[Guruvayur/Guruvayoor] Clarification about Guruvayoor Devaprasnam .

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Krishna , Guruvayoorappa ! Dear Bhakthas ,

I am not interested to argue with anyone who does not accept the divine "Will " of Guruvayoorappan . If such people accuse me a "Textile owner near Guruvayoor Temple" or "Mentally Unsound" , I don't care . Actually , I am lower than that . I am a Beggar who lives on alms from my Ishta-Devan Sree Krishna .

What to say , if somebody considers the "Devaprasnam" as fake "Kavadi-Nirathal " ( spreading of dices) by Street-Astrologers ! . What to tell , if they accuse renowned Vedic-Scholars like Irinjalakkuda Padmanabha Sharma and Paravoor Sreedharan Thanthri as brokers of Devaswom-Contractors and Textile Owners ! .

Those Bhakthas who have some about the Devaprasnam may please note the following:

 

Each Jyothishi was selected individually on the basis of his reputation .

The Jyothishis represented all classes such as Brahamana, Kshatriya , Vaisya , Sudra and Avarna .

The `Avarna' Jyothishi , Paravaoor Sreedharan Thanthri is the winner of this year's "Amritha Keerthi Award " in recognition of his contributions to Kshethra-Thanthram and Jyothisham . He is the founder of Sree Narayana Thanthra Vidya Peettam at Paravoor , Author of Several books on Thanthram and Jyothisham , and a Practising Thanthri of many major Temples .

Only those Jyothishis who have adequate "Sadhana" to interpret Divine Will , participated in "Devaprasnam". They were pure "Daivajnas" . Since it was for Bhagavan , they didn't ask Fee . Some "Daivajnas" accepted just a coin as a " token-Daskshina" while others accepted what they were given . They considered it as a SEVA to Guruvayoorappan and not an opportunity to earn money .

The unnecessary "Devaprasnam" held last year at Sabarimala was arranged by the Devaswam Board without Thanthri's consent . It was conducted without invoking the Deity and without proper rituals . Therefore it can not be mis-quoted to rubbish the process of "Devaprasnam" as a whole .

The Guruvayoor Devaprasnam was decided by all concerned parties . It was long-overdue and the accidents and inauspicious omens were a matter of concern to all . From beginning to end it was held strictly in accordance with the "Shastras" . In reality , the "Devaprasnam-ritual" comprised of the following:

 

Thanthric rituals by Thanthris and Mel-Shanthi to invoke Guruvayoorappan and His Upadevas .

Sadhana of "Daivajnas" .

"Prardhana" of Bhakthas .

Revelation of Divine Will by Guruvayoorappan & Upadevas .

The comprehensive "Vichinthanam" (analysis) by Daivajnas have covered all aspects of each topic . They always encouraged the participants to raise questions. And clarified all the queries satisfactorily to arrive at a unanimous conclusion on each topic .

The divinity of this Devaprasnam was confirmed by the following events :

 

Revelation about Death and Suicide , were proved correct .

When it was revealed about the imminent threat to Temple , as advised by the "Daivajnas", a "Samooha- Prarthana"( Social Prayer) was held by Thantrees , Poojaris , Devaswom Staff and Bhakthas . Auspicious "nimithams" like the appearance of Malliyoor Thirumeni , occurred the next day it self .

Publicity-crazy leaders like Sukumar-Azhikkode's claims on Guruvayoorappan's rejection of " Kshethra- Acharas" were proved wrong . When that man accused the "Astrologers" of spitting on Indian culture and demanded their whipping and kicking-out , the "Daivajnas" proved their `sattvic-nature' by ignoring the tirade . The "Daivajnas" invited all skeptics to debate the Findings on the basis of "Shastras" . But no Critic came forward to challenge .

Om Namo Narayanya!!! May Guruvayoorappan protect His Temple and His Bhkthas !!!

Krishnadaya.

----------guruvayur , GANAPATHY RAMAN <agraman62 wrote:>> Dear Krishna daya or dasa,> > I am not a skeptic Hindu as you imagine as you hv no idea abt me even after long association but I am a practical man and not unduly give credence to certain things which I feel not to my liking.This is not to digress your belief or anybody's but only my views.It is ok if you hv a different set of convictions and your clarifications though look nice can't be vouchsafed.Anyway it is always a pleasure to hv argument with you as many things come out of your bag though you can't expect all to accept your views.Whoever not agreeing your views you say are communists or atheists and such a notion must hv stemmed out of your > personal experience.So you must change such notions.I say this as your well wisher.Sometimes your blind faith take you to different mode of thinking which is not palatable.You are my good friend and always I wish the same.As you used to say we shall agree to disagree on things which we differ.Anyway for your happiness I appreciate your clarifications.I don't hv any ill will against you and just expressed my thoughts which you may not like but never dub all people who are not agreeing with your views as communists or anti Hindus.Such mind set up is really pathetic and shows some type of mental aberration.God Bless.> > > agraman.> > krishnadaya krishnadaya wrote:> Krishna , Guruvayoorappa . Dear Bhakthas , > I do agree that many skeptic Hindus have the same views given below by Sri.Ganapathy Ramanji . Let me clarify as follows : > > "Devaprasnam " a Sacred Ritual > I still remember one event in my Childhood . My Father who was a member of the Temple-Committee just returned after meeting Sree ,Cheppad Kaimal , a Vedic Jyothishi . It was to invite him for a "Devaprasnam" to be conducted in the Temple . Father told us that , the Jyothishi had noted various details such as , the exact time of their arrival , what they said first , " nimithams" ( symptoms in place) , etc . We all were seeing `Devaprasnam' the first time and therefore all these were new to us . > After conducting necessary rituals to invoke the Deity , `Devaprasnam' started . The revelations of the Deity in the "Devaprasnam" stunned every one . It revealed hitherto unknown information such as immoral activities inside the Temple by the Convener and his Female assistant , Misconducts by the Priest , Routine urination inside the Temple by an old Neighbour , etc, etc . It even found out the exact address of our original Family-temple about 150 Km away , which no one knew till then . > As revealed by the Deity in the `Devaprasnam' , the total structure of the Temple-set up changed soon . Today , it is one of the main Temples of our area and it's present Thanthri is Kantararu Rajeevararu ( Sabarimala-Thanthri ) . > After the above events , I got opportunities to involve with some other `Devaprasnams' as well , and what I have learnt from it , convinced me about the reliability of `Devaprasnam ` . We don't have any other system in place to know the will of the Deity . > I remember one more event . About 20 years back , in Sabarimala , a major Construction was proposed but it was rejected in the "Devaprasnam" . It was revealed that , if proceeded the modification will cause death. ( Cheppad Kaimal was one Jyothishi) . However, then Board and it's Contractor ignored it and proceeded to complete the works . Within next 3 months , the Contractor became bankrupt and committed suicide . Later , the Board President ( a leading Politician) too lost his post and died miserably . > > Guruvayoor Devaprasnam > The Guruvayoor Devaprasnam is conducted after 17 years . Usually it is conducted after every 12 years, to know the condition of "Äshtabandham" and other status . However , the recommendations of the previous `Devaprasnam' had not been implemented fully and therefore the Board was postponing it . Recently , several accidents happened in Guruvayoor . This include frequent violent behavior of Temple Elephants , Falling down of "Thidambu" (Festival Deity) from Elephant's top , Several Deaths inside the Temple Pond and inside the Temple premises , Quarrels , Thefts, etc, etc . The Guruvayoor Devaswom Board is composed of Government Nominees , Administrator ( Govt. Employee) and Traditional Members like Samoothiri Raja , Thanthri , one representative of Traditional Temple Staff , etc . The Government Nominees are Marxists who have no faith in God . They are interested only in looting the Temple funds and undermining it's spirituality . For this , they appointed many of> their atheistic Comrades as Temple staff. They are the ones who corrupted the other staff as well . Even Immoral activities and Alcohol-consumption became frequent in the Temple . > > Eminent Jyothishis Conducted the Guruavayoor Devaprasnam . > Irinjalakkuda Padmanabha Sharma was the lead `Jyothishi ' and he was assisted by Paravoor Sreedharan Thanthri, Ravunni Panicker, Nagilassery Raghavan Nair, Cherode Narayana Panicker, Manappuzha Raman Namboothiri, Soman Panicker, Jayaraj Panicker and Prasanth Menon . They are presently the most reputed Vedic Jyothishis in Kerala . Majority of them are qualified Thanthris as well . > 4. The Best Devaprasnam in Recent Times > The `Devaprasnam' was started only after performing necessary Vedic rituals like (81) days long Bhagavathy Seva , Ganapathy Homam , Maha-Mrithunjaya Homam , etc . The Deity of Guruvayoorappan was duly invoked by the Thanthri prior to starting the "Devaprasnam". > It was predicted on the first day that there would be deaths in the Temple during the "Devaprasnam" . It proved correct , as two deaths and one attempted suicide took place . > No commercial aspect is attributed to this "Devaprasnam" . They just revealed Bhagavan's will as it is without any fear or favor . It takes to task every one including the Board , Thantri, Poojaris, Staff , etc , etc . No one was spared . It is a sin to doubt the integrity of these `Sattvic-Karma Yogis' . May Guruvayoorappan shower His choicest blessings on these Acharyas !!!. > Bhagavan has revealed that , He doesn't want Churidar and such foreign dresses inside the Temple . He wants no change on the "Kshethra-Acharas" . > I fully agree with the revelations . Most Women are not wearing the Churidar in a decent way in side the Temple . The use of Shawl is out of fashion ; and consequently they appear to be exposed . When we see a Woman in traditional dress inside the Temple , she reminds us of Bhagavathy . Let the sacred system continue as it is . > A Personal Note : > My Bhakthy-Yoga is founded on what I learnt from my Parents , Elders and the Acharyas with whom I have associated . As a `Padasevak' of Bhagavan Krishna , I just act according to His will . > Bhagavan Sree Krishna says in Bhagavatam 11.7.23 " Although I, the Supreme Lord can never be captured by ordinary sense perception , those situated in human life may use their intelligence and other faculties of perception to directly search for Me through both apparent and indirectly ascertained symptoms " . > Om Namo narayanaya !!! > --------> guruvayur , GANAPATHY RAMAN agraman62@ wrote:> >> > I thought Krishnadaya is a person with good knowledge.However after accepting what some astrologers said and accepting the same as said in Vedas he has gone away from tangent and exhibited his ignorance abt the wishes of Sri > > Guruvayurappan.Really pathetic to succumb to such obnoxious findings of the astrologers in the form of Devaprasnam and one who does not accept the same to be treated as atheist or marxist.I feel sorry for a knowledgeable person like > > Krishnadaya.How on earth he finds that the same are the wishes of Sri > > Guruvayurappan.Many factors like cleanliness,renovation,reshaping of the existing things can be known to all and the Board has to do it with its enormous funds and there is no necessity to invoke Lord for making the temple a really spiritual abode.For that purpose there is no necessity for Devaprasnam for a number of days and debates spending enormous amount and with that all the things could hv been rectified.It is really pitiable that Krishnadaya has become a victim for such things and dubbing people who say anything against ascommunists.I think he is living in the vedic age.Sorry for for my harsh comments but be practical Krishnadaya.In what way it affects you whether a lady wears churidar instead of saree etc .I hpe you are not running any textile shop near the temple.Bhagawan has never said anything.Why you find fault with that?For your info I don't hv any churidar or other shop.Really sorry abt your anxiety which is nothing but a matter for pity.This is not to> > remove your faith which is not my intention but just to keep you informed about the changing times and the necessity for that as change is the order of the day and devotees > > from many States can't be expected to wear sarees etc.and Guruvayurappan is not confined Deity only to those of Kerala.All temples everywhere change the customs according to times and Adi Sankara too never said that only those things shuld be followed.It is all the things stemmed out of the peoles's mind who hv got their own interest uppermost.Regarding other things you hv noted I don't hv the patience to read and so not making any comments.But don't drag the intrepretations of astrologers whatever be their qualifications as the wish of Guruvayurappan as they themselves won't be sure except by intrepreting some planetary positions which hv got nothing to to do with the Cosmic Power that is > > Sri Guruvayurappan.Anyway I appreciate your interest on the subject which is not worthwhile to spend time.> > > > > > krishnadaya krishnadaya@ wrote:> > Krishna, Guruvayoorappa ! , Dear Bhakthas , > > The Eight day long Guruvayoor "Ashtmangala Devaprasnam" was successfully completed yesterday ( 07 Nov. ) . > > What was performed yesterday was verifying Guruvayoorappan's will on the proposed remedial measures . As solution to each of the discovered shortcomings , an offering was proposed with a prayer to the concerned Devatha , and verified His/Her acceptance or rejection, through the analysis of "Rasi" .> > 1. At first , praying Guruvayoorappan , it was proposed to submit at His Sopanam, "Bhadradeepam" in Silver pot with "Suvarnakshatha" inside it , Palpayasam worth Rs.1001, "Thrikkaivenna" , "Thrumudimala" , Milk, and Sugar . These will be submitted by the Temple's Ooralan , Othikkanmar , Keezh-Shaanthis, and Other traditional Staff . And after submitting it they all will admit their mistakes to Bhagavan , apologize to Him , and prostrate at His feet , seeking Bhagavan's forgiveness . In the "Rasi" , "Vyazham" ( Guru) was found in the 9th house . This auspicious revelation confirmed that , Guruvayoorappan is satisfied with the proposed Offerings and Remedial Measures . > > 2. In the Mammiyoor Temple , "Rudradhara" & "Pinvilakku" to Siva, "Palpayasam" to Vishnu , and relevant offerings to the other Devathas in Mammiyoor and to the Deities in associated Temples , other nearby Temples, Kannur Idakkad Temple, and Irinjalakkuda Koodal Manikyam Temple , were proposed . It was found to be acceptable to Them . > > Remedial Measures > > The following Remedial measures were proposed and found to be acceptable to Bhagavan and the Upadevathas : > > 1. The Defective Golden Flag Pole shall be replaces with a New one , within next (13) months . > > 2. In the Devawom Guest house compound , a "Valkannadi " ( Mirror Image) to be consecrated on the "Karimkali Thara"( Platform for Karimkali Deity) . And yearly Pooja to be offered there after laying Padmam ( lotus) . > > 3. On the Ekadasi day , the procession to the East should halt at it's previous end point " Theeyyar Ambalam" , offer salutations there before proceeding to the Parthasarathy Temple for "Irakkiyezhunnallathu" .> > 4. To eliminate the "Sarpa-Dosham" ( ill-effects caused by Serpents) , a golden Sepent-image , and "Puttum" shall be submitted at "Pambumekkavu Mana " ( Temple-Abode of Serpents) . > > 5. Symbolic Offering of Elephant to be performed . > > 6. To eliminate the ill- effects for the misdeeds of all those associated with the Temple , Devaswom board should conduct every year, "Maha-Sudarshana Homam" ( 96,000 chants) , "Thila-havanam" (1,00,000 chants) , "Sukrutha-Homam" and 12 days long "Ganapthy-Homams" . Also , "Kalkachikichuttu" ( with 108 "Ashtothara shatanamam") and "Vilichucholli-prayachittham" will be carried out . As a remedy for various types of Curses , "Murahomam" will be performed every year . Also "Maha-Mrithunjaya Homam" and "Bhagavathy Seva" shall be performed every year . > > 7. Every year , a "Sukrutha-Homam" shall be performed with 24, 000 chants of Gayathri-Manthra , to increase the "Sukrutha" of Temple . > > 8. Thanthri , himself shall decide and perform his "Prayachittham" ( atonement) to Bhagavan .> > 9. Any money offered on the "Thrippadi" ( step to Sreekovil) , belongs to Bhagavan . > > 10. As an atonement of Go-sapa ( Curse of Cows) it was first proposed to offer a Cow to Bhagavathy . But , it was not found sufficient . So , a golden image of Cow will be offered to Bhagavathy . > > Note : > > > > It was re-confirmed that , Bhagavan does not accept any amendment to the existing "Kshetra-Acharas" . > > Before , the conclusion of Devaprasnam two Members of the Devaswom Managing Committee raised objections . Mr. M.M.Vasudevan alleged that , some of the findings and remedial measures revealed in the Devaprasnam will pull us to 200 years back just for the sake of Acharas . Prof. T.R. Harry stated that , the Girl-students in his college had asked him whether Churidar could be permitted in side the Temple . > > The Lead Jyothishi , Padmanabha Sharma calmly pointed out that , the Dress Codes of Educational institutions are not suitable for Temple . While coming to the Temple for Darshan , all Bhakthas should follow the Dress Code that is prescribed for the Temple . He reiterated that , Guruvayoorappan rejects all sorts of changes to the time-proven "Kshetra-Acharas" . Also , he invited all skeptics to come to the dais to have a debate on the basis of Vedic Injunctions . > > The above said , two Members ( who are Marxist Nominees in the Director Board) started yelling "Times have progressed . Churidar must be allowed inside the Temple " . > > This infuriated the Bhakthas present there . They declared in one voice " What matters is Guruvayoorappan's will alone . And not the wishes of Others . We do not need Bhagavan-Haters in Guruvayoor Temple , anymore " . > > As the situation became vociferous , and the mentioned Atheists were looking for an escape route , Padmanabha Sharma , the Lead Jyothishi pacified the Bhakthas , assuring them that Guruvayoorappan's will shall prevail . > > Findings ( 31 Oct. -- 06 Nov. ) . > > Summary > > > > Bhagavan is upset over the violation of "Kshethra Acharas" , Desecration of Temple , Immoral activities inside the Temple , etc by God-haters . Possible, Bomb/Fire/Riot might cause mass killing in or outside the Temple . > > Thanthri is Bhagavan's Representative . What he says is to be accepted by everyone . > > Golden Flag Pole is defective . Temple- Elephants may pull it down . > > No entry to Non-Hindus . Only those having full faith in Deity worship and Kshethra-Acharas , shall enter the Temple. > > No change in the Temple's Dress Code . Churidar is unacceptable . It has already caused violence by Elephants . It's continuation will cause death and destruction to all responsible for it . > > Upadeva Ganesha's Moorthy and Temple are defective . Renovation , required for His Temple . > > Bhgagavan's Cows were stolen and killed . Serious Go-Shapa will cause calamities . > > Guruvayoor Temple should be treated as an important Shrine in the whole Country and any adverse thing happening to the Temple would have its fallout on the entire Nation .> > Deratiled Findings > > 1. Bhagavan stressed the need to rectify certain structural defects found in the golden Flag Pole of the Temple . It's foundation is damaged due to the attack of insects . Flag Pole is the abode of Bhagavan's vehicle Garuda . It has been dislocated and tilted . If one measures from it's footing to "veeraknadam" (upper portion) , the dislocation can be found out . if the defective Flag Pole is not replaced with a new one , the present Flag Pole will be pulled down by Temple Elephants .> > 2. Bhagavan wants the Temple to set up Facilities for the study of Sanskrit and Vedas . The Vedas are very important to Guruvayoor Temple . Necessary Facilities should be provided for higher education of Sanskrit . > > 3. Ordinary Bhaktas should not face any hurdle in worshipping Bhagavan due to restrictions made in the name of VIP visits . At present , such difficulties exist and certain Temple staff are behaving rudely with the Bhkthas . This is absolutely unacceptable . Bhagavan is always pleased by the Bhakthy of Common man . > > 4. Bhagavan does not want , more than one `Udayasthamana Pooja' in a day . > > 5. The Building in side the Temple premises can be taller than the Temple . But it's floor level should be lower than that of Temple . On such floor , any number of storeys can be constructed . This has no relation with the height of Flag Pole . Considering the roads around the Temple as boundary limits, this condition should be adhered to . > > 6. Materials once used for "Thulabharam" can be used again . However, the decayed materials should not be used . > > 7. The water from the "Manikkinar" ( Temple's well ) , can be used for Thulabharam . > > 8. The future of Bhagavan's presence in Guruvayoor Temple is bright . The present unpleasant issues can be resolved by "Prayrachitham" (Atonement rituals) . These remedial measures must be completed within one year . > > ( Note - : Some Devotees brought to the Jyothishis' attention , criticisms in the media against the Jyothishis . But the Jyothishis preferred not to discuss it with Bhagavan . They stated " This Devaprasnam is being conducted strictly according to the Scriptural Injunctions and associated Vedic Shaastras . We are ready to answer any doubts on this . In stead of that , if some one wants to arrest us , we are helpless . ) > > > > The "Suvarna-Dwajam" ( Golden Flag Pole ) is not vertical and it is in damaged condition . It's present position too is not correct . This may cause Serious Dangers . > > Thanthri ( Temple-Acharya ) is not issuing necessary instructions on time. He feels that, what he says will upset the concerned Authorities ; especially since , what he told in the past were ignored totally . Bhagavan is furious over this situation . > > Some Devotees pointed out that , Udayastamana Pooja is performed for a single person only ; And therefore is it necessary to close and open the Sreekovil-Door for it ? . > > Bhagavan replied that , Poojas are not for one Person only . More Udayasthamana Poojas and Thanthric rites are for increasing the `Deva çhaithanyam' (aura) . > > The "Pillaru-Thalappoly " ( Ritualistic Offerings on a plate , by children) , being conducted by the local group , is very satisfying to Bhagavathy ( Upadevi , Durga) . > > The Turmeric powder being offered to Bhagavathy , has less purity . > > Bhagavathy does not need "Kunkuma-archana" . > > In the Devawom guest house , a "Karimkaalithara" ( platform for `Karimkaali –Deity ' ) is to be provided . > > A particular person from the " Othikkan " (Traditional Poojari) family, is continuously showing disrespect to the position of Thanthri . Bhagavan is upset over this . If this is not stopped immediately , there will be dire consequences . > > In the previous Devawom Cow-Shelter "Kaaveedu" , some Cows were killed . In order to avoid it's ill-effects in the new Cow-Shelter , "Kalasa Pooja" and other atonements to be performed for Bhagavathy . > > Some "KeezhShaantis" ( Assistant Poojaris) are not maintaining the necessary personal purity, required for Poojas . This is repeated many times . This will cause calamities in the "Thidappally" ( Platform in front of Sanctum Sanctorum) itself . > > Some Temple Staff are not performing their duties properly and are shifting it's blame to others . They are going for other assignments that fetches better income . Also , there is serious infighting among the Staff . > > Quoting verses from the "Kapilopadesa in Bhagavatham" , Justice Radhakrishna Menon raised doubts about the previous days revelations on rejection of Churidar . The Jyothishis re-confirmed with evidence that, Bhagavan does not like any amendment to the time-proven "Kshetra-Aachaaras" , in such unauthorized ways . > > Change in Dress Code> > ( History : On 27th July, Guruvayur Devaswom had relaxed the traditional Temple Dress code to allow Women Devotees to wear Churidar inside the Temple . Earlier, women could wear only dresses such as sari, set-mundu, half-sari and skirt and blouse to the Temple. Even if women wore kurtas to the shrine, they had to wear a `mundu' over the pyjamas. However , soon after the Marxist led agitations seeking amendment of "Kshetra Aachaaras' ( Temple customs) , the Marxist Devaswom Board President announced his decision to allow Churidar inside the Temple. Later this matter was taken up in the Board meeting wherein the Thantri sated his objection . But, the Board flatly refused to revoke it's public announcement and ordered the Thantri to shut up.) > > In the wake of Guruvayoorappan's objections to the changes in `Kshetra-Acharas ` , the recent change in Dress code was checked on the fifth day of `Devaprasnam' . During the `Acharyavaranakriya' , when a new cloth was brought , the Board Official instructed to cut it and fetch a small piece out of it . When the cloth was cut , it became ` Gana-vastra' which according to Jyothisha is used for post-death rituals . Based on this `nimitham' ( divine syndrome) , Jyothishis analysed further to find out Bhagavan's will . And the following was revealed :> > > > Devaswam officials had issued a strict instruction to the Thanthri and all concerned to allow Churidar inside the Temple . > > Thanthri was not allowed to raise his objection . Because of this , he could not seek Bhagavan's permission or conduct the Social Prayer necessary for seeking Bhagavan's consent for the change of ` Aachaara `. Therefore , instead of a natural change , Dewaswam's will was imposed on Thantri and Bhagavan . Next day, onwards Women started entering the Temple wearing Churidar which was unacceptable to Bhagavan . This resulted in the violent behavior of Temple-Elephants , Falling down of ` Thidambu'( Festival Deity) , etc . If this non-obedience is continued, it will be harmful to the Person wearing the Churidar and their families . It could result in premature deaths . Even, it could even harm the human kind as a whole . > > Guruvayoorappan wants His Bhaktas to wear simple traditional dress inside the Temple . Dresses like Churidar is `paradesi ` ( foreign) , which is unacceptable to Bhagavan. > > > > Devaswom Shelters for Old and Orphan Bhakthas > > Bhagavan reiterated His desire to accommodate and protect His Old and Orphan Bhakthas in a Shelter which should be constructed by Devaswom . He pointed out that , according to His instructions earlier , daily `Prasada Ooottu `( Feeding of the Bhakthas) was started for 500 Bhakthas . Now it is provided daily for 5000 Bhakthas . Likewise , the Shelter will also be a success . While this was discussed , Bhagavatha Hamsam Malliyoor Shankaran Namboothiri ( Guruvayoorappan's legendary Bhakta) , entered the dais of Devaprasnam . Jyothishis found this as the divine omen of Bhagavan''s presence there and Bhaktavalsala's compassion for His Devotees .> > > > In near future, the cloth of a person arriving for Darshan will be caught fire in the Temple . Also, in the Temple premises , one's wife will be killed by an Elephant or Cow . > > Devaswom Board must consider `Krishnanaattam' (which is very dear to Bhagavan) , as Sacred . In last two years , during Vijayadasami , the 9 days long `Krishnanaattam' is not conducted by Devaswam Board . Devotees are offering it . Devaswam must conduct this with faith . > > The "Koothambalam" (Auditorium for Temple Arts) is as important as the Temple . It must be cleaned daily and an Oil lamp to be lit there . > > The continuing atonement for removing the previous Temple-Acharyas Puliyannoor Family long back , to be performed properly . It is not carried out decently now . > > The Garland for Sreekovil , to be prepared in the Temple itself . > > Those working inside the Temple , must use decent Language . > > Efforts must be made to keep the Temple clean . > > The Daily Ritual " Olavaayana " ( A Warrier temple-staff writes the Day's Income and Expenses on a Palm Leaf and Reads it out to Bhagavan before the closure of Temple , every night ) , has been stopped . Instead it is issued in writing to Him , as a token gesture . Bhagavan is furious at this Cheating . Right from tonight (03 Nov) , "Olavaayana" must be resumed . > > The existing "Achaaraas'( Rituals and Practices of the Temple) can not be debated and amended by any ` Acharya-Sabha' ( Assembly of Vedic Acharyas and Experts) . They are to be adhered to as it is . > > The `Guru-parambara' relationship in the Temple, has been lost . > > The `Thidambu' ( Festival Moorthy) has fallen down . For that, `prayachitha' atonement was not done properly . > > Bhagavan is unhappy over the financial burden being imposed on His Bhakthas , by Devaswom Board's frequent increases in the material cost of Offerings . > > `Prasadam' is being sold in the Shops outside the Temple. > > There are defects in the Moorthy of Ganapathy , the Upadeva . Waste materials are stockpiled inside His temple . His displeasure will cause irritation to the Temple Elephants . Renovation of His temple needs to be done . > > The Construction works inside the Temple premises , were carried out without Bhagavan's consent . There are defects in those works . In matters of `Vastu' , the opinions of more than one Expert need to be sought . > > The relocated positions of Upadevas are not compatible with that of Flag staff . > > There are reductions in the Poojas . > > The Temple Pond has become impure . Many deaths have occurred therein already . It is not maintained as Sacred . > > Another Temple Pond having the Divine presence, was filled up totally . > > The sacred Ashoka tree near the Bhagavathy Temple was cut down . It's atonement needs to be done . > > The Coconuts once offered to Bhagavathy are offered to Her again and again to save cost and time . This is unacceptable to Her . > > Sastha , the Upadeva is unhappy due to lapses in His rituals . > > Although , the Temple Administrators and their Masters will try to block the proposed remedial measures , Bhagavan's grace will help to complete it . > > Guruvayoorappan is unhappy over the lapses in the " Kshethra-Acharas" ( Temple-Customs) . As a result, Bomb/Fire/Riots might cause mass deaths inside or just outside the Temple . > > `Deva-Chaithanyam' ( aura) is intact on the Deity which is unique . > > There will be sharp increase in the inflow of Devotees and Temple revenue . > > Guruvayoor Temple should be treated as an important Shrine in the whole Country and any adverse thing happening to the Temple would have its fallout on the entire Nation . > > Bhagavan's money is being misused by the concerned Officials . > > Certain Staff are involving in `Adharmic' ( unrighteous) activities inside Temple premises . > > Entry on Non-Hindus inside Temple , is unacceptable to Bhagavan . Devotees having firm faith in Deity worship and temple customs are the ones to enter the Temple . > > The Thanthri ( Acharya of the temple) , is not allowed by the Devaswom Officials to perform his duties properly . Because of this , Bhagavan is unhappy and the Thantri is very sad . Thanthri's Instructions are being ignored by the Administrators . Therefore, he is not giving anymore instructions . > > Temple Officials are misusing the Temple wealth . Both the previous and present Officials are guilty of sinful activities . Some Staff are entering the Temple after consuming Liquor . > > There is impurity in the `Nivedaya- items' being offered to Bhagavan . > > Bhagvan's favorite , Milk and Plantain Nivedyam have been stopped . > > In the Temple's Gokulam , Bhagavan;'s Cows are not looked after properly . Theft and even killing of Cows have occurred . `Go-Sapa' (Curse of Cows) exists . > > Within a few months , one Temple Elephant will die . > > Please forward this message to as many Bhakthas as possible . Let everyone pray Sree Guruvayoorappan .> > Om Namo Narayanaya !!! Please protect us , O Guruvayoor Bhagavan !!!!> > > > Krishnadaya . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Unlimited freedom, unlimited storage. 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Dear all,

