Guest guest Posted February 27, 2007 Report Share Posted February 27, 2007 Dear members, I have some doubts: 1) If we are mere instruments in hands of GOD, then who is responsible for bad actions done by us? It has to be GOD, which does not seem correct. 2) If GOD is omnipresent, why does he allow innocent to suffer (assuming they are innocent and suffer no bad karma of previous birth). 3) Soul is immutable and indestructible, it is also present in smallest of living organisms like bacteria and amoeba. In such a case, when number of bacteria counts can increase by billions or trillions when a body is diseased. The number will multiply when we count more diseased human beings. All this means, that number of souls has increased by billions or trillions. From where did these souls came from suddenly? There has to be a balance. Shall be grateful for clarification of these doubts. Kinds regards Sundeep from MODERATOR > > > > The following are the guidelines for Gita-Talk discussions. > > > > 1. Wherever possible, please quote Gita or other scriptures to substantiate the response > > > > 2. Kindly make your responses concise and to the point. (Up to twenty line maximum, if possible). > > 3. Please limit discussions to subject at hand. > > 4. Please do not include links to other sites or other organizations > > 5. Please do not include your personal information such as phone number, address etc. 6. Kindly do not address the response to a particular individual, > since the message is going to the entire group. > > MODERATOR > > Ram Ram Don't pick lemons. See all the new 2007 cars at Autos. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 1, 2007 Report Share Posted March 1, 2007 Dear Sadhakas, Namaste! This is my understanding for respective questions: 1) Our body-mind is an instrument of God, but what we are is not our body-mind with a name. We have mistakenly taken ourselves as person who is separate. Now if we(body-mind-intellect) can truely become instrment by thinking, feeling and acting as if instrument, then there wouldn't be bad actions! If we just say it as an information that we are merely an instrument then it has no value. Try to be an instrument of God and then see if bad actions come from that person/instrument! Without truly being an instrument, it is just a speculation. 2) This assumes that God is some separate person or someone who is rewarding and punishing. This is not true. Because we are conditioned to think ourselves to be independent persons(ego), think we are Indians, Americans, Hindus, Muslims, men, women, upper class. lower class etc etc. all kinds of divisions. All our religious beliefs have divided us to the extent we kill those whom we perceive as our enemies. This is our self imposed suffering, all in ignorance. When we umderstand we are not such entities even though we are apparantly different but are ONE Being appearing as many(Gold appearing as jewelaries), we stop suffering. God is such an Intelligence, deep understanding ready to make us free if we act in accordance. 3) There appears to be misconception about soul being many. Soul is never in the body as a stick is in the jar, it is analogus more to space in the jar and all around jar. Soul is conditioned by identity with body-mind and believes itself to be limited being (Jivatma), an individual person. This leads Soul to considers others as Jivatmas(different souls) too. This is ignorance. Like in a dream our mind creates many objects out of itself and considers them real. Upon waking up there is only one mind. Similarly when Jivatmas know their true identity thru Sadhana and Grace, there will be realization that there has never been many Souls. Soul is said to be purified of the ignorance. Then Sadhak realizes Soul as just the name given to the unique experience of Blissful -Conscious- Existance Absolute. Soul is ONE Consciousness, Brahman, or like Uapanishad tells(paraphrased) us "Jivoeva Brahman na par". This is all not theory, it is our reality! Ram Ram ....Pratap , sundeep gupta <sundeepgupta1 wrote:>> Dear members,> > I have some doubts:> > 1) If we are mere instruments in hands of GOD, then who is responsible for our bad actions done by us? It has to be GOD again, which does not seems correct.> > 2) If GOD is omnipresent, why does he allow innocents to suffer (assuming they are innocents and suffer no bad karma of previous birth).> > 3) Soul is immutable and indestructible, it is also present in smallest of living organisms like bacteria and amoeba. In such a case, when number of bacteria counts can increase by billions or trillions when a body is diseased. The number will multiply when we count more diseased human beings. All this means, that number of souls has increased by billions or trillions. From where did these souls came from suddenly? There has to be a balance.> > Shall be grateful for clarification of these doubts.> > Kinds regards> Sundeep > > > > Don't pick lemons.> See all the new 2007 cars at Autos.> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 2, 2007 Report Share Posted March 2, 2007 Ram Ram Comments on your questions: 1) God has given us the independence to choose what we want to do. Unfortunately we do not become instruments in the hands of God – if we did – no wrong could happen by us. 2) God never allows the innocent to suffer. In fact, he is even ready to forgive the guilty – so the question of the innocent suffering does not and cannot arise. God never makes a mistake. If any injustice is done to anyone, then God more than makes up for it to that person – but this rarely happens. If that person has accepted that he is an instrument in the hands of God or has accepted and believes in the existence of God, no injustice can ever me meted out to him. 3) Your question has not been understood by me? How many cells are there in each body? Are each and every one of them not a ‘living being’? Are the number of drops in the ocean and the number of grains of sand in the desert not ‘living beings’? What balance are you talking about? Without there being a balance, the world would not exist. God has created, is maintaining and will always maintain the balance. I hope that the above clarifies your doubts. Ram Ram On Behalf Of sundeep gupta 27 February 2007 14:43 gita some clarifications Dear members, I have some doubts: 1) If we are mere instruments in hands of GOD, then who is responsible for bad actions done by us? It has to be GOD, which does not seem correct. 2) If GOD is omnipresent, why does he allow innocent to suffer (assuming they are innocent and suffer no bad karma of previous birth). 