Vegetarian Vs. Sattvic Food - Food for thought

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HARI AUMNow it is well established that there is too much cruelty involved in the production of some of the so-called vegetarian food items.We all devotees of SriGuruvayurappan have to take these lines from Shri Kamlesh very seriously and also spread the message: "4. Hencelet all of us devotees of Lord Guruvayoorappan shun milk products, eggsand other tamasic food which cause untold sufferings and miserabledeath for countless innocent animals. Especially the pain of youngcalves is heart rendering and needs to be stopped; we can especiallyhelp if we limit/eliminate the consumption of such cruel products.".Regards to all,NB Nair.guruvayur , Veryytterium <veryytterium wrote:>> namo narayana>  > Respected Savithriji,>  > It is very true moksham can be attained only by freeing ourselves from the karmic cycles and hence vegetarianism is imperative for any true spiritual advancement leading to moksham.>  > However I want to bring put an important point that, just plain vegetarianism is not going to be sufficient, the vegetarian food must be sattvic in nature and that it MUST be offered to Lord Krishna before eating it, there are several reasons for this>  > 1.      The food eaten (even if it vegetarian) must be obtained with minimum suffering to other living beings, furthermore it should promote well being of the body, mind and soul, and such a food is considered to be Sattvic in nature as said by Sri Krishna in Gita.>  > 2.      Even then such sattvic food needs to be offered to Sri Krishna before hand and then accepted as His prasadam and eaten as food for sustenance. Such sattvic prasadam does not cause any karmic repercussions in the consumer, but actually elevates the mind, calms and purifies the person making him amenable to bhakti and dhyana and thus helping achieve the ultimate goal of moksha. Sri Kirshna Himself says this in Gita, that those who eat food only for themselves eat only sin, whereas those who offer their food first in yagna (Sri Krishna) are freed from the Karmic reactions.>  > 3.      Completely vegetarian food eaten for the sole purpose of sense gratification called as “Pleasure foodsâ€, sometimes obtained from great cruelty to animals such as factory produced milk products even though considered to be "vegetarian" are not Sattvic but very tamasic in nature and result is that the person who consumes this food incur the burden of Karma.>      The person who consumes food obtained by exploitation just to gratify his cravings of the tongue, pays the price in this life by numerous diseases such as diabetes, high blodd pressure etc. and in the next life, the same animals which he exploited will give the same pain to him. >  > 4.      Hence let all of us devotees of Lord Guruvayoorappan shun milk products, eggs and other tamasic food which cause untold sufferings and miserable death for countless innocent animals. Especially the pain of young calves is heart rendering and needs to be stopped; we can especially help if we limit/eliminate the consumption of such cruel products.>  > Let is truly worship our cows by refusing to exploit her for milk, leather and meat and thereby not get entangled in karmic repurcussions.>  > Out of the eight “flowers†which pleases Lord Vishnu, the second is “Indriya Nigraha†or “control of our sensesâ€, if we can control our tongue for addictions for “pleasure foodsâ€, we will save the needless sufferings of so many innocent animals and truly please our Lord.>  > Sincerely,>  > Kamlesh>  > > --- On Wed, 9/2/09, Savitri Puram savitriopuram wrote:> > > Savitri Puram savitriopuram Re: [Guruvayur] Ethum ente keralamo ennu samshyam thonnunnu> guruvayur > Wednesday, September 2, 2009, 8:58 AM> > >  > > > > > Dear Panickerji and all Gurudevs,>  > I happened to read the following article about Vegetarianism. I want to share this with all. There are some insignificant spelling mistakes and confusing sentences. But idea is expressed clearly.>  > Regards and prayers>  > Savitri>  >  > > Info: Does Hinduism require one to be a vegetarian?> Wed, 30 Nov 1994 08:09:43 -0500> K. Sadananda sadananda (AT) anvil (DOT) nrl.navy. mil>> Sub: Does Hinduism require one to be a vegetarian> Recently two questions were asked - Does Hinduism require one to believe> in God? Does Hinduism require one to be a vegetarian? In a recent article,> I have addressed the first question. Here I will provides some thoughts> for the second question. > In relation to the first question, I have discussed what Hinduism stands> for and who is truly a Hindu. In essence, Hinduism is Sanatana Dharma,> and that Dharma is from time immemorial - it involves pursuit for Moksha. > Therefore the one who is seeking for Moksha is a true Hindu, irrespective> of the nationality, caste, creed or gender. With that catholic> understanding, one can see that Hinduism becomes a way of life because the> pursuit of the essential purpose of life is the goal of the Hindu life. > With that perspective, it is easier to analyze all other questions> including whether Hinduism requires one to be a vegetarian. Since the> purpose of life is securing liberation or Moksha, until we reach that we> need to live. Only death is the death of the ego that happens in the> spiritual awakening. Hence, keeping the body alive by nourishment is the> our Dharma. That means one has to eat to live (not the other way - living> for eating sake!)> Life lives on life. That is the law of nature. Whether I eat an animal or> plant I am destroying a life. Among all life forms Man is different from> the rest of the life kingdom. He has the capability to discriminate the> right from wrong. That also gives him the freedom of choice. Plants have> just body and perhaps a rudimentary mind. Animals have both body and mind> to express feelings and suffering, but rudimentary intellect. Man has not> only body, mind but also well developed intellect to discriminate, decide> and to choose. He always has three choices - Karthum sakhyam, akartum> sakhyam and anyathA karthum sakhyam - he can choose to do, not to do and> do it other way. For animals and plants there is no freedom of choice. > They are instinctively driven. Cow does not sit down before meals, and> inquire whether it should be a vegetarian or non-vegetarian. So is a> tiger. For a Man the discriminative intellect is very evolved. Plants and> animals do not commit sin in their actions because there is no will> involved in their actions. For a human, the story is different. You may> wonder why I brought sin in the argument. Let me explain. > Sin is nothing but agitations in the mind. It is these agitations that> prevent me in my journey to Moksha. Mind has to be pure (meaning> un-agitated) for me to see the truth as the truth. (Bible also says> Blessed are those whose minds are pure). To define sin more> scientifically - it is the divergence between the mind and intellect.> Intellect knows right from wrong - but we feel like doing things even> though we know they are wrong - that is, the intellect says something, but> mind which should be subservient to intellect rebels and does whatever it> feels like. This divergence is sin. After the action is performed -> there is a guilt feeling, because intellect, although was overruled, does> not keep quiet, it keeps prodding " I told you it is wrong. Why did you do> it?" With peace of mind gone Man goes through a "Hell". Man is not> punished for the sin, he is punished by the sin! - Think about it. > All yogas, if you analyze clearly, are bringing this integration between> the body, mind and intellect. For a Yogi - What he thinks, what he speaks> and what he does are in perfect harmony or alignment (Manasaa vAcha> karmana). In our case, we think something but have no guts to say what we> think, our lips says something different from what are thinking - if you> watch the lips and the actions that follow, they are again different! -> There is no integration any where. We live a chaotic life. Besides> deceiving others, most pathetic is we deceive ourselves, and the worst> thing is we don't even realize that. > Now, when a tiger kills and eats, it does not commit a sin. Because its> intellect is rudimentary, and it does not go through any analysis before> it kills - should I kill or not to kill - Should I be a non-vegetarian or> should I be vegetarian?". When it is hungry, to fill the natures demand,> it kills it pray and eats what it nees and leaves the rest when it is> full. It is not greedy either. That is its Swadharma. It follows a> beautiful ecological system. > It is only man who destroys the ecology by being greedy. "Should I be a> vegetarian or non-vegetarian?" is asked only by a man. Why that question> comes? Because man has discriminative intellect, and he does not want to> hurt others to fill his belly. He learns what `hurt' means because he> surely does not want others to hurt him. Plants are life forms too, should> one hurt them?. You may ask. If one can live without hurting any life> forms that is the best, but that is not possible. Life lives on life -> that is the law of nature. My role as a human being with discriminative> intellect is to do the least damage to the nature for keeping myself> alive. At least, I am not consciously aware of suffering of the plants. > That is why eating to live and not living to eat is the determining> factor. > In Bhagawad Geeta, Krishna emphatically says that a Sadhaka (one who is in> pursuit of Moksha) should have a compassion for all forms of life - Sarva> Bhuta HitErathAha. In the spiritual growth, one develops subtler and> subtler intellect (Sukshma Bhuddhi in contrast to TeeKshna Buddhi, i.e.