Guest guest Posted July 25, 2006 Report Share Posted July 25, 2006 Shree Hari Ram Ram 1) How is one not to see the inert world (sansaar) and only see God? Does Gita say anything more specific than in Gita 7:19? 2) On one hand Swamiji says " We are only God's and only God is ours, " and at other times He says " Everything is God " (All is God). Which one should we believe and follow? It is confusing, because the bhava for each is different. 3) " We are part of God... " is mentioned in Gita 15:7, where else is this theme most predominant elsewhere in the Gita? 4) Many times (rather majority of the times) I am unable to see God (Vasudev) in those around me. Most times I see the situations, events, things, people in this world as 'DUKKHAALAI " (filled with sorrow). If that is the case, should I forget about Vasudeva Sarvam bhava? 5) How do we know which sadhana is right for us? If one is not inclined towards the world and mostly inclined towards God.. then in the Bhakti marg (path of devotion) which bhava is recommended? 4) Whatever form God comes to us in, Swamiji has said that one way to see Him is as shaakshaat Vasudeva (God)? It this really possible? Will it ever be possible? How is it possible? It seems like He comes more often in forms that are not so pleasant (sickness, fighting, arguing, selfishness, self-centeredness, giving pain, sorrow, laziness, inconsideration, not helping, causing frustration. At times it is an overwhelming feeling that is never ending and it goes on and on and on...) OH PLEASE HELP!!! A sadhak Ram Ram Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 26, 2006 Report Share Posted July 26, 2006 Dear Sadhak, Love and Love alone.... Let me also quote below what Sri Swami Sivananda said, in response to your 4th question: " This is an Ati-prasna or transcendental question. You will find this question coming up to your mind in various forms: When did Karma begin? When and why was the world created? Why is there evil in the world? Why did the Unmanifest manifest itself? And so on. The same question is asked by Rama in Yoga Vasishtha and Vasishtha says: " You are putting the cart before the horse. You will not be benefited by an enquiry into this question at all. Meditate and realize Brahman. You Will then know the answer to this question. The problem itself will have dissolved by then " . No one can answer this question. When Knowledge dawns, the question itself vanishes. Therefore there is no answer to the question at all. The Brahma Sutra says: Lokavat Tu Lila Kaivalyam .. It is only to pacify your doubt. It is really not an answer; for, there can be no answer. Yet, the question will arise in the case of every seeker after Truth. You cannot help it. You will have to use your discrimination, pacify the doubt, and then through intense Sadhana and meditation, realize God. Then the doubt will vanish. A great Yogi was worried with this doubt for twelve years. Then he told me: " The worry is over now. It troubled me for twelve years. I could not find an answer. So I have given up that pursuit and have taken to meditation, Japa and Kirtan. Now I find peace and progress " . Faith in the Guru, in the Granth Sahib, Kirtan, Japa, meditation and practice of righteousness- these will enable you to progress in the spiritual path and will take you to That where there is no questioning possible. " Love and Love alone... P. Gopi Krishna On 7/26/06, Gopi Krishna Paritala <paritalagopikrishna wrote: Dear Sadhak, Love and Love alone ... First of all, I am very happy to see these questions. May God Bless You and Guide you to the Reality. HE IS, of course, otherwise, these questions would not have arisen in your mind. And, through you, HE is guiding us all, each and every one of us, in our own way. Now, coming to your specific questions: 1) How is one not to see the inert world (sansaar) and only see God? Does Gita say anything more specific than in Gita 7:19? Ans. The whole Gita is on this point only. All the 18 chapters, directly or indirectly, address this issue alone. As Manjula Behanji suggested, let us read one sloka each day, contemplate on its meaning again and again throughout the day and then try to implement it in our day-to-day activities. We will realise the above truth in abundance, I can assure you. 2) On one hand Swamiji says " We are only God's and only God is ours, " and at other times He says " Everything is God " (All is God). Which one should we believe and follow? It is confusing, because the bhava for each is different. Ans. To answer the above question, I simply reproduce hereunder two quotes from Sri Ramana Maharshi: They will abundantly answer your question. Not even a single alphabet is necessary to be added from my side. " Sri Adi Sankara made three statements: (1) Brahman is real (2) The universe is unreal (3) Brahman is the Universe . When the Universe is perceived apart from Brahaman, that perception is false and illusory (Maya). What it amounts to is that phenomena area real when experienced as the Self and illusory when seen apart from the Self. The Self alone exists and is real. The world, the individual and God are, like the illusory appearance of silver in the mother-of-pearl, imaginary creations in the Self. They appear and disappear simultaneously. Actually, the Self alone is the world, the 'I' and God. All that exists is only a manifestation of the Supreme. " " There is no difference between the mind and the Self. The mind turned inwards is the Self; turned outwards, it becomes the ego and all the world. The cotton made into various cloths, we call by various names. But all the clothes are cotton. The one is real, the many are mere names and forms. But the mind does not exist apart from the Self, i.e., it has no independent existence. The Self exists without the mind, never the mind without the Self. " 3) " We are part of God... " is mentioned in Gita 15:7, where else is this theme most predominant elsewhere in the Gita? Ans. Again, my dear friend, the whole Gita answers this question. Lord again and again tells in Gita that you are not this body and get out of this " Dehaatma Budhdhi or Deha Bhranti " or Body Consciousness. Once you develop and establish yourself in this thought, you will realise Me. 4) Whatever form God comes to us in, Swamiji has said that one way to see Him is as shaakshaat Vasudeva (God)? It this really possible? Will it ever be possible? How is it possible? It seems like He comes more often in forms that are not so pleasant (sickness, fighting, arguing, selfishness, self-centeredness, giving pain, sorrow, laziness, inconsideration, not helping, causingfrustration. At times it is an overwhelming feeling that is never ending and it goes on and on and on...) Ans. Yes, since God is all pervading, both animate and inanimate, a sincere sadhaka should see HIM everywhere and in everything. Guru Charitra says that Lord Dattatreya has 24 gurus, both jara and ajara. You are absolutely right in having a doubt that " is it really possible? " My unequivocal and straightforward answer is " Yes, it is possible, but it is very difficult " . Let us strive, we will definitely get it. But, my dear friend, why you only have these questions and why not others? I s it really possible to analyse and answer HIS enveloping maya and at the same time HIS benevolence and compassion for HIS devotees? Yes, that overwhelming feeling will only guide us to HIS feet or abode and nothing else. Kindly continue (y)our search tirelessly, without entertaining any doubt and I am sure, HE will show up. I am confident. What else can I write? Whenever you find time, kindly visit the following links and bless me with your critical comments and views: http://chaardhaam.50webs.com/ http://www.telugubhakti.com/telugupages/Monthly/tbpfpages.htm and click on " Satsangam " and " Bhajagovindam " http://360./p_gopi_krishna Love and Love alone ... P. Gopi Krishna On 7/26/06, mdoshi2 < mdoshi2 wrote: Shree HariRam Ram1) How is one not to see the inert world (sansaar) and only seeGod? Does Gita say anything more specific than in Gita 7:19?2) On one hand Swamiji says " We are only God's and only God is ours, " and at other times He says " Everything is God " (All is God).Which one should we believe and follow? It is confusing, becausethe bhava for each is different.3) " We are part of God... " is mentioned in Gita 15:7, where else is this theme most predominant elsewhere in the Gita?4) Many times (rather majority of the times) I am unable to see God(Vasudev) in those around me. Most times I see the situations,events, things, people in this world as 'DUKKHAALAI " (filled with sorrow). If that is the case, should I forget about Vasudeva Sarvambhava?5) How do we know which sadhana is right for us? If one is notinclined towards the world and mostly inclined towards God.. then in the Bhakti marg (path of devotion) which bhava is recommended?4) Whatever form God comes to us in, Swamiji has said that one wayto see Him is as shaakshaat Vasudeva (God)? It this reallypossible? Will it ever be possible? How is it possible? It seems like He comes more often in forms that are not so pleasant(sickness, fighting, arguing, selfishness, self-centeredness, givingpain, sorrow, laziness, inconsideration, not helping, causingfrustration. At times it is an overwhelming feeling that is never ending and it goes on and on and on...)OH PLEASE HELP!!!A sadhakRam Ram Messages in this topic (1) Reply (via web post) | Start a new topic Messages | Calendar You are receiving Individual Emails Change Delivery Settings Visit Your Group | Terms of Use | Un New Message Search Find the message you want faster. Visit your group to try out the improved message search. Share feedback on the new changes to Groups Recent Activity 3 New Members Visit Your Group .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 26, 2006 Report Share Posted July 26, 2006 Shree Hari Ram Ram Priya Sadhaka, Aap ke prashno ke liye bahut bahut Dhanyabad, shows you a true seeker since the time of writing is in the wee hours of the morning. Param Shardhya Swami has addressed these questions in his discourses. This is my humble attempt here with few comments based on Swamiji's work ... Q-1 This world as we see and what we make of it is created by our mind only. There is no mind in deep sleep, the whole thing vanishes, as we wake up it comes back as if nothing happened. Gita sees the world in 2 ways: A). From Janani's point of view, The world is Mithya or a dream, while the dream lasts, everything appears real but after the dream is over, in the wakeful state, we come to realization the unreal nature of dream. In the path of Janana Yoga, the sadhaka negates the world but wants to realize his SELF or Atma only. B).From a devotee's standpoint, this world is a projection of God only, the devotee loves all, because creation is not different from Him since He Himself has become the creation. When we love someone, we love the things belonging to that person even more. Q-2 When Swamiji is saying - " We are only God's and only God is ours, " we have developed a relationship with God, we can love dearly only once we have built a relationship, difficult to love someone we do not have any intimacy with. This is to develop deep love for God. While " Everything is God " says to view the whole world as one unit with love, generally when ordinary people love some persons but they do not love some others because the sense of mine and not mine is operating. The human beings makes this distinction himself like Apna & praya. In God's creation there is Samta, his creation, air, water, sun, moon, earth treat all the same. The idea here is to try to love all. Comparatively, A Janani does not love anyone. So choice should be made, either love all or love none, but most people we are in between! Q-3 Yes, there are many places in Gita where this idea is braught out, e.g., 18-61 (The Lord dwells in the hearts of all beings ...). 