: Question: Should we pray to God for everything we want in life?

[Guest guest]

All,

 

I thought the moderator suggested us to stick to "Gitaji"-

no where the Lord refers to Himself as our servant (dAsa)

in Gitaji! Perhaps we should try first to get what

GitAji says and any extrapolation we should clarify.

This way we will not be feeding words to GitAji!

 

 

 

Ramakrishna Tadikonda <tramakrsna

 

Tue, 14 Aug 2007 7:05 am

Re: Re : Question: Should we pray to God for everything we want in life?

 

Hi Nitin,

 

A question regarding your comment "God is your servent, and when you call he is there for you."

If God is our servent, why we need to pray him, instead we could demand things whatever we want, am I right?

Clarify me what you meant by "SERVENT".

 

Regards,

Dr. Ramakrishna.

 

 

NITIN BORA <genb wrote:

 

 

omkalankinamah

www.omkalankinamah.org

god has given you every thing which he has including his thinking power and sent you as his representative on this planet with a specific objective but unfortunately in kaliyug we only believe in money(MATERIAL WORLD) and and amenities

You have rights to ask any thing which you want but before asking you should be sure that what you are asking is really what you need

God is your servent, and when you call he is there for you. Have you ever thought about Him giving you oxyzen without our asking? He gave us water without our demands means every thing we required he has given to us !

thanking you

dilip bhamawat

omkalankinamah

Question: Should we pray to God for everything we want in life?

 

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[Guest guest]

Dear all,

When the Lord Himself has said,

"ANANYASCHINTAYANTHO MAM YE JANAH PARYUPASATHE

THESHAM NITHYABHIYUKTHANAM YOGAKSHEMAM VAHAMYAHAM"

 

I need not elaborate on the meaning as it is a well-known stanza.

When we have handed over all our problems to Him and rely on Him 100%,

where is the question of again asking for this and that ? When the

family doctor is himself visiting one daily and taking care of all our

interests, where is the question of our running after another doctor

? The only difference is that the family doctor has to be told about

the ailment we have, but as the Lord is omniscient, He knows everything

and He will completely take care of us., In this context, kindly permit

me to quote a stanza from "Narayaneeyam", the condensed version of

Bhagavatam , where the author Bhattatiri says addressing the Lord,

 

NAMRANAM SANNIDHATSE SATATAM API PUNAS-THAIRE

ANABHYARTTHITAANY-API

ARTTHAN KAMAN AJASRAM VITARASI PARAMANANDA-SANDRAM GATIM CHA!

ITTHAM NISSESHA-LABHYO NIRAVADHIKA-PHALAH PAARIJATHO HAREY TWAM!

KSHUDRAM THAM SAKRAVATEE-DRUMAM ABHILASHATI VYARTTHAM ARTTHI-VRAJO AYAM!

 

Meaning: "O Lord of Guruvayoor! You present yourself in front

of all your devotees (although the devotee does not see Him physically)

whenever somebody offers prostrations, and grant them all their wishes

and desires although unasked, and ultimately give

them the "Paramananda-sandram gati", the ultimate bliss

of emancipation from the cycle of Samsara. When You are such a

Parijata (the wish-giving tree) Yourself ",within the reach of all

irrespective of caste, creed or religion,

why are these avaricious groups of people vainly running about for the

shrub of a Parijata in the court-yard of Indra ?"

 

So, when the Lord is omniscient and knows what are all in our minds,

why should we ask for anything at all ? Pray to Him with Nishkama

Bhakti and leave the rest to Him!

 

 

Regards

K.V. Gopalakrishna

----

Yes Prayers help when one becomes part of that Divinity and has understood the teachings of Vedanta.

 

Regards

Sunil.

----

There is no God. Also there is nothing but God. Both are true.

God is not external to us, some body Out There.

God is in here. Because we have lost sight of God within us, we wound ourselves in million ways. Thrashing the environment, allowing our farmers to commit suicide, murdering our girl babies -- because we do not recognise the Divine within us.

 

Praying, even for material things at some point puts us in touch with ourselves. We may get what we ask for, but that is somewhere the result of our own endeavour. After we get what we want, somehow subtly our vision changes. We see the impermanance of this material world, and give our energies to meet group goals.

Prabha Krishnan

----

Pray means meditation or thinking about. In Bhagwat Gita, Sri Krishna says about his state of conciousness (mun) and how one can reach it by constancy in effort of mind control (abhyasa of dharma). In the end, He says 'mun mana bhav' is about union of minds and thinking alike

This is all about 'pray'.

regards

K G Misra

----

 

Obviously we can ask for things (it is not adharma) and the Lord is not against that, because even though the Lord says "kRpaNAh phala hetavah"; in fact, Lord refers to "arthArtis" as "udArAh".

