Chup Sadhan (Inner Silence as a Spiritual Discipline)

[Guest guest]

Shree Hari

 

" Nipun Pharlia " <nipun

 

QUESTION:

 

1) Is there detachment, indifference, non-participation in the

discipline of Inner Silence (Chup Sadhan)?

 

2) In this spiritual practice, does one not acknowledge the

existence of God with form and attributes or the love of such God?

 

3) At anytime do we become detached from our actions?

 

4) When at anytime, if we think of absolutely nothing, or are in a

state of having no desires, then too we are aware of our self, our

existence, and this is through our intellect. Isn't this true?

 

5) How can we become detached even from our intellect, and if at

that time we are established in our self, then why are we not

realizing the supreme bliss during that state? Please enlighten me,

and suggest any solutions?

 

In Hindi:

 

· KYA CHUP SADHAN MEIN NIRASTA (UDASEENTA) HAI ?

 

· KYA IS SADAHN MEIN ISHWAR KE SAKAR ROOP ATHWA PREM ROOP KA

ABHAV NAHIN PRATIT HOTA ?

 

· KYA KISI SAMAY, HUM KARNO SE ATEET HOTE HAIN

 

· JAB KISI BHI SAMAY HUM KUCH BHI NAHIN SOCHTEY YA ICHHA NAHIN

RAKHTEY HAIN , TAB BHI TO APNEPAN KA HONE KA BHAN BHUDDHI SE HI TO

HOTA HAI.KYA YEH SAHI HAI?

 

· KRIPYA BATAYEIN IS BUDDHI SE BHI KAISE ATEET HUA JAYE. AUR

AGAR US SAMAY HUM SWAYAM MEIN STITH HAIN TO PARAMANAND KI PRAPTI

KYON NAHIN HOTI.

[Guest guest]

ram ram

 

answers...

1st..chup saadhan me nisaarta to hai..par kewal

shuruaat me ...n when u get the uttimate, then no

nirasta or udaseenta....agra us vaqt , when u get the

ultimate truth, agar nirasta rehti hai ,then iska

matlab u hv nt got the ultimate....

 

2nd....sadhan chahe koi bhi ho....kisi bhi cheez ka

abhav lagega to wo shuru me lagega....

bhakti marg me shru me ghyan ka abhav lagega n gyan

marg me shuru me bhakti ka abhav lagega...

bt when u got ultimate....chahe kisi bhi sadhan se wo

aapko mile....then aapko abhav prateet nahi ho

sakta.....ek baar us ultimate god ko pa lene k baad

kuch bhi abhav nahi reh sakta....

 

3rd...karano se atit hum kewal usi moment me ho sakte

hai, jitni der tak hum us ultimate se jude rehte

hai...uske choot-te hi hum karano se automatically jud

jaate hai....

 

4th..haan, ye sahi hai..its true ki us vaqt hum koi

iccha nahi rakhte...kisi cheez ki desire nahi

hoti....par phir bhi us vaqt buddhi k dwara hum-me ek

mai k hone ka bhaan to rehta hi hai...par jis moment

wo mai ka bhav bhi chala jata hai ki meri koi

existence bhi hai....tht is actually the moment jab

hum-me mai hone ka bhav reh hi nahi sakta....

 

5th..buddhi se ateet kewal us parmanad ko paane ki

tee-vr abhilasha , n then uske liye sahi prayaas n

then atlast prarthnaa....isi tarah buddhi se ateet hua

ja sakta hai....

well agar hum us waqt swayam me stith ho gaye hai then

parmanand ki prapti to ho gayi....agar nahi hui,iska

matlab hai ki abhi hum swayam me stith nahi hui

hai....

 

 

 

 

> · KYA CHUP SADHAN MEIN NIRASTA (UDASEENTA) HAI

> ?

>

> · KYA IS SADAHN MEIN ISHWAR KE SAKAR ROOP ATHWA

> PREM ROOP KA

> ABHAV NAHIN PRATIT HOTA ?

>

> · KYA KISI SAMAY, HUM KARNO SE ATEET HOTE HAIN

>

> · JAB KISI BHI SAMAY HUM KUCH BHI NAHIN SOCHTEY

> YA ICHHA NAHIN

> RAKHTEY HAIN , TAB BHI TO APNEPAN KA HONE KA BHAN

> BHUDDHI SE HI TO

> HOTA HAI.KYA YEH SAHI HAI?

>

> · KRIPYA BATAYEIN IS BUDDHI SE BHI KAISE ATEET

> HUA JAYE. AUR

> AGAR US SAMAY HUM SWAYAM MEIN STITH HAIN TO

> PARAMANAND KI PRAPTI

> KYON NAHIN HOTI.

