Guest guest Posted October 23, 2006 Report Share Posted October 23, 2006 respected I need clarification re non-violence In Bhagavad Gita Lord tells Arjuna that you are Kshatriya, and hence you will fight. You simply cannot avoid fighting. Is it that we are born to do violence? On the other hand there is proclamation - Ahimsa Parmo Dharam Gita says that we must fight to uphold righteousness. In today's war both parties claim that they are just and right the other person is unjust. How do we ordinary people decide who is right and who is wrong in family matters also do we go by the same principle do we allow violence if the other member of family is unjust? Were Mahatma Gandhi, Christ and Buddha wrong when they advocated non-violence ? How best can we promote non-violence in today's world? Violence begets violence and we are witnessing a huge loss of life and property! with respectful pranams dr badlani Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 23, 2006 Report Share Posted October 23, 2006 Gita bhaktas; Re: Violence A knife in a surgeon's hand is totally different from that of a thief. Use of a weapon by those directed by God is not killing.' Na hanyate hanyamane na shariree'. Krishna directed Arjuna and removed the unnecessary paddy in the field of Kurukshetra. In the case of the world today it may seem that one religion is pitted against another, but can we say that the soldiers are obedient to the will of the Supreme? Without the presence of the Lord on the battlefield the will of God has to be heard from His true representatives. Those who are actually following the Gita to the word , whose lives are living examples of surrender and service to Shree Krishna , who are done with material lust and greed, who are devoted without motive can be the perfect mediums for knowing the Lord's will. But politicians motivated by greed and envy can hardly be the perfect men to direct a nation. The leader of the country should be the most intelligent devotee. He should be a devotee first and politician last. We should see to it that proper persons are put in leadership roles as Shree Krishna also saw to it that the Pandavas were given the power of ruling. We should know the character of the men we vote into office. Men lacking in self-control, can we expect them to be able to spend our tax-money wisely? Can they be followed if they themselves are going to hell by their behavior? We are living in Kali yuga and such a time is beset with hypocrisy and quarrel. To revolt against such acts, following the words of Shree Krishna and other great Souls is our only hope for the world future. With the blessings of Shree Krishna, may we be inspired to bring forth leaders based on dharma, because if we do not take the role of leaders then we have to accept the leadership of adharmic men. Avadhoot EDITED BY MODERATOR "HGBADLANI" <HGBADLANI Sent: Monday, October 23, 2006 6:07:56 AM Non-Violence respected I need clarification re non-violence In Bhagavad Gita Lord tells Arjuna that you are Kshatriya, and hence you will fight. You simply cannot avoid fighting. Is it that we are born to do violence? On the other hand there is proclamation - Ahimsa Parmo Dharam Gita says that we must fight to uphold righteousness. In today's war both parties claim that they are just and right the other person is unjust. How do we ordinary people decide who is right and who is wrong in family matters also do we go by the same principle do we allow violence if the other member of family is unjust? Were Mahatma Gandhi, Christ and Buddha wrong when they advocated non-violence ? How best can we promote non-violence in today's world? Violence begets violence and we are witnessing a huge loss of life and property! with respectful pranams dr badlani Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 24, 2006 Report Share Posted October 24, 2006 Hari OM. Bhagavad Gita according to me teaches and trains us to manage the three gunas. Krishna talks about a stable mind. We can be unaffected by anything that happens around us and this can happen only when we are in Nirguna. A state of non Violence is the best situation. But when everyone did everything to curb the activity of Pandavas, when Dhuryodhana acted as a beast and humiliated Dhraupadi, Krishna asks Arjuna to take the weapon against adharma. Hari Om HGBADLANI wrote: respected I need clarification re non-violence In Bhagavad Gita Lord tells Arjuna that you are Kshatriya, and hence you will fight. You simply cannot avoid fighting. Is it that we are born to do violence? On the other hand there is proclamation - Ahimsa Parmo Dharam Gita says that we must fight to uphold righteousness. In today's war both parties claim that they are just and right the other person is unjust. How do we ordinary people decide who is right and who is wrong in family matters also do we go by the same principle do we allow violence if the other member of family is unjust? Were Mahatma Gandhi, Christ and Buddha wrong when they advocated non-violence ? How best can we promote non-violence in today's world? Violence begets violence and we are witnessing a huge loss of life and property! with respectful pranams dr badlani Everyone is raving about the all-new Mail. