Guest guest Posted May 7, 2006 Report Share Posted May 7, 2006 Shree Hari i read about " thinking and awareness, " message from sadhak group. it's nice and i feel peace in my heart. We are all God ? Am i right ? you are God , I'm God , every one in this world is God . All is God. But one thing I don't understand is , if we are God, then why there is people still doing bad to other people ? this may be a silly question but i want to have a clear vision. why people fight with each other, kill, rape, and do all that bad thing to other people . why ? does that mean they are not God ? if we are God we can stop our self from doing such a thing . so , how come we being God, do such thing ? this question can make you to think that i'm a crazy girl of may be a fool , but im asking this also because of God . i believe that God is the one who asking this, just like you say we are God. I'm sorry if i hurt you or my msg makes you angry , i just want to know and understand about this . im sorry . om . " Rubhini " <rubhini Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 7, 2006 Report Share Posted May 7, 2006 Sri Hari, It would not be appropriate to say " I am God " , " You are God " etc. It can however be said that all of us have the potential of divinity within us, which might be hidden underneath a thick crust of passions like desire, anger, greed, delusion, pride and jealousy etc. The goal of religion is to manifest that divinity by controlling internal and external nature by adopting any one or more of the paths prescribed, namely the path of work, path of worship, path of philosophy or path of psychic control. That can lead us to freedom. This is the view expressed by Swami Vivekananda. Pl. correct me if I am wrong. Hari Om. Mahaveer Khetawat > " sadhak_insight " <sadhak_insight > > > All is God, then Why? >Sun, 07 May 2006 17:45:36 -0000 >MIME-Version: 1.0 >X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.50 >X-Sender: sadhak_insight >Received: from n10a.bullet.sc5. ([66.163.187.153]) by >bay0-mc4-f6.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Sun, 7 >May 2006 10:47:57 -0700 >Received: from [66.163.187.123] by n10.bullet.sc5. with NNFMP; 07 >May 2006 17:46:25 -0000 >Received: from [66.218.69.2] by t4.bullet.sc5. with NNFMP; 07 May >2006 17:46:25 -0000 >Received: from [66.218.67.199] by t2.bullet.scd. with NNFMP; 07 >May 2006 17:46:25 -0000 >Received: (qmail 63052 invoked from network); 7 May 2006 17:46:24 -0000 >Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m6.grp.scd. with QMQP; >7 May 2006 17:46:24 -0000 >Received: from unknown (HELO n31a.bullet.scd.) (209.73.160.90) by >mta3.grp.scd. with SMTP; 7 May 2006 17:46:24 -0000 >Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n31.bullet.scd. with NNFMP; 07 May >2006 17:46:20 -0000 >Received: from [66.218.66.89] by t5.bullet.scd. with NNFMP; 07 May >2006 17:46:20 -0000 >Received: (qmail 12255 invoked from network); 7 May 2006 17:45:50 -0000 >Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m26.grp.scd. with QMQP; >7 May 2006 17:45:50 -0000 >Received: from unknown (HELO n21a.bullet.scd.) (66.94.237.50) by >mta9.grp.scd. with SMTP; 7 May 2006 17:45:50 -0000 >Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n21.bullet.scd. with NNFMP; 07 May >2006 17:45:38 -0000 >Received: from [66.218.66.85] by t6.bullet.scd. with NNFMP; 07 May >2006 17:45:38 -0000 >X-Message-Info: LsUYwwHHNt0vF6uXoEQ7OH0Q3L2BqubQBmw0wrsDSt8= >X--Newman-Property: groups-email >X--Newman-Id: 16569663-m199 >Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam./domainkeys >X-Apparently- >Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam./domainkeys >User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 >X-Mailer: Message Poster >X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 >X--Post-IP: 68.41.167.3 >X--Profile: sadhak_insight >X-eGroups-Approved-By: sadhak_insight <sadhak_insight via web; >07 May 2006 17:46:18 -0000 >Mailing-List: list ; contact >-owner >Delivered-mailing list >List-Id: <.> >Precedence: bulk >List-Un: <- > >Return-Path: >sentto-16569663-199-1147023984-mkhetawat=hotmail.com >X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 May 2006 17:47:57.0414 (UTC) >FILETIME=[60133060:01C671FE] > >Shree Hari > >i read about " thinking and awareness, " message from sadhak group. >it's nice and i feel peace in my heart. >We are all God ? Am i right ? you are God , I'm God , every one >in this world is God . All is God. >But one thing I don't understand is , if we are God, then why there is >people still doing bad to other people ? this may be a silly question >but i want to have a clear vision. why people fight with each other, >kill, rape, and do all that bad thing to other people . why ? does >that mean they are not God ? if we are God we can stop our self from >doing such a thing . so , how come we being God, do such thing ? this >question can make you to think that i'm a crazy girl of may be a >fool , but im asking this also because of God . i believe that God is >the one who asking this, just like you say we are God. I'm sorry if i >hurt you or my msg makes you angry , i just want to know and >understand about this . im sorry . om . > > " Rubhini " <rubhini > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 7, 2006 Report Share Posted May 7, 2006 Dear Rubhini The problem here is in the understanding of the concepts of Sri Bhagwad Gita. It is incorrect to assume that we are God!! God is in all of us but w are not God. We are a part of the divinity and till the time we are in the protection of God, we will always follow the righteous path, or atleast we should try and follow the righteous path. However, when a person deviates from this path, he commits all such types of sins. Sri Valmiki was in the wrong path, but as soon as he came under the protection of Lord, he willfully gave away