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Chottanikkara Makam Chottanikkara enshrines Bhagawati - the mother Goddess, one of the most popular

deities in Kerala. The temple is said to have been built by Uthiyan Cheran of the Chera Dynasty Bhagawati, is the presiding deity here. The image of Bhagawati (Rajarajeswari) is of laterite; untouched by the human sculptor, this image is of irregular shape and is covered with a golden kavacham. The image has four arms. The upper right holds the discus, the left a conch. This deity is worshipped in three different forms - as Saraswati (Sri Mookambika Devi) in the morning - draped in white, as Bhadrakali at noon draped in crimson, and as Durga in the evening decked in blue. An interesting feature of the image is that it is mounted on sand instead of being fixed on the ground.The Temple is famous for healing mental disorders and evil spirits, apart from

fulfilling all the righteous wishes of the devotees According to legend, a notorious dacoit called Kannappan was chasing a cow to slaughter it when he found his daughter playing with the same cow at home. So he abandoned the idea of killing. Later after his daughter died, he was greatly grieved. It was then that Goddess Bhagawati appeared and said it was she

who had come in the form of a cow. Kannappan found two images, in his cowshed the next day, one of the Goddess and the other of Lord Vishnu. This was the root of the shrine that came to be the Chottanikkara Temple. The annual festival here is celebrated during the month of Kumbha, February to

March. The "Makam" star is one of the most auspicious days during the period of the annual festival. Devotees from all over the country visit the temple on that day The Devi appeared before Vilwamangalam Swamiyar as Sree Lakshmy in all her regal splendour along with Maha Vishnu, at the auspicious moment of Midhuna lagna, Makam Nakshathra in the month of Kumbha, That forms the basis for the most Holy Chottanikkara Makam Thozhal. This year, it is on February 21st. The ritualistic bath of "Devi" in ceremonial pond in the morning at the sacred pond at Onakkoor, far on the northern side of the Temple. After this "Devi” is accompanied by Lord Sastha on the back of the eleven caparisoned elephants march towards the"Pooraparambu" the traditional vantage point where they remain till 11 a.m. This spectacular show is every year witnessed by thousands of devotees who are enthralled by the enchanting "Panchavadyam" and "Nadaswaram" performances. After the mid-day, the door of Sanctum Sanctorum closes. Only to re-open at 2 PM for the "Makam Darsanam". The whole temple premises will be over crowded by devotees especially the women folk to have a look at Devi who appears in her sacred full-fledged splendour and glory decked in her sacred gold ornaments, precious jewellery and innumerable garlands. It is a resplendent vision. This is exactly the form of vision which Villwamangalam Swamiyar was believed to have had when he faced westward after the "Prathishta" (installation) of

Kizhukkavu Bhagavathy, Chottanikkara Devi appears at this moment, clad in glittering clothes brilliant ornaments and fine jewellery with her four arms bearing varam, Abhayam, Shank and Chakram (Offering gift and refuge) to her ardent devotees. It is fervently believed that who gain "Darsanam" at this crucial "Mithuna Lagnam", will be blessed with the fulfilment of their long standing desires and prayers. The prayer- Amme Narayana, Devi Narayana Lakshmi Narayana and Bhadre Narayana will be chanted by devotees in great fervour and devotion Bhadhra Krishna PrasadBinu Nair More important than What is Behind you and what is Ahead of you is what is In you. Seek it. Centred in it, act and live. ----Swami Chinmayanada

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HARI AUMThank you Binu Nair for the veryinformative and interestingwrite-up. I really enjoyed it but for themention of the haplesselephants being caparisoned and kept there for such longhours: "[ ... isaccompaniedby Lord Sastha on the back of the elevencaparisoned elephants marchtowardsthe"Pooraparambu" the traditional vantage point where theyremain till 11 a.m.This spectacular show is every year witnessed by Yes, Panch Vadyam and Nadaswaram are enchanting toushumans. But is it not simply in-human that we subject these magnificentbuthapless elephants, known to be fond of calm, cool environments tosuch noiseand din for such long hours?! Can you really get enthralledby this sight if you take alook at the iron chains wound deep into the woundson the legs of thesecreatures. If you care to think of the countlessitems of cruelty thatwe subject these elephants to for their entire life - illfed, tightlychained, especially during their periods of MUSTH, the lifelongstrict CELIBACY that we impose on all these male ( we use onlytuskers forthese festivals) elephants - then how can you be reallyenthralled?All these too in the name ofGOD, the creator! Do you really believe that Chottanikara Devi - theMother GODESS will be pleased to see these sons of hers being treated by us inthis condition? LOKA SAMASTA SUKHINO BHAVANTU.With due regards to all and nooffense to any Yours affectionately,NB NairPS. My first attempt to reply did not come, perhaps due to some error from my side and hence I am repeating it now pl. nbn.guruvayur , Binu nair <nairbbinu wrote:>> Chottanikkara Makam> > > Chottanikkara enshrines Bhagawati - the mother Goddess, one of the most popular deities in Kerala. The temple is said to have been built by Uthiyan Cheran of the Chera Dynasty Bhagawati, is the presiding deity here. The image of Bhagawati (Rajarajeswari) is of laterite; untouched by the human sculptor, this image is of irregular shape and is covered with a golden kavacham. The image has four arms. The upper right holds the discus, the left a conch. This deity is worshipped in three different forms - as Saraswati (Sri Mookambika Devi) in the morning - draped in white, as Bhadrakali at noon draped in crimson, and as Durga in the evening decked in blue. An interesting feature of the image is that it is mounted on sand instead of being fixed on the ground.The Temple is famous for healing mental disorders and evil spirits, apart from fulfilling all the righteous wishes of the devotees> > According to legend, a notorious dacoit called Kannappan was chasing a cow to slaughter it when he found his daughter playing with the same cow at home. So he abandoned the idea of killing. Later after his daughter died, he was greatly grieved. It was then that Goddess Bhagawati appeared and said it was she who had come in the form of a cow. Kannappan found two images, in his cowshed the next day, one of the Goddess and the other of Lord Vishnu. This was the root of the shrine that came to be the Chottanikkara Temple. > > The annual festival here is celebrated during the month of Kumbha, February to March. The "Makam" star is one of the most auspicious days during the period of the annual festival. Devotees from all over the country visit the temple on that day The Devi appeared before Vilwamangalam Swamiyar as Sree Lakshmy in all her regal splendour along with Maha Vishnu, at the auspicious moment of Midhuna lagna, Makam Nakshathra in the month of Kumbha, That forms the basis for the most Holy Chottanikkara Makam Thozhal. This year, it is on February 21st.> > The ritualistic bath of "Devi" in ceremonial pond in the morning at the sacred pond at Onakkoor, far on the northern side of the Temple. After this "Devi" is accompanied by Lord Sastha on the back of the eleven caparisoned elephants march towards the"Pooraparambu" the traditional vantage point where they remain till 11 a.m. This spectacular show is every year witnessed by thousands of devotees who are enthralled by the enchanting "Panchavadyam" and "Nadaswaram" performances.> After the mid-day, the door of Sanctum Sanctorum closes. Only to re-open at 2 PM for the "Makam Darsanam". The whole temple premises will be over crowded by devotees especially the women folk to have a look at Devi who appears in her sacred full-fledged splendour and glory decked in her sacred gold ornaments, precious jewellery and innumerable garlands. It is a resplendent vision. This is exactly the form of vision which Villwamangalam Swamiyar was believed to have had when he faced westward after the "Prathishta" (installation) of Kizhukkavu Bhagavathy, Chottanikkara Devi appears at this moment, clad in glittering clothes brilliant ornaments and fine jewellery with her four arms bearing varam, Abhayam, Shank and Chakram (Offering gift and refuge) to her ardent devotees. It is fervently believed that who gain "Darsanam" at this crucial "Mithuna Lagnam", will be blessed with the fulfilment of their long standing desires and prayers. The prayer- Amme Narayana, Devi> Narayana Lakshmi Narayana and Bhadre Narayana will be chanted by devotees in great fervour and devotion> > > > Bhadhra Krishna Prasad> > > > Binu Nair > > More important than What is Behind you and what is Ahead of you is what is In you. > Seek it. Centred in it, act and live. ----Swami Chinmayanada> > > Why delete messages? Unlimited storage is just a click away.>

