Guest guest Posted October 29, 2007 Report Share Posted October 29, 2007 || Sree || Namaskar seekers, I have a practical question that is nagging me for years - Can reciting some slokas Bhagwad Gita daily with utmost earnestness (Bhaav) towards Lord Krushna would reduce or remove man's chronic diseases like say, TB, Cancer, BP etc? Please guide me. Guruharani a.d. tapkire Gita Talk Guidelines FROM THE MODERATOR The following are the guidelines for Gita-Talk discussions. 1. Purpose of the group is to help Sadhaks clarify their doubts related to Gita shlokas. For responses to be posted, they must further clarify the understanding of Gitaji. 2. Wherever possible, please quote Gitaji or other scriptures to substantiate the response 3. Please limit personal feelings, opinions, beliefs etc. 4. Kindly make your responses concise and to the point. (Up to twenty line maximum, if possible). 5. Please limit discussions to subject at hand. 6. Please do not include links to other sites or other organizations 7. Please do not include your personal information such as phone number, address etc. 8. Kindly do not address the response to a particular individual, since the message is going to the entire group. 9. Due to a large readership, not all responses will be posted. 10. Moderator at his discretion, may modify the posting, if content is unclear or not appropriate for distribution to the group. 11. Please respond taking into consideration novices, youth, westerners, non-secterian audience. Please limit the use on only sanskrit words, and provide the english word with sanskrit bracketed wherever possible. MODERATOR Ram Ram Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 29, 2007 Report Share Posted October 29, 2007 Dear Sadhakas, Namaste! Chanting Gita slokas with deep devotion and earnestness, just for the love of God would make one in acceptance of whatever comes as Prasad! Then with deepening of such love and joy, the change of heart takes place in devotee such that it doesn't matter to him or her what happens to body due to illness or whatever. TO remove illness wouldn't be as big a miracle for God as it would be to change the devotee from within so no illness or suffering is perceived as problem anymore! This way God who is all intelligence, manifest as physical laws of nature, upholds the them. In some mysterious ways illness may get cured too in some devotees! Miraculous are His ways! Only such devotee would have the vision to see such miracles where ordinary people may not have a clue. Pratap --- Arvind Tapkire <arvind_tapkire wrote: > || Shree || > > Namaskar seekers, > > I have a practical question that is nagging me for > years - Can reciting some slokas Bhagwad Gita daily > with utmost earnestness (Bhaav) towards Lord Krushna > would reduce or remove man's chronic diseases like > say, TB, Cancer, BP etc? Please guide me. > > Guruharani > a.d. tapkire > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 30, 2007 Report Share Posted October 30, 2007 No doubt about that.All chronic ailments can be healed by understanding ,feeling and then reciting selected Slokas of Gita. All Dis-eases originate at emotional level ,penetrate to mental level and then manifests at physical level. regards Ashok Jain - Arvind Tapkire Monday, October 29, 2007 8:37 PM Gita's Effect on Chronic Ailments || Sree || Namaskar seekers, I have a practical question that is nagging me for years - Can reciting some slokas Bhagwad Gita daily with utmost earnestness (Bhaav) towards Lord Krushna would reduce or remove man's chronic diseases like say, TB, Cancer, BP etc? Please guide me. Guruharani a.d. tapkire Gita Talk Guidelines FROM THE MODERATOR The following are the guidelines for Gita-Talk discussions. 1. Purpose of the group is to help Sadhaks clarify their doubts related to Gita shlokas. For responses to be posted, they must further clarify the understanding of Gitaji. 2. Wherever possible, please quote Gitaji or other scriptures to substantiate the response 3. Please limit personal feelings, opinions, beliefs etc. 4. Kindly make your responses concise and to the point. (Up to twenty line maximum, if possible). 5. Please limit discussions to subject at hand. 6. Please do not include links to other sites or other organizations 7. Please do not include your personal information such as phone number, address etc. 8. Kindly do not address the response to a particular individual, since the message is going to the entire group. 9. Due to a large readership, not all responses will be posted. 10. Moderator at his discretion, may modify the posting, if content is unclear or not appropriate for distribution to the group. 11. Please respond taking into consideration novices, youth, westerners, non-secterian audience. Please limit the use on only sanskrit words, and provide the english word with sanskrit bracketed wherever possible. MODERATOR Ram Ram Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 30, 2007 Report Share Posted October 30, 2007 Namasthe , Sure, reciting slokas with earnestness will definitely help, but again, try to understand the meaning behind the slokas. Also, in case even if u do not know the meanings of slokas, its ok. Just surrender onto that SUPREME in your own language and in your own words all of yourself and all your actions and activities and just do as an offering to that LORD, everything you do. Also OFFER to that lord with the complete devotion all your pain, suffering, happiness, everything and that SUPREME will take care of you. Regards, Bharathi -------- Most Definitely Devotion Bhakthi is an immense CURE Nama sangeerthanam will make pain go away IF done with Bhakthi Krishnarpanam Surrender unto Lord Krishna HE will take all care Hari OHM Partha -------- Jai Radhey Shyam. Jai SitaRam. Yes, reciting BhagvatGeeta and being Bhagavat-parayan (depending on Lord for everything) will cure you from diseases. It will remove the root cause of all diseases and free you from the cycle of birth-death. To be more specific: 1. Lord will take you out the cycle of birth-->old age --> disease --> death. 