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Dear Nbnairji,

 

Thanks for your message. No one is trying to pick quarrels or criticise other

members. there is nothing personal here.

Charity begins at home ! If fellow Gurudevas are not willing to support a common

issue, who will ? If they disagree. fair enough but express your views please.

Don'tlook the other way.

What is the purpose of being a SILENT MEMBER ?

I had mentioned somewhere else that what humans beings do in the name of God and

Bhakti is not for God but for satisfying personal greed. God wants only our

love and devotion NOT material things such as Milk, Ghee, Appam, Payasm , Pooram

festivals or decorated elephants and Panchvadyam. People do that for their own

sensual satisfaction and enjoyment,

Bhagavan needs only some clean pure water and some fresh thulsi leaves and a

lighted lamp.

 

jai shree krishna !

 

 

Achuthan Nair

 

 

guruvayur , " nbn " <nbnair2000 wrote:

>

> HARI AUM

>

> Yes, Dear Achuthan Nairji, from our Home page I checked upand as on at

> this time our membership is 1518. And I am sure (as confirmed

> frompersonal emails) there are many who agree fully with the issues of

> cruelty tofellow beings - cows, elephants or any other beings! But most

> of them wish totake an easy path or safe path of looking the other way.

> They are perhaps under an imaginary fear of annoying " others " , the

> majority. It is simply a vicious circle - if more people come forward

> and speak out, more and more will follow!

>

> Following the Message#5702 Trissur Pooram-cruelty in the name

> oftradition and God - K.VGopalakrishna, May 1, 2007 and the Message#

> 8476 Chottanikkara Makam Thozhal - Binu Nair Feb 21,2008 many people

> started expressing their opinion. But there were some adverse comments/

> accusations also from someof our esteemed members and the discussions

> ended almost abruptly.

>

> Right or wrong, no one wants to start any controversy orfight on this

> Devine Forum so wonderfully organised and meticulously maintainedby a

> few blessed individuals for the benefits/ spiritual uplift of

> GuruvayurDevotees.

>

> Brooding over these lines only I found the underlyingmeaning in that

> prayer, as stated in my Message#19720 " Satyam Paranjeedan Shakti

> Taran - Entu Tamasam Krishna " –Daivame Kai Thozham -

> Kelkkumarakanam ….

>

> I don't get words to express my profound gratitude to Sunilji for

> including that Prayer song by Mahakavi Pandalam Kerala Varma in

> theVrischikam Special issue of Navaneetham devoted to Swamy Ayyappan,

> again ofPandalam origin!

>

> Regards to all fellow devotees,

>

> urs affly nb nair.

>

>

>

> guruvayur , " Tigers tail " <anair1101@> wrote:

> >

> > Hari-Om

> >

> > How many of us are there in this group ? I remember Sunilji said that

> amounts to more than 1500 members . When a subject such as cow abuse

> and torture is discussed, hardly a handful of the members raise a finger

> in favour of the issue..

> > If our own group members do not stand united on this issue what

> external support can we expect ? Those who are in favour of cow

> protection should speak up.

> > We are faced with opposition groups conSisting multinationl companies,

> corportes, developed countries with tens of thousands of cattle ranches

> and multi-million dollar beef industries.

> > They spend billions every year to promote and lobbey for the meat

> trade and voicing our concerns will need Herculean efforts to get

> through.

> > So at least let all the members stand united on this issue and speak

> with one voice. Silence will not help.

> >

> > jai shree krishna

> >

> > Achuthan Nair !

