Can we ever be Sad with a Companion like Him? (20.11.06)

[Guest guest]

Even I am undergoing such phase periodically. I will share what I have been trying from one and other of the talks of Ramsukhdas Ji (between sept-Oct 94, available on swamiramsukhdasji.org

), that this occurs due to attachment to the peace resulting from bhakti or upasana. Withdrawal from physical activity is due to attachment to the peace, or due to aversion to the bodily discomforts.

Meditation and prayer to Sri Krishna resolves everything in time. Although we may not realize that all that is there is only Krishna, i.e. Vasudevam sarvam iti, but we can definitely pay attention to the discrimination created by mind and body between sukha and dukha and treating them equally as ultimately both come from GOd and are prasad of Sri Krishna. One Muslim saint Rabia has said that loving God means welcoming miseries and loneliness with open arms. With time, when we have gone through his Prasad willingly and joyously and realized that this is also Krishna's prasad, then everything falls in place. Then there is one more thing I have realized that my body, my mind, my pleasures, my sorrows, my whole self is only Sri Krishna's.

All the loneliness and pain comes from Krishna, as a medicine for our disease, and how can we know that it is bad for us, only Krishna knows why it is there.

Some things about Krishna are :

1. He knows everything.

2. He is all powerful and capable of doing anything, removing our sufferring too.

3. He is ocean of kindness and compassion.

4. He personally takes care of every responsibilty and need of those who are dependent on him solely, though sometimes things may look unpleasent for us.

5. We can never understand his plan, his grace, but we can trust and surrender.

6. Someone who has surrendered to Krishna, even for once, he or she is never forsaken by Him. Even without surrender to Jiva is always part of God, and inseparable.

 

Lastly, all the pain and sorrow results from giving power to the world and environment, independent of GOD. In reality only Lord exists, and every thing is His leela.

 

All these give relief to me. Reflections on these open my heart to Lord and all mys sorrow disappears.

 

 

 

On 11/21/06, shree kabra <shree.learnings

> wrote:

 

 

 

 

Jaishrikrishnamy query is related to this topic - " Can we ever be sad with a companion like him.... " (from recent Sadhaka message)...from my childhood my grandmother has made be believe that you should make god your friend and take him everywhere as you take your best friends. So in my mind i have made krishna ji my best friend...and believe that he is always with me in my day to day activities.. My query is even though i am surrounded by so many people and have a very loving and caring family, yet i feel very lonely at times..and recently these times have only increased....suddenly i find mixing with people useless and have been spending my time in reading books or watching movies or chatting with ppl on the internet. i dont know what is it that keeps me lonely or makes me move away from people.(friends and family both). i have asked krishna ji this question many times.... during my lonely times i remind myself that he is there why should i be lonely.. Yet i still find myself not being able to get rid of that feeling.. can you explain why is such feeling increasing and how can i can reduce/remove it..?? Are there Gita shlokas and krishnaji's message in there that can help me better relate to this feeling that I am experiencing? What does Swamiji say about dealing with this feeling? (Moderator addition). Thanks and Regards, Shreevardhan Kabra

[Guest guest]

Very practical and understandable suggestion as experienced and

mentioned below. If I can add, it would be to inquire further, more deeply and

find out why this is all God and nothing but GOD. On realizing this, the

surrender(of one's EGO) comes naturally and the world is only in appearance,

where as only God IS!

-----

 

 

, " Yogesh Kumar Katare " <ykatare

wrote:

>

> Even I am undergoing such phase periodically. I will share what I

have been

> trying from one and other of the talks of Ramsukhdas Ji (between

sept-Oct

> 94, available on swamiramsukhdasji.org), that this occurs due to

attachment

> to the peace resulting from bhakti or upasana. Withdrawal from

physical

> activity is due to attachment to the peace, or due to aversion to

the

> bodily discomforts.

> Meditation and prayer to Sri Krishna resolves everything in time.

Although

> we may not realize that all that is there is only Krishna, i.e.

Vasudevam

> sarvam iti, but we can definitely pay attention to the

discrimination

> created by mind and body between sukha and dukha and treating them

equally

> as ultimately both come from GOd and are prasad of Sri Krishna. One

Muslim

> saint Rabia has said that loving God means welcoming miseries and

loneliness

> with open arms. With time, when we have gone thorugh his Prasad

willingly

> and joyously and realized that this is also Krishna's prasad, then

> everything falls in place. Then there is one more thing I have

realized that

> my body, my mind, my pleasures, my sorrows, my whole self is only

Sri

> Krishna's.

> All the loneliness and pain comes from Krishna, as a medicine for

our

> disease, and how can we know that it is bad for us, only Krishna

knows why

> it is there.

