How do bad influences and impressions fall on us ? (May 8, 2007)

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How do bad influences and impressions fall on us ? (May 8, 2007) i have been suffering from influence of krodha. this kroddha is sometimes aimed at others and is sometimes internalised. some extemely hurtful experiences of past are deeply etched on my memory. and even after several years of their occurance, i am not able to forget them. suddenly i remember them and become hysterically angry towards people who are actually my wellwishers..my own parents and most loved friends. Please help in as how should one get rid of such impressions. Please suggest some practical ways to get rid of past influences.

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Divine One!

There is a difference between action and actor. The tendencies of the past

give rise to action. Yet actor is a witness. Association of the actor with

action is the problem.

 

Lord says: " gatAsu na agatAnsuscha nAnusochanti panditAh " . The wise is not

worried about the past or future. Once one sees the Lord in everybody, the

association of the actor and action goes away. To err is human and to

forgive is Divine. The bravest of the brave can only forgive vilest of the

vile.

 

The Blessed Lord says " tasmAt sarvessu kAlessu mAmanusmara yudhya cha " . Go

through all the activities of your life thinking of Me always. It is not

worth to ruin the present by thinking of the past and day dreaming about

future.

 

Surrender to the Lord and rejoice in the Self. " TitikssA " or tolerance is a

very important part of " sAdhanA " . Accept the slur with a smile. Love one and

all. A Divine bliss will engulf you which has no parallel with material

pleasure. Try. Success will be yours.

 

humble regards

-m

 

 

>Shikha Singhal <shikhasinghal

>

>

> How do bad influences and impressions fall on us ?

>(May 8, 2007)

>Tue, 15 May 2007 17:04:49 +0100 (BST)

>

>How do bad influences and impressions fall on us ? (May 8, 2007)

>

> i have been suffering from influence of krodha.

> this kroddha is sometimes aimed at others and is sometimes internalised.

>

> some extemely hurtful experiences of past are deeply etched on my

>memory.

> and even after several years of their occurance, i am not able to forget

>them.

> suddenly i remember them and become hysterically angry towards people

>who are actually my wellwishers..my own parents and most loved friends.

>

> Please help in as how should one get rid of such impressions. Please

>suggest some practical ways to get rid of past influences.

[Guest guest]

Madam

Remember God & His Leela & delay the action when

krodha influence you.

Thanks

P.k.Singhal

 

 

--- Shikha Singhal <shikhasinghal wrote:

 

Dear Very dear as we all are to lovely Almighty..

JUst read your mail...and thought of writing few lines ...

You may agree with me that one should not be selfish..isnt it..

Now tell me ARE YOU SELFISH? How ...Dear one who is selfish gets affected or

influenced by the factors such as krodh, kam etc..

Solution or remedy is very simple ... dont go for further discussions over your

problem but rather try to locate how, when and why you are selfish and if you

are able to locate that selfishness then all your problems , not only krodh but

others also gradually will vanish... this is the assurance..

See iam not guiding you just telling you my own feeling because in this world

everybody speaks of his/her own..

Now dear whenever krodh is felt just try to locate the reason ...obviously some

reason will be there....and then at that reason check out whether it was you

only who wanted something and when it was not fulfilled you got influenced by

krodha....Secondly dont scratch over the memories...make it very sure no body

survived with memeories...it is you who is in the habit of going to memories ,,,

so IT IS YOU only who is throwing the questions and IT WILL BE YOU only who will

throw the solutions..

Shree Hari...

 

Sanjayt mohan

 

TRY TO FORGET THOSE PEOPLE ON WHOM U ARE ANGRY.ALWAYS KEEP A DISTANCE FROM

YOUR ENMY AND U WILL FORGET AND THE RAGE SHALL SLOWLY VANISH.

 

N PANDA

 

Actually i am also suffering from the same mental pressure which you have

discussed.

awaiting a quick response.

regards,

puneet goenka

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How do get rid of bad influences and impressions ? (May 15, 2007)

Posted by: " Sadhak " sadhak_insight sadhak_insight

Tue May 15, 2007 1:22 pm (PST)

:Shree Hari:

 

Jyestha Krishna Trayodashi, Vikram Samvat 2064, Mangalvar

15th May, 2007, Tuesday

 

Ram Ram

 

Question: How to get rid of bad influences and impressions ?