Radhe Krishna!

 

It is painful to see different opinions and criticisms about the Deva

Prasnam. Every Prasnam is full of probabilities and the only way to

ascertain whether our actions are right or wrong is to go through a

procedure like that with implicit faith in it. Krishnadaya Rajeev

has taken immense pains to appraise us of the findings and we should be

thankful to him for all the troubles he has taken. Each person has to

have his or her opinion about any of thesae activities, but the

Devaswom authorities have to maintain a level of discipline in the

temple. And there is no other way of finding out, other than the

prasnam. I may have my own opinion about all such activities, but I

keep them to myself and not enter into controversies. We visit the

temple once in a way and we should stick to the discipline which the

authorities have decided upon. There is no point in questioning them,

as it is not possible for the temple authorities to ask each person and

allow him to do whatever he/she wants it in each individual's way.

 

The Lord is common to all. All our actions are guided by His will,

including te Deva-prasnam. Let us therefore, take all these with

equanimity. Let us have devotion to the Lord. That is more

important. A firm believer in Him can see Him in his/her own mind's

eye, and need not even go to the temple to pray, on reaching such

maturity of thinking and purity of mind.. Such individuals can

visualise the God in him/her and pray to Him, stting at one's own

place. But once we enter the premises of the temple, we should adhere

to the rules, and not question them.

 

My request to the group is to refrain from personal criticisms and take

things with maturity of thinking.

 

Regards

KVG.

 

 

 

 

GANAPATHY RAMAN wrote:

 

 

Dear Krishna daya or dasa,

 

I am not a skeptic Hindu as you imagine as you hv no idea abt me

even after long association but I am a practical man and not unduly

give credence to certain things which I feel not to my liking.This is

not to digress your belief or anybody's but only my views.It is ok if

you hv a different set of convictions and your clarifications though

look nice can't be vouchsafed.Anyway it is always a pleasure to hv

argument with you as many things come out of your bag though you can't

expect all to accept your views.Whoever not agreeing your views you say

are communists or atheists and such a notion must hv stemmed out of

your

personal experience.So you must change such notions.I say this

as your well wisher.Sometimes your blind faith take you to different

mode of thinking which is not palatable.You are my good friend and

always I wish the same.As you used to say we shall agree to disagree on

things which we differ.Anyway for your happiness I appreciate your

clarifications.I don't hv any ill will against you and just

expressed my thoughts which you may not like but never dub all people

who are not agreeing with your views as communists or anti Hindus.Such

mind set up is really pathetic and shows some type of mental

aberration.God Bless.

 

 

agraman.

 

krishnadaya <krishnadaya > wrote:

 

 

 

Krishna , Guruvayoorappa . Dear

Bhakthas ,

I do agree that many

skeptic Hindus have the same views given below by Sri.Ganapathy Ramanji

.. Let me clarify as follows :

 

"Devaprasnam " a Sacred

Ritual

 

I still remember one

event in my Childhood . My Father who was a member of the

Temple-Committee just returned after meeting Sree

,Cheppad Kaimal , a Vedic Jyothishi . It was to invite him for

a "Devaprasnam" to be conducted in the Temple .

Father told us that , the Jyothishi had noted various details

such as , the exact time of their arrival , what they said first , "

nimithams" ( symptoms in place) , etc . We all were seeing `Devaprasnam'

the first time and therefore all these were new to us .

After conducting

necessary rituals to invoke the Deity , `Devaprasnam' started . The

revelations of the Deity in the "Devaprasnam" stunned every one . It

revealed hitherto unknown information such as immoral activities inside

the Temple by the Convener and his Female assistant ,

Misconducts by the Priest , Routine urination inside the

Temple by an old Neighbour , etc, etc . It

even found out the exact address of our original Family-temple about

150 Km away , which no one knew till then .

As revealed by the Deity

in the `Devaprasnam' , the total structure of the Temple-set

up changed soon . Today , it is one of the main Temples

of our area and it's present Thanthri is Kantararu Rajeevararu (

Sabarimala-Thanthri ) .

After the above events ,

I got opportunities to involve with some other `Devaprasnams' as well ,

and what I have learnt from it , convinced me about the reliability of

`Devaprasnam ` . We don't have any other system in place to

know the will of the Deity .

I remember one more event

.. About 20 years back , in Sabarimala , a major

Construction was proposed but it was rejected in the "Devaprasnam" .

It was revealed that , if proceeded the modification will cause

death. ( Cheppad Kaimal was one Jyothishi) . However,

then Board and it's Contractor ignored it and proceeded to complete

the works . Within next 3 months , the Contractor

became bankrupt and committed suicide . Later , the Board

President ( a leading Politician) too lost his post and

died miserably .

 

Guruvayoor Devaprasnam

 

The Guruvayoor

Devaprasnam is conducted after 17 years . Usually it is

conducted after every 12 years, to know the condition of "Äshtabandham"

and other status . However , the recommendations

of the previous `Devaprasnam' had not been implemented fully and

therefore the Board was postponing it . Recently , several

accidents happened in Guruvayoor . This include frequent

violent behavior of Temple Elephants , Falling down of

"Thidambu" (Festival Deity) from

Elephant's top , Several Deaths inside the Temple Pond and inside the

Temple premises , Quarrels , Thefts, etc, etc . The Guruvayoor

Devaswom Board is composed of Government Nominees , Administrator (

Govt. Employee) and Traditional Members like Samoothiri Raja , Thanthri

, one representative of Traditional Temple Staff , etc .

The Government Nominees are Marxists who have no faith in God .

They are interested only in looting the Temple

funds and undermining it's spirituality .

For this , they appointed many of their atheistic Comrades

as Temple staff. They are the ones who

corrupted the other staff as well . Even Immoral

activities and Alcohol-consumption became frequent in

the Temple .

 

Eminent Jyothishis

Conducted the Guruavayoor Devaprasnam .

 

Irinjalakkuda Padmanabha

Sharma was the lead `Jyothishi ' and he was assisted by Paravoor

Sreedharan Thanthri, Ravunni Panicker, Nagilassery Raghavan Nair,

Cherode Narayana Panicker, Manappuzha Raman Namboothiri, Soman

Panicker, Jayaraj Panicker and Prasanth Menon . They are

presently the most reputed Vedic Jyothishis in Kerala

.. Majority of them are qualified Thanthris as well .

4. The Best

Devaprasnam in Recent Times

The `Devaprasnam' was

started only after performing necessary Vedic rituals like (81) days

long Bhagavathy Seva , Ganapathy Homam , Maha-Mrithunjaya Homam , etc

.. The Deity of Guruvayoorappan was duly invoked by the Thanthri prior

to starting the "Devaprasnam".

It was predicted on the

first day that there would be deaths in the Temple

during the "Devaprasnam" . It

proved correct , as two deaths and one attempted suicide took place .

 

No commercial aspect is

attributed to this "Devaprasnam" . They just

revealed Bhagavan's will as it is without any fear or favor .

It takes to task every one including the Board , Thantri,

Poojaris, Staff , etc , etc . No one was spared . It is

a sin to doubt the integrity of these `Sattvic-Karma Yogis' . May

Guruvayoorappan shower His choicest blessings on these Acharyas !!!.

Bhagavan has revealed

that , He doesn't want Churidar and such foreign dresses inside the Temple

.. He wants no change on the "Kshethra-Acharas" .

I fully agree with the

revelations . Most Women are not wearing the

Churidar in a decent way in side the Temple

. The use of Shawl is out of fashion ; and

consequently they appear to be exposed .

When we see a Woman in traditional dress inside the Temple

, she reminds us of Bhagavathy . Let the sacred

system continue as it is .

A Personal Note :

My Bhakthy-Yoga is

founded on what I learnt from my Parents , Elders and the Acharyas with

whom I have associated . As a `Padasevak' of Bhagavan Krishna

, I just act according to His will .

Bhagavan Sree Krishna

says in Bhagavatam 11.7.23 " Although

I, the Supreme Lord can never be captured by ordinary sense perception

, those situated in human life may use their intelligence and other

faculties of perception to directly search for Me through both apparent

and indirectly ascertained symptoms " .

Om Namo

narayanaya !!!

--------

guruvayur , GANAPATHY RAMAN <agraman62

wrote:

>

> I thought Krishnadaya is a person with good knowledge.However

after accepting what some astrologers said and accepting the same as

said in Vedas he has gone away from tangent and exhibited his ignorance

abt the wishes of Sri

> Guruvayurappan.Really pathetic to succumb to such obnoxious

findings of the astrologers in the form of Devaprasnam and one who does

not accept the same to be treated as atheist or marxist.I feel sorry

for a knowledgeable person like

> Krishnadaya.How on earth he finds that the same are the

wishes of Sri

> Guruvayurappan.Many factors like cleanliness,renovation,reshaping

of the existing things can be known to all and the Board has to do it

with its enormous funds and there is no necessity to invoke Lord for

making the temple a really spiritual abode.For that purpose there is no

necessity for Devaprasnam for a number of days and debates spending

enormous amount and with that all the things could hv been rectified.It

is really pitiable that Krishnadaya has become a victim for such things

and dubbing people who say anything against ascommunists.I think

he is living in the vedic age.Sorry for for my harsh comments but be

practical Krishnadaya.In what way it affects you whether a lady

wears churidar instead of saree etc .I hpe you are not running any

textile shop near the temple.Bhagawan has never said anything.Why you

find fault with that?For your info I don't hv any churidar or other

shop.Really sorry abt your anxiety which is nothing but a matter for

pity.This is not to

> remove your faith which is not my intention but just to keep you

informed about the changing times and the necessity for that as change

is the order of the day and devotees

> from many States can't be expected to wear sarees etc.and

Guruvayurappan is not confined Deity only to those of Kerala.All

temples everywhere change the customs according to times and Adi

Sankara too never said that only those things shuld be followed.It is

all the things stemmed out of the peoles's mind who hv got their own

interest uppermost.Regarding other things you hv noted I don't hv the

patience to read and so not making any comments.But don't drag the

intrepretations of astrologers whatever be their qualifications as the

wish of Guruvayurappan as they themselves won't be sure except by

intrepreting some planetary positions which hv got nothing to to do

with the Cosmic Power that is

> Sri Guruvayurappan.Anyway I appreciate your interest on the

subject which is not worthwhile to spend time.

>

>

> krishnadaya krishnadaya wrote:

> Krishna, Guruvayoorappa ! , Dear Bhakthas ,

> The Eight day long Guruvayoor "Ashtmangala Devaprasnam" was

successfully completed yesterday ( 07 Nov. ) .

> What was performed yesterday was verifying Guruvayoorappan's

will on the proposed remedial measures . As solution to each of the

discovered shortcomings , an offering was proposed with a prayer to the

concerned Devatha , and verified His/Her acceptance or rejection,

through the analysis of "Rasi" .

> 1. At first , praying Guruvayoorappan , it was proposed to submit

at His Sopanam, "Bhadradeepam" in Silver pot with "Suvarnakshatha"

inside it , Palpayasam worth Rs.1001, "Thrikkaivenna" , "Thrumudimala"

, Milk, and Sugar . These will be submitted by the Temple's Ooralan ,

Othikkanmar , Keezh-Shaanthis, and Other traditional Staff . And after

submitting it they all will admit their mistakes to Bhagavan ,

apologize to Him , and prostrate at His feet , seeking Bhagavan's

forgiveness . In the "Rasi" , "Vyazham" ( Guru) was found in the 9th

house . This auspicious revelation confirmed that , Guruvayoorappan is

satisfied with the proposed Offerings and Remedial Measures .

> 2. In the Mammiyoor Temple , "Rudradhara" & "Pinvilakku" to

Siva, "Palpayasam" to Vishnu , and relevant offerings to the other

Devathas in Mammiyoor and to the Deities in associated Temples , other

nearby Temples, Kannur Idakkad Temple, and Irinjalakkuda Koodal

Manikyam Temple , were proposed . It was found to be acceptable to Them

..

> Remedial Measures

> The following Remedial measures were proposed and found to be

acceptable to Bhagavan and the Upadevathas :

> 1. The Defective Golden Flag Pole shall be replaces with a New one

, within next (13) months .

> 2. In the Devawom Guest house compound , a "Valkannadi " ( Mirror

Image) to be consecrated on the "Karimkali Thara"( Platform for

Karimkali Deity) . And yearly Pooja to be offered there after laying

Padmam ( lotus) .

> 3. On the Ekadasi day , the procession to the East should halt at

it's previous end point " Theeyyar Ambalam" , offer salutations there

before proceeding to the Parthasarathy Temple for "Irakkiyezhunnallathu"

..

> 4. To eliminate the "Sarpa-Dosham" ( ill-effects caused by

Serpents) , a golden Sepent-image , and "Puttum" shall be submitted at

"Pambumekkavu Mana " ( Temple-Abode of Serpents) .

> 5. Symbolic Offering of Elephant to be performed .

> 6. To eliminate the ill- effects for the misdeeds of all those

associated with the Temple , Devaswom board should conduct every year,

"Maha-Sudarshana Homam" ( 96,000 chants) , "Thila-havanam" (1,00,000

chants) , "Sukrutha-Homam" and 12 days long "Ganapthy-Homams" . Also ,

"Kalkachikichuttu" ( with 108 "Ashtothara shatanamam") and

"Vilichucholli-prayachittham" will be carried out . As a remedy

for various types of Curses , "Murahomam" will be performed every year

.. Also "Maha-Mrithunjaya Homam" and "Bhagavathy Seva" shall be

performed every year .

> 7. Every year , a "Sukrutha-Homam" shall be performed with 24, 000

chants of Gayathri-Manthra , to increase the "Sukrutha" of Temple .

> 8. Thanthri , himself shall decide and perform his "Prayachittham"

( atonement) to Bhagavan .

> 9. Any money offered on the "Thrippadi" ( step to Sreekovil) ,

belongs to Bhagavan .

> 10. As an atonement of Go-sapa ( Curse of Cows) it was first

proposed to offer a Cow to Bhagavathy . But , it was not found

sufficient . So , a golden image of Cow will be offered to Bhagavathy .

 

> Note :

>

> It was re-confirmed that , Bhagavan does not accept any amendment

to the existing "Kshetra-Acharas" .

> Before , the conclusion of Devaprasnam two Members of the Devaswom

Managing Committee raised objections . Mr. M.M.Vasudevan alleged that ,

some of the findings and remedial measures revealed in the Devaprasnam

will pull us to 200 years back just for the sake of Acharas . Prof.

T.R. Harry stated that , the Girl-students in his college had asked him

whether Churidar could be permitted in side the Temple .

> The Lead Jyothishi , Padmanabha Sharma calmly pointed out that ,

the Dress Codes of Educational institutions are not suitable for Temple

.. While coming to the Temple for Darshan , all Bhakthas should follow

the Dress Code that is prescribed for the Temple . He reiterated that ,

Guruvayoorappan rejects all sorts of changes to the time-proven

"Kshetra-Acharas" . Also , he invited all skeptics to come to the dais

to have a debate on the basis of Vedic Injunctions .

> The above said , two Members ( who are Marxist Nominees in the Board) started yelling "Times have progressed . Churidar must

be allowed inside the Temple " .

> This infuriated the Bhakthas present there . They declared in one

voice " What matters is Guruvayoorappan's will alone . And not the

wishes of Others . We do not need Bhagavan-Haters in Guruvayoor Temple

, anymore " .

> As the situation became vociferous , and the mentioned Atheists

were looking for an escape route , Padmanabha Sharma , the Lead

Jyothishi pacified the Bhakthas , assuring them that Guruvayoorappan's

will shall prevail .

> Findings ( 31 Oct. -- 06 Nov. ) .

> Summary

>

> Bhagavan is upset over the violation of "Kshethra Acharas" ,

Desecration of Temple , Immoral activities inside the Temple , etc by

God-haters . Possible, Bomb/Fire/Riot might cause mass killing in or

outside the Temple .

> Thanthri is Bhagavan's Representative . What he says is to be

accepted by everyone .

> Golden Flag Pole is defective . Temple- Elephants may pull it down

..

> No entry to Non-Hindus . Only those having full faith in Deity

worship and Kshethra-Acharas , shall enter the Temple.

> No change in the Temple's Dress Code . Churidar is unacceptable .

It has already caused violence by Elephants . It's continuation will

cause death and destruction to all responsible for it .

> Upadeva Ganesha's Moorthy and Temple are defective . Renovation ,

required for His Temple .

> Bhgagavan's Cows were stolen and killed . Serious Go-Shapa will

cause calamities .

> Guruvayoor Temple should be treated as an important Shrine in the

whole Country and any adverse thing happening to the Temple would have

its fallout on the entire Nation .

> Deratiled Findings

> 1. Bhagavan stressed the need to rectify certain structural

defects found in the golden Flag Pole of the Temple . It's foundation

is damaged due to the attack of insects . Flag Pole is the abode of

Bhagavan's vehicle Garuda . It has been dislocated and tilted . If one

measures from it's footing to "veeraknadam" (upper portion) , the

dislocation can be found out . if the defective Flag Pole is not

replaced with a new one , the present Flag Pole will be pulled down by

Temple Elephants .

> 2. Bhagavan wants the Temple to set up Facilities for the study of

Sanskrit and Vedas . The Vedas are very important to Guruvayoor Temple

.. Necessary Facilities should be provided for higher education of

Sanskrit .

> 3. Ordinary Bhaktas should not face any hurdle in worshipping

Bhagavan due to restrictions made in the name of VIP visits . At

present , such difficulties exist and certain Temple staff are behaving

rudely with the Bhkthas . This is absolutely unacceptable . Bhagavan is

always pleased by the Bhakthy of Common man .

> 4. Bhagavan does not want , more than one `Udayasthamana Pooja' in

a day .

> 5. The Building in side the Temple premises can be taller than the

Temple . But it's floor level should be lower than that of Temple . On

such floor , any number of storeys can be constructed . This has no

relation with the height of Flag Pole . Considering the roads around

the Temple as boundary limits, this condition should be adhered to .

> 6. Materials once used for "Thulabharam" can be used again .

However, the decayed materials should not be used .

> 7. The water from the "Manikkinar" ( Temple's well ) , can be used

for Thulabharam .

> 8. The future of Bhagavan's presence in Guruvayoor Temple is

bright . The present unpleasant issues can be resolved by

"Prayrachitham" (Atonement rituals) . These remedial measures must be

completed within one year .

> ( Note - : Some Devotees brought to the Jyothishis' attention ,

criticisms in the media against the Jyothishis . But the Jyothishis

preferred not to discuss it with Bhagavan . They stated " This

Devaprasnam is being conducted strictly according to the Scriptural

Injunctions and associated Vedic Shaastras . We are ready to answer any

doubts on this . In stead of that , if some one wants to arrest us , we

are helpless . )

>

> The "Suvarna-Dwajam" ( Golden Flag Pole ) is not vertical and it

is in damaged condition . It's present position too is not correct .

This may cause Serious Dangers .

> Thanthri ( Temple-Acharya ) is not issuing necessary instructions

on time. He feels that, what he says will upset the concerned

Authorities ; especially since , what he told in the past were ignored

totally . Bhagavan is furious over this situation .

> Some Devotees pointed out that , Udayastamana Pooja is performed

for a single person only ; And therefore is it necessary to close and

open the Sreekovil-Door for it ? .

> Bhagavan replied that , Poojas are not for one Person only . More

Udayasthamana Poojas and Thanthric rites are for increasing the `Deva

çhaithanyam' (aura) .

> The "Pillaru-Thalappoly " ( Ritualistic Offerings on a plate , by

children) , being conducted by the local group , is very satisfying to

Bhagavathy ( Upadevi , Durga) .

> The Turmeric powder being offered to Bhagavathy , has less purity

..