>

 

[Guest guest]

Manjula ji, chup saadhna How to do? Where to do in or aroung Mumbai? Where it is referred to in Shrimad bhagwad gita? Thanks Vimalmanjula goel <mailtominki wrote: ram ramanswers...1st..chup saadhan me nisaarta to hai..par kewalshuruaat me ...n when u get the uttimate, then nonirasta or udaseenta....agra us vaqt , when u get theultimate truth, agar nirasta rehti hai ,then iskamatlab u hv nt got the ultimate....2nd....sadhan chahe koi bhi ho....kisi bhi cheez kaabhav lagega to wo shuru me lagega....bhakti marg me shru me ghyan ka abhav lagega n gyanmarg me shuru me bhakti ka abhav lagega...bt when u got ultimate....chahe kisi bhi sadhan se woaapko mile....then aapko abhav prateet nahi

hosakta.....ek baar us ultimate god ko pa lene k baadkuch bhi abhav nahi reh sakta....3rd...karano se atit hum kewal usi moment me ho saktehai, jitni der tak hum us ultimate se jude rehtehai...uske choot-te hi hum karano se automatically judjaate hai....4th..haan, ye sahi hai..its true ki us vaqt hum koiiccha nahi rakhte...kisi cheez ki desire nahihoti....par phir bhi us vaqt buddhi k dwara hum-me ekmai k hone ka bhaan to rehta hi hai...par jis momentwo mai ka bhav bhi chala jata hai ki meri koiexistence bhi hai....tht is actually the moment jabhum-me mai hone ka bhav reh hi nahi sakta....5th..buddhi se ateet kewal us parmanad ko paane kitee-vr abhilasha , n then uske liye sahi prayaas nthen atlast prarthnaa....isi tarah buddhi se ateet huaja sakta hai....well agar hum us waqt swayam me stith ho gaye hai thenparmanand ki prapti to ho gayi....agar nahi hui,iskamatlab hai ki abhi hum

swayam me stith nahi huihai....> · KYA CHUP SADHAN MEIN NIRASTA (UDASEENTA) HAI > ?> > · KYA IS SADAHN MEIN ISHWAR KE SAKAR ROOP ATHWA> PREM ROOP KA> ABHAV NAHIN PRATIT HOTA ?> > · KYA KISI SAMAY, HUM KARNO SE ATEET HOTE HAIN> > · JAB KISI BHI SAMAY HUM KUCH BHI NAHIN SOCHTEY> YA ICHHA NAHIN> RAKHTEY HAIN , TAB BHI TO APNEPAN KA HONE KA BHAN> BHUDDHI SE HI TO> HOTA HAI.KYA YEH SAHI HAI?> > · KRIPYA BATAYEIN IS BUDDHI SE BHI KAISE ATEET> HUA JAYE. AUR> AGAR US SAMAY HUM SWAYAM MEIN STITH HAIN TO> PARAMANAND KI PRAPTI> KYON NAHIN HOTI.> > > > > > > >

[Guest guest]

Sir, In Bhagavad Gita, it is mentioned in Vibhuti-Yoga that : " .... yajnAnAm japa- yajnOsmi ..." Japa is the yajna ( saadhana ) that has to be practised, with no sound coming out, but the mouth is chanting, only audible to the chanter and the in-dweller - ParamAtma, as Bhagavan said in Gita " Iswarah sarva bhUtAnAm hriddeserjuna tishthati .." and japa can be done in Bombay, New York, in a forest, wherever, as long as the mind is withdrawn from the senses and sense-objects. Thanks, Venkat Kanumalla ( of Sri Ranganatha Temple, Pomona, New York )vimal modi <modivg1 wrote: Manjula ji, chup saadhna How to do? Where to do in or aroung Mumbai? Where it is referred to in Shrimad bhagwad gita? Thanks Vimalmanjula goel <mailtominki wrote: ram ramanswers...1st..chup saadhan me nisaarta to hai..par kewalshuruaat me ...n when u get the uttimate, then nonirasta or udaseenta....agra us vaqt , when u get theultimate truth, agar nirasta rehti hai ,then iskamatlab u hv nt got the ultimate....2nd....sadhan chahe koi bhi ho....kisi bhi cheez kaabhav lagega to wo shuru me lagega....bhakti marg me shru me ghyan ka abhav lagega n gyanmarg me shuru me bhakti ka abhav lagega...bt when u got ultimate....chahe kisi bhi sadhan se woaapko mile....then aapko abhav prateet nahi hosakta.....ek baar us ultimate god ko pa lene k baadkuch bhi abhav nahi reh sakta....3rd...karano se atit hum kewal usi moment me ho saktehai, jitni der tak hum us ultimate

se jude rehtehai...uske choot-te hi hum karano se automatically judjaate hai....4th..haan, ye sahi hai..its true ki us vaqt hum koiiccha nahi rakhte...kisi cheez ki desire nahihoti....par phir bhi us vaqt buddhi k dwara hum-me ekmai k hone ka bhaan to rehta hi hai...par jis momentwo mai ka bhav bhi chala jata hai ki meri koiexistence bhi hai....tht is actually the moment jabhum-me mai hone ka bhav reh hi nahi sakta....5th..buddhi se ateet kewal us parmanad ko paane kitee-vr abhilasha , n then uske liye sahi prayaas nthen atlast prarthnaa....isi tarah buddhi se ateet huaja sakta hai....well agar hum us waqt swayam me stith ho gaye hai thenparmanand ki prapti to ho gayi....agar nahi hui,iskamatlab hai ki abhi hum swayam me stith nahi huihai....> · KYA CHUP SADHAN MEIN NIRASTA (UDASEENTA) HAI > ?> > · KYA IS SADAHN MEIN ISHWAR KE SAKAR ROOP ATHWA>