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OM Namo Narayana Dear NB Sir, .First, let me thank you for the appreciation for the write-up.It is my second write up in this group...and I was really happy that you liked it because my earlier experience is restricted to writing political articles only in Educational Journals Now coming to the Question you have addressed.......People have different writing styles ..I have used the word Enthral which means 'to captivate'.not as 'to charm'....It is clear from the write up the people are enthralled by Panchavadyam and Nadaswaram... [thousands of devoteeswho are enthralled by the enchanting "Panchavadyam" and"Nadaswaram" performances.]" Don't you think Sir you will be captivated by an elephant coming across......or what about the famous Thrissur Pooram?... In the Thrissur pooram, during

the last day...two elephants which carry the Devis of 2 temples cry...u can see tears in their eyes....It is said that ,the 2sisters, Thiruvambadi Devi and paramekkavil Devi are crying.It is the parting time..They will be able to meet only next year.during the next pooram[said to me by my GrandMother.-.May be it is one of her versions for Kids..but it always had an impact on me] .Moreover in Kerala, there are no temple festivals with out elephants I do agree with you about the inhuman treatment towards elephants due to the so called "modern commercialisation" and I myself has signed a petition against the inhuman practices towards elephants....it is really sad......I do understand perfectly your view....but while writing,

i have to provide the information as it cater to many across the globe .Animals have to be treated well. Animals like elephants are abused by a few owners for monetary benefits without giving them their due care, respect or rest. The situation needs to be tackled by the Government and non-Governmental organisations. Public awareness of animal rights is abysmally low in the State. Therefore, ill treatment of elephants evokes not a big protest from the public. Periodic health check-up by Government-approved veterinarians should be made compulsory for all captive elephants. Instances of physical torture should be dealt with as per the extant laws. Elephants that are physically unfit should not be forced to participate in festivals. The festival organisers and the devotees who participate in the temple festivals should take the initiative to ensure that the

elephants are treated in a humane manner. The mahouts should be trained scientifically to tackle the behavioural and physiological changes in elephants. Creating awareness about animal rights among the younger generation will go a long way in preventing cruelty towards elephants. Thank you once again for your interest and will be expecting this enthusiasm and comments for my future write-ups in the group...... Sree Guruvayurappa Sharanam Hare Guruvayurappa thwal padhe sarvawum samarppayamiBhadra KrishnaPrasad nbnair2000 <nbnair2000 wrote: HARI AUM Thank you Binu Nair for the veryinformative and interestingwrite-up. I really enjoyed it but for themention of the haplesselephants being caparisoned and kept there for such longhours: "[ ... isaccompaniedby Lord Sastha on the back of the elevencaparisoned elephants marchtowardsthe"Pooraparambu" the traditional vantage point where theyremain till 11 a.m.This spectacular show is every year witnessed by Yes, Panch Vadyam and Nadaswaram are enchanting toushumans. But is it not

simply in-human that we subject these magnificentbuthapless elephants, known to be fond of calm, cool environments tosuch noiseand din for such long hours?! Can you really get enthralledby this sight if you take alook at the iron chains wound deep into the woundson the legs of thesecreatures. If you care to think of the countlessitems of cruelty thatwe subject these elephants to for their entire life - illfed, tightlychained, especially during their periods of MUSTH, the lifelongstrict CELIBACY that we impose on all these male ( we use onlytuskers forthese festivals) elephants - then how can you be reallyenthralled? All these too in the name ofGOD, the creator! Do you really believe that Chottanikara Devi - theMother GODESS will be pleased to see these sons of hers being treated by us inthis condition?

