Guest guest Posted December 25, 2009 Report Share Posted December 25, 2009 Sometimes people wonder why a guru is required when they can directly approach the Supreme Personality of Godhead. But when we directly study the words of Krishna what does He say? He says that we should become the devotee of His devotee. He says that we should submissively inquire from and serve the bona fide spiritual master. Therefore if we want to be devotees of Krishna, we must obey His order to become the devotee of His devotee by surrendering ourselves at the lotus feet of His representative, the bona fide spiritual master. If we do not agree to become the devotee of Krishna's devotee, Krishna does not accept that we are His devotees. Therefore if we sincerely desire to become Krishna's devotees we must seek out and take shelter of a bona fide spiritual master, one who is coming in disciplic succession from Sri Krishna. Sankarshan Das AdhikariSrila Prabhupada with His DisciplesBrooklyn, New York in the Early 70's -- LET US NOT MAKE OUR STOMACH A GRAVEYARD. LET US NOT EAT FLESH. LET US BE VEGETARIANS AND STAY HEALTHY. Animals are to be loved, not eaten. Eating flesh is good neither for the mind nor for the intellect, not even for the body. It distorts the basic character of human. Think Soul is Soul and it came from the Supreme Soul...God Head Krishna Chant:Hare Krishna, Hare Krishna, Krishna Krishna Hare HareHare Rama, Hare Rama, Rama Rama Hare Hare Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 25, 2009 Report Share Posted December 25, 2009 Hare Krishna!!! Can someone enlighten me as to where the words of Lord Krishna can be found which say what is written below? I believe there is one verse in the Gita where He tells Arjuna to approach a guru to learn understanding of the vedas: Tadviddhi pranipaatena pariprashnena sevayaa;Upadekshyanti te jnaanam jnaaninas tattwadarshinah.34. Know that by long prostration, by question and by service, the wise who have realised the Truth will instruct thee in (that) knowledge. This is the only one I am aware of, compared to the entire remainder of the Gita which relates to one's direct relationship with Him. How do we reconcile this with the innumerable places in the Gita where He says surrender to Him? Love Him? Serve Him? Worship Him? The list is endless and almost the entire Gita specifically relates to one's direct relationship with the Lord. Hoping someone can assist me with this request for sources... In HIs Service, Radhe - manikantan post ; koottala Friday, December 25, 2009 1:03 AM [Guruvayur] Guru is Required Sometimes people wonder why a guru is required when they can directly approach the Supreme Personality of Godhead. But when we directly study the words of Krishna what does He say? He says that we should become the devotee of His devotee. He says that we should submissively inquire from and serve the bona fide spiritual master. Therefore if we want to be devotees of Krishna, we must obey His order to become the devotee of His devotee by surrendering ourselves at the lotus feet of His representative, the bona fide spiritual master. If we do not agree to become the devotee of Krishna's devotee, Krishna does not accept that we are His devotees. Therefore if we sincerely desire to become Krishna's devotees we must seek out and take shelter of a bona fide spiritual master, one who is coming in disciplic succession from Sri Krishna. Sankarshan Das Adhikari Srila Prabhupada with His DisciplesBrooklyn, New York in the Early 70's-- LET US NOT MAKE OUR STOMACH A GRAVEYARD. LET US NOT EAT FLESH. LET US BE VEGETARIANS AND STAY HEALTHY. Animals are to be loved, not eaten. Eating flesh is good neither for the mind nor for the intellect, not even for the body. It distorts the basic character of human. Think Soul is Soul and it came from the Supreme Soul...God Head KrishnaChant:Hare Krishna, Hare Krishna, Krishna Krishna Hare HareHare Rama, Hare Rama, Rama Rama Hare Hare Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.430 / Virus Database: 270.14.119/2585 - Release 12/24/09 08:11:00 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 25, 2009 Report Share Posted December 25, 2009 we have a great philosophy matha pitha guru Daivam ITS A PROGRESSION DAIVAM IS THE ULTIMATE GURU THE SAME PERSON CAN HAVE MANY ROLES---- TO MY LIMITED BASIC INFORMATION ANYONE CAN BECOME GURU,IF THE PERSON IS HAVING THE INFORMATION & GRACE OF GOD GUESS HU R OUR FIRST GURUS FOR EACH & EVERY AREA WE NEED GURUS THANK YOU The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 26, 2009 Report Share Posted December 26, 2009 Dear Radheji, The verse you have quoted is verse 34 of chapter 4 of the Gita. In this verse Lord Krishna says that the guru will impart the knowledge about the Self. But realization has to be attained by the efforts of the disciple. He should follow the instructions of the guru and put in effort. Any human effort will be succesful only with God's grace. So the disciple is asked to worship God and surrender to Him in order to get His grace. Both bhakti and jnana are necessary. There is therefore no contradiction between Krishna's asking the aspirant to approach a guru and to surrender to Krishna. Moreover, the guru has to be looked upon as God Himaself and so they are one.Surrender to the guru is itself surrender to God. The Mund. up also says that a person who has acquired detachment should approach a Guru for instruction about the means of attaining knowledge of the Self. In his Bhashya on this Shri Sankara says that even a person who has acquired intellectual knowledge of the sastras should not embark upon an enwuiry into Brahman without the help of a teacher. Best wishes, S.N.Sastri guruvayur , " Radhe " <shaantih wrote: > > Hare Krishna!!! > > Can someone enlighten me as to where the words of Lord Krishna can be > found which say what is written below? I believe > there is one verse in the Gita where He tells Arjuna to > approach a guru to learn understanding of the vedas: > > Tadviddhi pranipaatena pariprashnena sevayaa; > Upadekshyanti te jnaanam jnaaninas tattwadarshinah. > 34. Know that by long prostration, by question and by service, > the wise who have realised the Truth will instruct thee in (that) knowledge. > > This is the only one I am aware of, compared to the entire remainder of the Gita > which relates to one's direct relationship with Him. How do we reconcile this > with the innumerable places in the Gita where He says surrender to Him? > Love Him? Serve Him? Worship Him? The list is endless and almost the > entire Gita specifically relates to one's direct relationship with the Lord. > > Hoping someone can assist me with this request for sources... > > In HIs Service, > > Radhe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 26, 2009 Report Share Posted December 26, 2009 Hare Krishna, Jayanthji! Thank you for your thoughts. Our first, last, and only Guru is the Lord Himself, in whatever form He appears!!! In His Service, Radhe - jayanth m guruvayur Friday, December 25, 2009 1:53 PM Re: [Guruvayur] Guru is Required we have a great philosophy matha pitha guru Daivam ITS A PROGRESSION DAIVAM IS THE ULTIMATE GURU THE SAME PERSON CAN HAVE MANY ROLES---- TO MY LIMITED BASIC INFORMATION ANYONE CAN BECOME GURU,IF THE PERSON IS HAVING THE INFORMATION & GRACE OF GOD GUESS HU R OUR FIRST GURUS FOR EACH & EVERY AREA WE NEED GURUS THANK YOU The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.430 / Virus Database: 270.14.119/2586 - Release 12/25/09 09:33:00 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 26, 2009 Report Share Posted December 26, 2009 Dear Shri Sastriji: Thank you for your elucidation of this question. It is often