Guest guest Posted February 11, 2008 Report Share Posted February 11, 2008 Namasthe dear Sarojam ji, Thanks for your wonderful and kind explanations. I understand it better now. My pranaams to all. Geetha guruvayur , Saroja Ramanujam <sarojram18 wrote: > > The ten avatharas are extolled because in them the divinity manifested clearly and not in others.Jayadeva was praisine Krishna ad hence he said that Krishna Himself incatnated as all the avataras. To complete the no. of ten maybe he has added Buddha. In Narayneeyam also Narayanbhattar was addressing Krishna in retellin gthe bhagavatham and hence he says that Guruvayurappan only manifested as the ten avatharas. Thyagaraja says that Rama is the on who appeared in allthe ten avataras. Each one is right according to the line of devotion they followed. In Devibhagavath it is said theat the ten avataras came from Devi etc,.As O PR Radhkrishnan has said all are His avtaras including you and me because He is manifes in everyone.These ten avataras are taken to be the most important because the devotees and saints have mentioned it to be so. > saroja Rmanujam > > > > > Dr. Saroja Ramanujam, M.A., Ph.D, Siromani in sanskrit. > > > www.freewebs.com/asrama3 > > > > > > > > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try it now. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 11, 2008 Report Share Posted February 11, 2008 Dear all, Radhe Krishna! A very beautiful answer Mataji has given. As she has said, each one of us is a manifestation of that Supreme Lord, who can be called Krishna, Rama or by any other name, depending upon the level of Bhakti he or she has. So far as we are worshipping the Saguna-brahman, these doubts will remain. Even Thyagaraja, Narayana Bhattatiri and Jayadeva were not free from such thoughts. So how about ordinary people like us? Once a person transcends Maya and goes into a state of " Nis-thraigunya " , and starts " NIrguna-brahmopasana " , only then, can he really perceive things in totality and the oneness of everything. It is like the mirage one sees while walking on the hot road, and mistakes the solar energy for water and all the five elements are mistaken one for the other, as given in the very first sloka of Bhagavatam. That doesn't mean that he will stop seeing the mirage, but he would have, by that time realised the truth of the mirage. The only truth is the Supreme one devoid of all kinds of delusions, and let us meditate on that.(Nirastha-kuhakam Sathyam Param dheemahi!) And that is the same as the One Who shines in the temple of Guruvayoor! Hantha Bhagyam Jananam! Regards KVG. Saroja Ramanujam wrote: > The ten avatharas are extolled because in them the divinity manifested > clearly and not in others.Jayadeva was praisine Krishna ad hence he > said that Krishna Himself incatnated as all the avataras. To complete > the no. of ten maybe he has added Buddha. In Narayneeyam also > Narayanbhattar was addressing Krishna in retellin gthe bhagavatham and > hence he says that Guruvayurappan only manifested as the ten > avatharas. Thyagaraja says that Rama is the on who appeared in allthe > ten avataras. Each one is right according to the line of devotion they > followed. In Devibhagavath it is said theat the ten avataras came from > Devi etc,.As O PR Radhkrishnan has said all are His avtaras including > you and me because He is manifes in everyone.These ten avataras are > taken to be the most important because the devotees and saints have > mentioned it to be so. > saroja Rmanujam > > > ** > > * Dr. Saroja Ramanujam, M.A., Ph.D, Siromani in sanskrit.* > > > www.freewebs.com/asrama3 > <http://www.freewebs.com/asrama3> > > > > ------ > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try > it now. > <http://us.rd./evt=51733/*http://mobile./;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtD\ ypao8Wcj9tAcJ%20> > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 11, 2008 Report Share Posted February 11, 2008 Hari OM! Dear Narayanas in Masks! Thanks for all for this wonderful explanation. but it is not digestable when people says " HANUMAN IS ONE SATELLITE " and " SUGRIVA IS ANOTHER SATILLITE " thinking of that pathetic thinking. Oh Lord Guruvayurappa give them good thoughts. With Love & OM! Krishna Prasad On 2/11/08, K.V Gopalakrishna <gopalakrishna.kv wrote: Dear all,Radhe Krishna!A very beautiful answer Mataji has given. As she has said, each one of us is a manifestation of that Supreme Lord, who can be called Krishna, Rama or by any other name, depending upon the level of Bhakti he or she has. So far as we are worshipping the Saguna-brahman, these doubts will remain. Even Thyagaraja, Narayana Bhattatiri and Jayadeva were not free from such thoughts. So how about ordinary people like us? Once a person transcends Maya and goes into a state of " Nis-thraigunya " , and starts " NIrguna-brahmopasana " , only then, can he really perceive things in totality and the oneness of everything. It is like the mirage one sees while walking on the hot road, and mistakes the solar energy for water and all the five elements are mistaken one for the other, as given in the very first sloka of Bhagavatam. That doesn't mean that he will stop seeing the mirage, but he would have, by that time realised the truth of the mirage. The only truth is the Supreme one devoid of all kinds of delusions, and let us meditate on that.