Detachment from Selfish Service, as well? If so, What are the Ways?

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Shree Hari

 

SHOULD ONE ALSO BECOME DETACHED TO SELFLESS SERVICE?

 

IF YES, WHAT ARE THE WAYS TO BECOME COMPLETELY DETACHED.

 

THANKS

R PRASAD

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Dear Sadhakas, Namaste!

The heading in subject above is detachment from

selfinsh service, while in the question it is from

Selfless service, so I don't know the intention of the

question.

However, we can answer to take care of both aspects.

One has to detach from sense of " self " based on

identification with body-mind as one's own. Body-mind

based person or personality is just for playing a role

assigned by life in placing us in our specific

circumstances! We can play this role nicely,

effectively, provided there is deep understanding that

" I am Impersonal Conscious-Being in my core,

manifesting this role in this personal body " . This is

what Krishna taught Arjuna in Geeta, isn't it?

When this becomes my conviction beyond intellectual

level, selfless service is just a natural outcome of

my being and not an effort to do it! No effort to

detach from anything at all is required as I am not

attached in the first place!

So there is no question of detachment from service.

The most important thing I have learned is that

detachment is from the " person " , and not from any

responsiblity.

Namaskar.....Pratap

 

 

 

 

--- sadhak_insight <sadhak_insight wrote:

 

> Shree Hari

>

> SHOULD ONE ALSO BECOME DETACHED TO SELFLESS SERVICE?

>

> IF YES, WHAT ARE THE WAYS TO BECOME COMPLETELY

> DETACHED.

>

> THANKS

> R PRASAD

>

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Understanding is the whole thing....

detached......simply means unaffected by any or all events/ happenings.

 

selfless service means detached service to others.

A service which increases your happiness is detached service.

A service which makes you unhappy for any reason is NOT...

 

Thanks for the opportunity......

 

 

On 10/4/07, sadhak_insight <sadhak_insight wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

Shree Hari SHOULD ONE ALSO BECOME DETACHED TO SELFLESS SERVICE?IF YES, WHAT ARE THE WAYS TO BECOME COMPLETELY DETACHED.THANKSR PRASAD-------------------------

Gita Talk GuidelinesFROM THE MODERATORThe following are the guidelines for Gita-Talk discussions.1. Purpose of the group is to help Sadhaks clarify their doubts related to Gita shlokas. For responses to be posted, they must further clarify the understanding of Gitaji.2. Wherever possible, please quote Gitaji or other scriptures to substantiate the response3. Please limit personal feelings, opinions, beliefs etc.4. Kindly make your responses concise and to the point. (Up to twenty line maximum, if possible).5. Please limit discussions to subject at hand.6. Please do not include links to other sites or other organizations7. Please do not include your personal information such as phone number, address etc.8. Kindly do not address the response to a particular individual, since the message is going to the entire group.9. Due to a large readership, not all responses will be posted.10. Moderator at his discretion, may modify the posting, if content is unclear or not appropriate for distribution to the group.11. Please respond taking into consideration novices, youth, westerners, non-secterian audience. Please limit the use on only sanskrit words, and provide the english word with sanskrit bracketed wherever possible. MODERATORRam Ram

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Dear All,

The interpretation which feels close to me as follows:

 

That Yes , we need to be detached from all kind of service even the

selfless service because even if we are doing selfless service but

there is a background of ego (I-Ness) then it's really not the

selfless service because as we know reaction of every action will

return to it's source , so if the selfless service is done against the

backdrop of I(the ego), then the reactions will come back to I and in

turn feed the ego more, where as if there is no sense of I in the

selfless service then the reaction will come to the original source

i.e. our true sense , our soul which in essence is indeed the Krishna

inside us.

 

The way to achieve is in my think to practice is the probably the most

popular verse (Krmdyadhikarvaste ma phaleshu kadachan) i.e. just do

the action and dont worry about the results because if are worrying

about the results then probably we are getting into the trap again,

however this should not be interpreted to not care about the quality

of action , the quality of selfless should be excellent to the best of

our efforts. The rest we dont have to worry about.

 

-Namaste

Pankaj

 

 

 

, " sadhak_insight "

<sadhak_insight wrote:

>

> Shree Hari

>

> SHOULD ONE ALSO BECOME DETACHED TO SELFLESS SERVICE?

>

> IF YES, WHAT ARE THE WAYS TO BECOME COMPLETELY DETACHED.

>

> THANKS

> R PRASAD

> ---

> Gita Talk Guidelines

>

> FROM THE MODERATOR

>

> The following are the guidelines for Gita-Talk discussions.

>

> 1. Purpose of the group is to help Sadhaks clarify their doubts

> related to Gita shlokas. For responses to be posted, they must

> further clarify the understanding of Gitaji.

> 2. Wherever possible, please quote Gitaji or other scriptures to

> substantiate the response

> 3. Please limit personal feelings, opinions, beliefs etc.

> 4. Kindly make your responses concise and to the point. (Up to

> twenty line maximum, if possible).

> 5. Please limit discussions to subject at hand.

> 6. Please do not include links to other sites or other organizations

> 7. Please do not include your personal information such as phone

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> since the message is going to the entire group.

> 9. Due to a large readership, not all responses will be posted.

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> wherever possible.

>

> MODERATOR

> Ram Ram

>

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Pranams. SERVICE TO HUMANITY IS SERVICE TO GOD.

when you do service to

god, you should not expect anything as reward, as God knows what is to begiven to you. So also it should be when you do service to humanity.

G.Vaidyanathan

 

 

From: scheel.skjDate: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 22:22:25 +0530Re: Detachment from Selfish Service, as well? If so, What are the Ways?

 

 

 

Understanding is the whole thing....

detached......simply means unaffected by any or all events/ happenings.

 

selfless service means detached service to others.

A service which increases your happiness is detached service.

A service which makes you unhappy for any reason is NOT...

 

Thanks for the opportunity......

 

 

On 10/4/07, sadhak_insight <sadhak_insight > wrote:

 

 

 

 

Shree Hari SHOULD ONE ALSO BECOME DETACHED TO SELFLESS SERVICE?IF YES, WHAT ARE THE WAYS TO BECOME COMPLETELY DETACHED.THANKSR PRASAD------------------------- Gita Talk GuidelinesFROM THE MODERATORThe following are the guidelines for Gita-Talk discussions.1. Purpose of the group is to help Sadhaks clarify their doubts related to Gita shlokas. For responses to be posted, they must further clarify the understanding of Gitaji.2. Wherever possible, please quote Gitaji or other scriptures to substantiate the response3. Please limit personal feelings, opinions, beliefs etc.4. Kindly make your responses concise and to the point. (Up to twenty line maximum, if possible).5. Please limit discussions to subject at hand.6. Please do not include links to other sites or other organizations7. Please do not include your personal information such as phone number, address etc.8. Kindly do not address the response to a particular individual, since the message is going to the entire group.9. Due to a large readership, not all responses will be posted.10. Moderator at his discretion, may modify the posting, if content is unclear or not appropriate for distribution to the group.11. Please respond taking into consideration novices, youth, westerners, non-secterian audience. Please limit the use on only sanskrit words, and provide the english word with sanskrit bracketed wherever possible. MODERATORRam Ram

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Ram Ram. As still a seeker, it is beyond understanding how one can render any (selfish or selfless) service to anybody when 'shareerasthoapi na karoti na lipyate' are His words. When doings and doerships are not our tasks, will it not be right to ignore all doings? Kindly guide. Thanks and regards,

Sarvottam.

 

 

 

---- Original message ----G. Vaidyanathan < nathangv >

 

 

< >

05 Oct 2007 07:32:31

RE: Detachment from Selfish Service, as well? If so,

 

Pranams. SERVICE TO HUMANITY IS SERVICE TO GOD.

when you do service to

god, you should not expect anything as reward, as God knows what is to begiven to you. So also it should be when you do service to humanity.

G.Vaidyanathan

 

 

scheel.skj

Thu, 4 Oct 2007 22:22:25 0530

Re: Detachment from Selfish Service, as well? If so, What are the Ways?

 

 

 

 

Understanding is the whole thing....

detached......simply means unaffected by any or all events/ happenings.

 

selfless service means detached service to others.

A service which increases your happiness is detached service.

A service which makes you unhappy for any reason is NOT...

 

Thanks for the opportunity......

 

 

 

 

On 10/4/07, sadhak_insight <sadhak_insight > wrote:

 

 

 

 

Shree Hari

 

SHOULD ONE ALSO BECOME DETACHED TO SELFLESS SERVICE?

 

IF YES, WHAT ARE THE WAYS TO BECOME COMPLETELY DETACHED.

 

THANKS

R PRASAD

-------------------------

Gita Talk Guidelines

 

FROM THE MODERATOR

 

The following are the guidelines for Gita-Talk discussions.

