Vibrant Gujarat? 98% Dalits have to drink tea in separate cups

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Vibrant Gujarat? 98%

Dalits have to drink tea in separate cups

Vijaysinh

Parmar, TNN 8 December 2009, 02:02am IST

 

SANAND

(Ahmedabad dist): This is the taluka where Tata Motors has parked its small car

project. Nano has become a symbol of Gujarat's

pride and became a centre of attraction at the last Vibrant Gujarat investment

summit in January 2009.

 

But scratch the surface, and the scene is gloomy beneath this economic boom in

the state. Bhikhabhai Solanki, 50, a native of Lodariyal village, has never shaken

hands with non-Dalits in his life. Bhikhabhai, an agricultural labourer, is

Valmiki by caste - the lowest of the socially downtrodden. "We are

untouchables and nobody touches us here," he says.

 

The farmer he works for keeps a tea-cup outside his house. Whenever Bhikhabhai

arrived for work in the morning or leaves after finishing in the evening, tea

is poured into the cup. Strangely, this form of untouchability goes in the name

of religion. These cups are called ‘Ram patra'.

 

The practice thrives across Gujarat, without exception, and has been documented

extensively in a first-of-its-kind study on a large scale, representing 98,000

Dalits across 1,655 villages in Gujarat. The

study has been carried out by Ahmedabad-based Navsarjan Trust with three US-based

organisations - the Kroc Institute for International Peace Studies at the

University of Notre Dame, Indiana, Dartmouth College

at the University of Michigan and Robert F Kennedy Centre for Social

Justice and Human Rights, Washington,

D.C.

 

"This has been going on for generations. The only change is that earlier

there used to be cups made of clay and now they are made of steel," says

Bhikhabhai. He confesses that drinking the tea offered by his master does hurt

his dignity. But then, he does not want to lose his daily wage because he has

to feed five other members of his family. His daughter-in-law, Ambha, agrees.

She points out that she carries her own utensils to work, but the person who

serves the afternoon meal at the farm drops the food into the plate without

touching it.

 

In Lodariyal, Dalit women can't touch vegetables at the shop just to sample

them. Only once they pay up, and the money is kept on the side and not handed

over, the vegetables are flung into the hollow of their saree. The tea stall

owner gives tea to Dalits only in disposable plastic cups. Others get it in

ceramic cups.

 

According to the study, 98 per cent of the respondents said that non-Dalits

keep separate utensils at home to serve them food or tea. The same

discrimination goes only slight down to 96 per cent on farms.

 

Dalit rights activist Martin Macwan of Navsarjan Trust says: "In every

step of untouchability, the same concept is being applied - that of purity. Gujarat has only tried to dignify an indignity by calling

these separate utensils as ‘Ram patra'".

 

QnA: Is

the Indian society straying from the tolerant nature its known for?

 

FROM: http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Vibrant-Gujarat-98-Dalits-have-to-drink-tea-in-separate-cups/articleshow/5312335.cms

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Mr.Panicker

 

This is really not the topic of discussion in the Bhakthi forum.

 

And why Gujarat ? Just because its ruled by BJP or a party with Hindu Agenda

 

Please make sure we create bhakthi through our vibrant group not the division, the matter of casteisum is more in UP , Maharashatra and entire india not just Gujarat.

 

People with vested interest want to project the Gujrat in a bad mood, to create the panic to the government and to bring down the BJP govt.

 

What every one prove here is simple, hari dharma is dosent believe in untouchability and the group members are aware of that and we dont need any separate article to know the about it

 

Sorry if i am rude,

 

Spread the wings of bhakthi , not hate in any form on any one!!