LOKA SAMASTA SUKHINO BHAVANTU. With due regards to all and nooffense to any Yours affectionately, NB Nair PS. My first attempt to reply did not come, perhaps due to some error from my side and hence I am repeating it now pl. nbn.guruvayur , Binu nair <nairbbinu wrote:>> Chottanikkara Makam> > > Chottanikkara enshrines Bhagawati - the mother Goddess, one of the most popular deities in Kerala. The temple is said to have been built by Uthiyan Cheran of the Chera Dynasty Bhagawati, is the presiding deity here. The image of Bhagawati (Rajarajeswari) is of laterite; untouched by the human sculptor, this image is of irregular shape and is covered

with a golden kavacham. The image has four arms. The upper right holds the discus, the left a conch. This deity is worshipped in three different forms - as Saraswati (Sri Mookambika Devi) in the morning - draped in white, as Bhadrakali at noon draped in crimson, and as Durga in the evening decked in blue. An interesting feature of the image is that it is mounted on sand instead of being fixed on the ground.The Temple is famous for healing mental disorders and evil spirits, apart from fulfilling all the righteous wishes of the devotees> > According to legend, a notorious dacoit called Kannappan was chasing a cow to slaughter it when he found his daughter playing with the same cow at home. So he abandoned the idea of killing. Later after his daughter died, he was greatly grieved. It was then that Goddess Bhagawati appeared and said it was she who had come in the form of a cow. Kannappan found two images, in his cowshed the next day, one of the Goddess and the

other of Lord Vishnu. This was the root of the shrine that came to be the Chottanikkara Temple. > > The annual festival here is celebrated during the month of Kumbha, February to March. The "Makam" star is one of the most auspicious days during the period of the annual festival. Devotees from all over the country visit the temple on that day The Devi appeared before Vilwamangalam Swamiyar as Sree Lakshmy in all her regal splendour along with Maha Vishnu, at the auspicious moment of Midhuna lagna, Makam Nakshathra in the month of Kumbha, That forms the basis for the most Holy Chottanikkara Makam Thozhal. This year, it is on February 21st.> > The ritualistic bath of "Devi" in ceremonial pond in the morning at the sacred pond at Onakkoor, far on the northern side of the Temple. After this "Devi" is accompanied by Lord Sastha on the back of the eleven caparisoned elephants march towards the"Pooraparambu" the traditional vantage point where they

remain till 11 a.m. This spectacular show is every year witnessed by thousands of devotees who are enthralled by the enchanting "Panchavadyam" and "Nadaswaram" performances.> After the mid-day, the door of Sanctum Sanctorum closes. Only to re-open at 2 PM for the "Makam Darsanam". The whole temple premises will be over crowded by devotees especially the women folk to have a look at Devi who appears in her sacred full-fledged splendour and glory decked in her sacred gold ornaments, precious jewellery and innumerable garlands. It is a resplendent vision. This is exactly the form of vision which Villwamangalam Swamiyar was believed to have had when he faced westward after the "Prathishta" (installation) of Kizhukkavu Bhagavathy, Chottanikkara Devi appears at this moment, clad in glittering clothes brilliant ornaments and fine jewellery with her four arms bearing varam, Abhayam, Shank and Chakram (Offering gift and refuge) to her ardent devotees. It is fervently

believed that who gain "Darsanam" at this crucial "Mithuna Lagnam", will be blessed with the fulfilment of their long standing desires and prayers. The prayer- Amme Narayana, Devi> Narayana Lakshmi Narayana and Bhadre Narayana will be chanted by devotees in great fervour and devotion> > > > Bhadhra Krishna Prasad> > > > Binu Nair > > More important than What is Behind you and what is Ahead of you is what is In you. > Seek it. Centred in it, act and live. ----Swami Chinmayanada> > > Why delete messages? Unlimited storage is just a click away.> Binu Nair More important than What is Behind you and what is Ahead of you is what is In you. Seek it. Centred in it, act and live. ----Swami Chinmayanada

