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HARI AUM

Dear Achuthan Nairji and other Guruvayur Devotees. The present order of Central

Zoo Authority is a very, very welcome one. It is a bold decision taken against

many odds. Let us hope it is the start of a series of orders finally bringing

an end to the sufferings of these majestic children of Mother Nature.

In spite of vigorous and continued efforts by many leading NGOs such laws are

yet to be brought out even in many American States. Here the basic principle

involved is that these wild animals are not for the entertainment (or even

education) of humans! As per a news item in the recent past the San Francisco

Zoo with its renewed facilities could not get permission to reopen their

Pachyderm Section having a vast area specially developed for the elephants.

However one major reason mentioned in the present order is the insufficiency of

facilities in Zoos and circus camps for these large animals.

As per this order these elephants will not be released to the wild as such. All

of them will be implanted with proper microchips and will be monitored for their

life. They will be under the care of forest departments for various duties in

the forest areas or released into specially protected forest regions.

It is a GREAT START. Let us hope this trend will continue and the benefits will

come to all elephants presently being held against the LAWS of MOTHER NATURE

under various excuses.

Regards to all fellow devotees,

urs affly nb nair.

guruvayur , " Tigers tail " <anair1101 wrote:

>

> Hari-om

>

> The animal loving gurudevas are excited about the release of zoo elephants.

But what about the other thousands of elephants in captivity by the logging

industry, Circuss, and temples?

> Again what guarantee is there that those elephants from the zoos will end up

in the forest reserve and NOT in the lumber yards ?

> Remember the time when the trees that lined up the roadside for years were cut

down and sold to the timber merchants on the lame excuse that those trees

obstructed traffic and was a danger to pedestrians ?

> Individuals with vested interests come up with novel ideas !

>

>

> jai shree krishna !

>

> Achuthan Nair

guruvayur , Chandra Menon <chandrasmenon2002@> wrote:

> >

> > Om Namo Narayanaya

> > Dear Shri Panickarji

> > Thank you and I totally agree with you when you said

> >  

> > " I am of the opinion that we should keep the discussion out of the present

group. Form another group and discuss it there and go from there. "

> > and in that group we all know who we are whom we are supporting at-least.

> >

> > I too echo these words of Kamlesh :-

> > " In my humble opinion, we need to reform ourselves first before even

thinking of reforming the other community. " Shall I say " others " ?

> > We are all different, physically and mentally, with different thinking,

different level of grasping power and understanding, from different parts of the

world, but fortunately are under one umbrella of Guruvayoor group, thanks to

Sunil for his effort and maintaining this forum.  In the past we were annoyed

over the Devaswom minister for his " views " about temples and its management.

We prayed Lord Guruvayoorappan, and Mr. G.Sudhakaran is no more Devaswom

minister. I am sure all members are aware of this. Our prayers were answered.

There are many members in our group who have personally experienced that

prayers are always answered and I have no hesitancy in saying fortunately I am

the one. 

> > I felt a world of relief when I read that zoo authorities decided to

release all the elephants from the Zoos due to atrocities meted out to them. Was

it due to the result of any particular group or individual's action? I

think definitely our prayers were answered here also. Now where they will be

dispatched is a problem not only for the Zoo authorities but also for the

general public and all lovers of Elephants.

> > About cows. I certainly do not want to harm the cows that are considered

" sacred "  by many. Instead of mass scale of " save the cows " can we at-least

protect " one " cow? Consider it as a " saha praaNi " if not as ones own mother?

In olden days back at home we had 3 cows and calves,well taken care of, but due

to the " changes " in the " society " in due course of  " time " everything changed

and to maintain a cow now is next to impossible due to space limitations. The

Government had taken the lands away from the erstwhile landlords

and distributed to landless thus the value of the society has completely

changed.

> > These are again from Panickarji's mail (in USA)

> >   " Now, there are stores where you can get milk and milk products made the

old way that is with out the torture of the cow and calf. "

> > marked appropriately. Again, some may not able to digest milk, but preparing

curd at home will surely supply necessary " elements " for growth from this type

of milk, which we use at home.

