Sita and parrots – Lets be vegetarians. alternate email id - correction

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pls bless us on ur birth day--- On Mon, 7/7/08, NB Nair <nbnair2000 wrote:NB Nair <nbnair2000[Guruvayur] Re: Sita and parrots – Lets be vegetarians. alternate email id - correctionguruvayur Date: Monday, 7 July, 2008, 1:21 PM

 

HARI AUM

 

Kindly note a correction in my alternate email id. It is

nbnair (AT) gmail (DOT) com [nbnair(@)gmail. com].

Regards, NB Nair.

 

guruvayur@grou ps.com, "NB Nair" <nbnair2000@ ...> wrote:

>

> HARI AUM

>

>

> Sub: It was my mistake – my sincere apology to my fellow devotees.

>

> Dear Shri Vinayaraj and Shri Manoj Kunniyur

>

> The confusion/ misunderstanding created was solely due to my mistake/

> carelessness. Both of you had reasons to feel bad about it. I

should

> have been more careful while quoting your opinions. My unconditional

> apologies for, the same, to both of you. There should not be any ill

> will created between two Guruvayur Devotees (because of my

> carelessness) . I considered these discussions only as issue-based and

> not personality based: and in such a case I should not have made a

> miss-quoting!

>

> Today is my birth day, the 72nd one. If you two are convinced of my

> point and you send me emails (to nbair

> <nbair@ ... – nbnair(@)gmail. com - as I don't

> want the Guruvayur Group to be unnecessarily crowded) stating that

you

> don't have any ill will between you, I will consider those as the

> most cherished BirthDay Presents.

>

> Regards, NB Nair.

>

> guruvayur@grou ps.com, Manoj Kunniyur kunniyurmanoj@

> wrote:

> >

> > Om Namo Narayanaya

> >

> > Dear Shri Vinayaraj,

> >

> > Thank you for the msg. I was just mentioning that aÂ

statement

> attributed to my name was not from my side. Lets dont discuss about

this

> subject anymore in the group.

> >

> > Hare Guruvayurappa.

> >

> > Manoj Kunniyur.

> > --- On Sun, 7/6/08, Vinayaraj V R vinayarajvr@ wrote:

> >

> > Vinayaraj V R vinayarajvr@

> > Re: [Guruvayur] Re: Sita and parrots â€" Lets be

> vegetarians. .

> > guruvayur@grou ps.com

> > Sunday, July 6, 2008, 5:10 AM

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Dear Manoj

> >

> > It is easy to blame the circumstances and find many excuses.

> >

> > But

> >

> > "chiththam chalippathine hEthu muthirnnunilkkE

> > nechchil kulukkamillaaththav anaaNu dheeran"

> >

> > Brave are those who won't fail when there are

> > reasons for the mind to aflutter.

> >

> >

> > regards

> > Vinayaraj

> >

> >

> > --- On Sun, 7/6/08, Manoj Kunniyur <kunniyurmanoj@ > wrote:

> >

> > Manoj Kunniyur <kunniyurmanoj@ >

> > Re: [Guruvayur] Re: Sita and parrots â€" Lets be

> vegetarians. .

> > guruvayur@grou ps.com

> > Sunday, July 6, 2008, 12:27 AM

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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> >

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> >

> >

> > Om Namo Narayanaya

> > Â

> > Â Â Â Â Dear Shri Nairji,

> > Â

> > Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Thank you for the

> message. I would like to point you out that the satement you quoted in

> your message as mine was not right ("all who believe in Lord Krishna

> should be pure vegetarians irrespective of their caste or creed") . If

i

> am right it was Shri Vinayaraj´s. Let me humbly disagree with

> you that the travellers can be found it difficult to be vegetarians.

> > Â

> > Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â

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> Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Respectfully

> > Â

> > Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â

Â

> Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â

> Â Â Â Â Â Manoj Kunniyur.

> > Â

> > Â

> > Â

> >

> >

> > --- On Fri, 7/4/08, NB Nair nbnair2000 > wrote:

> >

> > NB Nair nbnair2000 >

> > [Guruvayur] Re: Sita and parrots â€" Lets be

> vegetarians.