said that when the student is ready the teacher will appear. While effort is certainly needed, all is in the hands of the Lord. So it is is best to be patient, to study as best as one can, while offering all to the Lord, confident that He will indeed accept both the honest and pure devotion and the effort, for there would be no devotion, or effort, or surrender but for His Grace. When the moment is right, He will surely provide the form of the Guru for instruction upon inquiry into Brahman. Shri Krishna saranam mamah!!! In His Service, Radhe - snsastri guruvayur Saturday, December 26, 2009 2:14 AM [Guruvayur] Re: Guru is Required Dear Radheji,The verse you have quoted is verse 34 of chapter 4 of the Gita.In this verse Lord Krishna says that the guru will impart the knowledge about the Self. But realization has to be attained by the efforts of the disciple. He should follow the instructions of the guru and put in effort. Any human effort will be succesful only with God's grace. So the disciple is asked to worship God and surrender to Him in order to get His grace. Both bhakti and jnana are necessary. There is therefore no contradiction between Krishna's asking the aspirant to approach a guru and to surrender to Krishna. Moreover, the guru has to be looked upon as God Himaself and so they are one.Surrender to the guru is itself surrender to God. The Mund. up also says that a person who has acquired detachment should approach a Guru for instruction about the means of attaining knowledge of the Self. In his Bhashya on this Shri Sankara says that even a person who has acquired intellectual knowledge of the sastras should not embark upon an enwuiry into Brahman without the help of a teacher. Best wishes,S.N.Sastriguruvayur , "Radhe" <shaantih wrote:>> Hare Krishna!!!> > Can someone enlighten me as to where the words of Lord Krishna can be > found which say what is written below? I believe > there is one verse in the Gita where He tells Arjuna to> approach a guru to learn understanding of the vedas: > > Tadviddhi pranipaatena pariprashnena sevayaa;> Upadekshyanti te jnaanam jnaaninas tattwadarshinah.> 34. Know that by long prostration, by question and by service, > the wise who have realised the Truth will instruct thee in (that) knowledge.> > This is the only one I am aware of, compared to the entire remainder of the Gita > which relates to one's direct relationship with Him. How do we reconcile this > with the innumerable places in the Gita where He says surrender to Him? > Love Him? Serve Him? Worship Him? The list is endless and almost the > entire Gita specifically relates to one's direct relationship with the Lord.> > Hoping someone can assist me with this request for sources...> > In HIs Service,> > Radhe Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.430 / Virus Database: 270.14.119/2586 - Release 12/25/09 09:33:00 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 26, 2009 Report Share Posted December 26, 2009 Namaste Radheji.Swami Sivananda has a very instructive piece on Guru, Guru-bhakti http://www.dlshq.org/download/gurubhaktiyoga.htm#_VPID_91“Na hi jnaanena sadrisham pavitramiha vidyate,†said Lord Krishna; there is nothing here so grand, ennobling and purifying as Knowledge. How can we attain that Knowledge? There are two statements that answer this great question. “Shraddhaavaan labhate jnaanamâ€â€”†a person who has Shraddha attains Jnanaâ€. This word Shraddha is indeed very difficult to define; it is a perfect blending of love, faith, devotion, total egolessness and absolute surrender. The other statement is “Tadviddhi pranipaatena pari-prasnena sevayaa; Upadekshyanti te jnaanam jnaaninah tattvadarsinahâ€; “Know that by prostrating yourself to, by questioning and by serving those Great Ones who have had a direct perception of the Self; they will impart that Knowledge to you.†This Knowledge is impossible for one to acquire by one’s own unaided self-effort. This truth is clearly brought out in the Visvarupa-Darshana Yoga. After revealing Himself to Arjuna and after once again assuming the lovely human form of Krishna, the Lord declares: “The Wondrous Form that you beheld just now, even the gods are ever desirous of witnessing.†The Lord had already said: “The Devas and the Maharshis know Me not; for I am their very Source.†“But, by Ananya-Bhakti I am capable of being known,†says the Lord. When a person has Ananya Bhakti the Lord reveals Himself to the devotee, even as He revealed Himself to Arjuna. This is a point worth remembering; even then it is He who reveals Himself. It is only after the Lord gave Arjuna the Divya-Chakshu or the Divine Eye was Arjuna able to behold Him. Similarly, “Dadaami buddhi-yogam tam yena maamupayaantiteâ€, when the aspirant is ripe for Wisdom, “I give the Buddhi-Yoga to him and he attains Me.†Even in the crowning declaration of the Gita: “Sarvadharmaan parityajya maamekam sharanam vrajaâ€, the Lord has made it abundantly clear “Aham tvaa sarva paapebhyo mokshayishyaami maa shuchah.†“Surrender yourself wholeheartedly, unreservedly and totally to Me; that is all that you can do; I will free you from sins. You cannot do this yourself. But I will do it, fear not.†“You can only develop Shraddha; I will give you Jnana. You can only surrender yourself; I will give you Liberation.†That is the final declaration of the Lord. A beautiful truth emerges from these passages in the Gita. At one place the Lord says: “I give the aspirant Buddhi-Yoga and he reaches Me.†At another place he says: “Go to the Great Ones; (they are your spiritual preceptors); prostrate to them; serve them; and ask of them; they will impart the Knowledge to you.†Reading the two together we get a glimpse of the grand truth that Guru is God-incarnate upon earth. You can get at the Truth, you can attain Self-realisation either by cultivating Ananya-Bhakti to the Lord in His Transcendental Formless aspect or in His Immanent aspect as your own Guru with a Name you can repeat, a Form on which you can meditate, a distinct personality which you can see, touch and hear, and which can guide you, inspire you, and lead you to the realisation of your Immortal Self. Thus has the Lord established His complete identification with the Spiritual Preceptor, the Guru. And the aspirant can direct his Shraddha and Bhakti either to Him in His Formless aspect or to His Immanent Form upon earth, the Guru, and the latter is certainly more practicable for the vast majority of the aspirants. Guru-Bhakti and Guru-Seva terminate (if it can at all be called a termination) in Self-realisation. You will have to go on serving the Guru. The Guru will reveal the Truth to you when your self-surrender is complete, when the time is ripe. But that is not your concern. Even as Arjuna prayed for the Visvarupa-Darshana and waited for the Lord to bestow the Divya-Chakshu on him, you will have to serve, serve, and serve, and the Guru will bestow the Knowledge on you when you are ripe for It. Some deluded aspirants serve their Guru for some years and then give it up foolishly imagining that they have attained Chitta-Shuddhi. They do not gain the Supreme Knowledge; they do not reach their Goal. They, no doubt, gain some merit (Punya), but Self-realisation is not attained: this is indeed a great loss, a great blunder. Guru-Bhakti and Guru-Seva are like the two oars to the boat of Sadhana that takes you across the torrential stream of Samsara. You cannot do without them until you reach the other shore, until you attain Immortality and Eternal Bliss, until you become a Jivanmukta. Then Guru-Bhakti itself manifests in you as Self-realisation; and Guru-Seva becomes Lokasangraha in which you automatically engage yourself. One who has such a Guru-Bhakti, one who has totally surrendered himself to the Guru, one who serves the Guru wholeheartedly, knows no grief, no sorrow, no fear, no pain, no misery, no ignorance and he instantly attains Godrealisation: for, Guru and God are one. He attains instantaneous Knowledge and Self-Illumination. Therefore have the Upanishads also declared: “Yasya deve para bhaktiryathaa deve tathaa gurau; Tasyaite kathitaahyarthaah prakaashante mahaatmanah.