all his vices. This is the essence and the power of Bhakti and devotion... Regards Bhupinder Grewal Medical Solutions SIEMENS LTD. Tel : +91 22 24987397 Fax : +91 22 24987362 It's in my blood - 'B' positive On Behalf Of sadhak_insight Sunday, May 07, 2006 11:16 PM All is God, then Why? Shree Hari i read about " thinking and awareness, " message from sadhak group. it's nice and i feel peace in my heart. We are all God ? Am i right ? you are God , I'm God , every one in this world is God . All is God. But one thing I don't understand is , if we are God, then why there is people still doing bad to other people ? this may be a silly question but i want to have a clear vision. why people fight with each other, kill, rape, and do all that bad thing to other people . why ? does that mean they are not God ? if we are God we can stop our self from doing such a thing . so , how come we being God, do such thing ? this question can make you to think that i'm a crazy girl of may be a fool , but im asking this also because of God . i believe that God is the one who asking this, just like you say we are God. I'm sorry if i hurt you or my msg makes you angry , i just want to know and understand about this . im sorry . om . " Rubhini " <rubhini Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 8, 2006 Report Share Posted May 8, 2006 Divine One: If all the human beings realize they are God, there won't be a samsAra and all the happenings which go with it. As the knowledge is not there, there is samsAra or world. As one progresses in That knowledge, more divinity is reflected and vice versa. The greatest sin is not realizing one's true essence. The world has to continue in its own ways. But the essence remains unaffected. Being That Essence is God which in One and only One. Any thing else..there would be dualities happiness-unhappiness, pain-pleasure, having an object-not having the object etc. sAdhanA is absolutely necessary in every breath consistently, devotedly without being affected by the intermittent results. The realization of Self will be discovered at the appropriate time surely and certainly. Thank you! humble regards -m > " sadhak_insight " <sadhak_insight > > > All is God, then Why? >Sun, 07 May 2006 17:45:36 -0000 > >Shree Hari > >i read about " thinking and awareness, " message from sadhak group. >it's nice and i feel peace in my heart. >We are all God ? Am i right ? you are God , I'm God , every one >in this world is God . All is God. >But one thing I don't understand is , if we are God, then why there is >people still doing bad to other people ? this may be a silly question >but i want to have a clear vision. why people fight with each other, >kill, rape, and do all that bad thing to other people . why ? does >that mean they are not God ? if we are God we can stop our self from >doing such a thing . so , how come we being God, do such thing ? this >question can make you to think that i'm a crazy girl of may be a >fool , but im asking this also because of God . i believe that God is >the one who asking this, just like you say we are God. I'm sorry if i >hurt you or my msg makes you angry , i just want to know and >understand about this . im sorry . om . > > " Rubhini " <rubhini > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 9, 2006 Report Share Posted May 9, 2006 Dear members,The issue is raised by someone who is familiar with Advaita Vedanta. I am myself a Buddhist and since there are so many similarities between the two streams of philosophy, I shall try to answer the question. I shall also explain the Buddhist standpoint on the issue of all of us being 'God' etc. As an overview, Advaita Vedanta says that all sorrow is rooted in the ignorance of the nature of the Self. The self is assumed incorrectly to be the body, feelings etc. When knowledge of the Self (as given in the Upanishads) is revealed to the seeker, he gets enlightened and released from all sorrow. Classical Advaita Vedanta does not stop here, but goes one step further and explains that the true nature of the Self is nirguNa Brahman, which projects itslef as the duality of the ISvara and the individual self (jIva) in the realm of ignorance. It is only a projection that qualifies the distinction between ISvara, jIva etc. That is why the usual misconception is that Advaita Vedanta teaches that 'All is God' meaning 'God' in the sense of ISvara, which exists only in the realm of avidyA. I and you cannot be 'God' since this 'God' and this 'I' or 'you' exist only in the realm of avidyA, in which this identity does not hold true. This teaching is a very obstruse one meant for an audience much more advanced and qualified than most of us. In the realm of this knowledge, there is no distinction made between individuals. Then the question of why people fight does not even arise. To answer the question, all of crime is an indication of the existence of sorrow and sorrow exists because of ignorance. According to Advaita Vedanta this ignorance is the ignorance of the nature of the Self. Once the nature of this Self is known as untainted, unconditioned, without a second, etc. as explained in the Upanishads, crime itself vanishes. One having performed such acts, if by developing a lot of virtue etc., gets enlightened, does not regret his actions for no longer do the actions affect him, he being completely enlightened. In Buddhism, this is slightly different. We agree with Advaita Vedanta almost everywhere, except that there is no real need to introduce the concept of Brahman. All sorrow is caused due to ignorance of the true nature of self, because of which we perceive the whole world as mine, my body, my name, my hair, my watch etc. This incorrect understanding of the self leads to an incorrect understanding of the self as the body, feelings, mental fabrications, thoughts and consciousness etc. all