2. If deserved, He will give you what you lack and take what is not needed for (Refer Bhagvat Gita shlok 9.22) 3. He will give intelligence through which your diseases will get cured. (Refer Bhagvat Gita shlok 10.10) Nothing (No one) in this world can save any living entity except the mercy of Lord. Jai Ramji. Santosh. -------- Jai Guru Datta! Om NamahShivay! Here is a story that answers your question: Once up on a time, a priest suffered from a malignant tumor; despite his pain, he never stopped his daily worship of his Beloved Krishna, but one day, he complained to Krishna that Krishna is not taking care of his devotee and as he sobbed thus to his Lord, soon, Lord Krishna appeared and told him that the pain he is suffering now is the karmic consequence because of a wrong deed he had done in the past (life )and if Krishna were to remove it, he will have to bear the pain later [might even be in the next life]. Krishna told him that He is always with him as the priest suffers through the pain and then that Krishna will take him to His own abode once the priest leaves his body. Priest decided to live with his pain, but never again accused Krishna of not helping. ------- Vedanta teaches.... Given all self centric Karma is result of ignorance and the ultimate aim is that knowledge of one's own blissful and "Poorna" {self sufficient} nature, all self -centric Karmic debt has to be paid for; . even if someone {a deity or a saint} pays for it interim, the seeker is bound to travel the same path and make the same mistake or suffer the remainder of the karmic debt at another time as the seeker hasnt yet learned the knowledge from the experience. The negative experince can however be made milder and faster by Lord's {or Great Guru's} assistance so long as the seeker is genuinely engaged in appropriate purushardha {Self Effort}. Sufficient Purushardha over time would wash away effects of past karma gradually and this is why Karma theory is not fatalistic. Sree Guru Datta ShivMallik -------- SHREE JAIRAMJIKI. Your question is very relevant one. I think God has given us other ways to treat a sickness. How about if you are hungry and start reciting Gita shlokas; will it satisfy your hunger? Even though humorous, I would ask you to read KAKA HATHRASI'S (now late) poem RAMAYANI BHRAM to find an answer to such solutions for real problems of sickness etc. Of course, if you had no food to eat and start praying or if you had no money to treat your sickness, then you have no alternative but to pray and read shlokas, for better or for worse. Maybe God will find a solution; at other times maybe not. Sher Agrawal JAIRAMJIKI, JAISITARAMJIKI, JAI VEER HANUMAN. -------- Dear Sadhakas, Namaste! Chanting Gita slokas with deep devotion and earnestness, just for the love of God would make one in acceptance of whatever comes as Prasad! Then with deepening of such love and joy, the change of heart takes place in devotee such that it doesn't matter to him or her what happens to body due to illness or whatever. TO remove illness wouldn't be as big a miracle for God as it would be to change the devotee from within so no illness or suffering is perceived as problem anymore! This way God who is all intelligence, manifest as physical laws of nature, upholds the them. In some mysterious ways illness may get cured too in some devotees! Miraculous are His ways! Only such devotee would have the vision to see such miracles where ordinary people may not have a clue. Still another point is to see it is God as Intelligence that works in a Doctor who knows correct medicine, and the same Intelligence tells devotee who is ill to take medicine. Just as illness is governed by Him as Universal Laws which are transgressed by people, cures for such illness are another set of Laws as seen in discoveries of many vaccinations to eliminate many killer diseases! Devotees should take the medicines also for physical well being along with chanting! Pratap -------- wonderful you have exactly analysed. besides that, one may add the consideration of the choice of food used and the pious routine one engages in, regards. prabhakar -------- The 5 skandas which represent body and mind are form, feeling, conception, impulse and consciousness e.g. form is the physical body, consciousness is the faculty of awareness. By realising that they are empty, the Boddhisattva Avalokitesvara has escaped all Suffering, as can all sentient beings. Note the difference between intellectul understanding of this principle and truly internalizing it. Only by internalizing the truth of Emptiness can the cultivator escape suffering. No-Self, No dharma refer to the concept of emptiness, foid, sunata i.e. that entities have no fixed or independent nature... "nature and inner-nature" 2 great taoist terms.... Namaste tombabur -------- pranams. According to me, it should, though i have not personally experienced it. Recitation of certain Slokas recommended by the Senior Seer of kanchi mutt, fondly known as 'MAHAPERIAVAL' has cured ad deadly disease like cancer. it is only the question of conviction, AS IN THE CASE OF FAITH HEALING. Gita is a very powerful religious script and it should definitely help in controlling and curing diseases. G.Vaidanathan. -------- Arvind Tapkire <arvind_tapkire wrote: || Sree || Namaskar seekers, I have a practical question that is nagging me for years - Can reciting some slokas Bhagwad Gita daily with utmost earnestness (Bhaav) towards Lord Krushna would reduce or remove man's chronic diseases like say, TB, Cancer, BP etc? Please guide me. Guruharani a.d. tapkire Gita Talk Guidelines FROM THE MODERATOR The following are the guidelines for Gita-Talk discussions. 