†“One who has Supreme Devotion to God and equal devotion to his Guru, to such a great Mahatma will the truths of the Upanishads be clear as crystal.†------------------- Aum Namo Narayanaya.--- On Sat, 12/26/09, Radhe <shaantih wrote:Radhe <shaantihRe: [Guruvayur] Guru is Requiredguruvayur Date: Saturday, December 26, 2009, 9:44 AM Hare Krishna, Jayanthji! Thank you for your thoughts. Our first, last, and only Guru is the Lord Himself, in whatever form He appears!!! In His Service, Radhe - jayanth m guruvayur@grou ps.com Friday, December 25, 2009 1:53 PM Re: [Guruvayur] Guru is Required we have a great philosophy matha pitha guru Daivam ITS A PROGRESSION DAIVAM IS THE ULTIMATE GURU THE SAME PERSON CAN HAVE MANY ROLES---- TO MY LIMITED BASIC INFORMATION ANYONE CAN BECOME GURU,IF THE PERSON IS HAVING THE INFORMATION & GRACE OF GOD GUESS HU R OUR FIRST GURUS FOR EACH & EVERY AREA WE NEED GURUS THANK YOU The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.430 / Virus Database: 270.14.119/2586 - Release 12/25/09 09:33:00 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 26, 2009 Report Share Posted December 26, 2009  Namaste Veenaji: Thank you for sending this article. I agree that it is very instructive... and inspirational. A good way to approach a new year... with shraddha and saranagathi! - Veena Nair guruvayur Saturday, December 26, 2009 12:44 PM Re: [Guruvayur] Guru is Required Namaste Radheji. Swami Sivananda has a very instructive piece on Guru, Guru-bhakti http://www.dlshq.org/download/gurubhaktiyoga.htm#_VPID_91 “Na hi jnaanena sadrisham pavitramiha vidyate,†said Lord Krishna; there is nothing here so grand, ennobling and purifying as Knowledge. How can we attain that Knowledge? There are two statements that answer this great question. “Shraddhaavaan labhate jnaanamâ€â€”†a person who has Shraddha attains Jnanaâ€. This word Shraddha is indeed very difficult to define; it is a perfect blending of love, faith, devotion, total egolessness and absolute surrender. The other statement is “Tadviddhi pranipaatena pari-prasnena sevayaa; Upadekshyanti te jnaanam jnaaninah tattvadarsinahâ€; “Know that by prostrating yourself to, by questioning and by serving those Great Ones who have had a direct perception of the Self; they will impart that Knowledge to you.†This Knowledge is impossible for one to acquire by one’s own unaided self-effort. This truth is clearly brought out in the Visvarupa-Darshana Yoga. After revealing Himself to Arjuna and after once again assuming the lovely human form of Krishna, the Lord declares: “The Wondrous Form that you beheld just now, even the gods are ever desirous of witnessing.†The Lord had already said: “The Devas and the Maharshis know Me not; for I am their very Source.†“But, by Ananya-Bhakti I am capable of being known,†says the Lord. When a person has Ananya Bhakti the Lord reveals Himself to the devotee, even as He revealed Himself to Arjuna. This is a point worth remembering; even then it is He who reveals Himself. It is only after the Lord gave Arjuna the Divya-Chakshu or the Divine Eye was Arjuna able to behold Him. Similarly, “Dadaami buddhi-yogam tam yena maamupayaantiteâ€, when the aspirant is ripe for Wisdom, “I give the Buddhi-Yoga to him and he attains Me.†Even in the crowning declaration of the Gita: “Sarvadharmaan parityajya maamekam sharanam vrajaâ€, the Lord has made it abundantly clear “Aham tvaa sarva paapebhyo mokshayishyaami maa shuchah.†“Surrender yourself wholeheartedly, unreservedly and totally to Me; that is all that you can do; I will free you from sins. You cannot do this yourself. But I will do it, fear not.†“You can only develop Shraddha; I will give you Jnana. You can only surrender yourself; I will give you Liberation.†That is the final declaration of the Lord. A beautiful truth emerges from these passages in the Gita. At one place the Lord says: “I give the aspirant Buddhi-Yoga and he reaches Me.†At another place he says: “Go to the Great Ones; (they are your spiritual preceptors); prostrate to them; serve them; and ask of them; they will impart the Knowledge to you.†Reading the two together we get a glimpse of the grand truth that Guru is God-incarnate upon earth. You can get at the Truth, you can attain Self-realisation either by cultivating Ananya-Bhakti to the Lord in His Transcendental Formless aspect or in His Immanent aspect as your own Guru with a Name you can repeat, a Form on which you can meditate, a distinct personality which you can see, touch and hear, and which can guide you, inspire you, and lead you to the realisation of your Immortal Self. Thus has the Lord established His complete identification with the Spiritual Preceptor, the Guru. And the aspirant can direct his Shraddha and Bhakti either to Him in His Formless aspect or to His Immanent Form upon earth, the Guru, and the latter is certainly more practicable for the vast majority of the aspirants. Guru-Bhakti and Guru-Seva terminate (if it can at all be called a termination) in Self-realisation. You will have to go on serving the Guru. The Guru will reveal the Truth to you when your self-surrender is complete, when the time is ripe. But that is not your concern. Even as Arjuna prayed for the Visvarupa-Darshana and waited for the Lord to bestow the Divya-Chakshu on him, you will have to serve, serve, and serve, and the Guru will bestow the Knowledge on you when you are ripe for It. Some deluded aspirants serve their Guru for some years and then give it up foolishly imagining that they have attained Chitta-Shuddhi. They do not gain the Supreme Knowledge; they do not reach their Goal. They, no doubt, gain some merit (Punya), but Self-realisation is not attained: this is indeed a great loss, a great blunder. Guru-Bhakti and Guru-Seva are like the two oars to the boat of Sadhana that takes you across the torrential stream of Samsara. You cannot do without them until you reach the other shore, until you attain Immortality and Eternal Bliss, until you become a Jivanmukta. Then Guru-Bhakti itself manifests in you as Self-realisation; and Guru-Seva becomes Lokasangraha in which you automatically engage yourself. One who has such a Guru-Bhakti, one who has totally surrendered himself to the Guru, one who serves the Guru wholeheartedly, knows no grief, no sorrow, no fear, no pain, no misery, no ignorance and he instantly attains Godrealisation: for, Guru and God are one. He attains instantaneous Knowledge and Self-Illumination. Therefore have the Upanishads also declared: “Yasya deve para bhaktiryathaa deve tathaa gurau; Tasyaite kathitaahyarthaah prakaashante mahaatmanah.†“One who has Supreme Devotion to God and equal devotion to his Guru, to such a great Mahatma will the truths of the Upanishads be clear as crystal.†-------------------Aum Namo Narayanaya.