> > In Bhagavatham chapter 5 King Bharatha, whose name is associated with our

Bhaaratham, was a pious and righteous Ruler, but towards the end of his life

was attached to a deer and in his next birth was re-born as a deer. So too much

attachment with anything in this world is not adviseable.

> >  

> > About vegetables. Can we definitely say that plants and vegetables do not

have life? Most vegetables are normally amiable except " onions " that will make

one cry when cut (killed). Can we also say that all vegetables are

definitely safe for everyone? The " apples " that are displayed " shining " in

super markets are coated with wax and I am not sure what the wax will do when we

consume it? The green vegetables in cans with preservatives, " fresh "

vegetables sprayed with insecticides and disinfectants are really poisonous

in the long run for our health. In spite of all these hazards, life expectancy

has only increased but along with that  the diseases also. Each one should

control " desires " and eat moderately for sustenance of life. What else can we

do? Can we do anything without HIS blessings? I am sure our prayers and prayers

alone is the answer that will bring the results beneficial to all.   

> >  

> > A word of caution. Some of the supportive websites are " wolves clad in

sheep-skin " . Helping them in any form will bring our own destruction. Its one's

choice. 

> >

> > Om namo Narayanaya

> > Chandrasekharan

> >   " liive and let live "

> > " They alone live who live for others, rest are more dead than alive "

> >  

> >  

> >  

> >  

> > Dear Nairji, Savitriji and others,

> > Abstain from eating the flesh of dead creatures. Living organisms are to be

loved, not eaten. Vegetarians are perhaps not totally non-violent. But they are

certainly a few notches above the flesh-eaters in the ladder of non-violence.

Non-vegetarianism is good neither for the mind nor for the intellect, nor even

for the body. Saints and spiritual masters have invariably advocated

vegetarianism. Non-vegetarianism distorts the basic character of man. This

universe is the manifestation of but one mind. Alienation between one mind and

another mind is unnatural. The mind of man is in no way different from the mind

of any other creature. Love an insect, and it can be seen that it reciprocates.

Salvation is the ultimate outcome of non-violence.

> >

> > The above are not my words. This was said by Shree Vidyaadhiraaja Chattampi

Swamikal. Consuming pure Vegetarian food is very good in every sense. But even

vegetarian food can also be harm full if we don’t make the proper selection.

Recently I read that the silver colored thin lining using to cover the sweets we

get in Indian stores all over the world is animal products which lot of us

doesn’t know. 

> >

> >

> > I have seen some of you are thinking of becoming vegan also. That can also

be little tricky if we don’t make the proper selection of food. For processed

food, look at the labels. See if contains harmful chemical. Also find out how

vegetables are grown. If you can grow them yourself, do so. Majority of people

who are thinking of turning vegan is probably considering it because of the

cruelty to the animals in obtaining milk and milk products. Now, there are

stores where you can get milk and milk products made the old way that is with

out the torture of the cow and calf. Another point considered is after the

production stage is passed; the cows are killed and eaten. New let us think what

happen if we don’t use Milk products, will it stop that killing. I don’t

think so. What is then we can do?

> >

> > In my opinion also, the best thing to do is to educate people at the

grassroots level about the good and bad of eating habits. That can be done in

many ways. And as Nairji said, that is what I do. I had lot of critics for doing

this. Some even sent me very nasty emails in response to my email signatures.

Some argued with me saying that Hindus are meat eaters. The funniest thing was

that it was all the so-called Hindus who did this. But I just kept it on and

varied between flesh, alcohol, drugs and soda. I am happy that it worked and I

had few communications from Guruvayur group members also saying that my messages

did encourage them to change over. Even some people who opposed me have come

around and turned vegetarians now. I strongly believe that every thing we do, we

say and we write do produce energy and it travels and do make changes. Even

talking when none is listening can have effects.  So keep writing about it,

talking about it. It will bring

> > results. 

> >

> >

> > As Nairji said I don’t think we can stop the killing by taking any drastic

step. So the best thing is to do is turn vegetarian and encourage people to do

so. If you want to be vegan, make sure the substitutes you use are made with out

animal products and chemicals. And if you use milk products get the products

made in a humane way and take action to educate people on the good and bad of it

all.