> sharper intellect). That is, the mind is becoming quieter, calmer and> self-contended. Your sensitivity to suffering of others also grows. Hence> it is advisable to be a vegetarian. > Even the traditional non-vegetarians repel against eating dogs and cats or> other human beings! Why? Meat is a meat after all! But with familiarity> grows a compassion. > There are many two legged animals in human form with rudimentary> intellect. They behave like animals. But in the evolutionary ladder one> develops subtler and subtler intellect, then it is advisable to be a> vegetarian - only taking from nature what it needs to keep the body going. > One should not hurt any life forms to satisfy the craving of ones tongue. > Should Hindu be a vegetarian? Since such a question already arose in your> mind, you have a degree of sensitivity not to hurt other living forms to> satisfy your belly. Then you may be better off not eating meat and you> will be at peace with yourself. Since you are sensitive to this your> intellect directing you one way and your mind wants some baser pleasures> and directing you the other way. When you go against your own intellect> you commit sin. That is against your SWADHARMA as Krishna puts it. > Besides, now, even the traditional non-vegetarians are choosing> vegetarianism not because of any compassion to other animals but they are> recognizing that it is not good for their health. > I have already mentioned that Hinduism has no doos and don'ts, but you> determine your own doos and don'ts based on your intellectual values,> culture, education and primary goal in life. You will find that following> your Swadharma makes you comfortable with yourself. It is not others to> judge, it is for you to judge. If you are agitated, that means you are> loosing peace of mind for these and that is a sin! Imagine your self that> chicken or cow that you are eating. Would you not advice the guy who is> eating you to be a vegetarian instead and spare its life. Do not say you> are not killing the animal yourself, and killing will go on whether you> eat or not. If you don't eat, one animal is spared. This is the demand> and supply. I may not be stealing my self, but if I buy the stolen> property knowing that it was stolen, it is a crime! Is it not? Now there> are imitation meats too - so why the crave for a dead meet. Why do you> want your stomach to be a burial ground for a dead animal. > >From Hinduism point, it does not really care. All it wants is for you to> pursue the path towards the Sanatanadharma. So do what is needful to keep> your mind calm and un-agitated. Purification of the mind is the means for> attaining salvation, and that is the goal of human life. Since by willful> actions we got ourselves into this mess of Samsar, it is by willful> Sadhana only we can get out of it. Lord has given us the intelligence to> accomplish this - Krishna declares - you are better off following your> swadharma than paradharma. Swadharma (is not just what caste you belong> or what religion you belong) in the final analysis it is what your> intellect or conscious dictates. Because, after the action is performed,> it is your mind that has to settle accounts with your intellect. > Do yourself a favor - eat what#you need and discard what you really donot> need it. That way your make your life simple, peaceful and healthy with> low cholesteral. Hari Om and Tat Sat. - Sadananda> It is only a fool who does not take life seriously.> It is intelligent who seriously takes life seriously.> It is wise who seriously does not take life seriously. For him the life is an> enchanting sport to be played to the best! Win or loose, it is a fun to play.> ------------ ------> Dr. K. Sadananda Voice:(202)767- 2117> Code 6323 FAX: (202)767-2623> Naval Research Laboratory E-Mail:sadananda@ anvil.nrl. navy.mil> Washington, D.C. 20375> > > On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 9:46 PM, Udayabhanu Panickar <udhayabhanupanickar @> wrote:> > >  > > > [Attachment(s) from Udayabhanu Panickar included below] > > > > > > > > > Dear Ramachadra Menon and others,> > It is not just 10 crores it is 34 this year. Please look at the attached news report. Drinking alcohol, using other intoxicating substances like drugs and most of all eating flesh is the cause of the largest killer in the world. More than that, the flesh eating creates the biggest environmental problem for the world. Our beloved Keralam and bhAratham is adopting this culture. The solution is in our purANam, Ithihasam, Vedah, and upanishads. Every one of spiritual masters has advised us not to use any of this. But still our people do this. Let us hope things will turn for the better.>  > Thanks> > > Sincerely,> > > Udayabhanu Panickar> aum namaH Shivaaya> The vow not to kill is great indeed, and greater still is non-eating of the flesh; there would be no butcher, if there is non to eat; in eating thus abides the cruder ill, as she/he is the reason for the killing.> > --- On Tue, 9/1/09, ramachandra menon <ramachandramenon@ > wrote:> > > ramachandra menon <ramachandramenon@ >> Re: [Guruvayur] Ethum ente keralamo ennu samshyam thonnunnu> guruvayur@grou ps.com> Tuesday, September 1, 2009, 2:22 AM> > >  > > > > > > > Just for the sake of statistics, let me say that the liquor sales from the Beverages Corporation( state run) during Onam season is for Rs.10 crores. Total population of Keralites is supposed to be around 3 crores. Very small percentage of women may be indulging in drinking. Children may not drink at all. Men folk who comprise about 50% of the population consume liquor worth Rs.10 crores perday. There may be long queue in front of the Beverages corp. counters today for stocking for tomorrow. Liquor is part and parcel of our life. Recently a prominent marxist leader openly declared that the households should make liquor a permanent part of daily menu. All the family members should sit together and drink. > Perhaps when you visit Kerala next you may find this scene of all the familymembers sitting together and drinking. > > --- On Mon, 31/8/09, balagopal ramakrishnan rbalpal (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote:> > > balagopal ramakrishnan rbalpal (AT) (DOT) co.in>> Re: [Guruvayur] Ethum ente keralamo ennu samshyam thonnunnu> guruvayur@grou ps.com> Monday, 31 August, 2009, 11:08 AM> > >  > > > > > > > HARI AUM>  > Dear Panickarji,>  > During every visit to Kerala one important thing I notice - people are materially more well off than any time in history. No youngster asks for any kind of employment. Money flows like water. Even small hamlets are flush with high end bakeries, jewellery shops (souks), saree emporiums, well run hospitals, hotels and restaurents and non stop TV entertainment. Consumption is the king. Let's wait for the Onam sales figure of liquors. Not a bad show for 'prabhudha keralam' ! >  > Regards>  > Balagopal>  > NARAYANA NARAYANA NARAYANA > > PS: Attended a marriage last week at Thiruvanathapuram - the hall rent ( empty hall with some platic chairs and a/c for 4 hours) was a meagre Rs95,000/-. Also was aghast to see all guests -  both groom's and bride's sides - rushing for food the second the 'thali kettu' was over. Maybe some TV serial is awaiting them !    > > > Love Cricket? Check out live scores, photos, video highlights and more. > > > > See the Web's breaking stories, chosen by people like you. Check out Buzz.>

