Guest guest Posted December 14, 2009 Report Share Posted December 14, 2009 Dear all, Here is a dialogue between a curious non-Hindu and a learned Hindu A non- Hindu : Respected sir, why do Hindus worship so many Gods? And it seems Ganesha and Karthikeya are sons of one of your Goddess Parvathy. And Parvathy is the sister of Lord Krishna etc. Hindu: Sir, our God, your God and all Gods of all religions are the same. But to make ordinary people understand the concept of God, seers of the past meditated upon special combinations of letters called Manthraas (after trying several different combinations they came up with certain divine combinations) and the indescribable Power appeared to them in divine forms. For example, when they meditated upon the combination of letters OM namo Naaraayanaaya, a certain form which filled the whole universe appeared and they called them Vishnu. When they meditated upon Om Namo Bhgavathe Vaasudevaaya, they could see another form of the same power. They tried another combination Om Nama shivaaya and saw another form which they called Shiva. Then Sree durgaayai Nama: gave a female form and they called that form Durga, then Lakshmi etc. But they knew that all these forms are only manifestations of the same power or parmaathma chaithanyam. Let me explain to you in a more convincing way. There was a lady who was member of a large family of ten. She was the eighth or ninth child. Let us call her Sathi. She was an AUNT when she was born, to many nieces and nephews who were older than her. This happened because her eldest sister was 23 years older than her! So she was a DAUGHTER to her parents, she was YOUNGER SISTER to her elder brothers and sisters, at the same time she was a GRANDDAUGHTER, she was a NIECE to her mother's and father's siblings. When she grew up she became a WIFE, she became a DAUGHTER-IN LAW, she became a MOTHER and eventually she will become a GRANDMOTHER. The same person was known as all these people and everybody liked her as they saw her. Likewise, our God manifests in different forms with different names (vividha naamaroopam) and for some, as formless Paramaathma chaithanyam. He appears as Lord Shiva, Godess Parvathy , Lord Krishna. Lord Ganesha, Lord Karthikeya etc etc with divine attributes and also as sun, moon, stars and planets. Depending on the attitude of the person seeing Him, He is omnipresent or He is just in a deity in the temple. He fills the Universe as Viraat Purushan, He is in Brahma, He is in an ant and He is in you and me! That is why we worship Him in many forms. It is not out of ignorance, but out of intelligence! Non-Hindu: Thank you for the explanation. Learned Hindu: Sir, Hindus use this explanation not to convert non-Hindus to Hindus, but to make people aware of Sanathana dharmam and you know we believe that there is no religion in this world other than Sanathana Dharmam. And it is not a religion, it is a way of life! Regards and prayers Savitri Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 15, 2009 Report Share Posted December 15, 2009 Om Namo NarayanayaDear Savitri Ji,It is a thought on the subject which you worte.There are stories about GODS in puranams from the time immemorial. Ordinary people accept it on the ground that, there must be something behind it, which cannot be grasped by the ordinary minds.But, now a days there are a lot of TV Serials telecast on Devi, Krishna, Ayyappa etc. wherein THEY are depicted with the extreme human qualities like anger, lust, crook, hate, love etc. etc. They fabricate the stories to stir the viewers' mind and to create anxiety in the people, in a competitive manner.The thing is that, in our purnams Lord Ganesha obtains the Mango from their parents by crook (eventhough we say that, "our parents is our world"), and therefore, Lord Muruka abandons HIS parents and in anger in such a way that the human beings act in such circumstances. Sometimes I think Lord Shiva, Parvathy, Ganesha, Muruka all they are GODs and how can they act like this for a silly matter. Skandan, being the master of vedantham would do such an act? And if done, what is the moral in that? There are a lot of stories in which the GODs behave with human qualities.In an another story in a TV Serial, a married young lady is disturbed by a Cruel man and Parashakthi knows about this from the beginning and doest not do anything until she is totally become useless. At last, DEVI comes and kills the man in a brutal way to satisfy the viewers' ego. I dont think that there are such stories in any puranams and even parashakthi herself does not know about these stories.All these stroies are justifiable for the poeple who are superstitious or immersed in blind bhakthi, without knowing the real GOD and IT's nature. Others will think about the difference between GOD and human being.Om Namo NarayanayaSuresh C. Kurup--- On Mon, 14/12/09, Savitri Puram <savitriopuram wrote:Savitri Puram <savitriopuram[Guruvayur] Namasthe- Worship of many GodsMonday, 14 December, 2009, 1:40 PM Dear all, Here is a dialogue between a curious non-Hindu and a learned Hindu A non- Hindu : Respected sir, why do Hindus worship so many Gods? And it seems Ganesha and Karthikeya are sons of one of your Goddess Parvathy. And Parvathy is the sister of Lord Krishna etc. Hindu: Sir, our God, your God and all Gods of all religions are the same. But to make ordinary people understand the concept of God, seers of the past meditated upon special combinations of letters called Manthraas (after trying several different combinations they came up with certain divine combinations) and the indescribable Power appeared to them in divine forms. For example, when they meditated upon the combination of letters OM namo Naaraayanaaya, a certain form which filled the whole universe appeared and they called them Vishnu. When they meditated upon Om Namo Bhgavathe Vaasudevaaya, they could see another form of the same power. They tried another combination Om Nama shivaaya and saw another form which they called Shiva. Then Sree durgaayai Nama: gave a female form and they called that form Durga, then Lakshmi etc. But they knew that all these forms are only manifestations of the same power or parmaathma chaithanyam. Let me explain to you in a more convincing way. There was a lady who was member of a large family of ten. She was the eighth or ninth child. Let us call her Sathi. She was an AUNT when she was born, to many nieces and nephews who were older than her. This happened because her eldest sister was 23 years older than her! So she was a DAUGHTER to her parents, she was YOUNGER SISTER to her elder brothers and sisters, at the same time she was a GRANDDAUGHTER, she was a NIECE to her mother's and father's siblings. When she grew up she became a WIFE, she became a DAUGHTER-IN LAW, she became a MOTHER and eventually she will become a GRANDMOTHER. The same person was known as all these people and everybody liked her as they saw her. Likewise, our God manifests in different forms with different names (vividha naamaroopam) and for some, as formless Paramaathma chaithanyam. He appears as Lord Shiva, Godess Parvathy , Lord Krishna. Lord Ganesha, Lord Karthikeya etc etc with divine attributes and also as sun, moon, stars and planets. Depending on the attitude of the person seeing Him, He is omnipresent or He is just in a deity in the temple. He fills the Universe as Viraat Purushan, He is in Brahma, He is in an ant and He is in you and me! That is why we worship Him in many forms. It is not out of ignorance, but out of intelligence! Non-Hindu: Thank you for the explanation. Learned Hindu: Sir, Hindus use this explanation not to convert non-Hindus to Hindus, but to make people aware of Sanathana dharmam and you know we believe that there is no religion in this world other than Sanathana Dharmam. And it is not a religion, it is a way of life! Regards and prayers Savitri The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 15, 2009 Report Share Posted December 15, 2009 Madam Savithriji, Bhakti is eternal. An excellent elucidation! A small question and appropriate answer explicitly describes that God though seen in different forms is one and that is Paramatma. I have no words to explain the joy, but felt. With regards, Sastry --- On Mon, 12/14/09, Savitri Puram <savitriopuram wrote: Savitri Puram <savitriopuram[Guruvayur] Namasthe- Worship of many GodsMonday, December 14, 2009, 1:40 PM Dear all, Here is a dialogue between a curious non-Hindu and a learned Hindu A non- Hindu : Respected sir, why do Hindus worship so many Gods? And it seems Ganesha and Karthikeya are sons of one of your Goddess Parvathy. And Parvathy is the sister of Lord Krishna etc. Hindu: Sir, our God, your God and all Gods of all religions are the same. But to make ordinary people understand the concept of God, seers of the past meditated upon special combinations of letters called Manthraas (after trying several different combinations they came up with certain divine combinations) and the indescribable Power appeared to them in divine forms. For example, when they meditated upon the combination of letters OM namo Naaraayanaaya, a certain form which filled the whole universe appeared and they called them Vishnu. When they meditated upon Om Namo Bhgavathe Vaasudevaaya, they could see another form of the same power. They tried another combination Om Nama shivaaya and saw another form which they called Shiva. Then Sree durgaayai Nama: gave a female form and they called that form Durga, then Lakshmi etc. But they knew that all these forms are only manifestations of the same power or parmaathma chaithanyam. Let me explain to you in a more convincing way. There was a lady who was member of a large family of ten. She was the eighth or ninth child. Let us call her Sathi. She was an AUNT when she was born, to many nieces and nephews who were older than her. This happened because her eldest sister was 23 years older than her! So she was a DAUGHTER to her parents, she was YOUNGER SISTER to her elder brothers and sisters, at the same time she was a GRANDDAUGHTER, she was a NIECE to her mother's and father's siblings. When she grew up she became a WIFE, she became a DAUGHTER-IN LAW, she became a MOTHER and eventually she will become a GRANDMOTHER. The same person was known as all these people and everybody liked her as they saw her. Likewise, our God manifests in different forms with different names (vividha naamaroopam) and for some, as formless Paramaathma chaithanyam. He appears as Lord Shiva, Godess Parvathy , Lord Krishna. Lord Ganesha, Lord Karthikeya etc etc with divine attributes and also as sun, moon, stars and planets. Depending on the attitude of the person seeing Him, He is omnipresent or He is just in a deity in the temple. He fills the Universe as Viraat Purushan, He is in Brahma, He is in an ant and He is in you and me! That is why we worship Him in many forms. It is not out of ignorance, but out of intelligence! Non-Hindu: Thank you for the explanation. Learned Hindu: Sir, Hindus use this explanation not to convert non-Hindus to Hindus, but to make people aware of Sanathana dharmam and you know we believe that there is no religion in this world other than Sanathana Dharmam. And it is not a religion, it is a way of life! Regards and prayers Savitri Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 15, 2009 Report Share Posted December 15, 2009 Why to go to learned hindu and...............after all their knowledge is limited/ When OUR KRISHNA has made it clear,in, SARVA DHARMAN.....................MAA SUU SHA HE alone is god and rest are HIS subordinates narayana krishnamoorthi On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 10:35 PM, SURESH C KURUP <sureshckurup wrote: Om Namo NarayanayaDear Savitri Ji,It is a thought on the subject which you worte.There are stories about GODS in puranams from the time immemorial. Ordinary people accept it on the ground that, there must be something behind it, which cannot be grasped by the ordinary minds. But, now a days there are a lot of TV Serials telecast on Devi, Krishna, Ayyappa etc. wherein THEY are depicted with the extreme human qualities like anger, lust, crook, hate, love etc. etc. They fabricate the stories to stir the viewers' mind and to create anxiety in the people, in a competitive manner. The thing is that, in our purnams Lord Ganesha obtains the Mango from their parents by crook (eventhough we say that, " our parents is our world " ), and therefore, Lord Muruka abandons HIS parents and in anger in such a way that the human beings act in such circumstances. Sometimes I think Lord Shiva, Parvathy, Ganesha, Muruka all they are GODs and how can they act like this for a silly matter. Skandan, being the master of vedantham would do such an act? And if done, what is the moral in that? There are a lot of stories in which the GODs behave with human qualities. In an another story in a TV Serial, a married young lady is disturbed by a Cruel man and Parashakthi knows about this from the beginning and doest not do anything until she is totally become useless. At last, DEVI comes and kills the man in a brutal way to satisfy the viewers' ego. I dont think that there are such stories in any puranams and even parashakthi herself does not know about these stories. All these stroies are justifiable for the poeple who are superstitious or immersed in blind bhakthi, without knowing the real GOD and IT's nature. Others will think about the difference between GOD and human being. Om Namo NarayanayaSuresh C. Kurup--- On Mon, 14/12/09, Savitri Puram <savitriopuram wrote: Savitri Puram <savitriopuram[Guruvayur] Namasthe- Worship of many Gods Monday, 14 December, 2009, 1:40 PM Dear all, Here is a dialogue between a curious non-Hindu and a learned Hindu A non- Hindu : Respected sir, why do Hindus worship so many Gods? And it seems Ganesha and Karthikeya are sons of one of your Goddess Parvathy. And Parvathy is the sister of Lord Krishna etc. Hindu: Sir, our God, your God and all Gods of all religions are the same. But to make ordinary people understand the concept of God, seers of the past meditated upon special combinations of letters called Manthraas (after trying several different combinations they came up with certain divine combinations) and the indescribable Power appeared to them in divine forms. For example, when they meditated upon the combination of letters OM namo Naaraayanaaya, a certain form which filled the whole universe appeared and they called them Vishnu. When they meditated upon Om Namo Bhgavathe Vaasudevaaya, they could see another form of the same power. They tried another combination Om Nama shivaaya and saw another form which they called Shiva. Then Sree durgaayai Nama: gave a female form and they called that form Durga, then Lakshmi etc. But they knew that all these forms are only manifestations of the same power or parmaathma chaithanyam. Let me explain to you in a more convincing way. There was a lady who was member of a large family of ten. She was the eighth or ninth child. Let us call her Sathi. She was an AUNT when she was born, to many nieces and nephews who were older than her. This happened because her eldest sister was 23 years older than her! So she was a DAUGHTER to her parents, she was