Guest guest Posted December 14, 2007 Report Share Posted December 14, 2007 Dear all, Having read through all the msgs here on this topic, I feel that there is importance given to total belief or total disbelief. My opinion is this: Diseases are caused by Karma, I agree. Many diseases get cured by nature, by mere resistance by the body, even without taking any medicines. But still, one cannot just keep going without taking medicines, thinking that nature itself will cure it. So, there is no doubt that medicines should be taken. But even for medicines to act,. divine grace is required. Divine grace can be obtained only by prayer. Bhagavadgita-- I read it every day-- is not a book of prayer. It gives us certain precepts, which we have to follow, which will temper our mind to adjust to situations and find consolation within ourselves. It is more important to put into practice, whatever we learn by reading Bhagavadgita. Take medicines and simultaneously pray to the Lord ardently, to effect a rapid cure. The disease will be cured quickly with the grace of the Lord. Regards K.V. Gopalakrishna. Arvind Tapkire wrote: || Sree || Namaskar Ashok-ji, Thanks a lot. You have given me food for thought. It is something quite different from my beliefs. I shall try to watch myself minutely and understand your points for my own enlightenment. I think other seekers should also try to examine Shri Ashok Jain's viewpoints from their own experience. Gurucharani a.d. tapkire A K Jain <akjain wrote: Dear Arvind 1)Ailments will be cured by chanting due to belief that chanting will cure sickness,Placebo effect.One will have to have faith that by chanting sickness will be cured. 2)I do not agree that ancestors soul requires us to do something for them.The relationship is broken immidiately on death since new birth is taken.Time is human concept whereas death and rebirth occur simultaneously. 3)Having practiced Astrology for some years ,my view is destiny is not in concrete and it can be changed. 4)The Karmik debts can be repaid by suffering but it can also be dissolved by understanding the reason for such debt and changing the mindset to abstain from doing the same again. 5)Having practiced Reiki (Teacher),Pranic healing for many years, the reason for sickness appears to be not practicing Dharma in real life but having only conceptual knowledge. You need not agree or disagree with my views but examine from your experience. regards Ashok Jain ----- Original Message ----- Arvind Tapkire To: A K Jain ; INVALID_ADDRESS@.SYNTAX-ERROR Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2007 9:50 PM Subject: Eczema - Gita's Effect on Chronic Ailments || Sree || Namaskar Shri Ashok Jain, Thanks for your valuable information. After reading the article in the link and other related matters on that website, what I understand is that the ailments are cured by chanting of the Name of the Lord even if you have no faith in the Lord or even if you don't change your mindset. Because if you have read the article in the link, you will find that the foreigner was cured of eczema within 2 weeks though he did not believe in Lord Datta. Lord Datta is the principle in the universe whose main function is to give fillip to the unsatisfied souls wandering in the nether region (Bhuvaloka) in their journey to the next region, be it Heaven or Hell or yet another region wherever they are destined to go. .. The nether region is the region of the unsatisfied souls of our ancestors who have become negative energies (i.e. ghosts, demons, etc.) They keep disturbing their descendants because the descendants are not doing anything for them to give them boost in their journey to the next region. The foreigner in question was being distressed by his ancestors and when he chanted Lord Datta's name his distress reduced. The foreigner when told about the bove theory after he was cured, be started believing in the ancestors' souls etc. It is also hundred percent true that ailments are the results of our Karmic debts. For example, if I am destined to have an ailment due to my karma, I shall certainly have one. But if I do spiritual practice of chanting the name of the Lord with faith and spiritual emotion (Bhaav), then the severity of the ailment will be much less. (The spiritual practice can be anything besides chanting of the Name, say it can be Dhyanayoga, Dnyanayoga, Karmayoga, Karmakanda, Hatayoga or anything for that matter.) It can be even negligible if one's spiritual level is 70% or more. Had this not been so, the foreigner's eczema would not have disappeared once and for all. The point to remember is that surprisingly, when he had stopped chanting due to dis-belief, his eczema reappeared and when continued chanting, it disappeared completely. What exaplanation can be given for this phenomenon? In other words, there is some spiritual power in the name that one chants, be it with change of mindset or without. I would humbly request you to go to the link I forwarded to you and read the full interview of the foreigner and allied matters. I shall write about how I was cured of my own ailment some time later. Thanks for your guidance in the matter. Do write. Our discussion is fruitful to each other. With a view that other seekers should also benefit from this discussion, I am cc.ing this to them also. With high regards, Gurucharani a.d. tapkire A K Jain <akjain wrote: The disease are caused not due to unsatisfied ancestors.As soon as one dies he takes a new birth.First the next destnation is decided and than only present body is left. Whatever we have done in past lives and in the presen life gets stored in DNA strands of every cell of the body as a seed which in the next life grows into a big tree. The disease are caused by Karmic effects of past as well as present life.It is cured by altering the mind set and consequently the behaviour pattern. If chanting of God,s name,or doing any other religious practices does not result in change of mindset and behaviour ,the disease will not be cured.One of the reason why so called called religious people suffer from diseases is their ego of being religious. Even God does not interfere in settlement of Karmic debts.Suffering by disease is repayment of Karmic debt but if the lesson is not the disease will reappear . regards A K Jain ----- Original Message ----- Arvind Tapkire To: arvind_tapkire ; INVALID_ADDRESS@.SYNTAX-ERROR Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2007 11:55 PM Subject: Fwd: Re: Gita's Effect on Chronic Ailments || Sree || Namaskar Seekers, While Shri Ashok Jain has said that the cronic ailments can be cured by reciting specific shlokas from the Gita, I have also come across an article in a website comes out with a startling revelation that a person was cured of eczema merely by chanting of the Name of Shri Dattatreya. A few foreign spiritual masters had conducted a case study in this regard and its result showed that the eczema was cured in a very short time. Astounding as it is, I thought it may be beneficial to you all. Hence sending the following link - http://spiritualresearchfoundation.org/spiritualresearch/difficulties/ancestors/casestudy_Spiritualhealingforeczema.php Besides the actual cure, what is astonishing is the theory that most of our ailments are due to our unsatisfied ancestors. Do let me have your comments and opinions. Gurucharani a.d. tapkire A K Jain <akjain wrote: To: "A K Jain" <akjain Tue, 30 Oct 2007 11:12:59 +0530 Re: Gita's Effect on Chronic Ailments No doubt about that.All chronic ailments can be healed by understanding ,feeling and then reciting selected Slokas of Gita. All Dis-eases originate at emotional level ,penetrate to mental level and then manifests at physical level. regards Ashok Jain ----- Original Message ----- Arvind Tapkire To: Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 8:37 PM Subject: Gita's Effect on Chronic Ailments || Sree || Namaskar seekers, I have a practical question that is nagging me for years - Can reciting some slokas Bhagwad Gita daily with utmost earnestness (Bhaav) towards Lord Krushna would reduce or remove man's chronic diseases like say, TB, Cancer, BP etc? Please guide me. Guruharani a.d. tapkire Gita Talk Guidelines FROM THE MODERATOR The following are the guidelines for Gita-Talk discussions. 1. Purpose of the group is to help Sadhaks clarify their doubts related to Gita shlokas. For responses to be posted, they must further clarify the understanding of Gitaji. 2. Wherever possible, please quote Gitaji or other scriptures to substantiate the response 3. Please limit personal feelings, opinions, beliefs etc. 4. 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