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Dear Manjula

Patel

Pranam

Prem is a condition of united (or undivided) mind amongst those in love.

For example, child and mother (with inseparable understanding) can do just anything

as their minds, interests and goals are one. Life and death cannot separate

them, and their love is extremely courageous and responsible.

 

In love, they are at liberty, and with a greater

sense of commitment. Love is certainly more than just emotion. For example; Sri

Krishna was beaten up by mother Yashoda several times,

only for the sake of love of one another. She knew and Sri Krishna also knew what

is a limit and reason of being Him beaten up.

 

Those in love do not see each other face

to face; but in the same direction (see UPDRASTAnu

MANTA CH). See Sri Krishna’s secret technique of MAN MANA BHAV (be my

mind be yours) of Bhakti.

 

In a state of BIYOG (separation) or loss

of connection or YOG BRHASTA (broken connection), emotions or boiling of memory

takes place. This is an act of cleaning of all other impressions, and brings

one back into a state of understanding and solitude. After the connection is established again,

the BIYOG ends, and one is in control of him/herself.

 

Regards

K G Misra

 

 

 

 

 

On Behalf

Of Manjula Patel

Wednesday, September 13,

2006 1:49 AM

 

Fwd: Let's

expand our horizon w/Gitaji - how 2 b dettached: relations-emotions-attach't?

(3 of 8 emails)

 

 

Divine All,

 

 

Pranam.

 

 

A thought/feeling came today on what is true love as

lately we all have been talking about love...

 

 

See my understanding of it below in Red.

Thanks.

 

 

Humble regards,

 

 

always at Thy Loving Feet

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Manjula Patel

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Aug 27, 2006 12:58 AM

Let's expand our horizon w/Gitaji - how 2 b

dettached: relations-emotions-attach't? (3 of 8 emails)

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Loving Divine,

 

 

Pranam.

 

 

We have very good discussions going on with various

questions asked in this group. Thanks to all for their participation and

the Moderator for facilitation.

 

 

 

 

 

We all say and agree that we need to be detached but

the key concern is 'HOW?', isn't it? To address various topics of

detachment I have divided them into 8 emails so we can discuss them

individually. I have also tried to provide Gita sloka or chapter or a

term/word used that have addressed them but Gitaji has lot more to

offer...!!! I am a strong believer that the RIGHT UNDERSTANDING is

the ONLY way that can lead us to true and deeper level of

detachment. So let's expand our horizon together with Gitaji and

supportive examples where applicable. Let's pour out

our understanding and experiences on how to be truly

detached with love & compassion - the true application of Gitaji in our life.

 

 

 

 

 

Chapter 1 - Vishaad

Yoga

 

 

 

 

 

(Please note: provide related Gita Sloka 1st,

support it with examples from other scriptures if needed)

 

 

Please discuss...

 

 

 

 

1) What is relationship? Does mind &

heart have to do with it?

 

 

2) What is its basis? Can one be free from

relationship? if I say I am not related to you but the other person

strongly believes that i am your husband or wife or son or sister, can this

still bind the person who thinks he/she is free?

 

 

3) What is emotion? Is this purely a heart thing or

only mind has to do all with it?

 

 

4) How emotions are generated? Can they be

controlled? Can one be free of them? How?

 

 

5) Prem-bhakti, compassion, kindness - aren't these emotions?

 

 

 

We always

notice that the term 'love/prem' is used very generically, loosely to

express liking, attachment, passion, lust, emotions, compassion, kindness, etc.

but are they truly reflect love? If not, why we want to associate with

the emotions and not seek the true love by surrendering completely to Lord

(18:62-/66)? In spiritual path, I think, the word 'love' carries completely

a different meaning... Again, what I am going to say is just my

understanding of what Baba has been talking all about 'love'. when one

has completely surrender him/herself to Lord, he/she is at the height of

their love. When seer, seen and seeing becomes one OR 'Jyaan, jyaataa aur jyeya athava kartaa, karan aur

karma jab ek ho jaate hen tab sacche prem kaa udaya hotaa hai! (18:18)'

That means when the lover (premi), loving (prem) and loved

(premikaa) are one and the same, it gives birth to the true love like

Radha became Krishna or Mira became Gopal loving him. Their true love

manifested not for the object of their love but they themselves became

love. As soon as you think of these figures you can not separate them

form their act of love and the object of love!!! When one is in this

stage, one is truly one with all, that is true love (11:55)!!! So it is

not emotion rather umm..., rather the being ITSELF; and out of it springs the

emotions of kindness and compassion - the saatvik gunas!

 

 

 

 

 

Again we are to

apply everything that we discuss to our own self as we promised ourselves to

look within... so let's see how it would fit... When I seek

knowledge - not of the world but myself, I become jyaataa. The knowledge

of myself becomes jyaan and act of knowing, i.e., self realization or to know

'who am I?' becomes jyeya but all of it at the end is one and the same as 'I',

i.e., I am jyaata, I am jyaan and I am the jyeya then only I am capable of

manifesting true love (I am the lover, loving, & the beloved of my

true self)... Hope I am making some sense in what I am saying...

 

 

 

 

 

(to be

continued... Plz share your thoughts, understanding, experiences to

expand our horizon. Thanks.)

 

 

 

 

 

 

6) Is 'moksha' not a feeling too?

 

 

7) Can a person truly live without any emotions?

Should he/she?

 

 

8) What is attachment & detachment?

 

 

 

 

 

Thanks in advance for your participation.

 

 

Love.

 

 

always at Thy Loving Feet