PREM ROOP KA> ABHAV NAHIN PRATIT HOTA ?> > · KYA KISI SAMAY, HUM KARNO SE ATEET HOTE HAIN> > · JAB KISI BHI SAMAY HUM KUCH BHI NAHIN SOCHTEY> YA ICHHA NAHIN> RAKHTEY HAIN , TAB BHI TO APNEPAN KA HONE KA BHAN> BHUDDHI SE HI TO> HOTA HAI.KYA YEH SAHI HAI?> > · KRIPYA BATAYEIN IS BUDDHI SE BHI KAISE ATEET> HUA JAYE. AUR> AGAR US SAMAY HUM SWAYAM MEIN STITH HAIN TO> PARAMANAND KI PRAPTI> KYON NAHIN HOTI.> > > > > > > >

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Loving All,

Pranam.

'Yajnaanam japa...' true. It is also true what Venkatbaba explained about no sound coming out - only audible to the chanter and it is also true about no restriction of any place, however these are all still physical aspects - yajna, chanting/sound, location...

 

If we look at it from a different angle like looking WITHIN as explained by my Baba (Gitaji chapter 4 - sloka 29/30, 'apaane juhvati praanam...'), this body is like a dry wood put under a fire of continuous yajna (because of this fire our body remains warm and illumined WITHIN. 10:12/13 - in aajnaa chakra this jyoti/agni resides. we also have this fire residing in manipur chakra as vaishvanar agni. Actually each chakra has its own fire in our body!) . The constant oblations offered to this yajna (at aajnaa chakra / Soul center) through our breath - inhalation and exhalation, which is burning this body continuously. Our inhalation-exhalation has its own mantra called 'ajapaa jap' - a rhythm with a constant sound (as explained in other scripture this sound is known as 'soham - bij letters from our aajna chakra 'ham' & 'ksham' - hamsa - soham). So when we get too deep into observing our own breath offered to our soul is a true oblation - 'aahuti' to our silence/chup saadhanaa. There is also a constant sound pervading through out the universe (explained in other scriptures - upnishad - naad brahm) called 'aum' (a mantra constantly going on without anybody's chanting) so when we merge into this sound (which can be heard after sincere yoga-meditation practices or becoming extremely silent from deep inside), the true saadhanaa in silence begins. So constantly watching our own breath in complete awareness of its rhythm can help attain the true silence sadhaanaa. At this state one is not attached to anything whatsoever (as one is deep into listening to this sound or observing the jyoti, one looses their body consciousness or the senses of external world so no attachment at all...!

 

 

Hope this helps...

 

Always at Thy Lotus Feet from where the deep silence flows

On 7/13/06, venkat kanumalla <sridhardikshit wrote:

 

 

 

Sir,

In Bhagavad Gita, it is mentioned in Vibhuti-Yoga that :

" .... yajnAnAm japa- yajnOsmi ... "

Japa is the yajna ( saadhana ) that has to be practised, with no sound coming out, but the mouth is chanting, only audible to the chanter and the in-dweller - ParamAtma, as Bhagavan said in Gita " Iswarah sarva bhUtAnAm hriddeserjuna tishthati .. " and japa can be done in Bombay, New York, in a forest, wherever, as long as the mind is withdrawn from the senses and sense-objects.

 

Thanks,

Venkat Kanumalla

( of Sri Ranganatha Temple, Pomona, New York )

vimal modi <modivg1

> wrote:

 

 

 

Manjula ji,

 

chup saadhna How to do?

Where to do in or aroung Mumbai?

Where it is referred to in Shrimad bhagwad gita?

Thanks

Vimalmanjula goel <mailtominki

wrote:

ram ramanswers...1st..chup saadhan me nisaarta to hai..par kewalshuruaat me ...n when u get the uttimate, then no

nirasta or udaseenta....agra us vaqt , when u get theultimate truth, agar nirasta rehti hai ,then iskamatlab u hv nt got the ultimate....2nd....sadhan chahe koi bhi ho....kisi bhi cheez kaabhav lagega to wo shuru me lagega....

bhakti marg me shru me ghyan ka abhav lagega n gyanmarg me shuru me bhakti ka abhav lagega...bt when u got ultimate....chahe kisi bhi sadhan se woaapko mile....then aapko abhav prateet nahi hosakta.....ek baar us ultimate god ko pa lene k baad

kuch bhi abhav nahi reh sakta....3rd...karano se atit hum kewal usi moment me ho saktehai, jitni der tak hum us ultimate se jude rehtehai...uske choot-te hi hum karano se automatically judjaate hai....

