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Dear Gori,

 

Prayers are meant to cleanse oneself and not to seek anything from god. The truth is that we can not get anything more than what we are to get by destiny. The only thing that we can seek from god by prayers is his mercy.

 

A.H.Dalmia

 

 

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Thursday, August 09, 2007 1:43 PM

Question: Should we pray to God for everything we want in life?

 

 

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Yes! we must pray to God not for every wish of ours but for all HIS BLESSING Sfor goodness / positive results through HIS grace, otherwise one may not remember God and under one's own will / doings everyone have the chance of more failures than success.

 

 

From: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 08:13:51 +0000 Question: Should we pray to God for everything we want in life?

 

 

 

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I would say sure we can ask for anything from God. Lets take a simple example. As babies, mom's feed us. Mom knows about our hunger. But mom has tons of other jobs as well to take care of. So, she would take her own turn to give us food. But if we are really starving, we would give an outcry , to make sure, we are served first. Once our hunger is quenched, mom can take care of other routines.

 

Same with God. At times, God might be a little late to serve us when he has other jobs to accomplish. When we pray, just put forth our needs/wants as a reminder. Nothing wrong in doing so.

 

-Neha

 

 

From: ahdalmiaDate: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 10:37:14 +0530Re: Question: Should we pray to God for everything we want in life?

 

 

 

Dear Gori,

 

Prayers are meant to cleanse oneself and not to seek anything from god. The truth is that we can not get anything more than what we are to get by destiny. The only thing that we can seek from god by prayers is his mercy.

 

A.H.Dalmia

 

 

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Thursday, August 09, 2007 1:43 PM

Question: Should we pray to God for everything we want in life?

 

 

Question: Should we pray to God for everything we want in life?Gita Talk GuidelinesFROM THE MODERATORThe following are the guidelines for Gita-Talk discussions.1. Purpose of the group is to help Sadhaks clarify their doubts related to Gita shlokas. For responses to be posted, they must further clarify the understanding of Gitaji.2. Wherever possible, please quote Gitaji or other scriptures to substantiate the response3. Please limit personal feelings, opinions, beliefs etc.4. Kindly make your responses concise and to the point. (Up to twenty line maximum, if possible).5. Please limit discussions to subject at hand.6. Please do not include links to other sites or other organizations7. Please do not include your personal information such as phone number, address etc.8. Kindly do not address the response to a particular individual, since the message is going to the entire group.9. Due to a large readership, not all responses will be posted.10. Moderator at his discretion, may modify the posting, if content is unclear or not appropriate for distribution to the group.11. Please respond taking into consideration novices, youth, westerners, non-secterian audience. Please limit the use on only sanskrit words, and provide the english word with sanskrit bracketed wherever possible. MODERATORRam Ram

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Prayers are meant to cleans our souls and it also helps us when we

need to think clearly. With prayers our thinking become clear. When

our minds is focused on the almighty we can forget this world of

(maya) material wealth for selfish reasons. If we can not ask God to

give us strenth, wisdom, to live in this world than who do we ask?

God blesses, through the grace of God the almighty we gain all

Prayer is only a tool to gain the end results.

 

, " A H Dalmia " <ahdalmia wrote:

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> Prayers are meant to cleanse oneself and not to seek anything from

god. The truth is that we can not get anything more than what we are

to get by destiny. The only thing that we can seek from god by

prayers is his mercy.

>

> A.H.Dalmia

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> gori_46

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> Thursday, August 09, 2007 1:43 PM

> Question: Should we pray to God for

everything we want in life?

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> Question: Should we pray to God for everything we want in life?

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> Gita Talk Guidelines

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This is my humble opinion for your question "Should we pray to God for everything we want in life?". Your complete question gives rise to another question as to what exactly your prayer is about. There are four ways for which the people pray to God. 1) if you are very much helpless about something. - (it can be at physical level - regarding any sever health condition ..etc etc, mental level - feeling of emotions regarding any thing for that matter or intellectual level issues- like honor and dishonour etc etc). 2)if you want more of materialist things ..such as wanting more money, a better job, better things in life etc etc and ready to work hard to get also..but need soeme kind of support from God/Supreme etc etc 3) You just pray and feel like you are just the instrument of God and surrender everything onto Him and let yourself be God's and just let everything go and pray to God.