 

Jai Shri Krishna

 

Thanks--- On Sun, 13/12/09, Udayabhanu Panickar <udhayabhanupanickar wrote:

Udayabhanu Panickar <udhayabhanupanickar[Guruvayur] Vibrant Gujarat? 98% Dalits have to drink tea in separate cups"Guruvayur " <guruvayur >Sunday, 13 December, 2009, 9:21 AM

 

 

 

 

 

Vibrant Gujarat ? 98% Dalits have to drink tea in separate cups

Vijaysinh Parmar, TNN 8 December 2009, 02:02am IST

 

SANAND (Ahmedabad dist): This is the taluka where Tata Motors has parked its small car project. Nano has become a symbol of Gujarat 's pride and became a centre of attraction at the last Vibrant Gujarat investment summit in January 2009. But scratch the surface, and the scene is gloomy beneath this economic boom in the state. Bhikhabhai Solanki, 50, a native of Lodariyal village, has never shaken hands with non-Dalits in his life. Bhikhabhai, an agricultural labourer, is Valmiki by caste - the lowest of the socially downtrodden. "We are untouchables and nobody touches us here," he says. The farmer he works for keeps a tea-cup outside his house. Whenever Bhikhabhai arrived for work in the morning or leaves after finishing in the evening, tea is poured into the cup. Strangely, this form of untouchability goes in the name of religion. These cups are called ‘Ram patra'. The practice thrives across Gujarat,

without exception, and has been documented extensively in a first-of-its- kind study on a large scale, representing 98,000 Dalits across 1,655 villages in Gujarat . The study has been carried out by Ahmedabad-based Navsarjan Trust with three US-based organisations - the Kroc Institute for International Peace Studies at the University of Notre Dame, Indiana , Dartmouth College at the University of Michigan and Robert F Kennedy Centre for Social Justice and Human Rights, Washington , D.C. "This has been going on for generations. The only change is that earlier there used to be cups made of clay and now they are made of steel," says Bhikhabhai. He confesses that drinking the tea offered by his master does hurt his dignity. But then, he does not want to lose his daily wage because he has to feed five other members of his family. His daughter-in- law, Ambha, agrees. She points out that she carries her own utensils to work, but the person who serves

the afternoon meal at the farm drops the food into the plate without touching it. In Lodariyal, Dalit women can't touch vegetables at the shop just to sample them. Only once they pay up, and the money is kept on the side and not handed over, the vegetables are flung into the hollow of their saree. The tea stall owner gives tea to Dalits only in disposable plastic cups. Others get it in ceramic cups. According to the study, 98 per cent of the respondents said that non-Dalits keep separate utensils at home to serve them food or tea. The same discrimination goes only slight down to 96 per cent on farms. Dalit rights activist Martin Macwan of Navsarjan Trust says: "In every step of untouchability, the same concept is being applied - that of purity. Gujarat has only tried to dignify an indignity by calling these separate utensils as ‘Ram patra'". QnA: Is the Indian society straying from the tolerant nature its known for?

 

FROM: http://timesofindia .indiatimes. com/india/ Vibrant-Gujarat- 98-Dalits- have-to-drink- tea-in-separate- cups/articleshow /5312335. cms

 

 

Sincerely,Udayabhanu Panickaraum namaH Shivaaya

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I WONDER WHY OUR KRISHNA FAITH,WASTE TIME IN ALL UNWANTED ISSUES

IT IS FOR THE OTHER FORUM TO TAKE ACTION

WE KRISHNA WILL TAKE ACTION FOR ANY CRIME,WHAT EVER IT IS

I FULLY SUPPORT MURALIDHAR FOR HIS FRANK VIEWS

SORRY

OUR ONLY SUBJECT IS KRISHNA KRISHNA AND KRISHNA ONLY

narayana krishnamoorthi

On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 12:26 AM, muralidhar rajgopal <muralidhar_y2k2001 wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Mr.Panicker

 

This is really not the topic of discussion in the Bhakthi forum.

 

And why Gujarat ? Just because its ruled by BJP or a party with Hindu Agenda

 

Please make sure we create bhakthi through our vibrant group not the division, the matter of casteisum is more in UP , Maharashatra and entire india not just Gujarat.

 

People with vested interest want to project the Gujrat in a bad mood, to create the panic to the government and to bring down the BJP govt.