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HARI AUM Dear "binu nair",I found your rejoinder very interesting mainly ontwo major accounts (though my response got unduly delayed): 1. Yourmention about the lesson you have learned from your grand mother. For any society the nuances of its values andculture get deeply impressed in young minds through such grand mothers'stories. And that is exactly what thepresent generation lacks – a real loss that all the nuclear families do sufferfrom.2. Your concern about animals, especially the cruelties the captiveelephants are being subjected to. It is generallybelieved that the Guruvayurappan's elephants are comparatively better lookedafter at Punnathur Anakotta. Please makeit a point to visit Punnathur Anakotta whenever you make the next visit toGuruvayur – after all elephants are in the form of SriGanesh. You may not find a single elephant there without shedding tears, for what so ever reasons it may be. Also please don't fail to take a look at thetusker Keerthi who had trampled his first mahout Gopalakrishnan to instantdeath after an Anayottam festival at Chettuva. For a full report click the link below: Read full article (external link) Therubbish being trampled over there by Keerthi was once the sole bread winner ofa poor family! From time immemorial elephants have been anintegral part of our religious festivals and other cultural events. I too used to feel enthralled at themagnificent sights of caparisoned elephants – we see and enjoy only that front view! After a visit to Punnathur Kotta a few years back the sight ofcaparisoned elephants reminds me of those thick iron chains most probably half-sunk into deep woods in their legs, mostly on all the fours! Elephants were never a willing partner inall these practices. But in the past they were never treated this bad. Is it not time that we seriously reconsider whether we should continue this practice,especially in the name of God? With a humble request to all fellowdevotees as well to consider this point keeping in mind the interests ofGuruvayurappan, the creator of all.Regards, nb nair. March 19, 2008.guruvayur , Binu nair <nairbbinu wrote:>> OM Namo Narayana> > Dear NB Sir,> .> First, let me thank you for the appreciation for the write-up.It is my second write up in this group...and I was really happy that you liked it because my earlier experience is restricted to writing political articles only in Educational > Journals > > Now coming to the Question you have addressed.......People have different writing styles ..I have used the word Enthral which means 'to captivate'.not as 'to charm'....It is clear from the write up the people are enthralled by Panchavadyam and Nadaswaram...> > [thousands of devoteeswho are enthralled by the enchanting "Panchavadyam" and"Nadaswaram" performances.]" > > Don't you think Sir you will be captivated by an elephant coming across......or what about the famous Thrissur Pooram?...> > In the Thrissur pooram, during the last day...two elephants which carry the Devis of 2 temples cry...u can see tears in their eyes....It is said that ,the 2sisters, Thiruvambadi Devi and paramekkavil Devi are crying.It is the parting time..They will be able to meet only next year.during the next pooram[said to me by my GrandMother.-.May be it is one of her versions for Kids..but it always had an impact on me] .Moreover in Kerala, there are no temple festivals with out elephants> > I do agree with you about the inhuman treatment towards elephants due to the so called "modern commercialisation" and I myself has signed a petition against the inhuman practices towards elephants....it is really sad......I do > understand perfectly your view....but while writing, i have to provide the information as it cater to many across the globe> > .Animals have to be treated well. Animals like elephants are abused by a few owners for monetary benefits without giving them their due care, respect or rest. The situation needs to be tackled by the Government and > non-Governmental organisations.> Public awareness of animal rights is abysmally low in the State. Therefore, ill treatment of elephants evokes not a big protest from the public. Periodic health check-up by Government-approved veterinarians should be made compulsory for all captive elephants. Instances of physical torture should be dealt with as per the extant laws. Elephants that are physically unfit should not be forced to participate in festivals. The festival organisers and the devotees who participate in the temple festivals should take the initiative to ensure that the elephants are treated in a humane manner. The mahouts should be trained scientifically to tackle the behavioural and physiological changes in elephants. Creating awareness about animal rights among the younger generation will go a long way in preventing cruelty towards elephants. > > Thank you once again for your interest and will be expecting this enthusiasm and comments for my future write-ups in the group......> > Sree Guruvayurappa Sharanam> Hare Guruvayurappa thwal padhe sarvawum samarppayami> Bhadra KrishnaPrasad> > > > > nbnair2000 nbnair2000 wrote:> HARI AUM> Thank you Binu Nair for the veryinformative and interestingwrite-up. I really enjoyed it but for themention of the haplesselephants being caparisoned and kept there for such longhours: > "[ ... isaccompaniedby Lord Sastha on the back of the eleven> caparisoned elephants marchtowardsthe"Pooraparambu" the traditional vantage point where theyremain till 11 a.m.This spectacular show is every year witnessed by Yes, Panch Vadyam and Nadaswaram are enchanting toushumans. But is it not simply in-human that we subject these magnificentbuthapless elephants, known to be fond of calm, cool environments tosuch noiseand din for such long hours?! > Can you really get enthralledby this sight if you take alook at the iron chains wound deep into the woundson the legs of thesecreatures. If you care to think of the countlessitems of cruelty thatwe subject these elephants to for their entire life - illfed, tightlychained, especially during their periods of MUSTH, the lifelongstrict CELIBACY that we impose on all these male ( we use onlytuskers forthese festivals) elephants - then how can you be reallyenthralled?> All these too in the name ofGOD, the creator! Do you really believe that Chottanikara Devi - theMother GODESS will be pleased to see these sons of hers being treated by us inthis condition? > LOKA SAMASTA SUKHINO BHAVANTU.> With due regards to all and nooffense to any > Yours affectionately,> NB Nair> PS. My first attempt to reply did not come, perhaps due to some error from my side and hence I am repeating it now pl. nbn.> > > guruvayur , Binu nair nairbbinu@ wrote:> >> > Chottanikkara Makam> > > > > > Chottanikkara enshrines Bhagawati - the mother Goddess, one of the most popular deities in Kerala. The temple is said to have been built by Uthiyan Cheran of the Chera Dynasty Bhagawati, is the presiding deity here. The image of Bhagawati (Rajarajeswari) is of laterite; untouched by the human sculptor, this image is of irregular shape and is covered with a golden kavacham. The image has four arms. The upper right holds the discus, the left a conch. This deity is worshipped in three different forms - as Saraswati (Sri Mookambika Devi) in the morning - draped in white, as Bhadrakali at noon draped in crimson, and as Durga in the evening decked in blue. An interesting feature of the image is that it is mounted on sand instead of being fixed on the ground.The Temple is famous for healing mental disorders and evil spirits, apart from fulfilling all the righteous wishes of the devotees> > > > According to legend, a notorious dacoit called Kannappan was chasing a cow to slaughter it when he found his daughter playing with the same cow at home. So he abandoned the idea of killing. Later after his daughter died, he was greatly grieved. It was then that Goddess Bhagawati appeared and said it was she who had come in the form of a cow. Kannappan found two images, in his cowshed the next day, one of the Goddess and the other of Lord Vishnu. This was the root of the shrine that came to be the Chottanikkara Temple. > > > > The annual festival here is celebrated during the month of Kumbha, February to March. The "Makam" star is one of the most auspicious days during the period of the annual festival. Devotees from all over the country visit the temple on that day The Devi appeared before Vilwamangalam Swamiyar as Sree Lakshmy in all her regal splendour along with Maha Vishnu, at the auspicious moment of Midhuna lagna, Makam Nakshathra in the month of Kumbha, That forms the basis for the most Holy Chottanikkara Makam Thozhal. This year, it is on February 21st.> > > > The ritualistic bath of "Devi" in ceremonial pond in the morning at the sacred pond at Onakkoor, far on the northern side of the Temple. After this "Devi" is accompanied by Lord Sastha on the back of the eleven caparisoned elephants march towards the"Pooraparambu" the traditional vantage point where they remain till 11 a.m. This spectacular show is every year witnessed by thousands of devotees who are enthralled by the enchanting "Panchavadyam" and "Nadaswaram" performances.> > After the mid-day, the door of Sanctum Sanctorum closes. Only to re-open at 2 PM for the "Makam Darsanam". The whole temple premises will be over crowded by devotees especially the women folk to have a look at Devi who appears in her sacred full-fledged splendour and glory decked in her sacred gold ornaments, precious jewellery and innumerable garlands. It is a resplendent vision. This is exactly the form of vision which Villwamangalam Swamiyar was believed to have had when he faced westward after the "Prathishta" (installation) of Kizhukkavu Bhagavathy, Chottanikkara Devi appears at this moment, clad in glittering clothes brilliant ornaments and fine jewellery with her four arms bearing varam, Abhayam, Shank and Chakram (Offering gift and refuge) to her ardent devotees. It is fervently believed that who gain "Darsanam" at this crucial "Mithuna Lagnam", will be blessed with the fulfilment of their long standing desires and prayers. The prayer- Amme Narayana, Devi> > Narayana Lakshmi Narayana and Bhadre Narayana will be chanted by devotees in great fervour and devotion> > > > > > > > Bhadhra Krishna Prasad> > > > > > > > Binu Nair > > > > More important than What is Behind you and what is Ahead of you is what is In you. > > Seek it. Centred in it, act and live. ----Swami Chinmayanada> > > > > > Why delete messages? Unlimited storage is just a click away.> >> > > > > > Binu Nair > > More important than What is Behind you and what is Ahead of you is what is In you. > Seek it. Centred in it, act and live. ----Swami Chinmayanada> > > Save all your chat conversations. Find them online.>

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Radhe Krishna!