(Here, 'pray' means just love for God and nothing else..as you have the feeling of Everything is GOD and thene..there is nothing else at all. Here it does not mean you do not do anything and let everything go..but just do whatever you think ur duty is and leave all the fruits of ur actions whether pleasant or unpleasant onto that Supreme). From the absolute perspective..there is no pleasant or unpleasnat..but we feel its pleasant if the things do not turn out the way we expect). Based on the above steps, Yes, whatever you ask for or pray for , God will definitely give you..so u can just completely have full faith and whatever u feel, u can ask for His Help. He is like a father/mother/brother/sis/friend anything and everything you assume to be and He is there for you. But in life..usually we all in the beginning,we want certain things in Life and we ask God for that with complete surrender and He gives everything we asked for. But ususally,

the human mind's desire will not end by getting our desired fulfilled..but eventually leads to another desire and once that is fulfilled, this leads to another desire wanting to be fulfilled. If we analyse our own life i n detail, we will come to know that. Hence, once we understand this, then we will feel, what is it that we want ? Eventually, we want all the desires to be fulfilled because we think by getting our desires fulfilled, we will be happy.But its only temporaray happiness we will have until our mind wants another desire to be fulfilled. So, by looking at this, once we realize that happiness is not outside but comes from within, then u will not ask God for anything since u already are happy..u ask or pray to God already being happy and u will not expect anything form God also. Then our prayer just becomes longing for the lord and not for anything at all.Have a nice evening. Regards.gori_46 wrote: Question: Should we pray to God for everything we want in life?Gita Talk GuidelinesFROM THE MODERATORThe following are the guidelines for Gita-Talk discussions.1. Purpose of the group is to help Sadhaks clarify their doubts related to Gita shlokas. For responses to be posted, they must further clarify the understanding of Gitaji.2. Wherever possible, please quote Gitaji or other scriptures to substantiate the response3. Please limit personal feelings, opinions, beliefs etc.4. Kindly make your responses concise

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GORI asked a simple question:'Should we pray to God for everything

we want in life?'

Answer is simpler than the question. Do you think God to be less

wise than yourself that He is to be intimated with your needs? He

already knows it better than you and has provided everything good

for you. So no prayers for anything whatsoever except God Himself.

Sarvottam.

, neha joshi <nrj_112 wrote:

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>

> I would say sure we can ask for anything from God. Lets take a

simple example. As babies, mom's feed us. Mom knows about our

hunger. But mom has tons of other jobs as well to take care of. So,

she would take her own turn to give us food. But if we are really

starving, we would give an outcry , to make sure, we are served

first. Once our hunger is quenched, mom can take care of other

routines.

>

> Same with God. At times, God might be a little late to serve us

when he has other jobs to accomplish. When we pray, just put forth

our needs/wants as a reminder. Nothing wrong in doing so.

>

> -Neha

>

>

> : ahdalmia: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 10:37:14

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everything we want in life?

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> Dear Gori,

>

> Prayers are meant to cleanse oneself and not to seek anything from

god. The truth is that we can not get anything more than what we are

to get by destiny. The only thing that we can seek from god by

prayers is his mercy.

>

> A.H.Dalmia

>

>

> -

>

> gori_46

>

> Thursday, August 09, 2007 1:43 PM

> Question: Should we pray to God for

everything we want in life?

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> Question: Should we pray to God for everything we want in life?

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Shree Hari Ram Ram Priya sadhak, prasana ke liye dhanyavad, lot of good responses have already been posted. Humbly, submit few more comments: According to Swamiji Maharaj's interpretation of Gitaji's verse (7-16) in Sadhaka Sajeevani, among the 4-types of devotees of God one of them is “Artharthi”. who prays to God for

worldly things. God is pleased, thinking, My dear devotee is praying to Me for his needs, at least he is solely depending on Me only and not on someone else”. How generous of God to think in this manner. Solely depending on God for our needs, believe is the only the first stage of devotion for the sadhaka, subsequent to that the relationship with God should develop into Love for God and then the desire for the things falls off on its own. The important point is that – what is our motivation, is our intent to get the things only and it does not matter who gives the things to us, this way, the importance is on

getting the things and not dependence on God. If that is the case, then there is a serious issue. This way we will miss the golden opportunity to realize the only important goal of life to unite with God since our attention is on desire for things which satisfy us for the time being only. Are we thinking that God is less intelligent than us, we think that we know our needs better than what He knows. If truly we see God as our Father & Mother, do we need to pray to Him for our list of things, does He not know what our needs are? Even the worldly