YOUNGER SISTER to her elder brothers and sisters, at the same time she was a GRANDDAUGHTER, she was a NIECE to her mother's and father's siblings. When she grew up she became a WIFE, she became a DAUGHTER-IN LAW, she became a MOTHER and eventually she will become a GRANDMOTHER. The same person was known as all these people and everybody liked her as they saw her. Likewise, our God manifests in different forms with different names (vividha naamaroopam) and for some, as formless Paramaathma chaithanyam. He appears as Lord Shiva, Godess Parvathy , Lord Krishna. Lord Ganesha, Lord Karthikeya etc etc with divine attributes and also as sun, moon, stars and planets. Depending on the attitude of the person seeing Him, He is omnipresent or He is just in a deity in the temple. He fills the Universe as Viraat Purushan, He is in Brahma, He is in an ant and He is in you and me! That is why we worship Him in many forms. It is not out of ignorance, but out of intelligence! Non-Hindu: Thank you for the explanation. Learned Hindu: Sir, Hindus use this explanation not to convert non-Hindus to Hindus, but to make people aware of Sanathana dharmam and you know we believe that there is no religion in this world other than Sanathana Dharmam. And it is not a religion, it is a way of life! Regards and prayers Savitri The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 15, 2009 Report Share Posted December 15, 2009 Dear Sureshji, I agree with you about TV serials. We did watch one serial Guruvayurappan and after about 60 episodes or so we stopped watching because it was far from the our expectaions of a story about Guruvayurappan. But in this vast world, one cannot make others think or act as per our expectations. We may not be acting to meet so many other's expectations. So we have to leave a wide margin and then go forward. Personally I think Ganesha's story is to emphasize the importance of parents who are our prathyksha daivams. Often stories of puranas have symbolic significance which may not be revealed explicitly. In this story how one's knowledge and intelligence helps one to win also is illustrated. I have heard that when kathikeya flew around the world stopping at different sacred places, he found Ganesha also there. Karthikeya was surprised and wondered how did Ganesha, with his huge body and tiny mouse manage to get there faster than Him? When he knew the truth, he readily accepted Ganesh's superior intelligence and how He viewed their parents Lord Shiva nd Goddess Parvathy as His universe. Later Ganesha actually offered the mango to his upset brother. This incident actually helped the playful and immature Karthikeya to grow up and later he became " surasianya nathan " . This is my humble opinion about this story. I may be wrong. Regards and prayers Savitri On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 12:35 AM, SURESH C KURUP <sureshckurup wrote: Om Namo NarayanayaDear Savitri Ji,It is a thought on the subject which you worte.There are stories about GODS in puranams from the time immemorial. Ordinary people accept it on the ground that, there must be something behind it, which cannot be grasped by the ordinary minds. But, now a days there are a lot of TV Serials telecast on Devi, Krishna, Ayyappa etc. wherein THEY are depicted with the extreme human qualities like anger, lust, crook, hate, love etc. etc. They fabricate the stories to stir the viewers' mind and to create anxiety in the people, in a competitive manner. The thing is that, in our purnams Lord Ganesha obtains the Mango from their parents by crook (eventhough we say that, " our parents is our world " ), and therefore, Lord Muruka abandons HIS parents and in anger in such a way that the human beings act in such circumstances. Sometimes I think Lord Shiva, Parvathy, Ganesha, Muruka all they are GODs and how can they act like this for a silly matter. Skandan, being the master of vedantham would do such an act? And if done, what is the moral in that? There are a lot of stories in which the GODs behave with human qualities. In an another story in a TV Serial, a married young lady is disturbed by a Cruel man and Parashakthi knows about this from the beginning and doest not do anything until she is totally become useless. At last, DEVI comes and kills the man in a brutal way to satisfy the viewers' ego. I dont think that there are such stories in any puranams and even parashakthi herself does not know about these stories. All these stroies are justifiable for the poeple who are superstitious or immersed in blind bhakthi, without knowing the real GOD and IT's nature. Others will think about the difference between GOD and human being. Om Namo NarayanayaSuresh C. Kurup --- On Mon, 14/12/09, Savitri Puram <savitriopuram wrote: Savitri Puram <savitriopuram[Guruvayur] Namasthe- Worship of many GodsMonday, 14 December, 2009, 1:40 PM Dear all, Here is a dialogue between a curious non-Hindu and a learned Hindu A non- Hindu : Respected sir, why do Hindus worship so many Gods? And it seems Ganesha and Karthikeya are sons of one of your Goddess Parvathy. And Parvathy is the sister of Lord Krishna etc. Hindu: Sir, our God, your God and all Gods of all religions are the same. But to make ordinary people understand the concept of God, seers of the past meditated upon special combinations of letters called Manthraas (after trying several different combinations they came up with certain divine combinations) and the indescribable Power appeared to them in divine forms. For example, when they meditated upon the combination of letters OM namo Naaraayanaaya, a certain form which filled the whole universe appeared and they called them Vishnu. When they meditated upon Om Namo Bhgavathe Vaasudevaaya, they could see another form of the same power. They tried another combination Om Nama shivaaya and saw another form which they called Shiva. Then Sree durgaayai Nama: gave a female form and they called that form Durga, then Lakshmi etc. But they knew that all these forms are only manifestations of the same power or parmaathma chaithanyam. Let me explain to you in a more convincing way. There was a lady who was member of a large family of ten. She was the eighth or ninth child. Let us call her Sathi. She was an AUNT when she was born, to many nieces and nephews who were older than her. This happened because her eldest sister was 23 years older than her! So she was a DAUGHTER to her parents, she was YOUNGER SISTER to her elder brothers and sisters, at the same time she was a GRANDDAUGHTER, she was a NIECE to her mother's and father's siblings. When she grew up she became a WIFE, she became a DAUGHTER-IN LAW, she became a MOTHER and eventually she will become a GRANDMOTHER. The same person was known as all these people and everybody liked her as they saw her. Likewise, our God manifests in different forms with different names (vividha naamaroopam) and for some, as formless Paramaathma chaithanyam. He appears as Lord Shiva, Godess Parvathy , Lord Krishna. Lord Ganesha, Lord Karthikeya etc etc with divine attributes and also as sun, moon, stars and planets. Depending on the attitude of the person seeing Him, He is omnipresent or He is just in a deity in the temple. He fills the Universe as Viraat Purushan, He is in Brahma, He is in an ant and He is in you and me! That is why we worship Him in many forms. It is not out of ignorance, but out of intelligence! Non-Hindu: Thank you for the explanation. Learned Hindu: Sir, Hindus use this explanation not to convert non-Hindus to Hindus, but to make people aware of Sanathana dharmam and you know we believe that there is no religion in this world other than Sanathana Dharmam. And it is not a religion, it is a way of life! Regards and prayers Savitri The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! 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Guest guest Posted December 16, 2009 Report Share Posted December 16, 2009 Dear Friends, This also may not be directly connected to bhakthi. But earlier also there was a discussion on TV serial and I wanted to write at that time. But I did not. As the subject again came up, let me touch a little on that. Most of the present day TV serials are just catering to the specific sponsor, meaning who advertises during the Telecast of that program and most of the time the script and story must be approved by them and the writer have to be of their choice. At times even they have their own people to do the writing. I don't watch them as an entertainment but I do watch them to see how they are destroying our culture and how they tarnish our spiritual values and culture. I found them to be very painful. There is no way out from this as except Amrita TV is owned by people who don't give much value to our culture and spirituality. (Even some of the employees at Amrita TV are from the opposing group and you could see the proof for this in some of the programs and commercials.) In shot the creators of Malayalam TV serials are either have no values for our culture or are unqualified to make them. Our film industry is also the same. The people who own most of the production companies are the same and writers write what they want. Some writers who have power to write their own way don't have any respect for our culture or spiritual values. And some of them are even out to destroy our spiritual values and culture. This is not much different in other languages of bhAratham either, especially in Hindi and English media. In the early history of TV in Hindi there were people who did respect our spiritual values and we do have some very valuable TV serials in Hindi from that time. They are available on DVD and if you can understand Hindi do watch them. Some of them have English sub-titles and some are even dubbed into Malayalam. But the MalayAlam and English used may not keep a high standard for literary value. Thanks. Sincerely,Udayabhanu Panickaraum namaH Shivaaya Fiber Reduce Cholesterol and Blood Sugar. Antioxidants incapacitate cell-damaging free radicals in the body. Free radicals have been implicated for Cancer, Parkinson's and Alzheimer’s. Beans are high in fiber and antioxidants. Meat contains neither fiber nor Antioxidants. LET US NOT EAT FLESH. LET US EAT BEANS. --- On Tue, 12/15/09, Savitri Puram <savitriopuram wrote:Savitri Puram <savitriopuramRe: [Guruvayur] Namasthe- Worship of many Godsguruvayur Date: Tuesday, December 15, 2009, 5:18 PM Dear Sureshji, I agree with you about TV serials. We did watch one serial Guruvayurappan and after about 60 episodes or so we stopped watching because it was far from the our expectaions of a story about Guruvayurappan. But in this vast world, one cannot make others think or act as per our expectations. We may not be acting to meet so many other's expectations. So we have to leave a wide margin and then go forward. Personally I think Ganesha's story is to emphasize the importance of parents who are our prathyksha daivams. Often stories of puranas have symbolic significance which may not be revealed explicitly. In this story how one's knowledge and intelligence helps one to win also is illustrated. I have heard that when kathikeya flew around the world stopping at different sacred places, he found Ganesha also there. Karthikeya was surprised and wondered how did Ganesha, with his huge body and tiny mouse manage to get there faster than Him? When he knew the truth, he readily accepted Ganesh's superior intelligence and how He viewed their parents Lord Shiva nd Goddess Parvathy as His universe. Later Ganesha actually offered the mango to his upset brother. This incident actually helped the playful and immature Karthikeya to grow up and later he became "surasianya nathan". This is my humble opinion about this story. I may be wrong. Regards and prayers Savitri On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 12:35 AM, SURESH C KURUP <sureshckurup@ > wrote: Om Namo NarayanayaDear Savitri Ji,It is a thought on the subject which you worte.There are stories about GODS in puranams from the time immemorial. Ordinary people accept it on the ground that, there must be something behind it, which cannot be grasped by the ordinary minds. But, now a days there are a lot of TV Serials telecast on Devi, Krishna, Ayyappa etc. wherein THEY are depicted with the extreme human qualities like anger, lust, crook, hate, love etc. etc. They fabricate the stories to stir the viewers' mind and to create anxiety in the people, in a competitive manner. The thing is that, in our purnams Lord Ganesha obtains the Mango from their parents by crook (eventhough we say that, "our parents is our world"), and therefore, Lord Muruka abandons HIS parents and in anger in such a way that the human beings act in such circumstances. Sometimes I think Lord Shiva, Parvathy, Ganesha, Muruka all they are GODs and how can they act like this for a silly matter. Skandan, being the master of vedantham would do such an act? And if done, what is the moral in that? There are a lot of stories in which the GODs behave with human qualities. In an another story in a TV Serial, a married young lady is disturbed by a Cruel man and Parashakthi knows about this from the beginning and doest not do anything until she is totally become useless. At last, DEVI comes and kills the man in a brutal way to satisfy the viewers' ego. I dont think that there are such stories in any puranams and even parashakthi herself does not know about these stories. All these stroies are justifiable for the poeple who are superstitious or immersed in blind bhakthi, without knowing the real GOD and IT's nature. Others will think about the difference between GOD and human being. Om Namo NarayanayaSuresh C. Kurup --- On Mon, 14/12/09, Savitri Puram <savitriopuram@ gmail.com> wrote: Savitri Puram <savitriopuram@ gmail.com>[Guruvayur] Namasthe- Worship of many GodsMonday, 14 December, 2009, 1:40 PM Dear all, Here is a dialogue between a curious non-Hindu and a learned Hindu A non- Hindu : Respected sir, why do Hindus worship so many Gods? And it seems Ganesha and Karthikeya are sons of one of your Goddess Parvathy. And Parvathy is the sister of Lord Krishna etc. Hindu: Sir, our God, your God and all Gods of all religions are the same. But to make ordinary people understand the concept of God, seers of the past meditated upon special combinations of letters called Manthraas (after trying several different combinations they came up with certain divine combinations) and the indescribable Power appeared to them in divine forms. For example, when they meditated upon the combination of letters OM namo Naaraayanaaya, a certain form which filled the whole universe appeared and they called them Vishnu. When they meditated upon Om Namo Bhgavathe Vaasudevaaya, they could see another form of the same power. They tried another combination Om Nama shivaaya and saw another form which they called Shiva. Then Sree durgaayai Nama: gave a female form and they called that form Durga, then Lakshmi etc. But they knew that all these forms are only manifestations of the same power or parmaathma chaithanyam. Let me explain to you in a more convincing way. There was a lady who was member of a large family of ten. She was the eighth or ninth child. Let us call her Sathi. She was an AUNT when she was