of which are incorrect understandings. These (body, feelings etc.) are conditioned phenomena since they are only transient. Nibbana is the only unconditioned phenomenon since it does not change, there is no second to it, there is no duality in it, no here, no there, no birth no death, no fear, no sorrow, etc. This Nibbana, cannot be said to be existent, non-existent, both or neither of the two, since it is beyond the realm of existence or non-existence. (In essence, I beleive that the Buddhist Nibbana is not different from the Advaitic Brahman.) When a person through knowledge, sees and knows for sure that these (body feelings etc.) are not the self, he develops detachment for these and hence knows Nibbana (or gets released) or achieves Nibbana. This is the Buddhist position. Again in this, there is no such possibility of I and you being 'God', since the notion of 'God' is not required and not the aim of Buddhism. Nibbana is the only spiritual goal in Buddhism, just like mokSha is the only goal for Advaita Vedanta - not even ISvara. Again in the realm of Nibbana, since I and you are not different entities and all entities are 'dissolved' or they are known to be unworthy of clinging and attachment, one has no room to ask questions on crime. -Bhikku Yogi Love cheap thrills? Enjoy PC-to-Phone calls to 30+ countries for just 2¢/min with Messenger with Voice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 13, 2006 Report Share Posted May 13, 2006 Dear ones, When it is said All Is God or God is all, and better still, THERE IS ONLY GOD, it depends on one's knowledge about that God. The Upanishads unfolds this. Warm regardssadhak_insight <sadhak_insight wrote: Shree Hari i read about "thinking and awareness," message from sadhak group. it's nice and i feel peace in my heart. We are all God ? Am i right ? you are God , I'm God , every onein this world is God . All is God. But one thing I don't understand is , if we are God, then why there is people still doing bad to other people ? this may be a silly question but i want to have a clear vision. why people fight with each other, kill, rape, and do all that bad thing to other people . why ? does that mean they are not God ? if we are God we can stop our self from doing such a thing . so , how come we being God, do such thing ? this question can make you to think that i'm a crazy girl of may be a fool , but im asking this also because of God . i believe that God is the one who asking this, just like you say we are God. I'm sorry if i hurt you or my msg makes you angry , i just want to know and understand about this . im sorry . om ."Rubhini" <rubhini R. S. Mani Mail goes everywhere you do. Get it on your phone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 14, 2006 Report Share Posted May 14, 2006 True there is only One Almighty but still ppl going on doing harmful things to others.. evenif He resides in every one of us still we do things beyond His nature the sole reason for this is the falling trust in Him, we have been self reliant rather than relying on His will, we have started to think that we can take care of things and we can do every thing and what ever we do is correct where as His preaching says that LEAVE EVERY THING ON ME. Those who dont they do all this things.. On Sat, 13 May 2006 RS.MANI wrote : >Dear ones, > When it is said All Is God or God is all, and better still, THERE IS ONLY GOD, it depends on one's knowledge about that God. The Upanishads unfolds this. > Warm regards > >sadhak_insight <sadhak_insight wrote: > Shree Hari > >i read about " thinking and awareness, " message from sadhak group. >it's nice and i feel peace in my heart. >We are all God ? Am i right ? you are God , I'm God , every one >in this world is God . All is God. >But one thing I don't understand is , if we are God, then why there is >people still doing bad to other people ? this may be a silly question >but i want to have a clear vision. why people fight with each other, >kill, rape, and do all that bad thing to other people . why ? does >that mean they are not God ? if we are God we can stop our self from >doing such a thing . so , how come we being God, do such thing ? this >question can make you to think that i'm a crazy girl of may be a >fool , but im asking this also because of God . i believe that God is >the one who asking this, just like you say we are God. I'm sorry if i >hurt you or my msg makes you angry , i just want to know and >understand about this . im sorry . om . > > " Rubhini " <rubhini > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 14, 2006 Report Share Posted May 14, 2006 Dear Mr Khandewal, Our understanding of God is imperfect. According to our scriptures god is not a micromanager. The results of actions are according to our previous karmas and karmas of others interacting with us. Prayer is an action therefore it influences results. We all have a free will. Exercise of free will with deluded mind secondary to ignorance results in wrong actions. Lot of natural events like earthquake are natural, sad bur neither good or bad. I hope I made some sense of this difficult topic Devotee Anil Aggarwal On Behalf Of Aravind Khandelwal Sunday, May 14, 2006 2:09 AM Re: Re: All is God, then Why? True there is only One Almighty but still ppl going on doing harmful things to others.. evenif He resides in every one of us still we do things beyond His nature the sole reason for this is the falling trust in Him, we have been self reliant rather than relying on His will, we have started to think that we can take care of things and we can do every thing and what ever we do is correct where as His preaching says that LEAVE EVERY THING ON ME. Those who dont they do all this things.. On Sat, 13 May 2006 RS.MANI wrote : >Dear ones, > When it is said All Is God or God is all, and better still, THERE IS ONLY GOD, it