Swamiji: It has therefore been said -

" Kaathinnyam vishaye kuryaad dravattvam bhagawatpade. " (Bhaktirasaayan 1:32)

 

It is therefore desirable for a Spiritual Aspirant to make his mind remain firm

(impenetrable) when it comes to relating with sense objects, whereas, when it

comes to relating with God, the Supreme Consciousness, the Truth, one must keep

the mind fluid, flowing and melting.

 

It is in the fluid mind that impressions get imbedded. When the inner faculty

becomes fluid, at that time it leaves everything else, and when that mind

engages in thoughts of enjoying pleasures then new impressions are formed on the

mind. Whether you engage and immerse your mind either while enjoying pleasures

or while contemplating on enjoying pleasures, in both these instances, new

impressions will be formed on the mind. These impressions will further trouble

you; then they will be recollected and remembered. Therefore do not take joy or

feel sorrowful in these thoughts. Whether good or bad comes, simply do not cling

to it. Whether pleasurable things come, or unpleasurable things come your way,

let not your mind become joyful or sorrowful. When the mind becomes joyful or

sorrowful, in either instances, impressions are left on the mind.

 

Mind is like wax. Madhusudanacharya has said that Iron is solid; however when

fired hot, it becomes molten like, softened and melts. Similarly even though the

mind is inert and solid, but on coming in contact with heat it melts.

 

Now who is the one that heats? It has been explained -

 

Kaama krodh bhaya sneha harsh shokh dayaa dayaha

Taapkaaschritt jatanustschaantau kathinam tu tat. "

 

There are seven things that are the cause the heat, that makes the mind melt.

They are - Passionate Desires (kaam), anger (krodh), fear (bhay), affection

(sneh), rejoicing (harsh), grief (shaukh), compassion (daya). When the desire is

very intense, and one gets to enjoy the objects, then while indulging in these

pleasures, deep impressions are left on the mind. These old impressions and

sentiments are troubling and constantly remembered, again and again. Do not give

them importance. They are of the past, they are not of the present.

 

The main thing to remember is that - they are not there in the present. They are

not there right now, they do not there at this moment. This is truly a very

effective and highly weighted " Mantra " . Whenever something of the past is

remembered, clearly remember that it is not there in the present. Even while

engaging in enjoyment of pleasures, if you experienced the enjoyment, those

impressions will not be easily wiped off. Therefore a spiritual aspirant must be

extra cautious and careful, and clearly be aware that this is not their

objective, their aim.

 

From " Sunder Samaaj ka Nirmaan " in Hindi by Swami Ramsukhdasji - pg 40

--

Paritala Gopi Krishna

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> How do bad influences and impressions fall on us ?

> (May 8, 2007)

>

> i have been suffering from influence of krodha.

> this kroddha is sometimes aimed at others and is

> sometimes internalised.

>

> some extemely hurtful experiences of past are

> deeply etched on my memory.

> and even after several years of their occurance, i

> am not able to forget them.

> suddenly i remember them and become hysterically

> angry towards people who are actually my

> wellwishers..my own parents and most loved friends.

>

> Please help in as how should one get rid of such

> impressions. Please suggest some practical ways to

> get rid of past influences.

[Guest guest]

Shree Hari Ram Ram Shree Hari

Ram Ram

Priya Sadhak, prasana ke liye dhanyavad!

Swamiji Maharaj has provided specific explanation on this very subject in two places:

1. Pls. refer to "Krodha par Vijay Kesai Ho"

on page 107 in "Jivanupyogi Parbachan" (Publication # 410). Also available for reading in Hindi on Swamiji's website (under books in Hindi).

Swamiji Maharaj says - the fundamental question is "where does Krodha come from?" Gitaji (2-62) says Krodha comes from kama (kamatkodhoabhjayate). Then, what is kamna truly? Generally, people think yearning for money, property etc. is called Kamna, but Swamiji Maharaj says -

" This should happen and that should not happen" is truly the Kamna. Now what we wish should happen, but does not happen or what we wish should not happen, happens, it gives rise to Krodha. So this is the real reason for the anger.

Are people asking us first before they do anything? Would they do according to what our mind says? We want our wife, son, servant to do according to what we say. But don't they have mind of their own? Don’t they have a similar desire that their wish (their kamana) too should be carried out? They also have a similar wish too - this should happen and this should not happen! Then how can we expect them to follow what we say? Are we ready to carry out what they want? On our continually insisting on our wishes we are only boosting our own pride!