3) Soul is immutable and indestructible, it is also present in smallest of living organisms like bacteria and amoeba. In such a case, when number of bacteria counts can increase by billions or trillions when a body is diseased. The number will multiply when we count more diseased human beings. All this means, that number of souls has increased by billions or trillions. From where did these souls came from suddenly? There has to be a balance. Shall be grateful for clarification of these doubts. Kinds regards Sundeep Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 3, 2007 Report Share Posted March 3, 2007 Dear Sadhak ji, 1. The only thing that differentiates humans and all other forms of life is "VIVEK" - the judgment to decide right and wrong. The GOD has bestowed upon us the vivek because this birth is MOKSHA-DWAR - the door to salvation. So we are responsible for our good or bad deeds. 2. The principals and prescriptions of GOD are perfect and flawless. If there is suffering it has to be linked to certain deeds of the past.(recent or previous births). There are glaring examples in our epics. Lord Dasharath who is the father of LORD RAM has to be an innocent and a pure person, still he had to banish Sri Ram for 14 years and then die in grief. He had a curse on him from the parents of Sravan Kumar. 3. The GOD is Omnipotent as well. When He can create billions of Galaxies and countless stars, creating a few trillion bacterias should be no problem for him. In his LEELA (the divine acts) he creates Galaxies, maintains them and then wipes them out. The process of creation and destruction is endless and unrestricted. It is beyond the comprehension of we ordinary people. AND the most important thing is we do not need to comprehend the complex process of HIS creation. For us to be able to love HIM and attain HIM, we all need to be a very simple hearted person. We should not wander ourselves in such illogical hypothesis (Ku-tark). Swami Sri Ramsukhdas ji used to tell that such things are the biggest impediments in the path of our SADHNA. I am only narrating the above lines from what I have heard from Swami ji, whenever he was asked such questions. With very kind regards. Sushil Kumar Jalan ----- Dear members, I have some doubts: 1) If we are mere instruments in hands of GOD, then who is responsible for bad actions done by us? It has to be GOD, which does not seem correct. 2) If GOD is omnipresent, why does he allow innocent to suffer (assuming they are innocent and suffer no bad karma of previous birth). 3) Soul is immutable and indestructible, it is also present in smallest of living organisms like bacteria and amoeba. In such a case, when number of bacteria counts can increase by billions or trillions when a body is diseased. The number will multiply when we count more diseased human beings. All this means, that number of souls has increased by billions or trillions. From where did these souls came from suddenly? There has to be a balance. Shall be grateful for clarification of these doubts. Kinds regards Sundeep from MODERATOR > > > > The following are the guidelines for Gita-Talk discussions. > > > > 1. Wherever possible, please quote Gita or other scriptures to substantiate the response > > > > 2. Kindly make your responses concise and to the point. (Up to twenty line maximum, if possible). > > 3. Please limit discussions to subject at hand. > > 4. Please do not include links to other sites or other organizations > > 5. Please do not include your personal information such as phone number, address etc. 6. Kindly do not address the response to a particular individual, > since the message is going to the entire group. > > MODERATOR > > Ram Ram Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 11, 2007 Report Share Posted March 11, 2007 Namaste, These are very good questions and hard to do justice to them, but lets tryResponses are embedded in the questions below: sundeep gupta <sundeepgupta1 wrote: Dear members, I have some doubts: 1) If we are mere instruments in hands of GOD, then who is responsible for bad actions done by us? It has to be GOD, which does not seem correct. One way to understand is that God is pure energy which gets channeled by our mind (and our selves). Mind by itself is incapable of doing anything without the energy. Like a coloured light bulb, the colouring denotes the mind and electricy the energy that is God. As we purify our mind through spiritual practices, more and more of the pure energy manifests itself through your body, till a time when you realise that the bodys work happens on its own and you are established in bliss, which is the also nature of God. Uptil then, "we are responsible" for the actions. 2) If GOD is omnipresent, why does he allow innocent to suffer (assuming they are innocent and suffer no bad karma of previous birth). The problem here is to question what is suffering ? Suffering in the world may wake us up to the transitory nature of the world and move us on to the spiritual path, whereas success in the world may make us proud and arrogant and eventually may loose whatever little peace of mind we have. Everything runs by ones Karma. But to the spiritual aspirant, material life, whether successfull or failure, all is suffering since there is no permanance in it. 3) Soul is immutable and indestructible, it is also present in smallest of living organisms like bacteria and amoeba. In such a case, when number of bacteria counts can increase by billions or trillions when a body is diseased. The number will multiply when we count more diseased human beings. All this means, that number of souls has increased by billions or trillions. From where did these souls came from suddenly? There has to be a balance. A few more billion bacteria may have died somewhere else ? This is very hard to verify numerically, since at any given time there are trillions and trillions of creatures on planet earth. Hari Om Shall be grateful for clarification of these doubts. Kinds regards Sundeep from MODERATOR > > > > The following are the guidelines for Gita-Talk discussions. > > > > 1. Wherever possible, please quote Gita or other scriptures to substantiate the response > > > > 2. Kindly make your responses concise and to the point. (Up to twenty line maximum, if possible). > > 3. Please limit discussions to subject at hand. > > 4. Please do not include links to other sites or other organizations> > 5. Please do not include your personal information such as phone number, address etc.6. Kindly do not address the response to a particular individual, > since the message is going to the entire group.> > MODERATOR> > Ram Ram Don't pick lemons.See all the new 2007 cars at Autos. TV dinner still cooling?Check out "Tonight's Picks" on TV. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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