1. Purpose of the group is to help Sadhaks clarify their doubts related to Gita shlokas. For responses to be posted, they must further clarify the understanding of Gitaji. 2. Wherever possible, please quote Gitaji or other scriptures to substantiate the response 3. Please limit personal feelings, opinions, beliefs etc. 4. Kindly make your responses concise and to the point. (Up to twenty line maximum, if possible). 5. Please limit discussions to subject at hand. 6. Please do not include links to other sites or other organizations 7. Please do not include your personal information such as phone number, address etc. 8. Kindly do not address the response to a particular individual, since the message is going to the entire group. 9. Due to a large readership, not all responses will be posted. 10. Moderator at his discretion, may modify the posting, if content is unclear or not appropriate for distribution to the group. 11. Please respond taking into consideration novices, youth, westerners, non-secterian audience. Please limit the use on only sanskrit words, and provide the english word with sanskrit bracketed wherever possible. 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Guest guest Posted October 31, 2007 Report Share Posted October 31, 2007 Thank you for this wonderful group. The only one I read and this is my first time responding...Jai Bhagwan! When I first experienced the symptoms of auto-immune disorder Poly Myaglia Rheumatica, PMR, back in 2004, I sensed immediately, through the painful suffering, that I was receiving an important life enriching Teaching. I continued to practice the teachings inherent in my yoga tradition, feeling all the sensations in my body without judging them bad or good, and then riding the waves of the sensations through to the completion of each cycle, as best I could. After much self inquiry I finally recognized the many pains in my body as a manifestation of cleansing, the result of an intentional healing. Prior to the onset of the cleansing, (which I believe was activated through the release of prana, and was in my opinion wrongly diagnosed as disease in the medical sense), my vital, life energy was experienced as sluggish, due to blockages in my energy pathways. I believe my intentional healing, activated through the Practice of yoga nidra, evoked the awakening of the sluggish prana. I believe the pain in my body was the result of prana clearing away blockages and barriers in my body's energetic pathways, a very painful experience for me. PMR came in as a strict Guru for me activated by my yoga Practice. And through my continuing yoga Practice I am gradually receiving the healing benefits; the peace of no blame, no guilt, no shame, no denial.just acceptance. My question is: Is my experience a manifestation of the mystical powers of yoga and does Shri Krisha speak of this in the Gita anywhere? Om Kali MA, Devdasi. On Behalf Of Bharathi Tuesday, October 30, 2007 9:35 PM Re: Gita's Effect on Chronic Ailments Namasthe , Sure, reciting slokas with earnestness will definitely help, but again, try to understand the meaning behind the slokas. Also, in case even if u do not know the meanings of slokas, its ok. Just surrender onto that SUPREME in your own language and in your own words all of yourself and all your actions and activities and just do as an offering to that LORD, everything you do. Also OFFER to that lord with the complete devotion all your pain, suffering, happiness, everything and that SUPREME will take care of you. Regards, Bharathi -------- Most Definitely Devotion Bhakthi is an immense CURE Nama sangeerthanam will make pain go away IF done with Bhakthi Krishnarpanam Surrender unto Lord Krishna HE will take all care Hari OHM Partha -------- Jai Radhey Shyam. Jai SitaRam. Yes, reciting BhagvatGeeta and being Bhagavat-parayan (depending on Lord for everything) will cure you from diseases. It will remove the root cause of all diseases and free you from the cycle of birth-death. To be more specific: 1. Lord will take you out the cycle of birth-->old age --> disease --> death. 2. If deserved, He will give you what you lack and take what is not needed for (Refer Bhagvat Gita shlok 9.22) 3. He will give intelligence through which your diseases will get cured. (Refer Bhagvat Gita shlok 10.10) Nothing (No one) in this world can save any living entity except the mercy of Lord. Jai Ramji. Santosh. -------- Jai Guru Datta! Om NamahShivay! Here is a story that answers your question: Once up on a time, a priest suffered from a malignant tumor; despite his pain, he never stopped his daily worship of his Beloved Krishna, but one day, he complained to Krishna that Krishna is not taking care of his devotee and as he sobbed thus to his Lord, soon, Lord Krishna appeared and told him that the pain he is suffering now is the karmic consequence because of a wrong deed he had done in the past (life )and if Krishna were to remove it, he will have to bear the pain later [might even be in the next life]. Krishna told him that He is always with him as the priest suffers through the pain and then that Krishna will take him to His own abode once the priest leaves his body. Priest decided to live with his pain, but never again accused Krishna of not helping. ------- Vedanta teaches.... Given all self centric Karma is result of ignorance and the