Guest guest Posted March 9, 2007 Report Share Posted March 9, 2007 Ram Ram FROM: Manjula Goel As far as my knowledge is concerned ( very little it is), Vairagya means , when we dont find meaning to worldly things and so forcefully or intentionally, for the sake of getting or realizing that ultimate truth, we try our best to( or it itself done) get rid of materailistic things. Now following are my doubts : 1) " There is no place for Vairagya (dispassion) in True Love " ...True Love to whom? God or any individual from world? 2)Agn, you said there is no place for vairagya in true love, but i think its there n it come on its own to individual in true love.example is " MIRABAI " .Am i right here? 3) Is it necessary to do practise vairagya from materialistic things, to get or realize that ultimate truth? 4) " We control the world and God controls Time " ...How can it be possible that we are controlling the world? bcoz in my view its just that in life we are provided with some decisons to be taken. n if that time we take right decisions, we get good results, otherwise we suffer..bt agn there are conditions in which we are just the viewers about what bad happens to us. so how is it that we are controlling the world? 5) What about a person to reach the Absolute Truth who have very little ( very near to nothing) knowledge about religion and science? This is in reference to the following lines.. " Let us Merge Religion and Science to reach the Absolute Truth " Above are my questions to the writter, wrote the mail " [sadhaka] Food for Thought " But still i will be glad to welcome views from all. Regards Manjula Goyal -- FROM: Gopi Krishna Dear Sadasya or Sadhaka or Soul Brother or Lover or all put together or all in One, Love and Love alone..... I read and reread your mail. A few points I understood and a few I have not. It means, I am not at the same wavelength as you are. So, it is my inability to understood you fully. If you have time and if you do not mind, can you kindly explain a few thoughts, which I did not understand. For others, whatever I know, I am responding. As you are well aware, mine is not a book-knowledge and I cannot quote always from the scriptures to support my ideas. I write just out of love and just for the sake of writing, whenever I feel like. Your mail is one of them. Kindly bear with me. Here are the responses: 1. There is no place for Vairagya (dispassion) in True Love. True Love is nothing but Vairagya only. Because, a True Lover will not love for anything in return. He just loves for the sake of loving. For example, just now I spoke to an elderly and saintly person. He lost his wife a couple of days ago and I came to know about it only today. I spoke to him, and conveyed my condolences to him. He was touched and moved but at the same time, I was floored by his answer. It shows his maturity and spiritual balance and also expresses itself how one should 'Love' the other human being, just for the sake of love. He said, and I quote " God never does anything to hurt or punish his devotee. Whatever it is, He does for the welfare and spiritual progress of His devotee only. I think, even in this, i.e., losing my life companion, who lived and shared her life with me for so many years, must also be for something good for me " . I have no words to say anything in return, having heard these words from him. I was in tears of joy and my throat was chocked. It is the sign of Love and complete Vairagya or detachment. Let me also quote the words of Swami Sivananda here. LOVE IS THE PANACEA He who has no love cannot know God for God is love. Love is the greatest force in this world. Love is immortal. Love is God. Where love is there God is. Therefore become an embodiment of love. Love is God. Love is light. Light is wisdom. Wisdom is divine life it is oneness, unity. The deeper a man's love of God is, the greater is his spiritual knowledge. The final consummation of the love of God is union with God. Love of God is not easily acquired by self effort it is inborn in man by virtue of his spiritual evolution. Love God alone. Be detached and renounce everything for the sake of love of God. Cosmic love expects not any reward. It excludes none but includes all. Develop more and more pure divine love. Then the inner light will shine more brightly. Cultivate divine love. This selfless love is a great treasure a pearl of great price. Cultivate an abiding faith in God's love, mercy and grace. The lover himself becomes the beloved of his heart. Their love is so deep and intense that they merge in each other and then again re emerge. They are the two inseparable aspects of the one. Love envies not. Love resents not. Love revenges not. Love bargains not. God in