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 29, 2006 Report Share Posted October 29, 2006 Hare Krishnapranams Some references related to violence & non-violence. Hare Krishna.1) DESTRUCTIVE WORK IS BASED ON VIOLENCE - Irresponsible work is destructive because it destroys the regulative principles of scriptural injunction. It is often based on violence and is distressing to other living entities. Such irresponsible work is carried out in the light of one's personal experience. This is called illusion. And all such illusory work is a product of the mode of ignorance.2) IT IS A SYMPTOM OF ANGER - The eight symptoms of anger are slander, rash action, enmity, envy on seeing the progress of others, bearing grudges, wasting money, harsh words, unjustified violence.3) A DUTY OF A BRAHMACARI IS TO LEARN NON-VIOLENCE - "To serve the spiritual master the disciple should learn cleanliness, austerity, tolerance, silence, study of Vedic knowledge, simplicity, celibacy, non-violence, and equanimity in the face of material dualities such as heat and cold, happiness and distress4) Non-violence is the main religious duty of a sannyasa5) ONE FREE FROM VIOLENCE IS A VAISNAVA - Those who are free from lust, anger, arrogance, violence, greed, delusion, are Vaisnavas.6) WHERE ARGUMENTS FAIL VIOLENCE IS NECESSARY - Lord Krsna and Arjuna, the Lord’s eternal friend, had no need to fight in the Battle of Kuruksetra, but they fought to teach people in general that violence is also necessary in a situation where good arguments fail.7) VIOLENCE IS NOT PRESENT IN THE BODY OF KRISHNA BUT WHEN SOMETIMES IS THEN IT BECOMES AN EXCELLENT QUALITY - The eighteen condemned qualities of illusion, laziness, error, taste for material enjoyment, intense lust, fickleness, arrogance, envy, violence, exertion, lamentation, dishonesty, anger, longing, fear, illusion of supporting the whole world, partiality, and dependency on others are not present in the body of the Lord. But in compliance to the krpa sakti however, even these qualities become present sometimes in the various avataras such as Rama and Krsna and become realized by the devotees as excellent qualities. (Madhurya Kadambini 8)To be continuedard Low, Low, Low Rates! Check out Messenger's cheap PC-to-Phone call rates. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 1, 2006 Report Share Posted November 1, 2006 Thank you for sharing. If I may add: Should we not address and resolve who we really are first so that all these seeming problems of violence cease? Problems are wrong perceptions of ourselves as being separate individuals, right? This ignorance leads to all problems including violence, right? Why do we restrict non-violence to only Brahmacharis, and Sanyasis only? Shouldn't all of us Grahasthas also be non-violent? WHen we are free from Violence why call us Vaisnavas? Isn't our true identity is Consciousness-Atman? DOn't we have to be free from being Vaisnavas too? When we realize our true nature as suddha Atman experiencially, which is all intelligence, then this Intelligence is going to act thru us as it did thru Arjuna and Krishna in the battle field. We need not revert to violence when arguments fail, but we need to act in accordance with this intelligence which may inspire our body-mind instruments to take action, be it of seemingly violence or non-violence. I thinnk this way......Pratap --- avadhuta raya <bodisatva_108 wrote: > Hare Krishna > pranams > > I found some notes on violence & non-violence and I > am giving them to you now for consideration. Hare > Krishna. > > 1) DESTRUCTIVE WORK IS BASED ON VIOLENCE - > Irresponsible work is destructive because it > destroys the regulative principles of scriptural > injunction. It is often based on violence and is > distressing to other living entities. Such > irresponsible work is carried out in the light of > one's personal experience. This is called illusion. > And all such illusory work is a product of the mode > of ignorance. > > 2) IT IS A SYMPTOM OF ANGER - The eight symptoms of > anger are slander, rash action, enmity, envy on > seeing the progress of others, bearing grudges, > wasting money, harsh words, unjustified violence. > > 3) A DUTY OF A BRAHMACARI IS TO LEARN NON-VIOLENCE - > " To serve the spiritual master the disciple should > learn cleanliness, austerity, tolerance, silence, > study of Vedic knowledge, simplicity, celibacy, > non-violence, and equanimity in the face of material > dualities such as heat and cold, happiness and > distress > > 4) Non-violence is the main religious duty of a > sannyasa > > 5) ONE FREE FROM VIOLENCE IS A VAISNAVA - Those who > are free from lust, anger, arrogance, violence, > greed, delusion, are Vaisnavas. > > 6) WHERE ARGUMENTS FAIL VIOLENCE IS NECESSARY - Lord > Krsna and Arjuna, the Lord’s eternal friend, had no > need to fight in the Battle