(Nirastha-kuhakam Sathyam Param dheemahi!) And that is the same as the One Who shines in the temple of Guruvayoor! Hantha Bhagyam Jananam!RegardsKVG.Saroja Ramanujam wrote:> The ten avatharas are extolled because in them the divinity manifested > clearly and not in others.Jayadeva was praisine Krishna ad hence he > said that Krishna Himself incatnated as all the avataras. To complete > the no. of ten maybe he has added Buddha. In Narayneeyam also > Narayanbhattar was addressing Krishna in retellin gthe bhagavatham and > hence he says that Guruvayurappan only manifested as the ten > avatharas. Thyagaraja says that Rama is the on who appeared in allthe > ten avataras. Each one is right according to the line of devotion they > followed. In Devibhagavath it is said theat the ten avataras came from > Devi etc,.As O PR Radhkrishnan has said all are His avtaras including > you and me because He is manifes in everyone.These ten avataras are > taken to be the most important because the devotees and saints have > mentioned it to be so.> saroja Rmanujam >>> ** > > * Dr. Saroja Ramanujam, M.A., Ph.D, Siromani in sanskrit.*> > > www.freewebs.com/asrama3 > <http://www.freewebs.com/asrama3>> > >> ------------------------- > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try > it now. > <http://us.rd./evt=51733/*http://mobile./;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ%20> >> You are managing the guruvayur group through Grouply. You to individual emails for this group. | Update your Subscription settings 9 messages in this conversation, including this one | Add a comment View this message on Grouply so you can rate, tag, bookmark, and see what others think about it. Y! Messenger Instant smiles Share photos while you IM friends. Best of Y! Groups Discover groups that are the best of their class. Move More on This is your life not a phys-ed class. -- dotcompals: www.dotcompals.in .Org domain Names for just 2.5 USD Krishna PrasadDare to give up the comfort of the 'known' and venture into the 'unknown' The more we know, the more we will come to realize what we do not know.If we want to achieve our true potential and live life to the fullest. As Poojya Gurudev said it, "Open your eyes. Burst your shell. Spread your wings and fly!"Swami ChinmayanandaHate not the sinner - hate the sin; and always hate the sin even with an excess of hatred. " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 12, 2008 Report Share Posted February 12, 2008 Dear Krishna Prasadji and other friends of the Guruvayoor group, Radhe Krishna! You all remember afresh, the story of Poonthanam's "Maraprabhu" and the Lord's revelation to him that He is prabhu of Marams also and hence, He has assured that Poonthanamn has not said anything wrong. The Brahman is everywhere. All we see, hear, experience in other ways through our Jnanendriyas are all Brahman. A Satelite is also Brahman. The same Brahman shines within you, me, Hanuman, Sugriva, at Guruvayoor temple (Tat-tavat bhaati sakshat-Gurupavanapure--- Hantha Bhagyam Jananaam!) and the Satellites as well. So let him call them satellites. We are all satellites revolving around Guruvayoorappan. So let us realise the Ultimate truth from such postings. Let us not get worked up or get agitated in our minds if somebody says something due to his ignorance. Regards KVG Krishna Prasad wrote: Hari OM! Dear Narayanas in Masks! Thanks for all for this wonderful explanation. but it is not digestable when people says "HANUMAN IS ONE SATELLITE" and " SUGRIVA IS ANOTHER SATILLITE" thinking of that pathetic thinking. Oh Lord Guruvayurappa give them good thoughts. With Love & OM! Krishna Prasad On 2/11/08, K.V Gopalakrishna <gopalakrishna.kv > wrote: Dear all, Radhe Krishna! A very beautiful answer Mataji has given. As she has said, each one of us is a manifestation of that Supreme Lord, who can be called Krishna, Rama or by any other name, depending upon the level of Bhakti he or she has. So far as we are worshipping the Saguna-brahman, these doubts will remain. Even Thyagaraja, Narayana Bhattatiri and Jayadeva were not free from such thoughts. So how about ordinary people like us? Once a person transcends Maya and goes into a state of "Nis-thraigunya", and starts "NIrguna-brahmopasana", only then, can he really perceive things in totality and the oneness of everything. It is like the mirage one sees while walking on the hot road, and mistakes the solar energy for water and all the five elements are mistaken one for the other, as given in the very first sloka of Bhagavatam. That doesn't mean that he will stop seeing the mirage, but he would have, by that time realised the truth of the mirage. The only truth is the Supreme one devoid of all kinds of delusions, and let us meditate on that.