ultimate aim is that knowledge of one's own blissful and " Poorna " {self sufficient} nature, all self -centric Karmic debt has to be paid for; . even if someone {a deity or a saint} pays for it interim, the seeker is bound to travel the same path and make the same mistake or suffer the remainder of the karmic debt at another time as the seeker hasnt yet learned the knowledge from the experience. The negative experince can however be made milder and faster by Lord's {or Great Guru's} assistance so long as the seeker is genuinely engaged in appropriate purushardha {Self Effort}. Sufficient Purushardha over time would wash away effects of past karma gradually and this is why Karma theory is not fatalistic. Sree Guru Datta ShivMallik -------- SHREE JAIRAMJIKI. Your question is very relevant one. I think God has given us other ways to treat a sickness. How about if you are hungry and start reciting Gita shlokas; will it satisfy your hunger? Even though humorous, I would ask you to read KAKA HATHRASI'S (now late) poem RAMAYANI BHRAM to find an answer to such solutions for real problems of sickness etc. Of course, if you had no food to eat and start praying or if you had no money to treat your sickness, then you have no alternative but to pray and read shlokas, for better or for worse. Maybe God will find a solution; at other times maybe not. Sher Agrawal JAIRAMJIKI, JAISITARAMJIKI, JAI VEER HANUMAN. -------- Dear Sadhakas, Namaste! Chanting Gita slokas with deep devotion and earnestness, just for the love of God would make one in acceptance of whatever comes as Prasad! Then with deepening of such love and joy, the change of heart takes place in devotee such that it doesn't matter to him or her what happens to body due to illness or whatever. TO remove illness wouldn't be as big a miracle for God as it would be to change the devotee from within so no illness or suffering is perceived as problem anymore! This way God who is all intelligence, manifest as physical laws of nature, upholds the them. In some mysterious ways illness may get cured too in some devotees! Miraculous are His ways! Only such devotee would have the vision to see such miracles where ordinary people may not have a clue. Still another point is to see it is God as Intelligence that works in a Doctor who knows correct medicine, and the same Intelligence tells devotee who is ill to take medicine. Just as illness is governed by Him as Universal Laws which are transgressed by people, cures for such illness are another set of Laws as seen in discoveries of many vaccinations to eliminate many killer diseases! Devotees should take the medicines also for physical well being along with chanting! Pratap -------- wonderful you have exactly analysed. besides that, one may add the consideration of the choice of food used and the pious routine one engages in, regards. prabhakar -------- The 5 skandas which represent body and mind are form, feeling, conception, impulse and consciousness e.g. form is the physical body, consciousness is the faculty of awareness. By realising that they are empty, the Boddhisattva Avalokitesvara has escaped all Suffering, as can all sentient beings. Note the difference between intellectul understanding of this principle and truly internalizing it. Only by internalizing the truth of Emptiness can the cultivator escape suffering. No-Self, No dharma refer to the concept of emptiness, foid, sunata i.e. that entities have no fixed or independent nature... " nature and inner-nature " 2 great taoist terms.... Namaste tombabur -------- pranams. According to me, it should, though i have not personally experienced it. Recitation of certain Slokas recommended by the Senior Seer of kanchi mutt, fondly known as 'MAHAPERIAVAL' has cured ad deadly disease like cancer. it is only the question of conviction, AS IN THE CASE OF FAITH HEALING. Gita is a very powerful religious script and it should definitely help in controlling and curing diseases. G.Vaidanathan. -------- Arvind Tapkire <arvind_tapkire wrote: || Sree || Namaskar seekers, I have a practical question that is nagging me for years - Can reciting some slokas Bhagwad Gita daily with utmost earnestness (Bhaav) towards Lord Krushna would reduce or remove man's chronic diseases like say, TB, Cancer, BP etc? Please guide me. Guruharani a.d. tapkire Gita Talk Guidelines FROM THE MODERATOR The following are the guidelines for Gita-Talk discussions. 1. Purpose of the group is to help Sadhaks clarify their doubts related to Gita shlokas. For responses to be posted, they must further clarify the understanding of Gitaji. 2. Wherever possible, please quote Gitaji or other scriptures to substantiate the response 3. Please limit personal feelings, opinions, beliefs etc. 4. Kindly make your responses concise and to the point. (Up to twenty line maximum, if possible). 5. Please limit discussions to subject at hand. 6. Please do not include links to other sites or other organizations 7. Please do not include your personal information such as phone number, address etc. 8. Kindly do not address the response to a particular individual, since the message is going to the entire group. 9. Due to a large readership, not all responses will be posted. 10. Moderator at his discretion, may modify the posting, if content is unclear or not appropriate for distribution to the group. 11. Please respond taking into consideration novices, youth, westerners, non-secterian audience. Please limit the use on only sanskrit words, and provide the english word with sanskrit bracketed wherever possible. 