--- On Sat, 12/26/09, Radhe <shaantih (AT) comcast (DOT) net> wrote: Radhe <shaantih (AT) comcast (DOT) net>Re: [Guruvayur] Guru is Requiredguruvayur Date: Saturday, December 26, 2009, 9:44 AM Hare Krishna, Jayanthji! Thank you for your thoughts. Our first, last, and only Guru is the Lord Himself, in whatever form He appears!!! In His Service, Radhe - jayanth m guruvayur@grou ps.com Friday, December 25, 2009 1:53 PM Re: [Guruvayur] Guru is Required we have a great philosophy matha pitha guru Daivam ITS A PROGRESSION DAIVAM IS THE ULTIMATE GURU THE SAME PERSON CAN HAVE MANY ROLES---- TO MY LIMITED BASIC INFORMATION ANYONE CAN BECOME GURU,IF THE PERSON IS HAVING THE INFORMATION & GRACE OF GOD GUESS HU R OUR FIRST GURUS FOR EACH & EVERY AREA WE NEED GURUS THANK YOU The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.430 / Virus Database: 270.14.119/2586 - Release 12/25/09 09:33:00 Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.430 / Virus Database: 270.14.119/2586 - Release 12/25/09 09:33:00 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 27, 2009 Report Share Posted December 27, 2009 Dhanyatman,, I also heard about Mata,Pita,Guru,Daivam. I understands this truth is works as –“ through mata or amma only we can identify our Pita or Father ( that means, Mother only can tell the final word about father to convince her child , this is your father).Pita can guide us to show Guru or he will lead us to a way for Guru. Guru can give knowledge or Vijnanam to see the unseen power through his experience.That unseen power is GOD. This MATA, PITA ,GURU, DAIVAM sankalpam, is opening the way to search GOD. we are strarting from root-MATA ,then PITA, then GURU, then finally reaches to GOD.This is the route map for find out god. Also one more narration we can give, That is, while worshiping this series, we have to strat from AMMA,ACHAN,GURU,DAIVAM. That means if one is ignoring or deny his / her mother , father and guru and going to temple to worshiping god is worthless and pure foolishness. I suggest this to everybody and to think like this way then our society will change and will get Shanthi & Samadhanam. So every one can think this statement as per our buddhee and yukthi. Sincerely, With prayers sreekumar --- On Sat, 26/12/09, Veena Nair <veeus18 wrote: Veena Nair <veeus18Re: [Guruvayur] Guru is Requiredguruvayur Date: Saturday, 26 December, 2009, 11:14 PM Namaste Radheji. Swami Sivananda has a very instructive piece on Guru, Guru-bhakti http://www.dlshq. org/download/ gurubhaktiyoga. htm#_VPID_ 91 “Na hi jnaanena sadrisham pavitramiha vidyate,†said Lord Krishna; there is nothing here so grand, ennobling and purifying as Knowledge. How can we attain that Knowledge? There are two statements that answer this great question. “Shraddhaavaan labhate jnaanamâ€â€”†a person who has Shraddha attains Jnanaâ€. This word Shraddha is indeed very difficult to define; it is a perfect blending of love, faith, devotion, total egolessness and absolute surrender. The other statement is “Tadviddhi pranipaatena pari-prasnena sevayaa; Upadekshyanti te jnaanam jnaaninah tattvadarsinahâ€; “Know that by prostrating yourself to, by questioning and by serving those Great Ones who have had a direct perception of the Self; they will impart that Knowledge to you.†This Knowledge is impossible for one to acquire by one’s own unaided self-effort. This truth is clearly brought out in the Visvarupa-Darshana Yoga. After revealing Himself to Arjuna and after once again assuming the lovely human form of Krishna, the Lord declares: “The Wondrous Form that you beheld just now, even the gods are ever desirous of witnessing.†The Lord had already said: “The Devas and the Maharshis know Me not; for I am their very Source.†“But, by Ananya-Bhakti I am capable of being known,†says the Lord. When a person has Ananya Bhakti the Lord reveals Himself to the devotee, even as He revealed Himself to Arjuna. This is a point worth remembering; even then it is He who reveals Himself. It is only after the Lord gave Arjuna the Divya-Chakshu or the Divine Eye was Arjuna able to behold Him. Similarly, “Dadaami buddhi-yogam tam yena maamupayaantiteâ€, when the aspirant is ripe for Wisdom, “I give the Buddhi-Yoga to him and he attains Me.†Even in the crowning declaration of the Gita: “Sarvadharmaan parityajya maamekam sharanam vrajaâ€, the Lord has made it abundantly clear “Aham tvaa sarva paapebhyo mokshayishyaami maa shuchah.†“Surrender yourself wholeheartedly, unreservedly and totally to Me; that is all that you can do; I will free you from sins. You cannot do this yourself. But I will do it, fear not.†“You can only develop Shraddha; I will give you Jnana. You can only surrender yourself; I will give you Liberation.†That is the final declaration of the Lord. A beautiful truth emerges from these passages in the Gita. At one place the Lord says: “I give the aspirant Buddhi-Yoga and he reaches Me.†At another place he says: “Go to the Great Ones; (they are your spiritual preceptors); prostrate to them; serve them; and ask of them; they will impart the Knowledge to you.†Reading the two together we get a glimpse of the grand truth that Guru is God-incarnate upon earth. You can get at the Truth, you can attain Self-realisation either by cultivating Ananya-Bhakti to the Lord in His Transcendental Formless aspect or in His Immanent aspect as your own Guru with a Name you can repeat, a Form on which you can meditate, a distinct personality which you can see, touch and hear, and which can guide you, inspire you, and lead you to the realisation of your Immortal Self. Thus has the Lord established His complete identification with the Spiritual Preceptor, the Guru. And the aspirant can direct his Shraddha and Bhakti either to Him in His Formless aspect or to His Immanent Form upon earth, the Guru, and the latter is certainly more practicable for the vast majority of the aspirants. Guru-Bhakti and Guru-Seva terminate (if it can at all be called a termination) in Self-realisation. You will have to go on serving the Guru. The Guru will reveal the Truth to you when your self-surrender is complete, when the time is ripe. But that is not your concern. Even as Arjuna prayed for the Visvarupa-Darshana and waited for the Lord to bestow the Divya-Chakshu on him, you will have to serve, serve, and serve, and the Guru will bestow the Knowledge on you when you are ripe for It. Some deluded aspirants serve their Guru for some years and then give it up foolishly imagining that they have attained Chitta-Shuddhi. They do not gain the Supreme Knowledge; they do not reach their Goal. They, no doubt, gain some merit (Punya), but Self-realisation is not attained: this is indeed a great loss, a great blunder. Guru-Bhakti and Guru-Seva are like the two oars to the boat of Sadhana that takes you across the torrential stream of Samsara. You cannot do without them until you reach the other shore, until you attain Immortality and Eternal Bliss, until you become a Jivanmukta. Then Guru-Bhakti itself manifests in you as Self-realisation; and Guru-Seva becomes Lokasangraha in which you automatically engage yourself. One who has such a Guru-Bhakti, one who has totally surrendered himself to the Guru, one who serves the Guru wholeheartedly, knows no grief, no sorrow, no fear, no pain, no misery, no ignorance and he instantly attains Godrealisation: for, Guru and God are one. He attains instantaneous Knowledge and Self-Illumination. Therefore have the Upanishads also declared: “Yasya deve para bhaktiryathaa deve tathaa gurau; Tasyaite kathitaahyarthaah prakaashante mahaatmanah.†“One who has Supreme Devotion to God and equal devotion to his Guru, to such a great Mahatma will the truths of the Upanishads be clear as crystal.†------------ -------Aum Namo Narayanaya.