 

As a person who initiated this topic for discussion, I feel delighted when there are more and more people agreeing with us in the matter of cruelty to amimals, especially the elephants, in the name of God. There were quite a few who had disagreed with us, with the argument that those responsible for the elephants and the organisers of the pooram festival have taken all these points into account while planning itself, and do take care of them by watering the ground where they stand, giving them water to drink, feed them with sufficient Ola madals etc. Bhut during the 2-3 hours of the time I watched the Pooram festival on the TV, I dsid not see any such thing happening, and as you have rightly said, there were tears flowing from the eyes of two elephants. Probably these were the two who protested by going mad.

 

Imagine these pachyderms standing in the hot April summer sun (black colour absorbs more heat!) without any cover over them, with their sensitive feet engulfed in the hot sand all daytime and the night also, for nearly 24 hours, and to add insult to injury, not given water and food in time! To add further insults, the deafening noise of the Chendakkottu! Who will not protest ? If the elephant protests, they call it " Ana verandu " and tie them with chains more securely. Even the mahouts who are supposed to take care of them dont understand!

 

The Ana Ottam is another dastardly festival. Even to see it in the TV is so dreadful, what about those who really witness it?

 

Will Guruvayoorappan give us more of His divine grace on these accounts?

 

I am not against conducting Trissur Pooram or any other festival for that matter, but I only request those who take care of them to show their affection to them and treat them well. Another Trissur Pooram is round the corner and I do not know whether somebody takes care of these.

 

Yours,

KVG.

 

 

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Dear " binu nair " ,

I found your rejoinder very interesting mainly ontwo major accounts (though my response got unduly delayed):

1. Yourmention about the lesson you have learned from your grand mother. For any society the nuances of its values andculture get deeply impressed in young minds through such grand mothers'stories. And that is exactly what thepresent generation lacks – a real loss that all the nuclear families do sufferfrom.

2. Your concern about animals, especially the cruelties the captiveelephants are being subjected to. It is generallybelieved that the Guruvayurappan's elephants are comparatively better lookedafter at Punnathur Anakotta. Please makeit a point to visit Punnathur Anakotta whenever you make the next visit toGuruvayur – after all elephants are in the form of SriGanesh. You may not find a single elephant there without shedding tears, for what so ever reasons it may be. Also please don't fail to take a look at thetusker Keerthi who had trampled his first mahout Gopalakrishnan to instantdeath after an Anayottam festival at Chettuva. For a full report click the link below:

Read full article (external link) Therubbish being trampled over there by Keerthi was once the sole bread winner ofa poor family!

From time immemorial elephants have been anintegral part of our religious festivals and other cultural events. I too used to feel enthralled at themagnificent sights of caparisoned elephants – we see and enjoy only that front view! After a visit to Punnathur Kotta a few years back the sight ofcaparisoned elephants reminds me of those thick iron chains most probably half-sunk into deep woods in their legs, mostly on all the fours!

Elephants were never a willing partner inall these practices. But in the past they were never treated this bad.

Is it not time that we seriously reconsider whether we should continue this practice,especially in the name of God?

With a humble request to all fellowdevotees as well to consider this point keeping in mind the interests ofGuruvayurappan, the creator of all.

Regards, nb nair. March 19, 2008.guruvayur , Binu nair <nairbbinu wrote:

>> OM Namo Narayana> > Dear NB Sir,> .> First, let me thank you for the appreciation for the write-up.It is my second write up in this group...and I was really happy that you liked it because my earlier experience is restricted to writing political articles only in Educational

> Journals > > Now coming to the Question you have addressed.......People have different writing styles ..I have used the word Enthral which means 'to captivate'.not as 'to charm'....It is clear from the write up the people are enthralled by Panchavadyam and Nadaswaram...

> > [thousands of devoteeswho are enthralled by the enchanting " Panchavadyam " and " Nadaswaram " performances.] " > > Don't you think Sir you will be captivated by an elephant coming across......or what about the famous Thrissur Pooram?...

> > In the Thrissur pooram, during the last day...two elephants which carry the Devis of 2 temples cry...u can see tears in their eyes....It is said that ,the 2sisters, Thiruvambadi Devi and paramekkavil Devi are crying.It is the parting time..They will be able to meet only next year.during the next pooram[said to me by my GrandMother.-.May be it is one of her versions for Kids..but it always had an impact on me] .Moreover in Kerala, there are no temple festivals with out elephants

> > I do agree with you about the inhuman treatment towards elephants due to the so called " modern commercialisation " and I myself has signed a petition against the inhuman practices towards elephants....it is really sad......I do

> understand perfectly your view....but while writing, i have to provide the information as it cater to many across the globe> > .Animals have to be treated well. Animals like elephants are abused by a few owners for monetary benefits without giving them their due care, respect or rest. The situation needs to be tackled by the Government and

> non-Governmental organisations.> Public awareness of animal rights is abysmally low in the State. Therefore, ill treatment of elephants evokes not a big protest from the public. Periodic health check-up by Government-approved veterinarians should be made compulsory for all captive elephants. Instances of physical torture should be dealt with as per the extant laws. Elephants that are physically unfit should not be forced to participate in festivals. The festival organisers and the devotees who participate in the temple festivals should take the initiative to ensure that the elephants are treated in a humane manner. The mahouts should be trained scientifically to tackle the behavioural and physiological changes in elephants. Creating awareness about animal rights among the younger generation will go a long way in preventing cruelty towards elephants.

> > Thank you once again for your interest and will be expecting this enthusiasm and comments for my future write-ups in the group......> > Sree Guruvayurappa Sharanam> Hare Guruvayurappa thwal padhe sarvawum samarppayami

> Bhadra KrishnaPrasad> > > >

> nbnair2000 nbnair2000 wrote:> HARI AUM> Thank you Binu Nair for the veryinformative and interestingwrite-up. I really enjoyed it but for themention of the haplesselephants being caparisoned and kept there for such longhours:

> " [ ... isaccompaniedby Lord Sastha on the back of the eleven> caparisoned elephants marchtowardsthe " Pooraparambu " the traditional vantage point where theyremain till 11 a.m.This spectacular show is every year witnessed by Yes, Panch Vadyam and Nadaswaram are enchanting toushumans. But is it not simply in-human that we subject these magnificentbuthapless elephants, known to be fond of calm, cool environments tosuch noiseand din for such long hours?!

