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HARI AUM

 

As a group chatting in the name of 'krishna' shall

definitely look at being EFFECTIVE in their

endeavours. Discussing, expressing etc on worthy

matters are always always a healthy movement. But let

us, as Veenaji mentioned, do take a step further.

Otherwise all the efforts will fall short of 'his'

expectations who even made that powerful power point

presentation to Arjuna , that too just before the war

and midst of a battlefield, urging him to get to

ACTION.

 

Regards

 

Balagopal

 

 

--- " Veena A. Nair " <veeus18 wrote:

 

> Sri Rama Jayam, Vinodji.

> Nice to see your post after some gap.

>

> Although I agree that the group should focus on

> spiritual matters, I do not think that starting a

> sub-group is a solution. We already have sub-groups

> for bhajan, arogya, sanskrit classes. I feel that as

> long as the discussions on religious topics are held

> in an agreeable manner without indulging in name

> calling or showing disrespect to other members, we

> can live with it!

>

> As a short term plan and to give people a sense of

> having taken some action, we could as a group put

> together a petition citing the greivances and send

> it to the Devaswom board. We did this when the

> 'Udayasthamana pooja' issue came up. We could do it

> again. If Sunilji agrees, maybe one of the members

> could take a lead and start by putting down on paper

> all the relevant points. The document would

> basically address the wrong/absurd policies that the

> minister and hence the Devaswom are propagating and

> the likely fall out of it. And include some

> constructive suggestions.

>

> More crucially, I think the points raised by a

> couple of members about the lack of Hindu unity is

> worth pondering. Muslims and Christians have a few

> fundamental beliefs which binds them very strongly.

> And they take a lot of pride in practicing their

> beliefs. All very true. But one basic concept about

> Hinduism our leaders fail to publicize is this --

> Put aside all the devas and devis and all the

> rituals? what do you have? Hinduism in its purest

> form advocates One Supreme Power-- call it by so

> many names, see it in so many forms - the paths to

> it are various, the destination is the same; whether

> one is an advaitin or a dwaitin one has to believe

> in the eternal principle of brotherhood of man under

> the fatherhood of this one great force. In addition,

> if you are an Advaitin you will believe firmly that

> the only dharmic and one desirable goal in life is

> for man to merge with God. Now why is it that so

> many people have problems accepting this fact and

> prefer to think that my Rama

> is better than your Krishna or somebody else's God?

> I think it all boils down to the kind of education

> we give our kids and the kind of upbringing people

> have. Why is it that most convent schools have

> weekly moral science or catechism class and nobody

> to date thinks we should have a weekly Bhagavdgita

> class? Why is learning the slokas from the Gita only

> limited to some Gandhian style or so-called

> religious Hindu schools and not an order by law that

> requires every school in the state to atleast offer

> that option? I think these are fundamental issues

> that need to be addressed; as long as India

> continues to have its current style of democracy,

> and we don't have any control over who eventually

> rules us, problems are bound to happen and escalate.

> At least in some ways people like Sudhakaran are

> forthright in their views and you cannot be

> surprised by them. I think India needs to fear its

> religious leaders more who convince the average

> Hindu that his greatest problem could be

> the Muslim in the neighborhood whose lineage is to

> blame for every problem Hindus have and not the

> saffron flag wielding Hindu guy next door whose only

> service to Hinduism is very likely just wearing the

> saffron color. Like Vivekananda said, see a poor

> person, don't think giving him charity is your

> dharma - teach him a skill to earn his bread and he

> will not beg any more. You will have rescued him for

> life. Along the same lines one can say: if you have

> a child - let the Gita go through him/her atleast

> once; you will have done Hinduism a favor. I think,

> this much, every one of us can do.

>

> Om Namo Narayanaya.

> Veena.

>

> " PS, Vinod K (GE Infra, Energy) " <vinod.ps

> wrote:

> !! Sri Rama Jayam !!

>

> Dear Devotees,

>

> As stated by Shri Saseedharan & Shri Gopi, I repeat

> that the group in place is focussed only for

> Bhakti/spirituality related topics. The topic

> raised here has more of a religious flavour than

> spirituality. Yes, it is quite IMP to discuss such

> things as well.

>

> These kind of discussions have occurred on numerous

> occasion & most of them were left open with no

> outcome at the end. That is not what we want.

Om Namo Narayanaya.

> Group website: http://www.guruvayoor.com/

> Monthly magazine: www.guruvayoor.com/navaneetham

>

>

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Hari OM!

 

Dear Narayanas in Masks!