--- On Sat, 12/26/09, Radhe <shaantih (AT) comcast (DOT) net> wrote: Radhe <shaantih (AT) comcast (DOT) net>Re: [Guruvayur] Guru is Requiredguruvayur@grou ps.comSaturday, December 26, 2009, 9:44 AM Hare Krishna, Jayanthji! Thank you for your thoughts. Our first, last, and only Guru is the Lord Himself, in whatever form He appears!!! In His Service, Radhe - jayanth m guruvayur@grou ps.com Friday, December 25, 2009 1:53 PM Re: [Guruvayur] Guru is Required we have a great philosophy matha pitha guru Daivam ITS A PROGRESSION DAIVAM IS THE ULTIMATE GURU THE SAME PERSON CAN HAVE MANY ROLES---- TO MY LIMITED BASIC INFORMATION ANYONE CAN BECOME GURU,IF THE PERSON IS HAVING THE INFORMATION & GRACE OF GOD GUESS HU R OUR FIRST GURUS FOR EACH & EVERY AREA WE NEED GURUS THANK YOU The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.430 / Virus Database: 270.14.119/2586 - Release 12/25/09 09:33:00 The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 27, 2009 Report Share Posted December 27, 2009 Bhagavaan Shee RaadhaKrshna Smaranam! In the classic called Tantraalokam, the great spiritual master Abhinavagupta talks about several kinds of Shaktipaatam, which is another way of saying " Divine Blessing that helps us move forward on a spiritual/devotional path. " In the Pratyabhijna path of Abhinava, Jnaana and Bhakti are integrated. The first two, Teevra Teevra Shaktipaatam, the Paramaatman directly teaches the Jeevaatman the way to the goal: Pratyabhijna = the deep awareness that the Jeevatman and the Paramaatman are one and the same. In the second kind of Shaktipaatam (Teevra Madhya Shaktipaatam) which also is Paarameshvara Anugraham, the Saadhaka's Pratibha itself becomes the Guru, and teaches all that is necessary for Pratyabhijna = relization about the oneness of the Jeeva and the Parama Tatvam. All the other kinds of Saadhaka-s (the majority of us) will need a Guru for everything--guidance, removal of inner impurities, Mantra Deeksha, etc. And every Jeevaatman will be in its own appropriate time will be led to a proper Guru or a fitting Guru will seek out the disciple. It is a very optimistic view. I have read also that Bhagavad-bhakta Tulasee Dasa himself got the Deeksha from the Guru only at age 67! This is all too complex for me and personally I follow the line suggested by some in our Guruvaayoorappa Bhakta group in this discussion--follow the teachings of my own grandmother, father, and mother as the Guru. And then I treat every other being in the world as a potential Guru and take whatever spiritual truth they offer with humility. The Samskrta aphorism says it so succinctly: " Gurureva Jagat Sarvam " which means both " Guru is the whole world " and " The whole world is the Guru. " Om Shree Gurubhyo Namaha! DKM Kartha (Mohanachandran) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 28, 2009 Report Share Posted December 28, 2009 Om Namo Narayanaya Dear Devotees,I had read somewhere a story in my childhood, which connects me with the subject of this mail.Once, a businessman was in hurry to capture the entire world in his hand. This ambitious man has acquired a number of business units and still he was in the act of setting up more business units.As a usual practise, he visited his Guru to have blessings for the success of the new venture and submitted at HIS feet a lot of orange. This man was a darling disciple of the Guru and therefore the Guru thought that something has to be done against his disciple's limitless ambition.When the man entered the ashram, a small boy was also standing in front of the Guru. In the presence of the man, the Guru offered an orange to the boy. Immediately the boy's face has become bright and he started enjoying the fruit. Within no time, the Guru again offered an another orange. The boy stopped eating the fruit and received it by the other hand. Again the Guru gave a third orange to the boy. He received that also with the support of his chest. Again the Guru offered the fourth orange. But immediately the boy's face has become dark and sad and he started crying.The Guru told the businessman that, "this is what is happening with you also. See the boy. He was enjoying the fruit when I gave him the first-one. When I offered the second-one, he not only could enjoy it, but has become busy holding it. When I offered the third-one, he had to have a support to hold them intact. And when I offered the fourth-one, he just started crying. Because, it was beyond his capacity to keep all those oranges. His hands and the entire body was not in a position to move, and even if he try to breath well, he may loose the fruits. He was totally struck with useless weight. Even though it is not useful to him, he was afraid of loosing any of them. As he got more and more oranges, he started loosing his happiness gradually. At the same time, he was happy and enjoying the first orange."By this story, it is emphasised that a Guru can make a lot of difference in one, and so, like the subject of this mail says "Guru is required"Om Namo NarayanayaSuresh C. Kurup--- On Sun, 27/12/09, sree kumar <sreeku_75 wrote:sree kumar <sreeku_75Re: [Guruvayur] Guru is RequiredTo: guruvayur Date: Sunday, 27 December, 2009, 2:11 PM Dhanyatman,, I also heard about Mata,Pita,Guru, Daivam. I understands this truth is works as –“ through mata or amma only we can identify our Pita or Father ( that means, Mother only can tell the final word about father to convince her child , this is your father).Pita can guide us to show Guru or he will lead us to a way for Guru. Guru can give knowledge or Vijnanam to see the unseen power through his experience.That unseen power is GOD. This MATA, PITA ,GURU, DAIVAM sankalpam, is opening the way to search GOD. we are strarting from root-MATA ,then PITA, then GURU, then finally reaches to GOD.This is the route map for find out god. Also one more narration we can give, That is, while worshiping this series, we have to strat from AMMA,ACHAN,GURU, DAIVAM. That means if one is ignoring or deny his / her mother , father and guru and going to temple to worshiping god is worthless and pure foolishness. I suggest this to everybody and to think like this way then our society will change and will get Shanthi & Samadhanam. So every one can think this statement as per our buddhee and yukthi. Sincerely, With prayers sreekumar --- On Sat, 26/12/09, Veena Nair <veeus18 > wrote: Veena Nair <veeus18 >Re: [Guruvayur] Guru is Requiredguruvayur@grou ps.comSaturday, 26 December, 2009, 11:14 PM Namaste Radheji. Swami Sivananda has a very instructive piece on Guru, Guru-bhakti http://www.dlshq. org/download/ gurubhaktiyoga. htm#_VPID_ 91 “Na hi jnaanena sadrisham pavitramiha vidyate,†said Lord Krishna; there is nothing here so grand, ennobling and purifying as Knowledge. How can we attain that Knowledge? There are two statements that answer this great question. “Shraddhaavaan labhate jnaanamâ€â€”†a person who has Shraddha attains Jnanaâ€. This word Shraddha is indeed very difficult to define; it is a perfect blending of love, faith, devotion, total egolessness and absolute surrender. The other statement is “Tadviddhi pranipaatena pari-prasnena sevayaa; Upadekshyanti te jnaanam jnaaninah tattvadarsinahâ€; “Know that by prostrating yourself to, by questioning and by serving those Great Ones who have had a direct perception of the Self; they will impart that Knowledge to you.†This Knowledge is impossible for one to acquire by one’s own unaided self-effort. This truth is clearly brought out in the Visvarupa-Darshana Yoga. After revealing Himself to Arjuna and after once again assuming the lovely human form of Krishna, the Lord declares: “The Wondrous Form that you beheld just now, even the gods are ever desirous of witnessing.†The Lord had already said: “The Devas and the Maharshis know Me not; for I am their very Source.