> Can you really get enthralledby this sight if you take alook at the iron chains wound deep into the woundson the legs of thesecreatures. If you care to think of the countlessitems of cruelty thatwe subject these elephants to for their entire life - illfed, tightlychained, especially during their periods of MUSTH, the lifelongstrict CELIBACY that we impose on all these male ( we use onlytuskers forthese festivals) elephants - then how can you be reallyenthralled?

> All these too in the name ofGOD, the creator! Do you really believe that Chottanikara Devi - theMother GODESS will be pleased to see these sons of hers being treated by us inthis condition? > LOKA SAMASTA SUKHINO BHAVANTU.

> With due regards to all and nooffense to any > Yours affectionately,> NB Nair> PS. My first attempt to reply did not come, perhaps due to some error from my side and hence I am repeating it now pl. nbn.

> > > guruvayur , Binu nair nairbbinu@ wrote:> >> > Chottanikkara Makam

> > > > > > Chottanikkara enshrines Bhagawati - the mother Goddess, one of the most popular deities in Kerala. The temple is said to have been built by Uthiyan Cheran of the Chera Dynasty Bhagawati, is the presiding deity here. The image of Bhagawati (Rajarajeswari) is of laterite; untouched by the human sculptor, this image is of irregular shape and is covered with a golden kavacham. The image has four arms. The upper right holds the discus, the left a conch. This deity is worshipped in three different forms - as Saraswati (Sri Mookambika Devi) in the morning - draped in white, as Bhadrakali at noon draped in crimson, and as Durga in the evening decked in blue. An interesting feature of the image is that it is mounted on sand instead of being fixed on the ground.The Temple is famous for healing mental disorders and evil spirits, apart from fulfilling all the righteous wishes of the devotees

> > > > According to legend, a notorious dacoit called Kannappan was chasing a cow to slaughter it when he found his daughter playing with the same cow at home. So he abandoned the idea of killing. Later after his daughter died, he was greatly grieved. It was then that Goddess Bhagawati appeared and said it was she who had come in the form of a cow. Kannappan found two images, in his cowshed the next day, one of the Goddess and the other of Lord Vishnu. This was the root of the shrine that came to be the Chottanikkara Temple.

> > > > The annual festival here is celebrated during the month of Kumbha, February to March. The " Makam " star is one of the most auspicious days during the period of the annual festival. Devotees from all over the country visit the temple on that day The Devi appeared before Vilwamangalam Swamiyar as Sree Lakshmy in all her regal splendour along with Maha Vishnu, at the auspicious moment of Midhuna lagna, Makam Nakshathra in the month of Kumbha, That forms the basis for the most Holy Chottanikkara Makam Thozhal. This year, it is on February 21st.

> > > > The ritualistic bath of " Devi " in ceremonial pond in the morning at the sacred pond at Onakkoor, far on the northern side of the Temple. After this " Devi " is accompanied by Lord Sastha on the back of the eleven caparisoned elephants march towards the " Pooraparambu " the traditional vantage point where they remain till 11 a.m. This spectacular show is every year witnessed by thousands of devotees who are enthralled by the enchanting " Panchavadyam " and " Nadaswaram " performances.

> > After the mid-day, the door of Sanctum Sanctorum closes. Only to re-open at 2 PM for the " Makam Darsanam " . The whole temple premises will be over crowded by devotees especially the women folk to have a look at Devi who appears in her sacred full-fledged splendour and glory decked in her sacred gold ornaments, precious jewellery and innumerable garlands. It is a resplendent vision. This is exactly the form of vision which Villwamangalam Swamiyar was believed to have had when he faced westward after the " Prathishta " (installation) of Kizhukkavu Bhagavathy, Chottanikkara Devi appears at this moment, clad in glittering clothes brilliant ornaments and fine jewellery with her four arms bearing varam, Abhayam, Shank and Chakram (Offering gift and refuge) to her ardent devotees. It is fervently believed that who gain " Darsanam " at this crucial " Mithuna Lagnam " , will be blessed with the fulfilment of their long standing desires and prayers. The prayer- Amme Narayana, Devi

> > Narayana Lakshmi Narayana and Bhadre Narayana will be chanted by devotees in great fervour and devotion> > > > > > > > Bhadhra Krishna Prasad> > > >

> > > > Binu Nair > > > > More important than What is Behind you and what is Ahead of you is what is In you. > > Seek it. Centred in it, act and live. ----Swami Chinmayanada

> > > > > > Why delete messages? Unlimited storage is just a click away.> >> > > > > > Binu Nair >

> More important than What is Behind you and what is Ahead of you is what is In you. > Seek it. Centred in it, act and live. ----Swami Chinmayanada> > > Save all your chat conversations. Find them online.

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Dear Ones,

 

Previously, the festivals in Kerala was lesser comparing now, And

now each temple having its own festival that is good, but they all

need Elephants for the Seeveli. The greedy owners want to transport

elephants in big trucks sometimes they may have to travel 12 hours

continously as soon as they get down from Truck again Ezhunallathu.

That is the reason for all this mess. In Olden days Elephants were

taken good care, and only during nights they use to travel by walk.

And the gap between two festivals was atleast a week.

 

Do not forget Guruvayurappans favourite Elephant was Guruvayur

Kesavan and He was like a real Human being! Now almost like Kesavan

is Padmanabhan!

 

The only solution for this is avoid transporting Elephants on Trucks

give proper food,rest and shelter to them.

 

And the participation of Elephants in festivals can be controlled by

only making them attnend the main festivals like Thrissur Pooram,

Nemmara Vela, etc... not for all the small Temple festivals.

 

With out Elephants and Kudamattaam can any one think of Thrissur

Pooram. Be truthful when you answer.

 

With Love & OM!

 

Krishna Prasad

 

guruvayur , " K.V Gopalakrishna "

<gopalakrishna.kv wrote:

>

> Dear all,

> Radhe Krishna!

>

> As a person who initiated this topic for discussion, I feel

delighted when

> there are more and more people agreeing with us in the matter of

cruelty to

> amimals, especially the elephants, in the name of God. There were

quite a

> few who had disagreed with us, with the argument that those

responsible for

> the elephants and the organisers of the pooram festival have taken

all these

> points into account while planning itself, and do take care of

them by

> watering the ground where they stand, giving them water to drink,

feed them

> with sufficient Ola madals etc. Bhut during the 2-3 hours of

the time* I

> watched the Pooram festival on the TV, I dsid not see any such

thing

> happening, and as you have rightly said, there were tears flowing

from the

> eyes of two elephants. Probably these were the two who protested

by going

> mad. *

> **

> *Imagine these pachyderms standing in the hot April summer sun

(black colour

> absorbs more heat!) without any cover over them, with their

sensitive feet

> engulfed in the hot sand all daytime and the night also, for

nearly 24

> hours, and to add insult to injury, not given water and food in

time! To

> add further insults, the deafening noise of the Chendakkottu!