> > guruvayur@grou ps.com

> > Friday, July 4, 2008, 8:54 AM

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > HARI AUM

> > Sub: Sita and parrots â€" Vegetarianism

> > It is heartening to note that Smt Savitri Puram's inspirational

story,

> "Sita and Parrots" is leading our esteemed Guruvayur Group family to

do

> a lot of introspection on the various aspects True Devotion to

> Kannan! It is all His Blessings to the Group!

> > Out of the various topics of discussion under this, let me present a

> few humble points on vegetarianism. I am personally convinced

that

> vegetarianism is good on many accounts. I was born and brought up

> in a non-vegetarian family and lived up to about 50 years as such.

Then

> over a period of a couple of years I slowly changed over to be a pure

> vegetarian, for no apparent external reasons. And now for the

past

> two decades I am a pure veg and very enthusiastic in propagating

> vegetarianism, as I am personally convinced of its merits. Â

> > I used to notice Shri Udayabhanu Panickar's inspiring message on

> vegetarianism under his signature in his posts. Also, I do fully

> agree with the views put forward by M/S Jayasree Menon, Shri Dasan,

and

> others on the topic.

> > Shri Manoj Kunniyurji, you had presented the issue with good

> appeal. I know that the poem you had quoted is not yours, or else

> as a fellow devotee, I would have earnestly requested you to add

> "Kompananakalum" in that, at least after "Puzhukkalum" , to represent

> those 60+ all male hapless elephants of Punnathur Ana Kota.

> > The sight of cattle being transported in lorries and on foot by road

> in Kerala should make any Keralite - veg or non-veg - hang his head in

> shame. Â I had traveled through the length and breadth of India and

> also lived for 35 years with in a few kilometers of a major abattoir

in

> Bombay : but never, never had seen such horrible sights! What I had

seen

> during a road journey from Palakkad to Ernakulam on a summer day, a

few

> years back still haunts me! I was told "It is how live-meat flows

> from TN to Kerala!

> > However, I find it difficult to agree with Shri Manoj's view "all

who

> believe in Lord Krishna should be pure vegetarians irrespective of

their

> caste or creed". Â In the first place how can any one prescribe a

> minimum qualification for a devotee? Also, our devotion to

> Guruvayurappan should not divide our Guruvayur Group in any way.Â

We

> can advocate vegetarianism but how could we insist on it? Let us

> leave the choice of food habits of people to themselves.

> > In fact I don't insist on my children or grand children to be strict

> vegs. Who knows if they have to travel the world over tomorrow

they

> may find it a problem. There are many pure vegs settled the world

> over. But for casual travelers the case is different. The

> plight of a pure veg nascent traveler may not be any thing better than

> that of a person used only to Indian style WCs or 'open air comfort

> stations' during such travels!

> > Moreover, until I read Shri Kamalesh's reply post â€" GoMata - ,

> I was feeling great, having had become a veg. He had shown to us

> that "killing of those cows right away will be better for them than

> postponing it (the killing) till their old age and torturing to

exploit

> them in the mean time for our milk." Then in what way we who take that

> milk are better than the non-vegs?

> > Our irshies and saints had advocated vegetarianism for

centuries.Â

> No one can change the world over night. We should also say our

> frank opinion - I believe that is our Niyuktha Karma. Do it

> sincerely and boldly, but don't insist on the results - its bhala.

Â

> It may take its own time for the changes. We need not feel angry

or

> frustrated on that account. Also, we should not stop our

campaign:

> we should keep on talking as and when required. That is again, my

> understanding of Gita II-47..

> > With Regards to all my fellow devotees,

> > Yours Sincerely, NB Nair.

> > Â

> > guruvayur@grou ps.com, Manoj Kunniyur <kunniyurmanoj@

.....>

> wrote:

> > >

> > > Om Namo Narayanaya

> > >

> > > Respected Guruvayur family members,

> > >

> > > As Savitriji and Panickerji say , let we all Guruvayurappa

devotees

> be vegetarians. Proud to say that i became vegetarian after my

> membership in our group. I stopped having non veg food to show my

> grattitude to Bhagavan for His kind blessings.