his boundless love and mercy promptly chastises proud and arrogant persons, thus paving the way for a return to humility. God reveals himself daily to every human being but man shuts his eyes and does not see Him. Infinite is God. Infinite are His aspects and infinite are the ways to reach Him. The divine being is a living reality, a powerful presence that responds to our prayers, an all pervading delight of existence that sustains our life. Find God within yourself in silence. Love is the cure for all evil. The power of love can transform the universe which is fettered in chains of hatred. Love is all purifying and all redeeming. Love is the greatest purifying force in the world. Love is the greatest creative force in the world. 2. We assume ignorance as knowledge and then do devotion of God. At times or for that matter, most of the times, it is true. But, I feel, it does not matter, as long as one does not persist and dig his heels into it and keep arguing that he is right. Beginning is the most important thing. So, if not today, tomorrow, if not tomorrow, day after he will reach. That is what Swami Vivekananda also says. Every human being reaches the Ultimate Goal, but the question is how soon. 3. Does time move in a straight line or in a circle? All our scientific deductions are based on the basis of time moving in a straight line whereas all spiritual truths are based on the fact that time moves in a circle. Yes, because the aspirant has to come back to the Source and, therefore, naturally he moves in a circle. Let me quote here what Bhagawan Sri Ramana Maharshi says: Learn whatever you want to learn to unlearn what you learnt !!!. Is it not wonderful statement!!! 4. You are the master of time if you act in accordance with nature - you are its slave if you want nature to act in accordance with 'you' (your true form + nature). Absolutely right. If you go according to the rules of the nature, there is no disruption, there is no friction, there is no hindrance and there is no pain. 5. We control the world and God controls Time. Let us act in a manner that God is compelled to turn the clock back to when the world was exactly as God intended - a Beautiful Blissful World of Divine Love. Do you really believe in " we control the world? " Are we capable of controlling the world? We cannot control our own mind and vasanas, how can we control the mind? I believe, everything is controlled by God alone. 6. Life is a spiral, not a straight line. It becomes a circle of Love as soon as you realize that it begins exactly where it last ended. Comment give to Point No. 3 applies here too. 7. Let us Merge Religion and Science to reach the Absolute Truth. The greatest scientist Einstein says that, where science ends, there the religion starts. The essence of science is in our Vedas and once we perfectly understand Vedas, there is nothing more to understand about science at all. 8. The secret of life lies in the navel. The navel is the '10th door' which we have closed and are trying to find the secret of life through the other 9 doors. The navel is our life line. ??? Are you referring to Navadware puri dehe, etc. 9. You become complete only when you become one with your nature. Yes, one with the Nature, one with the Source, one with the Ultimate, one with the Creation, etc. 10. Praan Shakti = Heart Beat ??? 11. Karmayog is the simplest and easiest means for the awakening of the Kundalini Power. Yes, it is a path of thorns and there are innumerable attractions on the way. Beware !!! Karma mixed with Bhakti will be more comfortable, I think. Think it over. 12. The path of Gyaan and Karma are worldly and naturally take you downwards - where as the path of devotion is unworldly and naturally takes you upwards. In the end, all three meet and cumulate in Love. Does this statement contradicts the above statement, i.e., Karmayoga is ..... Kudalini Power " ? What do you mean by " worldly and downwards? " Downwards in what sense? Since you have added with the " worldly " , I think it should be " bahir " . If it is so, then how can Karmayog awakens Kudalini? 13. Satsang - is the relation between the heart and the navel. You do not do satsang - Satsang happens - it is the cause of your very existence. 'You' came into existence only because of Satsang - the connection of the heart (Praan) and navel. ??? Love and Love alone... P. Gopi Krishna -- from: Chandra Jalluri Namaste - On your second thought, do you mean even if one is ignorant (not sincere or total believer in god), one is qualified to devote to god (which may not be a whole hearted devotion) and yet acheive his blessings. Thank You. -- FROM : PRATAP BHATT Dear Sadhakas: Given here are very powerful pointers to TRUTH-GOD. Just by pondering over them may take us to our true nature, a glimpse of Sat-Chit-Ananda! I was/am joyous as I read them. I believe its Grace of GOD to us sadhakas to contemplate on them wherever and whenever. WHat I appreaciate: True Love encompasses Vairagya-dispassion. Devotion should be with knwoledge, and not in ignorance: like Lord Krishna says(paraphrased) He is fond of Gyani Bhaktas! Time is of circular nature and not straight line, true!