mother always knows what her child needs, when and how much? Therefore, for an aspirant with complete faith in God, there is no need to ask (Refer to Gitaji 9-22). To this effect Goswami Tulsidasji says in Ramacharitmanas – a). Ahi tan kar phala bishya na bhai, Swargu svalpa anta dukhda, nara tana pai bishya man dehi, palate sudha te sath bish lehi(Uttar 43-1) b). binu santosha na kama nasahi, Kaam achhat sukh sapnehun nahin Rama bhajan binu mitahi na kama (uttar 89-1) Meaning – a). Sensuous enjoyment, brothern, is not the be-all and end-all of human existence; and even the heavenly enjoyments is short lived and ends in sorrow. The fools who devote their mind to the pleasures of senses even after attaining rare human birth taking poison in exchange of nectar. b). Without contentment desire cannot cease; and as long as desire continues you can never even dream of happiness. Desire cannot be rid of without adoring Sri Rama. As Swamiji Maharaj would say, if we have decided to ask God for something, why to ask for the material things? Why to settle for glass beads when we can have Paras Mani? Once we have deep faith in God, then we resort to - "Jahi vidhi rakhe Ram tehi vidhi rahie". Swamiji Maharaj says ask for His LOVE only or ask Him to help us in getting rid

of Kaama, Krodha and Lobha etc. Wirth loving Pranams A sadhaka gori_46 wrote: Question:

Should we pray to God for everything we want in life?Gita Talk GuidelinesFROM THE MODERATORThe following are the guidelines for Gita-Talk discussions.1. Purpose of the group is to help Sadhaks clarify their doubts related to Gita shlokas. For responses to be posted, they must further clarify the understanding of Gitaji.2. Wherever possible, please quote Gitaji or other scriptures to substantiate the response3. Please limit personal feelings, opinions, beliefs etc.4. Kindly make your responses concise and to the point. (Up to twenty line maximum, if possible).5. Please limit discussions to subject at hand.6. Please do not include links to other sites or other organizations7. Please do not include your personal information such as phone number, address etc.8. Kindly do not address the response to a particular individual, since the message is going to the entire group.9. Due to a large readership, not all

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Dear madan kaurathank you for an enlightening posting. I rquest you to kindly consider the following and clarify if possible

1. Between spiritual aspiration of realising God and desire for material benefits there are certain things like karmic effects- like physical and mental sufferrings/deseases of one self and close relatives which hinder spiritual sadhana. I heard of mantra sadhana ( dasa mahavidyas) which when done systematically would help one to come out of certain problems. Of course these may come under prayers. Do such practices stand in the way of spiritual progress?

poduryOn 8/28/07, Madan kaura <madan_kaura

> wrote:

 

 

 

 

Shree Hari

Ram Ram

Priya sadhak, prasana ke liye dhanyavad, lot of good responses have already been posted. Humbly, submit few more comments:

According to Swamiji Maharaj's interpretation of Gitaji's verse (7-16) in Sadhaka Sajeevani, among the 4-types of devotees of God one of them is "

Artharthi". who prays to God for

worldly things. God is pleased, thinking, My dear devotee is praying to Me for his needs, at least he is solely depending on Me only and not on someone else". How generous of God to think in this manner. Solely depending on God for our needs, believe is the only the first stage of devotion for the sadhaka, subsequent to that the relationship with God should develop into Love for God and then the desire for the things falls off on its own. The important point is that – what is our motivation, is our intent to get the things only and it does not matter who gives the things to us, this way, the importance is on

getting the things and not dependence on God. If that is the case, then there is a serious issue. This way we will miss the golden opportunity to realize the only important goal of life to unite with God since our attention is on desire for things which satisfy us for the time being only.

Are we thinking that God is less intelligent than us, we think that we know our needs better than what He knows. If truly we see God as our Father & Mother, do we need to pray to Him for our list of things, does He not know what our needs are? Even the worldly

mother always knows what her child needs, when and how much? Therefore, for an aspirant with complete faith in God, there is no need to ask (Refer to Gitaji 9-22).