15-15 (I am seated in the hearts of all...) 14-3 (My womb is the MahAT Brahma (Prakriti); in that I place the germ; thence, O Bharata, is the birth of all beings). 14-4 (Whatever forms ae produced, O Kaunteya, in any wombs whatsoever, the great Brahma (Prakriti) is their womb, I am the seed giver Father). 13-2 (Know Me as Kshetrajna (Jivatma)in all Kshetra (bodies)... 13-13 (With hands and feet everywhere, with eyes, heads and mouths everywhere, with eyes everywhere - He exists enveloping all). 13-32 (As the all pervading Akasa is not tainted, by reason of its subtlety, som the self seated in the body everywhere, is not tainted). 10-8 (I am the origin of all' from Me all things evolve ...). 10-20 (I am the SELF, O Gudakesa, seated in the hearts of all). 10-39 (Whatever is the seed of all beings, that Arjuna. There is no being, whether moving or unmoving that can exist without Me). 9-4 (All this universe is pervaded by Me in My unmanifested form; all beings exist in Me ...). 7-10 (Know Me, Partha, as the eternal seed of all beings ....). Q-4 The reason for not seeing God all the time is that we are operating at body/mind level only. All relationships are due to body only. We did not know these people before we got here or after we leave this fine place, only in between we are meeting for a short time of 50-60 years. We have made the world to appear as it were the only thing something which is last for ever as if along with us. We are limiting our sight only to what we can experience with our karnas (instruments -Antahkarana and bahia karanas). Yes, the world definetly is a dukhalya when we are operating at body and mind level. We are looking for sweets in a box of namkeen items, looking for permanent joy in a constantly changing environment. It is like there is a hungry man and wanting food and we tie some chapaties to his back. How can be satisfied. All the sages pounded the idea that the real joy is in Atman only. Tulsidasji says " Kaam Ashat sukh sapane hun nahin " , even in dream you cannot find sukh or peace as long as we have desire for the worldly objects). Q-5 The inner voice with sincere prayer will go long way to show us the path. Swamiji insists on a whole heartd Pukar with deenta, Tulsidasji says " Mo sum deen na deen hit tum sman Raghuvir ...) " . Each person has a prominent tendency in them, in some tears naturally start to roll down, they definitely a candidate for Sharnagath, true devotion, no other qualification required for them. Those who want to KNOW rather than accepting (Mananna), they are suited for the path of Knowledge, no tears come to them. Believe the natural bhava for the devotee is intense love of God. Pls. forgive me, I did not understand this part of the question very well. Q-6 Believe God can come in any form, depends on devotee's bhava, (as in 4-11, " In whatever way men identify with Me, in the same way do I carry out their desires; Men pursue My path, O Partha, in all ways). If all is God, he is coming in different forms, depends upon us. IF we truly and firmly believe God is everywhere in every kana, then where is the place without God. Depends how strong our belief is and how badly we want to realize Him unless of course we want to complete some other unfinished business first then certainly there is no much of urgency, God also says - since you can do without Me I can also do without you but I really would like it much better if you decide to meet with Me because he is in short supply of those who exclusively love Him above anything else. Prem bhara Pranam! A sadhka On Behalf Of mdoshi2 Wednesday, July 26, 2006 12:06 AM Vasudeva Sarvam (All is God) Shree Hari Ram Ram 1) How is one not to see the inert world (sansaar) and only see God? Does Gita say anything more specific than in Gita 7:19? 2) On one hand Swamiji says " We are only God's and only God is ours, " and at other times He says " Everything is God " (All is God). Which one should we believe and follow? It is confusing, because the bhava for each is different. 3) " We are part of God... " is mentioned in Gita 15:7, where else is this theme most predominant elsewhere in the Gita? 4) Many times (rather majority of the times) I am unable to see God (Vasudev) in those around me. Most times I see the situations, events, things, people in this world as 'DUKKHAALAI " (filled with sorrow). If that is the case, should I forget about Vasudeva Sarvam bhava? 5) How do we know which sadhana is right for us? If one is not inclined towards the world and mostly inclined towards God.. then in the Bhakti marg (path of devotion) which bhava is recommended? 4) Whatever form God comes to us in, Swamiji has said that one way to see Him is as shaakshaat Vasudeva (God)? It this really possible? Will it ever be possible? How is it possible? It seems like He comes more often in forms that are not so pleasant (sickness, fighting, arguing, selfishness, self-centeredness, giving pain, sorrow, laziness, inconsideration, not helping, causing frustration. At times it is an overwhelming feeling that is never ending and it goes on and on and on...) OH PLEASE HELP!!! A sadhak Ram Ram Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 26, 2006 Report Share Posted July 26, 2006 " Gopi Krishna Paritala " <paritalagopikrishna Dear Sadhak, Love and Love alone ... First of all, I am very happy to see these questions. May God Bless You and Guide you to the Reality. HE IS, of course, otherwise, these questions would not have arisen in your mind. And, through you, HE is guiding us all, each and every one of us, in our own way. Now, coming to your specific questions: 1) How is one not to see the inert world (sansaar) and only see God? Does Gita say anything more specific than in Gita 7:19? Ans. The whole Gita is on this point only. All the 18 chapters, directly or indirectly, address this issue alone. As Manjula Behanji suggested, let us read one sloka each day, contemplate on its meaning again and again throughout the day and then try to implement it in our day-to-day activities. We will realise the above truth in abundance, I can assure you. 2) On one hand Swamiji says " We are only God's and only God is ours, " and at other times He says " Everything is God " (All is God). Which one should we believe and follow? It is confusing, because the bhava for each is different. Ans. To answer the above question, I simply reproduce hereunder two quotes from Sri Ramana Maharshi: They will abundantly answer your question. Not even a single alphabet is necessary to be added from my side. " Sri Adi Sankara made three statements: (1) Brahman is real (2) The universe is unreal (3) Brahman is the Universe . When the Universe is perceived apart from Brahaman, that perception is false and illusory (Maya). What it amounts to is that phenomena area real when experienced as the Self and illusory when seen apart from the Self. The Self alone exists and is real. The world, the individual and God are, like the illusory appearance of silver in the mother-of-pearl, imaginary creations in the Self. They appear and disappear simultaneously. Actually, the Self alone is the world, the 'I' and God. All that exists is only a manifestation of the Supreme. " " There is no difference between the mind and the Self. The mind turned inwards is the Self; turned outwards, it becomes the ego and all the world. The cotton made into various cloths, we call by various names. But all the clothes are cotton. The one is real, the many are mere names and forms. But the mind does not exist apart from the Self, i.e., it has no independent existence. The Self exists without the mind, never the mind without the Self. " 3) " We are part of God... " is mentioned in Gita 15:7, where else is this theme most predominant elsewhere in the Gita? Ans. Again, my dear friend, the whole Gita answers this question. Lord again and again tells in Gita that you are not this body and get out of this " Dehaatma Budhdhi or Deha Bhranti " or Body Consciousness. Once you develop and establish yourself in this thought, you will realise Me. 4) Whatever form God comes to us in, Swamiji has said that one way to see Him is as shaakshaat Vasudeva (God)? It this really possible? Will it ever be possible? How is it possible? It seems like He comes more often in forms that are not so pleasant (sickness, fighting, arguing, selfishness, self-centeredness, giving pain, sorrow, laziness, inconsideration, not helping, causing frustration. At times it is an overwhelming feeling that is never ending and it goes on and on and on...) Ans. Yes, since God is all pervading, both animate and inanimate, a sincere sadhaka should see HIM everywhere and in everything. Guru Charitra says that Lord Dattatreya has 24 gurus, both jara and ajara. You are absolutely right in having a doubt that " is it really possible? " My unequivocal and straightforward answer is " Yes, it is possible, but it is very difficult " . Let us strive, we will definitely get it. But, my dear friend, why you only have these questions and why not others? I s it really possible to analyse and answer HIS enveloping maya and at the same time HIS benevolence and compassion for HIS devotees? Yes, that overwhelming feeling will only guide us to HIS feet or abode and nothing else. Kindly continue (y)our search tirelessly, without entertaining any doubt and I am sure, HE will show up. I am confident. What else can I write? Love and Love alone ... P. Gopi Krishna EDITED BY MODERATOR , " mdoshi2 " <mdoshi2 wrote: > > Shree Hari > Ram Ram > > 1) How is one not to see the inert world (sansaar) and only see > God? Does Gita say anything more specific than in Gita 7:19? > > 2) On one hand Swamiji says " We are only God's and only God is > ours, " and at other times He says " Everything is God " (All is God). > Which one should we believe and follow? It is confusing, because > the bhava for each is different. > > 3) " We are part of God... " is mentioned in Gita 15:7, where else is > this theme most predominant elsewhere in the Gita? > > 4) Many times (rather majority of the times) I am unable to see God > (Vasudev) in those around me. Most times I see the situations, > events, things, people in this world as 'DUKKHAALAI " (filled with > sorrow). If that is the case, should I forget about Vasudeva Sarvam > bhava? > > 5) How do we know which sadhana is right for us? If one is not > inclined towards the world and mostly inclined towards God.. then in > the Bhakti marg (path of devotion) which bhava is recommended? > > 4) Whatever form God comes to us in, Swamiji has said that one way > to see Him is as shaakshaat Vasudeva (God)? It this really > possible? Will it ever be possible? How is it possible? It seems > like He comes more often in forms that are not so pleasant > (sickness, fighting, arguing, selfishness, self-centeredness, giving pain, sorrow, laziness, inconsideration, not helping, causing > frustration. At times it is an overwhelming feeling that is never > ending and it goes on and on and on...) > > OH PLEASE HELP!!! > > A sadhak > > Ram Ram > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 26, 2006 Report Share Posted July 26, 2006 This answer is confounding since we are supposed to be devotees of Krishna is it not? How can Brahman be God if Shree Krishna says in 14.26 of the Gita that 'brahmano hi pratishtaham', that 'I establish Brahman'. Or in other words Brahman , the impersonal absolute, is subordinate to Him. It is secondary and in fact tertiary since the Paramatma is second to Bhagavan. But then when we see that the efforts to see God as Brahman is not recommended in the Gita in the first place--12.5 then why should we even hear any discussion of Brahman as our goal??? This Advaita philosophy is opposed to the words of Shree Krishna and poisonous for those on the true path! bee vee avadoot See the all-new, redesigned .com. Check it out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 26, 2006 Report Share Posted July 26, 2006 Dear Gitawalees; The answer to seeing God in nature: Gita 9.4. Krishna says that it is His unmanifest form. 