> Some things about KRishna are :

> 1. He knows everything.

> 2. He is all powerful and capable of doing anything, removing our

sufferring

> too.

> 3. He is ocean of kindness and compassion.

> 4. He personally takes care of every responsibilty and need of

those who are

> dependent on him solely, though sometimes things may look

unpleasent for us.

> 5. We can never understand his plan, his grace, but we can trust and

> surrender.

> 6. Someone who has surrendered to Krishna, even for once, he or she

is never

> forsaken by Him. Even without surrender to Jiva is always part of

God, and

> inseparable.

>

> Lastly, all the pain and sorrow results from giving power to the

world and

> environment, independent of GOD. In reality only LOrd exists, and

every

> thing is HIs leela.

>

> All these give relief to me. Reflections on these open my heart to

Lord and

> all mys sorrow disappears.

>

>

>

>

> On 11/21/06, shree kabra <shree.learnings wrote:

> >

> > Jaishrikrishna

> >

> > my query is related to this topic - " Can we ever be sad with a

companion

> > like him.... " (from recent Sadhaka message)...

> >

> > from my childhood my grandmother has made be believe that you

should make

> > god your friend and take him everywhere as you take your best

friends. So in

> > my mind i have made krishna ji my best friend...and believe that

he is

> > always with me in my day to day activities..

> >

> > My query is even though i am surrounded by so many people and

have a very

> > loving and caring family, yet i feel very lonely at times..and

recently

> > these times have only increased....suddenly i find mixing with

people

> > useless and have been spending my time in reading books or

watching movies

> > or chatting with ppl on the internet.

> >

> > i dont know what is it that keeps me lonely or makes me move away

from

> > people.(friends and family both). i have asked krishna ji this

question many

> > times.... during my lonely times i remind myself that he is there

why should

> > i be lonely.. Yet i still find myself not being able to get rid

of that

> > feeling.. can you explain why is such feeling increasing and how

can i can

> > reduce/remove it..??

> >

> > Are there Gita shlokas and krishnaji's message in there that can

help me

> > better relate to this feeling that I am experiencing? What does

Swamiji say

> > about dealing with this feeling? (Moderator addition).

> >

> > Thanks and Regards,

> > Shreevardhan Kabra

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Love and Love alone....

 

Well said. Yes, the more we forebear, the more we get closer to HIM,

undoubtedly. Pain or Dukha cleanses one's inner-tendencies. We have always two

options in front of us, to accept or reject. Either way, one has to undergo and

experience karma-phala. Instead of crying and cribbing, let us welcome it with

open heart as prasad of Lord, and feel that God has given us an opportunity to

cleanse our selves. Anyhow, we have to undergo this experience. The attitude on

our part will bind or elevate us. If we crib and cry, it will bind us and if we

accept and happily undergo the experience, it will cleanse us.

 

At the end of Kurukshetra War, when Lord Krishna asks every one what they would

like to have from Him. Only Kunti, asks for unending pains and says that " if we

are in happiness, we tend to forget Your presence and thereby distance ourselves

from You. I know without Your help and blessings, Krishna we would not have won

the Kurukshetra battle at all. You were and are with us in thick and thin, at

all times and under all circumstances. And, now, I do not want to distance

myself from You. So, kindly bless me with dukha and

pain, so that I remember You always. "

 

The basic philosophy of present saint, Sri Sai Baba of Shirdi, is on two very

important pillars, i.e., Shraddha and Saburi, in other words, interest and ever

eagerness to open up oneself and learn and forbearance and perseverance. Ones

will-power increases tremendously, if one develops the attitude of accepting

everything as HIS blessing to us.

Love and Love alone....

 

P. Gopi Krishn

--- Yogesh Kumar Katare <ykatare wrote:

 

Even I am undergoing such phase periodically. I will

share what I have been trying from one and other of

the talks of Ramsukhdas Ji (between sept-Oct 94,

available on swamiramsukhdasji.org), that this occurs

due to attachment to the peace resulting from bhakti

or upasana. Withdrawal from physical activity is due

to attachment to the peace, or due to aversion to the

> bodily discomforts. Meditation and prayer to Sri

Krishna resolves everything in time. Although we may

not realize that all that is there is only Krishna,

i.e. Vasudevam sarvam iti, but we can definitely pay

attention to the discrimination created by mind and

body between sukha and dukha and treating them equally

as ultimately both come from GOd and are prasad of

Sri Krishna. One Muslim saint Rabia has said that

loving God means welcoming miseries and loneliness

with open arms. With time, when we have gone thorugh

his Prasad willingly and joyously and realized that

this is also Krishna's prasad, then everything falls

in place. Then there is one more thing I have realized

that my body, my mind, my pleasures, my sorrows, my

whole self is only Sri Krishna's. All the loneliness

and pain comes from Krishna, as a medicine for our

disease, and how can we know that it is bad for us,

only Krishna knows why it is there.