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On uthradam day, just one day previous to Onam, the total liquor consumed in Kerala is worth Rs.34 crores. --- On Fri, 4/9/09, nbnair2000 <nbnair2000 wrote:

nbnair2000 <nbnair2000[Guruvayur] Re: Vegetarian Vs. Sattvic Food - Food for thoughtguruvayur Date: Friday, 4 September, 2009, 6:36 AM

HARI AUMNow it is well established that there is too much cruelty involved in the production of some of the so-called vegetarian food items.We all devotees of SriGuruvayurappan have to take these lines from Shri Kamlesh very seriously and also spread the message: "4. Hencelet all of us devotees of Lord Guruvayoorappan shun milk products, eggsand other tamasic food which cause untold sufferings and miserabledeath for countless innocent animals. Especially the pain of

youngcalves is heart rendering and needs to be stopped; we can especiallyhelp if we limit/eliminate the consumption of such cruel products.".Regards to all,NB Nair.guruvayur@grou ps.com, Veryytterium <veryytterium@ ...> wrote:>> namo narayana>  > Respected Savithriji,>  > It is very true moksham can be attained only by freeing ourselves from the karmic cycles and hence vegetarianism is imperative for any true spiritual advancement leading to moksham.>  > However I want to bring put an important point that, just plain vegetarianism is not going to be sufficient, the vegetarian food must be sattvic in nature and that it MUST be offered to Lord Krishna before eating it, there are several reasons for this>  > 1.      The food eaten (even if it

vegetarian) must be obtained with minimum suffering to other living beings, furthermore it should promote well being of the body, mind and soul, and such a food is considered to be Sattvic in nature as said by Sri Krishna in Gita.>  > 2.      Even then such sattvic food needs to be offered to Sri Krishna before hand and then accepted as His prasadam and eaten as food for sustenance. Such sattvic prasadam does not cause any karmic repercussions in the consumer, but actually elevates the mind, calms and purifies the person making him amenable to bhakti and dhyana and thus helping achieve the ultimate goal of moksha. Sri Kirshna Himself says this in Gita, that those who eat food only for themselves eat only sin, whereas those who offer their food first in yagna (Sri Krishna) are freed from the Karmic reactions.>  > 3.     Â