> Bhagavathy does not need "Kunkuma-archana" .

> In the Devawom guest house , a "Karimkaalithara" ( platform for

`Karimkaali –Deity ' ) is to be provided .

> A particular person from the " Othikkan " (Traditional Poojari)

family, is continuously showing disrespect to the position of Thanthri

.. Bhagavan is upset over this . If this is not stopped immediately ,

there will be dire consequences .

> In the previous Devawom Cow-Shelter "Kaaveedu" , some Cows were

killed . In order to avoid it's ill-effects in the new Cow-Shelter ,

"Kalasa Pooja" and other atonements to be performed for Bhagavathy .

> Some "KeezhShaantis" ( Assistant Poojaris) are not maintaining the

necessary personal purity, required for Poojas . This is repeated many

times . This will cause calamities in the "Thidappally" ( Platform in

front of Sanctum Sanctorum) itself .

> Some Temple Staff are not performing their duties properly and are

shifting it's blame to others . They are going for other assignments

that fetches better income . Also , there is serious infighting among

the Staff .

> Quoting verses from the "Kapilopadesa in Bhagavatham" , Justice

Radhakrishna Menon raised doubts about the previous days revelations on

rejection of Churidar . The Jyothishis re-confirmed with evidence that,

Bhagavan does not like any amendment to the time-proven

"Kshetra-Aachaaras" , in such unauthorized ways .

> Change in Dress Code

> ( History : On 27th July, Guruvayur Devaswom had relaxed the

traditional Temple Dress code to allow Women Devotees to wear Churidar

inside the Temple . Earlier, women could wear only dresses such as

sari, set-mundu, half-sari and skirt and blouse to the Temple. Even if

women wore kurtas to the shrine, they had to wear a `mundu' over the

pyjamas. However , soon after the Marxist led agitations seeking

amendment of "Kshetra Aachaaras' ( Temple customs) , the Marxist

Devaswom Board President announced his decision to allow Churidar

inside the Temple. Later this matter was taken up in the Board meeting

wherein the Thantri sated his objection . But, the Board flatly refused

to revoke it's public announcement and ordered the Thantri to shut up.)

 

> In the wake of Guruvayoorappan's objections to the changes in

`Kshetra-Acharas ` , the recent change in Dress code was checked on the

fifth day of `Devaprasnam' . During the `Acharyavaranakriya' ,

when a new cloth was brought , the Board Official instructed to cut it

and fetch a small piece out of it . When the cloth was cut , it became

` Gana-vastra' which according to Jyothisha is used for post-death

rituals . Based on this `nimitham' ( divine syndrome) , Jyothishis

analysed further to find out Bhagavan's will . And the following was

revealed :

>

> Devaswam officials had issued a strict instruction to the Thanthri

and all concerned to allow Churidar inside the Temple .

> Thanthri was not allowed to raise his objection . Because of this

, he could not seek Bhagavan's permission or conduct the Social Prayer

necessary for seeking Bhagavan's consent for the change of ` Aachaara

`. Therefore , instead of a natural change , Dewaswam's will was

imposed on Thantri and Bhagavan . Next day, onwards Women started

entering the Temple wearing Churidar which was unacceptable to Bhagavan

.. This resulted in the violent behavior of Temple-Elephants , Falling

down of ` Thidambu'( Festival Deity) , etc . If this non-obedience is

continued, it will be harmful to the Person wearing the Churidar and

their families . It could result in premature deaths . Even, it could

even harm the human kind as a whole .

> Guruvayoorappan wants His Bhaktas to wear simple traditional dress

inside the Temple . Dresses like Churidar is `paradesi ` ( foreign) ,

which is unacceptable to Bhagavan.

>

> Devaswom Shelters for Old and Orphan Bhakthas

> Bhagavan reiterated His desire to accommodate and protect His Old

and Orphan Bhakthas in a Shelter which should be constructed by

Devaswom . He pointed out that , according to His instructions earlier

, daily `Prasada Ooottu `( Feeding of the Bhakthas) was started for 500

Bhakthas . Now it is provided daily for 5000 Bhakthas . Likewise , the

Shelter will also be a success . While this was discussed , Bhagavatha

Hamsam Malliyoor Shankaran Namboothiri ( Guruvayoorappan's

legendary Bhakta) , entered the dais of Devaprasnam . Jyothishis found

this as the divine omen of Bhagavan''s presence there and Bhaktavalsala's

compassion for His Devotees .

>

> In near future, the cloth of a person arriving for Darshan will be

caught fire in the Temple . Also, in the Temple premises , one's wife

will be killed by an Elephant or Cow .

> Devaswom Board must consider `Krishnanaattam' (which is very dear

to Bhagavan) , as Sacred . In last two years , during Vijayadasami ,

the 9 days long `Krishnanaattam' is not conducted by Devaswam Board .

Devotees are offering it . Devaswam must conduct this with faith .

> The "Koothambalam" (Auditorium for Temple Arts) is as important as

the Temple . It must be cleaned daily and an Oil lamp to be lit there .

 

> The continuing atonement for removing the previous Temple-Acharyas

Puliyannoor Family long back , to be performed properly . It is not

carried out decently now .

> The Garland for Sreekovil , to be prepared in the Temple itself .

> Those working inside the Temple , must use decent Language .

> Efforts must be made to keep the Temple clean .

> The Daily Ritual " Olavaayana " ( A Warrier temple-staff writes

the Day's Income and Expenses on a Palm Leaf and Reads it out to

Bhagavan before the closure of Temple , every night ) , has been

stopped . Instead it is issued in writing to Him , as a token gesture .

Bhagavan is furious at this Cheating . Right from tonight (03 Nov) ,

"Olavaayana" must be resumed .

> The existing "Achaaraas'( Rituals and Practices of the Temple) can

not be debated and amended by any ` Acharya-Sabha' ( Assembly of Vedic

Acharyas and Experts) . They are to be adhered to as it is .

> The `Guru-parambara' relationship in the Temple, has been lost .

> The `Thidambu' ( Festival Moorthy) has fallen down . For that,

`prayachitha' atonement was not done properly .

> Bhagavan is unhappy over the financial burden being imposed on His

Bhakthas , by Devaswom Board's frequent increases in the material cost

of Offerings .

> `Prasadam' is being sold in the Shops outside the Temple.

> There are defects in the Moorthy of Ganapathy , the Upadeva .

Waste materials are stockpiled inside His temple . His displeasure will

cause irritation to the Temple Elephants . Renovation of His temple

needs to be done .

> The Construction works inside the Temple premises , were carried

out without Bhagavan's consent . There are defects in those works . In

matters of `Vastu' , the opinions of more than one Expert need to be

sought .

> The relocated positions of Upadevas are not compatible with that

of Flag staff .

> There are reductions in the Poojas .

> The Temple Pond has become impure . Many deaths have occurred

therein already . It is not maintained as Sacred .

> Another Temple Pond having the Divine presence, was filled up

totally .

> The sacred Ashoka tree near the Bhagavathy Temple was cut down .

It's atonement needs to be done .

> The Coconuts once offered to Bhagavathy are offered to Her again

and again to save cost and time . This is unacceptable to Her .

> Sastha , the Upadeva is unhappy due to lapses in His rituals .

> Although , the Temple Administrators and their Masters will try to

block the proposed remedial measures , Bhagavan's grace will help to

complete it .

> Guruvayoorappan is unhappy over the lapses in the "

Kshethra-Acharas" ( Temple-Customs) . As a result, Bomb/Fire/Riots

might cause mass deaths inside or just outside the Temple .

> `Deva-Chaithanyam' ( aura) is intact on the Deity which is unique

..

> There will be sharp increase in the inflow of Devotees and Temple

revenue .

> Guruvayoor Temple should be treated as an important Shrine in the

whole Country and any adverse thing happening to the Temple would have

its fallout on the entire Nation .

> Bhagavan's money is being misused by the concerned Officials .

> Certain Staff are involving in `Adharmic' ( unrighteous)

activities inside Temple premises .

> Entry on Non-Hindus inside Temple , is unacceptable to Bhagavan .

Devotees having firm faith in Deity worship and temple customs are the

ones to enter the Temple .

> The Thanthri ( Acharya of the temple) , is not allowed by the

Devaswom Officials to perform his duties properly . Because of this ,

Bhagavan is unhappy and the Thantri is very sad . Thanthri's

Instructions are being ignored by the Administrators . Therefore, he is

not giving anymore instructions .

> Temple Officials are misusing the Temple wealth . Both the

previous and present Officials are guilty of sinful activities . Some

Staff are entering the Temple after consuming Liquor .

> There is impurity in the `Nivedaya- items' being offered to

Bhagavan .

> Bhagvan's favorite , Milk and Plantain Nivedyam have been stopped

..

> In the Temple's Gokulam , Bhagavan;'s Cows are not looked after

properly . Theft and even killing of Cows have occurred . `Go-Sapa'

(Curse of Cows) exists .

> Within a few months , one Temple Elephant will die .

> Please forward this message to as many Bhakthas as possible . Let

everyone pray Sree Guruvayoorappan .

> Om Namo Narayanaya !!! Please protect us , O Guruvayoor Bhagavan

!!!!

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Dear Ganapathy Ramanji,

 

I am Krishna Dasa and I am not Krishnadaya. Krishnadaya is a different person.

So, please try to understand that you are dealing with two different people with

different views and not the same.

 

I wonderfully appreciate Krishnadaya's service in bringing about the daily

updates of Guruvayurpuram and at the same time I agree with you when you state

that " never dub all people who are diasgreeing with you as anti-hindu or

communists "

 

I would also advise Krishnadayaji the same.

 

Sarvam Shree Krishnaarpanamastu.

 

~Krishna Dasa (not Krishnadaya)

 

GANAPATHY RAMAN <agraman62 wrote:

Dear Krishna daya or dasa,

 

I am not a skeptic Hindu as you imagine as you hv no idea abt me even after

long association but I am a practical man and not unduly give credence to

certain things which I feel not to my liking.This is not to digress your belief

or anybody's but only my views.It is ok if you hv a different set of convictions

and your clarifications though look nice can't be vouchsafed.Anyway it is always

a pleasure to hv argument with you as many things come out of your bag though

you can't expect all to accept your views.Whoever not agreeing your views you

say are communists or atheists and such a notion must hv stemmed out of your

personal experience.So you must change such notions.I say this as your well

wisher.Sometimes your blind faith take you to different mode of thinking which

is not palatable.You are my good friend and always I wish the same.As you used

to say we shall agree to disagree on things which we differ.Anyway for your

happiness I appreciate your clarifications.I don't hv any ill will against you

and just expressed my thoughts which you may not like but never dub all people

who are not agreeing with your views as communists or anti Hindus.Such mind set

up is really pathetic and shows some type of mental aberration.God Bless.

 

 

agraman.

 

krishnadaya <krishnadaya wrote:

Krishna , Guruvayoorappa . Dear Bhakthas ,

I do agree that many skeptic Hindus have the same views given below by

Sri.Ganapathy Ramanji . Let me clarify as follows :

 

" Devaprasnam " a Sacred Ritual

I still remember one event in my Childhood . My Father who was a member of the

Temple-Committee just returned after meeting Sree ,Cheppad Kaimal , a Vedic

Jyothishi . It was to invite him for a " Devaprasnam " to be conducted in the

Temple . Father told us that , the Jyothishi had noted various details such as ,

the exact time of their arrival , what they said first , " nimithams " ( symptoms

in place) , etc . We all were seeing `Devaprasnam' the first time and therefore

all these were new to us .

After conducting necessary rituals to invoke the Deity , `Devaprasnam' started

.. The revelations of the Deity in the " Devaprasnam " stunned every one . It

revealed hitherto unknown information such as immoral activities inside the

Temple by the Convener and his Female assistant , Misconducts by the Priest ,

Routine urination inside the Temple by an old Neighbour , etc, etc . It even

found out the exact address of our original Family-temple about 150 Km away ,

which no one knew till then .

As revealed by the Deity in the `Devaprasnam' , the total structure of the

Temple-set up changed soon . Today , it is one of the main Temples of our area

and it's present Thanthri is Kantararu Rajeevararu ( Sabarimala-Thanthri ) .

After the above events , I got opportunities to involve with some other

`Devaprasnams' as well , and what I have learnt from it , convinced me about the

reliability of `Devaprasnam ` . We don't have any other system in place to know

the will of the Deity .

I remember one more event . About 20 years back , in Sabarimala , a major

Construction was proposed but it was rejected in the " Devaprasnam " . It was

revealed that , if proceeded the modification will cause death. ( Cheppad Kaimal

was one Jyothishi) . However, then Board and it's Contractor ignored it and

proceeded to complete the works . Within next 3 months , the Contractor became

bankrupt and committed suicide . Later , the Board President ( a leading

Politician) too lost his post and died miserably .

 

Guruvayoor Devaprasnam

The Guruvayoor Devaprasnam is conducted after 17 years . Usually it is

conducted after every 12 years, to know the condition of " Äshtabandham " and

other status . However , the recommendations of the previous `Devaprasnam' had

not been implemented fully and therefore the Board was postponing it . Recently

, several accidents happened in Guruvayoor . This include frequent violent

behavior of Temple Elephants , Falling down of " Thidambu " (Festival Deity)

from Elephant's top , Several Deaths inside the Temple Pond and inside the

Temple premises , Quarrels , Thefts, etc, etc . The Guruvayoor Devaswom Board is

composed of Government Nominees , Administrator ( Govt. Employee) and

Traditional Members like Samoothiri Raja , Thanthri , one representative of

Traditional Temple Staff , etc . The Government Nominees are Marxists who have

no faith in God . They are interested only in looting the Temple funds and

undermining it's spirituality . For this , they appointed many of

their atheistic Comrades as Temple staff. They are the ones who corrupted the

other staff as well . Even Immoral activities and Alcohol-consumption became

frequent in the Temple .

 

Eminent Jyothishis Conducted the Guruavayoor Devaprasnam .

Irinjalakkuda Padmanabha Sharma was the lead `Jyothishi ' and he was assisted

by Paravoor Sreedharan Thanthri, Ravunni Panicker, Nagilassery Raghavan Nair,

Cherode Narayana Panicker, Manappuzha Raman Namboothiri, Soman Panicker, Jayaraj

Panicker and Prasanth Menon . They are presently the most reputed Vedic

Jyothishis in Kerala . Majority of them are qualified Thanthris as well .

4. The Best Devaprasnam in Recent Times

The `Devaprasnam' was started only after performing necessary Vedic rituals

like (81) days long Bhagavathy Seva , Ganapathy Homam , Maha-Mrithunjaya Homam ,

etc . The Deity of Guruvayoorappan was duly invoked by the Thanthri prior to

starting the " Devaprasnam " .

It was predicted on the first day that there would be deaths in the Temple

during the " Devaprasnam " . It proved correct , as two deaths and one attempted

suicide took place .

No commercial aspect is attributed to this " Devaprasnam " . They just

revealed Bhagavan's will as it is without any fear or favor . It takes to task

every one including the Board , Thantri, Poojaris, Staff , etc , etc . No one

was spared . It is a sin to doubt the integrity of these `Sattvic-Karma Yogis' .

May Guruvayoorappan shower His choicest blessings on these Acharyas !!!.

Bhagavan has revealed that , He doesn't want Churidar and such foreign dresses

inside the Temple . He wants no change on the " Kshethra-Acharas " .

I fully agree with the revelations . Most Women are not wearing the Churidar

in a decent way in side the Temple . The use of Shawl is out of fashion ; and

consequently they appear to be exposed . When we see a Woman in traditional

dress inside the Temple , she reminds us of Bhagavathy . Let the sacred system

continue as it is .

A Personal Note :

My Bhakthy-Yoga is founded on what I learnt from my Parents , Elders and the

Acharyas with whom I have associated . As a `Padasevak' of Bhagavan Krishna , I

just act according to His will .

Bhagavan Sree Krishna says in Bhagavatam 11.7.23 " Although I, the Supreme

Lord can never be captured by ordinary sense perception , those situated in

human life may use their intelligence and other faculties of perception to

directly search for Me through both apparent and indirectly ascertained symptoms

" .

Om Namo narayanaya !!!

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guruvayur , GANAPATHY RAMAN <agraman62 wrote:

>

> I thought Krishnadaya is a person with good knowledge.However after accepting

what some astrologers said and accepting the same as said in Vedas he has gone

away from tangent and exhibited his ignorance abt the wishes of Sri

> Guruvayurappan.Really pathetic to succumb to such obnoxious findings of the

astrologers in the form of Devaprasnam and one who does not accept the same to

be treated as atheist or marxist.I feel sorry for a knowledgeable person like

> Krishnadaya.How on earth he finds that the same are the wishes of Sri

> Guruvayurappan.Many factors like cleanliness,renovation,reshaping of the

existing things can be known to all and the Board has to do it with its enormous

funds and there is no necessity to invoke Lord for making the temple a really

spiritual abode.For that purpose there is no necessity for Devaprasnam for a

number of days and debates spending enormous amount and with that all the things

could hv been rectified.It is really pitiable that Krishnadaya has become a

victim for such things and dubbing people who say anything against

ascommunists.I think he is living in the vedic age.Sorry for for my harsh

comments but be practical Krishnadaya.In what way it affects you whether a lady

wears churidar instead of saree etc .I hpe you are not running any textile shop

near the temple.Bhagawan has never said anything.Why you find fault with

that?For your info I don't hv any churidar or other shop.Really sorry abt your

anxiety which is nothing but a matter for pity.This is not to

> remove your faith which is not my intention but just to keep you informed

about the changing times and the necessity for that as change is the order of

the day and devotees

> from many States can't be expected to wear sarees etc.and Guruvayurappan is

not confined Deity only to those of Kerala.All temples everywhere change the

customs according to times and Adi Sankara too never said that only those things

shuld be followed.It is all the things stemmed out of the peoles's mind who hv

got their own interest uppermost.Regarding other things you hv noted I don't hv

the patience to read and so not making any comments.But don't drag the

intrepretations of astrologers whatever be their qualifications as the wish of

Guruvayurappan as they themselves won't be sure except by intrepreting some

planetary positions which hv got nothing to to do with the Cosmic Power that is

> Sri Guruvayurappan.Anyway I appreciate your interest on the subject which is

not worthwhile to spend time.

>

>

> krishnadaya krishnadaya wrote:

> Krishna, Guruvayoorappa ! , Dear Bhakthas ,

> The Eight day long Guruvayoor " Ashtmangala Devaprasnam " was successfully

completed yesterday ( 07 Nov. ) .

> What was performed yesterday was verifying Guruvayoorappan's will on the

proposed remedial measures . As solution to each of the discovered shortcomings

, an offering was proposed with a prayer to the concerned Devatha , and verified

His/Her acceptance or rejection, through the analysis of " Rasi " .

> 1. At first , praying Guruvayoorappan , it was proposed to submit at His

Sopanam, " Bhadradeepam " in Silver pot with " Suvarnakshatha " inside it ,

Palpayasam worth Rs.1001, " Thrikkaivenna " , " Thrumudimala " , Milk, and Sugar .

These will be submitted by the Temple's Ooralan , Othikkanmar , Keezh-Shaanthis,

and Other traditional Staff . And after submitting it they all will admit their

mistakes to Bhagavan , apologize to Him , and prostrate at His feet , seeking

Bhagavan's forgiveness . In the " Rasi " , " Vyazham " ( Guru) was found in the 9th

house . This auspicious revelation confirmed that , Guruvayoorappan is satisfied

with the proposed Offerings and Remedial Measures .

> 2. In the Mammiyoor Temple , " Rudradhara " & " Pinvilakku " to Siva, " Palpayasam "

to Vishnu , and relevant offerings to the other Devathas in Mammiyoor and to the

Deities in associated Temples , other nearby Temples, Kannur Idakkad Temple, and

Irinjalakkuda Koodal Manikyam Temple , were proposed . It was found to be

acceptable to Them .

> Remedial Measures

> The following Remedial measures were proposed and found to be acceptable to

Bhagavan and the Upadevathas :

> 1. The Defective Golden Flag Pole shall be replaces with a New one , within

next (13) months .

> 2. In the Devawom Guest house compound , a " Valkannadi " ( Mirror Image) to be

consecrated on the " Karimkali Thara " ( Platform for Karimkali Deity) . And yearly

Pooja to be offered there after laying Padmam ( lotus) .

> 3. On the Ekadasi day , the procession to the East should halt at it's

previous end point " Theeyyar Ambalam " , offer salutations there before

proceeding to the Parthasarathy Temple for " Irakkiyezhunnallathu " .

> 4. To eliminate the " Sarpa-Dosham " ( ill-effects caused by Serpents) , a

golden Sepent-image , and " Puttum " shall be submitted at " Pambumekkavu Mana " (

Temple-Abode of Serpents) .

> 5. Symbolic Offering of Elephant to be performed .

> 6. To eliminate the ill- effects for the misdeeds of all those associated with

the Temple , Devaswom board should conduct every year, " Maha-Sudarshana Homam " (

96,000 chants) , " Thila-havanam " (1,00,000 chants) , " Sukrutha-Homam " and 12

days long " Ganapthy-Homams " . Also , " Kalkachikichuttu " ( with 108 " Ashtothara

shatanamam " ) and " Vilichucholli-prayachittham " will be carried out . As a remedy

for various types of Curses , " Murahomam " will be performed every year . Also

" Maha-Mrithunjaya Homam " and " Bhagavathy Seva " shall be performed every year .

> 7. Every year , a " Sukrutha-Homam " shall be performed with 24, 000 chants of

Gayathri-Manthra , to increase the " Sukrutha " of Temple .

> 8. Thanthri , himself shall decide and perform his " Prayachittham " (

atonement) to Bhagavan .

> 9. Any money offered on the " Thrippadi " ( step to Sreekovil) , belongs to

Bhagavan .

> 10. As an atonement of Go-sapa ( Curse of Cows) it was first proposed to offer

a Cow to Bhagavathy . But , it was not found sufficient . So , a golden image of

Cow will be offered to Bhagavathy .

> Note :

>

> It was re-confirmed that , Bhagavan does not accept any amendment to the

existing " Kshetra-Acharas " .

> Before , the conclusion of Devaprasnam two Members of the Devaswom Managing

Committee raised objections . Mr. M.M.Vasudevan alleged that , some of the

findings and remedial measures revealed in the Devaprasnam will pull us to 200

years back just for the sake of Acharas . Prof. T.R. Harry stated that , the

Girl-students in his college had asked him whether Churidar could be permitted

in side the Temple .

> The Lead Jyothishi , Padmanabha Sharma calmly pointed out that , the Dress

Codes of Educational institutions are not suitable for Temple . While coming to

the Temple for Darshan , all Bhakthas should follow the Dress Code that is

prescribed for the Temple . He reiterated that , Guruvayoorappan rejects all

sorts of changes to the time-proven " Kshetra-Acharas " . Also , he invited all

skeptics to come to the dais to have a debate on the basis of Vedic Injunctions

..

> The above said , two Members ( who are Marxist Nominees in the Director Board)

started yelling " Times have progressed . Churidar must be allowed inside the

Temple " .

> This infuriated the Bhakthas present there . They declared in one voice " What

matters is Guruvayoorappan's will alone . And not the wishes of Others . We do

not need Bhagavan-Haters in Guruvayoor Temple , anymore " .

> As the situation became vociferous , and the mentioned Atheists were looking

for an escape route , Padmanabha Sharma , the Lead Jyothishi pacified the

Bhakthas , assuring them that Guruvayoorappan's will shall prevail .

> Findings ( 31 Oct. -- 06 Nov. ) .

> Summary

>

> Bhagavan is upset over the violation of " Kshethra Acharas " , Desecration of

Temple , Immoral activities inside the Temple , etc by God-haters . Possible,

Bomb/Fire/Riot might cause mass killing in or outside the Temple .

> Thanthri is Bhagavan's Representative . What he says is to be accepted by

everyone .

> Golden Flag Pole is defective . Temple- Elephants may pull it down .

> No entry to Non-Hindus . Only those having full faith in Deity worship and

Kshethra-Acharas , shall enter the Temple.

> No change in the Temple's Dress Code . Churidar is unacceptable . It has

already caused violence by Elephants . It's continuation will cause death and

destruction to all responsible for it .

> Upadeva Ganesha's Moorthy and Temple are defective . Renovation , required for

His Temple .

> Bhgagavan's Cows were stolen and killed . Serious Go-Shapa will cause

calamities .

> Guruvayoor Temple should be treated as an important Shrine in the whole

Country and any adverse thing happening to the Temple would have its fallout on

the entire Nation .

> Deratiled Findings

> 1. Bhagavan stressed the need to rectify certain structural defects found in

the golden Flag Pole of the Temple . It's foundation is damaged due to the

attack of insects . Flag Pole is the abode of Bhagavan's vehicle Garuda . It has

been dislocated and tilted . If one measures from it's footing to " veeraknadam "

(upper portion) , the dislocation can be found out . if the defective Flag Pole

is not replaced with a new one , the present Flag Pole will be pulled down by

Temple Elephants .