Who will not

> protest ? If the elephant protests, they call it " Ana verandu "

and tie

> them with chains more securely. Even the mahouts who are supposed

to take

> care of them dont understand!*

> **

> *The Ana Ottam is another dastardly festival. Even to see it in

the TV is

> so dreadful, what about those who really witness it?*

> **

> *Will Guruvayoorappan give us more of His divine grace on these

accounts?*

> **

> *I am not against conducting Trissur Pooram or any other festival

for that

> matter, but I only request those who take care of them to show

their

> affection to them and treat them well. Another Trissur Pooram is

round the

> corner and I do not know whether somebody takes care of these.*

> **

> *Yours, *

> *KVG.*

>

> **

>

>

> On 3/19/08, nbnair2000 <nbnair2000 wrote:

> >

> > *HARI AUM

> > *

> >

> > *Dear " binu nair " ,*

> >

> > *I found your rejoinder very interesting mainly ontwo major

accounts(though my response got unduly delayed):

> > *

> >

> > *1. Yourmention about the lesson you have learned from your

grand mother.

> > For any society the nuances of its values andculture get deeply

impressed

> > in young minds through such grand mothers'stories. And that is

exactly

> > what thepresent generation lacks – a real loss that all the

nuclear families

> > do sufferfrom.*

> >

> > *2. Your concern about animals, especially the cruelties the

> > captiveelephants are being subjected to. It is

generallybelieved that the

> > Guruvayurappan's elephants are comparatively better lookedafter

at Punnathur

> > Anakotta. Please makeit a point to visit Punnathur Anakotta

whenever you

> > make the next visit toGuruvayur – after all elephants are in the

form of

> > SriGanesh. You may not find a single elephant there without

shedding

> > tears, for what so ever reasons it may be. Also please don't

fail to take

> > a look at thetusker Keerthi who had trampled his first mahout

Gopalakrishnan

> > to instantdeath after an Anayottam festival at Chettuva. For a

full report

> > click the link below:

> > [image: Extern Link] Read full article (external link)

<http://www.newindpress.com/NewsItems.asp?

ID=IER20070816014302 & Page=R & Title=Kerala & Topic=0> Therubbish

> > being trampled over there by Keerthi was once the sole bread

winner ofa poor

> > family! *

> >

> > *From time immemorial elephants have been anintegral part of our

religious

> > festivals and other cultural events. I too used to feel

enthralled at

> > themagnificent sights of caparisoned elephants – we see and

enjoy only that

> > front view! After a visit to Punnathur Kotta a few years back

the sight

> > ofcaparisoned elephants reminds me of those thick iron chains

most probably

> > half-sunk into deep woods in their legs, mostly on all the

fours! *

> >

> > *Elephants were never a willing partner inall these practices.

But in the

> > past they were never treated this bad.

> > *

> >

> > *Is it not time that we seriously reconsider whether we should

continue

> > this practice,especially in the name of God? *

> >

> > *With a humble request to all fellowdevotees as well to consider

this

> > point keeping in mind the interests ofGuruvayurappan, the

creator of all.*

> >

> > *Regards, nb nair. March 19, 2008.*

> >

> > guruvayur , Binu nair <nairbbinu@> wrote:

> > >

> > > OM Namo Narayana

> > >

> > > Dear NB Sir,

> > > .

> > > First, let me thank you for the appreciation for the write-

up.It is my

> > second write up in this group...and I was really happy that you

liked it

> > because my earlier experience is restricted to writing political

articles

> > only in Educational

> > > Journals

> > >

> > > Now coming to the Question you have addressed.......People have

> > different writing styles ..I have used the word Enthral which

means 'to

> > captivate'.not as 'to charm'....It is clear from the write up

the people are

> > enthralled by Panchavadyam and Nadaswaram...

> > >

> > > [thousands of devoteeswho are enthralled by the enchanting

> > " Panchavadyam " and " Nadaswaram " performances.] "

> > >

> > > Don't you think Sir you will be captivated by an elephant

coming

> > across......or what about the famous Thrissur Pooram?...

> > >

> > > In the Thrissur pooram, during the last day...two elephants

which carry

> > the Devis of 2 temples cry...u can see tears in their eyes....It

is said

> > that ,the 2sisters, Thiruvambadi Devi and paramekkavil Devi are

crying.Itis the parting time..They will be able to meet only next

> > year.during the next pooram[said to me by my GrandMother.-.May

be it is

> > one of her versions for Kids..but it always had an impact on

me] .Moreover

> > in Kerala, there are no temple festivals with out elephants

> > >

> > > I do agree with you about the inhuman treatment towards

elephants due to

> > the so called " modern commercialisation " and I myself has signed

a petition

> > against the inhuman practices towards elephants....it is really

sad......I

> > do

> > > understand perfectly your view....but while writing, i have to

provide

> > the information as it cater to many across the globe

> > >

> > > .Animals have to be treated well. Animals like elephants are

abused by a

> > few owners for monetary benefits without giving them their due

care, respect

> > or rest. The situation needs to be tackled by the Government and

> > > non-Governmental organisations.

> > > Public awareness of animal rights is abysmally low in the

State.

> > Therefore, ill treatment of elephants evokes not a big protest

from the

> > public. Periodic health check-up by Government-approved

veterinarians should

> > be made compulsory for all captive elephants. Instances of

physical torture

> > should be dealt with as per the extant laws. Elephants that are

physically

> > unfit should not be forced to participate in festivals. The

festival

> > organisers and the devotees who participate in the temple

festivals should

> > take the initiative to ensure that the elephants are treated in

a humane

> > manner. The mahouts should be trained scientifically to tackle

the

> > behavioural and physiological changes in elephants. Creating

awareness about

> > animal rights among the younger generation will go a long way in

preventing

> > cruelty towards elephants.

> > >

> > > Thank you once again for your interest and will be expecting

this

> > enthusiasm and comments for my future write-ups in the

group......