 

What every one prove here is simple, hari dharma is dosent believe in untouchability and the group members are aware of that and we dont need any separate article to know the about it

 

Sorry if i am rude,

 

Spread the wings of bhakthi , not hate in any form on any one!!

 

Jai Shri Krishna

 

Thanks--- On Sun, 13/12/09, Udayabhanu Panickar <udhayabhanupanickar wrote:

Udayabhanu Panickar <udhayabhanupanickar[Guruvayur] Vibrant Gujarat? 98% Dalits have to drink tea in separate cups

" Guruvayur " <guruvayur >Sunday, 13 December, 2009, 9:21 AM

 

 

 

 

 

 

Vibrant Gujarat ? 98% Dalits have to drink tea in separate cups

Vijaysinh Parmar, TNN 8 December 2009, 02:02am IST

 

SANAND (Ahmedabad dist): This is the taluka where Tata Motors has parked its small car project. Nano has become a symbol of Gujarat 's pride and became a centre of attraction at the last Vibrant Gujarat investment summit in January 2009.

But scratch the surface, and the scene is gloomy beneath this economic boom in the state. Bhikhabhai Solanki, 50, a native of Lodariyal village, has never shaken hands with non-Dalits in his life. Bhikhabhai, an agricultural labourer, is Valmiki by caste - the lowest of the socially downtrodden. " We are untouchables and nobody touches us here, " he says.

The farmer he works for keeps a tea-cup outside his house. Whenever Bhikhabhai arrived for work in the morning or leaves after finishing in the evening, tea is poured into the cup. Strangely, this form of untouchability goes in the name of religion. These cups are called ‘Ram patra'.

The practice thrives across Gujarat, without exception, and has been documented extensively in a first-of-its- kind study on a large scale, representing 98,000 Dalits across 1,655 villages in Gujarat . The study has been carried out by Ahmedabad-based Navsarjan Trust with three US-based organisations - the Kroc Institute for International Peace Studies at the University of Notre Dame, Indiana , Dartmouth College at the University of Michigan and Robert F Kennedy Centre for Social Justice and Human Rights, Washington , D.C.

" This has been going on for generations. The only change is that earlier there used to be cups made of clay and now they are made of steel, " says Bhikhabhai. He confesses that drinking the tea offered by his master does hurt his dignity. But then, he does not want to lose his daily wage because he has to feed five other members of his family. His daughter-in- law, Ambha, agrees. She points out that she carries her own utensils to work, but the person who serves the afternoon meal at the farm drops the food into the plate without touching it.

In Lodariyal, Dalit women can't touch vegetables at the shop just to sample them. Only once they pay up, and the money is kept on the side and not handed over, the vegetables are flung into the hollow of their saree. The tea stall owner gives tea to Dalits only in disposable plastic cups. Others get it in ceramic cups.

According to the study, 98 per cent of the respondents said that non-Dalits keep separate utensils at home to serve them food or tea. The same discrimination goes only slight down to 96 per cent on farms. Dalit rights activist Martin Macwan of Navsarjan Trust says: " In every step of untouchability, the same concept is being applied - that of purity. Gujarat has only tried to dignify an indignity by calling these separate utensils as ‘Ram patra' " .

QnA: Is the Indian society straying from the tolerant nature its known for?

  FROM: http://timesofindia .indiatimes. com/india/ Vibrant-Gujarat- 98-Dalits- have-to-drink- tea-in-separate- cups/articleshow /5312335. cms

 

 

 

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Hari-Om

 

Just a few words. I do not wish to Prolong this discusion. We gurudevas should

not get excited and use impolite language because some ideas do not agree with

our own views.

This subject, although not drectly, is connected with bhakti.

What is the use of bhakti if one offers palpayasam on a silver platter to the

murthy at the temple and back home treats the fellow

human being like dirt because that person is poor and a manual worker.

Is it not pure hypocracy ? Treating fellow beings with kindness and respect is

part of Hindu philosophy.

 

 

jai shree krishna !

