Guest guest Posted February 27, 2008 Report Share Posted February 27, 2008 om kalanki namah i would happy to know the primary objective of human beings as per Gita ! Nitin Bora -- FROM THE MODERATOR The following are the guidelines for Gita-Talk discussions. GITA TALK GROUP GUIDELINES: 1. Purpose of the group is to help Sadhakas clarify their doubts related to Gitaji shalokas. Therefore, responses which further clarify the understanding of Gitaji, will only be posted. 2. Wherever possible, please quote Gitaji or other scriptures to substantiate your response. 3. Kindly limit personal feelings, opinions, beliefs etc. to the extent that they further help in understanding the Gita shlokas 4. Please be as concise and to the point as possible, respecting sadhaka's time. 5. Kindly focus your writing to the subject at hand only. 6. Please do not include links to the other sites or other organizations. 7. Kindly do not include your personal information such as phone number, address etc. 8. Please do not address the response to a particular individual since the message is going to the entire group. 9. Due to the large readership, all responses may not be posted. 10. Moderator at his discretion, may modify the posting, if content is unclear or not appropriate for distribution to the group. 11. Please respond taking into consideration the novices, youth, westerners, non-sectarian audience. Kindly limit the use to Sanskrit words only, rather provide the English word with Sanskrit bracketed wherever possible. MODERATOR Ram Ram Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 28, 2008 Report Share Posted February 28, 2008 Thanks for raising this topic. In the first 3 verses of 16th Chapter, GOD has mentioned the divine traits. Divine traits means GOD's properties. So whoever has started walking on th path of GOD realization, these divine traits naturally occur in him. Then moving ahead GOD has explained in detail about the attitude and mentality of those persons who posses demoniac traits. From 4th - 19th verse this explanation continues. After mentioning these demoniac traits, GOD say this following 20th verse in a state of grief " O Son of Kunti, cast into demoniac wombs, birth after birth, these deluded ones, without ever attaining Me, fall into still baser state viz., foulest of hells. " Without ever attaining Me - This indicates that GOD wants each human being to attain him. If only a person with divine traits was entitled for GOD realization then why would have GOD mentioned these words while mentioning demoniac traits? It is so because we have got this human body for GOD realization. So this is the primary objective of human beings according to Gita. Bye, Varun Paprunia --- Priy, As per Gitaji primary objective of human being is to Attain God,or say Experience God, or say Realize own self that what I am. Hope it helps, Raja Gurdasani --- Dear Sadhakas, Namaste! Primary objective of Human beings is: To unfold the mystery surrounding self(Jiva), world(Jagat) and God(Jagdish)! In Gita this is taught in a very practical manner. Start with your self. Based on place, time, and circumstances one finds oneself in, do one's duty to serve those who are entrusted to one by following Dharma, rightenousness. Duty is to support oneself, family and contribution to society by engaging in meaningful occupation and doing it in skillful ways, to the best of one's ability. Above all such karmas are done without doership, as an instrument, and accepting results whatever as God's Grace. This is described as Karma-Yog. WHile performing Karmas this way keep the flame of knowing truth of oneself burning by constantly saying " what am I, Lord, reveal Yourself " with lots of devotion(Bhakti). It is important not to answer the question " what am I? " with one's mind but to remain silent to hear the answer. The answer will come in a miraculous and in an unexpected way. It is said that to such an ardent Gyani-Bhakta, the Universe will conspire to unfold the mystery by giving intuitive understanding of oneself being the Self-Atman(Sat-Chit-ANanda) one is, an immortal, Being of all beings! THis is described as Gyan-Yoga! ........Namaskar....Pratap Bhatt --- primary objective of human being is to learn gita and to understand love of god then make others realize his love and to spread knowledge even our saints have done this and we shud follow the same sanket --- Objective: Tat Va Masi (you are that Bhraman - Athman not the body). Live a life of virtue. Do all acts Dharmic and expect no results. Everything on this earth does it` s duty not with any pride or claim. Plants give food, tree give sheltor friuts, animals give their flesh to non veg people, but the humans are ones they claim friuts even for their misdeeds. Understand this fact and live. B.Sathyanarayan --- Pranams. According to me, primary objective of human beings is to migrate to the state of no rebirth state by doing one's Karma with sincerity and utmost belief in God. All of you will agree that being born as a human being is the highest stage of all lives on this earth and one should therefore ensure that he goes to the next higher stage from this. G.Vaidyanathan. --- Namasthe