> >

> >

> > The same way if elephants or any other animal is used to any purpose,

Temples or in labor force, it must be with compassion and with out hurting them.

For all these we can educate people. If some people feel that there should be a

separate organization go ahead and do so. Also keep the work on a person to

person level. Any opportunities you get to express and educate people about it

do so.

> >

> >

> > I am of the opinion that we should keep the discussion out of the present

group. Form another group and discuss it there and go from there. Mean while do

what ever you can. Email signatures, bumper stickers on your car, small labels

on the mail you send by post office. If you use printed stationary, print some

slogan on it. Use your own wording and quotes from Spiritual Masters and famous

people like Gandhi and Heroes like BheeshmAchArya. These all are good tools to

educate people.

> >

> > Also there are organizations doing similar work already and if any one wants

they can join them. For that last several years I am a member of PETA. PETA is

in India also now. And remember, some times they can get little too aggressive.

That may not do much good and may even turn counter productive.

> >

> > Wish you all healthy eating and successful educating.

> >

> > Thanks.

> >

> >

> > Sincerely

> >

> > Udhayabhanu Panickar

> >

> > aum namaHShivaaya

> > LET US NOT MAKE OUR STOMACH A GRAVEYARD. LET US NOT EAT FLESH.LET US BE

VEGETARIANS AND STAY HEALTHY. Animals are to be loved, not eaten. Eating flesh

is good neither for the mind nor for the intellect, not even for the body. It

distorts the basic character of human.

> >

> > --- On Mon, 11/23/09, Savitri Puram <savitriopuram@ gmail.com> wrote:

> >

> >

> > >Savitri Puram <savitriopuram@ gmail.com>

> > >Re: For your attn. pl Proposal of Name for our website and

e-group.

> > > " NBhaskaran Nair " <nbnair2000 >

> > >Cc: " Achuthan Nair " <anair1101 >, " Gopala Krishnan "

<gopalkrishna25@ .co. in>, " Indu " <sowparnika999@ gmail.com>, " K.V

Gopalakrishna " <gopalakrishna. kv (AT) gmail (DOT) com>, " Kamlesh " <veryytterium@

>, " marath Gopalakrishnan Nair " <mgk2007.nair@ gmail.com>, " Nair GG "

<ggnair51 (AT) (DOT) co.in>, " Sukumaran Thampi " <nsukruti (AT) gmail (DOT) com>, " Sukumaran

Thampi " <TRSThampi (AT) hotmail (DOT) com>, " Udayabhanu Panickar " <udhayabhanupanickar

@>, " Bhaskaran Nair " <nbnair (AT) gmail (DOT) com>

> > >Monday, November 23, 2009, 2:42 PM

> > >

> > >

> > >Dear Nairji,

> > >

> > >I perfectly agree with you and I also think that it should start at the

grass root level. As you mentioned, we have to clean up ourselves before

worrying about how dirty others are.

> > >

> > >As  Nairji said, in one of my earlier mails I said that Guruvayurappan or

any other God or Goddess will not be happy to see an elephant being treated like

this and we should introduce a look alike, life -size elephant made of wood or

any other material with movable ears and trunk etc so that with

nettippattom, beautiful rope ,melanki and other ornaments, it will almost look

like a real elephant and we are not hurting any living being. Aren't we using

" aal roopam " and different parts of our body made of silver, like eyes, ears etc

to offer at His feet? Isn't a symbolic offering of our parts of the body or

ourselves to Bhagavaan? In the modern day Yaagams, they are using cows made of

rice dough or " arimaavu " instead of a live cow. Also for Pashuddaanam " I have

seen people giving money, a dhothi etc and with sincere sankalppam of giving a

cow , give it to the deserving person.