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > guruvayur , " K.V Gopalakrishna "

> gopalakrishna.kv@ wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear all,

> > > Our Kamalesh had written--------------- (Refer to the bottom-most

> mail)

> > >

> > > " Becoming Vegetarian will not only save us from flash floods, global

> warming

> > > and a host of other evils in this life, but will also save us from

> the

> > > incredible tortures of Hell in the next life, for causing so much

> needless

> > > suffering and death to innocent animals for our cravings for flesh

> and

> > > animal products like factory produced milk and eggs. "

> > >

> > > This reminds me of an episode in Bhagavatam and Narayaneeyam when

> > > " Prachina-barhis " who was killing animals by their thousands in the

> name of

> > > Yagas and other rituals and was a " Karmatha " (करà¥à¤®à¤

> , sage Sri Narada goes

> > > and advises him to stop killing of animals as it is a great sin, and

> that

> > > the same animals would be waiting with their sharp horns to tear him

> to

> > > pieces, when he dies. Prachina-barhis withdraws to the forest to

> perform

> > > Tapasya and expiate his sins.

> > >

> > > Coming back, it all started in our group, when I pointed out to the

> group,

> > > the cruelty we are perpetrating on elephants in the name of religion

> and God

> > > when we keep them standing in the summer sun from dawn to dusk and

> again

> > > during the ensuing night. I was watching the TV which was showing

> the

> > > Trichur Pooram couple of years ago, and I did watch continuously, to

> see

> > > whether the animals were being properly fed and given drinking

> water. To my

> > > greatest consternation, I didnt find anything of such sort. Out of

> those,

> > > two elephants were behaving a bit odd, standing aloof and raising

> their

> > > trunks as though they are going to trumpet.

> > >

> > > The next day, I read in the papers that two elephants were turning

> roguish,

> > > were isolated with punishment of tying tightly with chains, etc.

> > >

> > > It was not my intention to injure anybody's feelings or stand

> against

> > > celebrating Trichur pooram, etc., and all that i wanted to convey

> was that

> > > we should prevail upon the organisers to show more kindness to them,

> put up

> > > a shade to cover the area, give them proper food and water in time.

> > > Unfortunately, many of our own members mistook my observations and

> came upon

> > > me like a ton of bricks, and I found a like-minded person in our NB

> Nairji

> > > who supported me wholeheartedly.

> > >

> > > At least, the people attending the Pooram festival can use umbrellas

> to

> > > protect themselves from the peak heat of summer, but what can the

> poor

> > > pachiderms with their god-given black skins standing in the hot sun

> and

> > > absorbing all the heat do? If they protest by trumpeting asking

> for water,

> > > they are branded " Rogue " elephants!

> > >

> > > If we travel by road from Palghat to Coimbatore by road during

> daytime, you

> > > casn see hundreds of poor cows, calves, bullocks, all being tied

> horn to

> > > horn and transported in lorries to slaughter-houses.

> > >

> > > Talk about SPCA ? They can only tell you how to kill causing

> minimum pain

> > > to the animals. They are not against cow slaughter or

> non-vegetarianism.

> > >

> > > It is my opinion that the problem is much much bigger than we all

> think. We

> > > can see only the tip of the iceberg, as it is not possible to turn

> all the

> > > NVs to Vs. The day is not far off when the last quadruped is also

> eaten up

> > > and all the NVs will turn into cannibals and man will eat man.

> > >

> > > I humbly request Shri BCVK and others to give serious thought to all

> these

> > > aspects before taking any crash decisions.

> > >

> > > Warmest regards

> > > KVG.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > On Fri, Nov 20, 2009 at 7:55 AM, Jayasree Menon euroanuster@

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Hari Om!

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Today after seeing Shri KVGji's mail i came to know that there is

> a

> > > society being formed against killing of animals and protection of

> them. It

> > > is simply overwhelming! While I have noticed that Shri Panickerji

> from US

> > > spreads this message alongwith his signature in all the mails, we

> would need

> > > to have a wider spreading of message like this by forming a society

> etc. to

> > > strengthen the action and create an awareness among such forces

> which are

> > > materialistically beyond our reach.

> > > >

> > > > All the best KVGji.

> > > > Om Namo Narayanaya....