depends on one's knowledge about that God. The Upanishads unfolds this. > Warm regards > >sadhak_insight <sadhak_insight wrote: > Shree Hari > >i read about " thinking and awareness, " message from sadhak group. >it's nice and i feel peace in my heart. >We are all God ? Am i right ? you are God , I'm God , every one >in this world is God . All is God. >But one thing I don't understand is , if we are God, then why there is >people still doing bad to other people ? this may be a silly question >but i want to have a clear vision. why people fight with each other, >kill, rape, and do all that bad thing to other people . why ? does >that mean they are not God ? if we are God we can stop our self from >doing such a thing . so , how come we being God, do such thing ? this >question can make you to think that i'm a crazy girl of may be a >fool , but im asking this also because of God . i believe that God is >the one who asking this, just like you say we are God. I'm sorry if i >hurt you or my msg makes you angry , i just want to know and >understand about this . im sorry . om . > > " Rubhini " <rubhini > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 15, 2006 Report Share Posted May 15, 2006 Dear Mr. Khandewal, If God says,"LEAVE IT UP TO ME"...Then why do we worry sickwhen our kids don't do well at school or when they are not responsible for theirlives??? If We (parents) left everything on God, do you thinksituation will be taken care of??? Thanks. Trying to have a faith in God... [ ] On Behalf Of AnilAggarwalSunday, May 14, 2006 7:54 PMRE: Re: All is God,then Why? Dear MrKhandewal, Our understanding ofGod is imperfect. According to our scriptures god is not a micromanager. Theresults of actions are according to our previous karmas and karmas of othersinteracting with us. Prayer is an action therefore it influences results. We allhave a free will. Exercise of free will with deluded mind secondary toignorance results in wrong actions. Lot ofnatural events like earthquake are natural, sad bur neither good or bad. I hopeI made some sense of this difficult topic Devotee Anil Aggarwal On Behalf Of AravindKhandelwalSunday, May14, 2006 2:09 AMRe: Re: All is God,then Why? Truethere is only One Almighty but still ppl going on doing harmful things toothers.. evenif He resides in every one of us still we do things beyond Hisnature the sole reason for this is the falling trust in Him, we have been selfreliant rather than relying on His will, we have started to think that we cantake care of things and we can do every thing and what ever we do is correctwhere as His preaching says that LEAVE EVERY THING ON ME. Those who dont they doall this things.. On Sat, 13 May 2006 RS.MANI wrote :>Dearones,> When it is said All Is God or God is all, and better still,THERE IS ONLY GOD, it depends on one's knowledge about that God. The Upanishadsunfolds this.> Warm regards>>sadhak_insight<sadhak_insight wrote:> ShreeHari>>i read about "thinking and awareness," message from sadhakgroup.>it's nice and i feel peace in my heart.>We are all God ? Ami right ? you are God , I'm God , every one>in this world is God . All is God.>But one thing I don't understand is , if we are God, then whythere is>people still doing bad to other people ? this may be a sillyquestion>but i want to have a clear vision. why people fight with eachother,>kill, rape, and do all that bad thing to other people . why ?does>that mean they are not God ? if we are God we can stop our selffrom>doing such a thing . so , how come we being God, do such thing ?this>question can make you to think that i'm a crazy girl of may bea>fool , but im asking this also because of God . i believe that Godis>the one who asking this, just like you say we are God. I'm sorry ifi>hurt you or my msg makes you angry , i just want to knowand>understand about this . im sorry . om .>> "Rubhini"<rubhini>>>>>>>>>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 15, 2006 Report Share Posted May 15, 2006 dvora EXCELLENT QUESTION. THE ANSWER MAY BE IN GITA LORD KRISHNA SAYS TO ARJUNA " PERFORM YOUR APPROPRIATE KARMA --------------------AND LEAVE THE REST TO ME REGARDS DRV , "Modi, Kay" <kay.modi wrote:>> > Dear Mr. Khandewal,> > If God says,"LEAVE IT UP TO ME"...Then why do we worry sick when our> kids don't do well at school or when they are not responsible for their> lives???> If We (parents) left everything on God, do you think situation will be> taken care of???> > Thanks.> > Trying to have a faith in God...> > > > > ________________________________> > On> Behalf Of Anil Aggarwal> Sunday, May 14, 2006 7:54 PM> > RE: Re: All is God, then Why?> > > > Dear Mr Khandewal,> > Our understanding of God is imperfect. According to our scriptures god> is not a micromanager. The results of actions are according to our> previous karmas and karmas of others interacting with us. Prayer is an> action therefore it influences results. We all have a free will.> Exercise of free will with deluded mind secondary to ignorance results> in wrong actions. Lot of natural events like earthquake are natural, sad> bur neither good or bad. I hope I made some sense of this difficult> topic> > > > > > Devotee> > > > > > Anil Aggarwal > > > > ________________________________> > On> Behalf Of Aravind Khandelwal> Sunday, May 14, 2006 2:09 AM> > Re: Re: All is God, then Why?> > > > > True there is only One Almighty but still ppl going on doing harmful> things to others.. evenif He resides in every one of us still we do> things beyond His nature the sole reason for this is the falling trust> in Him, we have been self reliant rather than relying on His will, we> have started to think that we can take care of things and we can do> every thing and what ever we do is correct where as His preaching says> that LEAVE EVERY THING ON ME. Those who dont they do all this things.. > > On Sat, 13 May 2006 RS.MANI wrote :> >Dear ones,> > When it is said All Is God or God is all, and better still, THERE IS> ONLY GOD, it depends on one's knowledge about that God. The Upanishads> unfolds this.