> > >

> > >In the past, when I shared my loud thinking, reaction was negative and

forceful.So to avoid this unpleasant feelings in our Bhakthi group, I did not

want to continue the discussion. This is my humble outlook about this. I

believe in Sankalppam and Shankaracharyar has said: " I made these maanasa

Poojaas because power of sankalppam brings sankalppa siddhi. "

> > >

> > >There is no end to the cruelty towards other animals like cows, whales,

seals etc. and especially cows. Also the circus animals are victims of harsh and

unkind treatment, I am not sure how we can decrease the abuse except by creating

awareness in people in our own family, our friends and those who come in contact

with us.

> > >

> > >

> > >Regards and prayers

> > >

> > >Savitri

> > >

> > >

> > > 

> > >On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 11:13 AM, NBhaskaran Nair <nbnair2000 >

wrote:

> > >

> > >Hi,

> > >>This is for your special attn and comments if any pl.

> > >>urs affly nb nair.

> > >>

> > >>

> > >>NB Nair, Scientific Officer(Retired) ,

> > >>Bhabha Atomic Research Centre, Bombay.

> > >>Phone # 09869030507.

> > >>

> > >>The Golden Conduct-Rule applicable to almost all religions:

> > >>Do Unto Others As You Would Have Them Do Unto You

> > >>Ref. Religion for Dummies. ISBN: 07645-5264-3, page: 34.

> > >>

> > >>

> > >>

> > >>

> > >>

> > >>----- Forwarded Message ----

> > >>nbn <nbnair2000 >

> > >>guruvayur@grou ps.com

> > >>Mon, 23 November, 2009 9:55:52 AM

> > >>[Guruvayur] Re: Proposal of Name for our website and e-group.

> > >>

> > >> 

> > >>HARI AUM

> > >>It is heartening to learn that people, individually and in groups are out

tofeed hapless animals, give them shelter, etc.  But I sincerely appeal toall

concerned: don't waste your much valuable time and energy " to stopkilling by

others " . 

> > >>Once we believe vegetarianism is good we can always plead for it, advise

othersto change over, etc., like what our Panickerji does through his appeals

alwaysgiven under his signature in all mails.   But who are we to stopkilling

by " others " ? At least, as far as we continue the practice ofHIMSA, very nakedly,

in the name of " Devotion to GOD " , we don't haveany genuine right to impose

AHIMSA on " others " - it will be HYPOCRISYin its naked form - " My way and the

Wrong Way " policy.

> > >>On our own Guruvayur Group Forum many of our members had described how we

treatour " Cow Matas " in the so-called modern farms.  By hormonetreatments we

enlarge their stomachs and udders out of proportion, byartificial insemination

we make them give birth without intervals, take awaythe young ones from their

mothers, male progenies for immediate butchering andthe females for artificial

feeds and hormone treatments to continue the cycleof torture.  After all these

life-longtorture at the end they are also butchered: instead it would have been

morehumane if they are butchered right away so that they don't have to undergo

allthose sufferings.  Hence the cow milkthat we get these days are more a

product of SIN than meat!  Like cows our temple elephants are alsodoomed for

their lives, once in our custody. They never get a day's normal life. So

before embarking on cleaning the neighbourhood let us try to cleanour own house

to the extent possible †" let

> > us use our time and energy for thatwith utmost priority.

> > >>Before accusing " OTHERS " look into a mirror, look within,and make that

image worth worshipping, heed Gurudeva's Advice.    

> > >>WithDue Respects for all,

> > >>ursaffly nb nair.

> >

> > ________________________________

> > Udayabhanu Panickar <udhayabhanupanickar@>

> > NBhaskaran Nair <nbnair2000@>; Savitri Puram <savitriopuram@>; Guruvayur

<guruvayur >

> > Cc: Achuthan Nair <anair1101@>; Gopala Krishnan <gopalkrishna25@>; Indu

<sowparnika999@>; K.V Gopalakrishna <gopalakrishna.kv@>; Kamlesh

<veryytterium@>; marath Gopalakrishnan Nair <mgk2007.nair@>; Nair GG

<ggnair51@>; Sukumaran Thampi <nsukruti@>; Sukumaran Thampi <TRSThampi@>;

Bhaskaran Nair <nbnair@>

> > Mon, November 23, 2009 10:25:29 PM

> > [Guruvayur] Re: For your attn. pl Proposal of Name for our website

and e-group.

> >

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