†“But, by Ananya-Bhakti I am capable of being known,†says the Lord. When a person has Ananya Bhakti the Lord reveals Himself to the devotee, even as He revealed Himself to Arjuna. This is a point worth remembering; even then it is He who reveals Himself. It is only after the Lord gave Arjuna the Divya-Chakshu or the Divine Eye was Arjuna able to behold Him. Similarly, “Dadaami buddhi-yogam tam yena maamupayaantiteâ€, when the aspirant is ripe for Wisdom, “I give the Buddhi-Yoga to him and he attains Me.†Even in the crowning declaration of the Gita: “Sarvadharmaan parityajya maamekam sharanam vrajaâ€, the Lord has made it abundantly clear “Aham tvaa sarva paapebhyo mokshayishyaami maa shuchah.†“Surrender yourself wholeheartedly, unreservedly and totally to Me; that is all that you can do; I will free you from sins. You cannot do this yourself. But I will do it, fear not.†“You can only develop Shraddha; I will give you Jnana. You can only surrender yourself; I will give you Liberation.†That is the final declaration of the Lord. A beautiful truth emerges from these passages in the Gita. At one place the Lord says: “I give the aspirant Buddhi-Yoga and he reaches Me.†At another place he says: “Go to the Great Ones; (they are your spiritual preceptors); prostrate to them; serve them; and ask of them; they will impart the Knowledge to you.†Reading the two together we get a glimpse of the grand truth that Guru is God-incarnate upon earth. You can get at the Truth, you can attain Self-realisation either by cultivating Ananya-Bhakti to the Lord in His Transcendental Formless aspect or in His Immanent aspect as your own Guru with a Name you can repeat, a Form on which you can meditate, a distinct personality which you can see, touch and hear, and which can guide you, inspire you, and lead you to the realisation of your Immortal Self. Thus has the Lord established His complete identification with the Spiritual Preceptor, the Guru. And the aspirant can direct his Shraddha and Bhakti either to Him in His Formless aspect or to His Immanent Form upon earth, the Guru, and the latter is certainly more practicable for the vast majority of the aspirants. Guru-Bhakti and Guru-Seva terminate (if it can at all be called a termination) in Self-realisation. You will have to go on serving the Guru. The Guru will reveal the Truth to you when your self-surrender is complete, when the time is ripe. But that is not your concern. Even as Arjuna prayed for the Visvarupa-Darshana and waited for the Lord to bestow the Divya-Chakshu on him, you will have to serve, serve, and serve, and the Guru will bestow the Knowledge on you when you are ripe for It. Some deluded aspirants serve their Guru for some years and then give it up foolishly imagining that they have attained Chitta-Shuddhi. They do not gain the Supreme Knowledge; they do not reach their Goal. They, no doubt, gain some merit (Punya), but Self-realisation is not attained: this is indeed a great loss, a great blunder. Guru-Bhakti and Guru-Seva are like the two oars to the boat of Sadhana that takes you across the torrential stream of Samsara. You cannot do without them until you reach the other shore, until you attain Immortality and Eternal Bliss, until you become a Jivanmukta. Then Guru-Bhakti itself manifests in you as Self-realisation; and Guru-Seva becomes Lokasangraha in which you automatically engage yourself. One who has such a Guru-Bhakti, one who has totally surrendered himself to the Guru, one who serves the Guru wholeheartedly, knows no grief, no sorrow, no fear, no pain, no misery, no ignorance and he instantly attains Godrealisation: for, Guru and God are one. He attains instantaneous Knowledge and Self-Illumination. Therefore have the Upanishads also declared: “Yasya deve para bhaktiryathaa deve tathaa gurau; Tasyaite kathitaahyarthaah prakaashante mahaatmanah.†“One who has Supreme Devotion to God and equal devotion to his Guru, to such a great Mahatma will the truths of the Upanishads be clear as crystal.†------------ -------Aum Namo Narayanaya.--- On Sat, 12/26/09, Radhe <shaantih (AT) comcast (DOT) net> wrote: Radhe <shaantih (AT) comcast (DOT) net>Re: [Guruvayur] Guru is Requiredguruvayur@grou ps.comSaturday, December 26, 2009, 9:44 AM Hare Krishna, Jayanthji! Thank you for your thoughts. Our first, last, and only Guru is the Lord Himself, in whatever form He appears!!! In His Service, Radhe - jayanth m guruvayur@grou ps.com Friday, December 25, 2009 1:53 PM Re: [Guruvayur] Guru is Required we have a great philosophy matha pitha guru Daivam ITS A PROGRESSION DAIVAM IS THE ULTIMATE GURU THE SAME PERSON CAN HAVE MANY ROLES---- TO MY LIMITED BASIC INFORMATION ANYONE CAN BECOME GURU,IF THE PERSON IS HAVING THE INFORMATION & GRACE OF GOD GUESS HU R OUR FIRST GURUS FOR EACH & EVERY AREA WE NEED GURUS THANK YOU The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.430 / Virus Database: 270.14.119/2586 - Release 12/25/09 09:33:00 The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 28, 2009 Report Share Posted December 28, 2009 Om Namo NarayanayaDear Devotees,There is a verse in the last chapter of Sreemad Bhagavat Geetha "ithi theE njAnamAkhyAtamguhyAt guhyataram mayAvimrusyaitat asesheNayathecchati thathaa kuru" (Bh. Gi. 18-63)"Now, I have imparted you the most secret knowledge. After completely & critically analysing them, do as you like"The Lord himself means that, A Guru can only impart the knowledge and it is the duty of Arjuna (us) to attain the liberation. At the same time, it also means that, we have to critically think about and analyse the things, which have been taught to us, and do not follow anything blindly.If there is a mistake in what I said above, please forgive me and also correct me. I wrote it because, I witnessed what a Guru said to the audience in a Bhagavatha Sapthaaha Yajnam that: "tomorrow all of you bring a note book wherein I will write some manthras and return to you. And after that I will be your Guru forever" Suresh C. KurupOm Namo Narayanaya guruvayur@grou ps.com, "Radhe" <shaantih@.. .> wrote: > > Hare Krishna!!! > > Can someone enlighten me as to where the words of Lord Krishna can be > found which say what is written below? I believe > there is one verse in the Gita where He tells Arjuna to > approach a guru to learn understanding of the vedas: > > Tadviddhi pranipaatena pariprashnena sevayaa; > Upadekshyanti te jnaanam jnaaninas tattwadarshinah. > 34. Know that by long prostration, by question and by service, > the wise who have realised the Truth will instruct thee in (that) knowledge. > > This is the only one I am aware of, compared to the entire remainder of the Gita > which relates to one's direct relationship with Him. How do we reconcile this > with the innumerable places in the Gita where He says surrender to Him? > Love Him? Serve Him? Worship Him? The list is endless and almost the > entire Gita specifically relates to one's direct relationship with the Lord. > > Hoping someone can assist me with this request for sources... > > In HIs Service, > > Radhe The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 28, 2009 Report Share Posted December 28, 2009 Dear Suresh Ji, It is Wonderfull moral, an eye opener…… for all of us Regards vr guruvayur [guruvayur ] On Behalf Of SURESH C KURUP Monday, December 28, 2009 4:23 PM guruvayur Re: [Guruvayur] Guru is Required Om Namo Narayanaya Dear Devotees, I had read somewhere a story in my childhood, which connects me with the subject of this mail. Once, a businessman was in hurry to capture the entire world in his hand. This ambitious man has acquired a number of business units and still he was in the act of setting up more business units. As a usual practise, he visited his Guru to have blessings for the success of the new venture and submitted at HIS feet a lot of orange. This man was a darling disciple of the Guru