(Nirastha-kuhakam Sathyam Param dheemahi!) And that is the same as the One Who shines in the temple of Guruvayoor! Hantha Bhagyam Jananam! Regards KVG. Saroja Ramanujam wrote: > The ten avatharas are extolled because in them the divinity manifested > clearly and not in others.Jayadeva was praisine Krishna ad hence he > said that Krishna Himself incatnated as all the avataras. To complete > the no. of ten maybe he has added Buddha. In Narayneeyam also > Narayanbhattar was addressing Krishna in retellin gthe bhagavatham and > hence he says that Guruvayurappan only manifested as the ten > avatharas. Thyagaraja says that Rama is the on who appeared in allthe > ten avataras. Each one is right according to the line of devotion they > followed. In Devibhagavath it is said theat the ten avataras came from > Devi etc,.As O PR Radhkrishnan has said all are His avtaras including > you and me because He is manifes in everyone.These ten avataras are > taken to be the most important because the devotees and saints have > mentioned it to be so. > saroja Rmanujam > > > ** > > * Dr. Saroja Ramanujam, M.A., Ph.D, Siromani in sanskrit.* > > > www.freewebs.com/asrama3 > <http://www.freewebs.com/asrama3> > > > > ------------------------- > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try > it now. > <http://us.rd./evt=51733/*http://mobile./;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ%20> > > You are managing the guruvayur group through Grouply. You to individual emails for this group. | Update your Subscription settings 9 messages in this conversation, including this one | Add a comment View this message on Grouply so you can rate, tag, bookmark, and see what others think about it. Y! Messenger Instant smiles Share photos while you IM friends. Best of Y! Groups Discover groups that are the best of their class. Move More on This is your life not a phys-ed class. -- dotcompals: www.dotcompals.in ..Org domain Names for just 2.5 USD Krishna Prasad Dare to give up the comfort of the 'known' and venture into the 'unknown' The more we know, the more we will come to realize what we do not know. If we want to achieve our true potential and live life to the fullest. As Poojya Gurudev said it, "Open your eyes. Burst your shell. Spread your wings and fly!" Swami Chinmayananda Hate not the sinner - hate the sin; and always hate the sin even with an excess of hatred." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 15, 2008 Report Share Posted February 15, 2008 Dear Sri. Krishna Prasad, I do not know as to why you get agitated if some one airs his feelings. Unless you prove othersise, I still hold on my views that Hanuman can be a SATELLITE. Without losing temper if you can answer me , you try it. Can you tell me about PUSHPAKA VIMANA. Was it not a scientific marvel of yesterdays? I do not agree with Mr. KVG also. I have written the article after going through many reference books. please do not mix up ATHMIKAM and SCIENTIFIC MATTERS. Is it possible humanly or otherwise to jump from Lanka to Himalayas? People of your nature are responsible for the contraversy created about RAMAR SETHU. I agree that it is a belief of the majority religion of India that it was made by Sri Ram . No body should go against the will or belief of the majority. Nothing more than that. Please note Adi Sankara propagated ADVAITHA to counter BUDDHIST THEORY. Sri. Ramanujacharya negated it with his DWAITHA Philosophy. These will go on and let us not get agitated. Regards, P.R.RADHAKRISHNAN Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 17, 2008 Report Share Posted February 17, 2008 Hari-Om ------- Many claim that the ten avatars represent the evolution of life and of mankind. Matsya, the fish, represents life in water. Kurma, the tortoise, represents the next stage, amphibianism. The third animal, the boar Varaha, symbolizes life on land. Narasimha, the Man-Lion, symbolizes the commencement development of man. Vamana, the dwarf, symbolizes this incomplete development. Then, Parashurama, the forest-dweller, connotes completion of the basic development of humankind. The King Rama signals man's ability to govern nations. Krishna, an expert in the sixty-four fields of science and art according to Hinduism, indicates man's advancement to cultural concerns. Buddha, the Enlightened one, symbolizes the enlightenment