> > > >

> > > > 2009/11/19 K.V Gopalakrishna gopalakrishna.kv@

> > > >>

> > > >>

> > > >>

> > > >> Dear BCVK and others,

> > > >> Please give it a simple name, so that anybody who looks at it

> even for

> > > the first time will be able to understand what it is all about,

> rather than

> > > looking for the expansion. I suggest some simple name like " ANIMAL

> > > PROTECTION SOCIETY " or " MRUGA-SAMRAKSHANA-SANGHAM " or something to

> that

> > > effect.

> > > >>

> > > >> Further, we should not forget that there is a SPCA (Society for

> > > Prevention of Cruelty to Animals), already in existence, and we can

> always

> > > appeal to them. If they are not doing their job, we have to either

> support

> > > and help them in their endeavours, or if they are not doing their

> job, we

> > > have to represent to the Animal Welfare Board.

> > > >>

> > > >> We should also remember that as individuals, our voice will never

> be

> > > heard, but if we form groups at every city in sufficient numbers, we

> MAY be

> > > effective in our efforts. So we have to form chapters of the

> society at

> > > every city and gather names of interested personnel and volunteers.

> > > >> Regards

> > > >> KVG.

> > > >>

> > > >> I feel extremely sorry that I could not be present for the

> meeting due to

> > > my age and related problems, but I have been following on the

> write-ups of

> > > members.

> > > >>

> > > >> On Thu, Nov 19, 2009 at 7:47 PM, Venkata krishnan bcvk71@

> > > wrote:

> > > >>>

> > > >>> Dear Rajanganesh and All,

> > > >>> I have thought over and arrieved at

> a name

> > > for the Website and egroup in English.

> > > >>> Reconstruction and Protection of World and Life Foundation

> abridged as

> > > RAPOWAL Foundation.Think over this and improve over this.This name

> covers

> > > every aspect of our ideas.

> > > >>> B.C.VENKATAKRISHNAN.

> > > >>> e-mail: bcvk71@

> > > >>> ________________________________

> > > >>> Kamlesh Nair veryytterium@

> > > >>> bcvk71@; Rajanganesh.TS@;

> > > aaviskar2006@; sunanda.thali@; Krishna@;

> > > hrvalid@; blueheavenstar@

> > > >>> Thu, November 19, 2009 7:15:44 PM

> > > >>> Fwd: Fw: Climate chief Lord Stern: give up meat to save

> the

> > > planet

> > > >>>

> > > >>>

> > > >>>

> > > >>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------

> > > >>> Veryytterium veryytterium@

> > > >>> Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 4:43 PM

> > > >>> Fw: Climate chief Lord Stern: give up meat to save the

> planet

> > > >>> veryytterium@

> > > >>>

> > > >>>

> > > >>>

> > > >>>

> > > >>> --- On Mon, 10/26/09, Veryytterium veryytterium@ wrote:

> > > >>>

> > > >>> Veryytterium veryytterium@

> > > >>> Climate chief Lord Stern: give up meat to save the

> planet

> > > >>> guruvayur

> > > >>> Monday, October 26, 2009, 9:20 PM

> > > >>>

> > > >>> namo narayana

> > > >>>

> > > >>> Respected all,

> > > >>>

> > > >>> As we in this group discuss about the issues of meat eating and

> animal

> > > abuse, almost concurrently the leaders of the world are discussing

> about a

> > > very closely related important topic which will impact all us.

> > > >>>

> > > >>> This topic is " Climate Change " which was blamed for the unusual

> monsoon

> > > patterns this year, creating drought and massive floods at the same

> time.

> > > This climate change is attributed to a “MEAT EATINGâ€

> by intensive factory

> > > farming amongst other man-made factors.