Completely vegetarian food eaten for the sole purpose of sense gratification called as “Pleasure foods�, sometimes obtained from great cruelty to animals such as factory produced milk products even though considered to be "vegetarian" are not Sattvic but very tamasic in nature and result is that the person who consumes this food incur the burden of Karma.>      The person who consumes food obtained by exploitation just to gratify his cravings of the tongue, pays the price in this life by numerous diseases such as diabetes, high blodd pressure etc. and in the next life, the same animals which he exploited will give the same pain to him. >  > 4.      Hence let all of us devotees of Lord Guruvayoorappan shun milk products, eggs and other tamasic food which cause untold sufferings and miserable death for countless innocent animals.

Especially the pain of young calves is heart rendering and needs to be stopped; we can especially help if we limit/eliminate the consumption of such cruel products.>  > Let is truly worship our cows by refusing to exploit her for milk, leather and meat and thereby not get entangled in karmic repurcussions.>  > Out of the eight “flowers� which pleases Lord Vishnu, the second is “Indriya Nigraha� or “control of our senses�, if we can control our tongue for addictions for “pleasure foods�, we will save the needless sufferings of so many innocent animals and truly please our Lord.>  > Sincerely,>  > Kamlesh>  > > --- On Wed, 9/2/09, Savitri Puram savitriopuram@ ... wrote:> > > Savitri Puram savitriopuram@ ....> Re: [Guruvayur] Ethum ente keralamo ennu

samshyam thonnunnu> guruvayur@grou ps.com> Wednesday, September 2, 2009, 8:58 AM> > >  > > > > > Dear Panickerji and all Gurudevs,>  > I happened to read the following article about Vegetarianism. I want to share this with all. There are some insignificant spelling mistakes and confusing sentences. But idea is expressed clearly.>  > Regards and prayers>  > Savitri>  >  > > Info: Does Hinduism require one to be a vegetarian?> Wed, 30 Nov 1994 08:09:43 -0500> K. Sadananda sadananda (AT) anvil (DOT) . nrl.navy. mil>> Sub: Does Hinduism require one to be a vegetarian> Recently two questions were asked - Does Hinduism require one to believe> in God? Does Hinduism require one to be a vegetarian? In a recent

article,> I have addressed the first question. Here I will provides some thoughts> for the second question. > In relation to the first question, I have discussed what Hinduism stands> for and who is truly a Hindu. In essence, Hinduism is Sanatana Dharma,> and that Dharma is from time immemorial - it involves pursuit for Moksha. > Therefore the one who is seeking for Moksha is a true Hindu, irrespective> of the nationality, caste, creed or gender. With that catholic> understanding, one can see that Hinduism becomes a way of life because the> pursuit of the essential purpose of life is the goal of the Hindu life. > With that perspective, it is easier to analyze all other questions> including whether Hinduism requires one to be a vegetarian.. Since the> purpose of life is securing liberation or Moksha, until we reach that we> need to live. Only death is the death of

the ego that happens in the> spiritual awakening. Hence, keeping the body alive by nourishment is the> our Dharma. That means one has to eat to live (not the other way - living> for eating sake!)> Life lives on life. That is the law of nature. Whether I eat an animal or> plant I am destroying a life. Among all life forms Man is different from> the rest of the life kingdom. He has the capability to discriminate the> right from wrong. That also gives him the freedom of choice. Plants have> just body and perhaps a rudimentary mind. Animals have both body and mind> to express feelings and suffering, but rudimentary intellect. Man has not> only body, mind but also well developed intellect to discriminate, decide> and to choose. He always has three choices - Karthum sakhyam, akartum> sakhyam and anyathA karthum sakhyam - he can choose to do, not to do and> do it other

way. For animals and plants there is no freedom of choice. > They are instinctively driven. Cow does not sit down before meals, and> inquire whether it should be a vegetarian or non-vegetarian. So is a> tiger. For a Man the discriminative intellect is very evolved. Plants and> animals do not commit sin in their actions because there is no will> involved in their actions. For a human, the story is different. You may> wonder why I brought sin in the argument. Let me explain. > Sin is nothing but agitations in the mind. It is these agitations that> prevent me in my journey to Moksha. Mind has to be pure (meaning> un-agitated) for me to see the truth as the truth. (Bible also says> Blessed are those whose minds are pure). To define sin more> scientifically - it is the divergence between the mind and intellect.> Intellect knows right from wrong - but we feel like doing things

even> though we know they are wrong - that is, the intellect says something, but> mind which should be subservient to intellect rebels and does whatever it> feels like. This divergence is sin. After the action is performed -> there is a guilt feeling, because intellect, although was overruled, does> not keep quiet, it keeps prodding " I told you it is wrong. Why did you do> it?" With peace of mind gone Man goes through a "Hell". Man is not> punished for the sin, he is punished by the sin! - Think about it. > All yogas, if you analyze clearly, are bringing this integration between> the body, mind and intellect. For a Yogi - What he thinks, what he speaks> and what he does are in perfect harmony or alignment (Manasaa vAcha> karmana). In our case, we think something but have no guts to say what we> think, our lips says something different from what are thinking - if