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Guest guest Posted November 1, 2007 Report Share Posted November 1, 2007 Dear Audrey, As per Geetaji, everyone in the universe gets the pleasures and pains in this birth, only based on his deeds in the previous births. Hence, personally, I don't see your experience as written as anything more than psychological. However, even psychology plays an important role in moulding a persons life. Infact one can say that everything in the world is happening out of mercy of the lord. Some people accept this and others don't. The fact that you have been relating your pains with devine, please rest assured that your belief is absolutely correct. All the pains come from our bad deeds of the earlier births and when we have sufferred them the bad deeds of the past get erased. Hence, there can be no doubt that this is indeed a cleansing process. With this cleansing, you must now proceed to do your sadhana as per Geetaji. A.H.Dalmia -- Jai Guru Datta! Om NamahShivay! Gita does allude to the Yoga you mention in chapters 6-7, but what you are describing is your realization from your own experience; this is good because you have been able to able to put knowledge ini practice and benefit from experience. In some way sickness and such problems are our motivators to understand more of who we really are. Lord Krishna is a master of such yoga and shakti (Kali) is His healing power through which you understand, progress and even be able to give love to others. Just in case you are engaged in Mystic Yogic practces [Kundalini], please be warned that such practices can be dangerous without helpf from an experienced teacher; at the very least, one should practice the essence of the shloka in Gita:Bhakti Yoga that reads like this: Klesodhika Tarastesha Avyakta Sakta Chestasaam Avyakta hi gathir dukham Deha Vadbhiravabhyate Sree Guru Datta! ShivMallik -- Dear Friend Audrey, Greetings / Namaste ! Very interesting ! Through ardent and practice with devotion (understanding the meaning and purpose of Yoga practices) of Ashtanga Yoga, one can acquire 64 mystical powers (siddhis) but if one realises that these divine powers are just for us to realise the infinite nature (depth) of the DIVINE, and we move on without getting stuck with these powers (using them for any selfish interest, using these powers to help others in the spiritual journey is fine), our overall evolution towards the ULTIMATE TRUTH THAT IS ISHWARA / GOD will progress. To orient ourselves towards the right path, we should have the basic understanding of the existence of this Universe, science of the whole TRUTH and our part in its movement. With best regards and prayers, VM vavamenon -- Namaste to all, As a Westerner and new comer to this group, thank you for your many helpgul replies. Though I did not post the original question, it has inspired me to more enter the Gita, to study it and to put it into practice. Blessings to all, Steve -- - Audrey Pearson Wednesday, October 31, 2007 6:41 PM RE: Gita's Effect on Chronic Ailments Thank you for this wonderful group. The only one I read and this is my firsttime responding...Jai Bhagwan!When I first experienced the symptoms of auto-immune disorder Poly MyagliaRheumatica, PMR, back in 2004, I sensed immediately, through the painfulsuffering, that I was receiving an important life enriching Teaching. Icontinued to practice the teachings inherent in my yoga tradition, feelingall the sensations in my body without judging them bad or good, and thenriding the waves of the sensations through to the completion of each cycle,as best I could. After much self inquiry I finally recognized the many painsin my body as a manifestation of cleansing, the result of an intentionalhealing. Prior to the onset of the cleansing, (which I believe wasactivated through the release of prana, and was in my opinion wronglydiagnosed as disease in the medical sense), my vital, life energy wasexperienced as sluggish, due to blockages in my energy pathways. I believemy intentional healing, activated through the Practice of yoga nidra, evokedthe awakening of the sluggish prana. I believe the pain in my body was theresult of prana clearing away blockages and barriers in my body's energeticpathways, a very painful experience for me. PMR came in as a strict Gurufor me activated by my yoga Practice. And through my continuing yogaPractice I am gradually receiving the healing benefits; the peace of noblame, no guilt, no shame, no denial.just acceptance. My question is: Is myexperience a manifestation of the mystical powers of yoga and does ShriKrisha speak of this in the Gita anywhere?Om Kali MA,Devdasi. On BehalfOf BharathiTuesday, October 30, 2007 9:35 PM Subject: Re: Gita's Effect on Chronic AilmentsNamasthe , Sure, reciting slokas with earnestness will definitely help, butagain, try to understand the meaning behind the slokas. Also, in case evenif u do not know the meanings of slokas, its ok. Just surrender onto thatSUPREME in your own language and in your own words all of yourself and allyour actions and activities and just do as an offering to that LORD,everything you do. Also OFFER to that lord with the complete devotion allyour pain, suffering, happiness, everything and that SUPREME will take careof you.Regards,Bharathi-------------------------Most Definitely Devotion Bhakthi is an immense CURENama sangeerthanam will make pain go away IF done with Bhakthi KrishnarpanamSurrender unto Lord Krishna HE will take all careHari OHMPartha-------------------------Jai Radhey Shyam. Jai SitaRam.Yes, reciting BhagvatGeeta and being Bhagavat-parayan (depending on Lord foreverything) will cure you from diseases. It will remove the root cause ofall diseases and free you from the cycle of birth-death.To be more specific:1. Lord will take you out the cycle of birth-->old age --> disease -->death.2. If deserved, He will give you what you lack and take what is not neededfor (Refer Bhagvat Gita shlok 9.22)3. He will give intelligence through which your diseases will get cured.(Refer Bhagvat Gita shlok 10.10)Nothing (No one) in this world can save any living entity except the mercyof Lord. Jai Ramji.Santosh.-------------------------Jai Guru Datta!Om NamahShivay!Here is a story that answers your question:Once up on a time, a priest suffered from a malignant tumor; despite hispain, he never stopped his daily worship of his Beloved Krishna, but oneday, he complained to Krishna that Krishna is not taking care of his devoteeand as he sobbed thus to his Lord, soon, Lord Krishna appeared and told himthat the pain he is suffering now is the karmic consequence because of awrong deed he had done in the past (life )and if Krishna were to remove it,he will have to bear the pain later [might even be in the next life].Krishna told him that He is always with him as the priest suffers throughthe pain and then that Krishna will take him to His own abode once thepriest leaves his body. Priest decided to live with his pain, but neveragain accused Krishna of not helping. -------Vedanta teaches....Given all self centric Karma is result of ignorance and the ultimate aim isthat knowledge of one's own blissful and "Poorna" {self sufficient} nature,all self -centric Karmic debt has to be paid for; . even if someone {a deityor a saint} pays for it interim, the seeker is bound to travel the same pathand make the same mistake or suffer the remainder of the karmic debt atanother time as the seeker hasnt yet learned the knowledge from theexperience. The negative experince can however be made milder and faster byLord's {or Great Guru's} assistance so long as the seeker is genuinelyengaged in appropriate purushardha {Self Effort}. Sufficient Purushardhaover time would wash away effects of past karma gradually and this is whyKarma theory is not fatalistic.Sree Guru DattaShivMallik-------------------------SHREE JAIRAMJIKI.Your question is very relevant one. I think God has given us other ways totreat a sickness. How about if you are hungry and start reciting Gitashlokas; will it satisfy your hunger? Even though humorous, I would ask you to read KAKA HATHRASI'S (now late)poem RAMAYANI BHRAM to find an answer to such solutions for real problems ofsickness etc. Of course, if you had no food to eat and start praying or if you had nomoney to treat your sickness, then you have no alternative but to pray andread shlokas, for better or for worse. Maybe God will find a solution; atother times maybe not.Sher AgrawalJAIRAMJIKI, JAISITARAMJIKI, JAI VEER HANUMAN.-------------------------Dear Sadhakas, Namaste!Chanting Gita slokas with deep devotion and earnestness, just for the loveof God would make one in acceptance of whatever comes as Prasad! Then withdeepening of such love and joy, the change of heart takes place in devoteesuch that it doesn't matter to him or her what happens to body due toillness or whatever.TO remove illness wouldn't be as big a miracle for God as it would be tochange the devotee from within so no illness or suffering is perceived asproblem anymore!This way God who is all intelligence, manifest as physical laws of nature,upholds the them. In some mysterious ways illness may get cured too in somedevotees! Miraculous are His ways! Only such devotee would have the visionto see such miracles where ordinary people may not have a clue.Still another point is to see it is God as Intelligence that works in aDoctor who knows correct medicine, and the same Intelligence tells devoteewho is ill to take medicine. Just as illness is governed by Him as UniversalLaws which are transgressed by people, cures for such illness are anotherset of Laws as seen in discoveries of many vaccinations to eliminate manykiller diseases! Devotees should take the medicines also for physical wellbeing along with chanting! Pratap-------------------------wonderfulyou have exactly analysed. besides that, one may add the consideration ofthe choice of food used and the pious routine one engages in,regards.prabhakar -------------------------The 5 skandas which represent body and mind are form, feeling, conception,impulse and consciousness e.g. form is the physical body, consciousness isthe faculty of awareness. By realising that they are empty, the BoddhisattvaAvalokitesvara has escaped all Suffering, as can all sentient beings. Notethe difference between intellectul understanding of this principle and trulyinternalizing it. Only by internalizing the truth of Emptiness can thecultivator escape suffering.No-Self, No dharma refer to the concept of emptiness, foid, sunata i.e. thatentities have no fixed or independent nature..."nature and inner-nature" 2 great taoist terms....Namastetombabur-------------------------pranams. According to me, it should, though i have not personallyexperienced it. Recitation of certain Slokas recommended by the Senior Seerof kanchi mutt, fondly known as 'MAHAPERIAVAL' has cured ad deadly diseaselike cancer. it is only the question of conviction, AS IN THE CASE OF FAITHHEALING. Gita is a very powerful religious script and it should definitelyhelp in controlling and curing diseases. G.Vaidanathan.-------------------------Arvind Tapkire <arvind_tapkire (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote:|| Sree ||Namaskar seekers,I have a practical question that is nagging me for years - Canreciting some slokas Bhagwad Gita daily with utmost earnestness (Bhaav)towards Lord Krushna would reduce or remove man's chronic diseases like say,TB, Cancer, BP etc? Please guide me.Guruharania.d. tapkireGita Talk Guidelines FROM THE MODERATOR The following are the guidelines for Gita-Talk discussions. 