Is Moksha the result of Karma - as per Gita ?

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Is Moksha the result of Karma - according to Gita ?

 

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Whether Moksha is the result of Karma ? It is very clearly explained in the ‘karmayoga’ (Gita 3.4) that merely by “karma’ (karmasanyasa), Moksha is not attainable by anybody. God Krishna says that Karmayoga is prescribed for those who want to purify their mind which in turn leads to attain ‘Tathwabodha’. From this it is clearly understood that Karma will help Jiva to purify the mind and not for Moksha. In the ‘Sankhya Darshan’ of Kapila Muni Na Bhootiyoge/pi Krutakrutyatopaasya Sidhivadupaasya sidhivat (4.32) Attainment of a number of ‘aiswaryas’ and ‘sidhis’ by the Jivatma does not make him fully satisfied. This means that Moksha is not the result of Karma. Moksha is the ‘swaroopavastha’ of ‘atma’ In Gita when it says that one should not have a wish for

the result of his Karma. This means one should not wish for even Moksha also as wish to attain Moksha is also expectation of result of one’s karma. This is the reason ‘Sankaracharya says ‘na mokshasya kamksha’, i.e. I do not wish even moksha also. The same thoughts can be seen at a number of places in Hindu texts. The mind does not get fully purified when there is a wish for moksha. Suppose the moksha is not attained, the person becomes dejected and will lead him to sorrows. Thus Moksha is not the result of Karma. With deep love and pranaams to all Hari OM sadhak_insight <sadhak_insight wrote: Dear all family membersIs Moksha the result of Karma - according to Gita ?Please enlighten ...vijiFROM THE MODERATORThe following are the guidelines for Gita-Talk discussions.1. Purpose of the group is to help Sadhaks clarify their doubts related to Gita shlokas. For responses to be posted, they must further clarify the understanding of Gitaji.2. Wherever possible, please quote Gitaji or other scriptures to substantiate the response3. Please limit personal feelings, opinions, beliefs etc.4.

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Loving Divine,

Pranams.

Everything originates from your desire to be liberated/moksha. So your intense desire for moksh leads to certain actions and that actions bear fruits called moksah, in other words your Icchashakti activates your Kriyashakti which then leads to Gyaanshakti. Please refer to: BG chapter 4, BG 5:27-28, BG 11:54, Chapter 12, BG 17:25, and BG 18:66.

 

humble regards,

always at Thy Divine Feet

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Is Moxa a result of Karma?

Answer:

According to the Bhagwat Gita, none can escape 'karma'. Karma is already bound with involuntary actions of life and its properties (guna / swabhav).

 

Everything that we do is not necessarily karma but 'karma bandhana' ( forced or compulsive disorder or vyavsaya or business in vishaya). All of this vyavsaya is not karma but mostly for needs of livelihood and security. As per Him, a karma is an act of improving ones' swabhav or getting transformed himself in step by step or action of non-reaction or nishkam karma. Karma is action of a movement in swabhav.

 

Arjun was a chhatria ( researcher on self or seeker of truth or getting into an understanding of brahm gyana) and by his karma of chhatria, and this way, he got elevated to a new swabhav called 'brahman' in the end. When becoming brahman, his karma was changed to moxa or renunciation.

 

Lessons change when the swabhav changes. Sri Krishna at first, told to Arjun the importance of Dharma because starting point of Arjun was chhatria and by his swabhav, his karma was 'dharma'; but at a later stage, Sri Krishna says to the Arjun that now since he became a brahman his 'karma' is moxa and he must now leave the karma of all dharma.

 

Sri Krishna says very clearly that each one of us have a specified (niyat) karma for his/her life strictly as per swabhav. In normal English, each one should align conduct with his/her character. In absence of this match, person is at mercy of others and cannot live. Niyat or specific karma for mountaineers in journey of self realization differ with current altitude of enlightenment where they have reached.

 

 

Sri Krishna is a Guru of all. He says 'start from where you are, and move on as per your own swabhav'.

References to Bhagwat Gita to above realization is countless.

 

regards and love

 

K G

 

 

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Dear all family membersIs Moksha the result of Karma - according to Gita ?Please enlighten ...vijiFROM THE MODERATORThe following are the guidelines for Gita-Talk discussions. 1. Purpose of the group is to help Sadhaks clarify their doubts related to Gita shlokas. For responses to be posted, they must further clarify the understanding of Gitaji.2. Wherever possible, please quote Gitaji or other scriptures to substantiate the response3. Please limit personal feelings, opinions, beliefs etc.4. Kindly make your responses concise and to the point. (Up to twenty line maximum, if possible).5. Please limit discussions to subject at hand. 6. Please do not include links to other sites or other organizations7. Please do not include your personal information such as phone number, address etc.8. Kindly do not address the response to a particular individual, since the message is going to the entire group.9. Due to a large readership, not all responses will be posted.10. Moderator at his discretion, may modify the posting, if content is unclear or not appropriate for distribution to the group. MODERATORRam Ram

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May I first seek blessings from all those, who have been participating in this discussion.