you> watch the lips and the actions that follow, they are again different! -> There is no integration any where. We live a chaotic life.. Besides> deceiving others, most pathetic is we deceive ourselves, and the worst> thing is we don't even realize that. > Now, when a tiger kills and eats, it does not commit a sin. Because its> intellect is rudimentary, and it does not go through any analysis before> it kills - should I kill or not to kill - Should I be a non-vegetarian or> should I be vegetarian?" . When it is hungry, to fill the natures demand,> it kills it pray and eats what it nees and leaves the rest when it is> full. It is not greedy either. That is its Swadharma. It follows a> beautiful ecological system. > It is only man who destroys the ecology by being greedy. "Should I be a> vegetarian or non-vegetarian? " is asked only by a man. Why that

question> comes? Because man has discriminative intellect, and he does not want to> hurt others to fill his belly. He learns what `hurt' means because he> surely does not want others to hurt him. Plants are life forms too, should> one hurt them?. You may ask. If one can live without hurting any life> forms that is the best, but that is not possible. Life lives on life -> that is the law of nature. My role as a human being with discriminative> intellect is to do the least damage to the nature for keeping myself> alive. At least, I am not consciously aware of suffering of the plants. > That is why eating to live and not living to eat is the determining> factor. > In Bhagawad Geeta, Krishna emphatically says that a Sadhaka (one who is in> pursuit of Moksha) should have a compassion for all forms of life - Sarva> Bhuta HitErathAha. In the spiritual growth, one

develops subtler and> subtler intellect (Sukshma Bhuddhi in contrast to TeeKshna Buddhi, i.e.> sharper intellect). That is, the mind is becoming quieter, calmer and> self-contended. Your sensitivity to suffering of others also grows. Hence> it is advisable to be a vegetarian. > Even the traditional non-vegetarians repel against eating dogs and cats or> other human beings! Why? Meat is a meat after all! But with familiarity> grows a compassion. > There are many two legged animals in human form with rudimentary> intellect. They behave like animals. But in the evolutionary ladder one> develops subtler and subtler intellect, then it is advisable to be a> vegetarian - only taking from nature what it needs to keep the body going. > One should not hurt any life forms to satisfy the craving of ones tongue. > Should Hindu be a vegetarian? Since such a question already

arose in your> mind, you have a degree of sensitivity not to hurt other living forms to> satisfy your belly. Then you may be better off not eating meat and you> will be at peace with yourself. Since you are sensitive to this your> intellect directing you one way and your mind wants some baser pleasures> and directing you the other way. When you go against your own intellect> you commit sin. That is against your SWADHARMA as Krishna puts it. > Besides, now, even the traditional non-vegetarians are choosing> vegetarianism not because of any compassion to other animals but they are> recognizing that it is not good for their health. > I have already mentioned that Hinduism has no doos and don'ts, but you> determine your own doos and don'ts based on your intellectual values,> culture, education and primary goal in life. You will find that following> your Swadharma

makes you comfortable with yourself. It is not others to> judge, it is for you to judge. If you are agitated, that means you are> loosing peace of mind for these and that is a sin! Imagine your self that> chicken or cow that you are eating. Would you not advice the guy who is> eating you to be a vegetarian instead and spare its life. Do not say you> are not killing the animal yourself, and killing will go on whether you> eat or not. If you don't eat, one animal is spared. This is the demand> and supply. I may not be stealing my self, but if I buy the stolen> property knowing that it was stolen, it is a crime! Is it not? Now there> are imitation meats too - so why the crave for a dead meet. Why do you> want your stomach to be a burial ground for a dead animal. > >From Hinduism point, it does not really care. All it wants is for you to> pursue the path towards the

Sanatanadharma. So do what is needful to keep> your mind calm and un-agitated. Purification of the mind is the means for> attaining salvation, and that is the goal of human life. Since by willful> actions we got ourselves into this mess of Samsar, it is by willful> Sadhana only we can get out of it. Lord has given us the intelligence to> accomplish this - Krishna declares - you are better off following your> swadharma than paradharma. Swadharma (is not just what caste you belong> or what religion you belong) in the final analysis it is what your> intellect or conscious dictates. Because, after the action is performed,> it is your mind that has to settle accounts with your intellect. > Do yourself a favor - eat what#you need and discard what you really donot> need it. That way your make your life simple, peaceful and healthy with> low cholesteral. Hari Om and Tat Sat. -

Sadananda> It is only a fool who does not take life seriously.> It is intelligent who seriously takes life seriously.> It is wise who seriously does not take life seriously. For him the life is an> enchanting sport to be played to the best! Win or loose, it is a fun to play.> ------------ ------> Dr. K. Sadananda Voice:(202)767- 2117> Code 6323 FAX: (202)767-2623> Naval Research Laboratory E-Mail:sadananda@ anvil.nrl. navy.mil> Washington, D.C. 20375> > > On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 9:46 PM, Udayabhanu Panickar <udhayabhanupanickar @> wrote:> > > Â > > > [Attachment( s) from Udayabhanu Panickar included below] > > > > > > > > > Dear Ramachadra Menon and others,> > It is not just 10 crores it is 34 this year. Please look at the attached

news report. Drinking alcohol, using other intoxicating substances like drugs and most of all eating flesh is the cause of the largest killer in the world. More than that, the flesh eating creates the biggest environmental problem for the world. Our beloved Keralam and bhAratham is adopting this culture. The solution is in our purANam, Ithihasam, Vedah, and upanishads. Every one of spiritual masters has advised us not to use any of this. But still our people do this. Let us hope things will turn for the better.> Â > Thanks> > > Sincerely,> > > Udayabhanu Panickar> aum namaH Shivaaya> The vow not to kill is great indeed, and greater still is non-eating of the flesh; there would be no butcher, if there is non to eat; in eating thus abides the cruder ill, as she/he is the reason for the killing.> > --- On Tue, 9/1/09, ramachandra menon <ramachandramenon@