 

Swamiji Maharaj advises us not to insist on our demand on others to do what we want. This way our pride would stay in-check. Because this pride is the king of ASURIK SAMPATI, leading to anger, greed, delusion, show-off, jealousy etc.

 

More details are contained in the above referenced discourse available for online listening.

 

2. Refer to Swamiji's Website www.swamiramsukhdasji.org – Vishesh Parbachan, # (113) "Kodha Nash ka Upai" Ram Ram

 

Humble pranam

a sadhak

 

 

Shikha Singhal <shikhasinghal wrote: How do bad influences and impressions fall on us ? (May 8, 2007) i have been suffering from influence of krodha. this kroddha is sometimes aimed at others and is sometimes internalised. some extemely hurtful experiences of past are deeply etched on my memory. and even after several years of their occurance, i am not able to forget them. suddenly i remember them and become hysterically angry towards people who are actually my wellwishers..my own parents and most loved friends. Please help in as how should one get rid of such impressions.

Please suggest some practical ways to get rid of past influences.

[Guest guest]

pray pray & pray

god will do it for the devotee

hari bol

 

On Mon, 21 May 2007 Madan kaura wrote :

>

> Shikha Singhal <shikhasinghal wrote:

>

> How do bad influences and impressions fall on us ? (May 8, 2007)

>

> i have been suffering from influence of krodha.

> this kroddha is sometimes aimed at others and is sometimes internalised.

>

> some extemely hurtful experiences of past are deeply etched on my memory.

> and even after several years of their occurance, i am not able to forget them.

> suddenly i remember them and become hysterically angry towards people who are actually my wellwishers..my own parents and most loved friends.

>

> Please help in as how should one get rid of such impressions. Please suggest some practical ways to get rid of past influences.

>

[Guest guest]

Dear A.H.Dalmia and others,

 

I am a new member of this group. I left all religions long back and

from outside I am able to see many things without any hangover. As the

subject here is " Krodh " . To the extenT I know Bhagwat Gita asks

everybody to control the feelings of Kama, krodha, mada, Matsarya. But,

it is not explAining how deeply you yourself can find out the origin of

the same and disappearance. That is not a subject discussed in detail

there.

 

But, vipasana meditation will help you to control all these. ControlLing

is not actually suppressing, hiding the feeling out of fear or guilt

etc. It is seeing the working of " Krodha " , meditating on " Krodha " . As

Mr.Dalmia said " wait to react " is not possible just with that sentence.

I read that in 7 habits of highly effective people. How can we wait?

that is the main issue when we are so habitually addicted to " anger " .

When somebody is " Angry " on certain external incident, thing or

phenomena or person, our mind responds and says to us that this is not

what you want, now you react with anger. because of your anger habit, it

doesn't take much time to the process to kick in instantaneously. Then,

you become a slave of your habit which is anger. Then, your anger

creating electric signals produces that signal quite often and you

become a victim to your anger.

 

First, understanding this process to the subtlest extent is required.

" Vipassana Meditation " will help you to do so. Then " Metta Meditation "

which in english " Loving Kindness Meditation " . Forgiving is not

actually forgiving something external. Forgiving is to yourself, your

mind, the way it misbehaves. It is therapeutic. For which, you should

have a liking to the images you stored in " dislike " folder. That

practice is called " Loving Kindness Meditation " . I assure you, if you

practice both the above, not just Krodha, all other Lust, greed,

ego etc also comes down and fear vanishes slowly.

 

What else can bring happiness, than having more control on our thoughts and feelings?

 

With a lot of compassion,

 

Rajeev ---------- This is my humble opinion. Anytime we analyze a little deep into 'anger' or 'krodh', I guess, it always starts from the desire which you feel need to be fulfilled. As much the stakes of the desire, so much will be the intensity of the anger if you do not get it. Also, the 'desire' is always for something othat than oneself. But once you do not worry about the fruits of ur actions (as in Geeta 3rd Chapter Karma Yoga), and just enjoy doing the work/anything as a part of duty or part of offering to the Lord, then even in thar realm, if that particualr desire is not fulfilled..one will not be upset. Once we are not upset, no need to worry about anger. Another way we probably may get angry is..even if we are not having the desire, we may feel angry towards whats happening in this world..corruption, disloyalty etc . When we come accross these situations, just remembering that we do not have control over other person's honesty or loyalty etc..the only thing in our control is ourselves trying to what we wanted in others. Once we get to that, I guess..anger will slowly vanish by itself.