 

This is a fundamental problem of India's Democratic policy any

Citizen immaterial of whether he is educated or not, criminal or

not.. can become Ministers, Prime Ministers etc etc...

 

To become a District collecter one has to burn his or her mid night

oil with lot of hard work, and also the same for any other Civil,

Government positions, but to become a minister it is very easy. if

you are in Political party and done some gundaism, crime that is

enough.

 

So we need to have a strong change in policies of Indian

Constitution. People who want to become leaders of the Nation should

have necessary training, like T.N. Sheshan's school in Pune. And

like IAS officers the people who studied at that particular

institution only should become leaders.

 

Otherwise the story continues.. for ever.. all the Gundas will rule

the country and educated will go out of the country searching for

greener pastures.

 

No petitions, Nivedanam, protest, harthal, bandh.. etc will Help.

 

Temple money should be spend only for the Hindu Temples no % for the

governemnt, or tax etc...

 

Hare Guruvayurappa!

 

With Love & OM!

 

Krishna Prasad

 

 

guruvayur , balagopal ramakrishnan

<rbalpal wrote:

>

> HARI AUM

>

> As a group chatting in the name of 'krishna' shall

> definitely look at being EFFECTIVE in their

> endeavours. Discussing, expressing etc on worthy

> matters are always always a healthy movement. But let

> us, as Veenaji mentioned, do take a step further.

> Otherwise all the efforts will fall short of 'his'

> expectations who even made that powerful power point

> presentation to Arjuna , that too just before the war

> and midst of a battlefield, urging him to get to

> ACTION.

>

> Regards

>

> Balagopal

>

>

> --- " Veena A. Nair " <veeus18 wrote:

>

> > Sri Rama Jayam, Vinodji.

> > Nice to see your post after some gap.

> >

> > Although I agree that the group should focus on

> > spiritual matters, I do not think that starting a

> > sub-group is a solution. We already have sub-groups

> > for bhajan, arogya, sanskrit classes. I feel that as

> > long as the discussions on religious topics are held

> > in an agreeable manner without indulging in name

> > calling or showing disrespect to other members, we

> > can live with it!

> >

> > As a short term plan and to give people a sense of

> > having taken some action, we could as a group put

> > together a petition citing the greivances and send

> > it to the Devaswom board. We did this when the

> > 'Udayasthamana pooja' issue came up. We could do it

> > again. If Sunilji agrees, maybe one of the members

> > could take a lead and start by putting down on paper

> > all the relevant points. The document would

> > basically address the wrong/absurd policies that the

> > minister and hence the Devaswom are propagating and

> > the likely fall out of it. And include some

> > constructive suggestions.

> >

> > More crucially, I think the points raised by a

> > couple of members about the lack of Hindu unity is

> > worth pondering. Muslims and Christians have a few

> > fundamental beliefs which binds them very strongly.

> > And they take a lot of pride in practicing their

> > beliefs. All very true. But one basic concept about

> > Hinduism our leaders fail to publicize is this --

> > Put aside all the devas and devis and all the

> > rituals? what do you have? Hinduism in its purest

> > form advocates One Supreme Power-- call it by so

> > many names, see it in so many forms - the paths to

> > it are various, the destination is the same; whether

> > one is an advaitin or a dwaitin one has to believe

> > in the eternal principle of brotherhood of man under

> > the fatherhood of this one great force. In addition,

> > if you are an Advaitin you will believe firmly that

> > the only dharmic and one desirable goal in life is

> > for man to merge with God. Now why is it that so

> > many people have problems accepting this fact and

> > prefer to think that my Rama

> > is better than your Krishna or somebody else's God?

> > I think it all boils down to the kind of education

> > we give our kids and the kind of upbringing people

> > have. Why is it that most convent schools have

> > weekly moral science or catechism class and nobody

> > to date thinks we should have a weekly Bhagavdgita

> > class? Why is learning the slokas from the Gita only

> > limited to some Gandhian style or so-called

> > religious Hindu schools and not an order by law that

> > requires every school in the state to atleast offer

> > that option? I think these are fundamental issues

> > that need to be addressed; as long as India

> > continues to have its current style of democracy,

> > and we don't have any control over who eventually

> > rules us, problems are bound to happen and escalate.

> > At least in some ways people like Sudhakaran are

> > forthright in their views and you cannot be

> > surprised by them. I think India needs to fear its

> > religious leaders more who convince the average

> > Hindu that his greatest problem could be

> > the Muslim in the neighborhood whose lineage is to

> > blame for every problem Hindus have and not the

> > saffron flag wielding Hindu guy next door whose only

> > service to Hinduism is very likely just wearing the

> > saffron color. Like Vivekananda said, see a poor

> > person, don't think giving him charity is your

> > dharma - teach him a skill to earn his bread and he

> > will not beg any more. You will have rescued him for

> > life. Along the same lines one can say: if you have

> > a child - let the Gita go through him/her atleast

> > once; you will have done Hinduism a favor. I think,

> > this much, every one of us can do.