> 2. Bhagavan wants the Temple to set up Facilities for the study of Sanskrit

and Vedas . The Vedas are very important to Guruvayoor Temple . Necessary

Facilities should be provided for higher education of Sanskrit .

> 3. Ordinary Bhaktas should not face any hurdle in worshipping Bhagavan due to

restrictions made in the name of VIP visits . At present , such difficulties

exist and certain Temple staff are behaving rudely with the Bhkthas . This is

absolutely unacceptable . Bhagavan is always pleased by the Bhakthy of Common

man .

> 4. Bhagavan does not want , more than one `Udayasthamana Pooja' in a day .

> 5. The Building in side the Temple premises can be taller than the Temple .

But it's floor level should be lower than that of Temple . On such floor , any

number of storeys can be constructed . This has no relation with the height of

Flag Pole . Considering the roads around the Temple as boundary limits, this

condition should be adhered to .

> 6. Materials once used for " Thulabharam " can be used again . However, the

decayed materials should not be used .

> 7. The water from the " Manikkinar " ( Temple's well ) , can be used for

Thulabharam .

> 8. The future of Bhagavan's presence in Guruvayoor Temple is bright . The

present unpleasant issues can be resolved by " Prayrachitham " (Atonement rituals)

.. These remedial measures must be completed within one year .

> ( Note - : Some Devotees brought to the Jyothishis' attention , criticisms in

the media against the Jyothishis . But the Jyothishis preferred not to discuss

it with Bhagavan . They stated " This Devaprasnam is being conducted strictly

according to the Scriptural Injunctions and associated Vedic Shaastras . We are

ready to answer any doubts on this . In stead of that , if some one wants to

arrest us , we are helpless . )

>

> The " Suvarna-Dwajam " ( Golden Flag Pole ) is not vertical and it is in damaged

condition . It's present position too is not correct . This may cause Serious

Dangers .

> Thanthri ( Temple-Acharya ) is not issuing necessary instructions on time. He

feels that, what he says will upset the concerned Authorities ; especially since

, what he told in the past were ignored totally . Bhagavan is furious over this

situation .

> Some Devotees pointed out that , Udayastamana Pooja is performed for a single

person only ; And therefore is it necessary to close and open the Sreekovil-Door

for it ? .

> Bhagavan replied that , Poojas are not for one Person only . More

Udayasthamana Poojas and Thanthric rites are for increasing the `Deva

çhaithanyam' (aura) .

> The " Pillaru-Thalappoly " ( Ritualistic Offerings on a plate , by children) ,

being conducted by the local group , is very satisfying to Bhagavathy ( Upadevi

, Durga) .

> The Turmeric powder being offered to Bhagavathy , has less purity .

> Bhagavathy does not need " Kunkuma-archana " .

> In the Devawom guest house , a " Karimkaalithara " ( platform for `Karimkaali

–Deity ' ) is to be provided .

> A particular person from the " Othikkan " (Traditional Poojari) family, is

continuously showing disrespect to the position of Thanthri . Bhagavan is upset

over this . If this is not stopped immediately , there will be dire consequences

..

> In the previous Devawom Cow-Shelter " Kaaveedu " , some Cows were killed . In

order to avoid it's ill-effects in the new Cow-Shelter , " Kalasa Pooja " and

other atonements to be performed for Bhagavathy .

> Some " KeezhShaantis " ( Assistant Poojaris) are not maintaining the necessary

personal purity, required for Poojas . This is repeated many times . This will

cause calamities in the " Thidappally " ( Platform in front of Sanctum Sanctorum)

itself .

> Some Temple Staff are not performing their duties properly and are shifting

it's blame to others . They are going for other assignments that fetches better

income . Also , there is serious infighting among the Staff .

> Quoting verses from the " Kapilopadesa in Bhagavatham " , Justice Radhakrishna

Menon raised doubts about the previous days revelations on rejection of Churidar

.. The Jyothishis re-confirmed with evidence that, Bhagavan does not like any

amendment to the time-proven " Kshetra-Aachaaras " , in such unauthorized ways .

> Change in Dress Code

> ( History : On 27th July, Guruvayur Devaswom had relaxed the traditional

Temple Dress code to allow Women Devotees to wear Churidar inside the Temple .

Earlier, women could wear only dresses such as sari, set-mundu, half-sari and

skirt and blouse to the Temple. Even if women wore kurtas to the shrine, they

had to wear a `mundu' over the pyjamas. However , soon after the Marxist led

agitations seeking amendment of " Kshetra Aachaaras' ( Temple customs) , the

Marxist Devaswom Board President announced his decision to allow Churidar inside

the Temple. Later this matter was taken up in the Board meeting wherein the

Thantri sated his objection . But, the Board flatly refused to revoke it's

public announcement and ordered the Thantri to shut up.)

> In the wake of Guruvayoorappan's objections to the changes in `Kshetra-Acharas

` , the recent change in Dress code was checked on the fifth day of

`Devaprasnam' . During the `Acharyavaranakriya' , when a new cloth was brought ,

the Board Official instructed to cut it and fetch a small piece out of it . When

the cloth was cut , it became ` Gana-vastra' which according to Jyothisha is

used for post-death rituals . Based on this `nimitham' ( divine syndrome) ,

Jyothishis analysed further to find out Bhagavan's will . And the following was

revealed :

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> Devaswam officials had issued a strict instruction to the Thanthri and all

concerned to allow Churidar inside the Temple .

> Thanthri was not allowed to raise his objection . Because of this , he could

not seek Bhagavan's permission or conduct the Social Prayer necessary for

seeking Bhagavan's consent for the change of ` Aachaara `. Therefore , instead

of a natural change , Dewaswam's will was imposed on Thantri and Bhagavan . Next

day, onwards Women started entering the Temple wearing Churidar which was

unacceptable to Bhagavan . This resulted in the violent behavior of

Temple-Elephants , Falling down of ` Thidambu'( Festival Deity) , etc . If this

non-obedience is continued, it will be harmful to the Person wearing the

Churidar and their families . It could result in premature deaths . Even, it

could even harm the human kind as a whole .

> Guruvayoorappan wants His Bhaktas to wear simple traditional dress inside the

Temple . Dresses like Churidar is `paradesi ` ( foreign) , which is unacceptable

to Bhagavan.

>

> Devaswom Shelters for Old and Orphan Bhakthas

> Bhagavan reiterated His desire to accommodate and protect His Old and Orphan

Bhakthas in a Shelter which should be constructed by Devaswom . He pointed out

that , according to His instructions earlier , daily `Prasada Ooottu `( Feeding

of the Bhakthas) was started for 500 Bhakthas . Now it is provided daily for

5000 Bhakthas . Likewise , the Shelter will also be a success . While this was

discussed , Bhagavatha Hamsam Malliyoor Shankaran Namboothiri (

Guruvayoorappan's legendary Bhakta) , entered the dais of Devaprasnam .

Jyothishis found this as the divine omen of Bhagavan''s presence there and

Bhaktavalsala's compassion for His Devotees .

>

> In near future, the cloth of a person arriving for Darshan will be caught fire

in the Temple . Also, in the Temple premises , one's wife will be killed by an

Elephant or Cow .

> Devaswom Board must consider `Krishnanaattam' (which is very dear to Bhagavan)

, as Sacred . In last two years , during Vijayadasami , the 9 days long

`Krishnanaattam' is not conducted by Devaswam Board . Devotees are offering it .

Devaswam must conduct this with faith .

> The " Koothambalam " (Auditorium for Temple Arts) is as important as the Temple

.. It must be cleaned daily and an Oil lamp to be lit there .

> The continuing atonement for removing the previous Temple-Acharyas Puliyannoor

Family long back , to be performed properly . It is not carried out decently now

..

> The Garland for Sreekovil , to be prepared in the Temple itself .

> Those working inside the Temple , must use decent Language .

> Efforts must be made to keep the Temple clean .

> The Daily Ritual " Olavaayana " ( A Warrier temple-staff writes the Day's

Income and Expenses on a Palm Leaf and Reads it out to Bhagavan before the

closure of Temple , every night ) , has been stopped . Instead it is issued in

writing to Him , as a token gesture . Bhagavan is furious at this Cheating .

Right from tonight (03 Nov) , " Olavaayana " must be resumed .

> The existing " Achaaraas'( Rituals and Practices of the Temple) can not be

debated and amended by any ` Acharya-Sabha' ( Assembly of Vedic Acharyas and

Experts) . They are to be adhered to as it is .

> The `Guru-parambara' relationship in the Temple, has been lost .

> The `Thidambu' ( Festival Moorthy) has fallen down . For that, `prayachitha'

atonement was not done properly .

> Bhagavan is unhappy over the financial burden being imposed on His Bhakthas ,

by Devaswom Board's frequent increases in the material cost of Offerings .

> `Prasadam' is being sold in the Shops outside the Temple.

> There are defects in the Moorthy of Ganapathy , the Upadeva . Waste materials

are stockpiled inside His temple . His displeasure will cause irritation to the

Temple Elephants . Renovation of His temple needs to be done .

> The Construction works inside the Temple premises , were carried out without

Bhagavan's consent . There are defects in those works . In matters of `Vastu' ,

the opinions of more than one Expert need to be sought .

> The relocated positions of Upadevas are not compatible with that of Flag staff

..

> There are reductions in the Poojas .

> The Temple Pond has become impure . Many deaths have occurred therein already

.. It is not maintained as Sacred .

> Another Temple Pond having the Divine presence, was filled up totally .

> The sacred Ashoka tree near the Bhagavathy Temple was cut down . It's

atonement needs to be done .

> The Coconuts once offered to Bhagavathy are offered to Her again and again to

save cost and time . This is unacceptable to Her .

> Sastha , the Upadeva is unhappy due to lapses in His rituals .

> Although , the Temple Administrators and their Masters will try to block the

proposed remedial measures , Bhagavan's grace will help to complete it .

> Guruvayoorappan is unhappy over the lapses in the " Kshethra-Acharas " (

Temple-Customs) . As a result, Bomb/Fire/Riots might cause mass deaths inside or

just outside the Temple .

> `Deva-Chaithanyam' ( aura) is intact on the Deity which is unique .

> There will be sharp increase in the inflow of Devotees and Temple revenue .

> Guruvayoor Temple should be treated as an important Shrine in the whole

Country and any adverse thing happening to the Temple would have its fallout on

the entire Nation .

> Bhagavan's money is being misused by the concerned Officials .

> Certain Staff are involving in `Adharmic' ( unrighteous) activities inside

Temple premises .

> Entry on Non-Hindus inside Temple , is unacceptable to Bhagavan . Devotees

having firm faith in Deity worship and temple customs are the ones to enter the

Temple .

> The Thanthri ( Acharya of the temple) , is not allowed by the Devaswom

Officials to perform his duties properly . Because of this , Bhagavan is unhappy

and the Thantri is very sad . Thanthri's Instructions are being ignored by the

Administrators . Therefore, he is not giving anymore instructions .

> Temple Officials are misusing the Temple wealth . Both the previous and

present Officials are guilty of sinful activities . Some Staff are entering the

Temple after consuming Liquor .

> There is impurity in the `Nivedaya- items' being offered to Bhagavan .

> Bhagvan's favorite , Milk and Plantain Nivedyam have been stopped .

> In the Temple's Gokulam , Bhagavan;'s Cows are not looked after properly .

Theft and even killing of Cows have occurred . `Go-Sapa' (Curse of Cows) exists

..

> Within a few months , one Temple Elephant will die .

> Please forward this message to as many Bhakthas as possible . Let everyone

pray Sree Guruvayoorappan .

> Om Namo Narayanaya !!! Please protect us , O Guruvayoor Bhagavan !!!!

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I am not interested in your vainglorious arguments.You hv your faith I hv my own.No further arguments.I stand on my words.That is all.krishnadaya <krishnadaya wrote: Krishna , Guruvayoorappa ! Dear Bhakthas , I am not interested to

argue with anyone who does not accept the divine "Will " of Guruvayoorappan . If such people accuse me a "Textile owner near Guruvayoor Temple" or "Mentally Unsound" , I don't care . Actually , I am lower than that . I am a Beggar who lives on alms from my Ishta-Devan Sree Krishna . What to say , if somebody considers the "Devaprasnam" as fake "Kavadi-Nirathal " ( spreading of dices) by Street-Astrologers ! . What to tell , if they accuse renowned Vedic-Scholars like Irinjalakkuda Padmanabha Sharma and Paravoor Sreedharan Thanthri as brokers of Devaswom-Contractors and Textile Owners ! . Those Bhakthas who have some about the Devaprasnam may please note the following: Each Jyothishi was selected individually on the basis of his reputation . The Jyothishis represented all classes such as Brahamana, Kshatriya , Vaisya , Sudra and Avarna . The `Avarna' Jyothishi , Paravaoor Sreedharan Thanthri is the winner of this year's "Amritha Keerthi Award " in recognition of his contributions to Kshethra-Thanthram and Jyothisham . He is the founder of Sree Narayana

Thanthra Vidya Peettam at Paravoor , Author of Several books on Thanthram and Jyothisham , and a Practising Thanthri of many major Temples . Only those Jyothishis who have adequate "Sadhana" to interpret Divine Will , participated in "Devaprasnam". They were pure "Daivajnas" . Since it was for Bhagavan , they didn't ask Fee . Some "Daivajnas" accepted just a coin as a " token-Daskshina" while others accepted what they were given . They considered it as a SEVA to Guruvayoorappan and not an opportunity to earn money . The unnecessary "Devaprasnam" held last year at Sabarimala was arranged by

the Devaswam Board without Thanthri's consent . It was conducted without invoking the Deity and without proper rituals . Therefore it can not be mis-quoted to rubbish the process of "Devaprasnam" as a whole . The Guruvayoor Devaprasnam was decided by all concerned parties . It was long-overdue and the accidents and inauspicious omens were a matter of concern to all . From beginning to end it was held strictly in accordance with the "Shastras" . In reality , the "Devaprasnam-ritual" comprised of the following: Thanthric rituals by

Thanthris and Mel-Shanthi to invoke Guruvayoorappan and His Upadevas . Sadhana of "Daivajnas" . "Prardhana" of Bhakthas . Revelation of Divine Will by Guruvayoorappan & Upadevas . The comprehensive "Vichinthanam" (analysis) by Daivajnas have covered all aspects of each topic . They always encouraged the participants to

raise questions. And clarified all the queries satisfactorily to arrive at a unanimous conclusion on each topic . The divinity of this Devaprasnam was confirmed by the following events : Revelation about Death and Suicide , were proved correct . When it was revealed about the imminent threat to Temple , as advised by the "Daivajnas", a "Samooha- Prarthana"( Social Prayer) was held by Thantrees , Poojaris , Devaswom Staff and Bhakthas . Auspicious "nimithams" like the appearance of Malliyoor Thirumeni , occurred the next day it self . Publicity-crazy leaders like Sukumar-Azhikkode's claims on Guruvayoorappan's rejection of " Kshethra- Acharas" were proved wrong . When that man accused the "Astrologers" of spitting on Indian culture and demanded their whipping and kicking-out , the "Daivajnas" proved their `sattvic-nature' by ignoring the tirade . The "Daivajnas" invited all skeptics to debate the Findings on the basis of "Shastras" . But no Critic came forward to challenge . Om Namo Narayanya!!! May Guruvayoorappan protect His Temple and His Bhkthas !!! Krishnadaya. ----------guruvayur , GANAPATHY RAMAN <agraman62 wrote:>> Dear Krishna daya or dasa,> > I am not a skeptic Hindu as you imagine as you hv no idea abt me even after long association but I am a practical man and not unduly give credence to certain things which I feel not to my liking.This is not to digress your belief or anybody's but only my views.It is ok if you hv a different set of convictions and your clarifications though look nice can't be vouchsafed.Anyway it is always a pleasure to hv argument with you as many things come out of your bag though you can't expect all to accept your

views.Whoever not agreeing your views you say are communists or atheists and such a notion must hv stemmed out of your > personal experience.So you must change such notions.I say this as your well wisher.Sometimes your blind faith take you to different mode of thinking which is not palatable.You are my good friend and always I wish the same.As you used to say we shall agree to disagree on things which we differ.Anyway for your happiness I appreciate your clarifications.I don't hv any ill will against you and just expressed my thoughts which you may not like but never dub all people who are not agreeing with your views as communists or anti Hindus.Such mind set up is really pathetic and shows some type of mental aberration.God Bless.> > > agraman.> > krishnadaya krishnadaya wrote:> Krishna , Guruvayoorappa . Dear Bhakthas , > I do agree that many skeptic Hindus have the same views given below by

Sri.Ganapathy Ramanji . Let me clarify as follows : > > "Devaprasnam " a Sacred Ritual > I still remember one event in my Childhood . My Father who was a member of the Temple-Committee just returned after meeting Sree ,Cheppad Kaimal , a Vedic Jyothishi . It was to invite him for a "Devaprasnam" to be conducted in the Temple . Father told us that , the Jyothishi had noted various details such as , the exact time of their arrival , what they said first , " nimithams" ( symptoms in place) , etc . We all were seeing `Devaprasnam' the first time and therefore all these were new to us . > After conducting necessary rituals to invoke the Deity , `Devaprasnam' started . The revelations of the Deity in the "Devaprasnam" stunned every one . It revealed hitherto unknown information such as immoral activities inside the Temple by the Convener and his Female assistant , Misconducts by the Priest , Routine urination inside the Temple by an old Neighbour ,

etc, etc . It even found out the exact address of our original Family-temple about 150 Km away , which no one knew till then . > As revealed by the Deity in the `Devaprasnam' , the total structure of the Temple-set up changed soon . Today , it is one of the main Temples of our area and it's present Thanthri is Kantararu Rajeevararu ( Sabarimala-Thanthri ) . > After the above events , I got opportunities to involve with some other `Devaprasnams' as well , and what I have learnt from it , convinced me about the reliability of `Devaprasnam ` . We don't have any other system in place to know the will of the Deity . > I remember one more event . About 20 years back , in Sabarimala , a major Construction was proposed but it was rejected in the "Devaprasnam" . It was revealed that , if proceeded the modification will cause death. ( Cheppad Kaimal was one Jyothishi) . However, then Board and it's Contractor ignored it and proceeded to complete the works .

Within next 3 months , the Contractor became bankrupt and committed suicide . Later , the Board President ( a leading Politician) too lost his post and died miserably . > > Guruvayoor Devaprasnam > The Guruvayoor Devaprasnam is conducted after 17 years . Usually it is conducted after every 12 years, to know the condition of "Äshtabandham" and other status . However , the recommendations of the previous `Devaprasnam' had not been implemented fully and therefore the Board was postponing it . Recently , several accidents happened in Guruvayoor . This include frequent violent behavior of Temple Elephants , Falling down of "Thidambu" (Festival Deity) from Elephant's top , Several Deaths inside the Temple Pond and inside the Temple premises , Quarrels , Thefts, etc, etc . The Guruvayoor Devaswom Board is composed of Government Nominees , Administrator ( Govt. Employee) and Traditional Members like Samoothiri Raja , Thanthri , one representative of

Traditional Temple Staff , etc . The Government Nominees are Marxists who have no faith in God . They are interested only in looting the Temple funds and undermining it's spirituality . For this , they appointed many of> their atheistic Comrades as Temple staff. They are the ones who corrupted the other staff as well . Even Immoral activities and Alcohol-consumption became frequent in the Temple . > > Eminent Jyothishis Conducted the Guruavayoor Devaprasnam . > Irinjalakkuda Padmanabha Sharma was the lead `Jyothishi ' and he was assisted by Paravoor Sreedharan Thanthri, Ravunni Panicker, Nagilassery Raghavan Nair, Cherode Narayana Panicker, Manappuzha Raman Namboothiri, Soman Panicker, Jayaraj Panicker and Prasanth Menon . They are presently the most reputed Vedic Jyothishis in Kerala . Majority of them are qualified Thanthris as well . > 4. The Best Devaprasnam in Recent Times > The `Devaprasnam' was started only after performing

necessary Vedic rituals like (81) days long Bhagavathy Seva , Ganapathy Homam , Maha-Mrithunjaya Homam , etc . The Deity of Guruvayoorappan was duly invoked by the Thanthri prior to starting the "Devaprasnam". > It was predicted on the first day that there would be deaths in the Temple during the "Devaprasnam" . It proved correct , as two deaths and one attempted suicide took place . > No commercial aspect is attributed to this "Devaprasnam" . They just revealed Bhagavan's will as it is without any fear or favor . It takes to task every one including the Board , Thantri, Poojaris, Staff , etc , etc . No one was spared . It is a sin to doubt the integrity of these `Sattvic-Karma Yogis' . May Guruvayoorappan shower His choicest blessings on these Acharyas !!!. > Bhagavan has revealed that , He doesn't want Churidar and such foreign dresses inside the Temple . He wants no change on the "Kshethra-Acharas" . > I fully agree with the revelations

.. Most Women are not wearing the Churidar in a decent way in side the Temple . The use of Shawl is out of fashion ; and consequently they appear to be exposed . When we see a Woman in traditional dress inside the Temple , she reminds us of Bhagavathy . Let the sacred system continue as it is . > A Personal Note : > My Bhakthy-Yoga is founded on what I learnt from my Parents , Elders and the Acharyas with whom I have associated . As a `Padasevak' of Bhagavan Krishna , I just act according to His will . > Bhagavan Sree Krishna says in Bhagavatam 11.7.23 " Although I, the Supreme Lord can never be captured by ordinary sense perception , those situated in human life may use their intelligence and other faculties of perception to directly search for Me through both apparent and indirectly ascertained symptoms " . > Om Namo narayanaya !!! >

--------> guruvayur , GANAPATHY RAMAN agraman62@ wrote:> >> > I thought Krishnadaya is a person with good knowledge.However after accepting what some astrologers said and accepting the same as said in Vedas he has gone away from tangent and exhibited his ignorance abt the wishes of Sri > > Guruvayurappan.Really pathetic to succumb to such obnoxious findings of the astrologers in the form of Devaprasnam and one who does not accept the same to be treated as atheist or marxist.I feel sorry for a knowledgeable person like > > Krishnadaya.How on earth he finds that the same are the wishes of Sri > > Guruvayurappan.Many factors like

cleanliness,renovation,reshaping of the existing things can be known to all and the Board has to do it with its enormous funds and there is no necessity to invoke Lord for making the temple a really spiritual abode.For that purpose there is no necessity for Devaprasnam for a number of days and debates spending enormous amount and with that all the things could hv been rectified.It is really pitiable that Krishnadaya has become a victim for such things and dubbing people who say anything against ascommunists.I think he is living in the vedic age.Sorry for for my harsh comments but be practical Krishnadaya.In what way it affects you whether a lady wears churidar instead of saree etc .I hpe you are not running any textile shop near the temple.Bhagawan has never said anything.Why you find fault with that?For your info I don't hv any churidar or other shop.Really sorry abt your anxiety which is nothing but a matter for pity.This is not to> > remove

your faith which is not my intention but just to keep you informed about the changing times and the necessity for that as change is the order of the day and devotees > > from many States can't be expected to wear sarees etc.and Guruvayurappan is not confined Deity only to those of Kerala.All temples everywhere change the customs according to times and Adi Sankara too never said that only those things shuld be followed.It is all the things stemmed out of the peoles's mind who hv got their own interest uppermost.Regarding other things you hv noted I don't hv the patience to read and so not making any comments.But don't drag the intrepretations of astrologers whatever be their qualifications as the wish of Guruvayurappan as they themselves won't be sure except by intrepreting some planetary positions which hv got nothing to to do with the Cosmic Power that is > > Sri Guruvayurappan.Anyway I appreciate your interest on the subject which is not

worthwhile to spend time.> > > > > > krishnadaya krishnadaya@ wrote:> > Krishna, Guruvayoorappa ! , Dear Bhakthas , > > The Eight day long Guruvayoor "Ashtmangala Devaprasnam" was successfully completed yesterday ( 07 Nov. ) . > > What was performed yesterday was verifying Guruvayoorappan's will on the proposed remedial measures . As solution to each of the discovered shortcomings , an offering was proposed with a prayer to the concerned Devatha , and verified His/Her acceptance or rejection, through the analysis of "Rasi" .> > 1. At first , praying Guruvayoorappan , it was proposed to submit at His Sopanam, "Bhadradeepam" in Silver pot with "Suvarnakshatha" inside it , Palpayasam worth Rs.1001, "Thrikkaivenna" , "Thrumudimala" , Milk, and Sugar . These will be submitted by the Temple's Ooralan , Othikkanmar , Keezh-Shaanthis, and Other traditional Staff . And after submitting it they all will admit

their mistakes to Bhagavan , apologize to Him , and prostrate at His feet , seeking Bhagavan's forgiveness . In the "Rasi" , "Vyazham" ( Guru) was found in the 9th house . This auspicious revelation confirmed that , Guruvayoorappan is satisfied with the proposed Offerings and Remedial Measures . > > 2. In the Mammiyoor Temple , "Rudradhara" & "Pinvilakku" to Siva, "Palpayasam" to Vishnu , and relevant offerings to the other Devathas in Mammiyoor and to the Deities in associated Temples , other nearby Temples, Kannur Idakkad Temple, and Irinjalakkuda Koodal Manikyam Temple , were proposed . It was found to be acceptable to Them . > > Remedial Measures > > The following Remedial measures were proposed and found to be acceptable to Bhagavan and the Upadevathas : > > 1. The Defective Golden Flag Pole shall be replaces with a New one , within next (13) months . > > 2. In the Devawom Guest house compound , a "Valkannadi " (