> > Warm regards> >> >sadhak_insight sadhak_insight wrote:> > Shree Hari> >> >i read about "thinking and awareness," message from sadhak group.> >it's nice and i feel peace in my heart.> >We are all God ? Am i right ? you are God , I'm God , every one> >in this world is God . All is God.> >But one thing I don't understand is , if we are God, then why there is> >people still doing bad to other people ? this may be a silly question> >but i want to have a clear vision. why people fight with each other,> >kill, rape, and do all that bad thing to other people . why ? does> >that mean they are not God ? if we are God we can stop our self from> >doing such a thing . so , how come we being God, do such thing ? this> >question can make you to think that i'm a crazy girl of may be a> >fool , but im asking this also because of God . i believe that God is> >the one who asking this, just like you say we are God. I'm sorry if i> >hurt you or my msg makes you angry , i just want to know and> >understand about this . im sorry . om .> >> > "Rubhini" rubhini >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 15, 2006 Report Share Posted May 15, 2006 Dear Mr. Modi In Bhagwad Gita, there is a special mention of Karma. The importance of doing good Karma stems out of the fact that you will always be judged by your actions. ‘Leave everything to me’ does not mean that we should sit tight and do nothing at all. We all have to play our part in this world. During the Mahabharata, Lord Krishna offered the same advise to Arjuna by saying that, ‘Do not bother about the enemy as I am with you’. It did not mean that Arjuna should sit idle and Lord Krishna would win the war for him. Kurukshetra was the Karmabhoomi of Arjuna. Similarly, this world is your Karmabhoomi and you have been born in this world for doing your actions. So, please do not stay away from getting worried about your child’s results. This is also your concern. Your concern will install a sense of discipline in him and he will do good in life. This would be your good Karma. I hope I have been able to address your query and installed some faith in you. PS – Writing this mail is my Karma and if you get some message out of it, it would mean that Lord had bestowed upon me the task of reaching out to you. I do not sure about others, but personally I do not know any other member of this group, yet I am benefiting from the thought-process of so many individuals like me, and at the same time I am able to share my understanding of life with others. Regards Bhupinder Grewal Medical Solutions SIEMENS LTD. Tel : +91 22 24987397 Fax : +91 22 24987362 It's in my blood - 'B' positive -----Original Message----- On Behalf Of Modi, Kay Monday, May 15, 2006 10:24 PM RE: Re: All is God, then Why? Dear Mr. Khandewal, If God says, " LEAVE IT UP TO ME " ...Then why do we worry sick when our kids don't do well at school or when they are not responsible for their lives??? If We (parents) left everything on God, do you think situation will be taken care of??? Thanks. Trying to have a faith in God... On Behalf Of Anil Aggarwal Sunday, May 14, 2006 7:54 PM RE: Re: All is God, then Why? Dear Mr Khandewal, Our understanding of God is imperfect. According to our scriptures god is not a micromanager. The results of actions are according to our previous karmas and karmas of others interacting with us. Prayer is an action therefore it influences results. We all have a free will. Exercise of free will with deluded mind secondary to ignorance results in wrong actions. Lot of natural events like earthquake are natural, sad bur neither good or bad. I hope I made some sense of this difficult topic Devotee Anil Aggarwal On Behalf Of Aravind Khandelwal Sunday, May 14, 2006 2:09 AM Re: Re: All is God, then Why? True there is only One Almighty but still ppl going on doing harmful things to others.. evenif He resides in every one of us still we do things beyond His nature the sole reason for this is the falling trust in Him, we have been self reliant rather than relying on His will, we have started to think that we can take care of things and we can do every thing and what ever we do is correct where as His preaching says that LEAVE EVERY THING ON ME. Those who dont they do all this things.. On Sat, 13 May 2006 RS.MANI wrote : >Dear ones, > When it is said All Is God or God is all, and better still, THERE IS ONLY GOD, it depends on one's knowledge about that God. The Upanishads unfolds this. > Warm regards > >sadhak_insight <sadhak_insight wrote: > Shree Hari > >i read about " thinking and awareness, " message from sadhak group. >it's nice and i feel peace in my heart. >We are all God ? Am i right ? you are God , I'm God , every one >in this world is God . All is God. >But one thing I don't understand is , if we are God, then why there is >people still doing bad to other people ? this may be a silly question >but i want to have a clear vision. why people fight with each other, >kill, rape, and do all that bad thing to other people . why ? does >that mean they are not God ? if we are God we can stop our self from >doing such a thing . so , how come we being God, do such thing ? this >question can make you to think that i'm a crazy girl of may be a >fool , but im asking this also because of God . i believe that God is >the one who asking this, just like you say we are God. I'm sorry if i >hurt you or my msg makes you angry , i just want to know and >understand about this . im sorry . om . > > " Rubhini " <rubhini > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 16, 2006 Report Share Posted May 16, 2006 We as a human being have got a soul, a point of light located