4th..haan, ye sahi hai..its true ki us vaqt hum koiiccha nahi rakhte...kisi cheez ki desire nahihoti....par phir bhi us vaqt buddhi k dwara hum-me ekmai k hone ka bhaan to rehta hi hai...par jis moment

wo mai ka bhav bhi chala jata hai ki meri koiexistence bhi hai....tht is actually the moment jabhum-me mai hone ka bhav reh hi nahi sakta....5th..buddhi se ateet kewal us parmanad ko paane kitee-vr abhilasha , n then uske liye sahi prayaas n

then atlast prarthnaa....isi tarah buddhi se ateet huaja sakta hai....well agar hum us waqt swayam me stith ho gaye hai thenparmanand ki prapti to ho gayi....agar nahi hui,iskamatlab hai ki abhi hum swayam me stith nahi hui

hai....> · KYA CHUP SADHAN MEIN NIRASTA (UDASEENTA) HAI > ?> > · KYA IS SADAHN MEIN ISHWAR KE SAKAR ROOP ATHWA> PREM ROOP KA> ABHAV NAHIN PRATIT HOTA ?> > · KYA KISI SAMAY, HUM KARNO SE ATEET HOTE HAIN> > · JAB KISI BHI SAMAY HUM KUCH BHI NAHIN SOCHTEY> YA ICHHA NAHIN> RAKHTEY HAIN , TAB BHI TO APNEPAN KA HONE KA BHAN> BHUDDHI SE HI TO

> HOTA HAI.KYA YEH SAHI HAI?> > · KRIPYA BATAYEIN IS BUDDHI SE BHI KAISE ATEET> HUA JAYE. AUR> AGAR US SAMAY HUM SWAYAM MEIN STITH HAIN TO> PARAMANAND KI PRAPTI> KYON NAHIN HOTI.

> > > > > > > >

[Guest guest]

My thought; In the 'Bhagavat' it is said 'yajna sankirtana prayair yajanti hi sumedhasa' (11.5.32),: those who have sufficient intelligence in Kali yuga will worship the Lord by the performance of Nam-Sankirtan or the loud chanting of the holy names in congregation. As well, Haridas Thakur says that the loud chanting benefits not just the chanter but all living being that hear that chanting, even trees , birds and insects. bv avadhootManjula Patel <manjumaa wrote: Loving All, Pranam. 'Yajnaanam japa...' true. It is also true what Venkatbaba explained about no sound coming out - only audible to the chanter and it is also true about no restriction of any place, however these are all still physical aspects - yajna, chanting/sound, location... If we look at it from a different angle like looking WITHIN as explained by my Baba (Gitaji chapter 4 - sloka 29/30, 'apaane juhvati praanam...'), this body is like a dry wood put under a fire of continuous yajna (because of this fire our body remains warm and illumined WITHIN. 10:12/13 - in aajnaa chakra this jyoti/agni resides. we also have this fire residing in manipur chakra as vaishvanar agni. Actually each chakra has its own fire in our body!) . The constant oblations offered to this yajna (at aajnaa chakra / Soul

center) through our breath - inhalation and exhalation, which is burning this body continuously. Our inhalation-exhalation has its own mantra called 'ajapaa jap' - a rhythm with a constant sound (as explained in other scripture this sound is known as 'soham - bij letters from our aajna chakra 'ham' & 'ksham' - hamsa - soham). So when we get too deep into observing our own breath offered to our soul is a true oblation - 'aahuti' to our silence/chup saadhanaa. There is also a constant sound pervading through out the universe (explained in other scriptures - upnishad - naad brahm) called 'aum' (a mantra constantly going on without anybody's chanting) so when we merge into this sound (which can be heard after sincere yoga-meditation practices or becoming extremely silent from deep inside), the true saadhanaa in silence begins. So constantly watching our own breath in complete awareness of its rhythm can help attain the true silence

sadhaanaa. At this state one is not attached to anything whatsoever (as one is deep into listening to this sound or observing the jyoti, one looses their body consciousness or the senses of external world so no attachment at all...! Hope this helps... Always at Thy Lotus Feet from where the deep silence flows On 7/13/06, venkat kanumalla <sridhardikshit wrote: Sir, In Bhagavad Gita, it is mentioned in Vibhuti-Yoga that : " .... yajnAnAm japa- yajnOsmi ..." Japa is the yajna ( saadhana ) that has to be practised, with no sound coming out, but the mouth is chanting, only audible to the chanter and the in-dweller - ParamAtma, as Bhagavan

said in Gita " Iswarah sarva bhUtAnAm hriddeserjuna tishthati .." and japa can be done in Bombay, New York, in a forest, wherever, as long as the mind is withdrawn from the senses and sense-objects. Thanks, Venkat Kanumalla ( of Sri Ranganatha Temple, Pomona, New York ) vimal modi <modivg1 > wrote: Manjula ji, chup saadhna How to do? Where to do in or aroung Mumbai? Where it is referred to in Shrimad bhagwad gita? Thanks Vimalmanjula goel <mailtominki wrote: ram ramanswers...1st..chup saadhan me nisaarta to hai..par kewalshuruaat me ...n when u get the uttimate, then nonirasta or udaseenta....agra us vaqt , when u get theultimate truth, agar nirasta rehti hai ,then iskamatlab u hv nt got the ultimate....2nd....sadhan chahe koi bhi ho....kisi bhi cheez kaabhav lagega to wo shuru me lagega.... bhakti marg me shru me ghyan ka abhav lagega n gyanmarg me shuru me bhakti ka abhav lagega...bt when u got ultimate....chahe kisi bhi sadhan se woaapko mile....then aapko abhav prateet nahi hosakta.....ek baar us ultimate god ko pa lene k baad kuch bhi abhav nahi reh sakta....3rd...karano se atit hum kewal usi moment me ho saktehai, jitni der tak hum us ultimate se jude rehtehai...uske choot-te hi hum karano se automatically judjaate hai....