Mirror Image) to be consecrated on the "Karimkali Thara"( Platform for Karimkali Deity) . And yearly Pooja to be offered there after laying Padmam ( lotus) . > > 3. On the Ekadasi day , the procession to the East should halt at it's previous end point " Theeyyar Ambalam" , offer salutations there before proceeding to the Parthasarathy Temple for "Irakkiyezhunnallathu" .> > 4. To eliminate the "Sarpa-Dosham" ( ill-effects caused by Serpents) , a golden Sepent-image , and "Puttum" shall be submitted at "Pambumekkavu Mana " ( Temple-Abode of Serpents) . > > 5. Symbolic Offering of Elephant to be performed . > > 6. To eliminate the ill- effects for the misdeeds of all those associated with the Temple , Devaswom board should conduct every year, "Maha-Sudarshana Homam" ( 96,000 chants) , "Thila-havanam" (1,00,000 chants) , "Sukrutha-Homam" and 12 days long "Ganapthy-Homams" . Also , "Kalkachikichuttu" ( with 108 "Ashtothara

shatanamam") and "Vilichucholli-prayachittham" will be carried out . As a remedy for various types of Curses , "Murahomam" will be performed every year . Also "Maha-Mrithunjaya Homam" and "Bhagavathy Seva" shall be performed every year . > > 7. Every year , a "Sukrutha-Homam" shall be performed with 24, 000 chants of Gayathri-Manthra , to increase the "Sukrutha" of Temple . > > 8. Thanthri , himself shall decide and perform his "Prayachittham" ( atonement) to Bhagavan .> > 9. Any money offered on the "Thrippadi" ( step to Sreekovil) , belongs to Bhagavan . > > 10. As an atonement of Go-sapa ( Curse of Cows) it was first proposed to offer a Cow to Bhagavathy . But , it was not found sufficient . So , a golden image of Cow will be offered to Bhagavathy . > > Note : > > > > It was re-confirmed that , Bhagavan does not accept any amendment to the existing "Kshetra-Acharas" . > > Before , the

conclusion of Devaprasnam two Members of the Devaswom Managing Committee raised objections . Mr. M.M.Vasudevan alleged that , some of the findings and remedial measures revealed in the Devaprasnam will pull us to 200 years back just for the sake of Acharas . Prof. T.R. Harry stated that , the Girl-students in his college had asked him whether Churidar could be permitted in side the Temple . > > The Lead Jyothishi , Padmanabha Sharma calmly pointed out that , the Dress Codes of Educational institutions are not suitable for Temple . While coming to the Temple for Darshan , all Bhakthas should follow the Dress Code that is prescribed for the Temple . He reiterated that , Guruvayoorappan rejects all sorts of changes to the time-proven "Kshetra-Acharas" . Also , he invited all skeptics to come to the dais to have a debate on the basis of Vedic Injunctions . > > The above said , two Members ( who are Marxist Nominees in the Director Board) started yelling

"Times have progressed . Churidar must be allowed inside the Temple " . > > This infuriated the Bhakthas present there . They declared in one voice " What matters is Guruvayoorappan's will alone . And not the wishes of Others . We do not need Bhagavan-Haters in Guruvayoor Temple , anymore " . > > As the situation became vociferous , and the mentioned Atheists were looking for an escape route , Padmanabha Sharma , the Lead Jyothishi pacified the Bhakthas , assuring them that Guruvayoorappan's will shall prevail . > > Findings ( 31 Oct. -- 06 Nov. ) . > > Summary > > > > Bhagavan is upset over the violation of "Kshethra Acharas" , Desecration of Temple , Immoral activities inside the Temple , etc by God-haters . Possible, Bomb/Fire/Riot might cause mass killing in or outside the Temple . > > Thanthri is Bhagavan's Representative . What he says is to be accepted by everyone . > > Golden

Flag Pole is defective . Temple- Elephants may pull it down . > > No entry to Non-Hindus . Only those having full faith in Deity worship and Kshethra-Acharas , shall enter the Temple. > > No change in the Temple's Dress Code . Churidar is unacceptable . It has already caused violence by Elephants . It's continuation will cause death and destruction to all responsible for it . > > Upadeva Ganesha's Moorthy and Temple are defective . Renovation , required for His Temple . > > Bhgagavan's Cows were stolen and killed . Serious Go-Shapa will cause calamities . > > Guruvayoor Temple should be treated as an important Shrine in the whole Country and any adverse thing happening to the Temple would have its fallout on the entire Nation .> > Deratiled Findings > > 1. Bhagavan stressed the need to rectify certain structural defects found in the golden Flag Pole of the Temple . It's foundation is damaged due to the

attack of insects . Flag Pole is the abode of Bhagavan's vehicle Garuda . It has been dislocated and tilted . If one measures from it's footing to "veeraknadam" (upper portion) , the dislocation can be found out . if the defective Flag Pole is not replaced with a new one , the present Flag Pole will be pulled down by Temple Elephants .> > 2. Bhagavan wants the Temple to set up Facilities for the study of Sanskrit and Vedas . The Vedas are very important to Guruvayoor Temple . Necessary Facilities should be provided for higher education of Sanskrit . > > 3. Ordinary Bhaktas should not face any hurdle in worshipping Bhagavan due to restrictions made in the name of VIP visits . At present , such difficulties exist and certain Temple staff are behaving rudely with the Bhkthas . This is absolutely unacceptable . Bhagavan is always pleased by the Bhakthy of Common man . > > 4. Bhagavan does not want , more than one `Udayasthamana Pooja' in a day .

> > 5. The Building in side the Temple premises can be taller than the Temple . But it's floor level should be lower than that of Temple . On such floor , any number of storeys can be constructed . This has no relation with the height of Flag Pole . Considering the roads around the Temple as boundary limits, this condition should be adhered to . > > 6. Materials once used for "Thulabharam" can be used again . However, the decayed materials should not be used . > > 7. The water from the "Manikkinar" ( Temple's well ) , can be used for Thulabharam . > > 8. The future of Bhagavan's presence in Guruvayoor Temple is bright . The present unpleasant issues can be resolved by "Prayrachitham" (Atonement rituals) . These remedial measures must be completed within one year . > > ( Note - : Some Devotees brought to the Jyothishis' attention , criticisms in the media against the Jyothishis . But the Jyothishis preferred not to discuss

it with Bhagavan . They stated " This Devaprasnam is being conducted strictly according to the Scriptural Injunctions and associated Vedic Shaastras . We are ready to answer any doubts on this . In stead of that , if some one wants to arrest us , we are helpless . ) > > > > The "Suvarna-Dwajam" ( Golden Flag Pole ) is not vertical and it is in damaged condition . It's present position too is not correct . This may cause Serious Dangers . > > Thanthri ( Temple-Acharya ) is not issuing necessary instructions on time. He feels that, what he says will upset the concerned Authorities ; especially since , what he told in the past were ignored totally . Bhagavan is furious over this situation . > > Some Devotees pointed out that , Udayastamana Pooja is performed for a single person only ; And therefore is it necessary to close and open the Sreekovil-Door for it ? . > > Bhagavan replied that , Poojas are not for one Person only .

More Udayasthamana Poojas and Thanthric rites are for increasing the `Deva çhaithanyam' (aura) . > > The "Pillaru-Thalappoly " ( Ritualistic Offerings on a plate , by children) , being conducted by the local group , is very satisfying to Bhagavathy ( Upadevi , Durga) . > > The Turmeric powder being offered to Bhagavathy , has less purity . > > Bhagavathy does not need "Kunkuma-archana" . > > In the Devawom guest house , a "Karimkaalithara" ( platform for `Karimkaali –Deity ' ) is to be provided . > > A particular person from the " Othikkan " (Traditional Poojari) family, is continuously showing disrespect to the position of Thanthri . Bhagavan is upset over this . If this is not stopped immediately , there will be dire consequences . > > In the previous Devawom Cow-Shelter "Kaaveedu" , some Cows were killed . In order to avoid it's ill-effects in the new Cow-Shelter , "Kalasa Pooja" and other atonements to be

performed for Bhagavathy . > > Some "KeezhShaantis" ( Assistant Poojaris) are not maintaining the necessary personal purity, required for Poojas . This is repeated many times . This will cause calamities in the "Thidappally" ( Platform in front of Sanctum Sanctorum) itself . > > Some Temple Staff are not performing their duties properly and are shifting it's blame to others . They are going for other assignments that fetches better income . Also , there is serious infighting among the Staff . > > Quoting verses from the "Kapilopadesa in Bhagavatham" , Justice Radhakrishna Menon raised doubts about the previous days revelations on rejection of Churidar . The Jyothishis re-confirmed with evidence that, Bhagavan does not like any amendment to the time-proven "Kshetra-Aachaaras" , in such unauthorized ways . > > Change in Dress Code> > ( History : On 27th July, Guruvayur Devaswom had relaxed the traditional Temple Dress code to

allow Women Devotees to wear Churidar inside the Temple . Earlier, women could wear only dresses such as sari, set-mundu, half-sari and skirt and blouse to the Temple. Even if women wore kurtas to the shrine, they had to wear a `mundu' over the pyjamas. However , soon after the Marxist led agitations seeking amendment of "Kshetra Aachaaras' ( Temple customs) , the Marxist Devaswom Board President announced his decision to allow Churidar inside the Temple. Later this matter was taken up in the Board meeting wherein the Thantri sated his objection . But, the Board flatly refused to revoke it's public announcement and ordered the Thantri to shut up.) > > In the wake of Guruvayoorappan's objections to the changes in `Kshetra-Acharas ` , the recent change in Dress code was checked on the fifth day of `Devaprasnam' . During the `Acharyavaranakriya' , when a new cloth was brought , the Board Official instructed to cut it and fetch a small piece out of it .

When the cloth was cut , it became ` Gana-vastra' which according to Jyothisha is used for post-death rituals . Based on this `nimitham' ( divine syndrome) , Jyothishis analysed further to find out Bhagavan's will . And the following was revealed :> > > > Devaswam officials had issued a strict instruction to the Thanthri and all concerned to allow Churidar inside the Temple . > > Thanthri was not allowed to raise his objection . Because of this , he could not seek Bhagavan's permission or conduct the Social Prayer necessary for seeking Bhagavan's consent for the change of ` Aachaara `. Therefore , instead of a natural change , Dewaswam's will was imposed on Thantri and Bhagavan . Next day, onwards Women started entering the Temple wearing Churidar which was unacceptable to Bhagavan . This resulted in the violent behavior of Temple-Elephants , Falling down of ` Thidambu'( Festival Deity) , etc . If this non-obedience is continued, it will be

harmful to the Person wearing the Churidar and their families . It could result in premature deaths . Even, it could even harm the human kind as a whole . > > Guruvayoorappan wants His Bhaktas to wear simple traditional dress inside the Temple . Dresses like Churidar is `paradesi ` ( foreign) , which is unacceptable to Bhagavan. > > > > Devaswom Shelters for Old and Orphan Bhakthas > > Bhagavan reiterated His desire to accommodate and protect His Old and Orphan Bhakthas in a Shelter which should be constructed by Devaswom . He pointed out that , according to His instructions earlier , daily `Prasada Ooottu `( Feeding of the Bhakthas) was started for 500 Bhakthas . Now it is provided daily for 5000 Bhakthas . Likewise , the Shelter will also be a success . While this was discussed , Bhagavatha Hamsam Malliyoor Shankaran Namboothiri ( Guruvayoorappan's legendary Bhakta) , entered the dais of Devaprasnam . Jyothishis found this as

the divine omen of Bhagavan''s presence there and Bhaktavalsala's compassion for His Devotees .> > > > In near future, the cloth of a person arriving for Darshan will be caught fire in the Temple . Also, in the Temple premises , one's wife will be killed by an Elephant or Cow . > > Devaswom Board must consider `Krishnanaattam' (which is very dear to Bhagavan) , as Sacred . In last two years , during Vijayadasami , the 9 days long `Krishnanaattam' is not conducted by Devaswam Board . Devotees are offering it . Devaswam must conduct this with faith . > > The "Koothambalam" (Auditorium for Temple Arts) is as important as the Temple . It must be cleaned daily and an Oil lamp to be lit there . > > The continuing atonement for removing the previous Temple-Acharyas Puliyannoor Family long back , to be performed properly . It is not carried out decently now . > > The Garland for Sreekovil , to be prepared in the

Temple itself . > > Those working inside the Temple , must use decent Language . > > Efforts must be made to keep the Temple clean . > > The Daily Ritual " Olavaayana " ( A Warrier temple-staff writes the Day's Income and Expenses on a Palm Leaf and Reads it out to Bhagavan before the closure of Temple , every night ) , has been stopped . Instead it is issued in writing to Him , as a token gesture . Bhagavan is furious at this Cheating . Right from tonight (03 Nov) , "Olavaayana" must be resumed . > > The existing "Achaaraas'( Rituals and Practices of the Temple) can not be debated and amended by any ` Acharya-Sabha' ( Assembly of Vedic Acharyas and Experts) . They are to be adhered to as it is . > > The `Guru-parambara' relationship in the Temple, has been lost . > > The `Thidambu' ( Festival Moorthy) has fallen down . For that, `prayachitha' atonement was not done properly . > > Bhagavan is unhappy

over the financial burden being imposed on His Bhakthas , by Devaswom Board's frequent increases in the material cost of Offerings . > > `Prasadam' is being sold in the Shops outside the Temple. > > There are defects in the Moorthy of Ganapathy , the Upadeva . Waste materials are stockpiled inside His temple . His displeasure will cause irritation to the Temple Elephants . Renovation of His temple needs to be done . > > The Construction works inside the Temple premises , were carried out without Bhagavan's consent . There are defects in those works . In matters of `Vastu' , the opinions of more than one Expert need to be sought . > > The relocated positions of Upadevas are not compatible with that of Flag staff . > > There are reductions in the Poojas . > > The Temple Pond has become impure . Many deaths have occurred therein already . It is not maintained as Sacred . > > Another Temple Pond having the

Divine presence, was filled up totally . > > The sacred Ashoka tree near the Bhagavathy Temple was cut down . It's atonement needs to be done . > > The Coconuts once offered to Bhagavathy are offered to Her again and again to save cost and time . This is unacceptable to Her . > > Sastha , the Upadeva is unhappy due to lapses in His rituals . > > Although , the Temple Administrators and their Masters will try to block the proposed remedial measures , Bhagavan's grace will help to complete it . > > Guruvayoorappan is unhappy over the lapses in the " Kshethra-Acharas" ( Temple-Customs) . As a result, Bomb/Fire/Riots might cause mass deaths inside or just outside the Temple . > > `Deva-Chaithanyam' ( aura) is intact on the Deity which is unique . > > There will be sharp increase in the inflow of Devotees and Temple revenue . > > Guruvayoor Temple should be treated as an important Shrine in the

whole Country and any adverse thing happening to the Temple would have its fallout on the entire Nation . > > Bhagavan's money is being misused by the concerned Officials . > > Certain Staff are involving in `Adharmic' ( unrighteous) activities inside Temple premises . > > Entry on Non-Hindus inside Temple , is unacceptable to Bhagavan . Devotees having firm faith in Deity worship and temple customs are the ones to enter the Temple . > > The Thanthri ( Acharya of the temple) , is not allowed by the Devaswom Officials to perform his duties properly . Because of this , Bhagavan is unhappy and the Thantri is very sad . Thanthri's Instructions are being ignored by the Administrators . Therefore, he is not giving anymore instructions . > > Temple Officials are misusing the Temple wealth . Both the previous and present Officials are guilty of sinful activities . Some Staff are entering the Temple after consuming Liquor . >

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Very good.Thanks a lot for your comments.That is not going to make the world upside down.rajesh menon <rajeshkizhiyedath wrote: Mr ag raman proved himself he is a skeptic hindu by his words used in the mail.he said he is practical man to find excuses about the thing which should not happen. As per his concern all astrolegers are owner of textile shop to promote sarees in guruvayoour. How could he can

humiliate them. Realy pathetic about him Rajesh Menon Dubai GANAPATHY RAMAN <agraman62 (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: Dear Krishna daya or dasa, I am not a skeptic Hindu as you imagine as you hv no idea abt me even after long association but I am a practical man and not unduly give credence to certain things which I feel not to my

liking.This is not to digress your belief or anybody's but only my views.It is ok if you hv a different set of convictions and your clarifications though look nice can't be vouchsafed.Anyway it is always a pleasure to hv argument with you as many things come out of your bag though you can't expect all to accept your views.Whoever not agreeing your views you say are communists or atheists and such a notion must hv stemmed out of your personal experience.So you must change such notions.I say this as your well wisher.Sometimes your blind faith take you to different mode of thinking which is not palatable.You are my good friend and always I wish the same.As you used to say we shall agree to disagree on things which we differ.Anyway for your happiness I appreciate your clarifications.I don't hv any ill will against you and just expressed my thoughts which you may not like but never dub all people who are not agreeing with your views as communists or anti

Hindus.Such mind set up is really pathetic and shows some type of mental aberration.God Bless. agraman.krishnadaya <krishnadaya > wrote: Krishna , Guruvayoorappa . Dear Bhakthas , I do agree that many skeptic Hindus have the same views given below by Sri.Ganapathy Ramanji . Let me clarify as follows : "Devaprasnam " a Sacred

Ritual I still remember one event in my Childhood . My Father who was a member of the Temple-Committee just returned after meeting Sree ,Cheppad Kaimal , a Vedic Jyothishi . It was to invite him for a "Devaprasnam" to be conducted in the Temple . Father told us that , the Jyothishi had noted various details such as , the exact time of their arrival , what they said first , " nimithams" ( symptoms in place) , etc . We all were seeing `Devaprasnam' the first time and therefore all these were new to us . After conducting necessary rituals to invoke the Deity , `Devaprasnam' started . The revelations of the Deity in

the "Devaprasnam" stunned every one . It revealed hitherto unknown information such as immoral activities inside the Temple by the Convener and his Female assistant , Misconducts by the Priest , Routine urination inside the Temple by an old Neighbour , etc, etc . It even found out the exact address of our original Family-temple about 150 Km away , which no one knew till then . As revealed by the Deity in the `Devaprasnam' , the total structure of the Temple-set up changed soon . Today , it is one of the main Temples of our area and it's present Thanthri is Kantararu Rajeevararu ( Sabarimala-Thanthri ) . After the above events ,

I got opportunities to involve with some other `Devaprasnams' as well , and what I have learnt from it , convinced me about the reliability of `Devaprasnam ` . We don't have any other system in place to know the will of the Deity . I remember one more event . About 20 years back , in Sabarimala , a major Construction was proposed but it was rejected in the "Devaprasnam" . It was revealed that , if proceeded the modification will cause death. ( Cheppad Kaimal was one Jyothishi) . However, then Board and it's Contractor ignored it and proceeded to complete the works . Within next 3 months , the Contractor became bankrupt and committed suicide . Later , the Board President ( a leading Politician) too lost his post and died miserably . Guruvayoor Devaprasnam The Guruvayoor Devaprasnam is conducted after 17 years . Usually it is conducted after every 12 years, to know the condition of "Äshtabandham" and other status . However , the recommendations of the previous `Devaprasnam' had not been implemented fully and therefore the Board was postponing it . Recently , several accidents happened in Guruvayoor . This include frequent violent behavior of Temple Elephants , Falling down of "Thidambu" (Festival Deity) from Elephant's top , Several Deaths inside the Temple Pond and inside the

Temple premises , Quarrels , Thefts, etc, etc . The Guruvayoor Devaswom Board is composed of Government Nominees , Administrator ( Govt. Employee) and Traditional Members like Samoothiri Raja , Thanthri , one representative of Traditional Temple Staff , etc . The Government Nominees are Marxists who have no faith in God . They are interested only in looting the Temple funds and undermining it's spirituality . For this , they appointed many of their atheistic Comrades as Temple staff. They are the ones who corrupted the other staff as well . Even Immoral activities and Alcohol-consumption became frequent in the Temple . Eminent Jyothishis Conducted the Guruavayoor Devaprasnam . Irinjalakkuda Padmanabha Sharma was the lead `Jyothishi ' and he was assisted by Paravoor Sreedharan Thanthri, Ravunni Panicker, Nagilassery Raghavan Nair, Cherode Narayana Panicker, Manappuzha Raman Namboothiri, Soman Panicker, Jayaraj Panicker and Prasanth Menon . They are presently the most reputed Vedic Jyothishis in Kerala . Majority of them are qualified Thanthris as well . 4. The Best Devaprasnam in Recent Times The

`Devaprasnam' was started only after performing necessary Vedic rituals like (81) days long Bhagavathy Seva , Ganapathy Homam , Maha-Mrithunjaya Homam , etc . The Deity of Guruvayoorappan was duly invoked by the Thanthri prior to starting the "Devaprasnam". It was predicted on the first day that there would be deaths in the Temple during the "Devaprasnam" . It proved correct , as two deaths and one attempted suicide took place . No commercial aspect is attributed to this "Devaprasnam" . They just revealed Bhagavan's will as it is without any fear

or favor . It takes to task every one including the Board , Thantri, Poojaris, Staff , etc , etc . No one was spared . It is a sin to doubt the integrity of these `Sattvic-Karma Yogis' . May Guruvayoorappan shower His choicest blessings on these Acharyas !!!. Bhagavan has revealed that , He doesn't want Churidar and such foreign dresses inside the Temple . He wants no change on the "Kshethra-Acharas" . I fully agree with the revelations . Most Women are not wearing the Churidar in a decent way in side the Temple . The use of Shawl is out of fashion ; and consequently they appear to

be exposed . When we see a Woman in traditional dress inside the Temple , she reminds us of Bhagavathy . Let the sacred system continue as it is . A Personal Note : My Bhakthy-Yoga is founded on what I learnt from my Parents , Elders and the Acharyas with whom I have associated . As a `Padasevak' of Bhagavan Krishna , I just act according to His will . Bhagavan Sree Krishna says in Bhagavatam 11.7.23 " Although I, the Supreme Lord can never be captured by ordinary sense perception , those situated in human life may use

their intelligence and other faculties of perception to directly search for Me through both apparent and indirectly ascertained symptoms " . Om Namo narayanaya !!! --------guruvayur , GANAPATHY RAMAN <agraman62 wrote:>> I thought Krishnadaya is a person with good knowledge.However after accepting what some astrologers said and accepting the same

as said in Vedas he has gone away from tangent and exhibited his ignorance abt the wishes of Sri > Guruvayurappan.Really pathetic to succumb to such obnoxious findings of the astrologers in the form of Devaprasnam and one who does not accept the same to be treated as atheist or marxist.I feel sorry for a knowledgeable person like > Krishnadaya.How on earth he finds that the same are the wishes of Sri > Guruvayurappan.Many factors like cleanliness,renovation,reshaping of the existing things can be known to all and the Board has to do it with its enormous funds and there is no necessity to invoke Lord for making the temple a really spiritual abode.For that purpose there is no necessity for Devaprasnam for a number of days and debates spending enormous amount and with that all the things could hv been rectified.It is really pitiable that Krishnadaya has become a victim for such things and dubbing people who say anything against

ascommunists.I think he is living in the vedic age.Sorry for for my harsh comments but be practical Krishnadaya.In what way it affects you whether a lady wears churidar instead of saree etc .I hpe you are not running any textile shop near the temple.Bhagawan has never said anything.Why you find fault with that?For your info I don't hv any churidar or other shop.Really sorry abt your anxiety which is nothing but a matter for pity.This is not to> remove your faith which is not my intention but just to keep you informed about the changing times and the necessity for that as change is the order of the day and devotees > from many States can't be expected to wear sarees etc.and Guruvayurappan is not confined Deity only to those of Kerala.All temples everywhere change the customs according to times and Adi Sankara too never said that only those things shuld be followed.It is all the things stemmed out of the peoles's mind who hv got their own interest

uppermost.Regarding other things you hv noted I don't hv the patience to read and so not making any comments.But don't drag the intrepretations of astrologers whatever be their qualifications as the wish of Guruvayurappan as they themselves won't be sure except by intrepreting some planetary positions which hv got nothing to to do with the Cosmic Power that is > Sri Guruvayurappan.Anyway I appreciate your interest on the subject which is not worthwhile to spend time.> > > krishnadaya krishnadaya wrote:> Krishna, Guruvayoorappa ! , Dear Bhakthas , > The Eight day long Guruvayoor "Ashtmangala Devaprasnam" was successfully completed yesterday ( 07 Nov. ) . > What was performed yesterday was verifying Guruvayoorappan's will on the proposed remedial measures . As solution to each of the discovered shortcomings , an offering was proposed with a prayer to the concerned Devatha , and verified His/Her acceptance or

rejection, through the analysis of "Rasi" .> 1. At first , praying Guruvayoorappan , it was proposed to submit at His Sopanam, "Bhadradeepam" in Silver pot with "Suvarnakshatha" inside it , Palpayasam worth Rs.1001, "Thrikkaivenna" , "Thrumudimala" , Milk, and Sugar . These will be submitted by the Temple's Ooralan , Othikkanmar , Keezh-Shaanthis, and Other traditional Staff . And after submitting it they all will admit their mistakes to Bhagavan , apologize to Him , and prostrate at His feet , seeking Bhagavan's forgiveness . In the "Rasi" , "Vyazham" ( Guru) was found in the 9th house . This auspicious revelation confirmed that , Guruvayoorappan is satisfied with the proposed Offerings and Remedial Measures . > 2. In the Mammiyoor Temple , "Rudradhara" & "Pinvilakku" to Siva, "Palpayasam" to Vishnu , and relevant offerings to the other Devathas in Mammiyoor and to the Deities in associated Temples , other nearby Temples, Kannur Idakkad Temple, and

Irinjalakkuda Koodal Manikyam Temple , were proposed . It was found to be acceptable to Them . > Remedial Measures > The following Remedial measures were proposed and found to be acceptable to Bhagavan and the Upadevathas : > 1. The Defective Golden Flag Pole shall be replaces with a New one , within next (13) months . > 2. In the Devawom Guest house compound , a "Valkannadi " ( Mirror Image) to be consecrated on the "Karimkali Thara"( Platform for Karimkali Deity) . And yearly Pooja to be offered there after laying Padmam ( lotus) . > 3. On the Ekadasi day , the procession to the East should halt at it's previous end point " Theeyyar Ambalam" , offer salutations there before proceeding to the Parthasarathy Temple for "Irakkiyezhunnallathu" .> 4. To eliminate the "Sarpa-Dosham" ( ill-effects caused by Serpents) , a golden Sepent-image , and "Puttum" shall be submitted at "Pambumekkavu Mana " ( Temple-Abode of Serpents) .