of Kuruksetra, but they > fought to teach people in general that violence is > also necessary in a situation where good arguments > fail. > > 7) VIOLENCE IS NOT PRESENT IN THE BODY OF KRISHNA > BUT WHEN SOMETIMES IS THEN IT BECOMES AN EXCELLENT > QUALITY - The eighteen condemned qualities of > illusion, laziness, error, taste for material > enjoyment, intense lust, fickleness, arrogance, > envy, violence, exertion, lamentation, dishonesty, > anger, longing, fear, illusion of supporting the > whole world, partiality, and dependency on others > are not present in the body of the Lord. But in > compliance to the krpa sakti however, even these > qualities become present sometimes in the various > avataras such as Rama and Krsna and become realized > by the devotees as excellent qualities. (Madhurya > Kadambini 8) > > To be continued > ard > > > > > > Low, Low, Low Rates! Check out Messenger's > cheap PC-to-Phone call rates. ______________________________\ ____ Access over 1 million songs - Music Unlimited (http://music./unlimited) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 2, 2006 Report Share Posted November 2, 2006 Mr Bhatts suggestion is a wakeup call. It always has been. Sharing that wisdom is the highest service because that is the real desire of Consciousness. Every parent, every teacher must be encouraged to determine the truth by experience. It is possible, just by listening to an enlightened master; like Arjun listened to Krishna. Anup Wadhwa On 11/1/06, Pratap Bhatt <pratapbhatt wrote: Thank you for sharing. If I may add: Should we notaddress and resolve who we really are first so that all these seeming problems of violence cease? Problemsare wrong perceptions of ourselves as being separateindividuals, right? This ignorance leads to allproblems including violence, right?Why do we restrict non-violence to only Brahmacharis, and Sanyasis only? Shouldn't all of us Grahasthas alsobe non-violent?WHen we are free from Violence why call us Vaisnavas?Isn't our true identity is Consciousness-Atman? DOn'twe have to be free from being Vaisnavas too? When we realize our true nature as suddha Atmanexperiencially, which is all intelligence, then thisIntelligence is going to act thru us as it did thruArjuna and Krishna in the battle field. We need not revert to violence when arguments fail, but we need toact in accordance with this intelligence which mayinspire our body-mind instruments to take action, beit of seemingly violence or non-violence. I thinnk this way......Pratap--- avadhuta raya <bodisatva_108 wrote:> Hare Krishna> pranams>> I found some notes on violence & non-violence and I > am giving them to you now for consideration. Hare> Krishna.>> 1) DESTRUCTIVE WORK IS BASED ON VIOLENCE -> Irresponsible work is destructive because it> destroys the regulative principles of scriptural > injunction. It is often based on violence and is> distressing to other living entities. Such> irresponsible work is carried out in the light of> one's personal experience. This is called illusion. > And all such illusory work is a product of the mode> of ignorance.>> 2) IT IS A SYMPTOM OF ANGER - The eight symptoms of> anger are slander, rash action, enmity, envy on> seeing the progress of others, bearing grudges, > wasting money, harsh words, unjustified violence.>> 3) A DUTY OF A BRAHMACARI IS TO LEARN NON-VIOLENCE -> " To serve the spiritual master the disciple should> learn cleanliness, austerity, tolerance, silence, > study of Vedic knowledge, simplicity, celibacy,> non-violence, and equanimity in the face of material> dualities such as heat and cold, happiness and> distress>> 4) Non-violence is the main religious duty of a > sannyasa>> 5) ONE FREE FROM VIOLENCE IS A VAISNAVA - Those who> are free from lust, anger, arrogance, violence,> greed, delusion, are Vaisnavas.>> 6) WHERE ARGUMENTS FAIL VIOLENCE IS NECESSARY - Lord > Krsna and Arjuna, the Lord's eternal friend, had no> need to fight in the Battle of Kuruksetra, but they> fought to teach people in general that violence is> also necessary in a situation where good arguments > fail.>> 7) VIOLENCE IS NOT PRESENT IN THE BODY OF KRISHNA> BUT WHEN SOMETIMES IS THEN IT BECOMES AN EXCELLENT> QUALITY - The eighteen condemned qualities of> illusion, laziness, error, taste for material > enjoyment, intense lust, fickleness, arrogance,> envy, violence, exertion, lamentation, dishonesty,> anger, longing, fear, illusion of supporting the> whole world, partiality, and dependency on others > are not present in the body of the Lord. But in> compliance to the krpa sakti however, even these> qualities become present sometimes in the various> avataras such as Rama and Krsna and become realized > by the devotees as excellent qualities. (Madhurya> Kadambini 8)>> To be continued> ard>>>>> > Low, Low, Low Rates! Check out Messenger's > cheap PC-to-Phone call rates.Access over 1 million songs - Music Unlimited( http://music./unlimited) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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