> > > >>>

> > > >>> In intensive factory farming, in order to get the most

> > > meat/eggs/milk/leather etc. the population of the animals is

> artificially

> > > increased by techniques such as artificial insemination. This

> unbalanced

> > > population explosion causes a huge strain on the global natural

> resources

> > > such a water, grains, plants, electricity etc. The animals are very

> > > inefficient converters of the natural resources into edible protein

> and this

> > > causes a very high imbalance in the input of natural resources and

> the

> > > output which is " edible meat " which has a very high “carbon

> footprintâ€.

> > > >>>

> > > >>> In simple terms, growing crops in a unit of land will yield more

> > > calories of food than if used for meat production, and with the

> added bonus

> > > of not polluting the environment. Meat production involves a huge

> waste of

> > > natural resources as an animal can yield only a fraction of its body

> mass as

> > > edible meat. Hence meat is a very " High Carbon " food, which places

> enormous

> > > burdens on the natural ecosystems. While factory farming strips

> fresh water,

> > > plants, green grass for the animals which could be used to grow

> crops, the

> > > factory animals themselves emit carbon dioxide, and methane as well

> as their

> > > process waste thus further harming the environment.

> > > >>>

> > > >>> In an interview with The Times, Lord Stern of Brentford said:

> “Meat is a

> > > wasteful use of water and creates a lot of greenhouse gases. It puts

> > > enormous pressure on the world’s resources. A vegetarian diet

> is better.â€

> > > >>>

> > > >>>

> http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/environment/article6891362.ece

> > > >>>

> > > >>>

> > >

> http://www.mnn.com/lifestyle/health/stories/swedes-begin-labeling-food-e\

> missions

> > > >>>

> > > >>> Our Rishis had always emphasized on Vegetarianism which is

> ethically,

> > > spiritually, religiously, medically, economically, ecologically

> highly

> > > advanced than meat-eating.

> > > >>>

> > > >>> Isn’t it surprising that we Hindus ignore the directions

> given in our

> > > scriptures, but never hesitate to follow the same when preached by

> the so

> > > called " advanced western " civilization.

> > > >>>

> > > >>> Becoming Vegetarian will not only save us from flash floods,

> global

> > > warming and a host of other evils in this life, but will also save

> us from

> > > the incredible tortures of Hell in the next life, for causing so

> much

> > > needless suffering and death to innocent animals for our cravings

> for flesh

> > > and animal products like factory produced milk and eggs.

> > > >>>

> > > >>> Else we shall truly will pay a very high price for our

> addictions!

> > > >>>

> > > >>> Sarvam Sri Krishnaarpanamastu

> > > >>>

> > > >>> Sincerely,

> > > >>>

> > > >>> Kamlesh

> > > >>>

> > > >>>

> > > >>>

> > > >>>

> > > >>>

> > > >>

> > > >>

> > > >>

> > > >> --

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> > > >>

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > --

> > > > Best regards

> > > >

> > > > Jayasree Menon

> > > > Bangalore

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[Guest guest]