'Jagat avyakta murtina'. His personal Form is present before Arjuna. But within all elements He is unmanifest. bv avadhut Gopi Krishna Paritala <paritalagopikrishna wrote: Dear Sadhak, Love and Love alone.... Let me also quote below what Sri Swami Sivananda said, in response to your 4th question: "This is an Ati-prasna or transcendental question. You will find this question coming up to your mind in various forms: When did Karma begin? When and why was the world created? Why is there evil in the world? Why did the Unmanifest manifest itself? And so on. The same question is asked by Rama in Yoga Vasishtha and Vasishtha says: "You are putting the cart before the horse. You will not be benefited by an enquiry into this question at all. Meditate and realize Brahman. You Will then know the answer to this question. The problem itself will have dissolved by then". No one can answer this question. When Knowledge dawns, the question itself vanishes. Therefore there is no answer to the question at all. The Brahma Sutra says: Lokavat Tu Lila Kaivalyam . It is only to pacify your doubt. It is really not an answer; for, there can be no answer. Yet, the question will arise in the case of every seeker after Truth. You cannot help it. You will have to use your discrimination, pacify the doubt, and then through intense Sadhana and meditation, realize God. Then the doubt will vanish. A great Yogi was worried with this doubt for twelve years. Then he told me: "The worry is over now. It troubled me for twelve years. I could not find an answer. So I have given up that pursuit and have taken to meditation, Japa and Kirtan. Now I find peace and progress". Faith in the Guru, in the Granth Sahib, Kirtan, Japa, meditation and practice of righteousness- these will enable you to progress in the spiritual path and will take you to That where there is no questioning possible." Love and Love alone... P. Gopi Krishna On 7/26/06, Gopi Krishna Paritala <paritalagopikrishna > wrote: Dear Sadhak, Love and Love alone ... First of all, I am very happy to see these questions. May God Bless You and Guide you to the Reality. HE IS, of course, otherwise, these questions would not have arisen in your mind. And, through you, HE is guiding us all, each and every one of us, in our own way. Now, coming to your specific questions: 1) How is one not to see the inert world (sansaar) and only see God? Does Gita say anything more specific than in Gita 7:19? Ans. The whole Gita is on this point only. All the 18 chapters, directly or indirectly, address this issue alone. As Manjula Behanji suggested, let us read one sloka each day, contemplate on its meaning again and again throughout the day and then try to implement it in our day-to-day activities. We will realise the above truth in abundance, I can assure you. 2) On one hand Swamiji says "We are only God's and only God is ours," and at other times He says "Everything is God" (All is God). Which one should we believe and follow? It is confusing, because the bhava for each is different. Ans. To answer the above question, I simply reproduce hereunder two quotes from Sri Ramana Maharshi: They will abundantly answer your question. Not even a single alphabet is necessary to be added from my side. "Sri Adi Sankara made three statements: (1) Brahman is real (2) The universe is unreal (3) Brahman is the Universe . When the Universe is perceived apart from Brahaman, that perception is false and illusory (Maya). What it amounts to is that phenomena area real when experienced as the Self and illusory when seen apart from the Self. The Self alone exists and is real. The world, the individual and God are, like the illusory appearance of silver in the mother-of-pearl, imaginary creations in the Self. They appear and disappear simultaneously. Actually, the Self alone is the world, the 'I' and God. All that exists is only a manifestation of the Supreme." "There is no difference between the mind and the Self. The mind turned inwards is the Self; turned outwards, it becomes the ego and all the world. The cotton made into various cloths, we call by various names. But all the clothes are cotton. The one is real, the many are mere names and forms. But the mind does not exist apart from the Self, i.e., it has no independent existence. The Self exists without the mind, never the mind without the Self." 3) "We are part of God... " is mentioned in Gita 15:7, where else is this theme most predominant elsewhere in the Gita? Ans. Again, my dear friend, the whole Gita answers this question. Lord again and again tells in Gita that you are not this body and get out of this "Dehaatma Budhdhi or Deha Bhranti" or Body Consciousness. Once you develop and establish yourself in this thought, you will realise Me. 4) Whatever form God comes to us in, Swamiji has said that one way to see Him is as shaakshaat Vasudeva (God)? It this really possible? Will it ever be possible? How is it possible? It seemslike He comes more often in forms that are not so pleasant (sickness, fighting, arguing, selfishness, self-centeredness, giving pain, sorrow, laziness, inconsideration, not helping, causingfrustration. At times it is an overwhelming feeling that is never ending and it goes on and on and on...) Ans. Yes, since God is all pervading, both animate and inanimate, a sincere sadhaka should see HIM everywhere and in everything. Guru Charitra says that Lord Dattatreya has 24 gurus, both jara and ajara. You are absolutely right in having a doubt that "is it really possible?" My unequivocal and straightforward answer is "Yes, it is possible, but it is very difficult". Let us strive, we will definitely get it. But, my dear friend, why you only have these questions and why not others? I s it really possible to analyse and answer HIS enveloping maya and at the same time HIS benevolence and compassion for HIS devotees? Yes, that overwhelming feeling will only guide us to HIS feet or abode and nothing else. Kindly continue (y)our search tirelessly, without entertaining any doubt and I am sure, HE will show up. I am confident. What else can I write? Whenever you find time, kindly visit the following links and bless me with your critical comments and views: http://chaardhaam.50webs.com/ http://www.telugubhakti.com/telugupages/Monthly/tbpfpages.htm and click on "Satsangam" and "Bhajagovindam" http://360./p_gopi_krishna Love and Love alone ... P. Gopi Krishna On 7/26/06, mdoshi2 < mdoshi2 > wrote: Shree HariRam Ram1) How is one not to see the inert world (sansaar) and only seeGod? Does Gita say anything more specific than in Gita 7:19?2) On one hand Swamiji says "We are only God's and only God is ours," and at other times He says "Everything is God" (All is God).Which one should we believe and follow? It is confusing, becausethe bhava for each is different.3) "We are part of God... " is mentioned in Gita 15:7, where else is this theme most predominant elsewhere in the Gita?4) Many times (rather majority of the times) I am unable to see God(Vasudev) in those around me. Most times I see the situations,events, things, people in this world as 'DUKKHAALAI" (filled with sorrow). If that is the case, should I forget about Vasudeva Sarvambhava?5) How do we know which sadhana is right for us? If one is notinclined towards the world and mostly inclined towards God.. then in the Bhakti marg (path of devotion) which bhava is recommended?4) Whatever form God comes to us in, Swamiji has said that one wayto see Him is as shaakshaat Vasudeva (God)? It this reallypossible? Will it ever be possible? How is it possible? It seems like He comes more often in forms that are not so pleasant(sickness, fighting, arguing, selfishness, self-centeredness, givingpain, sorrow, laziness, inconsideration, not helping, causingfrustration. At times it is an overwhelming feeling that is never ending and it goes on and on and on...)OH PLEASE HELP!!!A sadhakRam Ram Messages in this topic (1) Reply (via web post) | Start a new topic Messages | Calendar You are receiving Individual Emails Change Delivery Settings Visit Your Group | Terms of Use | Un New Message Search Find the message you want faster. Visit your group to try out the improved message search. Share feedback on the new changes to Groups Recent Activity 3 New MembersVisit Your Group . Next-gen email? Have it all with the all-new Mail Beta. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 27, 2006 Report Share Posted July 27, 2006 " Gopi Krishna Paritala " <paritalagopikrishna Dear Avadoot ji, Love and respects. Kindly do not use any such word which will hurt the feelings of other fellow-travellers. Howsoever you are against Advaita philosophy, it does not give you the right to denounce it with words like " This Advaita philosophy is opposed to the words of Shree Krishna and poisonous for those on the true path! " Kindly note that " Adi Sankara " wrote the first detailed and comprehensive commentary on Gita. Let us spread only love, whatever path one is following, not hatred or poison, as you put it. Since we are dividing ourselves like this in terms of " paths " , " castes " , " philosophies " , " deities " , " regions " , " language s " , " sexes " etc., Is it not? Kindly introspect. I do not know how this comment has slipped the attention of our ever alert moderator!!! May God Bless Us All. Love and Love alone... P. Gopi Krishna MESSAGE EDITED BY MODERATOR , avadhuta maharaja <avadhutamaharaja wrote: > > This answer is confounding since we are supposed to be devotees of Krishna is it not? > How can Brahman be God if Shree Krishna says in 14.26 of the Gita that 'brahmano hi pratishtaham', that 'I establish Brahman'. Or in other words Brahman , the impersonal absolute, is subordinate to Him. It is secondary and in fact tertiary since the Paramatma is second to Bhagavan. > But then when we see that the efforts to see God as Brahman is not recommended in the Gita in the first place--12.5 then why should we even hear any discussion of Brahman as our goal??? > This Advaita philosophy is opposed to the words of Shree Krishna and poisonous for those on the true path! > > > bee vee avadoot > > > > See the all-new, redesigned .com. Check it out. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 27, 2006 Report Share Posted July 27, 2006 Dear Madanji and all other Fellow Travellers, Love and Love alone ... Many thanks indeed for your detailed explanation based entirely on Gita only. First of all, I never realised that there are six questions, as I have seen or received only 4 questions. I was a bit surprised to see a total of six questions and six answers in your posting. Where it went wrong? Any clue? Coming to the topic, as you rightly put it, " yathaa drishti thathaa srishti " . It all depends on how we or our mind looks at the outside world. If we close eyes, there is no world outside. That is the precise reason, our Mahatmas and Gita tell us to withdraw our indriyas, introspect and analyse the incidents and then forget and forgive them (detachment). Bhagawan Ramana says that Jnana and Bhakti are two paths for the same destination. Once you reach the pinnacle of that High State, both Jnana and Bhakti merge into one. Without Bhakti there is no Jnana and without Jnana there is no Bhakti. It is Maarjaala Nyamam ( i.e., Cat's path (justice) - Bhakti Maarg) and Markata Nyaayam (Monkey's path (justice), i.e., Jnana Maarg). Both are equally important, but the paths are distinctly different. Jnaani says that Aham Brahmasmi (I am Brahman) and Bhakta says Sarvam Khalvidam Brahma (Sarvam = all + khalu = indeed + idam = this, the manifested universe + brahma = the supreme mind or spirit of universe or the Super Soul) . It is like Viswam Vishnuh (Sri Vishnu Sahasranamams). But, this Viswam or Universe is nothing but dream if we close our eyes, but it is a reality in the waking stage. The question is when do we close our eyes to the world or universe? Only when we grow beyond the opposites like raaga-dweshas, paapa-punyas, heat-cold, day-night, etc. That day will come to every one of us, I am confident. Swami Vivekananda says that every soul reaches Lord, but the question is when and how soon? That depends on our devotion and dedication. Only the relationship or love with God / Guru is everlasting and without any trace of selfishness, and all others are transitory. If we succeed in establishing firmly that love, as Mira did - meretho girighar gopal doosarana koyi -, then this world is fully of Lord only and nothing else. Then, it is love for Love sake only and not for anything in return. If He is not our in-dweller and we are not His ansh (part), then we will not be having those divine qualities, which HE has. But, the only difference is that we have covered those qualities by attaching ourselves with the outside world, by the glitters and games of the world, forgetting our true nature. God, in Gita, time and again reminds us this truth and implores us to realise the futility of this world, surrender to HIM and make use of this manava janma. As long as we retain Dehatma Budhdhi or Body Consciousness (BC), we will not realise His true nature. The only way to overcome this BC or BMI (body, mind and intelligence) syndrome is to cleanse ourselves with HIS nama, japa, kirtana, meditation, etc. As long as we keep the bucket upside down under a tap, we will not fill it. Like wise, HIS love and compassion are always pouring like perennial Ganges, and as long as we do not open up to HIM, we will not become one with HIM. The path gets cleared automatically once we give up ourselves to HIM. The problem is that it is not that easy to give up our ego, our BC or BMI, because these vasanaas have become part of our nature for a number lives and now we have realised the futility of these samskaaraas by HIS grace. So, let us strirve to tread that path, which leads to HIS Brindavan. The gist of all the abvoe discussion is to see HIM everywhere, internally and externally and be attached to HIM alone. It all depends on how strong we are in our belief and how dedicated we are in our attitude to cleanse ourselves. It is an uphill task, no doubt, but let us start putting forward one step every time in that direction, and I am sure, HE will come down ten steps. Every step counts and let us not get districted. Let us start right now, this very moment. Hari Om Love and Love alone.... On 7/26/06, Kaura, Madan (M.L.) <mkaura wrote: Shree HariRam RamPriya Sadhaka,Aap ke prashno ke liye bahut bahut Dhanyabad, shows you a true seekersince the time of writing is in the wee hours of the morning. ParamShardhya Swami has addressed these questions in his discourses. This is my humble attempt here with few comments based on Swamiji's work ...Q-1 This world as we see and what we make of it is created by our mind only.There is no mind in deep sleep, the whole thing vanishes, as we wake up it comes back as if nothing happened. Gita sees the world in 2 ways:A). From Janani's point of view, The world is Mithya or a dream, whilethe dream lasts, everything appears real but after the dream is over, in the wakeful state, we come to realization the unreal nature of dream. Inthe path of Janana Yoga, the sadhaka negates the world but wants torealize his SELF or Atma only.B).From a devotee's standpoint, this world is a projection of God only, the devotee loves all, because creation is not different from Him sinceHe Himself has become the creation. When we love someone, we love thethings belonging to that person even more. Q-2When Swamiji is saying - " We are only God's and only God is ours, " we have developed a relationship with God, we can love dearly only once wehave built a relationship, difficult to love someone we do not have anyintimacy with. This is to develop deep love for God. While " Everything is God " says to view the whole world as one unit with love, generally when ordinary people love some persons but they do notlove some others because the sense of mine and not mine is operating.The human beings makes this distinction himself like Apna & praya. In God's creation there is Samta, his creation, air, water, sun, moon,earth treat all the same. The idea here is to try to love all.Comparatively, A Janani does not love anyone. So choice should be made,either love all or love none, but most people we are in between! Q-3Yes, there are many places in Gita where this idea is braught out, e.g.,18-61 (The Lord dwells in the hearts of all beings ...).15-15 (I am seated in the hearts of all...)14-3 (My womb is the MahAT Brahma (Prakriti); in that I place the germ; thence, O Bharata, is the birth of all beings).14-4 (Whatever forms ae produced, O Kaunteya, in any wombs whatsoever,the great Brahma (Prakriti) is their womb, I am the seed giver Father).13-2 (Know Me as Kshetrajna (Jivatma)in all Kshetra (bodies)... 13-13 (With hands and feet everywhere, with eyes, heads and mouthseverywhere, with eyes everywhere - He exists enveloping all).13-32 (As the all pervading Akasa is not tainted, by reason of itssubtlety, som the self seated in the body everywhere, is not tainted). 10-8 (I am the origin of all' from Me all things evolve ...).10-20 (I am the SELF, O Gudakesa, seated in the hearts of all).10-39 (Whatever is the seed of all beings, that Arjuna. There is nobeing, whether moving or unmoving that can exist without Me). 9-4 (All this universe is pervaded by Me in My unmanifested form; allbeings exist in Me ...).7-10 (Know Me, Partha, as the eternal seed of all beings ....).Q-4The reason for not seeing God all the time is that we are operating at body/mind level only. All relationships are due to body only. We did notknow these people before we got here or after we leave this fine place,only in between we are meeting for a short time of 50-60 years. We have made the world to appear as it were the only thing something which islast for ever as if along with us. We are limiting our sight only towhat we can experience with our karnas (instruments -Antahkarana and bahia karanas). Yes, the world definetly is a dukhalya when we areoperating at body and mind level. We are looking for sweets in a box ofnamkeen items, looking for permanent joy in a constantly changingenvironment. It is like there is a hungry man and wanting food and we tie some chapaties to his back. How can be satisfied. All the sagespounded the idea that the real joy is in Atman only.Tulsidasji says " Kaam Ashat sukh sapane hun nahin " , even in dream youcannot find sukh or peace as long as we have desire for the worldly objects).Q-5The inner voice with sincere prayer will go long way to show us thepath. Swamiji insists on a whole heartd Pukar with deenta, Tulsidasjisays " Mo sum deen na deen hit tum sman Raghuvir ...) " . Each person has a prominent tendency in them, in some tears naturally start to roll down,they definitely a candidate for Sharnagath, true devotion, no otherqualification required for them. Those who want to KNOW rather than accepting (Mananna), they are suited for the path of Knowledge, no tearscome to them. Believe the natural bhava for the devotee is intense loveof God. Pls. forgive me, I did not understand this part of the question very well. Q-6Believe God can come in any form, depends on devotee's bhava, (as in4-11, " In whatever way men identify with Me, in the same way do I carryout their desires; Men pursue My path, O Partha, in all ways). If all is God, he is coming in different forms, depends upon us. IF we truly andfirmly believe God is everywhere in every kana, then where is the placewithout God. Depends how strong our belief is and how badly we want to realize Him unless of course we want to complete some other unfinishedbusiness first then certainly there is no much of urgency, God also says- since you can do without Me I can also do without you but I really would like it much better if you decide to meet with Me because he is inshort supply of those who exclusively love Him above anything else. Prem bhara Pranam!A sadhka [ ] OnBehalf Of mdoshi2Wednesday, July 26, 2006 12:06 AM Subject: Vasudeva Sarvam (All is God)Shree HariRam Ram1) How is one not to see the inert world (sansaar) and only seeGod? Does Gita say anything more specific than in Gita 7:19? 2) On one hand Swamiji says " We are only God's and only God is ours, " and at other times He says " Everything is God " (All is God).Which one should we believe and follow? It is confusing, because the bhava for each is different.3) " We are part of God... " is mentioned in Gita 15:7, where else isthis theme most predominant elsewhere in the Gita?4) Many times (rather majority of the times) I am unable to see God (Vasudev) in those around me. Most times I see the situations, events,things, people in this world as 'DUKKHAALAI " (filled with sorrow). Ifthat is the case, should I forget about Vasudeva Sarvam bhava? 