 

Achuthan Nair

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

guruvayur , Krishnamoorthi Venkatraman

<krishnamoorthi.venkatraman wrote:

>

> IAM PAINED

> I WONDER WHY OUR KRISHNA FAITH,WASTE TIME IN ALL UNWANTED ISSUES

> IT IS FOR THE OTHER FORUM TO TAKE ACTION

> WE KRISHNA WILL TAKE ACTION FOR ANY CRIME,WHAT EVER IT IS

> I FULLY SUPPORT MURALIDHAR FOR HIS FRANK VIEWS

> SORRY

> OUR ONLY SUBJECT IS KRISHNA KRISHNA AND KRISHNA ONLY

> narayana krishnamoorthi

>

> On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 12:26 AM, muralidhar rajgopal <

> muralidhar_y2k2001 wrote:

>

> >

> >

> > Mr.Panicker

> >

> > This is really not the topic of discussion in the Bhakthi forum.

> >

> > And why Gujarat ? Just because its ruled by BJP or a party with Hindu

> > Agenda

> >

> > Please make sure we create bhakthi through our vibrant group not the

> > division, the matter of casteisum is more in UP , Maharashatra and entire

> > india not just Gujarat.

> >

> > People with vested interest want to project the Gujrat in a bad mood, to

> > create the panic to the government and to bring down the BJP govt.

> >

> > What every one prove here is simple, hari dharma is dosent believe in

> > untouchability and the group members are aware of that and we dont need any

> > separate article to know the about it

> >

> > Sorry if i am rude,

> >

> > Spread the wings of bhakthi , not hate in any form on any one!!

> >

> > Jai Shri Krishna

> >

> > Thanks

> >

> > --- On *Sun, 13/12/09, Udayabhanu Panickar <udhayabhanupanickar

> > * wrote:

> >

> >

> > Udayabhanu Panickar <udhayabhanupanickar

> > [Guruvayur] Vibrant Gujarat? 98% Dalits have to drink tea in

> > separate cups

> > " Guruvayur " <guruvayur >

> > Sunday, 13 December, 2009, 9:21 AM

> >

> >

> >

> > Vibrant Gujarat ? 98% Dalits have to drink tea in separate cups

> >

> > Vijaysinh Parmar, TNN 8 December 2009, 02:02am IST

> >

> >

> >

> > SANAND (Ahmedabad dist): This is the taluka where Tata Motors has parked

> > its small car project. Nano has become a symbol of Gujarat 's pride and

> > became a centre of attraction at the last Vibrant Gujarat investment summit

> > in January 2009.

> >

> > But scratch the surface, and the scene is gloomy beneath this economic boom

> > in the state. Bhikhabhai Solanki, 50, a native of Lodariyal village, has

> > never shaken hands with non-Dalits in his life. Bhikhabhai, an agricultural

> > labourer, is Valmiki by caste - the lowest of the socially downtrodden. " We

> > are untouchables and nobody touches us here, " he says.

> >

> > The farmer he works for keeps a tea-cup outside his house. Whenever

> > Bhikhabhai arrived for work in the morning or leaves after finishing in the

> > evening, tea is poured into the cup. Strangely, this form of untouchability

> > goes in the name of religion. These cups are called `Ram patra'.

> >

> > The practice thrives across Gujarat, without exception, and has been

> > documented extensively in a first-of-its- kind study on a large scale,

> > representing 98,000 Dalits across 1,655 villages in Gujarat . The study has

> > been carried out by Ahmedabad-based Navsarjan Trust with three US-based

> > organisations - the Kroc Institute for International Peace Studies at the

> > University of Notre Dame, Indiana , Dartmouth College at the University of

> > Michigan and Robert F Kennedy Centre for Social Justice and Human Rights,

> > Washington , D.C.

> >

> > " This has been going on for generations. The only change is that earlier

> > there used to be cups made of clay and now they are made of steel, " says

> > Bhikhabhai. He confesses that drinking the tea offered by his master does

> > hurt his dignity. But then, he does not want to lose his daily wage because

> > he has to feed five other members of his family. His daughter-in- law,

> > Ambha, agrees. She points out that she carries her own utensils to work, but

> > the person who serves the afternoon meal at the farm drops the food into the

> > plate without touching it.