> > >

> > > When i decided to be vegetarian everybody told me to think twice

as

> already i was so slim when i was at home last time. They concerned

that

> i may lack protins. But i had prayed Bhagavan and strongly decided to

> continue...believe it or not now my weight is inceased than earlier

and

> i feel more healthy.

> > >

> > > I think people afraid of lacking protins while being vegetarians.

It

> is not true. Having right vegetables and nuts give more protins than

non

> veg. The other reason can be the unwillingness to quit the non veg

> taste. If we have some personal experiences where Bhagavan saved us

why

> we should not sacrifies something for Bhagavan?

> > >

> > > "Lokame tharavad thanikkee chidikalum

> > > pulkalum puzhukkalum koodithan kudumbakkar"

> > >

> > >

> > > Hare Guruvayurappa! !!

> > >

> > >

> > > Manoj Kunniyur.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > --- On Fri, 6/27/08, Savitri Puram savitriopuram@ ... wrote:

> > >

> > > Savitri Puram savitriopuram@ ...

> > > Re: [Guruvayur] Namasthe- Sita and parrots

> > > guruvayur@grou ps.com

> > > Friday, June 27, 2008, 11:58 PM

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Dear and respected Gopalkrishnaji,

> > >

> > > Since it was a sukhaparyavasaayi , it was really nice to read your

> real life story. The connection is amazing. I can imagine what all of

> you would have gone through when his whereabouts were unknown.

> > >

> > > I remember a story of a Nambudiri who destroyed several snake

hills

> (pampu puttu) to cultivate something exotic. In that process, I think

> several snakes were killed. It seems his mother advised him not to

> destroy them like that. After a few months he was bitten by an

extremely

> poisonous snake and he died before he could get any help. I was about

13

> years when this happened. I still remember everybody talking about the

> curse of the snake.

> > >

> > > As small children we used to make paper boats, put small ants in

the

> boat and let it flow in the rain water flowing down the steps or

slopes.

> Whenever amma sees this she used to tell how sad the mother ant will

> feel if they were separated and something happens to either of them

and

> told us not to do that.

> > >

> > > When things happen in the same life, and if we remember what

paapam

> we did, we can try to connect. But when we get the results from past

> birth, we are unable to connect or do pariharam. Only thing karaneeyam

> or doable for us is to cause the least harm to the gross and subtle

body

> of all creatures and even to plants and inanimate things. Once poet

> Vishnunarayanan Nambudiri told" Hinduism believes in living in harmony

> with he whole creation. We do not believe that God made everything on

> earth for us to use and enjoy life. That is one reason of recommending

> to be a vegetarian. Even killing plants is not desirable. But we stick

> to the principle of doing the least harm possible for our survival.

This

> is how Hinduism is conceptually different from other religions."

> > >

> > > Regards and prayers

> > >

> > > Savitri

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 9:51 AM, K.V Gopalakrishna <gopalakrishna.

> kv (AT) gmail (DOT) . com> wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Dear all,

> > > Radhe Krishna!

> > > Beautiful story from Padma Puranam which Savitriji has told us. I

> shall tell you my personal experience.

> > >

> > > Although my father was a Sanskrit scholar and written the

commentary

> of Narayaneeyam and many other stotras, it so happened that when we

were

> living in Mavelikara, somebody brought a cage containing two parrots

and

> presented to my father, and he took it. We as children were very fond

of

> the parrots, and my father trained them to talk, etc., and they used

to

> come out of the cage and sit on his hand, etc. They were so tamed. One

> day, one of the parrots escaped and flew away and only the other

> remained in the cage.

> > >

> > > My elder sister was married at the age of twelve in 1938. My B-i-l

> was living in Burmah at that time. After the marriage, my sister was

not

> sent along with her husband as she had not attained puberty. When she

> attained puberty at the age of 14, my b-i-l came from Burmah and she

was

> sent along with him to Burmah. And they were having a happy life, with

> the other members of the family also present in Burmah.

