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My question is very hypothetical, "What will happen if all human

being decide to abstain by observing pure Brahmacharya and hence then

there are no births of human beings. What will happen to the Jeevas

who are waiting for a body appropriate to their actions in the previous life ? Will they get Videha Mukti ?

 

Regards and dandavats

K.V. Gopalakrishna.

 

 

 

avadhuta maharaja wrote:

 

 

Dear Souls,

 

The law of karma is very difficult to understand in all its

intricacies. Its dispensation is in the hands of the ´¨paramesvara¨¨.

Yet, as there is the general rule that for every action lies an equal

an opposite reaction. Thus for one who stops the birth of a child

either by abortion or contraception we should expect a similar reaction

to address those involved in the next life.

Thus, the child who is aborted by submission to the codes of

family planning, may only be receiving the reaction for what crime he

was an accomplice to in the previous life.

 

Avadhoot

 

"K.V Gopalakrishna" <gopalakrishna.kv >

wrote:

 

 

A topic beyond human comprehension. Family planning.

Suppose (for the sake of argument) all people decide not to marry and

remain as Brahmacharis, and hence the creative activity among human

beings comes to a standstill, what will happen to all the souls which

are qualified to re-incarnate as human beings?

 

It is the job of the Creator who dispenses justice to give an

appropriate body to every soul, depending upon the Karma of each

individual soul, after it ceases its mundane existence! All actions

including family planning, are performed, as ordained by the

inscrutable Lord. Why should man worry about God's job--He may have

some better plans for that soul!

 

Love

K.V. Gopalakrishna

 

 

purushottam maheshwari wrote:

 

 

Jai Shri Krishna

 

In the Bhagwad Gita it has been written that an Atma takes

birth in different yonies according to its past karmas. Some atmas,

having done good deeds may be entitled to take birth as human beings.

The question here is that due to adoption of family planning

programmes, an atma is not given an opportunity to take birth as a

human being.

Then where do these atmas that are entitled to human birth

go under these circumstances? Are these types of deeds such as family

planning an interference in the work of God? or have we (human beings)

become more powerful than God?

 

One Sadak

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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This discussion appears so futile, that I am amazed people are spending time in analyzing "God" how he conducts "Godly" affairs. The corollary is, do we really know what does happen to 'us' after death? Can it not be deduced that folks before 'us' faced similar dilemmas and their conclusions are what we take as the 'facts' today? Or, we can regress further by presuming that 'lack of righteousness' will grow to be so overwhelming, as we have seen in our own lifetime, that 'Pralay' / 'dooms day' is arround the corner? Be what it may, it all appears futile. Rather than spending energies in 'here after', why not spend that time in making the present world a little better place for all of us, i.e., 'Krivanto Vishwa Arayam'. Yash"K.V Gopalakrishna" <gopalakrishna.kv wrote: My question is very hypothetical, "What will happen if all human being decide to abstain by observing pure Brahmacharya and hence then there are no births of human beings. What will happen to the Jeevas who are waiting for a body appropriate to their actions in the previous life ? Will they get Videha Mukti ?Regards and dandavatsK.V. Gopalakrishna.avadhuta maharaja wrote: Dear Souls, The law of karma is very difficult to understand in all its intricacies. Its dispensation is in the hands of

the ´¨paramesvara¨¨. Yet, as there is the general rule that for every action lies an equal an opposite reaction. Thus for one who stops the birth of a child either by abortion or contraception we should expect a similar reaction to address those involved in the next life. Thus, the child who is aborted by submission to the codes of family planning, may only be receiving the reaction for what crime he was an accomplice to in the previous life. Avadhoot "K.V Gopalakrishna" <gopalakrishna.kv > wrote: A topic beyond human comprehension. Family planning. Suppose (for the sake of argument) all people decide not to marry and remain as Brahmacharis, and hence the creative activity among human beings comes to a