5) How do we know which sadhana is right for us? If one is notinclined towards the world and mostly inclined towards God.. then in theBhakti marg (path of devotion) which bhava is recommended?4) Whatever form God comes to us in, Swamiji has said that one way to see Him is as shaakshaat Vasudeva (God)? It this really possible? Willit ever be possible? How is it possible? It seems like He comes moreoften in forms that are not so pleasant (sickness, fighting, arguing, selfishness, self-centeredness, giving pain, sorrow, laziness,inconsideration, not helping, causing frustration. At times it is anoverwhelming feeling that is never ending and it goes on and on andon...) OH PLEASE HELP!!!A sadhakRam Ram Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 27, 2006 Report Share Posted July 27, 2006 > Shree Hari > Ram Ram > > 1) How is one not to see the inert world (sansaar) and only see > God? Does Gita say anything more specific than in Gita 7:19? It is a change of belief. Accept it - what exists is only God. The inert world has no existence. It is forever changing. What changes does not exist. > 2) On one hand Swamiji says " We are only God's and only God is > ours, " and at other times He says " Everything is God " (All is God). > Which one should we believe and follow? It is confusing, because > the bhava for each is different. 'Mere to Girdhar Gopal', 'Doosro Na koi'. Are these two principles or one? Doosro Na Koi means No one else is mine and it also means there is no other (All is God). There is only God and He is mine. Prem ki gali ati saakri, yaame do na samaaye. Jab main tha hari nahin, jab hari hai main nahi. Kabhi Main (as a sevak) Kabhi keval bhagwaan - ever increasing love. > 4) Many times (rather majority of the times) I am unable to see God > (Vasudev) in those around me. Most times I see the situations, > events, things, people in this world as 'DUKKHAALAI " (filled with > sorrow). If that is the case, should I forget about Vasudeva Sarvam > bhava? No, never. It is God in those forms. There is no sorrow. It is a dukhaalay only if you want something from it. It gives sorrow only because of our desire of pleasure. Else it is only Vaasudev. See God's lila in everything that is happening around you. > > 5) How do we know which sadhana is right for us? If one is not > inclined towards the world and mostly inclined towards God.. then in > the Bhakti marg (path of devotion) which bhava is recommended? The bhava in Bhakti is only one - I am only God's and only God is mine. Whatever we see is God and all actions (attempts) are His lila. > > 6) Whatever form God comes to us in, Swamiji has said that one way > to see Him is as shaakshaat Vasudeva (God)? It this really > possible? Will it ever be possible? How is it possible? It seems > like He comes more often in forms that are not so pleasant > (sickness, fighting, arguing, selfishness, self-centeredness, giving > pain, sorrow, laziness, inconsideration, not helping, causing > frustration. At times it is an overwhelming feeling that is never > ending and it goes on and on and on...) It is certainly possible. Never doubt it. You have seen people who have experienced this (Swamiji). You know of devotees who have experienced this (Mirabai, Prahlad). The not pleasant forms is only because of our desire of pleasure. There is no pleasure in the world. The pleasure is there only if you see God in the sickness, etc. It can never go on and on. The world changes so fast that you cannot even see your same finger twice. No situation stays - no situation can stay. Only God goes on and on. Only bliss is forever - only anand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 27, 2006 Report Share Posted July 27, 2006 " Gopi Krishna Paritala " <paritalagopikrishna Dear Brothers and Sisters, Love and Love alone ... As I finished the reply to Madanji's posting, I recollected a saying in Katha Upanishad 1.2.20, " Anoraniyaan Mahato-mahiyaan " (God is smaller than the smallest and bigger than the biggest). The same concept is reflected in Sri Vishnu Sahasranamam - " Anur Brihat Krishah Stulo " ( Subtlest; Greatest; slim and delicate; grossest) and Purusha Suktam " Sahasra Seershaa Purushah Sahasrakshah Sahasra Paath, Sa Bhoomim Viswato Vritvaa Atyatishtat Dasaangulam " (God has very large number of heads, eyes and feet -- because all heads belong to the world = God. He covers the earth from all sides as sky/space and yet He exceeds by 10 digits the whole world. In other words, HE exceeds finite space and time. The above explanation clearly shows beyond an iota of doubt that HE IS and nothing else. Everything that we can imagine or not and even beyond that HE IS only. Hari Om, Love and Love alone ... P. Gopi Krishna FONT MODIFIED BY MODERATOR , " Gopi Krishna Paritala " <paritalagopikrishna wrote: > > Dear Madanji and all other Fellow Travellers, > > Love and Love alone ... > > Many thanks indeed for your detailed explanation based entirely on Gita > only. First of all, I never realised that there are six questions, as I have > seen or received only 4 questions. I was a bit surprised to see a total of > six questions and six answers in your posting. Where it went wrong? Any > clue? > > Coming to the topic, as you rightly put it, " yathaa drishti thathaa > srishti " . It all depends on how we or our mind looks at the outside world. > If we close eyes, there is no world outside. That is the precise reason, our > Mahatmas and Gita tell us to withdraw our indriyas, introspect and analyse > the incidents and then forget and forgive them (detachment). Bhagawan Ramana > says that Jnana and Bhakti are two paths for the same destination. Once you > reach the pinnacle of that High State, both Jnana and Bhakti merge into one. > Without Bhakti there is no Jnana and without Jnana there is no Bhakti. It is > Maarjaala Nyamam (i.e., Cat's path (justice) - Bhakti Maarg) and Markata > Nyaayam (Monkey's path (justice), i.e., Jnana Maarg). Both are equally > important, but the paths are distinctly different. Jnaani says that *Aham > Brahmasmi* (I am Brahman) and Bhakta says *Sarvam Khalvidam Brahma* (Sarvam = > all + *khalu* = indeed + *idam* = this, the manifested universe + > *brahma*= the supreme mind or spirit of universe or the Super Soul) . > It is like > *Viswam Vishnuh* (Sri Vishnu Sahasranamams). But, this Viswam or Universe is > nothing but dream if we close our eyes, but it is a reality in the waking > stage. The question is when do we close our eyes to the world or universe? > Only when we grow beyond the opposites like raaga-dweshas, paapa- punyas, > heat-cold, day-night, etc. That day will come to every one of us, I am > confident. Swami Vivekananda says that every soul reaches Lord, but the > question is when and how soon? That depends on our devotion and dedication. > > Only the relationship or love with God / Guru is everlasting and without any > trace of selfishness, and all others are transitory. If we succeed in > establishing firmly that love, as Mira did - *meretho girighar gopal > doosarana koyi* -, then this world is fully of Lord only and nothing else. > Then, it is love for Love sake only and not for anything in return. > > If He is not our in-dweller and we are not His ansh (part), then we will not > be having those divine qualities, which HE has. But, the only difference is > that we have covered those qualities by attaching ourselves with the outside > world, by the glitters and games of the world, forgetting our true nature. > God, in Gita, time and again reminds us this truth and implores us to > realise the futility of this world, surrender to HIM and make use of this > manava janma. > > As long as we retain Dehatma Budhdhi or Body Consciousness (BC), we will not > realise His true nature. The only way to overcome this BC or BMI (body, mind > and intelligence) syndrome is to cleanse ourselves with HIS nama, japa, > kirtana, meditation, etc. As long as we keep the bucket upside down under a > tap, we will not fill it. Like wise, HIS love and compassion are always > pouring like perennial Ganges, and as long as we do not open up to HIM, we > will not become one with HIM. > > The path gets cleared automatically once we give up ourselves to HIM. The > problem is that it is not that easy to give up our ego, our BC or BMI, > because these vasanaas have become part of our nature for a number lives and > now we have realised the futility of these samskaaraas by HIS grace. So, let > us strirve to tread that path, which leads to HIS Brindavan. > > The gist of all the abvoe discussion is to see HIM everywhere, internally > and externally and be attached to HIM alone. It all depends on how strong we > are in our belief and how dedicated we are in our attitude to cleanse > ourselves. It is an uphill task, no doubt, but let us start putting forward > one step every time in that direction, and I am sure, HE will come down ten > steps. Every step counts and let us not get districted. Let us start right > now, this very moment. > > Hari Om > > Love and Love alone.... > > > On 7/26/06, Kaura, Madan (M.L.) <mkaura wrote: > > > > Shree Hari > > Ram Ram > > > > Priya Sadhaka, > > Aap ke prashno ke liye bahut bahut Dhanyabad, shows you a true seeker > > since the time of writing is in the wee hours of the morning. Param > > Shardhya Swami has addressed these questions in his discourses. This is > > my humble attempt here with few comments based on Swamiji's work ... > > > > Q-1 > > This world as we see and what we make of it is created by our mind only. > > There is no mind in deep sleep, the whole thing vanishes, as we wake up > > it comes back as if nothing happened. Gita sees the world in 2 ways: > > A). From Janani's point of view, The world is Mithya or a dream, while > > the dream lasts, everything appears real but after the dream is over, in > > the wakeful state, we come to realization the unreal nature of dream. In > > the path of Janana Yoga, the sadhaka negates the world but wants to > > realize his SELF or Atma only. > > B).From a devotee's standpoint, this world is a projection of God only, > > the devotee loves all, because creation is not different from Him since > > He Himself has become the creation. When we love someone, we love the > > things belonging to that person even more. > > > > Q-2 > > When Swamiji is saying - " We are only God's and only God is ours, " we > > have developed a relationship with God, we can love dearly only once we > > have built a relationship, difficult to love someone we do not have any > > intimacy with. This is to develop deep love for God. > > While " Everything is God " says to view the whole world as one unit with > > love, generally when ordinary people love some persons but they do not > > love some others because the sense of mine and not mine is operating. > > The human beings makes this distinction himself like Apna & praya. In > > God's creation there is Samta, his creation, air, water, sun, moon, > > earth treat all the same. The idea here is to try to love all. > > Comparatively, A Janani does not love anyone. So choice should be made, > > either love all or love none, but most people we are in between! > > > > Q-3 > > Yes, there are many places in Gita where this idea is braught out, e.g., > > 18-61 (The Lord dwells in the hearts of all beings ...). > > 15-15 (I am seated in the hearts of all...) > > 14-3 (My womb is the MahAT Brahma (Prakriti); in that I place the germ; > > thence, O Bharata, is the birth of all beings). > > 14-4 (Whatever forms ae produced, O Kaunteya, in any wombs whatsoever, > > the great Brahma (Prakriti) is their womb, I am the seed giver