To this effect Goswami Tulsidasji says in Ramacharitmanas –

a). Ahi tan kar phala bishya na bhai,

Swargu svalpa anta dukhda, nara tana pai bishya man dehi,

palate sudha te sath bish lehi(Uttar 43-1)

b). binu santosha na kama nasahi,

Kaam achhat sukh sapnehun nahin Rama bhajan binu mitahi na kama (uttar 89-1)

Meaning –

a). Sensuous enjoyment, brothern, is not the be-all and end-all of human existence; and even the heavenly enjoyments is short lived and ends in sorrow. The fools who devote their mind to the pleasures of senses even after attaining rare human birth taking poison in exchange of nectar.

b). Without contentment desire cannot cease; and as long as desire continues you can never even dream of happiness. Desire cannot be rid of without adoring Sri Rama.

As Swamiji Maharaj would say, if we have decided to ask God for something, why to ask for the material things? Why to settle for glass beads when we can have P

aras Mani? Once we have deep faith in God, then we resort to - " Jahi vidhi rakhe Ram tehi vidhi rahie " . Swamiji Maharaj says ask for His LOVE only or ask Him to help us in getting rid

of Kaama, Krodha and Lobha etc. Wirth loving Pranams

A sadhaka

gori_46 wrote: Question:

Should we pray to God for everything we want in life?Gita Talk GuidelinesFROM THE MODERATORThe following are the guidelines for Gita-Talk discussions.1. Purpose of the group is to help Sadhaks clarify their doubts related to Gita shlokas. For responses to be posted, they must further clarify the understanding of Gitaji.

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5. Please limit discussions to subject at hand.6. Please do not include links to other sites or other organizations7. Please do not include your personal information such as phone number, address etc.8. Kindly do not address the response to a particular individual, since the message is going to the entire group.

9. Due to a large readership, not all

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Shree Hari Ram Ram Priya sadahka, prasna ke liye dhanyavad. Swamiji Maharaj says in the introduction of Sadhaka Sanjeeni (in Hindi) that there is no situation or a circumstance in the life of a person where he/she cannot benefit spiritually. The reason being that God is present equally in all circumstances and situations. It means - when bad or a painful situation comes, one has to let go of the desire for sukha (pleasure) or the desire or expectation to get out of the pain. Similarly, when pleasant situation comes, one should have no desire or

expectation that the situation should continue as is but instead use this situation in the service of others with all of our resources, with the things, body, senses and the mind. The service is more of a bhava (feeling) than the kriya (action) itself. By serving others we are serving God since He resides in all places, all times in everyone. As is said "Manav seva is Madhav puja". By adopting this attitude one can rise above the unpleasant and pleasant situations. One may think that how is it possible to take the

situation positively when clearly it is a bad situation. Gitaji points to the answer: (7-5): "jivabhutam mahabaho yayedam dharyate jagat" the human being assumes the world according to his own mind set. The embodied soul because of attachment & aversion (raaga & dvesha) sustains and assumes the world in his mind.

The same is pointed out again in the Gitaji: (15-7): " manah sasthanindryani prakrtisthani karsati". By cognising the existence and importance of the world, one is attracted to the world, then attachment and aversion arise giving rise to the waves of desire, when continued in this mode, it eventually does not let the individual get out of the birth and death cycle. With my humble understanding, believe, using a mantra for praying on

another's behalf should be of no hindrance to one's spiritual progress, the only condition is that the prayer should be sincere and must be done without any selfish motive or any type of gain for oneself. Loving pranam A sadhaka vrsarma podury <rpodury wrote: Dear madan kaura thank you for an enlightening posting. I rquest you to kindly consider the following and clarify if possible 1. Between spiritual aspiration of realising God and desire for material benefits there are certain things like karmic effects- like physical and mental sufferrings/deseases of one self and close relatives which hinder spiritual sadhana. I heard of mantra sadhana ( dasa mahavidyas) which when done systematically would help one to come out of certain problems. Of course these may come under prayers. Do

such practices stand in the way of spiritual progress? podury On 8/28/07, Madan kaura <madan_kaura > wrote: Shree Hari Ram Ram Priya sadhak, prasana ke liye dhanyavad, lot of good responses have already been posted. Humbly, submit few more comments: According to Swamiji Maharaj's interpretation of Gitaji's verse (7-16) in Sadhaka Sajeevani, among the 4-types of devotees of God one of them is " Artharthi". who prays to God for worldly things. God is pleased, thinking, My dear devotee is praying to Me for his needs, at least he is solely depending on Me only and not on someone else". How generous of God to think in this manner. Solely depending on God for our needs, believe is the only the first stage of devotion for the sadhaka, subsequent to that the relationship with God should develop into Love for God and then the