standstill, what will happen to all the souls which are qualified to re-incarnate as human beings? It is the job of the Creator who dispenses justice to give an appropriate body to every soul, depending upon the Karma of each individual soul, after it ceases its mundane existence! All actions including family planning, are performed, as ordained by the inscrutable Lord. Why should man worry about God's job--He may have some better plans for that soul! LoveK.V. Gopalakrishnapurushottam maheshwari wrote: Jai Shri Krishna In the Bhagwad Gita it has been written that an Atma takes birth in different yonies according to its past karmas. Some atmas, having done good deeds may be entitled to take birth as human beings. The question here is that

due to adoption of family planning programmes, an atma is not given an opportunity to take birth as a human being. Then where do these atmas that are entitled to human birth go under these circumstances? Are these types of deeds such as family planning an interference in the work of God? or have we (human beings) become more powerful than God? One Sadak Want to start your own business? Learn how on Small Business.

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Ram RamThe only possible time when everybody is completely self satisfied by enlightenment is satya yuga but sastra does not describe that everybody is unmarried. In all other yugas there is a lot of marriages going on, as we can see that in the satra. To satisfy your speculative question therefore is not possible. Here is one point I found interesting to let you know:Srimad-Bhagavatam 3.8.7In the paramparä system, one should answer questions with reference toVedic literature; one should not concoct answers from mental speculation:"My dear King, although you know everything, you have posed some questions,which I shall try to answer according to what I have learned by hearingfrom authorities.…At the end just a remark on your question. The best questions are those that help others including yourself to become self-realized and attain the ultimate goal of life love of God. Ram Ramard

"K.V Gopalakrishna" <gopalakrishna.kv wrote: My question is very hypothetical, "What will happen if all human being decide to abstain by observing pure Brahmacharya and hence then there are no births of human beings. What will happen to the Jeevas who are waiting for a body appropriate to their actions in the previous life ? Will they get Videha Mukti ?

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FROM: bodisatva_108

In the Vedas there are many things not only those topics you want to discuss about.

ard

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FROM: avadhutamaharaja

Dear Soul,

The practise of strict brahmacharya will promote one to the higher planetary systems like Tapaloka, etc. If everyone followed such tapasya it would be very nice for all, as family attachment naturally leads to rebirth in this world. As far as the population of humans we know that from the animal species automatically souls enter the human form, in the mode of goodness from cows, in the mode of passion from tigers,lions,etc. and in the mode of darkness from monkeys,apes, etc. It has also been written that those who have spent their good karma on higher planetary systems will again come down to Earth as is stated in the Bhagavad-gita "kshine punya martya lokam vishantee". As it is commonly understood, nature {God} abhors a vacuum.

Om Tat Sat, Avadhoot

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FROM:paritalagopikrishna

Yes ! There no point on thinking hypothetically. Let us be present and practical to enjoy the present moment rather than worrying about either past or future. It does not help us in any way to evolve ourselves in the evolution in order to reach the Ultimate and realise the Truth. Hari Om and Love and Love alone .....

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FROM: gopalakrishna.kv Many things are beyond human comprehension and we are postulating on theories, judging things as do happen in the material world, but the work of God is inscrutable and cannot be guessed by anyone. We can only pray to Him and nothing more, nothing less.

With dandavat pranams

K.V. Gopalakrishna

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Yash Verma <vermamd6 wrote: This discussion appears so futile, that I am amazed people are spending time in analyzing "God" how he conducts "Godly" affairs. The corollary is, do we really know what does happen to 'us' after death? Can it not be deduced that folks before 'us' faced similar dilemmas and their conclusions are what we take as the 'facts' today? Or, we can regress further by

presuming that 'lack of righteousness' will grow to be so overwhelming, as we have seen in our own lifetime, that 'Pralay' / 'dooms day' is arround the corner? Be what it may, it all appears futile. Rather than spending energies in 'here after', why not spend that time in making the present world a little better place for all of us, i.e., 'Krivanto Vishwa Arayam'. Yash"K.V Gopalakrishna" <gopalakrishna.kv > wrote: My question is very hypothetical, "What will happen if all human being decide to abstain by observing pure Brahmacharya and hence then there are no births of human beings. What will happen to the Jeevas who are waiting for a body appropriate to their actions in the previous life ? Will they get Videha Mukti ?Regards and dandavatsK.V.