> 5. Symbolic Offering of Elephant to be performed . > 6. To eliminate the ill- effects for the misdeeds of all those associated with the Temple , Devaswom board should conduct every year, "Maha-Sudarshana Homam" ( 96,000 chants) , "Thila-havanam" (1,00,000 chants) , "Sukrutha-Homam" and 12 days long "Ganapthy-Homams" . Also , "Kalkachikichuttu" ( with 108 "Ashtothara shatanamam") and "Vilichucholli-prayachittham" will be carried out . As a remedy for various types of Curses , "Murahomam" will be performed every year . Also "Maha-Mrithunjaya Homam" and "Bhagavathy Seva" shall be performed every year . > 7. Every year , a "Sukrutha-Homam" shall be performed with 24, 000 chants of Gayathri-Manthra , to increase the "Sukrutha" of Temple . > 8. Thanthri , himself shall decide and perform his "Prayachittham" ( atonement) to Bhagavan .> 9. Any money offered on the "Thrippadi" ( step to Sreekovil) , belongs to Bhagavan . > 10. As an

atonement of Go-sapa ( Curse of Cows) it was first proposed to offer a Cow to Bhagavathy . But , it was not found sufficient . So , a golden image of Cow will be offered to Bhagavathy . > Note : > > It was re-confirmed that , Bhagavan does not accept any amendment to the existing "Kshetra-Acharas" . > Before , the conclusion of Devaprasnam two Members of the Devaswom Managing Committee raised objections . Mr. M.M.Vasudevan alleged that , some of the findings and remedial measures revealed in the Devaprasnam will pull us to 200 years back just for the sake of Acharas . Prof. T.R. Harry stated that , the Girl-students in his college had asked him whether Churidar could be permitted in side the Temple . > The Lead Jyothishi , Padmanabha Sharma calmly pointed out that , the Dress Codes of Educational institutions are not suitable for Temple . While coming to the Temple for Darshan , all Bhakthas should follow the Dress Code that is prescribed

for the Temple . He reiterated that , Guruvayoorappan rejects all sorts of changes to the time-proven "Kshetra-Acharas" . Also , he invited all skeptics to come to the dais to have a debate on the basis of Vedic Injunctions . > The above said , two Members ( who are Marxist Nominees in the Director Board) started yelling "Times have progressed . Churidar must be allowed inside the Temple " . > This infuriated the Bhakthas present there . They declared in one voice " What matters is Guruvayoorappan's will alone . And not the wishes of Others . We do not need Bhagavan-Haters in Guruvayoor Temple , anymore " . > As the situation became vociferous , and the mentioned Atheists were looking for an escape route , Padmanabha Sharma , the Lead Jyothishi pacified the Bhakthas , assuring them that Guruvayoorappan's will shall prevail . > Findings ( 31 Oct. -- 06 Nov. ) . > Summary > > Bhagavan is upset over the violation of

"Kshethra Acharas" , Desecration of Temple , Immoral activities inside the Temple , etc by God-haters . Possible, Bomb/Fire/Riot might cause mass killing in or outside the Temple . > Thanthri is Bhagavan's Representative . What he says is to be accepted by everyone . > Golden Flag Pole is defective . Temple- Elephants may pull it down . > No entry to Non-Hindus . Only those having full faith in Deity worship and Kshethra-Acharas , shall enter the Temple. > No change in the Temple's Dress Code . Churidar is unacceptable . It has already caused violence by Elephants . It's continuation will cause death and destruction to all responsible for it . > Upadeva Ganesha's Moorthy and Temple are defective . Renovation , required for His Temple . > Bhgagavan's Cows were stolen and killed . Serious Go-Shapa will cause calamities . > Guruvayoor Temple should be treated as an important Shrine in the whole Country and any adverse thing

happening to the Temple would have its fallout on the entire Nation .> Deratiled Findings > 1. Bhagavan stressed the need to rectify certain structural defects found in the golden Flag Pole of the Temple . It's foundation is damaged due to the attack of insects . Flag Pole is the abode of Bhagavan's vehicle Garuda . It has been dislocated and tilted . If one measures from it's footing to "veeraknadam" (upper portion) , the dislocation can be found out . if the defective Flag Pole is not replaced with a new one , the present Flag Pole will be pulled down by Temple Elephants .> 2. Bhagavan wants the Temple to set up Facilities for the study of Sanskrit and Vedas . The Vedas are very important to Guruvayoor Temple . Necessary Facilities should be provided for higher education of Sanskrit . > 3. Ordinary Bhaktas should not face any hurdle in worshipping Bhagavan due to restrictions made in the name of VIP visits . At present , such difficulties

exist and certain Temple staff are behaving rudely with the Bhkthas . This is absolutely unacceptable . Bhagavan is always pleased by the Bhakthy of Common man . > 4. Bhagavan does not want , more than one `Udayasthamana Pooja' in a day . > 5. The Building in side the Temple premises can be taller than the Temple . But it's floor level should be lower than that of Temple . On such floor , any number of storeys can be constructed . This has no relation with the height of Flag Pole . Considering the roads around the Temple as boundary limits, this condition should be adhered to . > 6. Materials once used for "Thulabharam" can be used again . However, the decayed materials should not be used . > 7. The water from the "Manikkinar" ( Temple's well ) , can be used for Thulabharam . > 8. The future of Bhagavan's presence in Guruvayoor Temple is bright . The present unpleasant issues can be resolved by "Prayrachitham" (Atonement rituals) . These

remedial measures must be completed within one year . > ( Note - : Some Devotees brought to the Jyothishis' attention , criticisms in the media against the Jyothishis . But the Jyothishis preferred not to discuss it with Bhagavan . They stated " This Devaprasnam is being conducted strictly according to the Scriptural Injunctions and associated Vedic Shaastras . We are ready to answer any doubts on this . In stead of that , if some one wants to arrest us , we are helpless . ) > > The "Suvarna-Dwajam" ( Golden Flag Pole ) is not vertical and it is in damaged condition . It's present position too is not correct . This may cause Serious Dangers . > Thanthri ( Temple-Acharya ) is not issuing necessary instructions on time. He feels that, what he says will upset the concerned Authorities ; especially since , what he told in the past were ignored totally . Bhagavan is furious over this situation . > Some Devotees pointed out that , Udayastamana

Pooja is performed for a single person only ; And therefore is it necessary to close and open the Sreekovil-Door for it ? . > Bhagavan replied that , Poojas are not for one Person only . More Udayasthamana Poojas and Thanthric rites are for increasing the `Deva çhaithanyam' (aura) . > The "Pillaru-Thalappoly " ( Ritualistic Offerings on a plate , by children) , being conducted by the local group , is very satisfying to Bhagavathy ( Upadevi , Durga) . > The Turmeric powder being offered to Bhagavathy , has less purity . > Bhagavathy does not need "Kunkuma-archana" . > In the Devawom guest house , a "Karimkaalithara" ( platform for `Karimkaali –Deity ' ) is to be provided . > A particular person from the " Othikkan " (Traditional Poojari) family, is continuously showing disrespect to the position of Thanthri . Bhagavan is upset over this . If this is not stopped immediately , there will be dire consequences . > In the previous

Devawom Cow-Shelter "Kaaveedu" , some Cows were killed . In order to avoid it's ill-effects in the new Cow-Shelter , "Kalasa Pooja" and other atonements to be performed for Bhagavathy . > Some "KeezhShaantis" ( Assistant Poojaris) are not maintaining the necessary personal purity, required for Poojas . This is repeated many times . This will cause calamities in the "Thidappally" ( Platform in front of Sanctum Sanctorum) itself . > Some Temple Staff are not performing their duties properly and are shifting it's blame to others . They are going for other assignments that fetches better income . Also , there is serious infighting among the Staff . > Quoting verses from the "Kapilopadesa in Bhagavatham" , Justice Radhakrishna Menon raised doubts about the previous days revelations on rejection of Churidar . The Jyothishis re-confirmed with evidence that, Bhagavan does not like any amendment to the time-proven "Kshetra-Aachaaras" , in such unauthorized ways

.. > Change in Dress Code> ( History : On 27th July, Guruvayur Devaswom had relaxed the traditional Temple Dress code to allow Women Devotees to wear Churidar inside the Temple . Earlier, women could wear only dresses such as sari, set-mundu, half-sari and skirt and blouse to the Temple. Even if women wore kurtas to the shrine, they had to wear a `mundu' over the pyjamas. However , soon after the Marxist led agitations seeking amendment of "Kshetra Aachaaras' ( Temple customs) , the Marxist Devaswom Board President announced his decision to allow Churidar inside the Temple. Later this matter was taken up in the Board meeting wherein the Thantri sated his objection . But, the Board flatly refused to revoke it's public announcement and ordered the Thantri to shut up.) > In the wake of Guruvayoorappan's objections to the changes in `Kshetra-Acharas ` , the recent change in Dress code was checked on the fifth day of `Devaprasnam' . During the

`Acharyavaranakriya' , when a new cloth was brought , the Board Official instructed to cut it and fetch a small piece out of it . When the cloth was cut , it became ` Gana-vastra' which according to Jyothisha is used for post-death rituals . Based on this `nimitham' ( divine syndrome) , Jyothishis analysed further to find out Bhagavan's will . And the following was revealed :> > Devaswam officials had issued a strict instruction to the Thanthri and all concerned to allow Churidar inside the Temple . > Thanthri was not allowed to raise his objection . Because of this , he could not seek Bhagavan's permission or conduct the Social Prayer necessary for seeking Bhagavan's consent for the change of ` Aachaara `. Therefore , instead of a natural change , Dewaswam's will was imposed on Thantri and Bhagavan . Next day, onwards Women started entering the Temple wearing Churidar which was unacceptable to Bhagavan . This resulted in the violent behavior of

Temple-Elephants , Falling down of ` Thidambu'( Festival Deity) , etc . If this non-obedience is continued, it will be harmful to the Person wearing the Churidar and their families . It could result in premature deaths . Even, it could even harm the human kind as a whole . > Guruvayoorappan wants His Bhaktas to wear simple traditional dress inside the Temple . Dresses like Churidar is `paradesi ` ( foreign) , which is unacceptable to Bhagavan. > > Devaswom Shelters for Old and Orphan Bhakthas > Bhagavan reiterated His desire to accommodate and protect His Old and Orphan Bhakthas in a Shelter which should be constructed by Devaswom . He pointed out that , according to His instructions earlier , daily `Prasada Ooottu `( Feeding of the Bhakthas) was started for 500 Bhakthas . Now it is provided daily for 5000 Bhakthas . Likewise , the Shelter will also be a success . While this was discussed , Bhagavatha Hamsam Malliyoor Shankaran Namboothiri (

Guruvayoorappan's legendary Bhakta) , entered the dais of Devaprasnam . Jyothishis found this as the divine omen of Bhagavan''s presence there and Bhaktavalsala's compassion for His Devotees .> > In near future, the cloth of a person arriving for Darshan will be caught fire in the Temple . Also, in the Temple premises , one's wife will be killed by an Elephant or Cow . > Devaswom Board must consider `Krishnanaattam' (which is very dear to Bhagavan) , as Sacred . In last two years , during Vijayadasami , the 9 days long `Krishnanaattam' is not conducted by Devaswam Board . Devotees are offering it . Devaswam must conduct this with faith . > The "Koothambalam" (Auditorium for Temple Arts) is as important as the Temple . It must be cleaned daily and an Oil lamp to be lit there . > The continuing atonement for removing the previous Temple-Acharyas Puliyannoor Family long back , to be performed properly . It is not carried out

decently now . > The Garland for Sreekovil , to be prepared in the Temple itself . > Those working inside the Temple , must use decent Language . > Efforts must be made to keep the Temple clean . > The Daily Ritual " Olavaayana " ( A Warrier temple-staff writes the Day's Income and Expenses on a Palm Leaf and Reads it out to Bhagavan before the closure of Temple , every night ) , has been stopped . Instead it is issued in writing to Him , as a token gesture . Bhagavan is furious at this Cheating . Right from tonight (03 Nov) , "Olavaayana" must be resumed . > The existing "Achaaraas'( Rituals and Practices of the Temple) can not be debated and amended by any ` Acharya-Sabha' ( Assembly of Vedic Acharyas and Experts) . They are to be adhered to as it is . > The `Guru-parambara' relationship in the Temple, has been lost . > The `Thidambu' ( Festival Moorthy) has fallen down . For that, `prayachitha' atonement was not done

properly . > Bhagavan is unhappy over the financial burden being imposed on His Bhakthas , by Devaswom Board's frequent increases in the material cost of Offerings . > `Prasadam' is being sold in the Shops outside the Temple. > There are defects in the Moorthy of Ganapathy , the Upadeva . Waste materials are stockpiled inside His temple . His displeasure will cause irritation to the Temple Elephants . Renovation of His temple needs to be done . > The Construction works inside the Temple premises , were carried out without Bhagavan's consent . There are defects in those works . In matters of `Vastu' , the opinions of more than one Expert need to be sought . > The relocated positions of Upadevas are not compatible with that of Flag staff . > There are reductions in the Poojas . > The Temple Pond has become impure . Many deaths have occurred therein already . It is not maintained as Sacred . > Another Temple Pond having

the Divine presence, was filled up totally . > The sacred Ashoka tree near the Bhagavathy Temple was cut down . It's atonement needs to be done . > The Coconuts once offered to Bhagavathy are offered to Her again and again to save cost and time . This is unacceptable to Her . > Sastha , the Upadeva is unhappy due to lapses in His rituals . > Although , the Temple Administrators and their Masters will try to block the proposed remedial measures , Bhagavan's grace will help to complete it . > Guruvayoorappan is unhappy over the lapses in the " Kshethra-Acharas" ( Temple-Customs) . As a result, Bomb/Fire/Riots might cause mass deaths inside or just outside the Temple . > `Deva-Chaithanyam' ( aura) is intact on the Deity which is unique . > There will be sharp increase in the inflow of Devotees and Temple revenue . > Guruvayoor Temple should be treated as an important Shrine in the whole Country and any adverse thing

happening to the Temple would have its fallout on the entire Nation . > Bhagavan's money is being misused by the concerned Officials . > Certain Staff are involving in `Adharmic' ( unrighteous) activities inside Temple premises . > Entry on Non-Hindus inside Temple , is unacceptable to Bhagavan . Devotees having firm faith in Deity worship and temple customs are the ones to enter the Temple . > The Thanthri ( Acharya of the temple) , is not allowed by the Devaswom Officials to perform his duties properly . Because of this , Bhagavan is unhappy and the Thantri is very sad . Thanthri's Instructions are being ignored by the Administrators . Therefore, he is not giving anymore instructions . > Temple Officials are misusing the Temple wealth . Both the previous and present Officials are guilty of sinful activities . Some Staff are entering the Temple after consuming Liquor . > There is impurity in the `Nivedaya- items' being offered to

Bhagavan . > Bhagvan's favorite , Milk and Plantain Nivedyam have been stopped . > In the Temple's Gokulam , Bhagavan;'s Cows are not looked after properly . Theft and even killing of Cows have occurred . `Go-Sapa' (Curse of Cows) exists . > Within a few months , one Temple Elephant will die . > Please forward this message to as many Bhakthas as possible . Let everyone pray Sree Guruvayoorappan .> Om Namo Narayanaya !!! Please protect us , O Guruvayoor Bhagavan !!!!> > Krishnadaya . > > > > > > > Unlimited freedom, unlimited storage. Get it now> Get the freedom to save as many mails as you wish. Click

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Dear Sriman Gopalakrishnan; Jai Sri Krishna. We are indeed fortunate to have a member with your maturity of thought within our membership. I agree with you, we must always use and choose our words carefully in public forums of this nature. Some humility and diplomacy always goes a long way in making our point heard in a rational manner instead of open uninhibited censuring of any persons ideas and thoughts. Thanks a lot for your insight and credible efforts at bringing this discussion into a rational and unbiased perspective. Live and let live.... Narasimhan Nagan"K.V Gopalakrishna" <gopalakrishna.kv wrote: Dear all,Radhe Krishna!It is painful to see different opinions and criticisms about the Deva Prasnam. Every Prasnam is full of probabilities and the only way to ascertain whether our actions are right or wrong is to go through a procedure like that with implicit faith in it. Krishnadaya Rajeev has taken immense pains to appraise us of the findings and we should be thankful to him for all the troubles he has taken. Each person has to have his or her opinion about any of thesae activities, but the Devaswom authorities have to maintain a level of discipline in the temple. And there is no other way of finding out, other than the prasnam. I may

have my own opinion about all such activities, but I keep them to myself and not enter into controversies. We visit the temple once in a way and we should stick to the discipline which the authorities have decided upon. There is no point in questioning them, as it is not possible for the temple authorities to ask each person and allow him to do whatever he/she wants it in each individual's way.The Lord is common to all. All our actions are guided by His will, including te Deva-prasnam. Let us therefore, take all these with equanimity. Let us have devotion to the Lord. That is more important. A firm believer in Him can see Him in his/her own mind's eye, and need not even go to the temple to pray, on reaching such maturity of thinking and purity of mind.. Such individuals can visualise the God in him/her and pray to Him, stting at one's own place. But once we enter

the premises of the temple, we should adhere to the rules, and not question them.My request to the group is to refrain from personal criticisms and take things with maturity of thinking.RegardsKVG.GANAPATHY RAMAN wrote: Dear Krishna daya or dasa, I am not a skeptic Hindu as you imagine as you hv no idea abt me even after long association but I am a practical man and not unduly give credence to certain things which I feel not to my liking.This is not to digress your belief or anybody's but only my views.It is ok if you hv a different set of convictions and your clarifications though look nice can't be vouchsafed.Anyway it is always a pleasure to hv argument with you as many things come out of your bag though you can't expect all to accept your views.Whoever not agreeing your views you say are

communists or atheists and such a notion must hv stemmed out of your personal experience.So you must change such notions.I say this as your well wisher.Sometimes your blind faith take you to different mode of thinking which is not palatable.You are my good friend and always I wish the same.As you used to say we shall agree to disagree on things which we differ.Anyway for your happiness I appreciate your clarifications.I don't hv any ill will against you and just expressed my thoughts which you may not like but never dub all people who are not agreeing with your views as communists or anti Hindus.Such mind set up is really pathetic and shows some type of mental aberration.God Bless. agraman.krishnadaya <krishnadaya > wrote: Krishna , Guruvayoorappa . Dear Bhakthas , I do agree that many skeptic Hindus have the same views given below by Sri.Ganapathy Ramanji . Let me clarify as follows : "Devaprasnam " a Sacred Ritual I still remember one event in my Childhood . My Father who was a member of the Temple-Committee just returned after meeting Sree ,Cheppad Kaimal , a Vedic Jyothishi

.. It was to invite him for a "Devaprasnam" to be conducted in the Temple . Father told us that , the Jyothishi had noted various details such as , the exact time of their arrival , what they said first , " nimithams" ( symptoms in place) , etc . We all were seeing `Devaprasnam' the first time and therefore all these were new to us . After conducting necessary rituals to invoke the Deity , `Devaprasnam' started . The revelations of the Deity in the "Devaprasnam" stunned every one . It revealed hitherto unknown information such as immoral activities inside the Temple by the Convener and his Female assistant , Misconducts by the Priest , Routine urination inside the Temple by an old Neighbour , etc, etc . It even found out the exact address of

our original Family-temple about 150 Km away , which no one knew till then . As revealed by the Deity in the `Devaprasnam' , the total structure of the Temple-set up changed soon . Today , it is one of the main Temples of our area and it's present Thanthri is Kantararu Rajeevararu ( Sabarimala-Thanthri ) . After the above events , I got opportunities to involve with some other `Devaprasnams' as well , and what I have learnt from it , convinced me about the reliability of `Devaprasnam ` . We don't have any other system in place to know the will of the Deity . I remember one more event

.. About 20 years back , in Sabarimala , a major Construction was proposed but it was rejected in the "Devaprasnam" . It was revealed that , if proceeded the modification will cause death. ( Cheppad Kaimal was one Jyothishi) . However, then Board and it's Contractor ignored it and proceeded to complete the works . Within next 3 months , the Contractor became bankrupt and committed suicide . Later , the Board President ( a leading Politician) too lost his post and died miserably . Guruvayoor Devaprasnam The

Guruvayoor Devaprasnam is conducted after 17 years . Usually it is conducted after every 12 years, to know the condition of "Äshtabandham" and other status . However , the recommendations of the previous `Devaprasnam' had not been implemented fully and therefore the Board was postponing it . Recently , several accidents happened in Guruvayoor . This include frequent violent behavior of Temple Elephants , Falling down of "Thidambu" (Festival Deity) from Elephant's top , Several Deaths inside the Temple Pond and inside the Temple premises , Quarrels , Thefts, etc, etc . The Guruvayoor Devaswom Board is composed of Government Nominees , Administrator ( Govt. Employee) and Traditional Members like Samoothiri Raja , Thanthri , one representative of Traditional Temple Staff , etc . The Government Nominees are Marxists who have no faith in God