desire for the things falls off on its own. The important point is that – what is our motivation, is our intent to get the things only and it does not matter who gives the things to us, this way, the importance is on getting the things and not dependence on God. If that is the case, then there is a serious issue. This way we will miss the golden opportunity to realize the only important goal of life to unite with God since our attention is on desire for things which satisfy us for the time being only. Are we thinking that God is less intelligent than us, we think that we know our needs

better than what He knows. If truly we see God as our Father & Mother, do we need to pray to Him for our list of things, does He not know what our needs are? Even the worldly mother always knows what her child needs, when and how much? Therefore, for an aspirant with complete faith in God, there is no need to ask (Refer to Gitaji 9-22). To this effect Goswami Tulsidasji says in Ramacharitmanas – a). Ahi tan kar phala bishya na bhai, Swargu svalpa anta

dukhda, nara tana pai bishya man dehi, palate sudha te sath bish lehi(Uttar 43-1) b). binu santosha na kama nasahi, Kaam achhat sukh sapnehun nahin Rama bhajan binu mitahi na kama (uttar 89-1) Meaning – a). Sensuous enjoyment, brothern, is not the be-all and end-all of human existence; and even the heavenly enjoyments is short lived and ends in sorrow. The fools who devote their mind to the pleasures of senses even after attaining rare human birth taking poison in exchange of nectar. b). Without contentment desire cannot cease; and as long as desire continues you can never even dream of happiness. Desire cannot be rid of without adoring Sri Rama. As Swamiji Maharaj would say, if we have decided to ask God for something, why to ask for the material things? Why to settle for glass beads when we can have P aras Mani? Once we have deep faith in God, then we resort to - "Jahi vidhi rakhe Ram tehi vidhi rahie". Swamiji Maharaj says ask for His LOVE only or ask Him to help us in getting rid of Kaama, Krodha and Lobha etc. Wirth loving Pranams A sadhaka gori_46 wrote: Question: Should we pray to God for everything we want in life?Gita Talk GuidelinesFROM THE MODERATORThe following are the guidelines for Gita-Talk discussions.1. Purpose of the group is to help Sadhaks clarify their doubts related to Gita shlokas. For responses to be posted, they must further clarify the understanding of Gitaji. 2. Wherever possible, please quote Gitaji or other scriptures to substantiate the response3. Please limit personal feelings, opinions, beliefs etc.4. Kindly make your responses concise and to the point. (Up to twenty line maximum, if possible). 5. Please limit discussions to subject at hand.6. Please do not include links to other sites or other

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When reciting a Mantra for purpose of relieving yourself from problems or suffering, such Mantras are known as Karmic Bakthi. The same mantra wehn recited for the benifit of the entire universe, is pure bakthi. When you do pure devotion (bhakti), you too being a part of the world are benifitted along with the rest of the universe.

B.Sathyanarayan vrsarma podury <rpodury wrote: Dear madan kaura thank you for an enlightening posting. I rquest you to kindly consider the following and clarify if possible 1. Between spiritual aspiration of realising God and desire for material benefits there are certain things like karmic effects- like physical and mental sufferrings/deseases of one self and close relatives which hinder spiritual sadhana. I heard of mantra sadhana ( dasa mahavidyas) which when done systematically would help one to come out of certain problems. Of course these may come under prayers. Do such practices stand in the way of spiritual progress? podury On 8/28/07, Madan kaura <madan_kaura > wrote: Shree Hari Ram Ram Priya sadhak, prasana ke liye dhanyavad, lot of good responses have already been posted. Humbly, submit few more comments: According to Swamiji Maharaj's interpretation of Gitaji's verse (7-16) in Sadhaka Sajeevani, among the 4-types of devotees of God one

of them is " Artharthi". who prays to God for worldly things. God is pleased, thinking, My dear devotee is praying to Me for his needs, at least he is solely depending on Me only and not on someone else". How generous of God to think in this manner. Solely depending on God for our needs, believe is the only the first stage of devotion for the sadhaka, subsequent to that the relationship with God should develop into Love for God and then the desire for the things falls off on its own. The important point is that – what is our motivation, is our intent to get the things only and it does not matter who gives the things to us, this way, the importance is on getting the things and not dependence on God. If that is the case, then there is a serious issue. This way