born, to many nieces and nephews who were older than her. This happened because her eldest sister was 23 years older than her! So she was a DAUGHTER to her parents, she was YOUNGER SISTER to her elder brothers and sisters, at the same time she was a GRANDDAUGHTER, she was a NIECE to her mother's and father's siblings. When she grew up she became a WIFE, she became a DAUGHTER-IN LAW, she became a MOTHER and eventually she will become a GRANDMOTHER. The same person was known as all these people and everybody liked her as they saw her. Likewise, our God manifests in different forms with different names (vividha naamaroopam) and for some, as formless Paramaathma chaithanyam. He appears as Lord Shiva, Godess Parvathy , Lord Krishna. Lord Ganesha, Lord Karthikeya etc etc with divine attributes and also as sun, moon, stars and planets. Depending on the attitude of the person seeing Him, He is omnipresent or He is just in a deity in the temple. He fills the Universe as Viraat Purushan, He is in Brahma, He is in an ant and He is in you and me! That is why we worship Him in many forms. It is not out of ignorance, but out of intelligence! Non-Hindu: Thank you for the explanation. Learned Hindu: Sir, Hindus use this explanation not to convert non-Hindus to Hindus, but to make people aware of Sanathana dharmam and you know we believe that there is no religion in this world other than Sanathana Dharmam. And it is not a religion, it is a way of life! Regards and prayers Savitri The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 16, 2009 Report Share Posted December 16, 2009 Respected Sureshji, I humbly request you to please not to go after the T.V. Serials since they are all fabricated stories to get viewership . Like Savitriji , We too have stopped watching one Serial Named Guruvayoorappan telecasted by one of the leading Malayalam Channels since it introduced a New charector named KIMVADAN .Being some one who is born and brought up in Guruvayoor , I have never heard of such a charector in my life . Since there was vast difference from what I have learned and being telecasted , we decided not to watch any other serials based on Gods. Gopalakrishnan guruvayur , SURESH C KURUP <sureshckurup wrote: > > Om Namo Narayanaya > > Dear Savitri Ji, > > It is a thought on the subject which you worte. > > There are stories about GODS in puranams from the time immemorial. Ordinary people accept it on the ground that, there must be something behind it, which cannot be grasped by the ordinary minds. > > But, now a days there are a lot of TV Serials telecast on Devi, Krishna, Ayyappa etc. wherein THEY are depicted with the extreme human qualities like anger, lust, crook, hate, love etc. etc. They fabricate the stories to stir the viewers' mind and to create anxiety in the people, in a competitive manner. > > The thing is that, in our purnams Lord Ganesha obtains the Mango from their parents by crook (eventhough we say that, " our parents is our world " ), and therefore, Lord Muruka abandons HIS parents and in anger in such a way that the human beings act in such circumstances. Sometimes I think Lord Shiva, Parvathy, Ganesha, Muruka all they are GODs and how can they act like this for a silly matter. Skandan, being the master of vedantham would do such an act? And if done, what is the moral in that? There are a lot of stories in which the GODs behave with human qualities. > > In an another story in a TV Serial, a married young lady is disturbed by a Cruel man and Parashakthi knows about this from the beginning and doest not do anything until she is totally become useless. At last, DEVI comes and kills the man in a brutal way to satisfy the viewers' ego. I dont think that there are such stories in any puranams and even parashakthi herself does not know about these stories. > > All these stroies are justifiable for the poeple who are superstitious or immersed in blind bhakthi, without knowing the real GOD and IT's nature. Others will think about the difference between GOD and human being. > > Om Namo Narayanaya > > Suresh C. Kurup > > > > > --- On Mon, 14/12/09, Savitri Puram <savitriopuram wrote: > > Savitri Puram <savitriopuram > [Guruvayur] Namasthe- Worship of many Gods > To: > Monday, 14 December, 2009, 1:40 PM >  > > > Dear all, > > Here is a dialogue between a curious non-Hindu and a learned Hindu > > A non- Hindu : Respected sir, why do Hindus worship so many Gods? And it seems Ganesha and Karthikeya are sons of one of your Goddess Parvathy. And Parvathy is the sister of Lord Krishna etc. > > Hindu: Sir, our God, your God and all Gods of all religions are the same. But to make ordinary people understand the concept of God, seers of the past meditated upon special combinations of letters called Manthraas (after trying several different combinations they came up with certain divine combinations) and the indescribable Power appeared to them in divine forms. For example, when they meditated upon the combination of letters OM namo Naaraayanaaya, a certain form which filled the whole universe appeared and they called them Vishnu. When they meditated upon Om Namo Bhgavathe Vaasudevaaya, they could see another form of the same power. They tried another combination Om Nama shivaaya and saw another form which they called Shiva. Then Sree durgaayai Nama: gave a female form and they called that form Durga, then Lakshmi etc. But they knew that all these forms are only manifestations of the same power or parmaathma chaithanyam. > > > Let me explain to you in a more convincing way. There was a lady who was member of a large family of ten. She was the eighth or ninth child. Let us call her Sathi. She was an AUNT when she was born, to many nieces and nephews who were older than her. This happened because her eldest sister was 23 years older than her! So she was a DAUGHTER to her parents, she was YOUNGER SISTER to her elder brothers and sisters, at the same time she was a GRANDDAUGHTER, she was a NIECE to her mother's and father's siblings. When she grew up she became a WIFE, she became a DAUGHTER-IN LAW, she became a MOTHER and eventually she will become a GRANDMOTHER. The same person was known as all these people and everybody liked her as they saw her. > > > Likewise, our God manifests in different forms with different names (vividha naamaroopam) and for some, as formless Paramaathma chaithanyam. He appears as Lord Shiva, Godess Parvathy , Lord Krishna. Lord Ganesha, Lord Karthikeya etc etc with divine attributes and also as sun, moon, stars and planets. Depending on the attitude of the person seeing Him, He is omnipresent or He is just in a deity in the temple. He fills the Universe as Viraat Purushan, He is in Brahma, He is in an ant and He is in you and me! That is why we worship Him in many forms. It is not out of ignorance, but out of intelligence! > > > Non-Hindu: Thank you for the explanation. > > Learned Hindu: Sir, Hindus use this explanation not to convert non-Hindus to Hindus, but to make people aware of Sanathana dharmam and you know we believe that there is no religion in this world other than Sanathana Dharmam. And it is not a religion, it is a way of life! > > > > Regards and prayers > > Savitri > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. http://in./ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 16, 2009 Report Share Posted December 16, 2009 really? so that Kimvadan character is not real? i watch that serial regularly. But then we dont know which particular text the director is following. Different text specify different stories. you know that right? --- On Wed, 12/16/09, gopalkrishna25 <gopalkrishna25 wrote:gopalkrishna25 <gopalkrishna25[Guruvayur] Re: Namasthe- Worship of many Godsguruvayur Date: Wednesday, December 16, 2009, 6:04 AM Respected Sureshji, I humbly request you to please not to go after the T.V. Serials since they are all fabricated stories to get viewership . Like Savitriji , We too have stopped watching one Serial Named Guruvayoorappan telecasted by one of the leading Malayalam Channels since it introduced a New charector named KIMVADAN .Being some one who is born and brought up in Guruvayoor , I have never heard of such a charector in my life . Since there was vast difference from what I have learned and being telecasted , we decided not to watch any other serials based on Gods. Gopalakrishnan guruvayur@grou ps.com, SURESH C KURUP <sureshckurup@ ...> wrote: > > Om Namo Narayanaya > > Dear Savitri Ji, > > It is a thought on the subject which you worte. > > There are stories about GODS in puranams from the time immemorial. Ordinary people accept it on the ground that, there must be something behind it, which cannot be grasped by the ordinary minds. > > But, now a days there are a lot of TV Serials telecast on Devi, Krishna, Ayyappa etc. wherein THEY are depicted with the extreme human qualities like anger, lust, crook, hate, love etc. etc. They fabricate the stories to stir the viewers' mind and to create anxiety in the people, in a competitive manner. > > The thing is that, in our purnams Lord Ganesha obtains the Mango from their parents by crook (eventhough we say that, "our parents is our world"), and therefore, Lord Muruka abandons HIS parents and in anger in such a way that the human beings act in such circumstances. Sometimes I think Lord Shiva, Parvathy, Ganesha, Muruka all they are GODs and how can they act like this for a silly matter. Skandan, being the master of vedantham would do such an act? And if done, what is the moral in that? There are a lot of stories in which the GODs behave with human qualities. > > In an another story in a TV Serial, a married young lady is disturbed by a Cruel man and Parashakthi knows about this from the beginning and doest not do anything until she is totally become useless. At last, DEVI comes and kills the man in a brutal way to satisfy the viewers' ego. I dont think that there are such stories in any puranams and even parashakthi herself does not know about these stories. > > All these stroies are justifiable for the poeple who are superstitious or immersed in blind bhakthi, without knowing the real GOD and IT's nature. Others will think about the difference between GOD and human being. > > Om Namo Narayanaya > > Suresh C. Kurup > > > > > --- On Mon, 14/12/09, Savitri Puram <savitriopuram@ ...> wrote: > > Savitri Puram <savitriopuram@ ...> > [Guruvayur] Namasthe- Worship of many Gods > > Monday, 14 December, 2009, 1:40 PM > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > Dear all, > > Here is a dialogue between a curious non-Hindu and a learned Hindu > > A non- Hindu : Respected sir, why do Hindus worship so many Gods? And it seems Ganesha and Karthikeya are sons of one of your Goddess Parvathy. And Parvathy is the sister of Lord Krishna etc. > > Hindu: Sir, our God, your God and all Gods of all religions are the same. But to make ordinary people understand the concept of God, seers of the past meditated upon special combinations of letters called Manthraas (after trying several different combinations they came up with certain divine combinations) and the indescribable Power appeared to them in divine forms. For example, when they meditated upon the combination of letters OM namo Naaraayanaaya, a certain form which filled the whole universe appeared and they called them Vishnu. When they meditated upon Om Namo Bhgavathe Vaasudevaaya, they could see another form of the same power. They tried another combination Om Nama shivaaya and saw another form which they called Shiva. Then Sree durgaayai Nama: gave a female form and they called that form Durga, then Lakshmi etc. But they knew that all these forms are only manifestations of the same power or parmaathma chaithanyam. > > > Let me explain to you in a more convincing way. There was a lady who was member of a large family of ten. She was the eighth or ninth child. Let us call her Sathi. She was an AUNT when she was born, to many nieces and nephews who were older than her. This happened because her eldest sister was 23 years older than her! So she was a DAUGHTER to her parents, she was YOUNGER SISTER to her elder brothers and sisters, at the same time she was a GRANDDAUGHTER, she was a NIECE to her mother's and father's siblings. When she grew up she became a WIFE, she became a DAUGHTER-IN LAW, she became a MOTHER and eventually she will become a GRANDMOTHER. The same person was known as all these people and everybody liked her as they saw her. > > > Likewise, our God manifests in different forms with different names (vividha naamaroopam) and for some, as formless Paramaathma chaithanyam. He appears as Lord Shiva, Godess Parvathy , Lord Krishna. Lord Ganesha, Lord Karthikeya etc etc with divine attributes and also as sun, moon, stars and planets. Depending on the attitude of the person seeing Him, He is omnipresent or He is just in a deity in the temple. He fills the Universe as Viraat Purushan, He is in Brahma, He is in an ant and He is in you and me! That is why we worship Him in many forms. It is not out of ignorance, but out of intelligence! > > > Non-Hindu: Thank you for the explanation. > > Learned Hindu: Sir, Hindus use this explanation not to convert non-Hindus to Hindus, but to make people aware of Sanathana dharmam and you know we believe that there is no religion in this world other than Sanathana Dharmam. And it is not a religion, it is a way of life! > > > > Regards and prayers > > Savitri > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. http://in.. com/ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 16, 2009 Report Share Posted December 16, 2009 Dear Devotees, Since most of our other TV programs promote demonic culture , it is a great relief to watch the Puranic serials . It is true that certain topics in these Puranic serials differ from the original puranic text . It is OK as long as the fundamentals of vedic faith is not breached . Even in the Hindu puranas , one can find contradictions . In Siva purana , Lord Siva is supreme over other Gods whereas in the Vishnu purana Maha-Vishnu is the supreme God . All these are to cater to the spiritual requirements of different tastes of Devotees . As long as nothing contradicts the Vedas, such innovations are acceptable . It is true that in certain serials, Hindu Brahmin priests in their traditional constume are depicted as villains . This is totally unacceptable . We should be careful to accept what is good and reject what is evil . If someone intentionally tries to denigrate the vedic scripture, then he is playing with fire . Remember what happened to the famous Thikkurissi Sukumaran Nair . He wrote an obscene parady to Bhagavad Gita . But soon after it , his right hand became paralysed . It took him lot of 'prayachita' and ayurvedic treatments to recover . Thikkurissi said later in his inimitable style , " Kalla Krishnan enne veruthe vittillla . Avan enne Sharikkum oru patam pattippichu " . Let us be positive about the puranic serials . If they promote vedic faith among the viewers , it is good for everyone . Knowledgeable devotees should clear the doubts of other devotees , when queries are raised . There is no point in discouraging the people from watching the puranic serials . Regards, Das guruvayur , Chithra Parameswaran <chithra_libran wrote: > > really? so that Kimvadan character is not real? i watch that serial regularly. But then we dont know which particular text the director is following. Different text specify different stories. you know that right?  > > --- On Wed, 12/16/09, gopalkrishna25 gopalkrishna25 wrote: > > gopalkrishna25 gopalkrishna25 > [Guruvayur] Re: Namasthe- Worship of many Gods > guruvayur > Wednesday, December 16, 2009, 6:04 AM > > > > > > > > > >  > > > Respected Sureshji, > > > > I humbly request you to please not to go after the T.V. Serials since they are all fabricated stories to get viewership . Like Savitriji , We too have stopped watching one Serial Named Guruvayoorappan telecasted by one of the leading Malayalam Channels since it introduced a New charector named KIMVADAN .Being some one who is born and brought up in Guruvayoor , I have never heard of such a charector in my life . Since there was vast difference from what I have learned and being telecasted , we decided not to watch any other serials based on Gods. > > > > Gopalakrishnan > > > > guruvayur@grou ps.com, SURESH C KURUP <sureshckurup@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > Om Namo Narayanaya > > > > > > Dear Savitri Ji, > > > > > > It is a thought on the subject which you worte. > > > > > > There are stories about GODS in puranams from the time immemorial. Ordinary people accept it on the ground that, there must be something behind it, which cannot be grasped by the ordinary minds. > > > > > > But, now a days there are a lot of TV Serials telecast on Devi, Krishna, Ayyappa etc. wherein THEY are depicted with the extreme human qualities like anger, lust, crook, hate, love etc. etc. They fabricate the stories to stir the viewers' mind and to create anxiety in the people, in a competitive manner. > > > > > > The thing is that, in our purnams Lord Ganesha obtains the Mango from their parents by crook (eventhough we say that, " our parents is our world " ), and therefore, Lord Muruka abandons HIS parents and in anger in such a way that the human beings act in such circumstances. Sometimes I think Lord Shiva, Parvathy, Ganesha, Muruka all they are GODs and how can they act like this for a silly matter. Skandan, being the master of vedantham would do such an act? And if done, what is the moral in that? There are a lot of stories in which the GODs behave with human qualities. > > > > > > In an another story in a TV Serial, a married young lady is disturbed by a Cruel man and Parashakthi knows about this from the beginning and doest not do anything until she is totally become useless. At last, DEVI comes and kills the man in a brutal way to satisfy the viewers' ego. I dont think that there are such stories in any puranams and even parashakthi herself does not know about these stories. > > > > > > All these stroies are justifiable for the poeple who are superstitious or immersed in blind bhakthi, without knowing the real GOD and IT's nature. Others will think about the difference between GOD and human being. > > > > > > Om Namo Narayanaya > > > > > > Suresh C. Kurup > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Mon, 14/12/09, Savitri Puram <savitriopuram@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > Savitri Puram <savitriopuram@ ...> > > > [Guruvayur] Namasthe- Worship of many Gods > > > To: > > > Monday, 14 December, 2009, 1:40 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear all, > > > > > > Here is a dialogue between a curious non-Hindu and a learned Hindu > > > > > > A non- Hindu : Respected sir, why do Hindus worship so many Gods? And it seems Ganesha and Karthikeya are sons of one of your Goddess Parvathy. And Parvathy is the sister of Lord Krishna etc. > > > > > > Hindu: Sir, our God, your God and all Gods of all religions are the same. But to make ordinary people understand the concept of God, seers of the past meditated upon special combinations of letters called Manthraas (after trying several different combinations they came up with certain divine combinations) and the indescribable Power appeared to them in divine forms. For example, when they meditated upon the combination of letters OM namo Naaraayanaaya, a certain form which filled the whole universe appeared and they called them Vishnu. When they meditated upon Om Namo Bhgavathe Vaasudevaaya, they could see another form of the same power. They tried another combination Om Nama shivaaya and saw another form which they called Shiva. Then Sree durgaayai Nama: gave a female form and they called that form Durga, then Lakshmi etc. But they knew that all these forms are only manifestations of the same power or parmaathma chaithanyam. > > > > > > > > > Let me explain to you in a more convincing way. There was a lady who was member of a large family of ten. She was the eighth or ninth child. Let us call her Sathi. She was an AUNT when she was born, to many nieces and nephews who were older than her. This happened because her eldest sister was 23 years older than her! So she was a DAUGHTER to her parents, she was YOUNGER SISTER to her elder brothers and sisters, at the same time she was a GRANDDAUGHTER, she was a NIECE to her mother's and father's siblings. When she grew up she became a WIFE, she became a DAUGHTER-IN LAW, she became a MOTHER and eventually she will become a GRANDMOTHER. The same person was known as all these people and everybody liked her as they saw her. > > > > > > > > > Likewise, our God manifests in different forms with different names (vividha naamaroopam) and for some, as formless Paramaathma chaithanyam. He appears as Lord Shiva, Godess Parvathy , Lord Krishna. Lord Ganesha, Lord Karthikeya etc etc with divine attributes and also as sun, moon, stars and planets. Depending on the attitude of the person seeing Him, He is omnipresent or He is just in a deity in the temple. He fills the Universe as Viraat Purushan, He is in Brahma, He is in an ant and He is in you and me! That is why we worship Him in many forms. It is not out of ignorance, but out of intelligence! > > > > > > > > > Non-Hindu: Thank you for the explanation. > > > > > > Learned Hindu: Sir, Hindus use this explanation not to convert non-Hindus to Hindus, but to make people aware of Sanathana dharmam and you know we believe that there is no religion in this world other than Sanathana Dharmam. And it is not a religion, it is a way of life! > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards and prayers > > > > > > Savitri > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. http://in.. com/ > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 17, 2009 Report Share Posted December 17, 2009 DEAR GURUDEVS, I think I have made a mistake in my last message about the Puranic Serials since some of the devottees have taken it as a campaign aginst such serials .What my intention was not to belive what ever being telecasted since the real story and whatever being telecasted are having a lot of difference .Just to make the viewers anxious and to add more viewership the stories are being cooked up . So once again I plead to pardon me for what I have written. Gopalakrishnan guruvayur , " narayana_das77 " <narayanadas77 wrote: > > > Dear Devotees, > > Since most of our other TV programs promote demonic culture , it is a > great relief to watch the Puranic serials . It is true that certain > topics in these Puranic serials differ from the original puranic text . > It is OK as long as the fundamentals of vedic faith is not breached . > Even in the Hindu puranas , one can find contradictions . In Siva purana > , Lord Siva is supreme over other Gods whereas in the Vishnu purana > Maha-Vishnu is the supreme God . All these are to cater to the > spiritual requirements of different tastes of Devotees . As long as > nothing contradicts the Vedas, such innovations are acceptable . > > It is true that in certain serials, Hindu Brahmin priests in their > traditional constume are depicted as villains . This is totally > unacceptable . We should be careful to accept what is good and reject > what is evil . If someone intentionally tries to denigrate the vedic > scripture, then he is playing with fire . Remember what happened to the > famous Thikkurissi Sukumaran Nair . He wrote an obscene parady to > Bhagavad Gita . But soon after it , his right hand became paralysed . It > took him lot of 'prayachita' and ayurvedic treatments to recover . > Thikkurissi said later in his inimitable style , " Kalla Krishnan enne > veruthe vittillla . Avan enne Sharikkum oru patam pattippichu " . > > Let us be positive about the puranic serials . If they promote vedic > faith among the viewers , it is good for everyone . Knowledgeable > devotees should clear the doubts of other devotees , when queries are > raised . There is no point in discouraging the people from watching the > puranic serials . > > Regards, > > Das > > > > > guruvayur , Chithra Parameswaran > <chithra_libran@> wrote: > > > > really? so that Kimvadan character is not real? i watch that > serial regularly. But then we dont know which particular text the > director is following. Different text specify different stories. you > know that right?  > > > > --- On Wed, 12/16/09, gopalkrishna25 gopalkrishna25@ wrote: > > > > gopalkrishna25 gopalkrishna25@ > > [Guruvayur] Re: Namasthe- Worship of many Gods > > guruvayur > > Wednesday, December 16, 2009, 6:04 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected Sureshji, > > > > > > > > I humbly request you to please not to go after the T.V. Serials since > they are all fabricated stories to get viewership . Like Savitriji , We > too have stopped watching one Serial Named Guruvayoorappan telecasted by > one of the leading Malayalam Channels since it introduced a New > charector named KIMVADAN .Being some one who is born and brought up in > Guruvayoor , I have never heard of such a charector in my life . Since > there was vast difference from what I have learned and being telecasted > , we decided not to watch any other serials based on Gods. > > > > > > > > Gopalakrishnan > > > > > > > > guruvayur@grou ps.com, SURESH C KURUP <sureshckurup@ ...> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Om Namo Narayanaya > > > > > > > > > > Dear Savitri Ji, > > > > > > > > > > It is a thought on the subject which you worte. > > > > > > > > > > There are stories about GODS in puranams from the time > immemorial. Ordinary people accept it on the ground that, there > must be something behind it, which cannot be grasped by the ordinary > minds. > > > > > > > > > > But, now a days there are a lot of TV Serials telecast on Devi, > Krishna, Ayyappa etc. wherein THEY are depicted with the extreme human > qualities like anger, lust, crook, hate, love etc. etc. They > fabricate the stories to stir the viewers' mind and to create anxiety in > the people, in a competitive manner. > > > > > > > > > > The thing is that, in our purnams Lord Ganesha obtains the Mango > from their parents by crook (eventhough we say that, " our parents is our > world " ), and therefore, Lord Muruka abandons HIS parents and in anger in > such a way that the human beings act in such circumstances. > Sometimes I think Lord Shiva, Parvathy, Ganesha, Muruka all they are > GODs and how can they act like this for a silly matter. Skandan, > being the master of vedantham would do such an act? And if done, > what is the moral in that? There are a lot of stories in which the GODs > behave with human qualities. > > > > > > > > > > In an another story in a TV Serial, a married young lady is > disturbed by a Cruel man and Parashakthi knows about this from the > beginning and doest not do anything until she is totally become > useless. At last, DEVI comes and kills the man in a brutal way > to satisfy the viewers' ego. I dont think that there are such > stories in any puranams and even parashakthi herself does not know about > these stories. > > > > > > > > > > All these stroies are justifiable for the poeple who are > superstitious or immersed in blind bhakthi, without knowing the real GOD > and IT's nature. Others will think about the difference between > GOD and human being. > > > > > > > > > > Om Namo Narayanaya > > > > > > > > > > Suresh C. Kurup > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Mon, 14/12/09, Savitri Puram <savitriopuram@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Savitri Puram <savitriopuram@ ...> > > > > > [Guruvayur] Namasthe- Worship of many Gods > > > > > To: > > > > > Monday, 14 December, 2009, 1:40 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear all, > > > > > > > > > > Here is a dialogue between a curious non-Hindu and a learned Hindu > > > > > > > > > > A non- Hindu : Respected sir, why do Hindus worship so many Gods? > And it seems Ganesha and Karthikeya are sons of one of your Goddess > Parvathy. And Parvathy is the sister of Lord Krishna etc. > > > > > > > > > > Hindu: Sir, our God, your God and all Gods of all religions are the > same. But to make ordinary people understand the concept of God, seers > of the past meditated upon special combinations of letters called > Manthraas (after trying several different combinations they came up with > certain divine combinations) and the indescribable Power appeared to > them in divine forms. For example, when they meditated upon the > combination of letters OM namo Naaraayanaaya, a certain form which > filled the whole universe appeared and they called them Vishnu. When > they meditated upon Om Namo Bhgavathe Vaasudevaaya, they could see > another form of the same power. They tried another combination Om Nama > shivaaya and saw another form which they called Shiva. Then Sree > durgaayai Nama: gave a female form and they called that form Durga, then > Lakshmi etc. But they knew that all these forms are only manifestations > of the same power or parmaathma chaithanyam. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let me explain to you in a more convincing way. There was a lady who > was member of a large family of ten. She was the eighth or ninth child. > Let us call her Sathi. She was an AUNT when she was born, to many nieces > and nephews who were older than her. This happened because her eldest > sister was 23 years older than her! So she was a DAUGHTER to her > parents, she was YOUNGER SISTER to her elder brothers and sisters, at > the same time she was a GRANDDAUGHTER, she was a NIECE to her mother's > and father's siblings. When she grew up she became a WIFE, she became a > DAUGHTER-IN LAW, she became a MOTHER and eventually she will become a > GRANDMOTHER. The same person was known as all these people and everybody > liked her as they saw her. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Likewise, our God manifests in different forms with different names > (vividha naamaroopam) and for some, as formless Paramaathma chaithanyam. > He appears as Lord Shiva, Godess Parvathy , Lord Krishna. Lord Ganesha, > Lord Karthikeya etc etc with divine attributes and also as sun, moon, > stars and planets. Depending on the attitude of the person seeing Him, > He is omnipresent or He is just in a deity in the temple. He fills the > Universe as Viraat Purushan, He is in Brahma, He is in an ant and He is > in you and me! That is why we worship Him in many forms. It is not out > of ignorance, but out of intelligence! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Non-Hindu: Thank you for the explanation. > > > > > > > > > > Learned Hindu: Sir, Hindus use this explanation not to convert > non-Hindus to Hindus, but to make people aware of Sanathana dharmam and > you know we believe that there is no religion in this world other than > Sanathana Dharmam. And it is not a religion, it is a way of life! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards and prayers > > > > > > > > > > Savitri > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. > http://in.. com/ > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 17, 2009 Report Share Posted December 17, 2009 Dear devotees of Sri Guruvayurappan,Lately, in the name of Puranic incidents, several imaginary stories that crop up inside the skulls of some script writer(s) are finding place and the gullible people are swallowing it hook, line and sinker. Even in this forum, there had been discussions about specific characters in the Sri Guruvayurappan serial - which are all purely imaginary. Those people who create these serials just want to catch peoples' attention somehow or other. Now that Kali yuga is going full swing, people are certainly forced to develop devotion, seeing the horrible situation all around. So, anything with a devotional wrapper will sell like hot cakes. This is what is actually going on. Many are not realizing it even after seeing. (the toffee wrappers are invariably thrown out and only the toffee is eaten!)"kaNDAlum thiriyA chilarkkEthumE" - PoonthanamThis may be treated as a healthy trend by some people, but I beg to disagree. One reason is because the actual puranic episodes will often go into oblivion and only the fictitious characters of the serials will stay in the minds of people. This is what we have noticed with several people.We are made to believe whatever is broadcast by these channels - even in spiritual matters - is the REAL TRUTH - this is a very dangerous trend - we should understand the Puranas and spiritual matters from Spiritually oriented people - "tad vijnanartham sa gurum evabhigacchet" - not someone who writes imaginary stories and then depends on the Puranas for selling them. (Remember, TV is something that takes you into an Alpha state very quickly - this is a very receptive state - as if hypnotized - therefore, it makes it very easy to believe whatever is shown on TV as Truth.)And when we somehow happen to read the real Puranas, we may not believe the incidents mentioned therein, because we will compare it with what was shown in the serials. Believe me, MEDIA has got a very very powerful influence on peoples' minds. We blindly believe in the printed word (newspapers), we believe in Television (serials).Serials are PURELY Business-Oriented stuff. Their purpose is certainly not to instil devotion - but to make you more addicted to the serial. More viewership, more advertisements - and more advertisements means more money! thats it.If those who create these serials, had very good intentions, why don't they present the Puranic episodes AS IT IS, rather than mixing their imagination with some Puranic incidents? (or if they want to sell their stories, why do they have to drag the Puranas into this? let them write good stories.) I think long ago, the Ramayana and Mahabharata were serialized and it was done maintaining fidelity (more or less) to the respective scriptures. Lately, the trend has changed for the worse.Srila Prabhupada used to say that so far so many editions of Bhagavad Gita have appeared in the market - but many are trying to sell their own ideas - but they know they cannot capture the market with just their writing, so they make it into a commentary on the Gita. The brand name "Bhagavad Gita" has got lots of value and is most misused. This sort of nonsense is happening all around - and this epidemic has spread into Television as well.(Regarding the contradictions mentioned in the Puranas, you may read Bhattathiri's comments in Narayaneeyam Dasakam 90 which completely clarifies all our doubts. There is no way we can compare the blatant misuse of the scripture by serial makers to the contradictions in the Puranas.)I do not mean to offend anybody, but we should know about this slow poisoning through TV serials. Why don't we sit and read Bhagavatam, Gita, Ramayana, Mahabharata etc instead of wasting time infront of TV set? that will certainly instill devotion into all of us:"sadyo hrdi avarudhyate " - BhagavatamThat Lord Krishna will enter into our hearts without delay simply when we read / listen to Srimad Bhagavatam.-sriram--- On Wed, 12/16/09, narayana_das77 <narayanadas77 wrote:narayana_das77 <narayanadas77[Guruvayur] Re: Namasthe- Worship of many Godsguruvayur Date: Wednesday, December 16, 2009, 8:38 PM Dear Devotees, Since most of our other TV programs promote demonic culture , it is a great relief to watch the Puranic serials . It is true that certain topics in these Puranic serials differ from the original puranic text . It is OK as long as the fundamentals of vedic faith is not breached . Even in the Hindu puranas , one can find contradictions . In Siva purana , Lord Siva is supreme over other Gods whereas in the Vishnu purana Maha-Vishnu is the supreme God . All these are to cater to the spiritual requirements of different tastes of Devotees . As long as nothing contradicts the Vedas, such innovations are acceptable . It is true that in certain serials, Hindu Brahmin priests in their traditional constume are depicted as villains . This is totally unacceptable . We should be careful to accept what is good and reject what is evil . If someone intentionally tries to denigrate the vedic scripture, then he is playing with fire . Remember what happened to the famous Thikkurissi Sukumaran Nair . He wrote an obscene parady to Bhagavad Gita . But soon after it , his right hand became paralysed . It took him lot of 'prayachita' and ayurvedic treatments to recover . Thikkurissi said later in his inimitable style , "Kalla Krishnan enne veruthe vittillla . Avan enne Sharikkum oru patam pattippichu" . Let us be positive about the puranic serials . If they promote vedic faith among the viewers , it is good for everyone . Knowledgeable devotees should clear the doubts of other devotees , when queries are raised . There is no point in discouraging the people from watching the puranic serials . Regards, Das guruvayur@grou ps.com, Chithra Parameswaran <chithra_libran@ ...> wrote: > > really? so that Kimvadan character is not real? i watch that serial regularly. But then we dont know which particular text the director is following. Different text specify different stories. you know that right?  > > --- On Wed, 12/16/09, gopalkrishna25 gopalkrishna25@ ... wrote: > > gopalkrishna25 gopalkrishna25@ ... > [Guruvayur] Re: Namasthe- Worship of many Gods > guruvayur@grou ps.com > Wednesday, December 16, 2009, 6:04 AM > > > > > > > > > >  > > > Respected Sureshji, > > > > I humbly request you to please not to go after the T.V. Serials since they are all fabricated stories to get viewership . Like Savitriji , We too have stopped watching one Serial Named Guruvayoorappan telecasted by one of the leading Malayalam Channels since it introduced a New charector named KIMVADAN .Being some one who is born and brought up in Guruvayoor , I have never heard of such a charector in my life . Since there was vast difference from what I have learned and being telecasted , we decided not to watch any other serials based on Gods. > > > > Gopalakrishnan > > > > guruvayur@grou ps.com, SURESH C KURUP <sureshckurup@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > Om Namo Narayanaya > > > > > > Dear Savitri Ji, > > > > > > It is a thought on the subject which you worte. > > > > > > There are stories about GODS in puranams from the time immemorial. Ordinary people accept it on the ground that, there must be something behind it, which cannot be grasped by the ordinary minds. > > > > > > But, now a days there are a lot of TV Serials telecast on Devi, Krishna, Ayyappa etc. wherein THEY are depicted with the extreme human qualities like anger, lust, crook, hate, love etc. etc. They fabricate the stories to stir the viewers' mind and to create anxiety in the people, in a competitive manner. > > > > > > The thing is that, in our purnams Lord Ganesha obtains the Mango from their parents by crook (eventhough we say that, "our parents is our world"), and therefore, Lord Muruka abandons HIS parents and in anger in such a way that the human beings act in such circumstances. Sometimes I think Lord Shiva, Parvathy, Ganesha, Muruka all they are GODs and how can they act like this for a silly matter. Skandan, being the master of vedantham would do such an act? And if done, what is the moral in that? There are a lot of stories in which the GODs behave with human qualities. > > > > > > In an another story in a TV Serial, a married young lady is disturbed by a Cruel man and Parashakthi knows about this from the beginning and doest not do anything until she is totally become useless. At last, DEVI comes and kills the man in a brutal way to satisfy the viewers' ego. I dont think that there are such stories in any puranams and even parashakthi herself does not know about these stories. > > > > > > All these stroies are justifiable for the poeple who are superstitious or immersed in blind bhakthi, without knowing the real GOD and IT's nature. Others will think about the difference between GOD and human being. > > > > > > Om Namo Narayanaya > > > > > > Suresh C. Kurup > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Mon, 14/12/09, Savitri Puram <savitriopuram@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > Savitri Puram <savitriopuram@ ...> > > > [Guruvayur] Namasthe- Worship of many Gods > > > To: > > > Monday, 14 December, 2009, 1:40 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear all, > > > > > > Here is a dialogue between a curious non-Hindu and a learned Hindu > > > > > > A non- Hindu : Respected sir, why do Hindus worship so many Gods? And it seems Ganesha and Karthikeya are sons of one of your Goddess Parvathy. And Parvathy is the sister of Lord Krishna etc. > > > > > > Hindu: Sir, our God, your God and all Gods of all religions are the same. But to make ordinary people understand the concept of God, seers of the past meditated upon special combinations of letters called Manthraas (after trying several different combinations they came up with certain divine combinations) and the indescribable Power appeared to them in divine forms. For example, when they meditated upon the combination of letters OM namo Naaraayanaaya, a certain form which filled the whole universe appeared and they called them Vishnu. When they meditated upon Om Namo Bhgavathe Vaasudevaaya, they could see another form of the same power. They tried another combination Om Nama shivaaya and saw another form which they called Shiva. Then Sree durgaayai Nama: gave a female form and they called that form Durga, then Lakshmi etc. But they knew that all these forms are only manifestations of the same power or parmaathma chaithanyam. > > > > > > > > > Let me explain to you in a more convincing way. There was a lady who was member of a large family of ten. She was the eighth or ninth child. Let us call her Sathi. She was an AUNT when she was born, to many nieces and nephews who were older than her. This happened because her eldest sister was 23 years older than her! So she was a DAUGHTER to her parents, she was YOUNGER SISTER to her elder brothers and sisters, at the same time she was a GRANDDAUGHTER, she was a NIECE to her mother's and father's siblings. When she grew up she became a WIFE, she became a DAUGHTER-IN LAW, she became a MOTHER and eventually she will become a GRANDMOTHER. The same person was known as all these people and everybody liked her as they saw her. > > > > > > > > > Likewise, our God manifests in different forms with different names (vividha naamaroopam) and for some, as formless Paramaathma chaithanyam. He appears as Lord Shiva, Godess Parvathy , Lord Krishna. Lord Ganesha, Lord Karthikeya etc etc with divine attributes and also as sun, moon, stars and planets. Depending on the attitude of the person seeing Him, He is omnipresent or He is just in a deity in the temple. He fills the Universe as Viraat Purushan, He is in Brahma, He is in an ant and He is in you and me! That is why we worship Him in many forms. It is not out of ignorance, but out of intelligence! > > > > > > > > > Non-Hindu: Thank you for the explanation. > > > > > > Learned Hindu: Sir, Hindus use this explanation not to convert non-Hindus to Hindus, but to make people aware of Sanathana dharmam and you know we believe that there is no religion in this world other than Sanathana Dharmam. And it is not a religion, it is a way of life! > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards and prayers > > > > > > Savitri > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. http://in.. com/ > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 17, 2009 Report Share Posted December 17, 2009 Dear Savitriji,Thanks for throwing more light on the story.Om Namo Narayanaya!Regards,Suresh C. Kurup--- On Tue, 12/15/09, Savitri Puram <savitriopuram@ gmail.com> wrote:Savitri Puram <savitriopuram@ gmail.com>Re: [Guruvayur] Namasthe- Worship of many Godsguruvayur@grou ps.comTuesday, December 15, 2009, 5:18 PM Dear Sureshji, I agree with you about TV serials. We did watch one serial Guruvayurappan and after about 60 episodes or so we stopped watching because it was far from the our expectaions of a story about Guruvayurappan. But in this vast world, one cannot make others think or act as per our expectations. We may not be acting to meet so many other's expectations. So we have to leave a wide margin and then go forward. Personally I think Ganesha's story is to emphasize the importance of parents who are our prathyksha daivams. Often stories of puranas have symbolic significance which may not be revealed explicitly. In this story how one's knowledge and intelligence helps one to win also is illustrated. I have heard that when kathikeya flew around the world stopping at different sacred places, he found Ganesha also there. Karthikeya was surprised and wondered how did Ganesha, with his huge body and tiny mouse manage to get there faster than Him? When he knew the truth, he readily accepted Ganesh's superior intelligence and how He viewed their parents Lord Shiva nd Goddess Parvathy as His universe. Later Ganesha actually offered the mango to his upset brother. This incident actually helped the playful and immature Karthikeya to grow up and later he became "surasianya nathan". This is my humble opinion about this story. I may be wrong. Regards and prayers Savitri On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 12:35 AM, SURESH C KURUP <sureshckurup@ > wrote: Om Namo NarayanayaDear Savitri Ji,It is a thought on the subject which you worte.There are stories about GODS in puranams from the time immemorial. Ordinary people accept it on the ground that, there must be something behind it, which cannot be grasped by the ordinary minds. But, now a days there are a lot of TV Serials telecast