Sita and parrots – Lets be vegetarians.

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Om Namo Narayanaya ,

 

Dear Shri Vinayaraj,

 

In no way it hurt me. Actually in my msg I meant that, i disagree with Shri Nairji when i went through his writings where he opinoned that it is difficult for travellers to be vegetarians. I am sorry if it gave opposite meaning. Also i meant let us stop , even simple arguments between we Guruvayurappa devotees but not the discussion about vegetarianism. Thank you.

 

Hare Krishna.

 

Manoj Kunniyur.

--- On Mon, 7/7/08, Vinayaraj V R <vinayarajvr wrote:

Vinayaraj V R <vinayarajvr[Guruvayur] Re: Sita and parrots – Lets be vegetarians.guruvayur Date: Monday, July 7, 2008, 4:46 PM

 

 

Dear Sri. ManojLet us not take this discussion personally. Let the subject stay. It is a one of the nicest place to discuss for the cause vegetarianism. Who would be a true vegetarian if not the vaishnavas? Instead of suppressing the subject let us enliven this.There is nothing personal here. Hope you are not hurt. I was replying to your point. That is --"Let me humbly disagree with you that the travellers can be found it difficult to be vegetarians. "regardsVinayarajguruvayur@grou ps.com, Manoj Kunniyur <kunniyurmanoj@ ...> wrote:>> Om Namo Narayanaya> > Dear Shri Vinayaraj,> > Thank you for the msg. I was just mentioning that a statement attributed to my name was not from my side. Lets dont discuss about this

subject anymore in the group.> > Hare Guruvayurappa.> > Manoj Kunniyur.> --- On Sun, 7/6/08, Vinayaraj V R <vinayarajvr@ ...> wrote:> > Vinayaraj V R <vinayarajvr@ ...>> Re: [Guruvayur] Re: Sita and parrots â€" Lets be vegetarians. .> guruvayur@grou ps.com> Sunday, July 6, 2008, 5:10 AM> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Manoj> > It is easy to blame the circumstances and find many excuses.> > But> > "chiththam chalippathine hEthu muthirnnunilkkE> nechchil kulukkamillaaththav anaaNu dheeran"> > Brave are those who won't fail when there are> reasons for the mind to aflutter.> > > regards>

Vinayaraj> > > --- On Sun, 7/6/08, Manoj Kunniyur <kunniyurmanoj@ > wrote:> > Manoj Kunniyur <kunniyurmanoj@ >> Re: [Guruvayur] Re: Sita and parrots â€" Lets be vegetarians. .> guruvayur@grou ps.com> Sunday, July 6, 2008, 12:27 AM> > > > > > > > > > > Om Namo Narayanaya>  >     Dear Shri Nairji,>  >           Thank you for the message. I would like to point you out that the satement you quoted in your message as mine was not right ("all who believe in Lord Krishna should be pure vegetarians irrespective of their caste or creed") . If i am right it was Shri Vinayaraj´s. Let me humbly disagree

with you that the travellers can be found it difficult to be vegetarians.>  >                          Respectfully>  >                                  Manoj Kunniyur.>  >  >  > > > --- On Fri, 7/4/08, NB Nair <nbnair2000> wrote:> > NB Nair <nbnair2000>> [Guruvayur] Re: Sita and parrots â€" Lets be vegetarians.> guruvayur@grou ps.com> Date:

Friday, July 4, 2008, 8:54 AM> > > > > HARI AUM> Sub: Sita and parrots â€" Vegetarianism> It is heartening to note that Smt Savitri Puram's inspirational story, "Sita and Parrots" is leading our esteemed Guruvayur Group family to do a lot of introspection on the various aspects True Devotion to Kannan! It is all His Blessings to the Group!> Out of the various topics of discussion under this, let me present a few humble points on vegetarianism. I am personally convinced that vegetarianism is good on many accounts. I was born and brought up in a non-vegetarian family and lived up to about 50 years as such. Then over a period of a couple of years I slowly changed over to be a pure vegetarian, for no apparent external reasons. And now for the past two decades I am a pure veg and very enthusiastic in propagating vegetarianism, as