.. They are interested only in looting the Temple funds and undermining it's spirituality . For this , they appointed many of their atheistic Comrades as Temple staff. They are the ones who corrupted the other staff as well . Even Immoral activities and Alcohol-consumption became frequent in the Temple . Eminent Jyothishis Conducted the Guruavayoor Devaprasnam . Irinjalakkuda Padmanabha Sharma was the

lead `Jyothishi ' and he was assisted by Paravoor Sreedharan Thanthri, Ravunni Panicker, Nagilassery Raghavan Nair, Cherode Narayana Panicker, Manappuzha Raman Namboothiri, Soman Panicker, Jayaraj Panicker and Prasanth Menon . They are presently the most reputed Vedic Jyothishis in Kerala . Majority of them are qualified Thanthris as well . 4. The Best Devaprasnam in Recent Times The `Devaprasnam' was started only after performing necessary Vedic rituals like (81) days long Bhagavathy Seva , Ganapathy Homam , Maha-Mrithunjaya Homam , etc . The Deity of Guruvayoorappan was duly invoked by the Thanthri prior to starting the "Devaprasnam". It was predicted on the first day that there would be deaths in the Temple during the "Devaprasnam" . It proved correct , as two deaths and one attempted suicide took place . No commercial aspect is attributed to this "Devaprasnam" . They just revealed Bhagavan's will as it is without any fear or favor . It takes to task every one including the Board , Thantri, Poojaris, Staff , etc , etc . No one was spared . It is a sin to doubt the integrity of these `Sattvic-Karma Yogis' . May Guruvayoorappan shower His choicest blessings on these Acharyas !!!. Bhagavan has revealed that , He doesn't want Churidar and such foreign dresses inside the Temple . He wants no change on the "Kshethra-Acharas" . I fully agree with the revelations . Most Women are not wearing the Churidar in a decent way in side the Temple . The use of Shawl is out of fashion ; and consequently they appear to be exposed . When we see a Woman in traditional dress inside the Temple , she reminds us of Bhagavathy . Let the sacred system continue as it is . A Personal Note : My Bhakthy-Yoga is founded on what I learnt from my Parents , Elders and the Acharyas with whom I have associated . As a `Padasevak' of Bhagavan Krishna , I just act according to His will . Bhagavan Sree Krishna says in Bhagavatam 11.7.23 " Although I, the Supreme Lord can never be captured by ordinary sense perception , those situated in human life may use their intelligence and other faculties of perception to directly search for Me through both apparent and indirectly ascertained symptoms " . Om Namo narayanaya !!! --------guruvayur , GANAPATHY RAMAN <agraman62 wrote:>> I thought Krishnadaya is a person with good knowledge.However after accepting what some astrologers said and accepting the same as said in Vedas he has gone away from tangent and exhibited his ignorance abt the wishes of Sri > Guruvayurappan.Really pathetic to succumb to such obnoxious findings of the astrologers in the form of Devaprasnam and one who does not accept the same to be treated as atheist or marxist.I feel sorry for a knowledgeable person

like > Krishnadaya.How on earth he finds that the same are the wishes of Sri > Guruvayurappan.Many factors like cleanliness,renovation,reshaping of the existing things can be known to all and the Board has to do it with its enormous funds and there is no necessity to invoke Lord for making the temple a really spiritual abode.For that purpose there is no necessity for Devaprasnam for a number of days and debates spending enormous amount and with that all the things could hv been rectified.It is really pitiable that Krishnadaya has become a victim for such things and dubbing people who say anything against ascommunists.I think he is living in the vedic age.Sorry for for my harsh comments but be practical Krishnadaya.In what way it affects you whether a lady wears churidar instead of saree etc .I hpe you are not running any textile shop near the temple.Bhagawan has never said anything.Why you find fault with that?For your info I

don't hv any churidar or other shop.Really sorry abt your anxiety which is nothing but a matter for pity.This is not to> remove your faith which is not my intention but just to keep you informed about the changing times and the necessity for that as change is the order of the day and devotees > from many States can't be expected to wear sarees etc.and Guruvayurappan is not confined Deity only to those of Kerala.All temples everywhere change the customs according to times and Adi Sankara too never said that only those things shuld be followed.It is all the things stemmed out of the peoles's mind who hv got their own interest uppermost.Regarding other things you hv noted I don't hv the patience to read and so not making any comments.But don't drag the intrepretations of astrologers whatever be their qualifications as the wish of Guruvayurappan as they themselves won't be sure except by intrepreting some planetary positions which hv got nothing to to do with the

Cosmic Power that is > Sri Guruvayurappan.Anyway I appreciate your interest on the subject which is not worthwhile to spend time.> > > krishnadaya krishnadaya wrote:> Krishna, Guruvayoorappa ! , Dear Bhakthas , > The Eight day long Guruvayoor "Ashtmangala Devaprasnam" was successfully completed yesterday ( 07 Nov. ) . > What was performed yesterday was verifying Guruvayoorappan's will on the proposed remedial measures . As solution to each of the discovered shortcomings , an offering was proposed with a prayer to the concerned Devatha , and verified His/Her acceptance or rejection, through the analysis of "Rasi" .> 1. At first , praying Guruvayoorappan , it was proposed to submit at His Sopanam, "Bhadradeepam" in Silver pot with "Suvarnakshatha" inside it , Palpayasam worth Rs.1001, "Thrikkaivenna" , "Thrumudimala" , Milk, and Sugar . These will be submitted by the Temple's Ooralan , Othikkanmar ,

Keezh-Shaanthis, and Other traditional Staff . And after submitting it they all will admit their mistakes to Bhagavan , apologize to Him , and prostrate at His feet , seeking Bhagavan's forgiveness . In the "Rasi" , "Vyazham" ( Guru) was found in the 9th house . This auspicious revelation confirmed that , Guruvayoorappan is satisfied with the proposed Offerings and Remedial Measures . > 2. In the Mammiyoor Temple , "Rudradhara" & "Pinvilakku" to Siva, "Palpayasam" to Vishnu , and relevant offerings to the other Devathas in Mammiyoor and to the Deities in associated Temples , other nearby Temples, Kannur Idakkad Temple, and Irinjalakkuda Koodal Manikyam Temple , were proposed . It was found to be acceptable to Them . > Remedial Measures > The following Remedial measures were proposed and found to be acceptable to Bhagavan and the Upadevathas : > 1. The Defective Golden Flag Pole shall be replaces with a New one , within next (13) months .

> 2. In the Devawom Guest house compound , a "Valkannadi " ( Mirror Image) to be consecrated on the "Karimkali Thara"( Platform for Karimkali Deity) . And yearly Pooja to be offered there after laying Padmam ( lotus) . > 3. On the Ekadasi day , the procession to the East should halt at it's previous end point " Theeyyar Ambalam" , offer salutations there before proceeding to the Parthasarathy Temple for "Irakkiyezhunnallathu" .> 4. To eliminate the "Sarpa-Dosham" ( ill-effects caused by Serpents) , a golden Sepent-image , and "Puttum" shall be submitted at "Pambumekkavu Mana " ( Temple-Abode of Serpents) . > 5. Symbolic Offering of Elephant to be performed . > 6. To eliminate the ill- effects for the misdeeds of all those associated with the Temple , Devaswom board should conduct every year, "Maha-Sudarshana Homam" ( 96,000 chants) , "Thila-havanam" (1,00,000 chants) , "Sukrutha-Homam" and 12 days long "Ganapthy-Homams" . Also ,

"Kalkachikichuttu" ( with 108 "Ashtothara shatanamam") and "Vilichucholli-prayachittham" will be carried out . As a remedy for various types of Curses , "Murahomam" will be performed every year . Also "Maha-Mrithunjaya Homam" and "Bhagavathy Seva" shall be performed every year . > 7. Every year , a "Sukrutha-Homam" shall be performed with 24, 000 chants of Gayathri-Manthra , to increase the "Sukrutha" of Temple . > 8. Thanthri , himself shall decide and perform his "Prayachittham" ( atonement) to Bhagavan .> 9. Any money offered on the "Thrippadi" ( step to Sreekovil) , belongs to Bhagavan . > 10. As an atonement of Go-sapa ( Curse of Cows) it was first proposed to offer a Cow to Bhagavathy . But , it was not found sufficient . So , a golden image of Cow will be offered to Bhagavathy . > Note : > > It was re-confirmed that , Bhagavan does not accept any amendment to the existing "Kshetra-Acharas" . > Before , the

conclusion of Devaprasnam two Members of the Devaswom Managing Committee raised objections . Mr. M.M.Vasudevan alleged that , some of the findings and remedial measures revealed in the Devaprasnam will pull us to 200 years back just for the sake of Acharas . Prof. T.R. Harry stated that , the Girl-students in his college had asked him whether Churidar could be permitted in side the Temple . > The Lead Jyothishi , Padmanabha Sharma calmly pointed out that , the Dress Codes of Educational institutions are not suitable for Temple . While coming to the Temple for Darshan , all Bhakthas should follow the Dress Code that is prescribed for the Temple . He reiterated that , Guruvayoorappan rejects all sorts of changes to the time-proven "Kshetra-Acharas" . Also , he invited all skeptics to come to the dais to have a debate on the basis of Vedic Injunctions . > The above said , two Members ( who are Marxist Nominees in the Director Board) started yelling "Times have

progressed . Churidar must be allowed inside the Temple " . > This infuriated the Bhakthas present there . They declared in one voice " What matters is Guruvayoorappan's will alone . And not the wishes of Others . We do not need Bhagavan-Haters in Guruvayoor Temple , anymore " . > As the situation became vociferous , and the mentioned Atheists were looking for an escape route , Padmanabha Sharma , the Lead Jyothishi pacified the Bhakthas , assuring them that Guruvayoorappan's will shall prevail . > Findings ( 31 Oct. -- 06 Nov. ) . > Summary > > Bhagavan is upset over the violation of "Kshethra Acharas" , Desecration of Temple , Immoral activities inside the Temple , etc by God-haters . Possible, Bomb/Fire/Riot might cause mass killing in or outside the Temple . > Thanthri is Bhagavan's Representative . What he says is to be accepted by everyone . > Golden Flag Pole is defective . Temple- Elephants may pull

it down . > No entry to Non-Hindus . Only those having full faith in Deity worship and Kshethra-Acharas , shall enter the Temple. > No change in the Temple's Dress Code . Churidar is unacceptable . It has already caused violence by Elephants . It's continuation will cause death and destruction to all responsible for it . > Upadeva Ganesha's Moorthy and Temple are defective . Renovation , required for His Temple . > Bhgagavan's Cows were stolen and killed . Serious Go-Shapa will cause calamities . > Guruvayoor Temple should be treated as an important Shrine in the whole Country and any adverse thing happening to the Temple would have its fallout on the entire Nation .> Deratiled Findings > 1. Bhagavan stressed the need to rectify certain structural defects found in the golden Flag Pole of the Temple . It's foundation is damaged due to the attack of insects . Flag Pole is the abode of Bhagavan's vehicle Garuda . It has been

dislocated and tilted . If one measures from it's footing to "veeraknadam" (upper portion) , the dislocation can be found out . if the defective Flag Pole is not replaced with a new one , the present Flag Pole will be pulled down by Temple Elephants .> 2. Bhagavan wants the Temple to set up Facilities for the study of Sanskrit and Vedas . The Vedas are very important to Guruvayoor Temple . Necessary Facilities should be provided for higher education of Sanskrit . > 3. Ordinary Bhaktas should not face any hurdle in worshipping Bhagavan due to restrictions made in the name of VIP visits . At present , such difficulties exist and certain Temple staff are behaving rudely with the Bhkthas . This is absolutely unacceptable . Bhagavan is always pleased by the Bhakthy of Common man . > 4. Bhagavan does not want , more than one `Udayasthamana Pooja' in a day . > 5. The Building in side the Temple premises can be taller than the Temple . But it's floor

level should be lower than that of Temple . On such floor , any number of storeys can be constructed . This has no relation with the height of Flag Pole . Considering the roads around the Temple as boundary limits, this condition should be adhered to . > 6. Materials once used for "Thulabharam" can be used again . However, the decayed materials should not be used . > 7. The water from the "Manikkinar" ( Temple's well ) , can be used for Thulabharam . > 8. The future of Bhagavan's presence in Guruvayoor Temple is bright . The present unpleasant issues can be resolved by "Prayrachitham" (Atonement rituals) . These remedial measures must be completed within one year . > ( Note - : Some Devotees brought to the Jyothishis' attention , criticisms in the media against the Jyothishis . But the Jyothishis preferred not to discuss it with Bhagavan . They stated " This Devaprasnam is being conducted strictly according to the Scriptural Injunctions and

associated Vedic Shaastras . We are ready to answer any doubts on this . In stead of that , if some one wants to arrest us , we are helpless . ) > > The "Suvarna-Dwajam" ( Golden Flag Pole ) is not vertical and it is in damaged condition . It's present position too is not correct . This may cause Serious Dangers . > Thanthri ( Temple-Acharya ) is not issuing necessary instructions on time. He feels that, what he says will upset the concerned Authorities ; especially since , what he told in the past were ignored totally . Bhagavan is furious over this situation . > Some Devotees pointed out that , Udayastamana Pooja is performed for a single person only ; And therefore is it necessary to close and open the Sreekovil-Door for it ? . > Bhagavan replied that , Poojas are not for one Person only . More Udayasthamana Poojas and Thanthric rites are for increasing the `Deva çhaithanyam' (aura) . > The "Pillaru-Thalappoly " ( Ritualistic

Offerings on a plate , by children) , being conducted by the local group , is very satisfying to Bhagavathy ( Upadevi , Durga) . > The Turmeric powder being offered to Bhagavathy , has less purity . > Bhagavathy does not need "Kunkuma-archana" . > In the Devawom guest house , a "Karimkaalithara" ( platform for `Karimkaali –Deity ' ) is to be provided . > A particular person from the " Othikkan " (Traditional Poojari) family, is continuously showing disrespect to the position of Thanthri . Bhagavan is upset over this . If this is not stopped immediately , there will be dire consequences . > In the previous Devawom Cow-Shelter "Kaaveedu" , some Cows were killed . In order to avoid it's ill-effects in the new Cow-Shelter , "Kalasa Pooja" and other atonements to be performed for Bhagavathy . > Some "KeezhShaantis" ( Assistant Poojaris) are not maintaining the necessary personal purity, required for Poojas . This is repeated many times

.. This will cause calamities in the "Thidappally" ( Platform in front of Sanctum Sanctorum) itself . > Some Temple Staff are not performing their duties properly and are shifting it's blame to others . They are going for other assignments that fetches better income . Also , there is serious infighting among the Staff . > Quoting verses from the "Kapilopadesa in Bhagavatham" , Justice Radhakrishna Menon raised doubts about the previous days revelations on rejection of Churidar . The Jyothishis re-confirmed with evidence that, Bhagavan does not like any amendment to the time-proven "Kshetra-Aachaaras" , in such unauthorized ways . > Change in Dress Code> ( History : On 27th July, Guruvayur Devaswom had relaxed the traditional Temple Dress code to allow Women Devotees to wear Churidar inside the Temple . Earlier, women could wear only dresses such as sari, set-mundu, half-sari and skirt and blouse to the Temple. Even if women wore kurtas to the

shrine, they had to wear a `mundu' over the pyjamas. However , soon after the Marxist led agitations seeking amendment of "Kshetra Aachaaras' ( Temple customs) , the Marxist Devaswom Board President announced his decision to allow Churidar inside the Temple. Later this matter was taken up in the Board meeting wherein the Thantri sated his objection . But, the Board flatly refused to revoke it's public announcement and ordered the Thantri to shut up.) > In the wake of Guruvayoorappan's objections to the changes in `Kshetra-Acharas ` , the recent change in Dress code was checked on the fifth day of `Devaprasnam' . During the `Acharyavaranakriya' , when a new cloth was brought , the Board Official instructed to cut it and fetch a small piece out of it . When the cloth was cut , it became ` Gana-vastra' which according to Jyothisha is used for post-death rituals . Based on this `nimitham' ( divine syndrome) , Jyothishis analysed further to find out Bhagavan's

will . And the following was revealed :> > Devaswam officials had issued a strict instruction to the Thanthri and all concerned to allow Churidar inside the Temple . > Thanthri was not allowed to raise his objection . Because of this , he could not seek Bhagavan's permission or conduct the Social Prayer necessary for seeking Bhagavan's consent for the change of ` Aachaara `. Therefore , instead of a natural change , Dewaswam's will was imposed on Thantri and Bhagavan . Next day, onwards Women started entering the Temple wearing Churidar which was unacceptable to Bhagavan . This resulted in the violent behavior of Temple-Elephants , Falling down of ` Thidambu'( Festival Deity) , etc . If this non-obedience is continued, it will be harmful to the Person wearing the Churidar and their families . It could result in premature deaths . Even, it could even harm the human kind as a whole . > Guruvayoorappan wants His Bhaktas to wear simple traditional

dress inside the Temple . Dresses like Churidar is `paradesi ` ( foreign) , which is unacceptable to Bhagavan. > > Devaswom Shelters for Old and Orphan Bhakthas > Bhagavan reiterated His desire to accommodate and protect His Old and Orphan Bhakthas in a Shelter which should be constructed by Devaswom . He pointed out that , according to His instructions earlier , daily `Prasada Ooottu `( Feeding of the Bhakthas) was started for 500 Bhakthas . Now it is provided daily for 5000 Bhakthas . Likewise , the Shelter will also be a success . While this was discussed , Bhagavatha Hamsam Malliyoor Shankaran Namboothiri ( Guruvayoorappan's legendary Bhakta) , entered the dais of Devaprasnam . Jyothishis found this as the divine omen of Bhagavan''s presence there and Bhaktavalsala's compassion for His Devotees .> > In near future, the cloth of a person arriving for Darshan will be caught fire in the Temple . Also, in the Temple premises ,

one's wife will be killed by an Elephant or Cow . > Devaswom Board must consider `Krishnanaattam' (which is very dear to Bhagavan) , as Sacred . In last two years , during Vijayadasami , the 9 days long `Krishnanaattam' is not conducted by Devaswam Board . Devotees are offering it . Devaswam must conduct this with faith . > The "Koothambalam" (Auditorium for Temple Arts) is as important as the Temple . It must be cleaned daily and an Oil lamp to be lit there . > The continuing atonement for removing the previous Temple-Acharyas Puliyannoor Family long back , to be performed properly . It is not carried out decently now . > The Garland for Sreekovil , to be prepared in the Temple itself . > Those working inside the Temple , must use decent Language . > Efforts must be made to keep the Temple clean . > The Daily Ritual " Olavaayana " ( A Warrier temple-staff writes the Day's Income and Expenses on a Palm Leaf and Reads it out

to Bhagavan before the closure of Temple , every night ) , has been stopped . Instead it is issued in writing to Him , as a token gesture . Bhagavan is furious at this Cheating . Right from tonight (03 Nov) , "Olavaayana" must be resumed . > The existing "Achaaraas'( Rituals and Practices of the Temple) can not be debated and amended by any ` Acharya-Sabha' ( Assembly of Vedic Acharyas and Experts) . They are to be adhered to as it is . > The `Guru-parambara' relationship in the Temple, has been lost . > The `Thidambu' ( Festival Moorthy) has fallen down . For that, `prayachitha' atonement was not done properly . > Bhagavan is unhappy over the financial burden being imposed on His Bhakthas , by Devaswom Board's frequent increases in the material cost of Offerings . > `Prasadam' is being sold in the Shops outside the Temple. > There are defects in the Moorthy of Ganapathy , the Upadeva . Waste materials are stockpiled inside His

temple . His displeasure will cause irritation to the Temple Elephants . Renovation of His temple needs to be done . > The Construction works inside the Temple premises , were carried out without Bhagavan's consent . There are defects in those works . In matters of `Vastu' , the opinions of more than one Expert need to be sought . > The relocated positions of Upadevas are not compatible with that of Flag staff . > There are reductions in the Poojas . > The Temple Pond has become impure . Many deaths have occurred therein already . It is not maintained as Sacred . > Another Temple Pond having the Divine presence, was filled up totally . > The sacred Ashoka tree near the Bhagavathy Temple was cut down . It's atonement needs to be done . > The Coconuts once offered to Bhagavathy are offered to Her again and again to save cost and time . This is unacceptable to Her . > Sastha , the Upadeva is unhappy due to lapses in His

rituals . > Although , the Temple Administrators and their Masters will try to block the proposed remedial measures , Bhagavan's grace will help to complete it . > Guruvayoorappan is unhappy over the lapses in the " Kshethra-Acharas" ( Temple-Customs) . As a result, Bomb/Fire/Riots might cause mass deaths inside or just outside the Temple . > `Deva-Chaithanyam' ( aura) is intact on the Deity which is unique . > There will be sharp increase in the inflow of Devotees and Temple revenue . > Guruvayoor Temple should be treated as an important Shrine in the whole Country and any adverse thing happening to the Temple would have its fallout on the entire Nation . > Bhagavan's money is being misused by the concerned Officials . > Certain Staff are involving in `Adharmic' ( unrighteous) activities inside Temple premises . > Entry on Non-Hindus inside Temple , is unacceptable to Bhagavan . Devotees having firm faith in Deity

worship and temple customs are the ones to enter the Temple . > The Thanthri ( Acharya of the temple) , is not allowed by the Devaswom Officials to perform his duties properly . Because of this , Bhagavan is unhappy and the Thantri is very sad . Thanthri's Instructions are being ignored by the Administrators . Therefore, he is not giving anymore instructions . > Temple Officials are misusing the Temple wealth . Both the previous and present Officials are guilty of sinful activities . Some Staff are entering the Temple after consuming Liquor . > There is impurity in the `Nivedaya- items' being offered to Bhagavan . > Bhagvan's favorite , Milk and Plantain Nivedyam have been stopped . > In the Temple's Gokulam , Bhagavan;'s Cows are not looked after properly . Theft and even killing of Cows have occurred . `Go-Sapa' (Curse of Cows) exists . > Within a few months , one Temple Elephant will die . > Please forward this message to

as many Bhakthas as possible . Let everyone pray Sree Guruvayoorappan .> Om Namo Narayanaya !!! Please protect us , O Guruvayoor Bhagavan !!!!> > Krishnadaya . > > > > > > > Unlimited freedom, unlimited storage. Get it now> Get the freedom to save as many mails as you wish. Click here to know how.

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Jai Sreekrishna Respected Shi Goplakrishnanji Thank you very much for this timely message of yours which I am sure are the words of our beloved KANNAN. All the members of this great group are HIS children and HE must be feeling sorry to see us engaged in allegations for no reason at all. So HE has expressed his unhappiness over the same thorugh this message of Shri Gopalakrishnanji. So let us put a full stop on this. To say the truth I was jsut asking myself why our senior members are not coming forward to conclude this matter. However, I also like to mention here that I would not have been able to know anything about this Devaparshnam if Shri Krishnadayaji has not updated on the same and I express my thanks to him. Being a bhakta of KANNAN, I

believe I must be aware of all these developments. One thing I am dead sure. NO ONE CAN IMPLEMENT ANY CHANGES IN THE LONG STANDING ACHARAMS OF OUR BHOOLOKA VAIKUNTAM . SUCH IS THE MAHATMYAM OF THE IDOL AND THE TEMPLE. HIS MIRACLES ARE BEYOND ANYBOY'S INTERPRETATION What we can do is pray to KANNAN with utmost shradhha, bhakti and folded hands to safeguard the interest of all HIS humble bhaktas ENTE PONNU KANNA AVIDUTHHE PADARAVINDANGALIL KODI KODI PRANAMAM LOKA SAMASTHA SUKHINO BHAVANTHU Humbly Syamala m> wrote: Dear all,Radhe Krishna!It is painful to see different opinions and criticisms about the Deva Prasnam. Every Prasnam is full of probabilities and the only way to ascertain whether our actions are right or wrong is to go through a procedure like that with implicit faith in it. Krishnadaya Rajeev has taken immense pains to appraise us of the findings and we should be thankful to him for all the troubles he has taken. Each person has to have his or her opinion about any of thesae activities, but the Devaswom authorities have to maintain a level of discipline in the

temple. And there is no other way of finding out, other than the prasnam. I may have my own opinion about all such activities, but I keep them to myself and not enter into controversies. We visit the temple once in a way and we should stick to the discipline which the authorities have decided upon. There is no point in questioning them, as it is not possible for the temple authorities to ask each person and allow him to do whatever he/she wants it in each individual's way.The Lord is common to all. All our actions are guided by His will, including te Deva-prasnam. Let us therefore, take all these with equanimity. Let us have devotion to the Lord. That is more important. A firm believer in Him can see Him in his/her own mind's eye, and need not even go to the temple to pray, on reaching such maturity of thinking and purity of mind.. Such individuals can

visualise the God in him/her and pray to Him, stting at one's own place. But once we enter the premises of the temple, we should adhere to the rules, and not question them.My request to the group is to refrain from personal criticisms and take things with maturity of thinking.RegardsKVG.GANAPATHY RAMAN wrote: Dear Krishna daya or dasa, I am not a skeptic Hindu as you imagine as you hv no idea abt me even after long association but I am a practical man and not unduly give credence to certain things which I feel not to my liking.This is not to digress your belief or anybody's but only my views.It is ok if you hv a different set of convictions and your clarifications though look nice can't be vouchsafed.Anyway it is always a pleasure to hv argument with you as many things come out

of your bag though you can't expect all to accept your views.Whoever not agreeing your views you say are communists or atheists and such a notion must hv stemmed out of your personal experience.So you must change such notions.I say this as your well wisher.Sometimes your blind faith take you to different mode of thinking which is not palatable.You are my good friend and always I wish the same.As you used to say we shall agree to disagree on things which we differ.Anyway for your happiness I appreciate your clarifications.I don't hv any ill will against you and just expressed my thoughts which you may not like but never dub all people who are not agreeing with your views as communists or anti Hindus.Such mind set up is really pathetic and shows some type of mental aberration.God Bless. agraman.krishnadaya <krishnadaya > wrote: Krishna , Guruvayoorappa . Dear Bhakthas , I do agree that many skeptic Hindus have the same views given below by Sri.Ganapathy Ramanji . Let me clarify as follows : "Devaprasnam " a Sacred Ritual I still remember one event in my Childhood . My Father who was a member of the

Temple-Committee just returned after meeting Sree ,Cheppad Kaimal , a Vedic Jyothishi . It was to invite him for a "Devaprasnam" to be conducted in the Temple . Father told us that , the Jyothishi had noted various details such as , the exact time of their arrival , what they said first , " nimithams" ( symptoms in place) , etc . We all were seeing `Devaprasnam' the first time and therefore all these were new to us . After conducting necessary rituals to invoke the Deity , `Devaprasnam' started . The revelations of the Deity in the "Devaprasnam" stunned every one . It revealed hitherto unknown information such as immoral activities inside the Temple by the Convener and his Female assistant , Misconducts by the Priest , Routine urination inside the

Temple by an old Neighbour , etc, etc . It even found out the exact address of our original Family-temple about 150 Km away , which no one knew till then . As revealed by the Deity in the `Devaprasnam' , the total structure of the Temple-set up changed soon . Today , it is one of the main Temples of our area and it's present Thanthri is Kantararu Rajeevararu ( Sabarimala-Thanthri ) . After the above events , I got opportunities to involve with some other `Devaprasnams' as well , and what I have learnt from it , convinced me about the reliability of `Devaprasnam ` . We don't have any other system in place to know the will of the Deity .