Father). > > 13-2 (Know Me as Kshetrajna (Jivatma)in all Kshetra (bodies)... > > 13-13 (With hands and feet everywhere, with eyes, heads and mouths > > everywhere, with eyes everywhere - He exists enveloping all). > > 13-32 (As the all pervading Akasa is not tainted, by reason of its > > subtlety, som the self seated in the body everywhere, is not tainted). > > 10-8 (I am the origin of all' from Me all things evolve ...). > > 10-20 (I am the SELF, O Gudakesa, seated in the hearts of all). > > 10-39 (Whatever is the seed of all beings, that Arjuna. There is no > > being, whether moving or unmoving that can exist without Me). > > 9-4 (All this universe is pervaded by Me in My unmanifested form; all > > beings exist in Me ...). > > 7-10 (Know Me, Partha, as the eternal seed of all beings ....). > > > > Q-4 > > The reason for not seeing God all the time is that we are operating at > > body/mind level only. All relationships are due to body only. We did not > > know these people before we got here or after we leave this fine place, > > only in between we are meeting for a short time of 50-60 years. We have > > made the world to appear as it were the only thing something which is > > last for ever as if along with us. We are limiting our sight only to > > what we can experience with our karnas (instruments -Antahkarana and > > bahia karanas). Yes, the world definetly is a dukhalya when we are > > operating at body and mind level. We are looking for sweets in a box of > > namkeen items, looking for permanent joy in a constantly changing > > environment. It is like there is a hungry man and wanting food and we > > tie some chapaties to his back. How can be satisfied. All the sages > > pounded the idea that the real joy is in Atman only. > > Tulsidasji says " Kaam Ashat sukh sapane hun nahin " , even in dream you > > cannot find sukh or peace as long as we have desire for the worldly > > objects). > > > > Q-5 > > The inner voice with sincere prayer will go long way to show us the > > path. Swamiji insists on a whole heartd Pukar with deenta, Tulsidasji > > says " Mo sum deen na deen hit tum sman Raghuvir ...) " . Each person has a > > prominent tendency in them, in some tears naturally start to roll down, > > they definitely a candidate for Sharnagath, true devotion, no other > > qualification required for them. Those who want to KNOW rather than > > accepting (Mananna), they are suited for the path of Knowledge, no tears > > come to them. Believe the natural bhava for the devotee is intense love > > of God. Pls. forgive me, I did not understand this part of the question > > very well. > > > > Q-6 > > Believe God can come in any form, depends on devotee's bhava, (as in > > 4-11, " In whatever way men identify with Me, in the same way do I carry > > out their desires; Men pursue My path, O Partha, in all ways). If all is > > God, he is coming in different forms, depends upon us. IF we truly and > > firmly believe God is everywhere in every kana, then where is the place > > without God. Depends how strong our belief is and how badly we want to > > realize Him unless of course we want to complete some other unfinished > > business first then certainly there is no much of urgency, God also says > > - since you can do without Me I can also do without you but I really > > would like it much better if you decide to meet with Me because he is in > > short supply of those who exclusively love Him above anything else. > > > > Prem bhara Pranam! > > > > A sadhka > > > > > > > > <%40> [ > > <%40>] On > > Behalf Of mdoshi2 > > Wednesday, July 26, 2006 12:06 AM > > <%40> > > Vasudeva Sarvam (All is God) > > > > Shree Hari > > Ram Ram > > > > 1) How is one not to see the inert world (sansaar) and only see > > God? Does Gita say anything more specific than in Gita 7:19? > > > > 2) On one hand Swamiji says " We are only God's and only God is ours, " > > and at other times He says " Everything is God " (All is God). > > Which one should we believe and follow? It is confusing, because the > > bhava for each is different. > > > > 3) " We are part of God... " is mentioned in Gita 15:7, where else is > > this theme most predominant elsewhere in the Gita? > > > > 4) Many times (rather majority of the times) I am unable to see God > > (Vasudev) in those around me. Most times I see the situations, events, > > things, people in this world as 'DUKKHAALAI " (filled with sorrow). If > > that is the case, should I forget about Vasudeva Sarvam bhava? > > > > 5) How do we know which sadhana is right for us? If one is not > > inclined towards the world and mostly inclined towards God.. then in the > > Bhakti marg (path of devotion) which bhava is recommended? > > > > 4) Whatever form God comes to us in, Swamiji has said that one way to > > see Him is as shaakshaat Vasudeva (God)? It this really possible? Will > > it ever be possible? How is it possible? It seems like He comes more > > often in forms that are not so pleasant (sickness, fighting, arguing, > > selfishness, self-centeredness, giving pain, sorrow, laziness, > > inconsideration, not helping, causing frustration. At times it is an > > overwhelming feeling that is never ending and it goes on and on and > > on...) > > > > OH PLEASE HELP!!! > > > > A sadhak > > > > Ram Ram > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 31, 2006 Report Share Posted July 31, 2006 Loving Divine, Pranam. Lots of good, actually very good things have been already said, thanks to all. Especially when Swamiji's messages related to the questions asked are sent or someone replies quoting Swamiji, I don't feel like answering (just out of respect) so I am just saying few things in general. I am merely a communication medium/instrument - I convey what my Babaji has explained (nothing is mine and if you talk to Baba, he will say nothing is His either as ALL comes from God - the ultimate!) regarding the questions asked (it seems like all aspirants have common questions during their journey so all guru figures have answered them one way or the other... :-)) Please read previously written email from the archive (# 142). To remain in correct understanding will help not to see the inert world - the futility of the world. What I have found out that 'neti neti' and 'eti eti' comes to the same conclusion even though the approach for one to exclued all and others to include all...!!!!! It has been very interesting to reach to this conclusion!!!!!!!! To see God in ALL takes time as we remain so engrossed in the material world. First of all we need to see God in us - within ourselves, only then we can think of all. Depending on our association / attachment with the world eventually it dawns on us. In other worlds, more attached we are with this body and world, longer it takes for us to understand even God within, forget about others...! Sadhana that helps you transform, that suits your temperament, that calms down your mind - Any and every way reaches the ultimate. In the beginning it is common to even shop for what suits your temperament, but once you found out that your transformation has started following certain sadhana, it is good to stick to it and continue with it. Have lots and lots of PATIENCE as nothing is attained if we rush. Rushing is a sign of restlessness. To understand God one has to really have calm mind and that requires patience. God is always there, the union is ever present but due to our restless mind and ignorance, we make lot of efforts unnecessarily to realize what is already present and existent! To take refuge in God is the best and easiest of all (18:66) but our intelligence & ego doesn't allow it easily. Our inquiring mind & intelligence need to be convinced of it so adopt any path that suits your temperament - the ultimate is still the complete surrender! Pleasant and non-pleasant are our own creation. If we remain positive (again our own creation) towards unpleasant situations, they will not seem so unpleasant. In sickness, we always chant God's name more than otherwise so please don't get agitated due to sickness. Similarly, in heart breaking failures, God gives us opportunities to evaluate our friendships and relationships, see the futility of them, see how you have developed strengths to face the failure, how you have developed courage to go through the situations you have gone through and evolved as a new human being. If one remains positive about so called negative situation, one will not be so agitated or restless. Most of the times whom we think to be our beloved or close relatives (spouse, children, friends, uncle-aunt, etc.) they are the ones creating lots of hurdle in our saadhana so think them as your stepping stone because you have to rise above all of it...!!! Just make it your goal like no matter how much my wife/husband aggravates me, I will not respond to her/his invitation for quarrel... :-) One has no control over others so the best thing is to evaluate our own self - what is it that is making us frustrating? Angry? Depressed? Find out the true reasons behind it within yourself first. For example, if I think someone is making me angry - why someone? It is my weak mind that becomes angry or it is my expectations from others that is making me angry, or it is my desire that is not getting fulfilled making me angry..., so I must conquer my anger first. I had said this before also - consider us being in a Vishwa Vidhyala - all of us put together just to learn, learn & learn - evolve together, forced to evolve together. If the other person that we don't like or unpleasant situation doesn't exist the way it does, we would have missed out the opportunity to be the way we are towards the God!!! All of these efforts take time (Yoganandaji said that to completely remove any habit it takes somewhere around 12 years!) so have Patience. Babaji gives beautiful example - 100th stroke will break the stone. All prior 99 stokes will make it look like the stone will never break, useless efforts, wastage of energy, etc. but all these strokes are breaking the stone from within/inside and the 100th one will break it apart - in other words, all our efforts will eventually result in a visible transformation!!! Please continue with patience. Those who loose patience looses everything!!!!! With patience, faith is very important. Baba reminds me of this story - two devotees were praying under two nearby trees. Celestial Sage Naradaji happens to be passing by so these devotees asked him where is he going? Naradaji said to visit Lord Vishnu. They both requested him to ask Lord when will they be realized? Lord said to Naradaji that the first devotee will realize me in few hundred lives and the second one will realize me after 20 years! While returning back Naradaji reached to the 2nd person first and communicated the message from Lord. The 2nd person got so much frustrated and disappointed he said that I have been doing sadhanaa for so long I still have to wait 20 more years???!!!???!!! So he quit his sadhanaa, had no more patience!!! Now Naradaji reached the 1st person. After seeing what happened to the 2nd person he was very hesitant to answer to the 1st person. He started giving solace to this person and said that Lord had said that you will realize in few hundred lives... The moment he heard this he started dancing in joy - by this he was convinced that he will be realized - Lord himself has given assurance and with this faith while in ecstatic dance he got into samadhi and realized God!!! Life can be a literal life of taking human birth-death, it can be every inhalation and exhalation or it can be every moment we remain in existence because every moment is unique - one can not live the same moment again, one has to die in every moment!!!!!!!!!!!!!! So faith and patience with a positive attitude are very very important in spiritual life... Love always, at Thy Holy Feet from where faith, patience and positive attitude flows... On 7/26/06, mdoshi2 <mdoshi2 wrote: Shree HariRam Ram1) How is one not to see the inert world (sansaar) and only seeGod? Does Gita say anything more specific than in Gita 7:19? 