we will miss the golden opportunity to realize the only important goal of life to unite with God since our attention is on desire for things which satisfy us for the time being only. Are we thinking that God is less intelligent than us, we think that we know our needs better than what He knows. If truly we see God as our Father & Mother, do we need to pray to Him for our list of things, does He not know what our needs are? Even the worldly mother always knows what her child needs, when and how much? Therefore, for an aspirant with complete faith in God, there is no need to ask (Refer to Gitaji 9-22). To this effect Goswami Tulsidasji says in Ramacharitmanas – a). Ahi tan kar phala bishya na bhai, Swargu svalpa anta dukhda, nara tana pai bishya man dehi, palate sudha te sath bish lehi(Uttar 43-1) b). binu santosha na

kama nasahi, Kaam achhat sukh sapnehun nahin Rama bhajan binu mitahi na kama (uttar 89-1) Meaning –

a). Sensuous enjoyment, brothern, is not the be-all and end-all of human existence; and even the heavenly enjoyments is short lived and ends in sorrow. The fools who devote their mind to the pleasures of senses even after attaining rare human birth taking poison in exchange of nectar. b). Without contentment desire cannot cease; and as long as desire continues you can never even dream of happiness. Desire cannot be rid of without adoring Sri Rama. As Swamiji Maharaj would say, if we have decided to ask God for something, why to ask for the material things? Why to settle for glass beads when we can have P aras Mani?

Once we have deep faith in God, then we resort to - "Jahi vidhi rakhe Ram tehi vidhi rahie". Swamiji Maharaj says ask for His LOVE only or ask Him to help us in getting rid of Kaama, Krodha and Lobha etc. Wirth loving Pranams A sadhaka gori_46 wrote: Question: Should we pray to God for everything we want in life?Gita Talk GuidelinesFROM THE MODERATORThe following are the guidelines for Gita-Talk discussions.1. Purpose of the group is to help Sadhaks clarify their doubts related to Gita shlokas. For responses to

be posted, they must further clarify the understanding of Gitaji. 2. Wherever possible, please quote Gitaji or other scriptures to substantiate the response3. Please limit personal feelings, opinions, beliefs etc.4. Kindly make your responses concise and to the point. (Up to twenty line maximum, if possible). 5. Please limit discussions to subject at hand.6. Please do not include links to other sites or other organizations7. Please do not include your personal information such as phone number, address etc.8. Kindly do not address the response to a particular individual, since the message is going to the entire group. 9. Due to a large readership, not all responses will be posted.10. Moderator at his discretion, may modify the posting, if content is unclear or not appropriate for distribution to the group.11. Please respond taking into consideration novices, youth, westerners, non-secterian audience. Please limit the use on only

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On 9/5/07, baiya sathyanarayan <baiya07_sathya wrote:

 

 

 

 

When reciting a Mantra for purpose of relieving yourself from problems or suffering, such Mantras are known as Karmic Bakthi. The same mantra wehn recited for the benifit of the entire universe, is pure bakthi. When you do pure devotion (bhakti), you too being a part of the world are benifitted along with the rest of the universe.

B.Sathyanarayan vrsarma podury <rpodury wrote:

Dear madan kaura thank you for an enlightening posting. I rquest you to kindly consider the following and clarify if possible

1. Between spiritual aspiration of realising God and desire for material benefits there are certain things like karmic effects- like physical and mental sufferrings/deseases of one self and close relatives which hinder spiritual sadhana. I heard of mantra sadhana ( dasa mahavidyas) which when done systematically would help one to come out of certain problems. Of course these may come under prayers. Do such practices stand in the way of spiritual progress? podury On 8/28/07, Madan kaura <

madan_kaura > wrote:

Shree Hari

Ram Ram Priya

sadhak, prasana ke liye dhanyavad, lot of good responses have already been posted. Humbly, submit few more comments:

According to Swamiji Maharaj's interpretation of Gitaji's verse (7-16) in Sadhaka Sajeevani, among the 4-types of devotees of God one

of them is " Artharthi " . who prays to God for worldly things. God is pleased, thinking, My dear devotee is praying to Me for his needs, at least he is solely depending on Me only and not on someone else " . How generous of God to think in this manner. Solely depending on God for our needs, believe is the only the first stage of devotion for the sadhaka, subsequent to that the relationship with God should develop into Love for God and then the desire for the things falls off on its own. The important point is that – what is our motivation, is our intent to get the things only and it does not matter who gives the things to us, this way, the importance is on getting the things and not dependence on God. If that is the case, then there is a serious issue. This way

we will miss the golden opportunity to realize the only important goal of life to unite with God since our attention is on desire for things which satisfy us for the time being only.