> >

> > In Lodariyal, Dalit women can't touch vegetables at the shop just to sample

> > them. Only once they pay up, and the money is kept on the side and not

> > handed over, the vegetables are flung into the hollow of their saree. The

> > tea stall owner gives tea to Dalits only in disposable plastic cups. Others

> > get it in ceramic cups.

> >

> > According to the study, 98 per cent of the respondents said that non-Dalits

> > keep separate utensils at home to serve them food or tea. The same

> > discrimination goes only slight down to 96 per cent on farms.

> >

> > Dalit rights activist Martin Macwan of Navsarjan Trust says: " In every step

> > of untouchability, the same concept is being applied - that of purity.

> > Gujarat has only tried to dignify an indignity by calling these separate

> > utensils as `Ram patra' " .

> >

> > QnA: Is the Indian society straying from the tolerant nature its known

> > for?

> >

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> >

> >

> >

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> > 98-Dalits- have-to-drink- tea-in-separate- cups/articleshow /5312335.

cms<http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Vibrant-Gujarat-98-Dalits-have-to-d\

rink-tea-in-separate-cups/articleshow/5312335.cms>

> >

> > Sincerely,

> > Udayabhanu Panickar

> > *aum namaH Shivaaya*

> > Fiber Foods Reduce Cholesterol and Blood Sugar. Antioxidants incapacitate

> > cell-damaging free radicals in the body. Free radicals have been implicated

> > in everything from Cancer, Parkinson's and Alzheimer's. Beans are high in

> > fiber and antioxidants. Meat contains neither fiber nor Antioxidants. *LET

> > US NOT EAT FLESH. LET US EAT BEANS.*

> >

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> >

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Dear all,

 

Whatever Mr.Panicker pointed out is a matter which affects the belief we are following...that is of hinduism...i believe its just a cry of true hindu which he tried to share with his fellow blessed souls after reading this article which myself also could not digest.

 

Why cant we as a group who prays together pray that the our hindu friends in whichever place they are practising this kind of discrimination and disgrace our sacred religion realise the true meaning of being a hindu and start seeing in everyone our beloved Krishna Bhagavan and love everybody.

 

I am sorry if am spontanoeusly reacted to this. All gurudevs please correct me if i crossed the limit.

 

I think its truly a matter to be discussed in our group as we can help each other in defining how a true bakhtha should behave.

 

Om Namo Narayanaya

Om Namo Bhaghavthe Vasudevaya

 

With Regards

Arun Sasi 

On 12/15/09, Tigers tail <anair1101 wrote:

 

 

 

 

Hari-OmJust a few words. I do not wish to Prolong this discusion. We gurudevas should not get excited and use impolite language because some ideas do not agree with our own views. This subject, although not drectly, is connected with bhakti.

What is the use of bhakti if one offers palpayasam on a silver platter to the murthy at the temple and back home treats the fellow human being like dirt because that person is poor and a manual worker.Is it not pure hypocracy ? Treating fellow beings with kindness and respect is part of Hindu philosophy.

jai shree krishna !Achuthan Nairguruvayur , Krishnamoorthi Venkatraman <krishnamoorthi.venkatraman wrote:

>> IAM PAINED> I WONDER WHY OUR KRISHNA FAITH,WASTE TIME IN ALL UNWANTED ISSUES> IT IS FOR THE OTHER FORUM TO TAKE ACTION> WE KRISHNA WILL TAKE ACTION FOR ANY CRIME,WHAT EVER IT IS> I FULLY SUPPORT MURALIDHAR FOR HIS FRANK VIEWS

> SORRY> OUR ONLY SUBJECT IS KRISHNA KRISHNA AND KRISHNA ONLY> narayana krishnamoorthi> > On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 12:26 AM, muralidhar rajgopal <> muralidhar_y2k2001 wrote:

> > >> >> > Mr.Panicker> >> > This is really not the topic of discussion in the Bhakthi forum.> >> > And why Gujarat ? Just because its ruled by BJP or a party with Hindu

> > Agenda> >> > Please make sure we create bhakthi through our vibrant group not the> > division, the matter of casteisum is more in UP , Maharashatra and entire> > india not just Gujarat.