> > >

> > > Sree Guruvayurappa Sharanam

> > > Hare Guruvayurappa thwal padhe sarvawum samarppayami

> > > Bhadra KrishnaPrasad

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > nbnair2000 nbnair2000@ wrote:

> > > HARI AUM

> > > Thank you Binu Nair for the veryinformative and

interestingwrite-up. I

> > really enjoyed it but for themention of the haplesselephants

being

> > caparisoned and kept there for such longhours:

> > > " [ ... isaccompaniedby Lord Sastha on the back of the eleven

> > > caparisoned elephants marchtowardsthe " Pooraparambu " the

traditional

> > vantage point where theyremain till 11 a.m.This spectacular show

is every

> > year witnessed by Yes, Panch Vadyam and Nadaswaram are enchanting

> > toushumans. But is it not simply in-human that we subject these

> > magnificentbuthapless elephants, known to be fond of calm, cool

environments

> > tosuch noiseand din for such long hours?!

> > > Can you really get enthralledby this sight if you take alook

at the iron

> > chains wound deep into the woundson the legs of thesecreatures.

If you care

> > to think of the countlessitems of cruelty thatwe subject these

elephants to

> > for their entire life - illfed, tightlychained, especially

during their

> > periods of MUSTH, the lifelongstrict CELIBACY that we impose on

all these

> > male ( we use onlytuskers forthese festivals) elephants - then

how can you

> > be reallyenthralled?

> > > All these too in the name ofGOD, the creator! Do you really

believe that

> > Chottanikara Devi - theMother GODESS will be pleased to see

these sons of

> > hers being treated by us inthis condition?

> > > LOKA SAMASTA SUKHINO BHAVANTU.

> > > With due regards to all and nooffense to any

> > > Yours affectionately,

> > > NB Nair

> > > PS. My first attempt to reply did not come, perhaps due to

some error

> > from my side and hence I am repeating it now pl. nbn.

> > >

> > >

> > > guruvayur , Binu nair nairbbinu@ wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Chottanikkara Makam

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Chottanikkara enshrines Bhagawati - the mother Goddess, one

of the

> > most popular deities in Kerala. The temple is said to have been

built by

> > Uthiyan Cheran of the Chera Dynasty Bhagawati, is the presiding

deity here.

> > The image of Bhagawati (Rajarajeswari) is of laterite; untouched

by the

> > human sculptor, this image is of irregular shape and is covered

with a

> > golden kavacham. The image has four arms. The upper right holds

the discus,

> > the left a conch. This deity is worshipped in three different

forms - as

> > Saraswati (Sri Mookambika Devi) in the morning - draped in

white, as

> > Bhadrakali at noon draped in crimson, and as Durga in the

evening decked in

> > blue. An interesting feature of the image is that it is mounted

on sand

> > instead of being fixed on the ground.The Temple is famous for

healing

> > mental disorders and evil spirits, apart from fulfilling all the

righteous

> > wishes of the devotees

> > > >

> > > > According to legend, a notorious dacoit called Kannappan was

chasing a

> > cow to slaughter it when he found his daughter playing with the

same cow at

> > home. So he abandoned the idea of killing. Later after his

daughter died, he

> > was greatly grieved. It was then that Goddess Bhagawati appeared

and said it

> > was she who had come in the form of a cow. Kannappan found two

images, in

> > his cowshed the next day, one of the Goddess and the other of

Lord Vishnu.

> > This was the root of the shrine that came to be the

Chottanikkara Temple.

> > > >

> > > > The annual festival here is celebrated during the month of

Kumbha,

> > February to March. The " Makam " star is one of the most

auspicious days

> > during the period of the annual festival. Devotees from all over

the country

> > visit the temple on that day The Devi appeared before

Vilwamangalam Swamiyar

> > as Sree Lakshmy in all her regal splendour along with Maha

Vishnu, at the

> > auspicious moment of Midhuna lagna, Makam Nakshathra in the

month of Kumbha,

> > That forms the basis for the most Holy Chottanikkara Makam

Thozhal. This

> > year, it is on February 21st.

> > > >

> > > > The ritualistic bath of " Devi " in ceremonial pond in the

morning at

> > the sacred pond at Onakkoor, far on the northern side of the

Temple. After

> > this " Devi " is accompanied by Lord Sastha on the back of the

eleven

> > caparisoned elephants march towards the " Pooraparambu " the

traditional

> > vantage point where they remain till 11 a.m. This spectacular

show is

> > every year witnessed by thousands of devotees who are enthralled

by the

> > enchanting " Panchavadyam " and " Nadaswaram " performances.

> > > > After the mid-day, the door of Sanctum Sanctorum closes.

Only to

> > re-open at 2 PM for the " Makam Darsanam " . The whole temple

premises will be

> > over crowded by devotees especially the women folk to have a

look at Devi

> > who appears in her sacred full-fledged splendour and glory

decked in her

> > sacred gold ornaments, precious jewellery and innumerable

garlands. It is a

> > resplendent vision. This is exactly the form of vision which

Villwamangalam

> > Swamiyar was believed to have had when he faced westward after

the

> > " Prathishta " (installation) of Kizhukkavu Bhagavathy,

Chottanikkara Devi

> > appears at this moment, clad in glittering clothes brilliant

ornaments and

> > fine jewellery with her four arms bearing varam, Abhayam, Shank

and Chakram

> > (Offering gift and refuge) to her ardent devotees. It is

fervently believed

> > that who gain " Darsanam " at this crucial " Mithuna Lagnam " , will

be blessed

> > with the fulfilment of their long standing desires and prayers.

The prayer-

> > Amme Narayana, Devi

> > > > Narayana Lakshmi Narayana and Bhadre Narayana will be

chanted by

> > devotees in great fervour and devotion

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Bhadhra Krishna Prasad

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Binu Nair

> > > >

> > > > More important than What is Behind you and what is Ahead of

you is

> > what is In you.

> > > > Seek it. Centred in it, act and live. ----Swami Chinmayanada

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Why delete messages? Unlimited storage is just a click away.

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Binu Nair

> > >

> > > More important than What is Behind you and what is Ahead of

you is what

> > is In you.

> > > Seek it. Centred in it, act and live. ----Swami Chinmayanada

> > >

> > >

> > > Save all your chat conversations. Find them online.

> > >

> >

> >

> >

>

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