I am personally convinced of its merits.  > I used to notice Shri Udayabhanu Panickar's inspiring message on vegetarianism under his signature in his posts. Also, I do fully agree with the views put forward by M/S Jayasree Menon, Shri Dasan, and others on the topic.> Shri Manoj Kunniyurji, you had presented the issue with good appeal. I know that the poem you had quoted is not yours, or else as a fellow devotee, I would have earnestly requested you to add "Kompananakalum" in that, at least after "Puzhukkalum" , to represent those 60+ all male hapless elephants of Punnathur Ana Kota.> The sight of cattle being transported in lorries and on foot by road in Kerala should make any Keralite - veg or non-veg - hang his head in shame.  I had traveled through the length and breadth of India and also lived for 35 years with in a few kilometers of a major

abattoir in Bombay : but never, never had seen such horrible sights! What I had seen during a road journey from Palakkad to Ernakulam on a summer day, a few years back still haunts me! I was told "It is how live-meat flows from TN to Kerala!> However, I find it difficult to agree with Shri Manoj's view "all who believe in Lord Krishna should be pure vegetarians irrespective of their caste or creed".  In the first place how can any one prescribe a minimum qualification for a devotee? Also, our devotion to Guruvayurappan should not divide our Guruvayur Group in any way. We can advocate vegetarianism but how could we insist on it? Let us leave the choice of food habits of people to themselves.> In fact I don't insist on my children or grand children to be strict vegs. Who knows if they have to travel the world over tomorrow they may find it a

problem. There are many pure vegs settled the world over. But for casual travelers the case is different. The plight of a pure veg nascent traveler may not be any thing better than that of a person used only to Indian style WCs or 'open air comfort stations' during such travels!> Moreover, until I read Shri Kamalesh's reply post â€" GoMata - , I was feeling great, having had become a veg. He had shown to us that "killing of those cows right away will be better for them than postponing it (the killing) till their old age and torturing to exploit them in the mean time for our milk." Then in what way we who take that milk are better than the non-vegs?> Our irshies and saints had advocated vegetarianism for centuries. No one can change the world over night. We should also say our frank opinion - I believe that is our Niyuktha Karma. Do it

sincerely and boldly, but don't insist on the results - its bhala.  It may take its own time for the changes. We need not feel angry or frustrated on that account. Also, we should not stop our campaign: we should keep on talking as and when required. That is again, my understanding of Gita II-47..> With Regards to all my fellow devotees,> Yours Sincerely, NB Nair.>  > guruvayur@grou ps.com, Manoj Kunniyur <kunniyurmanoj wrote:> >> > Om Namo Narayanaya> >> > Respected Guruvayur family members,> >> > As Savitriji and Panickerji say , let we all Guruvayurappa devotees be vegetarians. Proud to say that i became vegetarian after my membership in our group. I stopped having non veg food to show my grattitude to Bhagavan for His kind blessings.> >> > When i

decided to be vegetarian everybody told me to think twice as already i was so slim when i was at home last time. They concerned that i may lack protins. But i had prayed Bhagavan and strongly decided to continue....believe it or not now my weight is inceased than earlier and i feel more healthy.> >> > I think people afraid of lacking protins while being vegetarians. It is not true. Having right vegetables and nuts give more protins than non veg. The other reason can be the unwillingness to quit the non veg taste. If we have some personal experiences where Bhagavan saved us why we should not sacrifies something for Bhagavan?> >> > "Lokame tharavad thanikkee chidikalum> > pulkalum puzhukkalum koodithan kudumbakkar"> >> >> > Hare Guruvayurappa! !!> >> >> > Manoj Kunniyur.> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > --- On Fri, 6/27/08, Savitri Puram savitriopuram@ ... wrote:> >> > Savitri Puram savitriopuram@ ...> > Re: [Guruvayur] Namasthe- Sita and parrots> > guruvayur@grou ps.com> > Friday, June 27, 2008, 11:58 PM> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Dear and respected Gopalkrishnaji,> >> > Since it was a sukhaparyavasaayi , it was really nice to read your real life story. The connection is amazing. I can imagine what all of you would have gone through when his whereabouts were unknown.> >> > I remember a story of a Nambudiri who destroyed several snake hills (pampu puttu) to cultivate something exotic. In that process, I think several snakes were killed. It seems his

mother advised him not to destroy them like that. After a few months he was bitten by an extremely poisonous snake and he died before he could get any help. I was about 13 years when this happened. I still remember everybody talking about the curse of the snake.> >> > As small children we used to make paper boats, put small ants in the boat and let it flow in the rain water flowing down the steps or slopes. Whenever amma sees this she used to tell how sad the mother ant will feel if they were separated and something happens to either of them and told us not to do that.> >> > When things happen in the same life, and if we remember what paapam we did, we can try to connect. But when we get the results from past birth, we are unable to connect or do pariharam. Only thing karaneeyam or doable for us is to cause the least harm to the gross and subtle body of all creatures

and even to plants and inanimate things. Once poet Vishnunarayanan Nambudiri told" Hinduism believes in living in harmony with he whole creation. We do not believe that God made everything on earth for us to use and enjoy life. That is one reason of recommending to be a vegetarian. Even killing plants is not desirable. But we stick to the principle of doing the least harm possible for our survival. This is how Hinduism is conceptually different from other religions."> >> > Regards and prayers> >> > Savitri> >> >> >> >> >> > On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 9:51 AM, K.V Gopalakrishna <gopalakrishna. kv (AT) gmail (DOT) . com> wrote:> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Dear all,> > Radhe Krishna!> > Beautiful story from Padma Puranam which Savitriji has told us. I