and therefore the Guru thought that something has to be done against his disciple's limitless ambition. When the man entered the ashram, a small boy was also standing in front of the Guru. In the presence of the man, the Guru offered an orange to the boy. Immediately the boy's face has become bright and he started enjoying the fruit. Within no time, the Guru again offered an another orange. The boy stopped eating the fruit and received it by the other hand. Again the Guru gave a third orange to the boy. He received that also with the support of his chest. Again the Guru offered the fourth orange. But immediately the boy's face has become dark and sad and he started crying. The Guru told the businessman that, " this is what is happening with you also. See the boy. He was enjoying the fruit when I gave him the first-one. When I offered the second-one, he not only could enjoy it, but has become busy holding it. When I offered the third-one, he had to have a support to hold them intact. And when I offered the fourth-one, he just started crying. Because, it was beyond his capacity to keep all those oranges. His hands and the entire body was not in a position to move, and even if he try to breath well, he may loose the fruits. He was totally struck with useless weight. Even though it is not useful to him, he was afraid of loosing any of them. As he got more and more oranges, he started loosing his happiness gradually. At the same time, he was happy and enjoying the first orange. " By this story, it is emphasised that a Guru can make a lot of difference in one, and so, like the subject of this mail says " Guru is required " Om Namo Narayanaya Suresh C. Kurup --- On Sun, 27/12/09, sree kumar <sreeku_75 (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: sree kumar <sreeku_75 (AT) (DOT) co.in> Re: [Guruvayur] Guru is Required guruvayur Sunday, 27 December, 2009, 2:11 PM Dhanyatman,, I also heard about Mata,Pita,Guru, Daivam. I understands this truth is works as –“ through mata or amma only we can identify our Pita or Father ( that means, Mother only can tell the final word about father to convince her child , this is your father).Pita can guide us to show Guru or he will lead us to a way for Guru. Guru can give knowledge or Vijnanam to see the unseen power through his experience.That unseen power is GOD. This MATA, PITA ,GURU, DAIVAM sankalpam, is opening the way to search GOD. we are strarting from root-MATA ,then PITA, then GURU, then finally reaches to GOD.This is the route map for find out god. Also one more narration we can give, That is, while worshiping this series, we have to strat from AMMA,ACHAN,GURU, DAIVAM. That means if one is ignoring or deny his / her mother , father and guru and going to temple to worshiping god is worthless and pure foolishness. I suggest this to everybody and to think like this way then our society will change and will get Shanthi & Samadhanam. So every one can think this statement as per our buddhee and yukthi. Sincerely, With prayers sreekumar --- On Sat, 26/12/09, Veena Nair <veeus18 > wrote: Veena Nair <veeus18 > Re: [Guruvayur] Guru is Required guruvayur@grou ps.com Saturday, 26 December, 2009, 11:14 PM Namaste Radheji. Swami Sivananda has a very instructive piece on Guru, Guru-bhakti http://www.dlshq. org/download/ gurubhaktiyoga. htm#_VPID_ 91 “Na hi jnaanena sadrisham pavitramiha vidyate,” said Lord Krishna; there is nothing here so grand, ennobling and purifying as Knowledge. How can we attain that Knowledge? There are two statements that answer this great question. “Shraddhaavaan labhate jnaanam”—” a person who has Shraddha attains Jnana”. This word Shraddha is indeed very difficult to define; it is a perfect blending of love, faith, devotion, total egolessness and absolute surrender. The other statement is “Tadviddhi pranipaatena pari-prasnena sevayaa; Upadekshyanti te jnaanam jnaaninah tattvadarsinah”; “Know that by prostrating yourself to, by questioning and by serving those Great Ones who have had a direct perception of the Self; they will impart that Knowledge to you.” This Knowledge is impossible for one to acquire by one’s own unaided self-effort. This truth is clearly brought out in the Visvarupa-Darshana Yoga. After revealing Himself to Arjuna and after once again assuming the lovely human form of Krishna, the Lord declares: “The Wondrous Form that you beheld just now, even the gods are ever desirous of witnessing.” The Lord had already said: “The Devas and the Maharshis know Me not; for I am their very Source.” “But, by Ananya-Bhakti I am capable of being known,” says the Lord. When a person has Ananya Bhakti the Lord reveals Himself to the devotee, even as He revealed Himself to Arjuna. This is a point worth remembering; even then it is He who reveals Himself. It is only after the Lord gave Arjuna the Divya-Chakshu or the Divine Eye was Arjuna able to behold Him. Similarly, “Dadaami buddhi-yogam tam yena maamupayaantite”, when the aspirant is ripe for Wisdom, “I give the Buddhi-Yoga to him and he attains Me.” Even in the crowning declaration of the Gita: “Sarvadharmaan parityajya maamekam sharanam vraja”, the Lord has made it abundantly clear “Aham tvaa sarva paapebhyo mokshayishyaami maa shuchah.” “Surrender yourself wholeheartedly, unreservedly and totally to Me; that is all that you can do; I will free you from sins. You cannot do this yourself. But I will do it, fear not.” “You can only develop Shraddha; I will give you Jnana. You can only surrender yourself; I will give you Liberation.” That is the final declaration of the Lord. A beautiful truth emerges from these passages in the Gita. At one place the Lord says: “I give the aspirant Buddhi-Yoga and he reaches Me.” At another place he says: “Go to the Great Ones; (they are your spiritual preceptors); prostrate to them; serve them; and ask of them; they will impart the Knowledge to you.” Reading the two together we get a glimpse of the grand truth that Guru is God-incarnate upon earth. You can get at the Truth, you can attain Self-realisation either by cultivating Ananya-Bhakti to the Lord in His Transcendental Formless aspect or in His Immanent aspect as your own Guru with a Name you can repeat, a Form on which you can meditate, a distinct personality which you can see, touch and hear, and which can guide you, inspire you, and lead you to the realisation of your Immortal Self. Thus has the Lord established His complete identification with the Spiritual Preceptor, the Guru. And the aspirant can direct his Shraddha and Bhakti either to Him in His Formless aspect or to His Immanent Form upon earth, the Guru, and the latter is certainly more practicable for the vast majority of the aspirants. Guru-Bhakti and Guru-Seva terminate (if it can at all be called a termination) in Self-realisation. You will have to go on serving the Guru. The Guru will reveal the Truth to you when your self-surrender is complete, when the time is ripe. But that is not your concern. Even as Arjuna prayed for the Visvarupa-Darshana and waited for the Lord to bestow the Divya-Chakshu on him, you will have to serve, serve, and serve, and the Guru will bestow the Knowledge on you when you are ripe for It. Some deluded aspirants serve their Guru for some years and then give it up foolishly imagining that they have attained Chitta-Shuddhi. They do not gain the Supreme Knowledge; they do not reach their Goal. They, no doubt, gain some merit (Punya), but Self-realisation is not attained: this is indeed a great loss, a great blunder. Guru-Bhakti and Guru-Seva are like the two oars to the boat of Sadhana that takes you across the torrential stream of Samsara. You cannot do without them until you reach