> >

> > Om Namo Narayanaya.

> > Veena.

> >

> > " PS, Vinod K (GE Infra, Energy) " <vinod.ps

> > wrote:

> > !! Sri Rama Jayam !!

> >

> > Dear Devotees,

> >

> > As stated by Shri Saseedharan & Shri Gopi, I repeat

> > that the group in place is focussed only for

> > Bhakti/spirituality related topics. The topic

> > raised here has more of a religious flavour than

> > spirituality. Yes, it is quite IMP to discuss such

> > things as well.

> >

> > These kind of discussions have occurred on numerous

> > occasion & most of them were left open with no

> > outcome at the end. That is not what we want.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Om Namo Narayanaya.

> > Group website: http://www.guruvayoor.com/

> > Monthly magazine: www.guruvayoor.com/navaneetham

> >

> >

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> > fast with Search.

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Jai Shree Krishna .

Extremely valid and good observation.

Any Tom, d\Dick and Harry should not hold power to control authority

of Collectors and Judges and other intellectuals.

Only individuals of proven good charactor shoud be elected and

allowed to hold higher offices such as MLA, MP, MINISTER AND SUCH.

Their background should be screened before accepting nomination

papers.

 

Narayanaya.

guruvayur , adidaiveekam <no_reply wrote:

>

> Hari OM!

>

> Dear Narayanas in Masks!

>

> This is a fundamental problem of India's Democratic policy any

> Citizen immaterial of whether he is educated or not, criminal or

> not.. can become Ministers, Prime Ministers etc etc...

>

> To become a District collecter one has to burn his or her mid night

> oil with lot of hard work, and also the same for any other Civil,

> Government positions, but to become a minister it is very easy. if

> you are in Political party and done some gundaism, crime that is

> enough.

>

> So we need to have a strong change in policies of Indian

> Constitution. People who want to become leaders of the Nation

should

> have necessary training, like T.N. Sheshan's school in Pune. And

> like IAS officers the people who studied at that particular

> institution only should become leaders.

>

> Otherwise the story continues.. for ever.. all the Gundas will rule

> the country and educated will go out of the country searching for

> greener pastures.

>

> No petitions, Nivedanam, protest, harthal, bandh.. etc will Help.

>

> Temple money should be spend only for the Hindu Temples no % for

the

> governemnt, or tax etc...

>

> Hare Guruvayurappa!

>

> With Love & OM!

>

> Krishna Prasad

>

>

> guruvayur , balagopal ramakrishnan

> <rbalpal@> wrote:

> >

> > HARI AUM

> >

> > As a group chatting in the name of 'krishna' shall

> > definitely look at being EFFECTIVE in their

> > endeavours. Discussing, expressing etc on worthy

> > matters are always always a healthy movement. But let

> > us, as Veenaji mentioned, do take a step further.

> > Otherwise all the efforts will fall short of 'his'

> > expectations who even made that powerful power point

> > presentation to Arjuna , that too just before the war

> > and midst of a battlefield, urging him to get to

> > ACTION.

> >

> > Regards

> >

> > Balagopal

> >

> >

> > --- " Veena A. Nair " <veeus18@> wrote:

> >

> > > Sri Rama Jayam, Vinodji.

> > > Nice to see your post after some gap.

> > >

> > > Although I agree that the group should focus on

> > > spiritual matters, I do not think that starting a

> > > sub-group is a solution. We already have sub-groups

> > > for bhajan, arogya, sanskrit classes. I feel that as

> > > long as the discussions on religious topics are held

> > > in an agreeable manner without indulging in name

> > > calling or showing disrespect to other members, we

> > > can live with it!

> > >

> > > As a short term plan and to give people a sense of

> > > having taken some action, we could as a group put

> > > together a petition citing the greivances and send

> > > it to the Devaswom board. We did this when the

> > > 'Udayasthamana pooja' issue came up. We could do it

> > > again. If Sunilji agrees, maybe one of the members

> > > could take a lead and start by putting down on paper

> > > all the relevant points. The document would

> > > basically address the wrong/absurd policies that the

> > > minister and hence the Devaswom are propagating and

> > > the likely fall out of it. And include some

> > > constructive suggestions.