> >> > People with vested interest want to project the Gujrat in a bad mood, to> > create the panic to the government and to bring down the BJP govt.> >> > What every one prove here is simple, hari dharma is dosent believe in

> > untouchability and the group members are aware of that and we dont need any> > separate article to know the about it> >> > Sorry if i am rude,> >> > Spread the wings of bhakthi , not hate in any form on any one!!

> >> > Jai Shri Krishna> >> > Thanks> >> > --- On *Sun, 13/12/09, Udayabhanu Panickar <udhayabhanupanickar> > * wrote:> >> >

> > Udayabhanu Panickar <udhayabhanupanickar > > [Guruvayur] Vibrant Gujarat? 98% Dalits have to drink tea in> > separate cups> > " Guruvayur " <guruvayur >

> > Sunday, 13 December, 2009, 9:21 AM> >> >> >> > Vibrant Gujarat ? 98% Dalits have to drink tea in separate cups> >> > Vijaysinh Parmar, TNN 8 December 2009, 02:02am IST

> >> >> >> > SANAND (Ahmedabad dist): This is the taluka where Tata Motors has parked> > its small car project. Nano has become a symbol of Gujarat 's pride and> > became a centre of attraction at the last Vibrant Gujarat investment summit

> > in January 2009.> >> > But scratch the surface, and the scene is gloomy beneath this economic boom> > in the state. Bhikhabhai Solanki, 50, a native of Lodariyal village, has> > never shaken hands with non-Dalits in his life. Bhikhabhai, an agricultural

> > labourer, is Valmiki by caste - the lowest of the socially downtrodden. " We> > are untouchables and nobody touches us here, " he says.> >> > The farmer he works for keeps a tea-cup outside his house. Whenever

> > Bhikhabhai arrived for work in the morning or leaves after finishing in the> > evening, tea is poured into the cup. Strangely, this form of untouchability> > goes in the name of religion. These cups are called `Ram patra'.

> >> > The practice thrives across Gujarat, without exception, and has been> > documented extensively in a first-of-its- kind study on a large scale,> > representing 98,000 Dalits across 1,655 villages in Gujarat . The study has

> > been carried out by Ahmedabad-based Navsarjan Trust with three US-based> > organisations - the Kroc Institute for International Peace Studies at the> > University of Notre Dame, Indiana , Dartmouth College at the University of

> > Michigan and Robert F Kennedy Centre for Social Justice and Human Rights,> > Washington , D.C.> >> > " This has been going on for generations. The only change is that earlier

> > there used to be cups made of clay and now they are made of steel, " says> > Bhikhabhai. He confesses that drinking the tea offered by his master does> > hurt his dignity. But then, he does not want to lose his daily wage because

> > he has to feed five other members of his family. His daughter-in- law,> > Ambha, agrees. She points out that she carries her own utensils to work, but> > the person who serves the afternoon meal at the farm drops the food into the

> > plate without touching it.> >> > In Lodariyal, Dalit women can't touch vegetables at the shop just to sample> > them. Only once they pay up, and the money is kept on the side and not

> > handed over, the vegetables are flung into the hollow of their saree. The> > tea stall owner gives tea to Dalits only in disposable plastic cups. Others> > get it in ceramic cups.> >

> > According to the study, 98 per cent of the respondents said that non-Dalits> > keep separate utensils at home to serve them food or tea. The same> > discrimination goes only slight down to 96 per cent on farms.