on Devi, Krishna, Ayyappa etc. wherein THEY are depicted with the extreme human qualities like anger, lust, crook, hate, love etc. etc. They fabricate the stories to stir the viewers' mind and to create anxiety in the people, in a competitive manner. The thing is that, in our purnams Lord Ganesha obtains the Mango from their parents by crook (eventhough we say that, "our parents is our world"), and therefore, Lord Muruka abandons HIS parents and in anger in such a way that the human beings act in such circumstances. Sometimes I think Lord Shiva, Parvathy, Ganesha, Muruka all they are GODs and how can they act like this for a silly matter. Skandan, being the master of vedantham would do such an act? And if done, what is the moral in that? There are a lot of stories in which the GODs behave with human qualities. In an another story in a TV Serial, a married young lady is disturbed by a Cruel man and Parashakthi knows about this from the beginning and doest not do anything until she is totally become useless. At last, DEVI comes and kills the man in a brutal way to satisfy the viewers' ego. I dont think that there are such stories in any puranams and even parashakthi herself does not know about these stories. All these stroies are justifiable for the poeple who are superstitious or immersed in blind bhakthi, without knowing the real GOD and IT's nature. Others will think about the difference between GOD and human being. Om Namo NarayanayaSuresh C. Kurup --- On Mon, 14/12/09, Savitri Puram <savitriopuram@ gmail.com> wrote: Savitri Puram <savitriopuram@ gmail.com>[Guruvayur] Namasthe- Worship of many GodsMonday, 14 December, 2009, 1:40 PM Dear all, Here is a dialogue between a curious non-Hindu and a learned Hindu A non- Hindu : Respected sir, why do Hindus worship so many Gods? And it seems Ganesha and Karthikeya are sons of one of your Goddess Parvathy. And Parvathy is the sister of Lord Krishna etc. Hindu: Sir, our God, your God and all Gods of all religions are the same. But to make ordinary people understand the concept of God, seers of the past meditated upon special combinations of letters called Manthraas (after trying several different combinations they came up with certain divine combinations) and the indescribable Power appeared to them in divine forms. For example, when they meditated upon the combination of letters OM namo Naaraayanaaya, a certain form which filled the whole universe appeared and they called them Vishnu. When they meditated upon Om Namo Bhgavathe Vaasudevaaya, they could see another form of the same power. They tried another combination Om Nama shivaaya and saw another form which they called Shiva. Then Sree durgaayai Nama: gave a female form and they called that form Durga, then Lakshmi etc. But they knew that all these forms are only manifestations of the same power or parmaathma chaithanyam. Let me explain to you in a more convincing way. There was a lady who was member of a large family of ten. She was the eighth or ninth child. Let us call her Sathi. She was an AUNT when she was born, to many nieces and nephews who were older than her. This happened because her eldest sister was 23 years older than her! So she was a DAUGHTER to her parents, she was YOUNGER SISTER to her elder brothers and sisters, at the same time she was a GRANDDAUGHTER, she was a NIECE to her mother's and father's siblings. When she grew up she became a WIFE, she became a DAUGHTER-IN LAW, she became a MOTHER and eventually she will become a GRANDMOTHER. The same person was known as all these people and everybody liked her as they saw her. Likewise, our God manifests in different forms with different names (vividha naamaroopam) and for some, as formless Paramaathma chaithanyam. He appears as Lord Shiva, Godess Parvathy , Lord Krishna. Lord Ganesha, Lord Karthikeya etc etc with divine attributes and also as sun, moon, stars and planets. Depending on the attitude of the person seeing Him, He is omnipresent or He is just in a deity in the temple. He fills the Universe as Viraat Purushan, He is in Brahma, He is in an ant and He is in you and me! That is why we worship Him in many forms. It is not out of ignorance, but out of intelligence! Non-Hindu: Thank you for the explanation. Learned Hindu: Sir, Hindus use this explanation not to convert non-Hindus to Hindus, but to make people aware of Sanathana dharmam and you know we believe that there is no religion in this world other than Sanathana Dharmam. And it is not a religion, it is a way of life! Regards and prayers Savitri The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 18, 2009 Report Share Posted December 18, 2009 Respected Sri Ramji , Thanks a lot for writing about the serials in a more convincing manner which I couldn't. There are viewers from other religions who are not familiar with the Hindu Puranams who are mis guided watching these fabricated stories. One of my Co.Passengers( another non keralite) who is from another religion had swallowed the stories as such and I have to face a barrage of questions from him which I finds quite difficult to answer because of my limited knowledge but tries my best to tell him the real story. The Serials being telecasted earlier never deviated from the originals which any one from any religion could easily understand. guruvayur , SRIRAM SUBRAMANIAN <abheri wrote: > > Dear devotees of Sri Guruvayurappan, > Lately, in the name of Puranic incidents, several imaginary stories that crop up inside the skulls of some script writer(s) are finding place and the gullible people are swallowing it hook, line and sinker. > > Even in this forum, there had been discussions about specific characters in the Sri Guruvayurappan serial - which are all purely imaginary. Those people who create these serials just want to catch peoples' attention somehow or other. Now that Kali yuga is going full swing, people are certainly forced to develop devotion, seeing the horrible situation all around. So, anything with a devotional wrapper will sell like hot cakes. This is what is actually going on. Many are not realizing it even after seeing. (the toffee wrappers are invariably thrown out and only the toffee is eaten!) > > " kaNDAlum thiriyA > chilarkkEthumE " - Poonthanam > > This may be treated as a healthy trend by some people, but I beg to disagree. One reason is because the actual puranic episodes will often go into oblivion and only the fictitious characters of the serials will stay in the minds of people. This is what we have noticed with several people. > > We are made to believe whatever is broadcast by these channels - even in spiritual matters - is the REAL TRUTH - this is a very dangerous trend - we should understand the Puranas and spiritual matters from Spiritually oriented people - " tad vijnanartham sa gurum evabhigacchet " - not someone who writes imaginary stories and then depends on the Puranas for selling them. (Remember, TV is something that takes you into an Alpha state very quickly - this is a very receptive state - as if hypnotized - therefore, it makes it very easy to believe whatever is shown on TV as Truth.) > > And when we somehow happen to read the real > Puranas, we may not believe the incidents mentioned therein, because we will compare it with what was shown in the serials. Believe me, MEDIA has got a very very powerful influence on peoples' minds. We blindly believe in the printed word (newspapers), we believe in Television (serials). > > Serials are PURELY Business-Oriented stuff. Their purpose is certainly not to instil devotion - but to make you more addicted to the serial. More viewership, more advertisements - and more advertisements means more money! thats it. > > If those who create these serials, had very good intentions, why don't they present the Puranic episodes AS IT IS, rather than mixing their imagination with some Puranic incidents? (or if they want to sell their stories, why do they have to drag the Puranas into this? let them write good stories.) I think long ago, the Ramayana and Mahabharata were serialized and it was done maintaining fidelity (more or less) to the respective scriptures. Lately, the trend has changed for the worse. > > Srila Prabhupada used to say that so far so many editions of Bhagavad Gita have appeared in the market - but many are trying to sell > their own ideas - but they know they cannot capture the market with just their writing, so they make it into a commentary on the Gita. The brand name " Bhagavad Gita " has got lots of value and is most misused. This sort of nonsense is happening all around - and this epidemic has spread into Television as well. > > (Regarding the contradictions mentioned in the Puranas, you may read Bhattathiri's comments in Narayaneeyam Dasakam 90 which completely clarifies all our doubts. There is no way we can compare the blatant misuse of the scripture by serial makers to the contradictions in the Puranas.) > > I do not mean to offend anybody, but we should know about this slow poisoning through TV serials. Why don't we sit and read Bhagavatam, Gita, Ramayana, Mahabharata etc instead of wasting time infront of TV set? that will certainly instill devotion into all of us: > > " sadyo hrdi avarudhyate " - Bhagavatam > > That Lord Krishna will enter into our hearts without delay simply when we read / listen to Srimad Bhagavatam. > > -sriram > > --- On Wed, > 12/16/09, narayana_das77 <narayanadas77 wrote: > > narayana_das77 <narayanadas77 > [Guruvayur] Re: Namasthe- Worship of many Gods > guruvayur > Wednesday, December 16, 2009, 8:38 PM >  > > > > > Dear Devotees, > > > > Since most of our other TV programs promote demonic culture , it is a > > great relief to watch the Puranic serials . It is true that certain > > topics in these Puranic serials differ from the original puranic text . > > It is OK as long as the fundamentals of vedic faith is not breached . > > Even in the Hindu puranas , one can find contradictions . In Siva purana > > , Lord Siva is supreme over other Gods whereas in the Vishnu purana > > Maha-Vishnu is the supreme God . All these are to cater to the > > spiritual requirements of different tastes of Devotees . As long as > > nothing contradicts the Vedas, such innovations are acceptable . > > > > It is true that in certain serials, Hindu Brahmin priests in their > > traditional constume are depicted as villains . This is totally > > unacceptable . We should be careful to accept what is good and reject > > what is evil . If someone intentionally tries to denigrate the vedic > > scripture, then he is playing with fire . Remember what happened to the > > famous Thikkurissi Sukumaran Nair . He wrote an obscene parady to > > Bhagavad Gita . But soon after it , his right hand became paralysed . It > > took him lot of 'prayachita' and ayurvedic treatments to recover . > > Thikkurissi said later in his inimitable style , " Kalla Krishnan enne > > veruthe vittillla . Avan enne Sharikkum oru patam pattippichu " . > > > > Let us be positive about the puranic serials . If they promote vedic > > faith among the viewers , it is good for everyone . Knowledgeable > > devotees should clear the doubts of other devotees , when queries are > > raised . There is no point in discouraging the people from watching the > > puranic serials . > > > > Regards, > > > > Das > > > > guruvayur@grou ps.com, Chithra Parameswaran > > <chithra_libran@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > really? so that Kimvadan character is not real? i watch that > > serial regularly. But then we dont know which particular text the > > director is following. Different text specify different stories. you > > know that right?  > > > > > > --- On Wed, 12/16/09, gopalkrishna25 gopalkrishna25@ ... wrote: > > > > > > gopalkrishna25 gopalkrishna25@ ... > > > [Guruvayur] Re: Namasthe- Worship of many Gods > > > guruvayur@grou ps.com > > > Wednesday, December 16, 2009, 6:04 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected Sureshji, > > > > > > > > > > > > I humbly request you to please not to go after the T.V. Serials since > > they are all fabricated stories to get viewership . Like Savitriji , We > > too have stopped watching one Serial Named Guruvayoorappan telecasted by > > one of the leading Malayalam Channels since it introduced a New > > charector named KIMVADAN .Being some one who is born and brought up in > > Guruvayoor , I have never heard of such a charector in my life . Since > > there was vast difference from what I have learned and being telecasted > > , we decided not to watch any other serials based on Gods. > > > > > > > > > > > > Gopalakrishnan > > > > > > > > > > > > guruvayur@grou ps.com, SURESH C KURUP <sureshckurup@ ...> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Namo Narayanaya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Savitri Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is a thought on the subject which you worte. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There are stories about GODS in puranams from the time > > immemorial. Ordinary people accept it on the ground that, there > > must be something behind it, which cannot be grasped by the ordinary > > minds. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But, now a days there are a lot of TV Serials telecast on Devi, > > Krishna, Ayyappa etc. wherein THEY are depicted with the extreme human > > qualities like anger, lust, crook, hate, love etc. etc. They > > fabricate the stories to stir the viewers' mind and to create anxiety in > > the people, in a competitive manner. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The thing is that, in our purnams Lord Ganesha obtains the Mango > > from their parents by crook (eventhough we say that, " our parents is our > > world " ), and therefore, Lord Muruka abandons HIS parents and in anger in > > such a way that the human beings act in such circumstances. > > Sometimes I think Lord Shiva, Parvathy, Ganesha, Muruka all they are > > GODs and how can they act like this for a silly matter. Skandan, > > being the master of vedantham would do such an act? And if done, > > what is the moral in that? There are a lot of stories in which the GODs > > behave with human qualities. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In an another story in a TV Serial, a married young lady is > > disturbed by a Cruel man and Parashakthi knows about this from the > > beginning and doest not do anything until she is totally become > > useless. At last, DEVI comes and kills the man in a brutal way > > to satisfy the viewers' ego. I dont think that there are such > > stories in any puranams and even parashakthi herself does not know about > > these stories. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All these stroies are justifiable for the poeple who are > > superstitious or immersed in blind bhakthi, without knowing the real GOD > > and IT's nature. Others will think about the difference between > > GOD and human being. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Namo Narayanaya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Suresh C. Kurup > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Mon, 14/12/09, Savitri Puram <savitriopuram@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Savitri Puram <savitriopuram@ ...