Regards. Bharathi ---------- My heartfelt thanks for these enlightened exchanged messages and guidance. Mealy T

---------- Madan ji, Pranam. I read your responses with interest. You have the great and uncommon

ability to put things in simple words and make it easy to grasp the innate meaning. Thanks for your posting. Hope all is well at your end. Abiding regards. L. N. Sastry ---------- On 5/29/07, A H Dalmia <ahdalmia wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

Prabhuji,

 

" Krodh " is in nature and not in Atma. As a rule everything in nature keeps changing. Hence, my personal experience in restraining krodh is " Wait before you react " . If you do this you will yourself realise after waitng, intensity of krodh has reduced. If you wait a little longer, you will realise how futile was the anger. If you at that time ponder over the matter, you may even realise the mistake in the first place was your own as you either misunderstood the other person or failed to appreciate his point of view.

 

One more important thingn is that Krodh is very intelligent. You must have seen that you dont unload the same on a stronger person. Invariably, it unloads on a weaker person. How unfair???

 

A.H.Dalmia

 

 

 

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badri prasad taneja

 

Tuesday, May 22, 2007 7:52 PM

 

Re: Re: How do bad influences and impressions fall on us ? (May 8, 2007)

 

 

 

pray pray & praygod will do it for the devoteehari bolOn Mon, 21 May 2007 Madan kaura wrote :>> Shikha Singhal <shikhasinghal wrote:>> How do bad influences and impressions fall on us ? (May 8, 2007)>> i have been suffering from influence of krodha.> this kroddha is sometimes aimed at others and is sometimes internalised.>> some extemely hurtful experiences of past are deeply etched on my memory.> and even after several years of their occurance, i am not able to forget them.> suddenly i remember them and become hysterically angry towards people who are actually my wellwishers..my own parents and most loved friends.>> Please help in as how should one get rid of such impressions. Please suggest some practical ways to get rid of past influences.>

[Guest guest]

Prabhuji,

 

"Krodh" is in nature and not in Atma. As a rule everything in nature keeps changing. Hence, my personal experience in restraining krodh is "Wait before you react". If you do this you will yourself realise after waitng, intensity of krodh has reduced. If you wait a little longer, you will realise how futile was the anger. If you at that time ponder over the matter, you may even realise the mistake in the first place was your own as you either misunderstood the other person or failed to appreciate his point of view.

 

One more important thingn is that Krodh is very intelligent. You must have seen that you dont unload the same on a stronger person. Invariably, it unloads on a weaker person. How unfair???

 

A.H.Dalmia

 

 

 

-

badri prasad taneja

Tuesday, May 22, 2007 7:52 PM

Re: Re: How do bad influences and impressions fall on us ? (May 8, 2007)

 

 

 

pray pray & praygod will do it for the devoteehari bolOn Mon, 21 May 2007 Madan kaura wrote :>> Shikha Singhal <shikhasinghal (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote:>> How do bad influences and impressions fall on us ? (May 8, 2007)>> i have been suffering from influence of krodha.> this kroddha is sometimes aimed at others and is sometimes internalised.>> some extemely hurtful experiences of past are deeply etched on my memory.> and even after several years of their occurance, i am not able to forget them.> suddenly i remember them and become hysterically angry towards people who are actually my wellwishers..my own parents and most loved friends.>> Please help in as how should one get rid of such impressions. Please suggest some practical ways to get rid of past influences.>

[Guest guest]

I have also done Vipassana and found the practice of Samata and acute observation extremely useful.

The same has been emphasized and reemphasized in bhagvadgita many times as 'samatvam yoga uchhyate' and at many other places. Samata is one of the central messages of Bhagavadgita. But bhagvadgita points out that there are different people with different temperaments and and only one method to the exclusion of all other ways may not be suitable to all. I tried all the paths but what the Bhakti opened my heart instantly, and as I prayed to Sri Krishna and listened to the lives of bhaktas, I found myself more with samata and insight then when I was doing vipasana alone. While I know many friends for whom Vipassana has worked wonderfully. But just out of curiosity, I tested the promise made by Sri Krishna, and to my utter amazement found that prapatti and rememberance of Lord, filled my day and night with utter joy and fulfillment which has been ever increasing. But this does not mean that this is the only way. Sr Krishna himself gave so many ways, before giving the easiest way out of samsara. Even Goenka ji said that Sri KRishna gave the way of Vipassana too.