Are we thinking that God is less intelligent than us, we think that we know our needs better than what He knows. If truly we see God as our Father & Mother, do we need to pray to Him for our list of things, does He not know what our needs are? Even the worldly mother always knows what her child needs, when and how much? Therefore, for an aspirant with complete faith in God, there is no need to ask (Refer to Gitaji 9-22). To this effect Goswami Tulsidasji says in Ramacharitmanas

– a). Ahi tan kar phala bishya na bhai,

Swargu svalpa anta dukhda,

nara tana pai bishya man dehi, palate sudha te sath bish lehi(Uttar 43-1)

b). binu santosha na

kama nasahi,

Kaam achhat sukh sapnehun nahin Rama bhajan binu mitahi na kama (uttar 89-1)

Meaning –

a). Sensuous enjoyment, brothern, is not the be-all and end-all of human existence; and even the heavenly enjoyments is short lived and ends in sorrow. The fools who devote their mind to the pleasures of senses even after attaining rare human birth taking poison in exchange of nectar. b). Without contentment desire cannot cease; and as long as desire continues you can never even dream of happiness. Desire cannot be rid of without adoring Sri Rama. As Swamiji Maharaj would say, if we have decided to ask God for something, why to ask for the material things? Why to settle for glass beads when we can have P aras Mani?

Once we have deep faith in God, then we resort to - " Jahi vidhi rakhe Ram tehi vidhi rahie " . Swamiji Maharaj says ask for His LOVE only or ask Him to help us in getting rid of Kaama, Krodha and Lobha

etc. Wirth loving Pranams

A sadhaka

gori_46 wrote: Question: Should we pray to God for everything we want in life?Gita Talk GuidelinesFROM THE MODERATORThe following are the guidelines for Gita-Talk discussions.

1. Purpose of the group is to help Sadhaks clarify their doubts related to Gita shlokas. For responses to

be posted, they must further clarify the understanding of Gitaji. 2. Wherever possible, please quote Gitaji or other scriptures to substantiate the response3. Please limit personal feelings, opinions, beliefs etc.

4. Kindly make your responses concise and to the point. (Up to twenty line maximum, if possible). 5. Please limit discussions to subject at hand.6. Please do not include links to other sites or other organizations

7. Please do not include your personal information such as phone number, address etc.8. Kindly do not address the response to a particular individual, since the message is going to the entire group. 9. Due to a large readership, not all responses will be posted.

10. Moderator at his discretion, may modify the posting, if content is unclear or not appropriate for distribution to the group.11. Please respond taking into consideration novices, youth, westerners, non-secterian audience. Please limit the use on only

sanskrit words, and provide the english word with sanskrit bracketed wherever possible. MODERATORRam Ram

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Dear,

What mantra did Sugriya, Jatayu, Sabari say? All were pure love by action. One may say daily mantras but should understand that all beings are equal to Sri Ram. There was saint by name Badrachala Ramadass. Sri Ram appeared to him and said that HE will come on Sri Rama Navami pooja. The saint was disappointed as Sri Ram never came. Next day in frustration saint banged his head. Sri Ram appeared and said that HE came in form of buffalow which was chased off. That was to show his devotee that divinity in all beings and Sri Ram is not seperate entity somewhere else. Omnipresent is Sri Ram. Sant Ganeswar made a buffallow speak, because he knew that Mantras can keep purifing one. But should reach a blissful stage where Sri Rama is all prevading. There was a Alwar (saint in south India) to whom Sri Ram was always with him. Saint Thyagaraya was asked by Sri Rama what boon he wants. Saint said to give him a servants job in HIS kingdom. Hanumam was offered Sri Vaikuntam but

Hanuman refused and only HIS roop is enough. There was instance were Sri Ram waged war with Hanuman. But Hanuman `s purity of mind for Dharma was won.