> > > > > > > > [Guruvayur] Namasthe- Worship of many Gods > > > > > > > To: > > > > > > > Monday, 14 December, 2009, 1:40 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear all, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here is a dialogue between a curious non-Hindu and a learned Hindu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A non- Hindu : Respected sir, why do Hindus worship so many Gods? > > And it seems Ganesha and Karthikeya are sons of one of your Goddess > > Parvathy. And Parvathy is the sister of Lord Krishna etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hindu: Sir, our God, your God and all Gods of all religions are the > > same. But to make ordinary people understand the concept of God, seers > > of the past meditated upon special combinations of letters called > > Manthraas (after trying several different combinations they came up with > > certain divine combinations) and the indescribable Power appeared to > > them in divine forms. For example, when they meditated upon the > > combination of letters OM namo Naaraayanaaya, a certain form which > > filled the whole universe appeared and they called them Vishnu. When > > they meditated upon Om Namo Bhgavathe Vaasudevaaya, they could see > > another form of the same power. They tried another combination Om Nama > > shivaaya and saw another form which they called Shiva. Then Sree > > durgaayai Nama: gave a female form and they called that form Durga, then > > Lakshmi etc. But they knew that all these forms are only manifestations > > of the same power or parmaathma chaithanyam. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let me explain to you in a more convincing way. There was a lady who > > was member of a large family of ten. She was the eighth or ninth child. > > Let us call her Sathi. She was an AUNT when she was born, to many nieces > > and nephews who were older than her. This happened because her eldest > > sister was 23 years older than her! So she was a DAUGHTER to her > > parents, she was YOUNGER SISTER to her elder brothers and sisters, at > > the same time she was a GRANDDAUGHTER, she was a NIECE to her mother's > > and father's siblings. When she grew up she became a WIFE, she became a > > DAUGHTER-IN LAW, she became a MOTHER and eventually she will become a > > GRANDMOTHER. The same person was known as all these people and everybody > > liked her as they saw her. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Likewise, our God manifests in different forms with different names > > (vividha naamaroopam) and for some, as formless Paramaathma chaithanyam. > > He appears as Lord Shiva, Godess Parvathy , Lord Krishna. Lord Ganesha, > > Lord Karthikeya etc etc with divine attributes and also as sun, moon, > > stars and planets. Depending on the attitude of the person seeing Him, > > He is omnipresent or He is just in a deity in the temple. He fills the > > Universe as Viraat Purushan, He is in Brahma, He is in an ant and He is > > in you and me! That is why we worship Him in many forms. It is not out > > of ignorance, but out of intelligence! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Non-Hindu: Thank you for the explanation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Learned Hindu: Sir, Hindus use this explanation not to convert > > non-Hindus to Hindus, but to make people aware of Sanathana dharmam and > > you know we believe that there is no religion in this world other than > > Sanathana Dharmam. And it is not a religion, it is a way of life! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards and prayers > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Savitri > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! 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Guest guest Posted December 18, 2009 Report Share Posted December 18, 2009 Dear Devotees, I agree with Sriramji's statement , " We should understand the Puranas and Spiritual Matters from Spiritually oriented People " . Unfortunately , such a facility is unavailable to the Hindus , at present . Madrasas and Sunday Schools are providing systematic religious education to budding Muslims and Christians . Specific syllabus, qualified teachers and all associated facilities are readily available to provide this education to the entire children of Islam and Christianity . When we were children , the school text books were containing many interesting stories and poems from the puranas . Our teachers always taught those portions in detail never forgetting to explain the associated legends as well . Also , our elders in the family used to tell us the puranic stories very nicely . As a result , our generation was familiar with the tenets of Hinduism which enabled us to practice Hinduism in our own lives . However, all those text books were later revised by "secular" Rulers and their puppet educationalists . As a result of majority of the young generation of Hindus are totally ignorant about Hindu puranas or Hindu faith . Even the teachers and elders don't know much about it ; and they are helpless even to clear the doubts of children . Saguna Brahman ( God with Attributes) In Hindu temples, Rishis have installed Moorthies having specific attributes, for the welfare of Devotees. For instance , our own Guruvayoorappan . He is Unnikkannan who plays with Bhaktas . He is playful , sentimental and divine . As we see in the lives of Kurooramma and Poonthanam , on many occasions , little Krishna had thrown caution to the winds and rescued His Bhaktas by re-writing their destiny . This happens in the case of most Saguna Brahman Deities . Their history is not documented in the Puranas . We don't have any single book that describes the total history of Shree Guruvayoorappan . All what we know is just tip of an iceberg. We cannot find the names of Poonthanam , Kurooramma or Vilwamangalam in Hindu puranas . But we all know they have lived on this earth in flesh and blood . When we speak to Acharyas like Brahmashri Malliyoor , Guruvayoor Tantris or Thazhamon Tantris , we come across many new information about Bhagavan's pastimes which were unknown to us before . As Bhagavan has said , "The sand on the beach can be counted but not my incarnations or pastimes" . Guruvayoorappan and Mammiiyoorappan are very closely inter-related . Darshan at Guruavyoor is believed to be complete only with a Darshan at Mammiyoor as well . The Sree Guruvayoorappan serial's character "Kimvadan" is a Saivic "Avadhuta" believed to be an incarnation of Lord Shiva . We don't have an authoritative scriptural book to accept or reject this . All what matters is whether or not it causes Bhakti in the minds of viewers . I watched a few episodes and that character impressed me ; especially His renounciant approach and His love and commitment to the playful Unnikkannan . Time and again , Kimvadan reminds us that this naughty Unnikkannan is none but the supreme Lord Maha-Vishnu Himself . Commercialization This Kali-yuga . We can't expect complete purity anything except Bhagavan . The script-writers of the Puranic serials might be forced to make compromises because of Viewer-response or subsequent demands by the Sponsors . We can forgive them for providing the TV viewers "something Vedic" instead of the evil alternatives of family-destroying "kanneer-serials" or soft porns . My intention is not to involve in any argument . I just tried to explain the ground realities . Please forgive me , if my personal opinions mentioned above have offended anyone . Best Regards, Das ---- guruvayur , SRIRAM SUBRAMANIAN <abheri wrote:>> Dear devotees of Sri Guruvayurappan,> Lately, in the name of Puranic incidents, several imaginary stories that crop up inside the skulls of some script writer(s) are finding place and the gullible people are swallowing it hook, line and sinker. > > Even in this forum, there had been discussions about specific characters in the Sri Guruvayurappan serial - which are all purely imaginary. Those people who create these serials just want to catch peoples' attention somehow or other. Now that Kali yuga is going full swing, people are certainly forced to develop devotion, seeing the horrible situation all around. So, anything with a devotional wrapper will sell like hot cakes. This is what is actually going on. Many are not realizing it even after seeing. (the toffee wrappers are invariably thrown out and only the toffee is eaten!)> > "kaNDAlum thiriyA> chilarkkEthumE" - Poonthanam> > This may be treated as a healthy trend by some people, but I beg to disagree. One reason is because the actual puranic episodes will often go into oblivion and only the fictitious characters of the serials will stay in the minds of people. This is what we have noticed with several people.> > We are made to believe whatever is broadcast by these channels - even in spiritual matters - is the REAL TRUTH - this is a very dangerous trend - we should understand the Puranas and spiritual matters from Spiritually oriented people - "tad vijnanartham sa gurum evabhigacchet" - not someone who writes imaginary stories and then depends on the Puranas for selling them. (Remember, TV is something that takes you into an Alpha state very quickly - this is a very receptive state - as if hypnotized - therefore, it makes it very easy to believe whatever is shown on TV as Truth.)> > And when we somehow happen to read the real> Puranas, we may not believe the incidents mentioned therein, because we will compare it with what was shown in the serials. Believe me, MEDIA has got a very very powerful influence on peoples' minds. We blindly believe in the printed word (newspapers), we believe in Television (serials).> > Serials are PURELY Business-Oriented stuff. Their purpose is certainly not to instil devotion - but to make you more addicted to the serial. More viewership, more advertisements - and more advertisements means more money! thats it.> > If those who create these serials, had very good intentions, why don't they present the Puranic episodes AS IT IS, rather than mixing their imagination with some Puranic incidents? (or if they want to sell their stories, why do they have to drag the Puranas into this? let them write good stories.) I think long ago, the Ramayana and Mahabharata were serialized and it was done maintaining fidelity (more or less) to the respective scriptures. Lately, the trend has changed for the worse.> > Srila Prabhupada used to say that so far so many editions of Bhagavad Gita have appeared in the market - but many are trying to sell> their own ideas - but they know they cannot capture the market with just their writing, so they make it into a commentary on the Gita. The brand name "Bhagavad Gita" has got lots of value and is most misused. This sort of nonsense is happening all around - and this epidemic has spread into Television as well.> > (Regarding the contradictions mentioned in the Puranas, you may read Bhattathiri's comments in Narayaneeyam Dasakam 90 which completely clarifies all our doubts. There is no way we can compare the blatant misuse of the scripture by serial makers to the contradictions in the Puranas.)> > I do not mean to offend anybody, but we should know about this slow poisoning through TV serials. Why don't we sit and read Bhagavatam, Gita, Ramayana, Mahabharata etc instead of wasting time infront of TV set? that will certainly instill devotion into all of us:> > "sadyo hrdi avarudhyate " - Bhagavatam> > That Lord Krishna will enter into our hearts without delay simply when we read / listen to Srimad Bhagavatam.> > -sriram> > --- On Wed,> 12/16/09, narayana_das77 narayanadas77 wrote:> > narayana_das77 narayanadas77 [Guruvayur] Re: Namasthe- Worship of many Gods> guruvayur > Wednesday, December 16, 2009, 8:38 PM> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Devotees,> > > > Since most of our other TV programs promote demonic culture , it is a> > great relief to watch the Puranic serials . It is true that certain> > topics in these Puranic serials differ from the original puranic text .> > It is OK as long as the fundamentals of vedic faith is not breached .> > Even in the Hindu puranas , one can find contradictions . In Siva purana> > , Lord Siva is supreme over other Gods whereas in the Vishnu purana> > Maha-Vishnu is the supreme God . All these are to cater to the > > spiritual requirements of different tastes of Devotees . As long as> > nothing contradicts the Vedas, such innovations are acceptable .> > > > It is true that in certain serials, Hindu Brahmin priests in their> > traditional constume are depicted as villains . This is totally> > unacceptable . We should be careful to accept what is good and reject> > what is evil . If someone intentionally tries to denigrate the vedic> > scripture, then he is playing with fire . Remember what happened to the> > famous Thikkurissi Sukumaran Nair . He wrote an obscene parady to> > Bhagavad Gita . But soon after it , his right hand became paralysed . It> > took him lot of 'prayachita' and ayurvedic treatments to recover .> > Thikkurissi said later in his inimitable style , "Kalla Krishnan enne> > veruthe vittillla . Avan enne Sharikkum oru patam pattippichu" .> > > > Let us be positive about the puranic serials . If they promote vedic> > faith among the viewers , it is good for everyone . Knowledgeable> > devotees should clear the doubts of other devotees , when queries are> > raised . There is no point in discouraging the people from watching the> > puranic serials .> > > > Regards,> > > > Das> > > > guruvayur@grou ps.com, Chithra Parameswaran> > <chithra_libran@ ...> wrote:> > >> > > really? so that Kimvadan character is not real? i watch that> > serial regularly. But then we dont know which particular text the> > director is following. Different text specify different stories. you> > know that right? Â> > >> > > --- On Wed, 12/16/09, gopalkrishna25 gopalkrishna25@ ... wrote:> > >> > > gopalkrishna25 gopalkrishna25@ ...> > > [Guruvayur] Re: Namasthe- Worship of many Gods> > > guruvayur@grou ps.com> > > Wednesday, December 16, 2009, 6:04 AM> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > Â> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > Respected Sureshji,> > >> > >> > >> > > I humbly request you to please not to go after the T.V. Serials since> > they are all fabricated stories to get viewership . Like Savitriji , We> > too have stopped watching one Serial Named Guruvayoorappan telecasted by> > one of the leading Malayalam Channels since it introduced a New> > charector named KIMVADAN .Being some one who is born and brought up in> > Guruvayoor , I have never heard of such a charector in my life . Since> > there was vast difference from what I have learned and being telecasted> > , we decided not to watch any other serials based on Gods.> > >> > >> > >> > > Gopalakrishnan> > >> > >> > >> > > guruvayur@grou ps.com, SURESH C KURUP <sureshckurup@ ...>> > wrote:> > >> > > >> > >> > > > Om Namo Narayanaya> > >> > > >> > >> > > > Dear Savitri Ji,> > >> > > >> > >> > > > It is a thought on the subject which you worte.> > >> > > >> > >> > > > There are stories about GODS in puranams from the time> > immemorial. Ordinary people accept it on the ground that, there> > must be something behind it, which cannot be grasped by the ordinary> > minds.