Some things about KRishna are :

1. He knows everything.

2. He is all powerful and capable of doing anything,

removing our sufferring too.

3. He is ocean of kindness and compassion.

4. He personally takes care of every responsibilty and

need of those who are dependent on him solely, though

sometimes things may look unpleasent for us.

5. We can never understand his plan, his grace, but we

can trust and surrender.

6. Someone who has surrendered to Krishna, even for

once, he or she is never forsaken by Him. Even without

surrender to Jiva is always part of God, and

inseparable.

 

Lastly, all the pain and sorrow results from giving

power to the world and environment, independent of

GOD. In reality only LOrd exists, and every thing is

HIs leela.

 

All these give relief to me. Reflections on these open

my heart to Lord and all mys sorrow disappears.

>

>

>

>

> On 11/21/06, shree kabra <shree.learnings

> wrote:

> >

> > Jaishrikrishna

> >

> > my query is related to this topic - " Can we ever

> be sad with a companion

> > like him.... " (from recent Sadhaka message)...

> >

> > from my childhood my grandmother has made be

> believe that you should make

> > god your friend and take him everywhere as you

> take your best friends. So in

> > my mind i have made krishna ji my best

> friend...and believe that he is

> > always with me in my day to day activities..

> >

> > My query is even though i am surrounded by so

> many people and have a very

> > loving and caring family, yet i feel very lonely

> at times..and recently

> > these times have only increased....suddenly i find

> mixing with people

> > useless and have been spending my time in reading

> books or watching movies

> > or chatting with ppl on the internet.

> >

> > i dont know what is it that keeps me lonely or

> makes me move away from

> > people.(friends and family both). i have asked

> krishna ji this question many

> > times.... during my lonely times i remind myself

> that he is there why should

> > i be lonely.. Yet i still find myself not being

> able to get rid of that

> > feeling.. can you explain why is such feeling

> increasing and how can i can

> > reduce/remove it..??

> >

> > Are there Gita shlokas and krishnaji's message in

> there that can help me

> > better relate to this feeling that I am

> experiencing? What does Swamiji say

> > about dealing with this feeling? (Moderator

> addition).

> >

> > Thanks and Regards,

> > Shreevardhan Kabra

> >

> >

>

 

 

P. Gopi Krishna

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

Shree Hari

Ram Ram

From Swamiji's Messages:

It is mentioned in the Upanishad that even " The Lord felt lonely

(Brhandaaranyaka 1/4/3), so He manifested Himself in different forms

as part of His divine sport. Swamiji has talked about this in many

places, that Atma (Self) can only be satisfied with Paramatma (God),

because we are a part of God, a spark of the Divine Fire. This

feeling of separation, loneliness is our longing. A devotee cannot

bear the separation from God, our Source (even though we do not

always realize this). Until the sense of " I " becomes identified

with God (Self), this separation, this loneliness remains.

 

From the perspective of one following the discipline of knowledge, temporarily

we satisfy this loneliness by gaining pleasure from ephemeral things - people,

objects, thoughts, ideas, etc. But this illusive material world will not be

satisfying and we will negate that which is not permanent and eternal, and

ultimately we will become established in the Self.

 

Swamiji says that from a Devotee's perspective, there is only God, and He is

Mine. Let us be aware of His grace at all times, in all our relationships and

in all our experiences. Therefore, even in the feeling of loneliness, it is Him

only, as this mind, this intellect, these feelings, all are Him and Him only. A

Devotee does not exist. Only God exists. There is no separation between God

and you. No separation between real and unreal. Let us feel His presence in

everything, even in our loneliness, when we want to move away from other people,

when we find mixing with people as useless, it is all Him. There is no need to

get rid of this feeling, only accept His presence in everything, as there is

nothing else besides God. There never was, isn't and never shall be. Gita 7:19

and majority of Chapter 7; Gita 9:18; 10:39; 10:20; 10:32, 9:19 and in many more

shlokas God conveys this message to us.

 

A Sadhak

Ram Ram

 

, " shree kabra "

<shree.learnings wrote:

>

> Jaishrikrishna

>

> my query is related to this topic - " Can we ever be sad with a

companion like him.... " (from recent Sadhaka message)

>

> from my childhood my grandmother has made be believe that you

should make god your friend and take him everywhere as you take your

best friends. So in my mind i have made krishna ji my best

friend...and believe that he is always with me in my day to day

activities.

