service of My lotus feet, never

> > > desires to become one with Me. Such a devotee, who

> > > is unflinchingly engaged, always glorifies My

> > > pastimes and activities. -

> > > http://vedabase.net/sb/3/25/34/en }

> > > ---

> > >

> > > And the different kinds of liberation is mentioned

> > > in this verse, as mentioned by Srila Kapiladeva to

> > > His mother Srimati Devahuti:

> > > ---

> > > {

> > > salokya-sarsti-samipya-

> > > sarupyaikatvam apy uta

> > > diyamanam na grhnanti

> > > vina mat-sevanam janah

> > >

> > > SYNONYMS

> > >

> > > salokya--living on the same planet;

> > > sarsti--having the same opulence; samipya--to be a

> > > personal associate; sarupya--having the same bodily

> > > features; ekatvam--oneness; api--also; uta--even;

> > > diyamanam--being offered; na--not; grhnanti--do

> > > accept; vina--without; mat--My; sevanam--devotional

> > > service; janah--pure devotees.

> > >

> > > TRANSLATION

> > >

> > > A pure devotee does not accept any kind of

> > > liberation--salokya, sarsti, samipya, sarupya or

> > > ekatva--even though they are offered by the Supreme

> > > Personality of Godhead. -

> > > http://vedabase.net/sb/3/29/13/en }

> > > ---

> > > Also, the point you mentioned regarding Gurudeva

> > > himself coming in search of individual soul is

> > > rarely found in the scriptures. Example is that of

> > > Srila Parikshit Maharaja, who is already a

> > > nitya-siddha (eternally liberated) devotee of

> > > Krishna.

> > >

> > > But for the general people, who are not on that

> > > level, there has to be a conscious effort on their

> > > part to approach a bona fide Guru. As mentioned by

> > > Shree Krishna to Arjuna in Bhagavad-Gita:

> > >

> > > {

> > > tad viddhi pranipatena

> > > pariprasnena sevaya

> > > upadeksyanti te jnanam

> > > jnaninas tattva-darsinah

> > > SYNONYMS

> > > tat--that knowledge of different sacrifices;

> > > viddhi--try to understand; pranipatena--by

> > > approaching a spiritual master; pariprasnena--by

> > > submissive inquiries; sevaya--by the rendering of

> > > service; upadeksyanti--initiate; te--unto you;

> > > jnanam--knowledge; jnaninah--the self-realized;

> > > tattva--truth; darsinah--the seers.

> > > TRANSLATION

> > > Just try to learn the truth by approaching a

> > > spiritual master. Inquire from him submissively and

> > > render service unto him. The self-realized soul can

> > > impart knowledge unto you because he has seen the

> > > truth. - http://asitis.com/4/34.html }

> > >

> > > These are just the points that came to my mind

> > > when I read your posting. Apologies, if I have said

> > > something wrong.

> > >

> > > Shree Krishna Sharnam Mama!

> > > ~Krishnadasa.

> > >

> > === message truncated ===

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> ________

> > Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your

> story. Play Sims Stories at Games.

> > http://sims./

> >

 

> Choose the right car based on your needs. Check out Autos

new Car Finder tool.

>