at the middle of eyebrow. Soul consists of Mind, Intellect and Sanskaras.Our Original nature is of Knowledge, Purity, Peace, Love, Happiness, Bliss and Powers (8 Powers to live happily and peacefully in the world).We , the souls come into the world , take birth to play the role of our own in this world based on Karmas - Akarma, Vikarma and Sukarma. God as a Supreme Soul, has the same qualities like we souls but He never takes birth and Karma never binds Him.So He remains a Father, Teacher and Sat Guru for the human souls to get back to their original nature which we lose by indulging in vices of Lust, anger, greed, ego and attachment. sadhak_insight <sadhak_insight wrote: dvora EXCELLENT QUESTION. THE ANSWER MAY BE IN GITA LORD KRISHNA SAYS TO ARJUNA " PERFORM YOUR APPROPRIATE KARMA --------------------AND LEAVE THE REST TO ME REGARDS DRV , "Modi, Kay" <kay.modi wrote:>> > Dear Mr. Khandewal,> > If God says,"LEAVE IT UP TO ME"...Then why do we worry sick when our> kids don't do well at school or when they are not responsible for their> lives???> If We (parents) left everything on God, do you think situation will be> taken care of???> > Thanks.> > Trying to have a faith in God...> > > > > ________________________________> > On> Behalf Of Anil Aggarwal> Sunday, May 14, 2006 7:54 PM> > RE: Re: All is God, then Why?> > > > Dear Mr Khandewal,> > Our understanding of God is imperfect. According to our scriptures god> is not a micromanager. The results of actions are according to our> previous karmas and karmas of others interacting with us. Prayer is an> action therefore it influences results. We all have a free will.> Exercise of free will with deluded mind secondary to ignorance results> in wrong actions. Lot of natural events like earthquake are natural, sad> bur neither good or bad. I hope I made some sense of this difficult> topic> > > > > > Devotee> > > > > > Anil Aggarwal > > > > ________________________________> > On> Behalf Of Aravind Khandelwal> Sunday, May 14, 2006 2:09 AM> To: > Re: Re: All is God, then Why?> > > > > True there is only One Almighty but still ppl going on doing harmful> things to others.. evenif He resides in every one of us still we do> things beyond His nature the sole reason for this is the falling trust> in Him, we have been self reliant rather than relying on His will, we> have started to think that we can take care of things and we can do> every thing and what ever we do is correct where as His preaching says> that LEAVE EVERY THING ON ME. Those who dont they do all this things.. > > On Sat, 13 May 2006 RS.MANI wrote :> >Dear ones,> > When it is said All Is God or God is all, and better still, THERE IS> ONLY GOD, it depends on one's knowledge about that God. The Upanishads> unfolds this.> > Warm regards> >> >sadhak_insight sadhak_insight wrote:> > Shree Hari> >> >i read about "thinking and awareness," message from sadhak group.> >it's nice and i feel peace in my heart.> >We are all God ? Am i right ? you are God , I'm God , every one> >in this world is God . All is God.> >But one thing I don't understand is , if we are God, then why there is> >people still doing bad to other people ? this may be a silly question> >but i want to have a clear vision. why people fight with each other,> >kill, rape, and do all that bad thing to other people . why ? does> >that mean they are not God ? if we are God we can stop our self from> >doing such a thing . so , how come we being God, do such thing ? this> >question can make you to think that i'm a crazy girl of may be a> >fool , but im asking this also because of God . i believe that God is> >the one who asking this, just like you say we are God. I'm sorry if i> >hurt you or my msg makes you angry , i just want to know and> >understand about this . im sorry . om .> >> > "Rubhini" rubhini Blab-away for as little as 1¢/min. Make PC-to-Phone Calls using Messenger with Voice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 16, 2006 Report Share Posted May 16, 2006 Mr. Grewal, Yes, you have helped, along with others who addressed myconcern. Thank you very much to you all. I will keep pluging away being a parentand keep having a faith that God is with me and HE will guide me, help me,and take care of me... I am sure, our Karmas are bringing us all together andconnects us thru our believes in God. Peace. KMM. On Behalf Of Grewal, Bhupinder Singh IN BOM SLMonday,May 15, 2006 11:47 PM Subject:RE: Re: All is God, then Why? DearMr. Modi InBhagwad Gita, there is a special mention of Karma. The importance of doing goodKarma stems out of the fact that you will always be judged by your actions.‘Leave everything to me’ does not mean that we should sit tight and do nothingat all. We all have to play our part in this world. Duringthe Mahabharata, Lord Krishna offered the same advise to Arjuna by saying that,‘Do not bother about the enemy as I am with you’. It did not mean that Arjunashould sit idle and Lord Krishna would win the war for him. Kurukshetra was theKarmabhoomi of Arjuna. Similarly,this world is your Karmabhoomi and you have been born in this world for doingyour actions. So, please do not stay away from getting worried about yourchild’s results. This is also your concern. Your concern will install a sense ofdiscipline in him and he will do good in life. This would be your good Karma. Ihope I have been able to address your query and installed some faith in you. PS– Writing this mail is my Karma and if you get some message out of it, it wouldmean that Lord had bestowed upon me the task of reaching out to you. I do notsure about others, but personally I do not know any other member of this group,yet I am benefiting from the thought-process of so many individuals like me, andat the same time I am able to share my understanding of life with others. Regards BhupinderGrewal MedicalSolutions SIEMENSLTD. Tel : +91 2224987397 Fax: +91 22 24987362 It'sin my blood - 'B' positive -----OriginalMessage----- On Behalf Of Modi, KayMonday, May 15, 2006 10:24PMRE: Re: All is God,then Why? Dear Mr.Khandewal, If Godsays,"LEAVE IT UP TO ME"...Then why do we worry sick when our kids don't do wellat school or when they are not responsible for their lives??? If We(parents) left everything on God, do you think situation will be taken careof??? Thanks. Trying tohave a faith in God... On Behalf Of Anil AggarwalSunday, May 14, 2006 7:54PMRE: Re: All is God,then Why? Dear MrKhandewal, Ourunderstanding of God is imperfect. According to our scriptures god is not amicromanager. The results of actions are according to our previous karmas andkarmas of others interacting with us. Prayer is an action therefore itinfluences results. We all have a free will. Exercise of free will withdeluded mind secondary to ignorance results in wrong actions. Lot of natural events like earthquake are natural, sad burneither good or bad. I hope I made some sense of this difficulttopic Devotee AnilAggarwal On Behalf Of Aravind KhandelwalSunday, May 14, 2006 2:09AM Subject: Re: Re: All is God,then Why? True there is only OneAlmighty but still ppl going on doing harmful things to others.. evenif Heresides in every one of us still we do things beyond His nature the sole reasonfor this is the falling trust in Him, we have been self reliant rather thanrelying on His will, we have started to think that we can take care of thingsand we can do every thing and what ever we do is correct where as His preachingsays that LEAVE EVERY THING ON ME. Those who dont they do all this things..On Sat, 13 May 2006 RS.MANI wrote :>Dear ones,> Whenit is said All Is God or God is all, and better still, THERE IS ONLY GOD, itdepends on one's knowledge about that God. The Upanishads unfoldsthis.> Warm regards>>sadhak_insight<sadhak_insight wrote:> ShreeHari>>i read about "thinking and awareness," message from sadhakgroup.>it's nice and i feel peace in my heart.>We are all God ? Ami right ? you are God , I'm God , every one>in this world is God . All is God.>But one thing I don't understand is , if we are God, then whythere is>people still doing bad to other people ? this may be a sillyquestion>but i want to have a clear vision. why people fight with eachother,>kill, rape, and do all that bad thing to other people . why ?does>that mean they are not God ? if we are God we can stop our selffrom>doing such a thing . so , how come we being God, do such thing ?this>question can make you to think that i'm a crazy girl of may bea>fool , but im asking this also because of God . i believe that Godis>the one who asking this, just like you say we are God. I'm sorry ifi>hurt you or my msg makes you angry , i just want to knowand>understand about this . im sorry . om .>> "Rubhini"<rubhini>>>>>>>>>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 25, 2006 Report Share Posted May 25, 2006 All is God is Reality. But Knowledge of the Reality has not yet dawned. Hence practice. Kartik --- sadhak_insight <sadhak_insight wrote: > Shree Hari > > i read about " thinking and awareness, " message from sadhak group. > it's nice and i feel peace in my heart. > We are all God ? Am i right ? you are God , I'm God , every one > in this world is God . All is God. > But one thing I don't understand is , if we are God, then why there > is > people still doing bad to other people ? this may be a silly > question > but i want to have a clear vision. why people fight with each > other, > kill, rape, and do all that bad thing to other people . why ? does > that mean they are not God ? if we are God we can stop our self > from > doing such a thing . so , how come we being God, do such thing ? > this > question can make you to think that i'm a crazy girl of may be a > fool , but im asking this also because of God . i believe that God > is > the one who asking this, just like you say we are God. I'm sorry if > i > hurt you or my msg makes you angry , i just want to know and > understand about this . im sorry . om . > > " Rubhini " <rubhini > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 4, 2006 Report Share Posted June 4, 2006 Yes, Indeed. God is in Good and Bad -- and Beyond Good and Bad. Reading, Understanding and Implementing Bhagavad Geeta and the Upanishads unfolds this vision of the Omnipresent, and provides a way to live with this vision. With Love, Geeta Mandir"R.S.MANI" <r_s_mani wrote: Dear ones, When it is said All Is God or God is all, and better still, THERE IS ONLY GOD, it depends on one's knowledge about that God. The Upanishads unfolds this. Warm regardssadhak_insight <sadhak_insight wrote: Shree Hari i read about "thinking and awareness," message from sadhak group. it's nice and i feel peace in my heart. We are all God ? Am i right ? you are God , I'm God , every onein this world is God . All is God. But one thing I don't understand is , if we are God, then why there is people still doing bad to other people ? this may be a silly question but i want to have a clear vision. why people fight with each other, kill, rape, and do all that bad thing to other people . why ? does that mean they are not God ? if we are God we can stop our self from doing such a thing . so , how come we being God, do such thing ? this question can make you to think that i'm a crazy girl of may be a fool , but im asking this also because of God . i believe that God is the one who asking this, just like you say we are God. I'm sorry if i hurt you or my msg makes you angry , i just want to know and understand about this . im sorry . om ."Rubhini" <rubhini R. S. Mani Mail goes everywhere you do. Get it on your phone. Everyone is raving about the all-new Mail Beta. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 5, 2006 Report Share Posted June 5, 2006 OUR DIVINE DUTY Maharishis are the holy people whose wisdom are boundless and transcend the limitations of normal human intelligence. It is through them, the world came to know of Vedic mantras.Fine and infinitesimal activities are the origin and source for all the good thoughts in a human mind. To generate such activities, sound waves and vibrations are necessary. If it could be made certain that such vibrations are produced continuously in the environment, then the entire human race will be filled with positive and noble thoughts: this in turn producing greater accomplishment, success and mental harmony. What else can be better for this mankind than such a situation? The sound waves of the VEDIC MANTRAS have such an energizing effect that they stimulate noble thoughts in human mind. What is so special about the efficacy of Vedic Mantras are, even without going into the meaning, when recited, the mere sound effect of them is beneficial to all concerned. Besides, these VEDIC MANTRAS have got the highest meaning, significance and connotations. All Vedas enlighten the primary AND ultimate truth that IT IS ONE REALITY THAT MANIFESTS IN DIFFERENT FORMS. The resonance of different expressions of the Vedic mantras invokes related deities and confers on us their bountiful blessings. Therefore it is the duty of everyone to take appropriate actions to preserve such a great treasure and make them eternal. This is your duty which will guarantee excellence and well being in life not only for the Brahmin sect, not only for people belonging to different community of our country but for the entire human race and all the living things in this planet. This is a holy duty ordained by Divinity and hence it becomes your DIVINE DUTY. I have been requesting you not to allow this great Vedas and Vedic treasure to perish in course of time and now I appeal to you to do something tangible to sustain and preserve them for generations to come. Why make a distinction as your duty and my duty? We both are one. So preservation of Vedas is our collective duty; a duty that will confer on us the permanent blessing of the LORD SUPREME “DHARMO RAKSHITHI RAKSHITHAHA†(Dharma protects the protector) Geeta Mandir writes: > Yes, Indeed. God is in Good and Bad -- and Beyond Good and Bad. Reading, Understanding and Implementing Bhagavad Geeta and the Upanishads unfolds this vision of the Omnipresent, and provides a way to live with this vision. > > With Love, > Geeta Mandir > > " R.S.MANI " <r_s_mani wrote: > Dear ones, > When it is said All Is God or God is all, and better still, THERE IS ONLY GOD, it depends on one's knowledge about that God. The Upanishads unfolds this. > Warm regards > > sadhak_insight <sadhak_insight wrote: > Shree Hari > > i read about " thinking and awareness, " message from sadhak group. > it's nice and i feel peace in my heart. > We are all God ? Am i right ? you are God , I'm God , every one > in this world is God . All is God. > But one thing I don't understand is , if we are God, then why there is > people still doing bad to other people ? this may be a silly question > but i want to have a clear vision. why people fight with each other, > kill, rape, and do all that bad thing to other people . why ? does > that mean they are not God ? if we are God we can stop our self from > doing such a thing . so , how come we being God, do such thing ? this > question can make you to think that i'm a crazy girl of may be a > fool , but im asking this also because of God . i believe that God is > the one who asking this, just like you say we are God. I'm sorry if i > hurt you or my msg makes you angry , i just want to know and > understand about this . im sorry . om . > > " Rubhini " <rubhini > > > > R. S. Mani > > > Mail goes everywhere you do. Get it on your phone. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 6, 2006 Report Share Posted June 6, 2006 Rhubhini, People do bad things because they have "forgotten" that they are God. They think they are separate from God (as do all people when we don't remember). The key is to remember and to look upon all things with love. Geeta Mandir <geeta.mandir Sent: Sun, 4 Jun 2006 07:38:39 -0700 (PDT)Re: All is God, then Why? Yes, Indeed. God is in Good and Bad -- and Beyond Good and Bad. Reading, Understanding and Implementing Bhagavad Geeta and the Upanishads unfolds this vision of the Omnipresent, and provides a way to live with this vision. With Love, Geeta Mandir"R.S.MANI" <r_s_mani wrote: Dear ones, When it is said All Is God or God is all, and better still, THERE IS ONLY GOD, it depends on one's knowledge about that God. The Upanishads unfolds this. Warm regardssadhak_insight <sadhak_insight wrote: Shree Hari i read about "thinking and awareness," message from sadhak group. it's nice and i feel peace in my heart. We are all God ? Am i right ? you are God , I'm God , every onein this world is God . All is God. But one thing I don't understand is , if we are God, then why there is people still doing bad to other people ? this may be a silly question but i want to have a clear vision. why people fight with each other, kill, rape, and do all that bad thing to other people . why ? does that mean they are not God ? if we are God we can stop our self from doing such a thing . so , how come we being God, do such thing ? this question can make you to think that i'm a crazy girl of may be a fool , but im asking this also because of God . i believe that God is the one who asking this, just like you say we are God. I'm sorry if i hurt you or my msg makes you angry , i just want to know and understand about this . im sorry . om ."Rubhini" <rubhini R. S. Mani Mail goes everywhere you do. Get it on your phone. Everyone is raving about the all-new Mail Beta. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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