Guest guest Posted June 20, 2007 Report Share Posted June 20, 2007 In your recent Sadhak message on DESIRES it was shared that Desires of four types - - Artha (Wealth); Dharma (Righteousness), "Kaama" (Passion) and Moksha (Salvation).... and about Gita says "Desires are insatiable" and He asks Arjuna to kill this enemy i.e. Desire (Gita 3: 37-43). My question is - Isn't a thought not to have desires or to kill desires it self also a desire? So how do you explain this desire? Please clarify. Thank you. sukanya chhabra FROM THE MODERATOR The following are the guidelines for Gita-Talk discussions. 1. Purpose of the group is to help Sadhaks clarify their doubts related to Gita shlokas. For responses to be posted, they must further clarify the understanding of Gitaji. 2. Wherever possible, please quote Gitaji or other scriptures to substantiate the response 3. Please limit personal feelings, opinions, beliefs etc. 4. Kindly make your responses concise and to the point. (Up to twenty line maximum, if possible). 5. Please limit discussions to subject at hand. 6. Please do not include links to other sites or other organizations 7. Please do not include your personal information such as phone number, address etc. 8. Kindly do not address the response to a particular individual, since the message is going to the entire group. 9. Due to a large readership, not all responses will be posted. 10. Moderator at his discretion, may modify the posting, if content is unclear or not appropriate for distribution to the group. MODERATOR Ram Ram Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 10, 2007 Report Share Posted July 10, 2007 Loving Divine, Pranam. All desires - good or bad, to do or not to do, have to go eventually. The desire is a desire and it is binding, however, one can not attain such state immediately. Just like to remove a thorn one has to use another thorn and when the thorn is removed, we throw away both the thorns. Just like to climb up we use staircases but once we reach top, we forget all about staircases. Just like to cross a river, we use a boat but once reached the other side, we do not carry the boat with us. Similarly, in the beginning stages of spiritual practices, we try to kill our so called bad or harming desires with the favorable desires that help us progress but once we attain the state where it becomes part of our nature we no longer need to make any efforts. To do or not to do type desires drops off, actions are all natural done by our higher self without any expectations. There are no efforts involved from us. Please contemplate on BG 18:66 - sarvadharmaan parityajya... Hope this helps... humble regards, always at Thy Lotus Feet On 6/20/07, sukanya chhabra <sukanya.chhabra wrote: In your recent Sadhak message on DESIRES it was shared that Desires of four types - - Artha (Wealth); Dharma (Righteousness), " Kaama " (Passion) and Moksha (Salvation).... and about Gita says " Desires are insatiable " and He asks Arjuna to kill this enemy i.e. Desire (Gita 3: 37-43). My question is - Isn't a thought not to have desires or to kill desires it self also a desire? So how do you explain this desire? Please clarify. Thank you. sukanya chhabra FROM THE MODERATOR The following are the guidelines for Gita-Talk discussions. 1. Purpose of the group is to help Sadhaks clarify their doubts related to Gita shlokas. For responses to be posted, they must further clarify the understanding of Gitaji. 2. Wherever possible, please quote Gitaji or other scriptures to substantiate the response 3. Please limit personal feelings, opinions, beliefs etc. 4. Kindly make your responses concise and to the point. (Up to twenty line maximum, if possible). 5. Please limit discussions to subject at hand. 6. Please do not include links to other sites or other organizations 7. Please do not include your personal information such as phone number, address etc. 8. Kindly do not address the response to a particular individual, since the message is going to the entire group. 9. Due to a large readership, not all responses will be posted. 10. Moderator at his discretion, may modify the posting, if content is unclear or not appropriate for distribution to the group. MODERATOR Ram Ram Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 11, 2007 Report Share Posted July 11, 2007 Dear Co-devotee, You yourself have provided the answer by saying that desires are of 4 types, the last being for Moksha. So the desire to have no desires or kill all desires will fall under that category and hence should not cause any concern. G.Vaidyanathan ---- Shree Raman Maharshi, has given a solution to this dilema. He has asked us to find the source from where does the thought arise, which in turn leads us to the self - the real I, and in so doing the thought vanishes and its seeds are destroyed, once and for all. Regards from, Hitesh Modi ---- Desires are a need of satisfaction. None other can judge whether is a desire right or wrong. But satisfaction is like a journey in infinite space, when you reach there, you find a next destination. It is therefore necessary to have TatVA Gyan (knowledge of the essense) so that satisfaction is reached without a need of desires. The work or Karma will be then directed towards TatVa Gyana rather than in a direction to gain satisfaction by fulfilling desires. Buddha, Einstein, Kabir, Gandhi, Tulsi Das, Mother Teresa are master pieces of life used in understanding of the TatVa Gyana. Karma or work starts only after this state of mind; and any other work by us for seeking livelihood or security or fame are just called Vyavasaya by Sri Krishna in the Bhagwat Gita. Regards K G ---- From: manjumaaDate: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 09:23:09 -0400Re: Your article on desires Loving Divine, Pranam. All desires - good or bad, to do or not to do, have to go eventually. The desire is a desire and it is binding, however, one can not attain such state immediately. Just like to remove a thorn one has to use another thorn and when the thorn is removed, we throw away both the thorns. Just like to climb up we use staircases but once we reach top, we forget all about staircases. Just like to cross a river, we use a boat but once reached the other side, we do not carry the boat with us. Similarly, in the beginning stages of spiritual practices, we try to kill our so called bad or harming desires with the favorable desires that help us progress but once we attain the state where it becomes part of our nature we no longer need to make any efforts. To do or not to do type desires drops off, actions are all natural done by our higher self without any expectations. There are no efforts involved from us. Please contemplate on BG 18:66 - sarvadharmaan parityajya... Hope this helps... humble regards, always at Thy Lotus Feet On 6/20/07, sukanya chhabra <sukanya.chhabra > wrote: In your recent Sadhak message on DESIRES it was shared that Desires of four types - - Artha (Wealth); Dharma (Righteousness), "Kaama" (Passion) and Moksha (Salvation).... and about Gita says "Desires are insatiable" and He asks Arjuna to kill this enemy i.e. Desire (Gita 3: 37-43). My question is - Isn't a thought not to have desires or to kill desires it self also a desire? So how do you explain this desire? Please clarify. Thank you. sukanya chhabra FROM THE MODERATOR The following are the guidelines for Gita-Talk discussions. 