HARI AUMIt is heartening to learn that people, individually and in groups are out tofeed hapless animals, give them shelter, etc. But I sincerely appeal toall concerned: don't waste your much valuable time and energy "to stopkilling by others". Once we believe vegetarianism is good we can always plead for it, advise othersto change over, etc., like what our Panickerji does through his appeals alwaysgiven under his signature in all mails. But who are we to stopkilling by "others"? At least, as far as we continue the practice ofHIMSA, very nakedly, in the name of "Devotion to GOD", we don't haveany genuine right to impose AHIMSA on "others" - it will be HYPOCRISYin its naked form - "My way and the Wrong Way" policy.On our own Guruvayur Group Forum many of our members had described how we treatour "Cow Matas" in the so-called modern farms. By hormonetreatments we enlarge their stomachs and udders out of proportion, byartificial insemination we make them give birth without intervals, take awaythe young ones from their mothers, male progenies for immediate butchering andthe females for artificial feeds and hormone treatments to continue the cycleof torture. After all these life-longtorture at the end they are also butchered: instead it would have been morehumane if they are butchered right away so that they don't have to undergo allthose sufferings. Hence the cow milkthat we get these days are more a product of SIN than meat! Like cows our temple elephants are alsodoomed for their lives, once in our custody. They never get a day's normal life. So before embarking on cleaning the neighbourhood let us try to cleanour own house to the extent possible – let us use our time and energy for thatwith utmost priority.Before accusing "OTHERS" look into a mirror, look within,and make that image worth worshipping, heed Gurudeva's Advice. WithDue Respects for all,ursaffly nb nair.guruvayur , Veryytterium <veryytterium wrote:>> namo narayana>  > Respected Sir,>  > Thank you for your emils regarding the abuse of the elephants.>  > It is very disturbing when we see the horrendous ill-treatment and exploitation of animals especially in the name of devotion/religion.>  > Is it needed to show our devotion by pouring a gallon of milk, curd or ghee on to the Lord- knowing that to obtain this milk many cows have to suffer endlessly by having their calves killed and milked dry till they bleed?>  > Do we have to feast on paal-payasams, ghee soaked chakra pongal in the garb of offering it to the Lord, when the calves of these cows are starved to death? We can fool ourselves but not Him and the Laws of Karma.>  > Has Lord Krishna ever demanded these things under such sinful deeds?? And can we expect the Lord to ever be pleased with all these "offerings" which are so tamasic and cruel in nature?>  > We do have alternatives, we can perform the same abhisekhams with auspicious dhravyams such as turmeric water, coconut water, rose water, tulasi water, saffron-cardomum water ....... the list is endless.>  > We can also offer Him the best naivedhyams which are sattvic in nature.>  > All He wants is just some fruit, flower, a leaf and water, along with loads of true devotion and love not only for Him but for all His animals too.>  > We all must stop these atrocities in the name of "devotion" and support Go-shalas. >  > We have all consumed milk from the cow, who is akin to our own mother. While we take care of our mothers with such love and respect, can we expect our four-legged "mother" who has fed us her milk all her life, to be abused all her life and then killed in the worst possible manner?>  > Please think about it and if convinced please support those individuals who care for these abandoned old cows in Go-shalas.>  > Sincerely,> Kamlesh>  > P.S: Please read about the Eight flowers of devotion to Lord Vishnu in this context>  > ahimsA prathamam pushpam pushpam indriya nigraha: I > sarva bhUtha dayA pushpam kshamA pushpam visEshadha : jnAnam pushpam Tapa: pushpam DhyAnam pushpam tadhaiva cha I > sathyamashtavidham pushpam VishNO: preethikaram bhavEth II >  > Let us see how each of these flowers is related to Cow protection/Go-seva>  > Ahimsa (Non-violence):> Refuse to consume milk products and leather and  save cows from abuse and death>  > Indriya-nigraha (control of the senses)> Restraining our addictions and cravings of our tongue for milk products. This is the most important factor in the existence of factory farming and cow abuse for its milk/meat.