> wrote:> > > ramachandra menon <ramachandramenon@ >> Re: [Guruvayur] Ethum ente keralamo ennu samshyam thonnunnu> guruvayur@grou ps.com> Tuesday, September 1, 2009, 2:22 AM> > > Â > > > > > > > Just for the sake of statistics, let me say that the liquor sales from the Beverages Corporation( state run) during Onam season is for Rs.10 crores. Total population of Keralites is supposed to be around 3 crores. Very small percentage of women may be indulging in drinking. Children may not drink at all. Men folk who comprise about 50% of the population consume liquor worth Rs.10 crores perday. There may be long queue in front of the Beverages corp. counters today for stocking for tomorrow. Liquor is part and parcel of our life. Recently a prominent marxist leader openly declared that the

households should make liquor a permanent part of daily menu. All the family members should sit together and drink. > Perhaps when you visit Kerala next you may find this scene of all the familymembers sitting together and drinking. > > --- On Mon, 31/8/09, balagopal ramakrishnan rbalpal (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote:> > > balagopal ramakrishnan rbalpal (AT) (DOT) co.in>> Re: [Guruvayur] Ethum ente keralamo ennu samshyam thonnunnu> guruvayur@grou ps.com> Monday, 31 August, 2009, 11:08 AM> > >  > > > > > > > HARI AUM>  > Dear Panickarji,>  > During every visit to Kerala one important thing I notice - people are materially more well off than any time in history. No youngster asks for any kind of employment. Money flows like water. Even

small hamlets are flush with high end bakeries, jewellery shops (souks), saree emporiums, well run hospitals, hotels and restaurents and non stop TV entertainment. Consumption is the king. Let's wait for the Onam sales figure of liquors. Not a bad show for 'prabhudha keralam' ! >  > Regards>  > Balagopal>  > NARAYANA NARAYANA NARAYANA > > PS: Attended a marriage last week at Thiruvanathapuram - the hall rent ( empty hall with some platic chairs and a/c for 4 hours) was a meagre Rs95,000/-. Also was aghast to see all guests -  both groom's and bride's sides - rushing for food the second the 'thali kettu' was over. Maybe some TV serial is awaiting them !    > > > Love Cricket? Check out live scores, photos, video highlights and more. > >

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[Guest guest]

I agree with the need for all of us to sattvic food for the rest of our life, which is possible for most of us.

 

But how do we, who do Sales/Marketing and also those of us, running their own business,

 

who need to entertain their clients/customers make it workable? Especially in Asia...

 

As you may know, to establish relationships in any industry and to get business moving ahead, networking is essential and in today's world, partying, drinking is part of the process, which includes non-vegetarian food.

 

If some of our learned members (who run their own business, sales teams,...) have found some ways to overcome these, please share....

 

Best Regards,

Anil

 

 

 

 

Re: Vegetarian Vs. Sattvic Food - Food for thought

Posted by: "ramachandra menon" ramachandramenon ramachandramenon

Thu Sep 3, 2009 11:29 pm (PDT)

On uthradam day, just one day previous to Onam, the total liquor consumed in Kerala is worth Rs.34 crores. --- On Fri, 4/9/09, nbnair2000 <nbnair2000 > wrote:nbnair2000 <nbnair2000 >[Guruvayur] Re: Vegetarian Vs. Sattvic Food - Food for thoughtguruvayur@grou ps.comFriday, 4 September, 2009, 6:36 AM HARI AUMNow it is well established that there is too much cruelty involved in the production of some of the

so-called vegetarian food items.We all devotees of SriGuruvayurappan have to take these lines from Shri Kamlesh very seriously and also spread the message: "4. Hencelet all of us devotees of Lord Guruvayoorappan shun milk products, eggsand other tamasic food which cause untold sufferings and miserabledeath for countless innocent animals. Especially the pain of youngcalves is heart rendering and needs to be stopped; we can especiallyhelp if we limit/eliminate the consumption of such cruel products.".Regards to all,NB Nair.

[Guest guest]

I beg to differ from what you have mentioned about Marketing and Sales personnel. To quote my personal experience,...

I was in Sales & now in Marketing covering Tamil Nadu then & Karnatka now for the past 31 years.

I am a Vegeterian and a teetotaler while almost all my friends are non-vegeterian with drinking habits. Also I had been to various parties- late evening & midnight- all around the south in pubs, star hotels & Spas adhering strictly to my norms inspite of the ridicules & tongue teasers.

 

My personal experience is that it is not the work that we do influences or forces us to go for satvic food + others but the degree of our conviction to adhere to our personal commitment to GOD/Religion/Caste/ Parents or what ever.

KKrishnakumar.

 

 

 

Anil NN <anilnnguruvayur Sent: Friday, 4 September, 2009 4:11:37 PM[Guruvayur] Re: Vegetarian Vs. Sattvic Food - Food for thought

 

 

I agree with the need for all of us to sattvic food for the rest of our life, which is possible for most of us.

 

But how do we, who do Sales/Marketing and also those of us, running their own business,

 

who need to entertain their clients/customers make it workable? Especially in Asia...

 

As you may know, to establish relationships in any industry and to get business moving ahead, networking is essential and in today's world, partying, drinking is part of the process, which includes non-vegetarian food.

 

If some of our learned members (who run their own business, sales teams,...) have found some ways to overcome these, please share....

