Guest guest Posted June 14, 2007 Report Share Posted June 14, 2007 Loving Divine, With humble pranams, I present few sentences for discussion: If Soul / Atma doesn't die, if matter / jad doesn't die then who dies? Little clarification: we call prakruti/body jad so think before giving your answer. If Soul doesn't eat and body (dead man can not eat) doesn't eat then who actually needs food? If Soul is all pervading, that means this consciousness is with, within and without then why we call somebody 'dead'? Enough for now. With love, always at Thy Divine Feet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 15, 2007 Report Share Posted June 15, 2007 Dear Sadhaka, namaste! Manjulaji has given a wonderful food for us to chew! Q:Who dies if soul or Jad body/prakruti don't die? - None, really! Body is integration of elements- mahabhutas, and they disintegrate eventually back into the elements. Atman doesn't come and go, no birth and death, one indivisible Consciousness, giving prakruti its existence, like sun giving life on earth. So Birth and death are concepts of mind! Body gives up Prana/Atman shakti(cannot hold on any longer) due to its detoriation with time and we say its a death! But isness-existence of deadbody continues as mahabhutas! Q:If Soul doesn't eat and body (dead man can not eat) doesn't eat then who actually needs food? A:Only in the presence of Atman and Prana shakti(of Atman only) body(food body) seems to be eating apparant food in another form.(Brahmarpanam, Brahmahavi....) Q:If Soul is all pervading, that means this consciousness is with, within and without then why we call somebody 'dead'? A: Just as Consciousness is all pervading, still we call prakruti Jad(as in first question of yours) which is a concept of mind. From the Consciousness point of view, its just a pure perception of an object we call dead, like all other objects of the world inside and outside! Our mind has conceptualized the perceived object as dead or alive, good or bad, pleasures or pains etc etc for practical reasons. We cannot experience Jad-gross as Jad, it is experienced only as Consciousness of that which we choose to call Jad/dead, otherwise in itself it is not Jad or chetan, dead or alive etc etc. all being concepts of mind! Saadar Namaskar! --- Manjula Patel <manjumaa wrote: > Loving Divine, > With humble pranams, I present few sentences for > discussion: > > - If Soul / Atma doesn't die, if matter / jad > doesn't die then who > dies? Little clarification: we call > prakruti/body jad so think before > giving your answer. > - If Soul doesn't eat and body (dead man can not > eat) doesn't eat then > who actually needs food? > - If Soul is all pervading, that means this > consciousness is with, > within and without then why we call somebody > 'dead'? > > Enough for now. > With love, > always at Thy Divine Feet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 17, 2007 Report Share Posted June 17, 2007 Refer : Charak SamhitaAtman joins with Mun (chetna) in the womb to form a seed or living body with senses (indriyas). Senses are tools of inquiry on behest of the mun while venturing into an unknown reality. Each of Indryas (senses) powered by Mun have their respective specialization(vishya). Results of inquiry from Vishaya of Indra (senses) is collected into Smriti (chitra/ chitta). This Chitta is then evaluated by the Mun using the intellect (buddhi) for information. Information is then divided into two parts. Incorrect information is reprocessed by karma or experimentation and accepted information becomes Belief. This cycle goes on, and becomes a model of transformation. K G On 6/16/07, Pratap Bhatt <pratapbhatt wrote: Dear Sadhaka, namaste! Manjulaji has given a wonderful food for us to chew! Q:Who dies if soul or Jad body/prakruti don't die? - None, really! Body is integration of elements- mahabhutas, and they disintegrate eventually back into the elements. Atman doesn't come and go, no birth and death, one indivisible Consciousness, giving prakruti its existence, like sun giving life on earth. So Birth and death are concepts of mind! Body gives up Prana/Atman shakti(cannot hold on any longer) due to its detoriation with time and we say its a death! But isness-existence of deadbody continues as mahabhutas! Q:If Soul doesn't eat and body (dead man can not eat) doesn't eat then who actually needs food? A:Only in the presence of Atman and Prana shakti(of Atman only) body(food body) seems to be eating apparant food in another form.(Brahmarpanam, Brahmahavi....) Q:If Soul is all pervading, that means this consciousness is with, within and without then why we call somebody 'dead'? A: Just as Consciousness is all pervading, still we call prakruti Jad(as in first question of yours) which is a concept of mind. From the Consciousness point of view, its just a pure perception of an object we call dead, like all other objects of the world inside and outside! Our mind has conceptualized the perceived object as dead or alive, good or bad, pleasures or pains etc etc for practical reasons. We cannot experience Jad-gross as Jad, it is experienced only as Consciousness of that which we choose to call Jad/dead, otherwise in itself it is not Jad or chetan, dead or alive etc etc. all being concepts of mind! Saadar Namaskar! --- Manjula Patel <manjumaa wrote: > Loving Divine, > With humble pranams, I present few sentences for > discussion: > > - If Soul / Atma doesn't die, if matter / jad > doesn't die then who > dies? Little clarification: we call > prakruti/body jad so think before > giving your answer. > - If Soul doesn't eat and body (dead man can not > eat) doesn't eat then > who actually needs food? > - If Soul is all pervading, that means this > consciousness is with, > within and without then why we call somebody > 'dead'? > > Enough for now. > With love, > always at Thy Divine Feet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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