4th..haan, ye sahi hai..its true ki us vaqt hum koiiccha nahi rakhte...kisi cheez ki desire nahihoti....par phir bhi us vaqt buddhi k dwara hum-me ekmai k hone ka bhaan to rehta hi hai...par jis moment wo mai ka bhav bhi chala jata hai ki meri koiexistence bhi hai....tht is actually the moment jabhum-me mai hone ka bhav reh hi nahi sakta....5th..buddhi se ateet kewal us parmanad ko paane kitee-vr abhilasha , n then uske liye sahi prayaas n then atlast prarthnaa....isi tarah buddhi se ateet huaja sakta hai....well agar hum us waqt swayam me stith ho gaye hai thenparmanand ki prapti to ho gayi....agar nahi hui,iskamatlab hai ki abhi hum swayam me stith nahi hui hai....> · KYA CHUP SADHAN MEIN NIRASTA (UDASEENTA) HAI > ?> > · KYA IS SADAHN MEIN ISHWAR KE SAKAR ROOP ATHWA> PREM ROOP KA> ABHAV NAHIN PRATIT HOTA ?> > · KYA KISI SAMAY, HUM

KARNO SE ATEET HOTE HAIN> > · JAB KISI BHI SAMAY HUM KUCH BHI NAHIN SOCHTEY> YA ICHHA NAHIN> RAKHTEY HAIN , TAB BHI TO APNEPAN KA HONE KA BHAN> BHUDDHI SE HI TO > HOTA HAI.KYA YEH SAHI HAI?> > · KRIPYA BATAYEIN IS BUDDHI SE BHI KAISE ATEET> HUA JAYE. AUR> AGAR US SAMAY HUM SWAYAM MEIN STITH HAIN TO> PARAMANAND KI PRAPTI> KYON NAHIN HOTI. > > > > > > > >

[Guest guest]

Manjula Patel <manjumaa

Jul 18, 2006 12:17 AM

 

Loving Divine, Pranam.

 

Thank you for the encouraging words, it is all my Babaji's grace.

I have no personal interest except let life of many be transformed

reading and implementing Gitaji.

 

My Thakurji (Paramhamsa Prajnanananda Giri) suggests reading Gitaji

every day. He says read one sloka few times a day, contemplate on

it the entire day, eventually the inner meaning of Gitaji will start

inspiring that is different than the usual interpretations. He also

suggests not to merely read Gitaji but honestly try to implement it

in our daily life. Whenever Mahatma Gandhiji ran into any trouble -

household related or nationwide, he referenced Gitaji to seek

solution and he said that he always found an answer from Gitaji!

 

In modern busy life we don't have much time to sit and pray or

meditate so Babaji also recommends watching breath, yes, every one

of our inhalation and exhalation (4:29/30). To watch breath, you

don't need to set aside any time, it can be done all the time, any

and every where, in any circumstances!!! If you are chanting any

Guru given mantra, please coordinate it with your breath. If you

are reading, read it being aware of your breath. If you are

performing any activity whatsoever, coordinate them with your

breath, be always aware of your breath and the actions performed and

you will find new strength and inspiration within. Without breath

there is no you and me! Sooooo simple yet so difficult, don't know

why? :-) Believe me, it is fun!!! :-)

 

My Babaji is says - have complete faith and total surrender (18:66)

in God and Guru(s) (Chapter 4 talks about offering different

sacrifies, they are nothing but techniques to surrender - read and

digest 4:24) and practice/implement (Lord also talks about

controlling mind through 'abhyaasa' - one of many ways) what they

have been suggesting (please read past few archived emails from this

year to understand some of the good discussions this group had). To

communicate this simple fact to Arjuna, Bhagwanji had to create

Gitaji and Swamiji Maharaj (Swami Ramsukhdasji) and Prajnananadaji

Maharaj (and other Param Shraddey Saints and Sages of ancient and

modern times) have been interpreting it in a simple language for

different mindsets to grasp it! To some 'intellectuals', if the

explanations provided in this talk group is not too convincing,

please read Gitaji by Paramhamsa Yoganandaji called 'God Talks With

Arjuna - The Bhagavad Gita - Royal Science of God-Realization'.

 

I find Swamiji Maharajaji's explanation very simple and heart

touching. I thank Him and the initiator of the Sadhak group for

sharing His divine thoughts. I know they have touched my life. I

offer my humble pranams and gratitude at His Lotus Feet.