I remember one more event . About 20 years back , in Sabarimala , a major Construction was proposed but it was rejected in the "Devaprasnam" . It was revealed that , if proceeded the modification will cause death. ( Cheppad Kaimal was one Jyothishi) . However, then Board and it's Contractor ignored it and proceeded to complete the works . Within next 3 months , the Contractor became bankrupt and committed suicide . Later , the Board President ( a leading Politician) too lost his post and died miserably . Guruvayoor Devaprasnam The Guruvayoor Devaprasnam is conducted after 17 years . Usually it is conducted after every 12 years, to know the condition of "Äshtabandham" and other status . However , the recommendations of the previous `Devaprasnam' had not been implemented fully and therefore the Board was postponing it . Recently , several accidents happened in Guruvayoor . This include frequent violent behavior of Temple Elephants , Falling down of "Thidambu" (Festival Deity) from Elephant's top , Several Deaths inside the Temple Pond and inside the Temple premises , Quarrels , Thefts, etc, etc . The Guruvayoor Devaswom Board is composed of Government Nominees , Administrator ( Govt. Employee) and Traditional Members like Samoothiri Raja , Thanthri , one representative of

Traditional Temple Staff , etc . The Government Nominees are Marxists who have no faith in God . They are interested only in looting the Temple funds and undermining it's spirituality . For this , they appointed many of their atheistic Comrades as Temple staff. They are the ones who corrupted the other staff as well . Even Immoral activities and Alcohol-consumption became frequent in the Temple . Eminent Jyothishis Conducted the Guruavayoor Devaprasnam . Irinjalakkuda Padmanabha Sharma was the lead `Jyothishi ' and he was assisted by Paravoor Sreedharan Thanthri, Ravunni Panicker, Nagilassery Raghavan Nair, Cherode Narayana Panicker, Manappuzha Raman Namboothiri, Soman Panicker, Jayaraj Panicker and Prasanth Menon . They are presently the most reputed Vedic Jyothishis in Kerala . Majority of them are qualified Thanthris as well . 4. The Best Devaprasnam in Recent Times The `Devaprasnam' was started only after performing necessary Vedic rituals like (81) days long Bhagavathy Seva , Ganapathy Homam , Maha-Mrithunjaya Homam , etc . The Deity of Guruvayoorappan was duly invoked by the Thanthri

prior to starting the "Devaprasnam". It was predicted on the first day that there would be deaths in the Temple during the "Devaprasnam" . It proved correct , as two deaths and one attempted suicide took place . No commercial aspect is attributed to this "Devaprasnam" . They just revealed Bhagavan's will as it is without any fear or favor . It takes to task every one including the Board , Thantri, Poojaris, Staff , etc , etc . No one was spared . It is a sin to doubt the integrity of these `Sattvic-Karma Yogis' .

May Guruvayoorappan shower His choicest blessings on these Acharyas !!!. Bhagavan has revealed that , He doesn't want Churidar and such foreign dresses inside the Temple . He wants no change on the "Kshethra-Acharas" . I fully agree with the revelations . Most Women are not wearing the Churidar in a decent way in side the Temple . The use of Shawl is out of fashion ; and consequently they appear to be exposed . When we see a Woman in traditional dress inside the Temple , she reminds us of Bhagavathy . Let the sacred

system continue as it is . A Personal Note : My Bhakthy-Yoga is founded on what I learnt from my Parents , Elders and the Acharyas with whom I have associated . As a `Padasevak' of Bhagavan Krishna , I just act according to His will . Bhagavan Sree Krishna says in Bhagavatam 11.7.23 " Although I, the Supreme Lord can never be captured by ordinary sense perception , those situated in human life may use their intelligence and other faculties of perception to directly search for Me through both apparent and indirectly ascertained symptoms " . Om Namo narayanaya !!! --------guruvayur , GANAPATHY RAMAN <agraman62 wrote:>> I thought Krishnadaya is a person with good knowledge.However after accepting what some astrologers said and accepting the same as said in Vedas he has gone away from tangent and exhibited his ignorance abt the wishes of Sri > Guruvayurappan.Really pathetic to succumb to such obnoxious findings of the astrologers in the form of Devaprasnam

and one who does not accept the same to be treated as atheist or marxist.I feel sorry for a knowledgeable person like > Krishnadaya.How on earth he finds that the same are the wishes of Sri > Guruvayurappan.Many factors like cleanliness,renovation,reshaping of the existing things can be known to all and the Board has to do it with its enormous funds and there is no necessity to invoke Lord for making the temple a really spiritual abode.For that purpose there is no necessity for Devaprasnam for a number of days and debates spending enormous amount and with that all the things could hv been rectified.It is really pitiable that Krishnadaya has become a victim for such things and dubbing people who say anything against ascommunists.I think he is living in the vedic age.Sorry for for my harsh comments but be practical Krishnadaya.In what way it affects you whether a lady wears churidar instead of saree etc .I hpe you are not running

any textile shop near the temple.Bhagawan has never said anything.Why you find fault with that?For your info I don't hv any churidar or other shop.Really sorry abt your anxiety which is nothing but a matter for pity.This is not to> remove your faith which is not my intention but just to keep you informed about the changing times and the necessity for that as change is the order of the day and devotees > from many States can't be expected to wear sarees etc.and Guruvayurappan is not confined Deity only to those of Kerala.All temples everywhere change the customs according to times and Adi Sankara too never said that only those things shuld be followed.It is all the things stemmed out of the peoles's mind who hv got their own interest uppermost.Regarding other things you hv noted I don't hv the patience to read and so not making any comments.But don't drag the intrepretations of astrologers whatever be their qualifications as the wish of Guruvayurappan as they

themselves won't be sure except by intrepreting some planetary positions which hv got nothing to to do with the Cosmic Power that is > Sri Guruvayurappan.Anyway I appreciate your interest on the subject which is not worthwhile to spend time.> > > krishnadaya krishnadaya wrote:> Krishna, Guruvayoorappa ! , Dear Bhakthas , > The Eight day long Guruvayoor "Ashtmangala Devaprasnam" was successfully completed yesterday ( 07 Nov. ) . > What was performed yesterday was verifying Guruvayoorappan's will on the proposed remedial measures . As solution to each of the discovered shortcomings , an offering was proposed with a prayer to the concerned Devatha , and verified His/Her acceptance or rejection, through the analysis of "Rasi" .> 1. At first , praying Guruvayoorappan , it was proposed to submit at His Sopanam, "Bhadradeepam" in Silver pot with "Suvarnakshatha" inside it , Palpayasam worth Rs.1001,

"Thrikkaivenna" , "Thrumudimala" , Milk, and Sugar . These will be submitted by the Temple's Ooralan , Othikkanmar , Keezh-Shaanthis, and Other traditional Staff . And after submitting it they all will admit their mistakes to Bhagavan , apologize to Him , and prostrate at His feet , seeking Bhagavan's forgiveness . In the "Rasi" , "Vyazham" ( Guru) was found in the 9th house . This auspicious revelation confirmed that , Guruvayoorappan is satisfied with the proposed Offerings and Remedial Measures . > 2. In the Mammiyoor Temple , "Rudradhara" & "Pinvilakku" to Siva, "Palpayasam" to Vishnu , and relevant offerings to the other Devathas in Mammiyoor and to the Deities in associated Temples , other nearby Temples, Kannur Idakkad Temple, and Irinjalakkuda Koodal Manikyam Temple , were proposed . It was found to be acceptable to Them . > Remedial Measures > The following Remedial measures were proposed and found to be acceptable to Bhagavan and the

Upadevathas : > 1. The Defective Golden Flag Pole shall be replaces with a New one , within next (13) months . > 2. In the Devawom Guest house compound , a "Valkannadi " ( Mirror Image) to be consecrated on the "Karimkali Thara"( Platform for Karimkali Deity) . And yearly Pooja to be offered there after laying Padmam ( lotus) . > 3. On the Ekadasi day , the procession to the East should halt at it's previous end point " Theeyyar Ambalam" , offer salutations there before proceeding to the Parthasarathy Temple for "Irakkiyezhunnallathu" .> 4. To eliminate the "Sarpa-Dosham" ( ill-effects caused by Serpents) , a golden Sepent-image , and "Puttum" shall be submitted at "Pambumekkavu Mana " ( Temple-Abode of Serpents) . > 5. Symbolic Offering of Elephant to be performed . > 6. To eliminate the ill- effects for the misdeeds of all those associated with the Temple , Devaswom board should conduct every year, "Maha-Sudarshana Homam" (

96,000 chants) , "Thila-havanam" (1,00,000 chants) , "Sukrutha-Homam" and 12 days long "Ganapthy-Homams" . Also , "Kalkachikichuttu" ( with 108 "Ashtothara shatanamam") and "Vilichucholli-prayachittham" will be carried out . As a remedy for various types of Curses , "Murahomam" will be performed every year . Also "Maha-Mrithunjaya Homam" and "Bhagavathy Seva" shall be performed every year . > 7. Every year , a "Sukrutha-Homam" shall be performed with 24, 000 chants of Gayathri-Manthra , to increase the "Sukrutha" of Temple . > 8. Thanthri , himself shall decide and perform his "Prayachittham" ( atonement) to Bhagavan .> 9. Any money offered on the "Thrippadi" ( step to Sreekovil) , belongs to Bhagavan . > 10. As an atonement of Go-sapa ( Curse of Cows) it was first proposed to offer a Cow to Bhagavathy . But , it was not found sufficient . So , a golden image of Cow will be offered to Bhagavathy . > Note : > > It was

re-confirmed that , Bhagavan does not accept any amendment to the existing "Kshetra-Acharas" . > Before , the conclusion of Devaprasnam two Members of the Devaswom Managing Committee raised objections . Mr. M.M.Vasudevan alleged that , some of the findings and remedial measures revealed in the Devaprasnam will pull us to 200 years back just for the sake of Acharas . Prof. T.R. Harry stated that , the Girl-students in his college had asked him whether Churidar could be permitted in side the Temple . > The Lead Jyothishi , Padmanabha Sharma calmly pointed out that , the Dress Codes of Educational institutions are not suitable for Temple . While coming to the Temple for Darshan , all Bhakthas should follow the Dress Code that is prescribed for the Temple . He reiterated that , Guruvayoorappan rejects all sorts of changes to the time-proven "Kshetra-Acharas" . Also , he invited all skeptics to come to the dais to have a debate on the basis of Vedic Injunctions .

> The above said , two Members ( who are Marxist Nominees in the Director Board) started yelling "Times have progressed . Churidar must be allowed inside the Temple " . > This infuriated the Bhakthas present there . They declared in one voice " What matters is Guruvayoorappan's will alone . And not the wishes of Others . We do not need Bhagavan-Haters in Guruvayoor Temple , anymore " . > As the situation became vociferous , and the mentioned Atheists were looking for an escape route , Padmanabha Sharma , the Lead Jyothishi pacified the Bhakthas , assuring them that Guruvayoorappan's will shall prevail . > Findings ( 31 Oct. -- 06 Nov. ) . > Summary > > Bhagavan is upset over the violation of "Kshethra Acharas" , Desecration of Temple , Immoral activities inside the Temple , etc by God-haters . Possible, Bomb/Fire/Riot might cause mass killing in or outside the Temple . > Thanthri is Bhagavan's Representative

.. What he says is to be accepted by everyone . > Golden Flag Pole is defective . Temple- Elephants may pull it down . > No entry to Non-Hindus . Only those having full faith in Deity worship and Kshethra-Acharas , shall enter the Temple. > No change in the Temple's Dress Code . Churidar is unacceptable . It has already caused violence by Elephants . It's continuation will cause death and destruction to all responsible for it . > Upadeva Ganesha's Moorthy and Temple are defective . Renovation , required for His Temple . > Bhgagavan's Cows were stolen and killed . Serious Go-Shapa will cause calamities . > Guruvayoor Temple should be treated as an important Shrine in the whole Country and any adverse thing happening to the Temple would have its fallout on the entire Nation .> Deratiled Findings > 1. Bhagavan stressed the need to rectify certain structural defects found in the golden Flag Pole of the Temple . It's

foundation is damaged due to the attack of insects . Flag Pole is the abode of Bhagavan's vehicle Garuda . It has been dislocated and tilted . If one measures from it's footing to "veeraknadam" (upper portion) , the dislocation can be found out . if the defective Flag Pole is not replaced with a new one , the present Flag Pole will be pulled down by Temple Elephants .> 2. Bhagavan wants the Temple to set up Facilities for the study of Sanskrit and Vedas . The Vedas are very important to Guruvayoor Temple . Necessary Facilities should be provided for higher education of Sanskrit . > 3. Ordinary Bhaktas should not face any hurdle in worshipping Bhagavan due to restrictions made in the name of VIP visits . At present , such difficulties exist and certain Temple staff are behaving rudely with the Bhkthas . This is absolutely unacceptable . Bhagavan is always pleased by the Bhakthy of Common man . > 4. Bhagavan does not want , more than one `Udayasthamana

Pooja' in a day . > 5. The Building in side the Temple premises can be taller than the Temple . But it's floor level should be lower than that of Temple . On such floor , any number of storeys can be constructed . This has no relation with the height of Flag Pole . Considering the roads around the Temple as boundary limits, this condition should be adhered to . > 6. Materials once used for "Thulabharam" can be used again . However, the decayed materials should not be used . > 7. The water from the "Manikkinar" ( Temple's well ) , can be used for Thulabharam . > 8. The future of Bhagavan's presence in Guruvayoor Temple is bright . The present unpleasant issues can be resolved by "Prayrachitham" (Atonement rituals) . These remedial measures must be completed within one year . > ( Note - : Some Devotees brought to the Jyothishis' attention , criticisms in the media against the Jyothishis . But the Jyothishis preferred not to discuss it with

Bhagavan . They stated " This Devaprasnam is being conducted strictly according to the Scriptural Injunctions and associated Vedic Shaastras . We are ready to answer any doubts on this . In stead of that , if some one wants to arrest us , we are helpless . ) > > The "Suvarna-Dwajam" ( Golden Flag Pole ) is not vertical and it is in damaged condition . It's present position too is not correct . This may cause Serious Dangers . > Thanthri ( Temple-Acharya ) is not issuing necessary instructions on time. He feels that, what he says will upset the concerned Authorities ; especially since , what he told in the past were ignored totally . Bhagavan is furious over this situation . > Some Devotees pointed out that , Udayastamana Pooja is performed for a single person only ; And therefore is it necessary to close and open the Sreekovil-Door for it ? . > Bhagavan replied that , Poojas are not for one Person only . More Udayasthamana Poojas and

Thanthric rites are for increasing the `Deva çhaithanyam' (aura) . > The "Pillaru-Thalappoly " ( Ritualistic Offerings on a plate , by children) , being conducted by the local group , is very satisfying to Bhagavathy ( Upadevi , Durga) . > The Turmeric powder being offered to Bhagavathy , has less purity . > Bhagavathy does not need "Kunkuma-archana" . > In the Devawom guest house , a "Karimkaalithara" ( platform for `Karimkaali –Deity ' ) is to be provided . > A particular person from the " Othikkan " (Traditional Poojari) family, is continuously showing disrespect to the position of Thanthri . Bhagavan is upset over this . If this is not stopped immediately , there will be dire consequences . > In the previous Devawom Cow-Shelter "Kaaveedu" , some Cows were killed . In order to avoid it's ill-effects in the new Cow-Shelter , "Kalasa Pooja" and other atonements to be performed for Bhagavathy . > Some "KeezhShaantis" (

Assistant Poojaris) are not maintaining the necessary personal purity, required for Poojas . This is repeated many times . This will cause calamities in the "Thidappally" ( Platform in front of Sanctum Sanctorum) itself . > Some Temple Staff are not performing their duties properly and are shifting it's blame to others . They are going for other assignments that fetches better income . Also , there is serious infighting among the Staff . > Quoting verses from the "Kapilopadesa in Bhagavatham" , Justice Radhakrishna Menon raised doubts about the previous days revelations on rejection of Churidar . The Jyothishis re-confirmed with evidence that, Bhagavan does not like any amendment to the time-proven "Kshetra-Aachaaras" , in such unauthorized ways . > Change in Dress Code> ( History : On 27th July, Guruvayur Devaswom had relaxed the traditional Temple Dress code to allow Women Devotees to wear Churidar inside the Temple . Earlier, women could wear

only dresses such as sari, set-mundu, half-sari and skirt and blouse to the Temple. Even if women wore kurtas to the shrine, they had to wear a `mundu' over the pyjamas. However , soon after the Marxist led agitations seeking amendment of "Kshetra Aachaaras' ( Temple customs) , the Marxist Devaswom Board President announced his decision to allow Churidar inside the Temple. Later this matter was taken up in the Board meeting wherein the Thantri sated his objection . But, the Board flatly refused to revoke it's public announcement and ordered the Thantri to shut up.) > In the wake of Guruvayoorappan's objections to the changes in `Kshetra-Acharas ` , the recent change in Dress code was checked on the fifth day of `Devaprasnam' . During the `Acharyavaranakriya' , when a new cloth was brought , the Board Official instructed to cut it and fetch a small piece out of it . When the cloth was cut , it became ` Gana-vastra' which according to Jyothisha is used for

post-death rituals . Based on this `nimitham' ( divine syndrome) , Jyothishis analysed further to find out Bhagavan's will . And the following was revealed :> > Devaswam officials had issued a strict instruction to the Thanthri and all concerned to allow Churidar inside the Temple . > Thanthri was not allowed to raise his objection . Because of this , he could not seek Bhagavan's permission or conduct the Social Prayer necessary for seeking Bhagavan's consent for the change of ` Aachaara `. Therefore , instead of a natural change , Dewaswam's will was imposed on Thantri and Bhagavan . Next day, onwards Women started entering the Temple wearing Churidar which was unacceptable to Bhagavan . This resulted in the violent behavior of Temple-Elephants , Falling down of ` Thidambu'( Festival Deity) , etc . If this non-obedience is continued, it will be harmful to the Person wearing the Churidar and their families . It could result in premature deaths . Even,

it could even harm the human kind as a whole . > Guruvayoorappan wants His Bhaktas to wear simple traditional dress inside the Temple . Dresses like Churidar is `paradesi ` ( foreign) , which is unacceptable to Bhagavan. > > Devaswom Shelters for Old and Orphan Bhakthas > Bhagavan reiterated His desire to accommodate and protect His Old and Orphan Bhakthas in a Shelter which should be constructed by Devaswom . He pointed out that , according to His instructions earlier , daily `Prasada Ooottu `( Feeding of the Bhakthas) was started for 500 Bhakthas . Now it is provided daily for 5000 Bhakthas . Likewise , the Shelter will also be a success . While this was discussed , Bhagavatha Hamsam Malliyoor Shankaran Namboothiri ( Guruvayoorappan's legendary Bhakta) , entered the dais of Devaprasnam . Jyothishis found this as the divine omen of Bhagavan''s presence there and Bhaktavalsala's compassion for His Devotees .> > In near

future, the cloth of a person arriving for Darshan will be caught fire in the Temple . Also, in the Temple premises , one's wife will be killed by an Elephant or Cow . > Devaswom Board must consider `Krishnanaattam' (which is very dear to Bhagavan) , as Sacred . In last two years , during Vijayadasami , the 9 days long `Krishnanaattam' is not conducted by Devaswam Board . Devotees are offering it . Devaswam must conduct this with faith . > The "Koothambalam" (Auditorium for Temple Arts) is as important as the Temple . It must be cleaned daily and an Oil lamp to be lit there . > The continuing atonement for removing the previous Temple-Acharyas Puliyannoor Family long back , to be performed properly . It is not carried out decently now . > The Garland for Sreekovil , to be prepared in the Temple itself . > Those working inside the Temple , must use decent Language . > Efforts must be made to keep the Temple clean . > The

Daily Ritual " Olavaayana " ( A Warrier temple-staff writes the Day's Income and Expenses on a Palm Leaf and Reads it out to Bhagavan before the closure of Temple , every night ) , has been stopped . Instead it is issued in writing to Him , as a token gesture . Bhagavan is furious at this Cheating . Right from tonight (03 Nov) , "Olavaayana" must be resumed . > The existing "Achaaraas'( Rituals and Practices of the Temple) can not be debated and amended by any ` Acharya-Sabha' ( Assembly of Vedic Acharyas and Experts) . They are to be adhered to as it is . > The `Guru-parambara' relationship in the Temple, has been lost . > The `Thidambu' ( Festival Moorthy) has fallen down . For that, `prayachitha' atonement was not done properly . > Bhagavan is unhappy over the financial burden being imposed on His Bhakthas , by Devaswom Board's frequent increases in the material cost of Offerings . > `Prasadam' is being sold in the Shops outside the

Temple. > There are defects in the Moorthy of Ganapathy , the Upadeva . Waste materials are stockpiled inside His temple . His displeasure will cause irritation to the Temple Elephants . Renovation of His temple needs to be done . > The Construction works inside the Temple premises , were carried out without Bhagavan's consent . There are defects in those works . In matters of `Vastu' , the opinions of more than one Expert need to be sought . > The relocated positions of Upadevas are not compatible with that of Flag staff . > There are reductions in the Poojas . > The Temple Pond has become impure . Many deaths have occurred therein already . It is not maintained as Sacred . > Another Temple Pond having the Divine presence, was filled up totally . > The sacred Ashoka tree near the Bhagavathy Temple was cut down . It's atonement needs to be done . > The Coconuts once offered to Bhagavathy are offered to Her again and

again to save cost and time . This is unacceptable to Her . > Sastha , the Upadeva is unhappy due to lapses in His rituals . > Although , the Temple Administrators and their Masters will try to block the proposed remedial measures , Bhagavan's grace will help to complete it . > Guruvayoorappan is unhappy over the lapses in the " Kshethra-Acharas" ( Temple-Customs) . As a result, Bomb/Fire/Riots might cause mass deaths inside or just outside the Temple . > `Deva-Chaithanyam' ( aura) is intact on the Deity which is unique . > There will be sharp increase in the inflow of Devotees and Temple revenue . > Guruvayoor Temple should be treated as an important Shrine in the whole Country and any adverse thing happening to the Temple would have its fallout on the entire Nation . > Bhagavan's money is being misused by the concerned Officials . > Certain Staff are involving in `Adharmic' ( unrighteous) activities inside Temple

premises . > Entry on Non-Hindus inside Temple , is unacceptable to Bhagavan . Devotees having firm faith in Deity worship and temple customs are the ones to enter the Temple . > The Thanthri ( Acharya of the temple) , is not allowed by the Devaswom Officials to perform his duties properly . Because of this , Bhagavan is unhappy and the Thantri is very sad . Thanthri's Instructions are being ignored by the Administrators . Therefore, he is not giving anymore instructions . > Temple Officials are misusing the Temple wealth . Both the previous and present Officials are guilty of sinful activities . Some Staff are entering the Temple after consuming Liquor . > There is impurity in the `Nivedaya- items' being offered to Bhagavan . > Bhagvan's favorite , Milk and Plantain Nivedyam have been stopped . > In the Temple's Gokulam , Bhagavan;'s Cows are not looked after properly . Theft and even killing of Cows have occurred . `Go-Sapa'

(Curse of Cows) exists . > Within a few months , one Temple Elephant will die . > Please forward this message to as many Bhakthas as possible . Let everyone pray Sree Guruvayoorappan .> Om Namo Narayanaya !!! Please protect us , O Guruvayoor Bhagavan !!!!> > Krishnadaya . > > > > > > > Unlimited freedom, unlimited storage. Get it now> Get the freedom to save as many mails as you wish. Click here to know how.

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