 

But to my wonder and surprise, I have found out that Bhakti is truly otherworldly, it brings in vilakhsana and alaukik joy, to everyone irrespective of their capacities. With surrender or prapatti, something really amazing happens. BUt one has to experiment with sincere heart, or else know honestly that no other way is working for him; either he or she lacks the strength, patience and capacity or the way lacks something which is not according to his or her temperament.

 

Regards,

 

On 5/26/07, Rajeev G <r.gov2005 wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

Dear A.H.Dalmia and others,I am a new member of this group. I left all religions long back and from outside I am able to see many things without any hangover. As the subject here is " Krodh " . To the extenT I know Bhagwat Gita asks everybody to control the feelings of Kama, krodha, mada, Matsarya. But, it is not explAining how deeply you yourself can find out the origin of the same and disappearance. That is not a subject discussed in detail there.

But, vipasana meditation will help you to control all these. ControlLing is not actually suppressing, hiding the feeling out of fear or guilt etc. It is seeing the working of " Krodha " , meditating on " Krodha " . As Mr.Dalmia said " wait to react " is not possible just with that sentence. I read that in 7 habits of highly effective people. How can we wait? that is the main issue when we are so habitually addicted to " anger " . When somebody is " Angry " on certain external incident, thing or phenomena or person, our mind responds and says to us that this is not what you want, now you react with anger. because of your anger habit, it doesn't take much time to the process to kick in instantaneously. Then, you become a slave of your habit which is anger. Then, your anger creating electric signals produces that signal quite often and you become a victim to your anger. First, understanding this process to the subtlest extent is required. " Vipassana Meditation " will help you to do so. Then " Metta Meditation " which in english " Loving Kindness Meditation " . Forgiving is not actually forgiving something external. Forgiving is to yourself, your mind, the way it misbehaves. It is therapeutic. For which, you should have a liking to the images you stored in " dislike " folder. That practice is called " Loving Kindness Meditation " . I assure you, if you practice both the above, not just Krodha, all other Lust, greed, ego etc also comes down and fear vanishes slowly. What else can bring happiness, than having more control on our thoughts and feelings?With a lot of compassion,Rajeev---------- This is my humble opinion. Anytime we analyze a little deep into 'anger' or 'krodh', I guess, it always starts from the desire which you feel need to be fulfilled. As much the stakes of the desire, so much will be the intensity of the anger if you do not get it. Also, the 'desire' is always for something othat than oneself. But once you do not worry about the fruits of ur actions (as in Geeta 3rd Chapter Karma Yoga), and just enjoy doing the work/anything as a part of duty or part of offering to the Lord, then even in thar realm, if that particualr desire is not fulfilled..one will not be upset. Once we are not upset, no need to worry about anger. Another way we probably may get angry is..even if we are not having the desire, we may feel angry towards whats happening in this world..corruption, disloyalty etc . When we come accross these situations, just remembering that we do not have control over other person's honesty or loyalty etc..the only thing in our control is ourselves trying to what we wanted in others. Once we get to that, I guess..anger will slowly vanish by itself. Regards. Bharathi ---------- My heartfelt thanks for these enlightened exchanged messages and guidance. Mealy T ---------- Madan ji, Pranam.

I read your responses with interest. You have the great and uncommon ability to put things in simple words and make it easy to grasp the innate meaning. Thanks for your posting.

Hope all is well at your end.

Abiding regards. L. N. Sastry ----------

On 5/29/07, A H Dalmia <ahdalmia

> wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

Prabhuji,

 

" Krodh " is in nature and not in Atma. As a rule everything in nature keeps changing. Hence, my personal experience in restraining krodh is " Wait before you react " . If you do this you will yourself realise after waitng, intensity of krodh has reduced. If you wait a little longer, you will realise how futile was the anger. If you at that time ponder over the matter, you may even realise the mistake in the first place was your own as you either misunderstood the other person or failed to appreciate his point of view.

 

 

One more important thingn is that Krodh is very intelligent. You must have seen that you dont unload the same on a stronger person. Invariably, it unloads on a weaker person. How unfair???

 

A.H.Dalmia

 

 

 

-

 

badri prasad taneja

 

Tuesday, May 22, 2007 7:52 PM

Re: Re: How do bad influences and impressions fall on us ? (May 8, 2007)

 

 

 

 

pray pray & praygod will do it for the devoteehari bolOn Mon, 21 May 2007 Madan kaura wrote :>> Shikha Singhal <

shikhasinghal wrote:>> How do bad influences and impressions fall on us ? (May 8, 2007)>> i have been suffering from influence of krodha.> this kroddha is sometimes aimed at others and is sometimes internalised.