2) On one hand Swamiji says " We are only God's and only God isours, " and at other times He says " Everything is God " (All is God).Which one should we believe and follow? It is confusing, because the bhava for each is different.3) " We are part of God... " is mentioned in Gita 15:7, where else isthis theme most predominant elsewhere in the Gita?4) Many times (rather majority of the times) I am unable to see God (Vasudev) in those around me. Most times I see the situations,events, things, people in this world as 'DUKKHAALAI " (filled withsorrow). If that is the case, should I forget about Vasudeva Sarvambhava? 5) How do we know which sadhana is right for us? If one is notinclined towards the world and mostly inclined towards God.. then inthe Bhakti marg (path of devotion) which bhava is recommended?4) Whatever form God comes to us in, Swamiji has said that one way to see Him is as shaakshaat Vasudeva (God)? It this reallypossible? Will it ever be possible? How is it possible? It seemslike He comes more often in forms that are not so pleasant(sickness, fighting, arguing, selfishness, self-centeredness, giving pain, sorrow, laziness, inconsideration, not helping, causingfrustration. At times it is an overwhelming feeling that is neverending and it goes on and on and on...)OH PLEASE HELP!!!A sadhak Ram Ram Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 20, 2006 Report Share Posted August 20, 2006 " Dheeraj Verma " <dheerajverma.> Sat Aug 19, 2006 10:31 am Krishna: Chapter 11 Sloka 5,6,7,8,9,10 , 11,12,13 IN ENGLISH Interesting find.... Sloka 5: God says to Arjun: Now behold Me in thousands of My multifarious divine forms of diverse colors and shapes. Sloka 6: Behold me in My many marvellous forms never seen or heard before. Sloka 7: Oh Arjun ! Behold in this body of Mine, the entire creation both animate and inanimate and also whatever else you dessire to see. Sloka 8: Oh Brother, but you can not see Me with these gross, material eyes; therefore I bestow upon you divine eyes. With these eyes, behold My divine power. Sloka 9: Sanjay said : Having thus spoken the great Lord of Yoga revealed to Arjun His Supreme Divine Form. Sloka 10 & 11: God revealed the form possessing many mouths and eyes, with many a wonderful sights, with many divine ornaments, wielding many uplifted divine weapons, wearing divine garlands and clothes, besmeared all over with divine sandal-paste, all wonderful, infinite having faces on all sides. Sloka 12: If the splendor of a thousand suns were to blaze forth all at once in the sky, even that would hardly be like the splendor of the Cosmic Form Sloka 13: Arjun beheld in the person of that Supreme Deity, comprised in one limb the whole universe with its manifold divisions. IN HINDI Sloka 5: Bhagwan ne kaha : He Arjun ! Ab tum mere aishwarya ko , jo ki hazaron prakar ke devi devta tatha Vivid rangon wale rupon ko dekho. Sloka 6: He Bharat ! Lo tum Adityon , Rudron , Aswnikumaron tatha Anya Devtaon ke vibhin rup ko yahan dekho.Tum aise anek ascharyamay Rupon ko dekho Jinhe pehle Kisi Ne Na to Kabhi Dekha Hai Na Suna Hai Sloka 7: He Arjun ! Tum jo bhi dekhna chaho use tatchan mere is sharir mein dekho . Tum is samay tatha bhavisya mein bhi Jo bhi dekhna chahte ho , usko yeh Vishwarup dikhane wala hai. Yahan ek hi sthan par char achar sab kuch hai. Sloka 8: Kintu tum apni ankhon se nahin dekh sakte. Atha mein tumhe Divya Ankhen De raha hoon. Ab mere yog aishwarya ko dekho. Sloka 9: Sanjay Ne Kaha : He Raja ! Is Prakar kahkar MAHA YOGESHWAR Bhagwan Ne arjun Ko Apna Vishwaroop Dikhlaya. Sloka 10 & 11: Arjun ne us Vishwarup mein asankhya mukh asnakhya Netra tatha Asankhya Ascharyamay drihya dekhe. Yeh roop anek devi abhooshano se alankrit tha aur anek Devi hathiyar Uthaye hue tha.Yeh Devi Malayen tatha vastra dharan kiye tha aur us par anek divya sugnadhiyan lagi hui thi.Sab kuch Ascharyamay , Tejasmay , Asim tatha Sarvatra vyapt tha. Sloka 12: Yadi Aakash mein hazaron surya eksaath uday hon to unka prakash shayad parampursh ke is Vishwaroop ke tej ki samta kar sake. Sloka 13: Us samay arjun ke Bhagwan ke Viswha Roop mein ek hi sthan par hazaron bhagon mein Vibhakt Bramhand ke anant Anshon ko Dekh Saka. Jai Hind , " Manjula Patel " <manjumaa wrote: > > Loving Divine, > Pranam. > Lots of good, actually very good things have been already said, thanks to > all. Especially when Swamiji's messages related to the questions asked are > sent or someone replies quoting Swamiji, I don't feel like answering (just > out of respect) so I am just saying few things in general. > > I am merely a communication medium/instrument - I convey what my Babaji has > explained (nothing is mine and if you talk to Baba, he will say nothing is > His either as ALL comes from God - the ultimate!) regarding the questions > asked (it seems like all aspirants have common questions during their > journey so all guru figures have answered them one way or the other... :-)) > > Please read previously written email from the archive (# 142). To remain in > correct understanding will help not to see the inert world - the futility of > the world. > > What I have found out that 'neti neti' and 'eti eti' comes to the same > conclusion even though the approach for one to exclued all and others to > include all...!!!!! It has been very interesting to reach to this > conclusion!!!!!!!! > > To see God in ALL takes time as we remain so engrossed in the material > world. First of all we need to see God in us - within ourselves, only then > we can think of all. Depending on our association / attachment with the > world eventually it dawns on us. In other worlds, more attached we are with > this body and world, longer it takes for us to understand even God within, > forget about others...! > > Sadhana that helps you transform, that suits your temperament, that calms > down your mind - Any and every way reaches the ultimate. In the beginning > it is common to even shop for what suits your temperament, but once you > found out that your transformation has started following certain sadhana, it > is good to stick to it and continue with it. Have lots and lots of PATIENCE > as nothing is attained if we rush. Rushing is a sign of restlessness. To > understand God one has to really have calm mind and that requires patience. > God is always there, the union is ever present but due to our restless mind > and ignorance, we make lot of efforts unnecessarily to realize what is > already present and existent! To take refuge in God is the best and easiest > of all (18:66) but our intelligence & ego doesn't allow it easily. Our > inquiring mind & intelligence need to be convinced of it so adopt any path > that suits your temperament - the ultimate is still the complete surrender! > > Pleasant and non-pleasant are our own creation. If we remain positive > (again our own creation) towards unpleasant situations, they will not seem > so unpleasant. In sickness, we always chant God's name more than otherwise > so please don't get agitated due to sickness. Similarly, in heart breaking > failures, God gives us opportunities to evaluate our friendships and > relationships, see the futility of them, see how you have developed > strengths to face the failure, how you have developed courage to go through > the situations you have gone through and evolved as a new human being. If > one remains positive about so called negative situation, one will not be so > agitated or restless. Most of the times whom we think to be our beloved or > close relatives (spouse, children, friends, uncle-aunt, etc.) they are the > ones creating lots of hurdle in our saadhana so think them as your stepping > stone because you have to rise above all of it...!!! Just make it your goal > like no matter how much my wife/husband aggravates me, I will not respond to > her/his invitation for quarrel... :-) One has no control over others so the > best thing is to evaluate our own self - what is it that is making us > frustrating? Angry? Depressed? Find out the true reasons behind it within > yourself first. For example, if I think someone is making me angry - why > someone? It is my weak mind that becomes angry or it is my expectations > from others that is making me angry, or it is my desire that is not getting > fulfilled making me angry..., so I must conquer my anger first. I had said > this before also - consider us being in a Vishwa Vidhyala - all of us put > together just to learn, learn & learn - evolve together, forced to evolve > together. If the other person that we don't like or unpleasant situation > doesn't exist the way it does, we would have missed out the opportunity to > be the way we are towards the God!!! All of these efforts take time > (Yoganandaji said that to completely remove any habit it takes somewhere > around 12 years!) so have Patience. > > Babaji gives beautiful example - 100th stroke will break the stone. All > prior 99 stokes will make it look like the stone will never break, useless > efforts, wastage of energy, etc. but all these strokes are breaking the > stone from within/inside and the 100th one will break it apart - in other > words, all our efforts will eventually result in a visible > transformation!!! Please continue with patience. Those who loose patience > looses everything!!!!! > > With patience, faith is very important. Baba reminds me of this story - two > devotees were praying under two nearby trees. Celestial Sage Naradaji > happens to be passing by so these devotees asked him where is he going? > Naradaji said to visit Lord Vishnu. They both requested him to ask Lord > when will they be realized? Lord said to Naradaji that the first devotee > will realize me in few hundred lives and the second one will realize me > after 20 years! While returning back Naradaji reached to the 2nd person > first and communicated the message from Lord. The 2nd person got so much > frustrated and disappointed he said that I have been doing sadhanaa for so > long I still have to wait 20 more years???!!!???!!! So he quit his > sadhanaa, had no more patience!!! Now Naradaji reached the 1st person. > After seeing what happened to the 2nd person he was very hesitant to answer > to the 1st person. He started giving solace to this person and said that > Lord had said that you will realize in few hundred lives... The moment he > heard this he started dancing in joy - by this he was convinced that he will > be realized - Lord himself has given assurance and with this faith while