>  > Sarva-bhUta-dayA (compassion to all living beings)> Being compassionate to cows/calves by abstaining from factory produced milk & supporting Go-shalas>  > KshamA (tolerance/patience)> Tolerate the urges of tongue and old habits while adhering to non-violence>  > JnAnam (knowledge)> Realizing that the real worship of the Lord is not only external by rituals but also by showing compassion to animals along with serving His devotees>  > Tapas(austerity)> Living an austere like by giving up sense-gratification and pleasure foods such as ice-cream, cheese, butter, ghee which are cruel to animals and to sustain on pure sattvic non-violent food>  > DhyAnam(contemplative meditation)> Meditate on the form of Sri Krishna, as the cowherd boy Protecting His favourite cows and realize the importance of Go-seva>  > Satyam (truth)> Ability to live our lives as truthfully as possible without being hypocritical. Inculcating ahimsa not only in thought and word but also in deeds and ability to put forth teachings of Gita in one’s own life practically  > > > --- On Fri, 11/20/09, K.V Gopalakrishna gopalakrishna.kv wrote:> > > K.V Gopalakrishna gopalakrishna.kv Re: [Guruvayur] Re: Proposal of Name for our website and e-group.> guruvayur > Cc: "Venkata krishnan" bcvk71, "reply-to Venkata krishnan" mbaabou, "to Kamlesh Nair" veryytterium, Rajanganesh.TS, aaviskar2006, sunanda.thali, Krishna, hrvalid, blueheavenstar, "Sudharsana Lakshmi Narasimhan" sudharsananarasimhan, "Lakshmi Narayanan S" slakshmi1954, "cc "K.V Gopalakrishna"" gopalakrishna.kv Friday, November 20, 2009, 6:03 AM> > >  > > > > Dear all,> Our Kamalesh had written----- --------- - (Refer to the bottom-most mail)> > "Becoming Vegetarian will not only save us from flash floods, global warming and a host of other evils in this life, but will also save us from the incredible tortures of Hell in the next life, for causing so much needless suffering and death to innocent animals for our cravings for flesh and animal products like factory produced milk and eggs."> > This reminds me of an episode in Bhagavatam and Narayaneeyam when "Prachina-barhis" who was killing animals by their thousands in the name of Yagas and other rituals and was a "Karmatha" (करà¥à¤®à¤ , sage Sri Narada goes and advises him to stop killing of animals as it is a great sin, and that the same animals would be waiting with their sharp horns to tear him to pieces, when he dies. Prachina-barhis withdraws to the forest to perform Tapasya and expiate his sins.> > Coming back, it all started in our group, when I pointed out to the group, the cruelty we are perpetrating on elephants in the name of religion and God when we keep them standing in the summer sun from dawn to dusk and again during the ensuing night.  I was watching the TV which was showing the Trichur Pooram couple of years ago, and I did watch continuously, to see whether the animals were being properly fed and given drinking water.  To my greatest consternation, I didnt find anything of such sort.  Out of those, two elephants were behaving a bit odd, standing aloof and raising their trunks as though they are going to trumpet.> > The next day, I read in the papers that two elephants were turning roguish, were isolated with punishment of tying tightly with chains, etc.> > It was not my intention to injure anybody's feelings or stand against celebrating Trichur pooram, etc., and all that i wanted to convey was that we should prevail upon the organisers to show more kindness to them, put up a shade to cover the area, give them proper food and water in time.  Unfortunately, many of our own members mistook my observations and came upon me like a ton of bricks, and I found a like-minded person in our NB Nairji who supported me wholeheartedly.