Gopalakrishna.avadhuta maharaja wrote: Dear Souls, The law of karma is very difficult to understand in all its intricacies. Its dispensation is in the hands of the ´¨paramesvara¨¨. Yet, as there is the general rule that for every action lies an equal an opposite reaction. Thus for one who stops the birth of a child either by abortion or contraception we should expect a similar reaction to address those involved in the next life. Thus, the child who is aborted by submission to the codes of family planning, may only be receiving the reaction for what crime he was an accomplice to in the previous life. Avadhoot "K.V Gopalakrishna" <gopalakrishna.kv > wrote: A topic beyond human comprehension. Family planning. Suppose (for the sake of argument) all people decide not to marry and remain as Brahmacharis, and hence the creative activity among human beings comes to a standstill, what will happen to all the souls which are qualified to re-incarnate as human beings? It is the job of the Creator who dispenses justice to give an appropriate body to every soul, depending upon the Karma of each individual soul, after it ceases its mundane existence! All actions including family planning, are performed, as ordained by the inscrutable Lord. Why should man worry about God's job--He may have some better plans for that soul! LoveK.V. Gopalakrishnapurushottam maheshwari wrote: Jai Shri Krishna In the Bhagwad Gita it has been written that an Atma takes birth in different yonies according to its past karmas. Some atmas, having done good deeds may be entitled to take birth as human beings. The question here is that due to adoption of family planning programmes, an atma is not given an opportunity to take birth as a human being. Then where do these atmas that are entitled to human birth go under these circumstances? Are these types of deeds such as family planning an interference in the work of God? or have we (human beings) become more powerful than God? One Sadak Want to start your own business? Learn how on Small Business. Everyone is raving about the all-new Mail beta.

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This question is so deep I had to open up the old book Jaiva Dharma. (There are probably other answers as well, in other Vedic texts - moderator addition). In that book the situation of the 'jeeva' or soul is described as originally existing in the 'tatashta' or marginal energy of the Supreme Lord, which is the borderline between matter and spirit or at the junction of the spiritual and material worlds. It is something akin to the shore of the ocean. In that situation the soul has his first vision of the material tabernacle and from that point on it is all history. If by chance he happens to contemplate the spiritual world he is saved and brought up into the eternal realm, not having to undergo all the trouble that the errant jeevas face when entering the material realms of repeated birth and death. Of course, there are other books which expound this same idea such as the Shree Brahma Samhita but once you're stuck in the material world what really matters is getting out. We can philosophize all day long, but the solution to

extricate ourselves from matter is the most pressing issue of the day. Take the advice of Shree Krishna, 'mam ekam sharanam braja'.AvadhootAnup Wadhwa <anup.clair wrote: If every birth is determined by the past karma, which karma caused the first birth? On 10/31/06, purushottam maheshwari <pd_maheshwari > wrote: Jai Shri Krishna In the Bhagwad Gita it has been written that an Atma takes birth in different yonies according to its past karmas. Some atmas, having done good deeds may be entitled to take birth as human beings. The question here is that due to adoption of family planning programmes, an atma is not given an opportunity to take birth as a human being. Then where do these atmas that are entitled to human birth go under these circumstances? Are these types of deeds such as family planning an interference in the work of God? or have we (human beings) become more powerful than God? One Sadak

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" pratapbhatt "

Yes, it is the most important to find freedom from this Karmas

leading to suffering. Why worry about first karma, rather I would

try to be free from them. The real question we can ask is can we be

free from such bondage of karmas causing suffering?

 

All karmas are done in ignorance of not knowing my true nature as

Atman, which is not limited to this body-mind existence I believe to

be true. Body-mind appears only in the light of Atman. It is a

belief without thourough investigation of scriptural truth with the

help of realized person. A little reflection will show us that Karta

bhav is a must for Karmas to be binding, not otherwise. I am Karta

(Doer) is not true if we look at our lives as to where we are and

how much we have to doo with it. Are we areally doers of our deeds,

or they just happen based on so many factors of which we may be only

one and that too as instruments in the hands of GOD? (to play Lila)

 

When we are convinced we are not doers, karmas performed by us or

rather through us do not bind. We are not karts and bhoktas of our

karmas, however, we do perform actions or they get performd through

us. Isn't this Geeta's teaching? Then who takes on birth and death?