> >> > Dalit rights activist Martin Macwan of Navsarjan Trust says: " In every step> > of untouchability, the same concept is being applied - that of purity.> > Gujarat has only tried to dignify an indignity by calling these separate

> > utensils as `Ram patra' " .> >> > QnA: Is the Indian society straying from the tolerant nature its known> > for?> > <http://qna.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/?ref=permalinkquestion & question_id=262795>

> >> >> >> > FROM: http://timesofindia .indiatimes. com/india/ Vibrant-Gujarat-

> > 98-Dalits- have-to-drink- tea-in-separate- cups/articleshow /5312335. cms<http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Vibrant-Gujarat-98-Dalits-have-to-drink-tea-in-separate-cups/articleshow/5312335.cms>

> >> > Sincerely,> > Udayabhanu Panickar> > *aum namaH Shivaaya*> > Fiber Foods Reduce Cholesterol and Blood Sugar. Antioxidants incapacitate> > cell-damaging free radicals in the body. Free radicals have been implicated

> > in everything from Cancer, Parkinson's and Alzheimer's. Beans are high in> > fiber and antioxidants. Meat contains neither fiber nor Antioxidants. *LET> > US NOT EAT FLESH. LET US EAT BEANS.*

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Dear all,

 

Whatever Mr.Panicker pointed out is a matter which affects the belief we are following... that is of hinduism...i believe its just a cry of true hindu which he tried to share with his fellow blessed souls after reading this article which myself also could not digest.

 

Why cant we as a group who prays together pray that the our hindu friends in whichever place they are practising this kind of discrimination and disgrace our sacred religion realise the true meaning of being a hindu and start seeing in everyone our beloved Krishna Bhagavan and love everybody.

 

I am sorry if am spontanoeusly reacted to this. All gurudevs please correct me if i crossed the limit.

 

I think its truly a matter to be discussed in our group as we can help each other in defining how a true bakhtha should behave.

 

Om Namo Narayanaya

Om Namo Bhaghavthe Vasudevaya

 

With Regards

Arun Sasi

On 12/15/09, Tigers tail <anair1101 > wrote:

 

 

 

Hari-OmJust a few words. I do not wish to Prolong this discusion. We gurudevas should not get excited and use impolite language because some ideas do not agree with our own views. This subject, although not drectly, is connected with bhakti.

What is the use of bhakti if one offers palpayasam on a silver platter to the murthy at the temple and back home treats the fellow human being like dirt because that person is poor and a manual worker.Is it not pure hypocracy ? Treating fellow beings with kindness and respect is part of Hindu philosophy.

jai shree krishna !Achuthan Nairguruvayur@grou ps.com, Krishnamoorthi Venkatraman wrote:

>> IAM PAINED> I WONDER WHY OUR KRISHNA FAITH,WASTE TIME IN ALL UNWANTED ISSUES> IT IS FOR THE OTHER FORUM TO TAKE ACTION> WE KRISHNA WILL TAKE ACTION FOR ANY CRIME,WHAT EVER IT IS> I FULLY SUPPORT MURALIDHAR FOR HIS FRANK VIEWS

> SORRY> OUR ONLY SUBJECT IS KRISHNA KRISHNA AND KRISHNA ONLY> narayana krishnamoorthi> > On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 12:26 AM, muralidhar rajgopal <> muralidhar_y2k2001@ ...> wrote:

> > >> >> > Mr.Panicker> >> > This is really not the topic of discussion in the Bhakthi forum.> >> > And why Gujarat ? Just because its ruled by BJP or a party with Hindu

> > Agenda> >> > Please make sure we create bhakthi through our vibrant group not the> > division, the matter of casteisum is more in UP , Maharashatra and entire> > india not just Gujarat.

> >> > People with vested interest want to project the Gujrat in a bad mood, to> > create the panic to the government and to bring down the BJP govt.> >> > What every one prove here is simple, hari dharma is dosent believe in

> > untouchability and the group members are aware of that and we dont need any> > separate article to know the about it> >> > Sorry if i am rude,> >> > Spread the wings of bhakthi , not hate in any form on any one!!