> > At least, the people attending the Pooram festival can use umbrellas to protect themselves from the peak heat of summer, but what can the poor pachiderms with their god-given black skins standing in the hot sun and absorbing all the heat do?  If they protest by trumpeting asking for water, they are branded "Rogue" elephants!  > > If we travel by road from Palghat to Coimbatore by road during daytime, you casn see hundreds of poor cows, calves, bullocks, all being tied horn to horn and transported in lorries to slaughter-houses.> > Talk about SPCA ?  They can only tell you how to kill causing minimum pain to the animals.  They are not against cow slaughter or non-vegetarianism.> > It is my opinion that the problem is much much bigger than we all think. We can see only the tip of the iceberg, as it is not possible to turn all the NVs to Vs.  The day is not far off when the last quadruped is also eaten up and all the NVs will turn into cannibals and man will eat man.> > I humbly request Shri BCVK and others to give serious thought to all these aspects before taking any crash decisions.> > Warmest regards> KVG.> > >      > On Fri, Nov 20, 2009 at 7:55 AM, Jayasree Menon <euroanuster@ gmail.com> wrote:> >> >  > >> > Hari Om!> >  > >  > > Today after seeing Shri KVGji's mail i came to know that there is a society being formed against killing of animals and protection of them. It is simply overwhelming! While I have noticed that Shri Panickerji from US spreads this message alongwith his signature in all the mails, we would need to have a wider spreading of message like this by forming a society etc. to strengthen the action and create an awareness among such forces which are materialistically beyond our reach.> >  > > All the best KVGji. > > Om Namo Narayanaya.. ..> >> > 2009/11/19 K.V Gopalakrishna <gopalakrishna. kv (AT) gmail (DOT) com>> >>> >>  > >>> >> Dear BCVK and others,> >> Please give it a simple name, so that anybody who looks at it even for the first time will be able to understand what it is all about, rather than looking for the expansion. I suggest some simple name like "ANIMAL PROTECTION SOCIETY" or "MRUGA-SAMRAKSHANA- SANGHAM" or something to that effect.> >>> >> Further, we should not forget that there is a SPCA (Society for Prevention of Cruelty to Animals), already in existence, and we can always appeal to them. If they are not doing their job, we have to either support and help them in their endeavours, or if they are not doing their job, we have to represent to the Animal Welfare Board.> >>> >> We should also remember that as individuals, our voice will never be heard, but if we form groups at every city in sufficient numbers, we MAY be effective in our efforts.  So we have to form chapters of the society at every city and gather names of interested personnel and volunteers.> >> Regards> >> KVG.> >>> >> I feel extremely sorry that I could not be present for the meeting due to my age and related problems, but I have been following on the write-ups of members.> >>> >> On Thu, Nov 19, 2009 at 7:47 PM, Venkata krishnan bcvk71 > wrote:> >>>> >>> Dear Rajanganesh and All,> >>>                              I have thought over and arrieved at a name for the Website and egroup in English.> >>> Reconstruction and Protection of World and Life Foundation abridged as RAPOWAL Foundation.Think over this and improve over this.This name covers every aspect of our ideas.> >>> B.C.VENKATAKRISHNAN .> >>> e-mail: bcvk71 > >>> ____________ _________ _________ __> >>> Kamlesh Nair <veryytterium@ gmail.com>> >>> bcvk71 ; Rajanganesh. TS (AT) cognizant (DOT) com; aaviskar2006@ .co. in; sunanda.thali@ gmail.com; Krishna (AT) dsrc (DOT) co.in; hrvalid (AT) hotmail (DOT) com; blueheavenstar@ gmail.com> >>> Thu, November 19, 2009 7:15:44 PM> >>> Fwd: Fw: Climate chief Lord Stern: give up meat to save the planet> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------> >>> Veryytterium <veryytterium@ >> >>> Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 4:43 PM> >>> Fw: Climate chief Lord Stern: give up meat to save the planet> >>> veryytterium@ gmail.com> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> --- On Mon, 10/26/09, Veryytterium <veryytterium@ > wrote:> >>>> >>> Veryytterium <veryytterium@ >> >>> Climate chief Lord Stern: give up meat to save the planet> >>> guruvayur@grou ps.com> >>> Monday, October 26, 2009, 9:20 PM> >>>> >>> namo narayana> >>>  > >>> Respected all,> >>>  > >>> As we in this group discuss about the issues of meat eating and animal abuse, almost concurrently the leaders of the world are discussing about a very closely related important topic which will impact all us.