 

Best Regards,

Anil

 

 

 

 

Re: Vegetarian Vs. Sattvic Food - Food for thought

Posted by: "ramachandra menon" ramachandramenon@ ramachandramenon

Thu Sep 3, 2009 11:29 pm (PDT)

On uthradam day, just one day previous to Onam, the total liquor consumed in Kerala is worth Rs.34 crores. --- On Fri, 4/9/09, nbnair2000 <nbnair2000 > wrote:nbnair2000 <nbnair2000 >[Guruvayur] Re: Vegetarian Vs. Sattvic Food - Food for thoughtguruvayur@grou ps.comFriday, 4 September, 2009, 6:36 AM HARI AUMNow it is well established that there is too much cruelty involved in the production of some of the so-called

vegetarian food items.We all devotees of SriGuruvayurappan have to take these lines from Shri Kamlesh very seriously and also spread the message: "4. Hencelet all of us devotees of Lord Guruvayoorappan shun milk products, eggsand other tamasic food which cause untold sufferings and miserabledeath for countless innocent animals. Especially the pain of youngcalves is heart rendering and needs to be stopped; we can especiallyhelp if we limit/eliminate the consumption of such cruel products.".Regards to all,NB Nair.

 

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[Guest guest]

Dear Anil and others,

 

I don’t own a business or run a marketing or sales

department in one. But I used to work in a big company as a manager. I use to

take lunch to work, which very rarely done in USA where I live. When working in

the administration I was stationary (used to be in an office and work there

every day.) In the lunch room I used to try to share my food with others, all

westerners, who are flesh eaters. (While visiting on short inspections to

satellite locations also I used to do the same and use the local lunch room for

lunch and do the same.) When doing this I used to say the benefits of

vegetarian/sattvik food. In the beginning the sharing offers were refused. But slowly

it changed and one by one they they started accepting my message and food and I

was able to change few people into vegetarians and even now I try to keep

spreading the massage of Vegetarian food to who ever come across.. Of course I

face objections, mostly from people from our own bhAratham and particularly

from people who profess to be ‘Hindus’. Look at my signature at the end of my emails;

I use this also for spreading the message of vegetarianism and other such

things like message against drug abuse and alcoholism. Of course there also I

face abjections, that too mostly from people from our own bhAratham and particularly

from people who profess to be ‘Hindus’. In spite of this, I continued with it, (and

still do) and I do get positive results, though not on a big scale. But I

believe that if I can change one person, it is a success.. So I keep on going.

 

Here what I am trying to say is, if your objective is pure

and for the better of the people and your conscious says to do it go ahead, do

it. You will succeed.

 

Now coming to your circumstances, I think you can turn this

seemingly disadvantageous situation into an advantageous one. Here is my point

if view. Next time arrange a party with a purely sattvik food and drinks. If it

is a privately arranged party, have posters posted in the room declaring the

benefits of the food and drinks you are serving. In your speech, if you make

one, and also in private conversations try to bring in one or two points on the

benefits of the food and drinks you are serving.

 

I don’t know where you live. But now in most of the

countries there are caterers who are able to provide sattvik food and drinks

for parties. If not, try your own (family) cooking. If the group is a small

this is the best.

 

Thanks

Sincerely, Udayabhanu Panickaraum namaH Shivaaya Alcohol (and other intoxicating substances) is poison; don’t make it, don’t use it, don’t sell it. . Eating flesh is good neither for the mind nor for the intellect, not even for the body. It distorts the basic character of human.And it is very unhealthy. --- On Fri, 9/4/09, Anil NN

<anilnn wrote:Anil NN <anilnn[Guruvayur] Re: Vegetarian Vs. Sattvic Food - Food for thoughtguruvayur Date: Friday, September 4, 2009, 6:41 AM

 

 

I agree with the need for all of us to sattvic food for the rest of our life, which is possible for most of us.

 

But how do we, who do Sales/Marketing and also those of us, running their own business,

 

who need to entertain their clients/customers make it workable? Especially in Asia...

 

As you may know, to establish relationships in any industry and to get business moving ahead, networking is essential and in today's world, partying, drinking is part of the process, which includes non-vegetarian food.

 

If some of our learned members (who run their own business, sales teams,...) have found some ways to overcome these, please share....

 

Best Regards,

Anil

 

 

 

 

Re: Vegetarian Vs. Sattvic Food - Food for thought

Posted by: "ramachandra menon" ramachandramenon@ ramachandramenon

Thu Sep 3, 2009 11:29 pm (PDT)

On uthradam day, just one day previous to Onam, the total liquor consumed in Kerala is worth Rs.34 crores. --- On Fri, 4/9/09, nbnair2000 <nbnair2000 > wrote:nbnair2000 <nbnair2000 >[Guruvayur] Re: Vegetarian Vs. Sattvic Food - Food for thoughtguruvayur@grou ps.comFriday, 4 September, 2009, 6:36 AM HARI AUMNow it is well established that there is too much cruelty involved in the

production of some of the

so-called vegetarian food items.We all devotees of SriGuruvayurappan have to take these lines from Shri Kamlesh very seriously and also spread the message: "4. Hencelet all of us devotees of Lord Guruvayoorappan shun milk products, eggsand other tamasic food which cause untold sufferings and miserabledeath for countless innocent animals. Especially the pain of youngcalves is heart rendering and needs to be stopped; we can especiallyhelp if we limit/eliminate the consumption of such cruel products.".Regards to all,NB Nair.

[Guest guest]

Dear Panickarji,

 

I for one,agree with you fully.

I used to work for the United States Railroad and my wife is a staff member of a

reputed University. We too carry our own lunch to work.

We share the common lunch room and face no adverse remarks from fellow workers

who are all non-vegetarians. There are many other advantages in taking home-

made lunch to work.

- We know what we are eating because we prepare it ourselves ( the quality,

taste, hygene etc.)

- Economy; Lunch made at home forthe entire family costs less than a single

lunch bought outside.