> >> > Jai Shri Krishna> >> > Thanks> >> > --- On *Sun, 13/12/09, Udayabhanu Panickar > > * wrote:> >> >

> > Udayabhanu Panickar > > [Guruvayur] Vibrant Gujarat? 98% Dalits have to drink tea in> > separate cups> > "Guruvayur " <guruvayur@grou ps.com>

> > Sunday, 13 December, 2009, 9:21 AM> >> >> >> > Vibrant Gujarat ? 98% Dalits have to drink tea in separate cups> >> > Vijaysinh Parmar, TNN 8 December 2009, 02:02am IST

> >> >> >> > SANAND (Ahmedabad dist): This is the taluka where Tata Motors has parked> > its small car project. Nano has become a symbol of Gujarat 's pride and> > became a centre of attraction at the last Vibrant Gujarat investment summit

> > in January 2009.> >> > But scratch the surface, and the scene is gloomy beneath this economic boom> > in the state. Bhikhabhai Solanki, 50, a native of Lodariyal village, has> > never shaken hands with non-Dalits in his life. Bhikhabhai, an agricultural

> > labourer, is Valmiki by caste - the lowest of the socially downtrodden. "We> > are untouchables and nobody touches us here," he says.> >> > The farmer he works for keeps a tea-cup outside his house. Whenever

> > Bhikhabhai arrived for work in the morning or leaves after finishing in the> > evening, tea is poured into the cup. Strangely, this form of untouchability> > goes in the name of religion. These cups are called `Ram patra'.

> >> > The practice thrives across Gujarat, without exception, and has been> > documented extensively in a first-of-its- kind study on a large scale,> > representing 98,000 Dalits across 1,655 villages in Gujarat . The study has

> > been carried out by Ahmedabad-based Navsarjan Trust with three US-based> > organisations - the Kroc Institute for International Peace Studies at the> > University of Notre Dame, Indiana , Dartmouth College at the University of

> > Michigan and Robert F Kennedy Centre for Social Justice and Human Rights,> > Washington , D.C.> >> > "This has been going on for generations. The only change is that earlier

> > there used to be cups made of clay and now they are made of steel," says> > Bhikhabhai. He confesses that drinking the tea offered by his master does> > hurt his dignity. But then, he does not want to lose his daily wage because

> > he has to feed five other members of his family. His daughter-in- law,> > Ambha, agrees. She points out that she carries her own utensils to work, but> > the person who serves the afternoon meal at the farm drops the food into the

> > plate without touching it.> >> > In Lodariyal, Dalit women can't touch vegetables at the shop just to sample> > them. Only once they pay up, and the money is kept on the side and not

> > handed over, the vegetables are flung into the hollow of their saree. The> > tea stall owner gives tea to Dalits only in disposable plastic cups. Others> > get it in ceramic cups.> >

> > According to the study, 98 per cent of the respondents said that non-Dalits> > keep separate utensils at home to serve them food or tea. The same> > discrimination goes only slight down to 96 per cent on farms.

> >> > Dalit rights activist Martin Macwan of Navsarjan Trust says: "In every step> > of untouchability, the same concept is being applied - that of purity.> > Gujarat has only tried to dignify an indignity by calling these separate

> > utensils as `Ram patra'".> >> > QnA: Is the Indian society straying from the tolerant nature its known> > for?> > <http://qna.timesofi ndia.indiatimes. com/?ref= permalinkquestio n & question_id= 262795>

> >> >> >> > FROM: http://timesofindia .indiatimes. com/india/ Vibrant-Gujarat-

> > 98-Dalits- have-to-drink- tea-in-separate- cups/articleshow /5312335. cms<http://timesofindia .indiatimes. com/india/ Vibrant-Gujarat- 98-Dalits- have-to-drink- tea-in-separate- cups/articleshow /5312335. cms>

> >> > Sincerely,> > Udayabhanu Panickar> > *aum namaH Shivaaya*> > Fiber Foods Reduce Cholesterol and Blood Sugar. Antioxidants incapacitate> > cell-damaging free radicals in the body. Free radicals have been implicated

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