> > >> > > >> > >> > > > But, now a days there are a lot of TV Serials telecast on Devi,> > Krishna, Ayyappa etc. wherein THEY are depicted with the extreme human> > qualities like anger, lust, crook, hate, love etc. etc. They> > fabricate the stories to stir the viewers' mind and to create anxiety in> > the people, in a competitive manner.> > >> > > >> > >> > > > The thing is that, in our purnams Lord Ganesha obtains the Mango> > from their parents by crook (eventhough we say that, "our parents is our> > world"), and therefore, Lord Muruka abandons HIS parents and in anger in> > such a way that the human beings act in such circumstances. > > Sometimes I think Lord Shiva, Parvathy, Ganesha, Muruka all they are> > GODs and how can they act like this for a silly matter. Skandan,> > being the master of vedantham would do such an act? And if done,> > what is the moral in that? There are a lot of stories in which the GODs> > behave with human qualities.> > >> > > >> > >> > > > In an another story in a TV Serial, a married young lady is> > disturbed by a Cruel man and Parashakthi knows about this from the> > beginning and doest not do anything until she is totally become> > useless. At last, DEVI comes and kills the man in a brutal way> > to satisfy the viewers' ego. I dont think that there are such> > stories in any puranams and even parashakthi herself does not know about> > these stories.> > >> > > >> > >> > > > All these stroies are justifiable for the poeple who are> > superstitious or immersed in blind bhakthi, without knowing the real GOD> > and IT's nature. Others will think about the difference between> > GOD and human being.> > >> > > >> > >> > > > Om Namo Narayanaya> > >> > > >> > >> > > > Suresh C. Kurup> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > --- On Mon, 14/12/09, Savitri Puram <savitriopuram@ ...> wrote:> > >> > > >> > >> > > > Savitri Puram <savitriopuram@ ...>> > >> > > > [Guruvayur] Namasthe- Worship of many Gods> > >> > > > To:> > >> > > > Monday, 14 December, 2009, 1:40 PM> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > ÂÂ> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > Dear all,> > >> > > >> > >> > > > Here is a dialogue between a curious non-Hindu and a learned Hindu> > >> > > >> > >> > > > A non- Hindu : Respected sir, why do Hindus worship so many Gods?> > And it seems Ganesha and Karthikeya are sons of one of your Goddess> > Parvathy. And Parvathy is the sister of Lord Krishna etc.> > >> > > >> > >> > > > Hindu: Sir, our God, your God and all Gods of all religions are the> > same. But to make ordinary people understand the concept of God, seers> > of the past meditated upon special combinations of letters called> > Manthraas (after trying several different combinations they came up with> > certain divine combinations) and the indescribable Power appeared to> > them in divine forms. For example, when they meditated upon the> > combination of letters OM namo Naaraayanaaya, a certain form which> > filled the whole universe appeared and they called them Vishnu. When> > they meditated upon Om Namo Bhgavathe Vaasudevaaya, they could see> > another form of the same power. They tried another combination Om Nama> > shivaaya and saw another form which they called Shiva. Then Sree> > durgaayai Nama: gave a female form and they called that form Durga, then> > Lakshmi etc. But they knew that all these forms are only manifestations> > of the same power or parmaathma chaithanyam.> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > Let me explain to you in a more convincing way. There was a lady who> > was member of a large family of ten. She was the eighth or ninth child.> > Let us call her Sathi. She was an AUNT when she was born, to many nieces> > and nephews who were older than her. This happened because her eldest> > sister was 23 years older than her! So she was a DAUGHTER to her> > parents, she was YOUNGER SISTER to her elder brothers and sisters, at> > the same time she was a GRANDDAUGHTER, she was a NIECE to her mother's> > and father's siblings. When she grew up she became a WIFE, she became a> > DAUGHTER-IN LAW, she became a MOTHER and eventually she will become a> > GRANDMOTHER. The same person was known as all these people and everybody> > liked her as they saw her.> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > Likewise, our God manifests in different forms with different names> > (vividha naamaroopam) and for some, as formless Paramaathma chaithanyam.> > He appears as Lord Shiva, Godess Parvathy , Lord Krishna. Lord Ganesha,> > Lord Karthikeya etc etc with divine attributes and also as sun, moon,> > stars and planets. Depending on the attitude of the person seeing Him,> > He is omnipresent or He is just in a deity in the temple. He fills the> > Universe as Viraat Purushan, He is in Brahma, He is in an ant and He is> > in you and me! That is why we worship Him in many forms. It is not out> > of ignorance, but out of intelligence!> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > Non-Hindu: Thank you for the explanation.> > >> > > >> > >> > > > Learned Hindu: Sir, Hindus use this explanation not to convert> > non-Hindus to Hindus, but to make people aware of Sanathana dharmam and> > you know we believe that there is no religion in this world other than> > Sanathana Dharmam. 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Guest guest Posted December 18, 2009 Report Share Posted December 18, 2009 Dear DevoteeIt is not at all inspired by your mail. I siad what I observed while watching a TV Serials and I wrote it in connection with a mail posted by an other devotee in the group.Om Namo NarayanayaSuresh C. Kurup--- On Thu, 17/12/09, gopalkrishna25 <gopalkrishna25 wrote:gopalkrishna25 <gopalkrishna25[Guruvayur] Re: Namasthe- Worship of many Godsguruvayur Date: Thursday, 17 December, 2009, 2:09 AM DEAR GURUDEVS, I think I have made a mistake in my last message about the Puranic Serials since some of the devottees have taken it as a campaign aginst such serials .What my intention was not to belive what ever being telecasted since the real story and whatever being telecasted are having a lot of difference .Just to make the viewers anxious and to add more viewership the stories are being cooked up . So once again I plead to pardon me for what I have written. Gopalakrishnan guruvayur@grou ps.com, "narayana_das77" <narayanadas77@ ...> wrote: > > > Dear Devotees, > > Since most of our other TV programs promote demonic culture , it is a > great relief to watch the Puranic serials . It is true that certain > topics in these Puranic serials differ from the original puranic text . > It is OK as long as the fundamentals of vedic faith is not breached . > Even in the Hindu puranas , one can find contradictions . In Siva purana > , Lord Siva is supreme over other Gods whereas in the Vishnu purana > Maha-Vishnu is the supreme God . All these are to cater to the > spiritual requirements of different tastes of Devotees . As long as > nothing contradicts the Vedas, such innovations are acceptable . > > It is true that in certain serials, Hindu Brahmin priests in their > traditional constume are depicted as villains . This is totally > unacceptable . We should be careful to accept what is good and reject > what is evil . If someone intentionally tries to denigrate the vedic > scripture, then he is playing with fire . Remember what happened to the > famous Thikkurissi Sukumaran Nair . He wrote an obscene parady to > Bhagavad Gita . But soon after it , his right hand became paralysed . It > took him lot of 'prayachita' and ayurvedic treatments to recover . > Thikkurissi said later in his inimitable style , "Kalla Krishnan enne > veruthe vittillla . Avan enne Sharikkum oru patam pattippichu" . > > Let us be positive about the puranic serials . If they promote vedic > faith among the viewers , it is good for everyone . Knowledgeable > devotees should clear the doubts of other devotees , when queries are > raised . There is no point in discouraging the people from watching the > puranic serials . > > Regards, > > Das > > > > > guruvayur@grou ps.com, Chithra Parameswaran > <chithra_libran@ > wrote: > > > > really? so that Kimvadan character is not real? i watch that > serial regularly. But then we dont know which particular text the > director is following. Different text specify different stories. you > know that right?  > > > > --- On Wed, 12/16/09, gopalkrishna25 gopalkrishna25@ wrote: > > > > gopalkrishna25 gopalkrishna25@ > > [Guruvayur] Re: Namasthe- Worship of many Gods > > guruvayur@grou ps.com > > Wednesday, December 16, 2009, 6:04 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected Sureshji, > > > > > > > > I humbly request you to please not to go after the T.V. Serials since > they are all fabricated stories to get viewership . Like Savitriji , We > too have stopped watching one Serial Named Guruvayoorappan telecasted by > one of the leading Malayalam Channels since it introduced a New > charector named KIMVADAN .Being some one who is born and brought up in > Guruvayoor , I have never heard of such a charector in my life . Since > there was vast difference from what I have learned and being telecasted > , we decided not to watch any other serials based on Gods. > > > > > > > > Gopalakrishnan > > > > > > > > guruvayur@grou ps.com, SURESH C KURUP <sureshckurup@ ...> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Om Namo Narayanaya > > > > > > > > > > Dear Savitri Ji, > > > > > > > > > > It is a thought on the subject which you worte. > > > > > > > > > > There are stories about GODS in puranams from the time > immemorial. Ordinary people accept it on the ground that, there > must be something behind it, which cannot be grasped by the ordinary > minds. > > > > > > > > > > But, now a days there are a lot of TV Serials telecast on Devi, > Krishna, Ayyappa etc. wherein THEY are depicted with the extreme human > qualities like anger, lust, crook, hate, love etc. etc. They > fabricate the stories to stir the viewers' mind and to create anxiety in > the people, in a competitive manner. > > > > > > > > > > The thing is that, in our purnams Lord Ganesha obtains the Mango > from their parents by crook (eventhough we say that, "our parents is our > world"), and therefore, Lord Muruka abandons HIS parents and in anger in > such a way that the human beings act in such circumstances. > Sometimes I think Lord Shiva, Parvathy, Ganesha, Muruka all they are > GODs and how can they act like this for a silly matter. Skandan, > being the master of vedantham would do such an act? And if done, > what is the moral in that? There are a lot of stories in which the GODs > behave with human qualities. > > > > > > > > > > In an another story in a TV Serial, a married young lady is > disturbed by a Cruel man and Parashakthi knows about this from the > beginning and doest not do anything until she is totally become > useless. At last, DEVI comes and kills the man in a brutal way > to satisfy the viewers' ego. I dont think that there are such > stories in any puranams and even parashakthi herself does not know about > these stories. > > > > > > > > > > All these stroies are justifiable for the poeple who are > superstitious or immersed in blind bhakthi, without knowing the real GOD > and IT's nature. Others will think about the difference between > GOD and human being. > > > > > > > > > > Om Namo Narayanaya > > > > > > > > > > Suresh C. Kurup > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Mon, 14/12/09, Savitri Puram <savitriopuram@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Savitri Puram <savitriopuram@ ...> > > > > > [Guruvayur] Namasthe- Worship of many Gods > > > > > To: > > > > > Monday, 14 December, 2009, 1:40 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear all, > > > > > > > > > > Here is a dialogue between a curious non-Hindu and a learned Hindu > > > > > > > > > > A non- Hindu : Respected sir, why do Hindus worship so many Gods? > And it seems Ganesha and Karthikeya are sons of one of your Goddess > Parvathy. And Parvathy is the sister of Lord Krishna etc. > > > > > > > > > > Hindu: Sir, our God, your God and all Gods of all religions are the > same. But to make ordinary people understand the concept of God, seers > of the past meditated upon special combinations of letters called > Manthraas (after trying several different combinations they came up with > certain divine combinations) and the indescribable Power appeared to > them in divine forms. For example, when they meditated upon the > combination of letters OM namo Naaraayanaaya, a certain form which > filled the whole universe appeared and they called them Vishnu. When > they meditated upon Om Namo Bhgavathe Vaasudevaaya, they could see > another form of the same power. They tried another combination Om Nama > shivaaya and saw another form which they called Shiva. Then Sree > durgaayai Nama: gave a female form and they called that form Durga, then > Lakshmi etc. But they knew that all these forms are only manifestations > of the same power or parmaathma chaithanyam. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let me explain to you in a more convincing way. There was a lady who > was member of a large family of ten. She was the eighth or ninth child. > Let us call her Sathi. She was an AUNT when she was born, to many nieces > and nephews who were older than her. This happened because her eldest > sister was 23 years older than her! So she was a DAUGHTER to her > parents, she was YOUNGER SISTER to her elder brothers and sisters, at > the same time she was a GRANDDAUGHTER, she was a NIECE to her mother's > and father's siblings. When she grew up she became a WIFE, she became a > DAUGHTER-IN LAW, she became a MOTHER and eventually she will become a > GRANDMOTHER. The same person was known as all these people and everybody > liked her as they saw her. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Likewise, our God manifests in different forms with different names > (vividha naamaroopam) and for some, as formless Paramaathma chaithanyam. > He appears as Lord Shiva, Godess Parvathy , Lord Krishna. Lord Ganesha, > Lord Karthikeya etc etc with divine attributes and also as sun, moon, > stars and planets. Depending on the attitude of the person seeing Him, > He is omnipresent or He is just in a deity in the temple. He fills the > Universe as Viraat Purushan, He is in Brahma, He is in an ant and He is > in you and me! That is why we worship Him in many forms. It is not out > of ignorance, but out of intelligence! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Non-Hindu: Thank you for the explanation. > > > > > > > > > > Learned Hindu: Sir, Hindus use this explanation not to convert > non-Hindus to Hindus, but to make people aware of Sanathana dharmam and > you know we believe that there is no religion in this world other than > Sanathana Dharmam. And it is not a religion, it is a way of life! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards and prayers > > > > > > > > > > Savitri > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. > http://in.. com/ > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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