this is my humble opinion for your question " what is the primary objective of human beings as per Gita? " What I feel is: To start with, it may be better idea to look into what is the primary objective of oneself ? based on your own understanding. Once we undertstand, " Who am I " and " why am i here " , " how am i here " ..and analyzing these questions and then, looking into the main aspect of Gita will help us pave the path as a starting step of enquiry (which is jignyasa). Once u understand that, then you will see the same divinity inside of you to be the same in each and every human being. In the simplest terms of Gita, you understand these below terms : 1) term " SURRENDER " to that GOD with your full heart and he will take care of you. (One of the verse states: Sarva dharman paritygya mamekam saranam vraja, aham tva sarva papebhyo,mokshya ikshyami mashuchaha). 2) Karma yoga: Do all your actions without expecting any fruits for your actions and you will feel peace and satisfaction and contentment in ur heart all the time. It is difficult but once you slowly practize, u will understand, it is wonderful. 3.)Meditation (6th chapter): U cotemplate on that supreme divine remembering him while sit in a comfortable posture and that will lead u to the path of starting step to understand oneself. Hope this helps. Bharathi --- karmanyevadhikaraste ma phaleshu kadacana......... sarvadharman parityajya memeva saranam vraja...... (Gita 18:66) Prabhakar C L - , " sadhak_insight " <sadhak_insight wrote: > > om kalanki namah > > i would happy to know the primary objective of human beings as per > Gita ! > > Nitin Bora > > - - > > FROM THE MODERATOR > > The following are the guidelines for Gita-Talk discussions. > > GITA TALK GROUP GUIDELINES: > 1. Purpose of the group is to help Sadhakas clarify their doubts > related to Gitaji shalokas. Therefore, responses which further > clarify the understanding of Gitaji, will only be posted. > 2. 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Guest guest Posted February 29, 2008 Report Share Posted February 29, 2008 Can you please explain why GOD wants each human being to attain Him ? Regards N.PANDA ----------------------------- , " sadhak_insight " <sadhak_insight wrote: > > Thanks for raising this topic. > > In the first 3 verses of 16th Chapter, GOD has mentioned the divine > traits. Divine traits means GOD's properties. So whoever has started > walking on th path of GOD realization, these divine traits naturally > occur in him. > > Then moving ahead GOD has explained in detail about the attitude and > mentality of those persons who posses demoniac traits. From 4th - > 19th verse this explanation continues. After mentioning these > demoniac traits, GOD say this following 20th verse in a state of > grief > " O Son of Kunti, cast into demoniac wombs, birth after birth, these > deluded ones, without ever attaining Me, fall into still baser state > viz., foulest of hells. " > > Without ever attaining Me - This indicates that GOD wants each human > being to attain him. If only a person with divine traits was > entitled for GOD realization then why would have GOD mentioned these > words while mentioning demoniac traits? It is so because we have got > this human body for GOD realization. > So this is the primary objective of human beings according to Gita. > > > Bye, > Varun Paprunia > > - -- > Priy, > As per Gitaji primary objective of human being is to Attain God,or > say Experience God, or say Realize own self that what I am. > Hope it helps, > Raja Gurdasani > > - -- > Dear Sadhakas, Namaste! > Primary objective of Human beings is: > To unfold the mystery surrounding self(Jiva), > world(Jagat) and God(Jagdish)! > In Gita this is taught in a very practical manner. > Start with your self. Based on place, time, and > circumstances one finds oneself in, do one's duty to > serve those who are entrusted to one by following > Dharma, rightenousness. Duty is to support oneself, > family and contribution to society by engaging in > meaningful occupation and doing it in skillful ways, > to the best of one's ability. Above all such karmas > are done without doership, as an instrument, and > accepting results whatever as God's Grace. This is > described as Karma-Yog. > WHile performing Karmas this way keep the flame of > knowing truth of oneself burning by constantly saying > " what am I, Lord, reveal Yourself " with lots of > devotion(Bhakti). It is important not to answer the > question " what am I? " with one's mind but to remain > silent to hear the answer. > The answer will come in a miraculous and in an > unexpected way. It is said that to such an ardent > Gyani-Bhakta, the Universe will conspire to unfold the > mystery by giving intuitive understanding of oneself > being the Self-Atman(Sat-Chit-ANanda) one is, an > immortal, Being of all beings! THis is described as > Gyan-Yoga! ........Namaskar....Pratap Bhatt > > - -- > > primary objective of human being is to learn gita and to understand > love of god then make others realize his love and to spread knowledge > even our saints have done this and we shud follow the same > > sanket > > - -- > > