Guest guest Posted February 27, 2006 Report Share Posted February 27, 2006 Hey Govind, Hey Gopal Please someone can help me to remove one of my doubt. IT is: IF WE ARE THE PART OF GOVIND, THEN FOR WHAT REASONS WE GOT SEPERATION FROM HIM? I MEAN , HUM USSE DOOR KAISE HO GAYE, KYA KARAN THA JO HUM ALAG HO GAYE. RAM RAM RAMNEERAJ MISHRA Mail Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 28, 2006 Report Share Posted February 28, 2006 My Divine, Pranam. Yes we are part of Govind and by no means we are separated from Him, if we were, we would not be able to call ourselves alive! One of the meanings of word Govind & Gopal is the Lord of our Senses or the sustainer of senses. So if any of our senses are working, it is because of HIS grace or presence only!!!!!! Our ego creates this illusion (bhramnaa) of separateness or duality, even if we want to we can not separate from Him!!!!! So it is not the separation rather it is our forgetfulness or unawareness or ignorance that is causing this so called unreal separation! Ask yourself whether you are alive or not? If the answer is yes, how can you say you are separate from Govind? It is HIM only breathing through, so called, you. How do you breath? Whatever is your answer might be a mechanism that is used for the breathing but how that breath is pulled ultimately within you? It is the same air pervading in everyone, but, what is it in this air that keeps you alive? I know we will say oxygen but what is it in this oxygen that gives life the livelihood? Go to the ultimate source, search for that source and you will realize that you were never separated from HIM, no one have. Am I making any sense? He is as much within you as He is in rest of HIS creation but our ego creates this veil of separation. For example, if you put a dark object between your eyes and sun, the light of sun is only blocked, it doesn't mean the sun has stopped existing. The cloud of ignorance can temporarily hide the sun but the moment these clouds disperse, the sun remained in existence as it was always before in front of us. Two stories come to my mind... One from Mahabharata and one from Bhaagwatam. In Mahabharata, the same Vishvarupa was shown by Krishna to Duryodhan during peace talk prior to Arjun's seeing it in the battle field but Duryodhan could not comprehend it because of his extreme ego (ahmkaar me andhaa honaa) but Arjun can. In Bhagwatam, there is a story of Daksha Prajapati (son of Bhramaa, the father of Sati - Shiva's wife) who was blinded by his ego and started thinking he is the doer of all, ignoring and bad mouthing Lord Shiva, ultimately ended-up being cursed to have goat head which says (read in Hindi) 'me me me', i.e., I..., I..., I... This is a symbolic story but tells that when you are entangled with your ego so much you start believing you are the doer of all and take credit for all that's when we can say one has forgotten God or have become ignorant of who is behind everything or have separated from God. So when the veil of ego drops, the all pervading, always existent, omnipotent will be felt. Feel HIS grace in everything you do, continuously ask who is the doer? This I, we, you, he, she, me-mine, etc. are an intermediaries created of falsehood, merely a shadow which has no existence of its own! Hope this helps... Let Govind / Gopal enhance our understanding of our always present union with HIM Always at Thy Lotus Feet On Behalf Of Neeraj MishraTuesday, February 28, 2006 12:44 AM Subject: single doubt Hey Govind, Hey Gopal Please someone can help me to remove one of my doubt. IT is: IF WE ARE THE PART OF GOVIND, THEN FOR WHAT REASONS WE GOT SEPERATION FROM HIM? I MEAN , HUM USSE DOOR KAISE HO GAYE, KYA KARAN THA JO HUM ALAG HO GAYE. RAM RAM RAM NEERAJ MISHRA MailBring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 28, 2006 Report Share Posted February 28, 2006 Divine One: The wave of the sea and the sea are never separate. It is the " I " ness and " my " ness of the wave creates that illusive separation. There is nothing which is not God. Yet the seeming separateness is created by mAyA. It is said in Gita " prakruteh kriyamaNAni...ahamkAra bimUDhAtmA kartArahamiti manyate " (3/27) The foolish " I " thinks that all the activities are done by it. Again Lord says " ahamAtmA GuDakesha...aham Adimchamadhyam cha prANinAm antameba cha " (10/20) Lord is the beginning, end and inbetween of the existence. Lord is within and the support of all. Nothing else remains which Lord is not. All the " sAdhanA " is to take that " I " ness and " my " ness out which is the end of all sorrows. The deep longing within the seeker to be united with the Lord is real " shraddhA " . And that " shraddhA " removes the ignorance. That " shraddhA " becomes Guru. There is no difference between Sad Guru and Lord ( " Gurureva Parabrahma, tasmaishrI Gurave namah " - Guru Gita). For a sincere seeker Lord becomes the Guru. The purity within makes one God realized Master. Whether one is a householder or not, that is immaterial. Lord Rama and Lord Krishna were householders. Their Gurus Rishi Vashishtha and Rishi Sandipani respectively were householders. King Janaka, the great BramajnAnI was a householder. In our present era Srimat Shyma Charan Lahiri Mahashaya, a God realized Master, Guru of Sri Yukteswarji Maharaj whose disciple was Paramahamsa Yogananda was a householder. There are many such examples. " sannyAsa " and " Grihastha " is a " state " . The outer clothes or casual look at the person's outward activities may not show the actual " state " of the person. It is always better to be a sannyAsi within and householder outside than the reverse. Let the sincere " sAdhanA " with complete surrender at the Lotus Feet of the Lord be the motto of every sincere " sAdhaka " . Thank you! humble regards -m >Neeraj Mishra <apj_neeraj > > > single doubt >Mon, 27 Feb 2006 21:43:50 -0800 (PST) > >Hey Govind, Hey Gopal > > Please someone can help me to remove one of my doubt. > > IT is: IF WE ARE THE PART OF GOVIND, THEN FOR WHAT REASONS WE GOT >SEPERATION FROM HIM? I MEAN , HUM USSE DOOR KAISE HO GAYE, KYA KARAN THA JO >HUM ALAG HO GAYE. > > > RAM RAM RAM > > >NEERAJ MISHRA > > > > > > Mail >Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 2, 2006 Report Share Posted March 2, 2006 Ram Ram Sending it again, made few corrections pls. Thanks and regards, Madan Kaura, Madan (M.L.) Thursday, March 02, 2006 2:11 PM ' ' RE: single doubt Shree Hari Ram Ram priya Sadhaka Apke prashana ke liya dhanyavad! Swamiji Maharaj has addressed this question very extensively in his parbhachans, here are few comments based on what I recall - The fact that we feel separate from God while knowing fully well (at least intellectually) that we are a ray of His consciousness! It is not really that important to find how this separation happened, there are no good answers. But important thing is how to remove this separation! For example - when there is a ink spot on our shirt, it is not good idea to spend our energies to determine how this happened but important thing is to be able to remove the spot. As we know there are two entities Jada and Chetan,the body & the world are Jada and Atman & Paramnatma are Chetan. Jada & Chetan are separate entities but due to some reason (Perhaps due to Maya), a knot (GRANTHI) exists between the two, how to open this knot? Goswami Tulsidasji in Ramayana provides the answer (Pls. refer to Ramayana Uttar Kandha (DOHA#S 116-120). Two methods are suggested the DIFFICULT path of Jnana and the EASY path of Bhakti to open this knot. THE ROOT CAUSE OF THIS PROBLEM IS THAT WE AREE OPERATING AT bODY LEVEL ONLY. Since this " manayata " that we are the body (and are separate from God) is adopted by the individual and the responsibility for removing this " manayata " lies with the individual too! If we truly have longing to remove our suffering (to realize our true home), then sincere praying to God for His grace would certainly a long way. Gita says it in so many ways: Few examples - Gita 15-7 says it so clearly we are nothing but His Ansha, just have to accept this truth. Gita 7-7 says there is nothing in the world and beyond the world which exists without Me. Gita 7-10 says I am the eternal seed from what everything comes forth! Gita 7-19 says, all is God Depending on one's preference and natural tendencies, Gita specifies different paths (Pls. refer to Sadhka Sanjivini for detailed commentary on the following shalokas): JNANA YOGA (Gita 2/11 - 2/30 (Real Atma vs. unreal body),13-1 & 13/2 (Kshetra vs Kshetrajana),(13/27-31) KARMA YOGA (Gita 2/38, 2/47, 2/48, 3/34) BHAKTI YOGA (Gita 7-19, 8-14, 9-22, 9/30, 9/31, 11-55, 12/13-20, 15-7 and 18-66) Humble pranam! A sadhaka > IT is: IF WE ARE THE PART OF GOVIND, THEN FOR WHAT REASONS WE GOT >SEPERATION FROM HIM? I MEAN , HUM USSE DOOR KAISE HO GAYE, KYA KARAN THA JO >HUM ALAG HO GAYE. > > > RAM RAM RAM > > >NEERAJ MISHRA > > > > > > Mail >Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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