1. Purpose of the group is to help Sadhaks clarify their doubts related to Gita shlokas. For responses to be posted, they must further clarify the understanding of Gitaji. 2. Wherever possible, please quote Gitaji or other scriptures to substantiate the response 3. Please limit personal feelings, opinions, beliefs etc. 4. Kindly make your responses concise and to the point. (Up to twenty line maximum, if possible). 5. Please limit discussions to subject at hand. 6. Please do not include links to other sites or other organizations 7. Please do not include your personal information such as phone number, address etc. 8. Kindly do not address the response to a particular individual, since the message is going to the entire group. 9. Due to a large readership, not all responses will be posted. 10. Moderator at his discretion, may modify the posting, if content is unclear or not appropriate for distribution to the group. MODERATOR Ram Ram Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 12, 2007 Report Share Posted July 12, 2007 Dear Sadhakas, Namste! All answers given on this are very revealing and full of wisdom. We need to contemplate on all such answers until they resonate in us, become us! I would build upon them as follows: As Krishna says, four types of desires are to be pursued, Artha for livelihood to survive in the sansara, by means available within Dharma-righteousness, fulfilling Kama the natural desires again guided by Dharma, and finally all such desires directed to Moksha, liberation. So they are all Impersonal desires for seeking Truth, not personal ego driven desires which originate from our lack or Apurnata, the result of indentification with body, mind, intellect, religion, nationality etc etc. Only the personal desires need to be killed; killed in the sense they have to be understood as coming from Ego, so cannot be in line with Dharma, or Moksha! They get dropped by such deep understanding, not by doing of a doer! Namaskar!........Pratap lovingly ----------- dear all, desire even if fulfilled only fuels more desire.... friendly regards s.seshadri Dear Friends An important message is contained in verse 21 of 16th Chapter as under:- Desires ( lust, passion), anger, and greed are the three main gates to the hell because they destroy the soul and as such should be given up. Desires, anger and greed creates hell in this life and whenever anyone of the above is active in our life we feel suffering of hell. Whenever anyone of the above takes possession of us, we are not in a position to think clearly. Understanding of the presence of kama, krodh and lobh in our life and the supportive structure built for their nourishment will enable us to start process of giving up the same. Desires –basic question to be asked is `what do we want and why do we want'. One has to observe and find out what desires creates hell and what desires create heaven. Regards, A K Jain -- --- " G. Vaidyanathan " <nathangv wrote: > Dear Co-devotee, You yourself have provided the > answer by saying that desires are of 4 types, the > last being for Moksha. So the desire to have no > desires or kill all desires will fall under that > category and hence should not cause any concern. > G.Vaidyanathan > > > : > manjumaa: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 09:23:09 > -0400Re: Your article on > desires > > > > > > Loving Divine, > Pranam. > All desires - good or bad, to do or not to do, have > to go eventually. The desire is a desire and it is > binding, however, one can not attain such state > immediately. Just like to remove a thorn one has to > use another thorn and when the thorn is removed, we > throw away both the thorns. Just like to climb up > we use staircases but once we reach top, we forget > all about staircases. Just like to cross a river, > we use a boat but once reached the other side, we do > not carry the boat with us. Similarly, in the > beginning stages of spiritual practices, we try to > kill our so called bad or harming desires with the > favorable desires that help us progress but once we > attain the state where it becomes part of our nature > we no longer need to make any efforts. To do or not > to do type desires drops off, actions are all > natural done by our higher self without any > expectations. There are no efforts involved from > us. Please contemplate on BG 18:66 - sarvadharmaan > parityajya... > Hope this helps... > humble regards, > always at Thy Lotus Feet > On 6/20/07, sukanya chhabra > <sukanya.chhabra wrote: In your recent Sadhak message on DESIRES it was > shared that Desires of four types - - Artha > (Wealth); Dharma (Righteousness), " Kaama " (Passion) > and Moksha (Salvation).... and about Gita says > " Desires are insatiable " and He asks Arjuna to kill > this enemy i.e. Desire (Gita 3: 37-43). My question > is - Isn't a thought not to have desires or to kill > desires it self also a desire? So how do you explain > this desire? Please clarify. Thank you. sukanya > chhabra > FROM THE MODERATOR > The following are the guidelines for Gita-Talk > discussions. > 1. Purpose of the group is to help Sadhaks clarify > their doubts related to Gita shlokas. For responses > to be posted, they must further clarify the > understanding of Gitaji. > 2. Wherever possible, please quote Gitaji or other > scriptures to substantiate the response > 3. Please limit personal feelings, opinions, beliefs > etc. > 4. Kindly make your responses concise and to the > point. (Up to twenty line maximum, if possible). > 5. Please limit discussions to subject at hand. > 6. Please do not include links to other sites or > other organizations > 7. Please do not include your personal information > such as phone number, address etc. > 8. Kindly do not address the response to a > particular individual, since the message is going to > the entire group. > 9. Due to a large readership, not all responses will > be posted. > 10. Moderator at his discretion, may modify the > posting, if content is unclear or not appropriate > for distribution to the group. > MODERATOR > Ram Ram Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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