> >>>  > >>> This topic is "Climate Change" which was blamed for the unusual monsoon patterns this year, creating drought and massive floods at the same time. This climate change is  attributed to a “MEAT EATING†by intensive factory farming amongst other man-made factors.> >>>  > >>> In intensive factory farming, in order to get the most meat/eggs/milk/ leather etc. the population of the animals is artificially increased by techniques such as artificial insemination. This unbalanced population explosion causes a huge strain on the global natural resources such a water, grains, plants, electricity etc. The animals are very inefficient converters of the natural resources into edible protein and this causes a very high imbalance in the input of natural resources and the output which is "edible meat" which has a very high “carbon footprintâ€.> >>>  > >>> In simple terms, growing crops in a unit of land will yield more calories of food than if used for meat production, and with the added bonus of not polluting the environment. Meat production involves a huge waste of natural resources as an animal can yield only a fraction of its body mass as edible meat. Hence meat is a very "High Carbon" food, which places enormous burdens on the natural ecosystems. While factory farming strips fresh water, plants, green grass for the animals which could be used to grow crops, the factory animals themselves emit carbon dioxide, and methane as well as their process waste thus further harming the environment.> >>>  > >>> In an interview with The Times, Lord Stern of Brentford said: “Meat is a wasteful use of water and creates a lot of greenhouse gases. It puts enormous pressure on the world’s resources. A vegetarian diet is better.â€> >>>  > >>>  http://www.timesonl ine.co.uk/ tol/news/ environment/ article6891362. ece> >>>  > >>>  http://www.mnn. com/lifestyle/ health/stories/ swedes-begin- labeling- food-emissions> >>>  > >>> Our Rishis had always emphasized on Vegetarianism which is ethically, spiritually, religiously, medically, economically, ecologically highly advanced than meat-eating.> >>>  > >>> Isn’t it surprising that we Hindus ignore the directions given in our scriptures, but never hesitate to follow the same when preached by the so called "advanced western" civilization.> >>>  > >>> Becoming Vegetarian will not only save us from flash floods, global warming and a host of other evils in this life, but will also save us from the incredible tortures of Hell in the next life, for causing so much needless suffering and death to innocent animals for our cravings for flesh and animal products like factory produced milk and eggs.> >>>  > >>> Else we shall truly will pay a very high price for our addictions!> >>>  > >>> Sarvam Sri Krishnaarpanamastu> >>>  > >>> Sincerely,> >>>  > >>> Kamlesh> >>>> >>>  > >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >> --> >> कृषà¥à¤£à¥‡à¤¤à¤¿ मंगलमॠनाम यसà¥à¤¯ वाचि पà¥à¤°à¤µà¤°à¥à¤¤à¤¤à¥‡ |> >> भसà¥à¤®à¥€à¤­à¤µà¤¨à¥à¤¤à¤¿ तसà¥à¤¯à¤¾à¤¶à¥ महापातककोटयः ||  > >> കൃഷàµà´¨àµà´¨àµ†à´¤à´¿  മംഗളം  നാമ  യസàµà´¯  വാചി  പàµà´°à´µà´°àµâ€à´¤àµà´¤à´¤àµ‡        > >> ഭാസàµà´®àµ€à´­à´µà´¨àµà´¤à´¿  തസàµà´¯à´¾à´¶àµ  മഹാപാതകകൊടയ:   .> >>> >> >> >> > --> > Best regards> >> > Jayasree Menon> > Bangalore> > +9900149461> > my blog link: http://www.pythruka m.blogspot. com/> > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -----> > A well-thought out plan, execution excellence, market timing, personal leadership are drivers of the growth  trajectory.> >> > > > > --> कृषà¥à¤£à¥‡à¤¤à¤¿ मंगलमॠनाम यसà¥à¤¯ वाचि पà¥à¤°à¤µà¤°à¥à¤¤à¤¤à¥‡ |> भसà¥à¤®à¥€à¤­à¤µà¤¨à¥à¤¤à¤¿ तसà¥à¤¯à¤¾à¤¶à¥ महापातककोटयः ||  > കൃഷàµà´¨àµà´¨àµ†à´¤à´¿  മംഗളം  നാമ  യസàµà´¯  വാചി  പàµà´°à´µà´°àµâ€à´¤àµà´¤à´¤àµ‡        > ഭാസàµà´®àµ€à´­à´µà´¨àµà´¤à´¿  തസàµà´¯à´¾à´¶àµ  മഹാപാതകകൊടയ:   .>