Where is the question of first or last karmas binding us to cycle of

birth and death even if bodies are taken in(and not by) all

pervading Soul(and not souls)? We take our stand as Witnessing

Presence-Consciousness all thru life! So to me only in ignorance of

our true nature, we are led to believe in reincarnations(for some

reasons for beginners), but to be free of them, as pointed out by

Avadhutaji is the real issue to be resolved.

 

Pranaam to all devotees.....

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, avadhuta raya <bodisatva_108

wrote:

>

> Ram Ram

>

> In the Vedas there are meny things not only those topics you want

to discuss about.

>

> ard

>

> Yash Verma <vermamd6 wrote:

> This discussion appears so futile, that I am amazed people are

spending time in analyzing " God " how he conducts " Godly " affairs.

The corollary is, do we really know what does happen to 'us' after

death? Can it not be deduced that folks before 'us' faced similar

dilemmas and their conclusions are what we take as the 'facts'

today? Or, we can regress further by presuming that 'lack of

righteousness' will grow to be so overwhelming, as we have seen in

our own lifetime, that 'Pralay' / 'dooms day' is arround the corner?

Be what it may, it all appears futile. Rather than spending energies

in 'here after', why not spend that time in making the present world

a little better place for all of us, i.e., 'Krivanto Vishwa Arayam'.

> Yash

>

> " K.V Gopalakrishna " <gopalakrishna.kv wrote:

> My question is very hypothetical, " What will happen if all

human being decide to abstain by observing pure Brahmacharya and

hence then there are no births of human beings. What will happen to

the Jeevas who are waiting for a body appropriate to their actions

in the previous life ? Will they get Videha Mukti ?

>

> Regards and dandavats

> K.V. Gopalakrishna.

>

>

>

> avadhuta maharaja wrote: Dear Souls,

>

> The law of karma is very difficult to understand in all its

intricacies. Its dispensation is in the hands of the

´¨paramesvara¨¨. Yet, as there is the general rule that for every

action lies an equal an opposite reaction. Thus for one who stops

the birth of a child either by abortion or contraception we should

expect a similar reaction to address those involved in the next life.

> Thus, the child who is aborted by submission to the codes of

family planning, may only be receiving the reaction for what crime

he was an accomplice to in the previous life.

>

> Avadhoot

>

> " K.V Gopalakrishna " <gopalakrishna.kv wrote:

> A topic beyond human comprehension. Family planning.

Suppose (for the sake of argument) all people decide not to marry

and remain as Brahmacharis, and hence the creative activity among

human beings comes to a standstill, what will happen to all the

souls which are qualified to re-incarnate as human beings?

>

> It is the job of the Creator who dispenses justice to give an

appropriate body to every soul, depending upon the Karma of each

individual soul, after it ceases its mundane existence! All actions

including family planning, are performed, as ordained by the

inscrutable Lord. Why should man worry about God's job--He may have

some better plans for that soul!

>

> Love

> K.V. Gopalakrishna

>

>

> purushottam maheshwari wrote: Jai Shri Krishna

>

> In the Bhagwad Gita it has been written that an Atma takes birth

in different yonies according to its past karmas. Some atmas, having

done good deeds may be entitled to take birth as human beings. The

question here is that due to adoption of family planning

programmes, an atma is not given an opportunity to take birth as a

human being.

> Then where do these atmas that are entitled to human birth go

under these circumstances? Are these types of deeds such as family

planning an interference in the work of God? or have we (human

beings) become more powerful than God?

>

> One Sadak

>

 

> Want to start your own business? Learn how on Small

Business.

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> Everyone is raving about the all-new Mail beta.

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> Everyone is raving about the all-new Mail beta.

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