Guest guest Posted January 11, 2006 Report Share Posted January 11, 2006 Shree Hari Ram Ram In recent daily messages on Desire (Kamanaa), it was stated: " Wishing that things happen a certain way to your liking and not another way to your disliking, these subtle desires - likes and dislikes, come filled with sorrow. " " A spiritual aspirant must neither wish to fulfill worldly desires, nor despair the lack of fulfillment of spiritual aspirations. " " One must have no insistence (aagraha) of any sort. Questions: 1) What does Swamiji mean by " no insistence " of any sort? Does he mean no insistence in the " happenings " (hone mein) only? or also in the " act of doing " (karnemein)? 2) Shouldn't there be some insistence (aagraha)in things happening a certain way, according to scriptural injunctions, virtuous and acceptable conduct? Having no insistence of any sort, wouldn't that make one vulnerable? 3) Does Gitaji specifically say anything about - " No insistence " (koi aagraha nahi) and 4) Has Pujya Swamiji elaborated on this anywhere? I pray and seek your guidance. With devotion at the lotus feet of Lord Krishna, A Sadhak Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 17, 2006 Report Share Posted January 17, 2006 Shree Hari Ram Ram! Dear Sadhka, Thanks for the questions, few comments follow: Comments about Q 1. I believe swamiji is saying this in the context of Karma Yoga, yes, sadhka should not have agrah on the " happenings " or " outcomes of actions " . The sadhka should not have insistence because one is not free to choose the results of an action, one should be content with whatever the results may be, favorable or unfavorable. He should be " Udasin " about the results. In doing action one has to have the agrah, because the sadhka does have the choice or selection of doing actions, his actions should be based on his inherent duty due to his unique situation due to verna or station in life and injunction of scriptures. The actions he chooses to perform, should not be influenced by Raag/Dvesh (Gita 3-34) and he should follow the attitude of Samta in performing actions (Gita 2-38). Comments on Q 2. Believe not, in particular, when sadhka advises someone on an important issue but the other person does not follow, there should no agrah of any sort on the part of sadhlka. So, in other words, neither in happenings nor in the expectations, whichever way the results turn out to be, sadhka should have no insistence. This is because in happenings or outcomes one does not have a choice or the freedom. Yes at times it may seem that the outcome should be in line with the action but there are factors beyond the control of Sadhka which may influence the result to be very different from the expectation. With no insistence on the outcome, the Sadhaka will be relieved from the anxiety about what may be the outcome. Comments on Q 3. Yes Gita says clearly about the freedom of choice about the action (karane meim) and no freedom to choose the outcome. (Gita 2-47). Comments on Q 4. Swamiji Maharaj mentions it several places: In Gita Probhidhini - commentary on 2-47. In Jivan Upyogi Parbachan, page 103 (Vayvahar mein parmarath) Ram Ram, A Ssdhka ----Original Message----- On Behalf Of mdoshi2 Wednesday, January 11, 2006 4:46 PM QS: No Insistence (koyi aagraha nahi) Shree Hari Ram Ram In recent daily messages on Desire (Kamanaa), it was stated: " Wishing that things happen a certain way to your liking and not another way to your disliking, these subtle desires - likes and dislikes, come filled with sorrow. " " A spiritual aspirant must neither wish to fulfill worldly desires, nor despair the lack of fulfillment of spiritual aspirations. " " One must have no insistence (aagraha) of any sort. Questions: 1) What does Swamiji mean by " no insistence " of any sort? Does he mean no insistence in the " happenings " (hone mein) only? or also in the " act of doing " (karnemein)? 2) Shouldn't there be ! some insistence (aagraha)in things happening a certain way, according to scriptural injunctions, virtuous and acceptable conduct? Having no insistence of any sort, wouldn't that make one vulnerable? 3) Does Gitaji specifically say anything about - " No insistence " (koi aagraha nahi) and Pls. refer to Gita verse 2-47. 4) Has Pujya Swamiji elaborated on this anywhere? I pray and seek your guidance. With devotion at the lotus feet of Lord Krishna, A Sadhak Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2006 Report Share Posted January 25, 2006 mdoshi2 <mdoshi2 wrote: Shree Hari Ram Ram In recent daily messages on Desire (Kamanaa), it was stated: "Wishing that things happen a certain way to your liking and not another way to your disliking, these subtle desires - likes and dislikes, come filled with sorrow.""A spiritual aspirant must neither wish to fulfill worldly desires, nor despair the lack of fulfillment of spiritual aspirations.""One must have no insistence (aagraha) of any sort.Questions:1) What does Swamiji mean by "no insistence" of any sort? Does he mean no insistence in the "happenings" (hone mein) only? or also in the "act of doing" (karnemein)? 2) Shouldn't there be some insistence (aagraha)in things happening a certain way, according to scriptural injunctions, virtuous and acceptable conduct? Having no insistence of any sort, wouldn't that make one vulnerable? 