>> some extemely hurtful experiences of past are deeply etched on my memory.> and even after several years of their occurance, i am not able to forget them.> suddenly i remember them and become hysterically angry towards people who are actually my wellwishers..my own parents and most loved friends.

>> Please help in as how should one get rid of such impressions. Please suggest some practical ways to get rid of past influences.>

[Guest guest]

I think it is not reasonable to pass a judgement on Gitaji, without knowing facts. May I suggest that you please read Chapter 2 verses 60 onwards. Besides, please note that Gitaji teaches how to achieve salvation. This is what the goal of all human life should be.

 

May I now elaborate on "Wait to react". Please see Gitaji Chapter 2 Verse 14, where Lord has explained that everythig in nature is constantly changing "Agamapayino Nitya". Krodh being in nature, it also has the same characteristic. It comes with a force and if we allow time by waiting, it will certainly go. I have tried it on myself and have suggested it to others with encouraging results. I suggest that you also please try it before rejecting.

 

GITAJI IS THE GREATEST WEALTH FOR SEEKERS. I WILL NOT AND CAN NOT ACCEPT THAT THERE CAN BE ANYTHING IN THE MIND OF TRUE SEEKER THAT GITAJI WILL NOT ANSWER. SEEKER ONLY HAS TO BE SINCERE.

 

If I don't offend you, may I ask how many tikas of Gitaji have you read and how many times have you read those tikas, so that you find yourself to be able to pass judgement on Gitaji. Also, have you meditated on the text and tikas of Gitaji???

 

I beleive Gita-Talk group is expected to interact on matters relating to doubts arising in the mind of Sadhaks and not by people who have left all religions long back and are, therefore, not sadhaks. Sorry for sounding rude.

 

A.H.Dalmia

 

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Ram Ram

I agree to have more control on our thoughts and feelings to get equanimity but attachment of happiness is obstacles in it

P.K.Singhal. ----------

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Saturday, May 26, 2007 11:56 AM

Re: Re: How do bad influences and impressions fall on us ? (May 8, 2007)

 

 

Dear A.H.Dalmia and others,I am a new member of this group. I left all religions long back and from outside I am able to see many things without any hangover. As the subject here is "Krodh". To the extenT I know Bhagwat Gita asks everybody to control the feelings of Kama, krodha, mada, Matsarya. But, it is not explAining how deeply you yourself can find out the origin of the same and disappearance. That is not a subject discussed in detail there.But, vipasana meditation will help you to control all these. ControlLing is not actually suppressing, hiding the feeling out of fear or guilt etc. It is seeing the working of "Krodha", meditating on "Krodha". As Mr.Dalmia said "wait to react" is not possible just with that sentence. I read that in 7 habits of highly effective people. How can we wait? that is the main issue when we are so habitually addicted to "anger". When somebody is "Angry" on certain external incident, thing or phenomena or person, our mind responds and says to us that this is not what you want, now you react with anger. because of your anger habit, it doesn't take much time to the process to kick in instantaneously. Then, you become a slave of your habit which is anger. Then, your anger creating electric signals produces that signal quite often and you become a victim to your anger. First, understanding this process to the subtlest extent is required. "Vipassana Meditation" will help you to do so. Then "Metta Meditation" which in english "Loving Kindness Meditation". Forgiving is not actually forgiving something external. Forgiving is to yourself, your mind, the way it misbehaves. It is therapeutic. For which, you should have a liking to the images you stored in "dislike" folder. That practice is called "Loving Kindness Meditation". I assure you, if you practice both the above, not just Krodha, all other Lust, greed, ego etc also comes down and fear vanishes slowly. What else can bring happiness, than having more control on our thoughts and feelings?With a lot of compassion,Rajeev---------- This is my humble opinion. Anytime we analyze a little deep into 'anger' or 'krodh', I guess, it always starts from the desire which you feel need to be fulfilled. As much the stakes of the desire, so much will be the intensity of the anger if you do not get it. Also, the 'desire' is always for something othat than oneself. But once you do not worry about the fruits of ur actions (as in Geeta 3rd Chapter Karma Yoga), and just enjoy doing the work/anything as a part of duty or part of offering to the Lord, then even in thar realm, if that particualr desire is not fulfilled..one will not be upset. Once we are not upset, no need to worry about anger. Another way we probably may get angry is..even if we are not having the desire, we may feel angry towards whats happening in this world..corruption, disloyalty etc . When we come accross these situations, just remembering that we do not have control over other person's honesty or loyalty etc..the only thing in our control is ourselves trying to what we wanted in others. Once we get to that, I guess..anger will slowly vanish by itself. Regards.