and spiritual advancement of man. Note that the time of the avatars does not necessarily indicate much; kings ruled long before Rama and science was pursued long before Krishna. The avatars represent the order, and not the time, of these occurrences, according to certain Hindus. The animal development connotations bear striking resemblances to the theory of Evolution. Jai Shree Krishna ! guruvayur , dhanya anandkrishna <dhanyavariar wrote: > > The 10 Avatars: > Vishnu¢s earthly incarnations have many avatars. His ten avatars are: > > 1. Matsyavatara (fish), > 2. Koorma (tortoise), > 3. Varaaha (boar), > 4. Narasimha (the man lion), > 5. Vaamana (the dwarf), > 6. Parasurama (the angry man), > 7. Lord Rama (the perfect human of the Ramayana), > 8. Lord Krishna (the divine diplomat and statesman), > 9. Kalki avatar. > > I know that vishu's tenth incarnation is kalki avatar,, then which avatar of vishnu am i missing? > Is it lord Buddha?,, i read it in wikepedia that Lord budha is one of incarnation of Lord vishu,, is it true? > > > " The most effective way to do it, is to do it " > > > ___________________ _______________ > Looking for last minute shopping deals? > Find them fast with Search. http://tools.search./newsearch/category.php? category=shopping > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 17, 2008 Report Share Posted February 17, 2008 Dear all, Radhe Krishna! Man's innovative mind can find innumerable explanations. First of all, the Avataras did not take place in the order they are mentioned in the sloka "Matsyah Koormo Varaho Naraharina-pathir-Vamano Jamadagnyah, Kakutsah Kamsakhadee Manasija-vijayo yascha Kalkee bhavishyan--etc.----" So it cannot represent evolution in that order. Take Matsyavatara for example. Who took the Matsya home and put in a bowl? So Rajarshis were already present in the world (?) Did not the Matsya tell the King, "If you leave me here, other water animals will eat me up." So were not other animals like crocodiles present(?) Who all climbed the boat (the earth in the form of a boat) when the great deluge came? So were not the Saptharshis present at that time (?) How did the Saptharshis become great ascetics ? So was the mind of man not developed enough to perform penance and concentrate? If we take each Avatara, we will be able to find facts like this which are contrary to such thoughts quoted by you. So kindly do not entertain such thoughts. If one believes in the scriptures, he should believe in it. These are the vain arguments (Viruddha-vadam) given by the non-believers to despise our scriptures and the Hindu religion. This is my opinion. Regards KVG chirattapuram wrote: Hari-Om ------- Many claim that the ten avatars represent the evolution of life and of mankind. Matsya, the fish, represents life in water. Kurma, the tortoise, represents the next stage, amphibianism. The third animal, the boar Varaha, symbolizes life on land. Narasimha, the Man-Lion, symbolizes the commencement development of man. Vamana, the dwarf, symbolizes this incomplete development. Then, Parashurama, the forest-dweller, connotes completion of the basic development of humankind. The King Rama signals man's ability to govern nations. Krishna, an expert in the sixty-four fields of science and art according to Hinduism, indicates man's advancement to cultural concerns. Buddha, the Enlightened one, symbolizes the enlightenment and spiritual advancement of man. Note that the time of the avatars does not necessarily indicate much; kings ruled long before Rama and science was pursued long before Krishna. The avatars represent the order, and not the time, of these occurrences, according to certain Hindus. The animal development connotations bear striking resemblances to the theory of Evolution. Jai Shree Krishna ! guruvayur@grou ps.com, dhanya anandkrishna <dhanyavariar@ ...> wrote: > > The 10 Avatars: > Vishnu¢s earthly incarnations have many avatars. His ten avatars are: > > 1. Matsyavatara (fish), > 2. Koorma (tortoise), > 3. Varaaha (boar), > 4. Narasimha (the man lion), > 5. Vaamana (the dwarf), > 6. Parasurama (the angry man), > 7. Lord Rama (the perfect human of the Ramayana), > 8. Lord Krishna (the divine diplomat and statesman), > 9. Kalki avatar. > > I know that vishu's tenth incarnation is kalki avatar,, then which avatar of vishnu am i missing? > Is it lord Buddha?,, i read it in wikepedia that Lord budha is one of incarnation of Lord vishu,, is it true? > > > " The most effective way to do it, is to do it " > > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _ ____________ ___ > Looking for last minute shopping deals? > Find them fast with Search. http://tools. search.. com/newsearch/ category. php? category=shopping > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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