> > >

> > > In 1942, when the Japanese occupied Burmah, all women and children

> were asked to evacuate Burmah. My sister was one who came along with

the

> others, and stayed with us. All the other members of the family were

> also allowed to go and they all came back, except my b-i-l who was

> threatened by the Burmah Corporation with whom he was working, with

> severe punishment if he attempted to go. He was stuck there in Burmah

> till 1945, facing the perils of war, and all atrocities the Japanese

> committed, somehow escaping death every day. His whereabouts were not

> known for nearly 4 years. We, especially my sister were so anxious and

> we could not do anything else other than to pray for my b-i-l's

safety.

> My father immediately released the other parrot also..

> > >

> > > By end of 1945, we got one letter from him that he was safe, and

he

> came back by beginning of 1946.

> > >

> > > My father realised that all these happened because we had kept the

> parrot in captivity. Ever since, we learned a lesson that we should

> never keep birds, animals, etc., in captivity.

> > >

> > > Regards

> > > KVG.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Savitri Puram wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > Dear all,

> > >

> > >

> > > This is a story from Padma puranam. Heroine is our little Sita

Devi

> of Mithila. She was about seven years old and was playing with her

> friends in her beautiful garden. Then two green parrots came there and

> started singing beautifully. It was not chirping of parrots, but they

> were singing Ramayana story as if somebody had taught them. They sang

> that part of the story where Rama came to Mithila and married Sita by

> breaking Siva's bow. Songs of the parrots were very clear and sweet.

> Sita fell in love with those parrots and asked where they learnt this

> song and who was this Rama and Sita. They said they learnt it from

> Valmiki Maharshi himself because they stayed in the same forest. Then

> they explained that Sita is the little girl in front of them asking

> questions and charming Prince Rama would come one day to marry her.

> > >

> > > Sita requested them to stay back so that she could listen to them

> everyday. Then the female parrot told Sita that she was pregnant and

she

> would like to go back to her own forest and would come back after she

> delivered the children. But Sita could not resist the temptation of

> owning her and enjoying her sweet music and did not allow her to go.

> Female parrot was captured and was put in a beautiful cage. Sita told

> the female parrot: " I shall release you when that charming Rama you

> described come and marry me".

> > >

> > > Male parrot also begged Sita to free his wife, but Sita told him

to

> come back later. This parrot who was pregnant was very sad to be

> separated from her beloved husband. She refused to eat and cried and

> cursed Sita, "Since you separated me from my beloved husband during

> pregnancy, you also will have to experience the same fate" .

> > >

> > > Having spoken thus the miserable female parrot uttered Rama naamam

> and died.. Seeing this the male parrot was extremely sad and

distressed

> and fell in to the Ganga and drowned himself. His last words were :

"You

> killed my beautiful pregnant wife by separating her from me. I will

take

> janma in Ayodhya and will cause your separation from your husband

during

> your pregnancy"..

> > >

> > > Later Rama married Sita. Ravana kidnapped her and Rama defeated

> Ravana and brought her back to Ayodhya. This male parrot was born as

> Krodhan, the washerman in Ayodhya and because of his harsh words Sita

> was exiled to the forest. Sita was pregnant at that time and she had

to

> face separation from her husband living alone in the forest. Padma

> purana says that everybody has to experience the results of each and

> every karma we do. Either the results will be experienced in the same

> janma or in the subsequent janmaas.

> > >

> > > Rama and Sita being Purusha and Prakrithi, acted as if they were

> going through the suffering to show us that karmaphalam will always

> follow karmam. This story tells us to be considerate to other fellow

> creatures' feelings and pain.

> > >

> > > According to Njaanaananda Saraswathi Sukritham and Dushkritham are

> like bouncing balls. If we throw the ball of sukrutham, only the ball

of

> sukrutham will bounce back. If we throw ball of Dushkrutham, only ball

> of dushkrutham will bounce back. But what about the balls of

dushkruthum

> that we threw in the previous janmaas? We do not know how many balls

we

> played with. Scriptures say, sankeerthanam and satsangam will change

the

> direction of the ball of dushkrutham or at least lessen the force with

> which it will bounce back on us.

> > >

> > > Regards and prayers

> > >

> > > savitri

> > >

> >

>

 

 

 

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