 

I have been observing that almost all the participants have been giving answers which are indeed scholarly. At the time of answering one's doubt, we must attempt to come down to a level of new sadhak and frame our answer suitably. If we give a complicated answer, in all probability, we will only confuse him more.

 

E.g. When the seeker first goes to his Guru and asks him for the path to salvation (Moksha), Guru explains him "Pragyanam Brahma" and advises the sadhak to meditate upon this. When the sadhak has devoted enough time to understand "Pragyanam Brahma" and goes back to his Guru, only then the Guru gives him the next step by telling him "Ayam Atma Brahma" and asks him to go back and meditate on this. Again, when the sadhak has devoted considerable time in understanding "Ayam Atma Brahma" and seeks further blessings from his Guru, then Guru bestows upon him the next step "Tat Twam Asi" and advises him to go back to his meditation. Only after the sadhak has mastered the concept of "Tat Twam Asi", he goes back to his Guru's lotus feet and informs him "Aham Brahmosmi". What I am trying to derive at is that the Guru knows "Aham Brahmosmi" but does not tell that to the sadhak in the beginning, as his state of Adhyatmic Development will not receive it in the proper perspective.

 

Similarly, if we tell the new sadhak that even the desire of Moksha is to be relinquished, he will get more confused. It can not be denied that the first step to God Realisation is the DESIRE to attain God. At this stage, we can't tell him that he must not have this desire. Infact, we need to encourage him to increase the intensity of this desire.

 

Now coming to the question of "Whether Moksha is a result of Karma", may I give my views after once again seeking blessings from my scholar friends.

 

Lord has given us options of three paths to achieve Him. The first path indeed is "Karma Yog", second path is "Gyan Yog" and the third path is "Bhakti Yog". Anyone of these could be followed, depending upon the state of mind of the individual. All the paths lead to the same goal. But they are all to create a suiitable situation to achieve God. God is not obliged by anything and at the end, it is His mercy and mercy alone which can open the door to Maksha. All the three paths can and will lead us to the door of God, but to open or not to open the door would depend on His mercy. That is why, in the end in Gitaji, Lord has advised "Shranagati". I would also like to draw attention to the fact that there is only one verse which has been repeated in Gitaji and that is "Manmana Bhav...." (Verse 34 Chapter 9 and Verse 65 Chapter 18). This alone shows how important is SHARANAGATI.

 

I would like to caution the sadhaks, who may choose to take the path of "Karma Yog" to clearly understand what it means. Please read Chapter 4 Verses 16 onwards to understand this. Swamiji Maharaj has taken a lot of pain to explain this aspect in "Sadhak Sanjivani". Please read it carefully, with a continuous request to Maharaj ji to help you understand what he has tried to explain. With his mercy, it will not be difficult to clarify your thoughts in this matter. Infact, in Verse 16 Chapter 4, Lord has said I will tell you what is Karma and.... so that you can attain Moksha.

 

A.H.Dalmia

 

 

Moksha is not the result of karma but the release from karma through karmayoga. saroja ramanujam

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Thursday, June 28, 2007 10:18 AM

Re: Is Moksha the result of Karma - as per Gita ?

 

 

 

Whether Moksha is the result of Karma ?

 

 

It is very clearly explained in the ‘karmayoga’ (Gita 3.4) that merely by “karma’ (karmasanyasa), Moksha is not attainable by anybody. God Krishna says that Karmayoga is prescribed for those who want to purify their mind which in turn leads to attain ‘Tathwabodha’. From this it is clearly understood that Karma will help Jiva to purify the mind and not for Moksha. In the ‘Sankhya Darshan’ of Kapila Muni

 

Na Bhootiyoge/pi Krutakrutyatopaasya Sidhivadupaasya sidhivat (4.32)

 

Attainment of a number of ‘aiswaryas’ and ‘sidhis’ by the Jivatma does not make him fully satisfied.

 

This means that Moksha is not the result of Karma. Moksha is the ‘swaroopavastha’ of ‘atma’

 

In Gita when it says that one should not have a wish for the result of his Karma. This means one should not wish for even Moksha also as wish to attain Moksha is also expectation of result of one’s karma. This is the reason ‘Sankaracharya says ‘na mokshasya kamksha’, i.e. I do not wish even moksha also. The same thoughts can be seen at a number of places in Hindu texts.

 

The mind does not get fully purified when there is a wish for moksha. Suppose the moksha is not attained, the person becomes dejected and will lead him to sorrows. Thus Moksha is not the result of Karma.