 

1. Purpose of the group is to help Sadhaks clarify their doubts

related to Gita shlokas. For responses to be posted, they must

further clarify the understanding of Gitaji.

2. Wherever possible, please quote Gitaji or other scriptures to

substantiate the response

3. Please limit personal feelings, opinions, beliefs etc.

4. Kindly make your responses concise and to the point. (Up to

twenty line maximum, if possible).

5. Please limit discussions to subject at hand.

6. Please do not include links to other sites or other organizations

7. Please do not include your personal information such as phone

number, address etc.

8. Kindly do not address the response to a particular individual,

since the message is going to the entire group.

9. Due to a large readership, not all responses will be posted.

10. Moderator at his discretion, may modify the posting, if content

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wherever possible.

 

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It is not ignore; BG calls for doing the best we can with what we have and where

we are- because that is the best anyone can do. Basically acting with reasoned

disregard.

 

Like the way we look at the Himalayas, Nayagara Falls, Las Vegas, or Grand

Canyon etc.

Enjoy them from wherever we are(our share), without envy or without the feeling

of ownership. When you are at Grand Canyon, don't stat to say, I am going to

ignore it and won't even look at it!

 

K.S. tAtAchAr

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Dear Sadhakas, Namaste!

The following was a question from Sarvottamji

 

" Ram Ram. As still a seeker, it is beyond

understanding how one can render any (selfish or

selfless) service to anybody when 'shareerasthoapi na

karoti na lipyate' are His words. When doings and

doerships are not our tasks, will it not be right to

ignore all doings? Kindly guide. Thanks and regards,

Sarvottam. "

 

No, we cannot ignore doings-karmas even if we try. " No

one can remain without karmas " , are also His words.

What is asked of us, is that we do them without the

sense of Doership!

This sense of doership, just a mind-based thought, is

derived as we see our body-mind doing karmas

constantly. This fools us to believe we are the doers

of karmas performed by us, and no one else! Of course

it is true I is doer, but what is this I, and its

nature, or its reality? Is it the same " I " as commonly

referred to by me in daily life? Is I, a person with a

name, born to such parents in some place, with desires

to be someone, having likes and dislikes, conditioned

by beliefs, nationality, religious upbringing etc etc?

All such factors create/define a person as an image in

the mind which cover up true identity, an experiential

fact of my being pure limitless awareness absolute!

Find out the true identity behind this apparant person

in us, and all our questions about doership, doings

etc will vanish into THAT we ARE, the only reality of

our Being, Sat-Chit-Anada. Please this is not a theory

or some distant goal to be achieved!

Namaskar.....Pratap

 

Dear Souls,

 

It is in short " To do un-motivated act (nis-kam-karma) " , but in our real life so

many things we do, are motivated acts. One example. One person walking ahead of

you and by movement something falls out of his pocket (pen-keys-

etc) and you just pick up and give to the person. HOLD ON YOUR MIND--

IS THE MIND AT ANY TIME ASKING FOR " THANKS/ THANK YOU " IN REPLY…..JUST WATCH…..

If " YES " then that's not unmotivated act. Keep practicing at every step... You

will reach a point when you will no expect from any person, for your actions.

It's called unmotivated act ( nis-kam -karma).

 

It is very easy to watch your actions. Try it. GOODLUCK.

 

SADHAK (bbpatelca)

 

 

Dear All,

 

This is what I received from Bhagavad Geeta.....

 

Two concepts ...

-- Attachment to something/someone/action(Karm)

-- Detachment from something/someone/action(Karm)

-----One is either 'attached' or 'detached' to something/someone/action(Karm)

-----Meaning ...In both the above cases the 'center' is

something/someone/action(Karm)

 

Idea is to have/accept/assimilate the Third concept...

-- Non-Attachment to something/someone/action(Karm)

-----meaning ...

 

To always believe that we are the non-doers. 'Non-Doership' is 'Selfless

Service " to God or Humanity

-----The 'acceptance' of our 'Non-Doership' is very difficult ONLY because of

our 'Ego - Ahamkar' -

-----This means that 'non-egoist' behavior breeds 'Non-Doership' and ultimately

'Non-attachment' leading to Liberation through Karma Yog

 

That is the reason why ALL Religions and their traditions (Sampraday) teaches

their followers the proven METHODS of neutralizing Ego.

 

ASTU.

 

Hasmukh Shah