- Hygene; All and every restaurant, whether a tiny one or a 5-star rated one,

their kitchens are almost the same cleanliness-wise. of course the high-level

ones may have stainless steel appliances and marble floors etc but in all

places, roaches and rats are regular visitors.

So before ordering lunch in a hotel/restaurant, have a look at the

kitchen and you will think twice before ordering.

I say this because at one time I managed a star hotel of which I was a partner.

As for social gatherings and high-end parties, there is no need for one to drink

liquor or eat non-veg items and that too without offending anyone.. When I was

living in another foreign country, I and my wife had to attend social gatherings

and cock-tail parties regularly, by virtue of my employment. The multi-national

guests ate and drank according to their taste and preference. Most of the items

at these parties will be non-veg but there will always be a few veg.

preparations.

 

Where there is a will, there is a way!

Only beasts eat flesh not human beings. If in doubt, pay a visit to any

slaughter house and u will be convinced.

 

jai shree krishna !

 

Achuthan Nair.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

guruvayur , Udayabhanu Panickar <udhayabhanupanickar

wrote:

>

>

>

>

>

> Dear Anil and others,

>

>  

>

> I don’t own a business or run a marketing or sales

> department in one. But I used to work in a big company as a manager. I use to

> take lunch to work, which very rarely done in USA where I live. When working

in

> the administration I was stationary (used to be in an office and work there

> every day.) In the lunch room I used to try to share my food with others, all

> westerners, who are flesh eaters. (While visiting on short inspections to

> satellite locations also I used to do the same and use the local lunch room

for

> lunch and do the same.) When doing this I used to say the benefits of

> vegetarian/sattvik food. In the beginning the sharing offers were refused. But

slowly

> it changed and one by one they they started accepting my message and food and

I

> was able to change few people into vegetarians and even now I try to keep

> spreading the massage of Vegetarian food to who ever come across. Of course I

> face objections, mostly from people from our own bhAratham and particularly

> from people who profess to be ‘Hindus’. Look at my signature at the end of

my emails;

> I use this also for spreading the message of vegetarianism and other such

> things like message against drug abuse and alcoholism. Of course there also I

> face abjections, that too mostly from people from our own bhAratham and

particularly

> from people who profess to be ‘Hindus’. In spite of this, I continued with

it, (and

> still do) and I do get positive results, though not on a big scale. But I

> believe that if I can change one person, it is a success. So I keep on going.

>

>  

>

> Here what I am trying to say is, if your objective is pure

> and for the better of the people and your conscious says to do it go ahead, do

> it. You will succeed.

>

>  

>

> Now coming to your circumstances, I think you can turn this

> seemingly disadvantageous situation into an advantageous one. Here is my point

> if view. Next time arrange a party with a purely sattvik food and drinks. If

it

> is a privately arranged party, have posters posted in the room declaring the

> benefits of the food and drinks you are serving. In your speech, if you make

> one, and also in private conversations try to bring in one or two points on

the

> benefits of the food and drinks you are serving.

>

>  

>

> I don’t know where you live. But now in most of the

> countries there are caterers who are able to provide sattvik food and drinks

> for parties.. If not, try your own (family) cooking. If the group is a small

> this is the best.

>

>  

>

> Thanks

>

>

>

> Sincerely,

> Udayabhanu Panickar

> aum namaH Shivaaya Alcohol (and other intoxicating substances) is poison;

don’t make it, don’t use it, don’t sell it. . Eating flesh is good

neither for the mind nor for the intellect, not even for the body. It distorts

the basic character of human.And it is very unhealthy.

>

> --- On Fri, 9/4/09, Anil NN <anilnn wrote:

>

> Anil NN <anilnn

> [Guruvayur] Re: Vegetarian Vs. Sattvic Food - Food for thought

> guruvayur

> Friday, September 4, 2009, 6:41 AM

 

>

>

>

>

>

> I agree with the need for all of us to sattvic food for the

rest of our  life, which is possible for most of us.

>  

> But how do we, who do Sales/Marketing and also those of us, running their own

business,

>  

> who need to entertain their clients/customers make it workable? Especially in

Asia...

>  

> As you may know, to establish relationships in any industry and to get

business moving ahead, networking is essential and in today's world, partying,

drinking is part of the process, which includes non-vegetarian food.

>  

> If some of our learned members (who run their own business, sales teams,...)

have found some ways to overcome these, please share.....

>  

> Best Regards,

> Anil

>  

>  

>  

>

> Re: Vegetarian Vs. Sattvic Food - Food for thought

> Posted by: " ramachandra menon " ramachandramenon@   ramachandramenon

> Thu Sep 3, 2009 11:29 pm (PDT)

>

>

> On uthradam day, just one day previous to Onam, the total liquor consumed in

Kerala is worth Rs.34 crores.

>

> --- On Fri, 4/9/09, nbnair2000 <nbnair2000 > wrote:

>

> nbnair2000 <nbnair2000 >

> [Guruvayur] Re: Vegetarian Vs. Sattvic Food - Food for thought

> guruvayur@grou ps.com

> Friday, 4 September, 2009, 6:36 AM

>

>  

>

> HARI AUM

>

> Now it is well established that there is too much cruelty involved in the

production of some of the

> so-called vegetarian food items.

> We all devotees of SriGuruvayurappan have to take these lines from Shri

Kamlesh very seriously and also spread the message:

>   " 4.       Hencelet all of us devotees of Lord Guruvayoorappan shun

milk products, eggsand other tamasic food which cause untold sufferings and

miserabledeath for countless innocent animals. Especially the pain of

youngcalves is heart rendering and needs to be stopped; we can especiallyhelp if

we limit/eliminate the consumption of such cruel products. " .

>

> Regards to all,

> NB Nair.

>