 

With deep love and pranaams to all

Hari OM

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Moksha means release.Mukthi also means the same Release from what? From the bondage of karma.The cycle of birth and death is due to karma and by following the path of spirituality outlined in the Gita namely, karamyoga, jnanayoga and bhakthiyoga, no matter which path you follow, they all lead to the same goal. All the paths converge in one place and there need be no debate as to which one to follow.Realisation of one's true nature removes the egocentric impulses which are the cause of desire motivated action resulting in bondage and rebirth.This is what Krishna advises Arjuna in the second chapter by the description of sthithaprajna, the man of wisdom.Knowledge or jnana may precede karmayoga which is strengthened by bhakthi. When one attains moksha there is no more rebirth. But what will be the experience then? Though different schools of philosophy define

moksha differently, the point on which they all agree is that there is unconditioned bliss in the state of release. When you feel happy about some pleasant event like birth of a child it is because that particular desire is fulfilled and you stay happy until the next desire arises. So the real happiness is the state of mind between one desire and other when there is no desire. So if you can elongate that state your happiness is lengthened.This proves that it is desirelessness and not fulfilment of desire that produces happiness.The desires spring from ego which differentiates the individual self from the real self, which is of the nature of pure unalloyed

bliss.This is moksha. Whether the individual self merges with Brahman, as advaita claims or it retains its identity not as such but as the part of the infinite as made out in Visishtadvaita or the individual soul remains different but as the servant of God as in Dvaita, the bliissexperienced is infinite and everlasting due to the absence of ego. saroja Ramanujam

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Shree Hari Ram Ram According to Gitaji, Moksha is not possible by Karma alone (By karma here means action (kriya) along with the sense of doer-ship and with the expectation of a fruit for this action). But when this Karma is done with an unselfish attitude, without attachment, without any expectation of a fruit and is done as a dedication to God, it becomes Karma Yoga. Swamiji Maharajji has explained the discipline of Karma Yoga (Karma + Yoga) - Karma (kriya) is for the world and Yoga is uniting with the Supreme. By doing Karma in this manner, the sadhka is not subjected to birth and death cycle anymore, he attains the Moksha. There are many verses in Gitaji which illustrate this point, few are mentioned here: Gita (2-49): durena hy avaram karma budhiyogad dhanamjaya budhau saranam anivichha krpanah phalahetvah Meaning: Motivated actions (having desire for the expectation of fruit), O Dhananjaya, far inferior to those performed with the equanimity of mind; take refuge in the evenness of mind (Samta or Karma Yoga); wretched are the result seekers. Gita (2-51): karmajam budhiyukta hi, phalam tyaktva

manisinah janmabandhavinirmuktah, padam gacchanty anamyam Meaning: For wise men endowed with equaimity, renouncing the fruit of actions and freed from the shackles of birth, attain the blissful Supreme state. Gita (3-19): tasmad asaktah satatam karyam karma samacara asaakto hy acharan karma param aponoti purushah Meaning: Therefore, constantly perform your obligatory duty without attachment; for by doing duty without attachment man verily attains the Supreme. Gita (4-24): braha 'rpanam brahm havir, brhmagnau brahamana hutam brhmai 'va tena gantavyam, brhmkarmasamadhina Meaning: The act of offering in sacrifice is Brhm, the oblation is Brahm, the sacrificer himself is Brahm, the sarificeial fire as well as is Brahm; Brahm verily he attains who realizes the presence of Brahm in action. Gita (5-12): yuktah karmaphalam tyaktva, satim apnoti naisthkim ayutah kamakarena, phale sakto

nibadhyate Meaning: Offering the fruit of actions to God,the Karmayogi attains the peace in the shape of God-realization;whereas he (non-yogi) who works with a selfish motive, being attached to the fruit of actions through desire, gets bound to life and death cycle. Gita (18-46): Yatah pravttir bhutanam, yena sarvam idam tatam svakarmana tam abhyarchya, siddham vindati manavah Meaning: He from whom all beings emanate and by Whom all this is pervaded, by worshipping Him through performance of his duty, man attains perfection. Ram Ram Loving pranam A sadhka sadhak_insight <sadhak_insight wrote: Dear all family membersIs Moksha the result of Karma - according to Gita ?Please enlighten ...vijiFROM THE MODERATORThe following are the guidelines for Gita-Talk discussions.1. Purpose of the group is to help Sadhaks clarify their doubts related to Gita shlokas. For responses to be posted, they must further clarify the understanding of Gitaji.2. Wherever possible, please quote Gitaji or other scriptures to substantiate the response3. Please limit personal feelings, opinions, beliefs etc.4. Kindly make your responses concise and to the point. (Up to twenty line

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Dear Sadhakas, Namaste!

In all humility, Moksha cannot be the result of anything we do, it is

who we areally ARE, total unconditional FREEDOM! We experience it as

absolute Existence, and Knowingness(Consciousness) by which we know

everything else! We just need to see closely with open mind at this

experience which never leaves us during waking, dreaming or sleeping.

It is a grace of Atman!

It is like a light which shines all objects in a room, but we see

only objects that are lighted and get attched to them, and totally

miss to see the Light itself without which nothing can be seen! This

light is pure Existence, total Freedom, right now. When we turn our

attention to this Light, Our " I " resolves into moksha, bliss! " I "

stands for Moksha-Consciousness and not for body-mind individual who

is himself/herself another object seen in this Light! We mistake this

object as subject " I " , Ego and lose our moksha!

AND......

It is not intellectual gymnastic, not difficult to see!

 

Namaskar.........Pratap

 

 

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> Is Moksha the result of Karma - according to Gita ?

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> Please enlighten ...

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