Bharathi

---------- My heartfelt thanks for these enlightened exchanged messages and guidance. Mealy T ---------- Madan ji, Pranam.

I read your responses with interest. You have the great and uncommon ability to put things in simple words and make it easy to grasp the innate meaning. Thanks for your posting.

 

Hope all is well at your end.

 

Abiding regards. L. N. Sastry

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On 5/29/07, A H Dalmia <ahdalmia (AT) renaissance-group (DOT) com> wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

Prabhuji,

 

"Krodh" is in nature and not in Atma. As a rule everything in nature keeps changing. Hence, my personal experience in restraining krodh is "Wait before you react". If you do this you will yourself realise after waitng, intensity of krodh has reduced. If you wait a little longer, you will realise how futile was the anger. If you at that time ponder over the matter, you may even realise the mistake in the first place was your own as you either misunderstood the other person or failed to appreciate his point of view.

 

One more important thingn is that Krodh is very intelligent. You must have seen that you dont unload the same on a stronger person. Invariably, it unloads on a weaker person. How unfair???

 

A.H.Dalmia

 

 

 

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badri prasad taneja

Tuesday, May 22, 2007 7:52 PM

Re: Re: How do bad influences and impressions fall on us ? (May 8, 2007)

 

 

 

pray pray & praygod will do it for the devoteehari bolOn Mon, 21 May 2007 Madan kaura wrote :>> Shikha Singhal <shikhasinghal (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote:>> How do bad influences and impressions fall on us ? (May 8, 2007)>> i have been suffering from influence of krodha.> this kroddha is sometimes aimed at others and is sometimes internalised.>> some extemely hurtful experiences of past are deeply etched on my memory.> and even after several years of their occurance, i am not able to forget them.> suddenly i remember them and become hysterically angry towards people who are actually my wellwishers..my own parents and most loved friends.>> Please help in as how should one get rid of such impressions. Please suggest some practical ways to get rid of past influences.>

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Jai SHri Krishna

 

These are excellent remarks, Yogshji.

Can you pl. share your views abt how Shrimad Bhagwad Gita gave the way of Vipassana?

 

I feel Vipassana works. But it feels very dry. Very very dry.

There is nothing like loving Shri Krishna and his remembrance all the time

 

Keep saying

Hai Nath, Hai Mere Nath, Main aapko bhulu Nahi

 

 

Jai SHri Krishna

 

 

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Yogesh Kumar Katare

Tuesday, May 29, 2007 7:09 PM

Re: Re: How do bad influences and impressions fall on us ? (May 8, 2007)

 

 

 

 

I have also done Vipassana and found the practice of Samata and acute observation extremely useful.

The same has been emphasized and reemphasized in bhagvadgita many times as 'samatvam yoga uchhyate' and at many other places. Samata is one of the central messages of Bhagavadgita. But bhagvadgita points out that there are different people with different temperaments and and only one method to the exclusion of all other ways may not be suitable to all. I tried all the paths but what the Bhakti opened my heart instantly, and as I prayed to Sri Krishna and listened to the lives of bhaktas, I found myself more with samata and insight then when I was doing vipasana alone. While I know many friends for whom Vipassana has worked wonderfully. But just out of curiosity, I tested the promise made by Sri Krishna, and to my utter amazement found that prapatti and rememberance of Lord, filled my day and night with utter joy and fulfillment which has been ever increasing. But this does not mean that this is the only way. Sr Krishna himself gave so many ways, before giving the easiest way out of samsara. Even Goenka ji said that Sri KRishna gave the way of Vipassana too.

But to my wonder and surprise, I have found out that Bhakti is truly otherworldly, it brings in vilakhsana and alaukik joy, to everyone irrespective of their capacities. With surrender or prapatti, something really amazing happens. BUt one has to experiment with sincere heart, or else know honestly that no other way is working for him; either he or she lacks the strength, patience and capacity or the way lacks something which is not according to his or her temperament.