>

> My query is even though i am surrounded by so many people and have

a very loving and caring family, yet i feel very lonely at

times..and recently these times have only increased....suddenly i

find mixing with people useless and have been spending my time in

reading books or watching movies or chatting with ppl on the

internet.

>

> i dont know what is it that keeps me lonely or makes me move away

from people.(friends and family both). i have asked krishna ji this

question many times.... during my lonely times i remind myself that

he is there why should i be lonely.. Yet i still find myself not

being able to get rid of that feeling..

> can you explain why is such feeling increasing and how can i can

reduce/remove it..??

>

> Are there Gita shlokas and krishnaji's message in there that can

help me better relate to this feeling that I am experiencing?

(Moderator addition).

>

> Thanks and Regards,

> Shreevardhan Kabra

>

[Guest guest]

Very good and nicely said. There is nothing but GOD:

Sarvam khalu idam Brahman(Ishwara)! Atman is Paramatman only, part is the whole.

Ultimately even words used to describe are finger pointing to Moon(Concepts).

This same realization is on the part of both Bhakta and Gnani and Lord Krishna

says Gnani Bhakta is shreshtha (most excellent). Shankara who was Gnani in his

song Shivoham Shivoham Sachidanandrupoh and also bhakta in his Bhaj Govindam!

 

--- sadhak_insight <sadhak_insight wrote:

 

Shree Hari

Ram Ram

From Swamiji's Messages:

It is mentioned in the Upanishad that even " The Lord felt lonely

(Brhandaaranyaka 1/4/3), so He manifested Himself in different forms as part of

His divine sport. Swamiji has talked about this in many places, that Atma

(Self) can only be satisfied with Paramatma (God), because we are a part of God,

a spark of the Divine Fire. This feeling of separation, loneliness is our

longing. A devotee cannot bear the separation from God, our Source (even though

we do not always realize this). Until the sense of " I " becomes identified with

God (Self), this separation, this loneliness remains.

 

From the perspective of one following the discipline of knowledge, temporarily

we satisfy this loneliness by gaining pleasure from ephemeral things - people,

objects, thoughts, ideas, etc. But this illusive material world will not be

satisfying and we will negate that which is not permanent and eternal, and

ultimately we will become established in the Self.

 

Swamiji says that from a Devotee's perspective, there is only God, and He is

Mine. Let us be aware of His grace at all times, in all our relationships and

in all our experiences. Therefore, even in the

feeling of loneliness, it is Him only, as this mind, this intellect, these

feelings, all are Him and Him only. A Devotee does not exist. Only God exists.

There is no separation between God and you. No separation between real and

unreal. Let us feel His presence in everything, even in our loneliness, when we

want to move away from other people, when we find mixing with people as useless,

it is all Him. There is no need to get rid of this feeling, only accept His

presence in everything, as there is nothing else besides God. There never was,

isn't and never shall be. Gita 7:19 and majority of Chapter 7; Gita 9:18;

10:39; 10:20; 10:32, 9:19 and in many more shlokas God conveys this message to

us.

 

A Sadhak

Ram Ram

>

> , " shree kabra "

> <shree.learnings wrote:

> >

> > Jaishrikrishna

> >

> > my query is related to this topic - " Can we ever

> be sad with a

> companion like him.... " (from recent Sadhaka

> message)

> >

> > from my childhood my grandmother has made be

> believe that you

> should make god your friend and take him everywhere

> as you take your

> best friends. So in my mind i have made krishna ji

> my best

> friend...and believe that he is always with me in my

> day to day

> activities.

> >

> > My query is even though i am surrounded by so many

> people and have

> a very loving and caring family, yet i feel very

> lonely at

> times..and recently these times have only

> increased....suddenly i

> find mixing with people useless and have been

> spending my time in

> reading books or watching movies or chatting with

> ppl on the

> internet.

> >

> > i dont know what is it that keeps me lonely or

> makes me move away

> from people.(friends and family both). i have asked

> krishna ji this

> question many times.... during my lonely times i

> remind myself that

> he is there why should i be lonely.. Yet i still

> find myself not

> being able to get rid of that feeling..

> > can you explain why is such feeling increasing and

> how can i can

> reduce/remove it..??

> >

> > Are there Gita shlokas and krishnaji's message in

> there that can

> help me better relate to this feeling that I am

> experiencing?

> (Moderator addition).

> >

> > Thanks and Regards,

> > Shreevardhan Kabra

> >

>

>

>

 

 

 

 

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