> > >

> > > More crucially, I think the points raised by a

> > > couple of members about the lack of Hindu unity is

> > > worth pondering. Muslims and Christians have a few

> > > fundamental beliefs which binds them very strongly.

> > > And they take a lot of pride in practicing their

> > > beliefs. All very true. But one basic concept about

> > > Hinduism our leaders fail to publicize is this --

> > > Put aside all the devas and devis and all the

> > > rituals? what do you have? Hinduism in its purest

> > > form advocates One Supreme Power-- call it by so

> > > many names, see it in so many forms - the paths to

> > > it are various, the destination is the same; whether

> > > one is an advaitin or a dwaitin one has to believe

> > > in the eternal principle of brotherhood of man under

> > > the fatherhood of this one great force. In addition,

> > > if you are an Advaitin you will believe firmly that

> > > the only dharmic and one desirable goal in life is

> > > for man to merge with God. Now why is it that so

> > > many people have problems accepting this fact and

> > > prefer to think that my Rama

> > > is better than your Krishna or somebody else's God?

> > > I think it all boils down to the kind of education

> > > we give our kids and the kind of upbringing people

> > > have. Why is it that most convent schools have

> > > weekly moral science or catechism class and nobody

> > > to date thinks we should have a weekly Bhagavdgita

> > > class? Why is learning the slokas from the Gita only

> > > limited to some Gandhian style or so-called

> > > religious Hindu schools and not an order by law that

> > > requires every school in the state to atleast offer

> > > that option? I think these are fundamental issues

> > > that need to be addressed; as long as India

> > > continues to have its current style of democracy,

> > > and we don't have any control over who eventually

> > > rules us, problems are bound to happen and escalate.

> > > At least in some ways people like Sudhakaran are

> > > forthright in their views and you cannot be

> > > surprised by them. I think India needs to fear its

> > > religious leaders more who convince the average

> > > Hindu that his greatest problem could be

> > > the Muslim in the neighborhood whose lineage is to

> > > blame for every problem Hindus have and not the

> > > saffron flag wielding Hindu guy next door whose only

> > > service to Hinduism is very likely just wearing the

> > > saffron color. Like Vivekananda said, see a poor

> > > person, don't think giving him charity is your

> > > dharma - teach him a skill to earn his bread and he

> > > will not beg any more. You will have rescued him for

> > > life. Along the same lines one can say: if you have

> > > a child - let the Gita go through him/her atleast

> > > once; you will have done Hinduism a favor. I think,

> > > this much, every one of us can do.

> > >

> > > Om Namo Narayanaya.

> > > Veena.

> > >

> > > " PS, Vinod K (GE Infra, Energy) " <vinod.ps@>

> > > wrote:

> > > !! Sri Rama Jayam !!

> > >

> > > Dear Devotees,

> > >

> > > As stated by Shri Saseedharan & Shri Gopi, I repeat

> > > that the group in place is focussed only for

> > > Bhakti/spirituality related topics. The topic

> > > raised here has more of a religious flavour than

> > > spirituality. Yes, it is quite IMP to discuss such

> > > things as well.

> > >

> > > These kind of discussions have occurred on numerous

> > > occasion & most of them were left open with no

> > > outcome at the end. That is not what we want.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Om Namo Narayanaya.

> > > Group website: http://www.guruvayoor.com/

> > > Monthly magazine: www.guruvayoor.com/navaneetham

> > >

> > >

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> > > fast with Search.

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> >

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GEETHOPATHESAM

 

 

HARI-OM

=======

 

Bhagavad-gita - Second Teaching:

PHILOSOPHY & SPIRITUAL DISCIPLINE.

==================================

 

Lord Krishna:

 

Rarely someone sees it,

rarely another speaks it,

rarely anyone hears it -

even hearing it, no one really knows it.

 

The self embodied in the body

of every being is indestructible;

you have no cause to grieve

for all these creatures, Arjuna!

 

Look to your own duty;

do not tremble before it;

nothing is better for a warrior

than a battle of sacred duty.

 

The doors of heaven open

for warriors who rejoice

to have a battle like this

thrust on them by chance.

 

If you fail to wage this war

of sacred duty,

you will abandon your own duty

and fame only to gain evil.

 

People will tell of your

undying shame, Arjuna,

and for a man of honor

shame is worse than death.

 

====================

Jai Shree Krishna !

 

 

**************

guruvayur , balagopal ramakrishnan

<rbalpal wrote:

>

> HARI AUM

>

> As a group chatting in the name of 'krishna' shall

> definitely look at being EFFECTIVE in their

> endeavours. Discussing, expressing etc on worthy

> matters are always always a healthy movement. But let

> us, as Veenaji mentioned, do take a step further.