1. Purpose of the group is to help Sadhaks clarify their doubtsrelated to Gita shlokas. For responses to be posted, they must furtherclarify the understanding of Gitaji. 2. Wherever possible, please quote Gitaji or other scriptures tosubstantiate the response 3. Please limit personal feelings, opinions, beliefs etc. 4. Kindly make your responses concise and to the point. (Up totwenty line maximum, if possible). 5. Please limit discussions to subject at hand. 6. 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Guest guest Posted December 21, 2007 Report Share Posted December 21, 2007 All religion is a Medicine. When chanting we are emptying the Mind to become still as a watery surface able to reflect the world around it and thus transcending the Self, to a place without Suffering, The body-Mind, thoughts and Emotions has an effect on the Physical Body by way of nadis and chakras: 'Find the Cause to Remove the Effect', is the Reiki philosophy and drying the mucous in the central column is its aim to open the 3rd eye to enlightenment starting at the base chakra. Namaste Arvind Tapkire Monday, October 29, 2007 8:37 PM Gita's Effect on Chronic Ailments || Sree || Namaskar seekers, I have a practical question that is nagging me for years - Can reciting some slokas Bhagwad Gita daily with utmost earnestness (Bhaav) towards Lord Krushna would reduce or remove man's chronic diseases like say, TB, Cancer, BP etc? Please guide me. Guruharani a.d. tapkire Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 21, 2007 Report Share Posted December 21, 2007 Dear sir, You are perfectly right. Nature does cure diseases in general. But Prarabdha Karma gives disease that can only be cured by Sriman Narayana or Nama Shivaya. Ramakrishna Paramahamsa suffered throat cancer. Ramana Rishi suffered cancerous boil on the leg. Battadri who sang 2000 verses of Narayinam on Guruvaur Krishna suffered paralatic stroke. Why, Panadavas suffered 13 years exile. Sri Rama suffered seperation of Mother Seetha to show us how one should care for his wife. Normal diseases got cured as you say when I took few people to camp in Kolli Hills where 18 Sidhars lived once. Their diseases got cured only by taking Satvik food and recitation of Geetha or Bagavath. But one or two not cured because of attachment on worldy matters though they were for good cause. Reciting slokas with Bakthi helps lot.We entrust our legal problem to Lawyer, our house building to a civil contractor. Our diseases to Doctor. Our money in Bank. BUT we never entrust our life and thoughts to that Sriman Narayana or Shiva. Yet we say God forsaken us. For Example One can get CD of Saint Tukaram and see what a faith and dedication to Panduranga with balanced mind. His wife hit him with a sugar can that broke into 2 pieces. Tukaram said to his wife that Panduranga gave 2 pieces of sugar cane one for each of them. Anger plays a vital role in human life. Visvamitra lost his Tapasic power. Durvasa lost his eye that was under his feet. Jaya & Vijaya lost their post at the door of Viakuntam. Sankathi Munis lost their entry into Viakuntam due to anger and curse they showed on Jaya Vijaya. Sri Vishnu says clearly that his Baktha is a person without 6 bad Gunas, anger, desire, etc. Very Very clearly HE has said in Bagavath Geetha that HIS Baktha will never be forsaken. Then it is upto to us to entrust us in HIM. Kamayesa, Korthayesa Etc HE said in Geetha. Just smile at things happening around thinking it is all HIS sankalpa, just like Prahaladha did. NO DISEASES COMES NEAR YOU. B.Sathyanarayan"K.V Gopalakrishna" <gopalakrishna.kv wrote: Dear all,Having read through all the msgs here on this topic, I feel that there is importance given to total belief or total disbelief.My opinion is this:Diseases are caused by Karma, I agree. Many diseases get cured by nature, by mere resistance by the body, even without taking any medicines. But still, one cannot just keep going without taking medicines, thinking that nature itself will cure it. So, there is no doubt that medicines should be taken. But even for medicines to act,. divine grace is required. Divine grace can be obtained only by prayer. Bhagavadgita-- I read it every day-- is not a book of prayer. It gives us certain precepts, which we have to follow, which will temper our mind to adjust to situations and find consolation within ourselves. It is more important to put into practice, whatever we learn by reading Bhagavadgita.Take medicines and simultaneously pray to the Lord ardently, to effect a rapid cure. The disease will be cured quickly with the grace of the Lord.RegardsK.V. Gopalakrishna.Arvind Tapkire wrote: || Sree || Namaskar Ashok-ji, Thanks a lot. You have given me food for thought. It is something quite different from my beliefs. I shall try to watch myself minutely and understand your points for my own enlightenment. I think other seekers should also try to examine Shri Ashok Jain's viewpoints from their own experience. Gurucharani a.d. tapkire A K Jain <akjain (AT) binani (DOT) net> wrote: Dear Arvind 1)Ailments will be cured by chanting due to belief that chanting will cure sickness,Placebo effect.One will have to have faith that by chanting sickness will be cured. 2)I do not agree that ancestors soul requires us to do something for them.The relationship is broken immidiately on death since new birth is taken.Time is human concept whereas death and rebirth occur simultaneously. 3)Having practiced Astrology for some years ,my view is destiny is not in concrete and it can be changed. 4)The Karmik debts can be repaid by suffering but it can also be dissolved by understanding the reason for such debt and changing the mindset to abstain from doing the same again. 