B.Sathyanarayan Gaurav Mittal <agmittal wrote: When mantra recitation is done to achieve unalloyed love unto lotus feet of Ram, then it is pure bhakti.According to Ram charit manas, goal of all activites is to achieve love unto lotus feet of Ram.-Gaurav On 9/5/07, baiya sathyanarayan <baiya07_sathya (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: When reciting a Mantra for purpose of relieving yourself from problems or suffering, such Mantras are known as Karmic Bakthi. The same mantra wehn recited for the benifit of the entire universe, is pure bakthi. When you do pure devotion (bhakti), you too being a part of the world are benifitted along with the rest of the universe. B.Sathyanarayan vrsarma podury <rpodury > wrote:

Dear madan kaura thank you for an enlightening posting. I rquest you to kindly consider the following and clarify if possible 1. Between spiritual aspiration of realising God and desire for material benefits there are certain things like karmic effects- like physical and mental sufferrings/deseases of one self and close relatives which hinder spiritual sadhana. I heard of mantra sadhana ( dasa mahavidyas) which when done systematically would help one to come out of certain problems. Of course these may come under prayers. Do such practices stand in the way of spiritual progress? podury On 8/28/07, Madan kaura < madan_kaura > wrote: Shree Hari Ram Ram Priya sadhak, prasana ke liye dhanyavad, lot of good responses have already been posted. Humbly, submit few more comments: According to Swamiji Maharaj's interpretation of Gitaji's verse (7-16) in Sadhaka Sajeevani, among the 4-types of devotees of God one of them is " Artharthi". who prays to God for worldly things. God is pleased, thinking, My dear devotee is praying to Me for his needs, at least he is solely depending on Me only and not on someone else". How generous of God to think in this manner. Solely depending on God for our needs, believe is the only the first stage of devotion for the sadhaka, subsequent to that the relationship with God should develop into Love for God and then the desire for the things falls off on its own. The important point is that – what is our motivation, is our intent to get the things only and it does not matter who gives the things to us,

this way, the importance is on getting the things and not dependence on God. If that is the case, then there is a serious issue. This way we will miss the golden opportunity to realize the only important goal of life to unite with God since our attention is on desire for things which satisfy us for the time being only. Are we thinking that God is less intelligent than us, we think that we know our needs better than what He knows. If truly we see God as our Father & Mother, do we need to pray to Him for our list of things, does He not know what our needs are? Even the worldly mother always knows what her child needs, when and how much? Therefore, for an aspirant with complete faith in God, there is no need to ask (Refer to Gitaji

9-22). To this effect Goswami Tulsidasji says in Ramacharitmanas – a). Ahi tan kar phala bishya na bhai, Swargu svalpa anta dukhda, nara tana pai bishya man dehi, palate

sudha te sath bish lehi(Uttar 43-1) b). binu santosha na kama nasahi, Kaam achhat sukh sapnehun nahin Rama bhajan binu mitahi na kama (uttar 89-1) Meaning – a). Sensuous enjoyment, brothern, is not the be-all and end-all of human existence; and even the heavenly enjoyments is short lived and ends in sorrow. The fools who devote their mind to the pleasures of senses even after attaining rare human birth taking poison in exchange of nectar. b). Without contentment desire cannot cease; and as long as desire continues you can never even dream of happiness. Desire cannot be rid of without adoring Sri Rama. As Swamiji Maharaj would say,

if we have decided to ask God for something, why to ask for the material things? Why to settle for glass beads when we can have P aras Mani? Once we have deep faith in God, then we resort to - "Jahi vidhi rakhe Ram tehi vidhi rahie". Swamiji Maharaj says ask for His LOVE only or ask Him to help us in getting rid of Kaama, Krodha and Lobha etc. Wirth loving Pranams A sadhaka gori_46 wrote: Question: Should we pray to God for everything we want in life?Gita Talk GuidelinesFROM THE MODERATORThe following

are the guidelines for Gita-Talk discussions. 1. Purpose of the group is to help Sadhaks clarify their doubts related to Gita shlokas. For responses to be posted, they must further clarify the understanding of Gitaji. 2. Wherever possible, please quote Gitaji or other scriptures to substantiate the response3. Please limit personal feelings, opinions, beliefs etc. 4. Kindly make your responses concise and to the point. (Up to twenty line maximum, if possible). 5. Please limit discussions to subject at hand.6. Please do not include links to other sites or other organizations 7. Please do not include your personal information such as phone number, address etc.8. Kindly do not address the response to a particular individual, since the message is going to the entire group. 9. Due to a large readership, not all responses will be posted. 10. Moderator at his discretion, may modify the posting, if content is unclear or not appropriate

for distribution to the group.11. Please respond taking into consideration novices, youth, westerners, non-secterian audience. Please limit the use on only sanskrit words, and provide the english word with sanskrit bracketed wherever possible. MODERATORRam Ram

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