Regards,

 

On 5/26/07, Rajeev G <r.gov2005 > wrote:

 

 

 

 

Dear A.H.Dalmia and others,I am a new member of this group. I left all religions long back and from outside I am able to see many things without any hangover. As the subject here is "Krodh". To the extenT I know Bhagwat Gita asks everybody to control the feelings of Kama, krodha, mada, Matsarya. But, it is not explAining how deeply you yourself can find out the origin of the same and disappearance. That is not a subject discussed in detail there. But, vipasana meditation will help you to control all these. ControlLing is not actually suppressing, hiding the feeling out of fear or guilt etc. It is seeing the working of "Krodha", meditating on "Krodha". As Mr.Dalmia said "wait to react" is not possible just with that sentence. I read that in 7 habits of highly effective people. How can we wait? that is the main issue when we are so habitually addicted to "anger". When somebody is "Angry" on certain external incident, thing or phenomena or person, our mind responds and says to us that this is not what you want, now you react with anger. because of your anger habit, it doesn't take much time to the process to kick in instantaneously. Then, you become a slave of your habit which is anger. Then, your anger creating electric signals produces that signal quite often and you become a victim to your anger. First, understanding this process to the subtlest extent is required. "Vipassana Meditation" will help you to do so. Then "Metta Meditation" which in english "Loving Kindness Meditation". Forgiving is not actually forgiving something external. Forgiving is to yourself, your mind, the way it misbehaves. It is therapeutic. For which, you should have a liking to the images you stored in "dislike" folder. That practice is called "Loving Kindness Meditation". I assure you, if you practice both the above, not just Krodha, all other Lust, greed, ego etc also comes down and fear vanishes slowly. What else can bring happiness, than having more control on our thoughts and feelings?With a lot of compassion,Rajeev---------- This is my humble opinion. Anytime we analyze a little deep into 'anger' or 'krodh', I guess, it always starts from the desire which you feel need to be fulfilled. As much the stakes of the desire, so much will be the intensity of the anger if you do not get it. Also, the 'desire' is always for something othat than oneself. But once you do not worry about the fruits of ur actions (as in Geeta 3rd Chapter Karma Yoga), and just enjoy doing the work/anything as a part of duty or part of offering to the Lord, then even in thar realm, if that particualr desire is not fulfilled..one will not be upset. Once we are not upset, no need to worry about anger. Another way we probably may get angry is..even if we are not having the desire, we may feel angry towards whats happening in this world..corruption, disloyalty etc . When we come accross these situations, just remembering that we do not have control over other person's honesty or loyalty etc..the only thing in our control is ourselves trying to what we wanted in others. Once we get to that, I guess..anger will slowly vanish by itself. Regards. Bharathi ---------- My heartfelt thanks for these enlightened exchanged messages and guidance. Mealy T ---------- Madan ji, Pranam.

I read your responses with interest. You have the great and uncommon ability to put things in simple words and make it easy to grasp the innate meaning. Thanks for your posting.

Hope all is well at your end.

Abiding regards. L. N. Sastry ----------

On 5/29/07, A H Dalmia <ahdalmia (AT) renaissance-group (DOT) com > wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

Prabhuji,

 

"Krodh" is in nature and not in Atma. As a rule everything in nature keeps changing. Hence, my personal experience in restraining krodh is "Wait before you react". If you do this you will yourself realise after waitng, intensity of krodh has reduced. If you wait a little longer, you will realise how futile was the anger. If you at that time ponder over the matter, you may even realise the mistake in the first place was your own as you either misunderstood the other person or failed to appreciate his point of view.

 

One more important thingn is that Krodh is very intelligent. You must have seen that you dont unload the same on a stronger person. Invariably, it unloads on a weaker person. How unfair???

 

A.H.Dalmia

 

 

 

-

badri prasad taneja

Tuesday, May 22, 2007 7:52 PM

Re: Re: How do bad influences and impressions fall on us ? (May 8, 2007)

 

 

 

pray pray & praygod will do it for the devoteehari bolOn Mon, 21 May 2007 Madan kaura wrote :>> Shikha Singhal < shikhasinghal (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote:>> How do bad influences and impressions fall on us ? (May 8, 2007)>> i have been suffering from influence of krodha.> this kroddha is sometimes aimed at others and is sometimes internalised. >> some extemely hurtful experiences of past are deeply etched on my memory.> and even after several years of their occurance, i am not able to forget them.> suddenly i remember them and become hysterically angry towards people who are actually my wellwishers..my own parents and most loved friends. >> Please help in as how should one get rid of such impressions. Please suggest some practical ways to get rid of past influences.>