in > ecstatic dance he got into samadhi and realized God!!! Life can be a > literal life of taking human birth-death, it can be every inhalation and > exhalation or it can be every moment we remain in existence because every > moment is unique - one can not live the same moment again, one has to die in > every moment!!!!!!!!!!!!!! So faith and patience with a positive attitude > are very very important in spiritual life... > > Love always, > at Thy Holy Feet from where faith, patience and positive attitude flows... > > > On 7/26/06, mdoshi2 <mdoshi2 wrote: > > > > Shree Hari > > Ram Ram > > > > 1) How is one not to see the inert world (sansaar) and only see > > God? Does Gita say anything more specific than in Gita 7:19? > > > > 2) On one hand Swamiji says " We are only God's and only God is > > ours, " and at other times He says " Everything is God " (All is God). > > Which one should we believe and follow? It is confusing, because > > the bhava for each is different. > > > > 3) " We are part of God... " is mentioned in Gita 15:7, where else is > > this theme most predominant elsewhere in the Gita? > > > > 4) Many times (rather majority of the times) I am unable to see God > > (Vasudev) in those around me. Most times I see the situations, > > events, things, people in this world as 'DUKKHAALAI " (filled with > > sorrow). If that is the case, should I forget about Vasudeva Sarvam > > bhava? > > > > 5) How do we know which sadhana is right for us? If one is not > > inclined towards the world and mostly inclined towards God.. then in > > the Bhakti marg (path of devotion) which bhava is recommended? > > > > 4) Whatever form God comes to us in, Swamiji has said that one way > > to see Him is as shaakshaat Vasudeva (God)? It this really > > possible? Will it ever be possible? How is it possible? It seems > > like He comes more often in forms that are not so pleasant > > (sickness, fighting, arguing, selfishness, self-centeredness, giving > > pain, sorrow, laziness, inconsideration, not helping, causing > > frustration. At times it is an overwhelming feeling that is never > > ending and it goes on and on and on...) > > > > OH PLEASE HELP!!! > > > > A sadhak > > > > Ram Ram > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2007 Report Share Posted January 7, 2007 " pratapbhatt " Dear Sadhakji, namaste from fellow sadhak! I am sharing my understanding of Gita without quoting specific verse, please forgive me! Our main difficulty may be that we see Krishna as separate from His creation and then classify his creation into lower and higher species. When I take Krishna to be this Impersonal Consciousness (Existence absolute, Being of all beings) I see no difficulty in simultaneously seeing Krishna in hearts of all living beings and also at the same time all in His heart as Him. Creator and its creation are ONE single, undivided Consciousness, the only reality. And its not difficult to experience it if we give up notion that we are individual jivas or souls. In ignorance(like in dream) we think we are individual jiva, but its only a belief. We are all pervading Atman who has mistakenly identified with specific body-mind called jiva. We give up this notion then our actions come from wholeness - Krishna Another point: According to Gita, when one does duty according to Dharma, it is serving God only, they are not two things. If we see Ishwara everywhere, we don't have to detach from anything. God can be served thru all living and inanimate things. (Krishna loved cows, all devas have animals as their vehicles). Another notion is that we think we are attached to material world and they bind us. This is not correct when examined. We are attached to our own ideas of what materials, people give us - comforts, security, love etc. We are never attached to things but to " me " only as what is in it for me? " Therefore material/people cannot bind us it is us that give them power. To be detached is to Love unconditionally the very same people we want to be detached from! It is in this way that Krishna says to detach from spouse, or children, parents, friends etc. So Krishna is not saying to love/serve him more than others because there is no others! One may in the beginning emphasize by telling sadhaka that Love God to the exclusion of all. This is to get his/her attention on God first. Ultimately at some point Sadhak has to figure out what it means to serve God, an image in our mind of what God is which depends on our conditioning only or That which is personalized as Krishna but to be realized as Impersonal Being - Consciousness-I am, my true identity. Namaste from Bandhu sadhaka , " mdoshi2 " <mdoshi2 wrote: > > Shree Hari > Ram Ram > > 1) How is one not to see the inert world (sansaar) and only see > God? Does Gita say anything more specific than in Gita 7:19? > > 2) On one hand Swamiji says " We are only God's and only God is > ours, " and at other times He says " Everything is God " (All is God). > Which one should we believe and follow? It is confusing, because > the bhava for each is different. > > 3) " We are part of God... " is mentioned in Gita 15:7, where else is > this theme most predominant elsewhere in the Gita? > > 4) Many times (rather majority of the times) I am unable to see God > (Vasudev) in those around me. Most times I see the situations, > events, things, people in this world as 'DUKKHAALAI " (filled with > sorrow). If that is the case, should I forget about Vasudeva Sarvam > bhava? > > 5) How do we know which sadhana is right for us? If one is not > inclined towards the world and mostly inclined towards God.. then in > the Bhakti marg (path of devotion) which bhava is recommended? > > 4) Whatever form God comes to us in, Swamiji has said that one way > to see Him is as shaakshaat Vasudeva (God)? It this really > possible? Will it ever be possible? How is it possible? It seems > like He comes more often in forms that are not so pleasant > (sickness, fighting, arguing, selfishness, self-centeredness, giving > pain, sorrow, laziness, inconsideration, not helping, causing > frustration. At times it is an overwhelming feeling that is never > ending and it goes on and on and on...) > > OH PLEASE HELP!!! > > A sadhak > > Ram Ram > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 9, 2007 Report Share Posted January 9, 2007 Dear Sadhak, Pranam. You have raised very important questions which often haunts me also. Sadhak Sanjeevani shloka 66 explaination by Swami Ramsukhdas has helped me a lot in this regard. Also there are various pravachanas in Hindi on the site www.swamiramsukhdasji.org related to bhakti and sharanagati, which have immensely helped me. I have struggled a lot against all these tendencies and questions, as well as doubts, but none of my struggle helped. Whenever I surrenderwith tears in my eyes, accepting my ignorance and weakness, being totally dependent on Lord, I have got solace and all these questions and doubts have dissolved. Swami ji has often said whenever haunted by such doubts, pain, etc. just cry for the Lord, He is ever ready to help people in their spiritual paths. Intellectual answers to the questions are also helpful but when combined with disperate surrender, it works wonders. Yogesh On 1/7/07, sadhak_insight <sadhak_insight wrote: " pratapbhatt " Dear Sadhakji, namaste from fellow sadhak! I am sharing my understanding of Gita without quoting specific verse, please forgive me! Our main difficulty may be that we see Krishna as separate from His creation and then classify his creation into lower and higher species. When I take Krishna to be this Impersonal Consciousness(Existence absolute, Being of all beings) I see no difficulty in simultaneously seeing Krishna in hearts of all living beings and also at the same time all in His heart as Him. Creator and its creation are ONE single, undivided Consciousness, the only reality. And its not difficult to experience it if we give up notion that we are individual jivas or souls. In ignorance(like in dream) we think we are individual jiva, but its only a belief. We are all pervading Atman who has mistakenly identified with specific body-mind called jiva. We give up this notion then our actions come from wholeness - Krishna Another point: According to Gita, when one does duty according to Dharma, it is serving God only, they are not two things. If we see Ishwara everywhere, we don't have to detach from anything. God can be served thru all living and inanimate things. (Krishna loved cows, all devas have animals as their vehicles). Another notion is that we think we are attached to material world and they bind us. This is not correct when examined. We are attached to our own ideas of what materials, people give us - comforts, security, love etc. We are never attached to things but to " me " only as what is in it for me? " Therefore material/people cannot bind us it is us that give them power. To be detached is to Love unconditionally the very same people we want to be detached from! It is in this way that Krishna says to detach from spouse, or children, parents, friends etc. So Krishna is not saying to love/serve him more than others because there is no others! One may in the beginning emphasize by telling sadhaka that Love God to the exclusion of all. This is to get his/her attention on God first. Ultimately at some point Sadhak has to figure out what it means to serve God, an image in our mind of what God is which depends on our conditioning only or That which is personalized as Krishna but to be realized as Impersonal Being -Consciousness-I am, my true identity. Namaste from Bandhu sadhaka , " mdoshi2 " <mdoshi2 wrote: >> Shree Hari> Ram Ram> > 1) How is one not to see the inert world (sansaar) and only see> God? Does Gita say anything more specific than in Gita 7:19?> > 2) On one hand Swamiji says " We are only God's and only God is > ours, " and at other times He says " Everything is God " (All is God).> Which one should we believe and follow? It is confusing, because> the bhava for each is different.> > 3) " We are part of God... " is mentioned in Gita 15:7, where else is> this theme most predominant elsewhere in the Gita?> > 4) Many times (rather majority of the times) I am unable to see God> (Vasudev) in those around me. Most times I see the situations, > events, things, people in this world as 'DUKKHAALAI " (filled with> sorrow). If that is the case, should I forget about Vasudeva Sarvam> bhava?> > 5) How do we know which sadhana is right for us? If one is not > inclined towards the world and mostly inclined towards God.. then in> the Bhakti marg (path of devotion) which bhava is recommended?> > 4) Whatever form God comes to us in, Swamiji has said that one way > to see Him is as shaakshaat Vasudeva (God)? It this really> possible? Will it ever be possible? How is it possible? It seems> like He comes more often in forms that are not so pleasant> (sickness, fighting, arguing, selfishness, self-centeredness, giving> pain, sorrow, laziness, inconsideration, not helping, causing> frustration. At times it is an overwhelming feeling that is never> ending and it goes on and on and on...)> > OH PLEASE HELP!!! > > A sadhak> > Ram Ram> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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