 

Humble pranams to all for their participation. Let the Divinity in

Gitaji guide our way of living...

 

Always at Thy Holy Feet from where the true knowledge and life

transformation springs

 

On 7/14/06, Shant * < vanishingfire wrote:

Dear Manjula,

 

I have been reading few of your writings in last weeks.

You are very convincing and substantial while sharing your thoughts.

You have lots of ideas to help the beginners like me to arouse

interest in the ultimate truth. I thank you for your selfless

efforts.

 

In the mean time, what literatures do you suggest me, a beginner, to

read and advice to practice in daily life? Who is this great Baba

that you refer in your descriptions? Please drop me few words if you

think it worthy.

 

Pranam!

 

Shant

 

, avadhuta maharaja

<avadhutamaharaja wrote:

>

> My thought;

>

> In the 'Bhagavat' it is said 'yajna sankirtana prayair yajanti

hi sumedhasa' (11.5.32),: those who have sufficient intelligence in

Kali yuga will worship the Lord by the performance of Nam-Sankirtan

or the loud chanting of the holy names in congregation.

>

> As well, Haridas Thakur says that the loud chanting benefits not

just the chanter but all living being that hear that chanting, even

trees , birds and insects.

>

> bv avadhoot

>

> Manjula Patel <manjumaa wrote:

> Loving All,

> Pranam.

> 'Yajnaanam japa...' true. It is also true what Venkatbaba

explained about no sound coming out - only audible to the chanter

and it is also true about no restriction of any place, however these

are all still physical aspects - yajna, chanting/sound, location...

>

> If we look at it from a different angle like looking WITHIN as

explained by my Baba (Gitaji chapter 4 - sloka 29/30, 'apaane

juhvati praanam...'), this body is like a dry wood put under a fire

of continuous yajna (because of this fire our body remains warm and

illumined WITHIN. 10:12/13 - in aajnaa chakra this jyoti/agni

resides. we also have this fire residing in manipur chakra as

vaishvanar agni. Actually each chakra has its own fire in our

body!) . The constant oblations offered to this yajna (at aajnaa

chakra / Soul center) through our breath - inhalation and

exhalation, which is burning this body continuously. Our inhalation-

exhalation has its own mantra called 'ajapaa jap' - a rhythm with a

constant sound (as explained in other scripture this sound is known

as 'soham - bij letters from our aajna chakra 'ham' & 'ksham' -

hamsa - soham). So when we get too deep into observing our own

breath offered to our soul is a true oblation - 'aahuti' to our

silence/chup

> saadhanaa. There is also a constant sound pervading through out

the universe (explained in other scriptures - upnishad - naad brahm)

called 'aum' (a mantra constantly going on without anybody's

chanting) so when we merge into this sound (which can be heard after

sincere yoga-meditation practices or becoming extremely silent from

deep inside), the true saadhanaa in silence begins. So constantly

watching our own breath in complete awareness of its rhythm can help

attain the true silence sadhaanaa. At this state one is not

attached to anything whatsoever (as one is deep into listening to

this sound or observing the jyoti, one looses their body

consciousness or the senses of external world so no attachment at

all...!

>

> Hope this helps...

>

> Always at Thy Lotus Feet from where the deep silence flows

>

>

> On 7/13/06, venkat kanumalla <sridhardikshit wrote:

Sir,

> In Bhagavad Gita, it is mentioned in Vibhuti-Yoga that :

> " .... yajnAnAm japa- yajnOsmi ... "

> Japa is the yajna ( saadhana ) that has to be practised, with no

sound coming out, but the mouth is chanting, only audible to the

chanter and the in-dweller - ParamAtma, as Bhagavan said in Gita "

Iswarah sarva bhUtAnAm hriddeserjuna tishthati .. " and japa can be

done in Bombay, New York, in a forest, wherever, as long as the mind

is withdrawn from the senses and sense-objects.

> Thanks,

> Venkat Kanumalla

> ( of Sri Ranganatha Temple, Pomona, New York )

>

>

> vimal modi <modivg1 > wrote:

>

>

> Manjula ji,

>

> chup saadhna How to do?

> Where to do in or aroung Mumbai?

> Where it is referred to in Shrimad bhagwad gita?

> Thanks

> Vimal

>

> manjula goel <mailtominki wrote:

> ram ram

>

> answers...

> 1st..chup saadhan me nisaarta to hai..par kewal

> shuruaat me ...n when u get the uttimate, then no

> nirasta or udaseenta....agra us vaqt , when u get the

> ultimate truth, agar nirasta rehti hai ,then iska

> matlab u hv nt got the ultimate....

>

> 2nd....sadhan chahe koi bhi ho....kisi bhi cheez ka

> abhav lagega to wo shuru me lagega....

> bhakti marg me shru me ghyan ka abhav lagega n gyan

> marg me shuru me bhakti ka abhav lagega...

> bt when u got ultimate....chahe kisi bhi sadhan se wo

> aapko mile....then aapko abhav prateet nahi ho

> sakta.....ek baar us ultimate god ko pa lene k baad

> kuch bhi abhav nahi reh sakta....