Furthermore, He does not group "arthArtis" under "Asuras"

whom he will return over and over again endlessly to AsurI yoni,

until they resolve their ways.

 

dAsan

K.S. tAtAchAr

----

If we can decide on what we want... Then Praying for God is only for helping us with the means to achieve the same.... and that with our own efforts will take us towards our wished goals.... But do we always know what we want at any partaicular point of time... what ever we had aspired for intently and have got will soon thereafter prove to be a problem in some way..... So Best it is to firstly to Pray God to help us decide on our want of any given time.... "Yad Hitam Mama Deeshaa Tad-Aagnaapaya Maadhava" ... "Oh God What is Good for me Thou Order and get it done> !....

Veda Sampath

----

Like you are the master of your subordinate in office and yet you are the servant to your superior, the same God is servant when you need him as such. But when you want a wish to be granted, you become servant ( a boon seeker) and the Lord becomes your Master.

 

So you have to pray to Him.

 

friendly regards

s.seshadri

----

Dear Nitin / Dilip,

 

I don't understand on what basis you have used the word "servant" for God the "MASTER" of universe. May I seek your favour in avoiding to use such language, as I am sure, this is bound to hurt the sentiments of most.

 

A.H.Dalmia

----

Jai Sitaramjiki, Jai Shri Shyam Sunder and Radhajiki; Jai Veer Hanuman.

 

My comment: 1. I agree that Bhagwan Krishn does not say in Gita that he is our servant.

 

2. He however states in Shri Gitaji that he loves the most who is his Bhakta and therefore it is clear that we must pray to him and ask him for anything we want in this life or beyond. Moreover, he is the only one in this wide world who can judge that what you are asking for is in your 'hit', i.e. or is it good for you or not; therefore he may also deny in mercy for your own good. Or if it is in your 'hit' he may grant it to you your legitimate need/request.

SHER SINGH AGRAWAL

----

We are discussing about asking GOD , who is all powerful, omni-present. As such the example of a mother, who has limited capacity, does not suit this discussion. What we get in our life is on account of our Karma, which cannot be wished away. God knows what and when to give his children. But we must first deserve and then desire. Our prayers should always be for what we deserve, which God will fulfill even without asking. Vaidyanathan

----

 

 

tatachar

wrote:

 

 

All,

 

I thought the moderator suggested us to stick to "Gitaji"-

no where the Lord refers to Himself as our servant (dAsa)

in Gitaji! Perhaps we should try first to get what

GitAji says and any extrapolation we should clarify.

This way we will not be feeding words to GitAji!

 

 

 

Ramakrishna Tadikonda <tramakrsna >

 

Tue, 14 Aug 2007 7:05 am

Re: Re : Question: Should we pray to God for

everything we want in life?

 

 

Hi Nitin,

 

A question regarding your comment "God is your servent, and when you

call he is there for you."

If God is our servent, why we need to pray him, instead we could demand

things whatever we want, am I right?

Clarify me what you meant by "SERVENT".

 

Regards,

Dr. Ramakrishna.

 

 

NITIN BORA <genb (AT) rediffmail (DOT) com>

wrote:

 

 

omkalankinamah

www.omkalankinamah.org

god has given you every thing which he has including his thinking power

and sent you as his representative on this planet with a specific

objective but unfortunately in kaliyug we only believe in

money(MATERIAL WORLD) and and amenities

You have rights to ask any thing which you want but before asking you

should be sure that what you are asking is really what you need

God is your servent, and when you call he is there for you. Have you

ever thought about Him giving you oxyzen without our asking? He gave us

water without our demands means every thing we required he has given to

us !

thanking you

dilip bhamawat

omkalankinamah

Question: Should we pray to God for everything we want in life?

 

Gita Talk Guidelines

 

/>FROM THE MODERATOR

 

The following are the guidelines for Gita-Talk discussions.

1. Purpose of the group is to help Sadhaks clarify their doubts related

to Gita shlokas. For responses to be posted, they must further clarify

the understanding of Gitaji.

2. Wherever possible, please quote Gitaji or other scriptures to

substantiate the response

3. Please limit personal feelings, opinions, beliefs etc.

4. Kindly make your responses concise and to the point. (Up to twenty

line maximum, if possible).

5. Please limit discussions to subject at hand.

6. Please do not include links to other sites or other organizations

7. Please do not include your personal information such as phone

number, address etc.

8. Kindly do not address the response to a particular individual, since

the message is going to the entire group.

9. Due to a large readership, not all responses will be posted.

10. Moderator at his discretion, may modify the posting, if content is

unclear or not appropriate for distribution to the group.

11. Please respond taking into consideration novices, youth,

westerners, non-secterian audience. Please limit the use on only

sanskrit words, and provide the english word with sanskrit bracketed

wherever possible.

 

MODERATOR

 

Ram Ram