the other shore, until you attain Immortality and Eternal Bliss, until you become a Jivanmukta. Then Guru-Bhakti itself manifests in you as Self-realisation; and Guru-Seva becomes Lokasangraha in which you automatically engage yourself. One who has such a Guru-Bhakti, one who has totally surrendered himself to the Guru, one who serves the Guru wholeheartedly, knows no grief, no sorrow, no fear, no pain, no misery, no ignorance and he instantly attains Godrealisation: for, Guru and God are one. He attains instantaneous Knowledge and Self-Illumination. Therefore have the Upanishads also declared: “Yasya deve para bhaktiryathaa deve tathaa gurau; Tasyaite kathitaahyarthaah prakaashante mahaatmanah.” “One who has Supreme Devotion to God and equal devotion to his Guru, to such a great Mahatma will the truths of the Upanishads be clear as crystal.” ------------ ------- Aum Namo Narayanaya. --- On Sat, 12/26/09, Radhe <shaantih (AT) comcast (DOT) net> wrote: Radhe <shaantih (AT) comcast (DOT) net> Re: [Guruvayur] Guru is Required guruvayur@grou ps.com Saturday, December 26, 2009, 9:44 AM Hare Krishna, Jayanthji! Thank you for your thoughts. Our first, last, and only Guru is the Lord Himself, in whatever form He appears!!! In His Service, Radhe - jayanth m To: guruvayur@grou ps.com Sent: Friday, December 25, 2009 1:53 PM Re: [Guruvayur] Guru is Required we have a great philosophy matha pitha guru Daivam ITS A PROGRESSION DAIVAM IS THE ULTIMATE GURU THE SAME PERSON CAN HAVE MANY ROLES---- TO MY LIMITED BASIC INFORMATION ANYONE CAN BECOME GURU,IF THE PERSON IS HAVING THE INFORMATION & GRACE OF GOD GUESS HU R OUR FIRST GURUS FOR EACH & EVERY AREA WE NEED GURUS THANK YOU The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.430 / Virus Database: 270.14.119/2586 - Release Date: 12/25/09 09:33:00 The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 28, 2009 Report Share Posted December 28, 2009 Hare Krishna! Many ordinary Bhaktas are scared that they do not have any initiation from a Guru ; and therefore they may not be able to progress in Bhakti-yoga . It is true that a genuine Guru facilitates a spiritual aspirant to have express enlightenment . In this era of globalization and fast track life all around, such dedicated Vaishnava Gurus are not easily available to every Bhakta . Therefore, it is necessary to make best use of the available Satsang opportunities which are Bhagavan Sri Krishna's gift . Bhagavan Krishna says in Srimad Bhagavad Gita , 10.9-11 , " Those whose minds are fixed on Me and whose lives are surrendered to Me, derive great satisfaction from enlightening one another about My greatness and speaking about Me . Those whose minds are devoted to Me worship Me with great joy. I Myself give to them the Yoga of wisdom, by which they can come to Me. Only out of compassion for these devotees, I dwelling in their hearts, destroy with the shining lamp of knowledge, the darkness born of ignorance. " From the above instruction of Bhagavan Krishna, it is clear that the Devotees should enlighten each other about Bhagavan . And it is Bhagavan's responsibility to bestow knowledge to His Bhaktas . What matters to Sri Krishna is the Devotee's Bhakti and nothing else . Bhagavan Sri Krishna has personally stated at Guruvayoor temple , " Bhakti is dearer to Me than Vibhakti (knowledge) . I am not only *Amaraprabhu* ( Eternal Lord) but *Maraprabhu* ( Lord of trees) as well " . Therefore , let us give a free hand to all Bhaktas to express themselves . Their innocent responses are nectar to Bhagavan On Mon, Dec 28, 2009 at 3:47 PM, SURESH C KURUP <sureshckurup wrote: Om Namo NarayanayaDear Devotees,There is a verse in the last chapter of Sreemad Bhagavat Geetha " ithi theE njAnamAkhyAtamguhyAt guhyataram mayAvimrusyaitat asesheNayathecchati thathaa kuru " (Bh. Gi. 18-63) " Now, I have imparted you the most secret knowledge. After completely & critically analysing them, do as you like " The Lord himself means that, A Guru can only impart the knowledge and it is the duty of Arjuna (us) to attain the liberation. At the same time, it also means that, we have to critically think about and analyse the things, which have been taught to us, and do not follow anything blindly.If there is a mistake in what I said above, please forgive me and also correct me. I wrote it because, I witnessed what a Guru said to the audience in a Bhagavatha Sapthaaha Yajnam that: " tomorrow all of you bring a note book wherein I will write some manthras and return to you. And after that I will be your Guru forever " Suresh C. KurupOm Namo Narayanaya guruvayur@grou ps.com, " Radhe " <shaantih@.. .> wrote: > > Hare Krishna!!! > > Can someone enlighten me as to where the words of Lord Krishna can be > found which say what is written below? I believe > there is one verse in the Gita where He tells Arjuna to > approach a guru to learn understanding of the vedas: > > Tadviddhi pranipaatena pariprashnena sevayaa; > Upadekshyanti te jnaanam jnaaninas tattwadarshinah. > 34. Know that by long prostration, by question and by service, > the wise who have realised the Truth will instruct thee in (that) knowledge. > > This is the only one I am aware of, compared to the entire remainder of the Gita > which relates to one's direct relationship with Him. How do we reconcile this > with the innumerable places in the Gita where He says surrender to Him? > Love Him? Serve Him? Worship Him? The list is endless and almost the > entire Gita specifically relates to one's direct relationship with the Lord. > > Hoping someone can assist me with this request for sources... > > In HIs Service, > > Radhe The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. -- LET US NOT MAKE OUR STOMACH A GRAVEYARD. LET US NOT EAT FLESH. LET US BE VEGETARIANS AND STAY HEALTHY. Animals are to be loved, not eaten. Eating flesh is good neither for the mind nor for the intellect, not even for the body. It distorts the basic character of human. Think Soul is Soul and it came from the Supreme Soul...God Head Krishna Chant:Hare Krishna, Hare Krishna, Krishna Krishna Hare HareHare Rama, Hare Rama, Rama Rama Hare Hare Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 2009 Report Share Posted December 29, 2009 dear all, thank you very much. satsanga is very important. thank you very much for the comments i got. and the guidance toooo The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2010 Report Share Posted January 5, 2010 Hariom."Easwro gururatmethi moorthi bheda vibhagine, vyomavat vyapta dehaya Dakshinamurthaye namaha:"ie.Pranams to Dakshinamurthy,who is all pervading like sky and who alone appears as Easwra,Guru and Atma, the self."Guroranugrahenaiva puman poornaprasanthayeth"Lord KRISHNA to Kuchela.(Sreemad Bhagavatham) prabhakarji, C/0 GUruvayurappan,gvr.Radhe <shaantihguruvayur Sent: Sat, December 26, 2009 9:14:46 PMRe: [Guruvayur] Guru is Required Hare Krishna, Jayanthji! Thank you for your thoughts. Our first, last, and only Guru is the Lord Himself, in whatever form He appears!!! In His Service, Radhe - jayanth m guruvayur@grou ps.com Friday, December 25, 2009 1:53 PM Re: [Guruvayur] Guru is Required we have a great philosophy matha pitha guru Daivam ITS A PROGRESSION DAIVAM IS THE ULTIMATE GURU THE SAME PERSON CAN HAVE MANY ROLES---- TO MY LIMITED BASIC INFORMATION ANYONE CAN BECOME GURU,IF THE PERSON IS HAVING THE INFORMATION & GRACE OF GOD GUESS HU R OUR FIRST GURUS FOR EACH & EVERY AREA WE NEED GURUS THANK YOU The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.430 / Virus Database: 270.14.119/2586 - Release 12/25/09 09:33:00 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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