shall tell you my personal experience.> >> > Although my father was a Sanskrit scholar and written the commentary of Narayaneeyam and many other stotras, it so happened that when we were living in Mavelikara, somebody brought a cage containing two parrots and presented to my father, and he took it. We as children were very fond of the parrots, and my father trained them to talk, etc., and they used to come out of the cage and sit on his hand, etc. They were so tamed. One day, one of the parrots escaped and flew away and only the other remained in the cage.> >> > My elder sister was married at the age of twelve in 1938. My B-i-l was living in Burmah at that time. After the marriage, my sister was not sent along with her husband as she had not attained puberty. When she attained puberty at the age of 14, my b-i-l came from Burmah and she was sent along with him to

Burmah. And they were having a happy life, with the other members of the family also present in Burmah.> >> > In 1942, when the Japanese occupied Burmah, all women and children were asked to evacuate Burmah. My sister was one who came along with the others, and stayed with us. All the other members of the family were also allowed to go and they all came back, except my b-i-l who was threatened by the Burmah Corporation with whom he was working, with severe punishment if he attempted to go. He was stuck there in Burmah till 1945, facing the perils of war, and all atrocities the Japanese committed, somehow escaping death every day. His whereabouts were not known for nearly 4 years. We, especially my sister were so anxious and we could not do anything else other than to pray for my b-i-l's safety. My father immediately released the other parrot also..> >> > By end

of 1945, we got one letter from him that he was safe, and he came back by beginning of 1946.> >> > My father realised that all these happened because we had kept the parrot in captivity. Ever since, we learned a lesson that we should never keep birds, animals, etc., in captivity.> >> > Regards> > KVG.> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Savitri Puram wrote:> >> >> > Dear all,> >> >> > This is a story from Padma puranam.. Heroine is our little Sita Devi of Mithila. She was about seven years old and was playing with her friends in her beautiful garden. Then two green parrots came there and started singing beautifully. It was not chirping of parrots, but they were singing Ramayana story as if somebody had taught them. They sang that part of the story where Rama

came to Mithila and married Sita by breaking Siva's bow. Songs of the parrots were very clear and sweet. Sita fell in love with those parrots and asked where they learnt this song and who was this Rama and Sita. They said they learnt it from Valmiki Maharshi himself because they stayed in the same forest. Then they explained that Sita is the little girl in front of them asking questions and charming Prince Rama would come one day to marry her.> >> > Sita requested them to stay back so that she could listen to them everyday. Then the female parrot told Sita that she was pregnant and she would like to go back to her own forest and would come back after she delivered the children. But Sita could not resist the temptation of owning her and enjoying her sweet music and did not allow her to go. Female parrot was captured and was put in a beautiful cage. Sita told the female parrot: " I

shall release you when that charming Rama you described come and marry me".> >> > Male parrot also begged Sita to free his wife, but Sita told him to come back later. This parrot who was pregnant was very sad to be separated from her beloved husband. She refused to eat and cried and cursed Sita, "Since you separated me from my beloved husband during pregnancy, you also will have to experience the same fate" .> >> > Having spoken thus the miserable female parrot uttered Rama naamam and died.. Seeing this the male parrot was extremely sad and distressed and fell in to the Ganga and drowned himself. His last words were : "You killed my beautiful pregnant wife by separating her from me. I will take janma in Ayodhya and will cause your separation from your husband during your pregnancy"..> >> > Later Rama married Sita. Ravana kidnapped her and Rama defeated

Ravana and brought her back to Ayodhya. This male parrot was born as Krodhan, the washerman in Ayodhya and because of his harsh words Sita was exiled to the forest. Sita was pregnant at that time and she had to face separation from her husband living alone in the forest. Padma purana says that everybody has to experience the results of each and every karma we do. Either the results will be experienced in the same janma or in the subsequent janmaas.> >> > Rama and Sita being Purusha and Prakrithi, acted as if they were going through the suffering to show us that karmaphalam will always follow karmam. This story tells us to be considerate to other fellow creatures' feelings and pain..> >> > According to Njaanaananda Saraswathi Sukritham and Dushkritham are like bouncing balls. If we throw the ball of sukrutham, only the ball of sukrutham will bounce back. If we throw

ball of Dushkrutham, only ball of dushkrutham will bounce back. But what about the balls of dushkruthum that we threw in the previous janmaas? We do not know how many balls we played with. Scriptures say, sankeerthanam and satsangam will change the direction of the ball of dushkrutham or at least lessen the force with which it will bounce back on us.> >> > Regards and prayers> >> > savitri> >>