>

> 3rd...karano se atit hum kewal usi moment me ho sakte

> hai, jitni der tak hum us ultimate se jude rehte

> hai...uske choot-te hi hum karano se automatically jud

> jaate hai....

>

> 4th..haan, ye sahi hai..its true ki us vaqt hum koi

> iccha nahi rakhte...kisi cheez ki desire nahi

> hoti....par phir bhi us vaqt buddhi k dwara hum-me ek

> mai k hone ka bhaan to rehta hi hai...par jis moment

> wo mai ka bhav bhi chala jata hai ki meri koi

> existence bhi hai....tht is actually the moment jab

> hum-me mai hone ka bhav reh hi nahi sakta....

>

> 5th..buddhi se ateet kewal us parmanad ko paane ki

> tee-vr abhilasha , n then uske liye sahi prayaas n

> then atlast prarthnaa....isi tarah buddhi se ateet hua

> ja sakta hai....

> well agar hum us waqt swayam me stith ho gaye hai then

> parmanand ki prapti to ho gayi....agar nahi hui,iska

> matlab hai ki abhi hum swayam me stith nahi hui

> hai....

>

>

>

>

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> > ?

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> > PREM ROOP KA

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> >

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> >

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> > YA ICHHA NAHIN

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> > BHUDDHI SE HI TO

> > HOTA HAI.KYA YEH SAHI HAI?

> >

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> > HUA JAYE. AUR

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[Guest guest]

B K <bkgswu

 

Silence is true remembrance. In silence I can remember who I am. When

my mind is filled with the noise of demands, roles, or

responsibilities I am far away from my true self, the quiet being

inside this human body. I am a peaceful being of silence. Today let me

take a moment of deep silence to remember who I am.

[Guest guest]

HOW DO WE ENHANCE CONCENTRATION IN DOING THIS KIND OF SAADHANA. THANKS.

MINI KAUL

 

 

venkat kanumalla <sridhardikshit To: Subject: Re: Chup Sadhan (Inner Silence as a Spiritual Discipline)Thu, 13 Jul 2006 11:04:31 -0700 (PDT)

Sir,

In Bhagavad Gita, it is mentioned in Vibhuti-Yoga that :

" .... yajnAnAm japa- yajnOsmi ..."

Japa is the yajna ( saadhana ) that has to be practised, with no sound coming out, but the mouth is chanting, only audible to the chanter and the in-dweller - ParamAtma, as Bhagavan said in Gita " Iswarah sarva bhUtAnAm hriddeserjuna tishthati .." and japa can be done in Bombay, New York, in a forest, wherever, as long as the mind is withdrawn from the senses and sense-objects.

Thanks,

Venkat Kanumalla

( of Sri Ranganatha Temple, Pomona, New York )vimal modi <modivg1 wrote:

 

Manjula ji,

?

chup saadhna How to do?

Where to do in or aroung Mumbai?

Where it is referred to in Shrimad bhagwad gita?

Thanks

Vimalmanjula goel <mailtominki wrote:

ram ramanswers...1st..chup saadhan me nisaarta to hai..par kewalshuruaat me ...n when u get the uttimate, then nonirasta or udaseenta....agra us vaqt , when u get theultimate truth, agar nirasta rehti hai ,then iskamatlab u hv nt got the ultimate....2nd....sadhan chahe koi bhi ho....kisi bhi cheez kaabhav lagega to wo shuru me lagega....bhakti marg me shru me ghyan ka abhav lagega n gyanmarg me shuru me bhakti ka abhav lagega...bt when u got ultimate....chahe kisi bhi sadhan se woaapko mile....then aapko abhav prateet nahi hosakta.....ek baar us ultimate god ko pa lene k baadkuch bhi abhav nahi reh sakta....3rd...karano se atit hum kewal usi moment me ho saktehai, jitni der tak hum us ultimate se jude rehtehai...uske choot-te hi hum karano se automatically judjaate hai....4th..haan, ye sahi hai..its true ki us vaqt hum koiiccha nahi rakhte...kisi cheez ki desire nahihoti....par phir bhi us vaqt buddhi k dwara hum-me ekmai k hone ka bhaan to rehta hi hai...par jis momentwo mai ka bhav bhi chala jata hai ki meri koiexistence bhi hai....tht is actually the moment jabhum-me mai hone ka bhav reh hi nahi sakta....5th..buddhi se ateet kewal us parmanad ko paane kitee-vr abhilasha , n then uske liye sahi prayaas nthen atlast prarthnaa....isi tarah buddhi se ateet huaja sakta hai....well agar hum us waqt swayam me stith ho gaye hai thenparmanand ki prapti to ho gayi....agar nahi hui,iskamatlab hai ki abhi hum swayam me stith nahi huihai....> KYA CHUP SADHAN MEIN NIRASTA (UDASEENTA) HAI > ?> > KYA IS SADAHN MEIN ISHWAR KE SAKAR ROOP ATHWA> PREM ROOP KA> ABHAV NAHIN PRATIT HOTA ?> > KYA KISI SAMAY, HUM KARNO SE ATEET HOTE HAIN> > JAB KISI BHI SAMAY HUM KUCH BHI NAHIN SOCHTEY> YA ICHHA NAHIN> RAKHTEY HAIN , TAB BHI TO APNEPAN KA HONE KA BHAN> BHUDDHI SE HI TO> HOTA HAI.KYA YEH SAHI HAI?> > KRIPYA BATAYEIN IS BUDDHI SE BHI KAISE ATEET> HUA JAYE. AUR> AGAR US SAMAY HUM SWAYAM MEIN STITH HAIN TO> PARAMANAND KI PRAPTI> KYON NAHIN HOTI.> > > > > > > >