(my comments: Time is of the nature of mind in terms of thought. We as Sat-Chit swarupa can/have never experienced time, being of timeless nature. As such when we think, time/space get created in conceiving an object into existence) # 4. Is a powerful pointer! You are master of time! (I understand " you " to be my real nature) All other pointers are contemplative in nature! # 12. I think Devotion is needed on the paths of Gyaan and Karma w/o which they tend to be intellectual/mechanical exercises. But To me only " Gyaan " is that of knowing who I am truely(Absolutely), rest is all Avidya in the sense of all knowledge is relative(useful for Lila). Karmas should be performed as if there is no Doer. With this understanding Gyaani is devoted to Truth-God equally as Devotee is to GOD and Karm-yogi to Duty. SO there is no upwards and downwards or no preference other than one's own disposition. # 13. How true it is that Satsang happens and not done! Truly 'we don't do satsang as 'we' don't even exist as individual! Thus " we " come into existence due to satsang has to mean as body-mind individual, and not as Atman which is true " I " we all are, ever existing. Sadar Pranams..... -- FROM: Prabhat Kumar Dhandania Ram Ram Please explain point no.11 -- Ram Ram Set out below are a few random thoughts that have been coming in my mind since the past few days. By the Grace of God, I have got a lot of answers to previously unanswered questions just by pondering on the same and I am very confident that all our family members who will ponder on the same and who believe in the Grace of God will also get similar experiences. I would request everyone not to look at the words but at the thought behind the words because I have not framed the words intellectually and they could contain many mistakes. The words are derived and based on the little that I have heard from saints as I have understood them to be. If there are any mistakes in the same, the same is only due to my understanding and the words of saints are in no manner erroneous. I am sure that the thoughts would be very beneficial to all the readers who ponder on the same and send in their views for the benefit of all. My thoughts are not at all connected - and a number of them may seem illogical and without any intellectual basis, but they have all given me insights to previously 'unknown' truths by me - truths which I firmly believed in but did not know. 1. There is no place for Vairagya (dispassion) in True Love. 2. We assume ignorance as knowledge and then do devotion of God. 3. Does time move in a straight line or in a circle? All our scientific deductions are based on the basis of time moving in a straight line whereas all spiritual truths are based on the fact that time moves in a circle. 4. You are the master of time if you act in accordance with nature - you are its slave if you want nature to act in accordance with 'you' (your true form + nature). 5. We control the world and God controls Time. Let us act in a manner that God is compelled to turn the clock back to when the world was exactly as God intended - a Beautiful Blissful World of Divine Love. 6. Life is a spiral, not a straight line. It becomes a circle of Love as soon as you realize that it begins exactly where it last ended. 7. Let us Merge Religion and Science to reach the Absolute Truth. 8. The secret of life lies in the navel. The navel is the '10th door' which we have closed and are trying to find the secret of life through the other 9 doors. The navel is our life line. 9. You become complete only when you become one with your nature. 10. Praan Shakti = Heart Beat 11. Karmayog is the simplest and easiest means for the awakening of the Kundalini Power. 12. The path of Gyaan and Karma are worldly and naturally take you downwards - where as the path of devotion is unworldly and naturally takes you upwards. In the end, all three meet and cumulate in Love. 13. Satsang - is the relation between the heart and the navel. You do not do satsang - Satsang happens - it is the cause of your very existence. 'You' came into existence only because of Satsang - the connection of the heart (Praan) and navel. Ram Ram Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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