5)Having practiced Reiki (Teacher),Pranic healing for many years, the reason for sickness appears to be not practicing Dharma in real life but having only conceptual knowledge. You need not agree or disagree with my views but examine from your experience. regards Ashok Jain - Arvind Tapkire A K Jain ; style="FONT-WEIGHT: normal; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-STYLE: normal; FONT-FAMILY: arial; FONT-VARIANT: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal">Tuesday, December 11, 2007 9:50 PM Eczema - Gita's Effect on Chronic Ailments || Sree || Namaskar Shri Ashok Jain, Thanks for your valuable information. After reading the article in the link and other related matters on that website, what I understand is that the ailments are cured by chanting of the Name of the Lord even if you have no faith in the Lord or even if you don't change your mindset. Because if you have read the article in the link, you will find that the foreigner was cured of eczema within 2 weeks though he did not believe in Lord Datta. Lord Datta is the principle in the universe whose main function is to give fillip to the unsatisfied souls wandering in the nether region (Bhuvaloka) in their journey to the next region, be it Heaven or Hell or yet another region wherever they are destined to go. . The nether region is the region of the unsatisfied souls of our ancestors who have become negative energies (i.e. ghosts, demons, etc.) They keep disturbing their descendants because the descendants are not doing anything for them to give them boost in their journey to the next region. The foreigner in question was being distressed by his ancestors and when he chanted Lord Datta's name his distress reduced. The foreigner when told about the bove theory after he was cured, be started believing in the ancestors' souls etc. It is also hundred percent true that ailments are the results of our Karmic debts. For example, if I am destined to have an ailment due to my karma, I shall certainly have one. But if I do spiritual practice of chanting the name of the Lord with faith and spiritual emotion (Bhaav), then the severity of the ailment will be much less. (The spiritual practice can be anything besides chanting of the Name, say it can be Dhyanayoga, Dnyanayoga, Karmayoga, Karmakanda, Hatayoga or anything for that matter.) It can be even negligible if one's spiritual level is 70% or more. Had this not been so, the foreigner's eczema would not have disappeared once and for all. The point to remember is that surprisingly, when he had stopped chanting due to dis-belief, his eczema reappeared and when continued chanting, it disappeared completely. What exaplanation can be given for this phenomenon? In other words, there is some spiritual power in the name that one chants, be it with change of mindset or without. I would humbly request you to go to the link I forwarded to you and read the full interview of the foreigner and allied matters. I shall write about how I was cured of my own ailment some time later. Thanks for your guidance in the matter. Do write. Our discussion is fruitful to each other. With a view that other seekers should also benefit from this discussion, I am cc.ing this to them also. With high regards, Gurucharani a.d. tapkire A K Jain <akjain (AT) binani (DOT) net> wrote: The disease are caused not due to unsatisfied ancestors.As soon as one dies he takes a new birth.First the next destnation is decided and than only present body is left. Whatever we have done in past lives and in the presen life gets stored in DNA strands of every cell of the body as a seed which in the next life grows into a big tree. The disease are caused by Karmic effects of past as well as present life.It is cured by altering the mind set and consequently the behaviour pattern. If chanting of God,s name,or doing any other religious practices does not result in change of mindset and behaviour ,the disease will not be cured.One of the reason why so called called religious people suffer from diseases is their ego of being religious. Even God does not interfere in settlement of Karmic debts.Suffering by disease is repayment of Karmic debt but if the lesson is not the disease will reappear . regards A K Jain - Arvind Tapkire arvind_tapkire (AT) rediffmail (DOT) com ; INVALID_ADDRESS@.SYNTAX-ERROR Sunday, December 09, 2007 11:55 PM Fwd: Re: Gita's Effect on Chronic Ailments || Sree || Namaskar Seekers, While Shri Ashok Jain has said that the cronic ailments can be cured by reciting specific shlokas from the Gita, I have also come across an article in a website comes out with a startling revelation that a person was cured of eczema merely by chanting of the Name of Shri Dattatreya Gurucharani a.d. tapkire A K Jain <akjain (AT) binani (DOT) net> wrote: "A K Jain" <akjain (AT) binani (DOT) net>Tue, 30 Oct 2007 11:12:59 +0530Re: Gita's Effect on Chronic Ailments No doubt about that.All chronic ailments can be healed by understanding ,feeling and then reciting selected Slokas of Gita. All Dis-eases originate at emotional level ,penetrate to mental level and then manifests at physical level. regards Ashok Jain - Arvind Tapkire Monday, October 29, 2007 8:37 PM Gita's Effect on Chronic Ailments || Sree || Namaskar seekers, I have a practical question that is nagging me for years - Can reciting some slokas Bhagwad Gita daily with utmost earnestness (Bhaav) towards Lord Krushna would reduce or remove man's chronic diseases like say, TB, Cancer, BP etc? Please guide me. Guruharani Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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