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Devotees;Japa in the Kali yuga is best done orally with the tongue , lips and ears all engaged in service to the holy name. Do to the ravages of time our mind is very difficult to control. We cannot concentrate on japa , at least in the beginning, therefore, it is more practical to hear the sound vibration of the holy names with our ears. If this is done purely then we will desire to have thousands of tongues and thousands of ears to relish the sound of God's name.bv avadhoot maharajmini kaul <minikaul wrote: HOW DO WE ENHANCE CONCENTRATION IN DOING THIS KIND OF SAADHANA. THANKS. MINI KAUL venkat kanumalla <sridhardikshit > To: Subject: Re: Chup Sadhan (Inner Silence as a Spiritual Discipline)Thu, 13 Jul 2006 11:04:31 -0700 (PDT) Sir, In Bhagavad Gita, it is mentioned in Vibhuti-Yoga that : " .... yajnAnAm

japa- yajnOsmi ..." Japa is the yajna ( saadhana ) that has to be practised, with no sound coming out, but the mouth is chanting, only audible to the chanter and the in-dweller - ParamAtma, as Bhagavan said in Gita " Iswarah sarva bhUtAnAm hriddeserjuna tishthati .." and japa can be done in Bombay, New York, in a forest, wherever, as long as the mind is withdrawn from the senses and sense-objects. Thanks, Venkat Kanumalla ( of Sri Ranganatha Temple, Pomona, New York )vimal modi <modivg1 > wrote: Manjula ji, ? chup saadhna How to do? Where to do in or aroung Mumbai? Where it is referred to in Shrimad bhagwad gita? Thanks Vimalmanjula goel <mailtominki > wrote: ram ramanswers...1st..chup saadhan me nisaarta to hai..par kewalshuruaat me ...n when

u get the uttimate, then nonirasta or udaseenta....agra us vaqt , when u get theultimate truth, agar nirasta rehti hai ,then iskamatlab u hv nt got the ultimate....2nd....sadhan chahe koi bhi ho....kisi bhi cheez kaabhav lagega to wo shuru me lagega....bhakti marg me shru me ghyan ka abhav lagega n gyanmarg me shuru me bhakti ka abhav lagega...bt when u got ultimate....chahe kisi bhi sadhan se woaapko mile....then aapko abhav prateet nahi hosakta.....ek baar us ultimate god ko pa lene k baadkuch bhi abhav nahi reh sakta....3rd...karano se atit hum kewal usi moment me ho saktehai, jitni der tak hum us ultimate se jude rehtehai...uske choot-te hi hum karano se automatically judjaate hai....4th..haan, ye sahi hai..its true ki us vaqt hum koiiccha nahi rakhte...kisi cheez ki desire nahihoti....par phir bhi us vaqt buddhi k dwara hum-me ekmai k hone ka bhaan to rehta hi hai...par

jis momentwo mai ka bhav bhi chala jata hai ki meri koiexistence bhi hai....tht is actually the moment jabhum-me mai hone ka bhav reh hi nahi sakta....5th..buddhi se ateet kewal us parmanad ko paane kitee-vr abhilasha , n then uske liye sahi prayaas nthen atlast prarthnaa....isi tarah buddhi se ateet huaja sakta hai....well agar hum us waqt swayam me stith ho gaye hai thenparmanand ki prapti to ho gayi....agar nahi hui,iskamatlab hai ki abhi hum swayam me stith nahi huihai....> KYA CHUP SADHAN MEIN NIRASTA (UDASEENTA) HAI > ?> > KYA IS SADAHN MEIN ISHWAR KE SAKAR ROOP ATHWA> PREM ROOP KA> ABHAV NAHIN PRATIT HOTA ?> > KYA KISI SAMAY, HUM KARNO SE ATEET HOTE HAIN> > JAB KISI BHI SAMAY HUM KUCH BHI NAHIN SOCHTEY> YA ICHHA NAHIN> RAKHTEY HAIN , TAB BHI TO APNEPAN KA HONE KA BHAN> BHUDDHI SE HI TO> HOTA HAI.KYA

YEH SAHI HAI?> > KRIPYA BATAYEIN IS BUDDHI SE BHI KAISE ATEET> HUA JAYE. AUR> AGAR US SAMAY HUM SWAYAM MEIN STITH HAIN TO> PARAMANAND KI PRAPTI> KYON NAHIN HOTI.> > > > > > > >