3) Does Gitaji specifically say anything about - "No insistence" (koi aagraha nahi) and 4) Has Pujya Swamiji elaborated on this anywhere? I pray and seek your guidance. With devotion at the lotus feet of Lord Krishna, A Sadhak Priy Sadhak My humble answer to ur Q is 1.Koi aagrah Nahi means in both.Actually it needs some sort of understanding. Imagine we all are like tiny parts of great machine called SRISHTI.eVERY PART HAS PARTICULAR FUNCTION TO PERFORM.you do aagrah or not, it does not matter much to the god.The KARTA of the universe.we can humbly love to be ansh of great lord.as he said "MAMEVANSHO JEEVLOKE JEEV BHOOT SANATAN". sO THINK WHATS THE VALUE OF OUR Aagrah in compare to gods will? If u want to do Agrah there is one place for u. Aagrah stongly for gods love.cause thats the only thing valuable in the universe. 2.There should not be ANY aagrah.thats the first thing to clarify.OK. When u work on the wavelength of the GOD How can u be vulnerable.Anybody trying to make U vulnerable will be taken good care by the GOD. U need not to worry. Infact worrying is also aagrah. 3.Geeta ji says " SARVA SANKALP PARITYAGI YOGARUDASYA TADOCHYATE. " 4.Please read SADHAK SANJIVANI GEETA 18/66.Swamiji has said a lot in datails about this. a lot of love. Pl keep in touch.shre ur experiences. Raja. With a free 1 GB, there's more in store with Mail. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2006 Report Share Posted January 25, 2006 Divine One: ************ >1) What does Swamiji mean by " no insistence " of any sort? Does he >mean no insistence in the " happenings " (hone mein) only? or also in >the " act of doing " (karnemein)? **************** Accept the things as it comes (both good and bad) without being perturbed. Be a witness, sAkhshI bhAva. *********** >2) Shouldn't there be some insistence (aagraha)in things happening >a certain way, according to scriptural injunctions, virtuous and >acceptable conduct? Having no insistence of any sort, wouldn't >that make one vulnerable? ******** Any " Agraha " is rooted in desire and that is the cause of suffering. However there is one activity called " nisskAma karma " or " kAmanA rahit kArya " . That is equivalent of " padmapatramivAmvasA " or lotus leaf in water where water can't touch the lotus leaf even though it is staying in water all the time. Next question is how can it be achieved? By being " sAkssI " or witness to all events. One has to be convinced of who is the real Doer. " Ishwara sarva bhUtAnAm hruddesherjuna tissThati, bhrAmayan sarva bhUtAni yantrArUDhAni mAyayA " (Gita, Ch 18, verse 61). Lord is at the core, the real Doer. mAyA or the illusive machine covers that Reality. ********** >3) Does Gitaji specifically say anything about - " No insistence " >(koi aagraha nahi) and ********** Many places. " nirAshI nirmama bhUtwA, yudhyaswa bigatajwara " (3/30) " nirAshIryatachittAtmA, tyaktasarvamparigraha " (4/21), " ekAkI yata chittAtmA, nirAshIraparigrahah " (6/10). The whole Gita talks about this. Please revert the word " GItA " . It becomes " tAGI " . " tyAGa " or renunciation is the key of " GitA " . How one can do it in living in the world? That's what Lord Krishna showed by living His life like that. ************ Experiencing the absolute calmness in intense activity or otherwise is true " sAkhssI bhAva " in the realm of relativity. humble regards -m >raja gurdasani <muhurmuhu > > >Re: QS: No Insistence (koyi aagraha nahi) >Wed, 25 Jan 2006 03:59:45 -0800 (PST) > > > >mdoshi2 <mdoshi2 wrote: Shree Hari >Ram Ram > >In recent daily messages on Desire (Kamanaa), it was stated: > > " Wishing that things happen a certain way to your liking and not >another way to your disliking, these subtle desires - likes and >dislikes, come filled with sorrow. " > " A spiritual aspirant must neither wish to fulfill worldly desires, >nor despair the lack of fulfillment of spiritual aspirations. " > " One must have no insistence (aagraha) of any sort. >Questions: >1) What does Swamiji mean by " no insistence " of any sort? Does he >mean no insistence in the " happenings " (hone mein) only? or also in >the " act of doing " (karnemein)? > >2) Shouldn't there be some insistence (aagraha)in things happening >a certain way, according to scriptural injunctions, virtuous and >acceptable conduct? Having no insistence of any sort, wouldn't >that make one vulnerable? > >3) Does Gitaji specifically say anything about - " No insistence " >(koi aagraha nahi) and > >4) Has Pujya Swamiji elaborated on this anywhere? > >I pray and seek your guidance. > >With devotion at the lotus feet of Lord Krishna, >A Sadhak > > >Priy Sadhak > My humble answer to ur Q is > 1.Koi aagrah Nahi means in both.Actually it needs some sort of >understanding. Imagine we all are like tiny parts of great machine called >SRISHTI.eVERY PART HAS PARTICULAR FUNCTION TO PERFORM.you do aagrah or not, >it does not matter much to the god.The KARTA of the universe.we can humbly >love to be ansh of great lord.as he said " MAMEVANSHO JEEVLOKE JEEV BHOOT >SANATAN " . > sO THINK WHATS THE VALUE OF OUR Aagrah in compare to gods will? If u >want to do Agrah there is one place for u. Aagrah stongly for gods >love.cause thats the only thing valuable in the universe. > 2.There should not be ANY aagrah.thats the first thing to clarify.OK. > When u work on the wavelength of the GOD How can u be vulnerable.Anybody >trying to make U vulnerable will be taken good care by the GOD. U need not >to worry. > Infact worrying is also aagrah. > 3.Geeta ji says " SARVA SANKALP PARITYAGI YOGARUDASYA TADOCHYATE. " > 4.Please read SADHAK SANJIVANI GEETA 18/66.Swamiji has said a lot in >datails about this. > a lot of love. Pl keep in touch.shre ur experiences. > Raja. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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