> Otherwise all the efforts will fall short of 'his'

> expectations who even made that powerful power point

> presentation to Arjuna , that too just before the war

> and midst of a battlefield, urging him to get to

> ACTION.

>

> Regards

>

> Balagopal

>

>

> --- " Veena A. Nair " <veeus18 wrote:

>

> > Sri Rama Jayam, Vinodji.

> > Nice to see your post after some gap.

> >

> > Although I agree that the group should focus on

> > spiritual matters, I do not think that starting a

> > sub-group is a solution. We already have sub-groups

> > for bhajan, arogya, sanskrit classes. I feel that as

> > long as the discussions on religious topics are held

> > in an agreeable manner without indulging in name

> > calling or showing disrespect to other members, we

> > can live with it!

> >

> > As a short term plan and to give people a sense of

> > having taken some action, we could as a group put

> > together a petition citing the greivances and send

> > it to the Devaswom board. We did this when the

> > 'Udayasthamana pooja' issue came up. We could do it

> > again. If Sunilji agrees, maybe one of the members

> > could take a lead and start by putting down on paper

> > all the relevant points. The document would

> > basically address the wrong/absurd policies that the

> > minister and hence the Devaswom are propagating and

> > the likely fall out of it. And include some

> > constructive suggestions.

> >

> > More crucially, I think the points raised by a

> > couple of members about the lack of Hindu unity is

> > worth pondering. Muslims and Christians have a few

> > fundamental beliefs which binds them very strongly.

> > And they take a lot of pride in practicing their

> > beliefs. All very true. But one basic concept about

> > Hinduism our leaders fail to publicize is this --

> > Put aside all the devas and devis and all the

> > rituals? what do you have? Hinduism in its purest

> > form advocates One Supreme Power-- call it by so

> > many names, see it in so many forms - the paths to

> > it are various, the destination is the same; whether

> > one is an advaitin or a dwaitin one has to believe

> > in the eternal principle of brotherhood of man under

> > the fatherhood of this one great force. In addition,

> > if you are an Advaitin you will believe firmly that

> > the only dharmic and one desirable goal in life is

> > for man to merge with God. Now why is it that so

> > many people have problems accepting this fact and

> > prefer to think that my Rama

> > is better than your Krishna or somebody else's God?

> > I think it all boils down to the kind of education

> > we give our kids and the kind of upbringing people

> > have. Why is it that most convent schools have

> > weekly moral science or catechism class and nobody

> > to date thinks we should have a weekly Bhagavdgita

> > class? Why is learning the slokas from the Gita only

> > limited to some Gandhian style or so-called

> > religious Hindu schools and not an order by law that

> > requires every school in the state to atleast offer

> > that option? I think these are fundamental issues

> > that need to be addressed; as long as India

> > continues to have its current style of democracy,

> > and we don't have any control over who eventually

> > rules us, problems are bound to happen and escalate.

> > At least in some ways people like Sudhakaran are

> > forthright in their views and you cannot be

> > surprised by them. I think India needs to fear its

> > religious leaders more who convince the average

> > Hindu that his greatest problem could be

> > the Muslim in the neighborhood whose lineage is to

> > blame for every problem Hindus have and not the

> > saffron flag wielding Hindu guy next door whose only

> > service to Hinduism is very likely just wearing the

> > saffron color. Like Vivekananda said, see a poor

> > person, don't think giving him charity is your

> > dharma - teach him a skill to earn his bread and he

> > will not beg any more. You will have rescued him for

> > life. Along the same lines one can say: if you have

> > a child - let the Gita go through him/her atleast

> > once; you will have done Hinduism a favor. I think,

> > this much, every one of us can do.

> >

> > Om Namo Narayanaya.

> > Veena.

> >

> > " PS, Vinod K (GE Infra, Energy) " <vinod.ps

> > wrote:

> > !! Sri Rama Jayam !!

> >

> > Dear Devotees,

> >

> > As stated by Shri Saseedharan & Shri Gopi, I repeat

> > that the group in place is focussed only for

> > Bhakti/spirituality related topics. The topic

> > raised here has more of a religious flavour than

> > spirituality. Yes, it is quite IMP to discuss such

> > things as well.

> >

> > These kind of discussions have occurred on numerous

> > occasion & most of them were left open with no

> > outcome at the end. That is not what we want.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Om Namo Narayanaya.

> > Group website: http://www.guruvayoor.com/

> > Monthly magazine: www.guruvayoor.com/navaneetham

> >

> >

> > Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them

> > fast with Search.

>

>

>

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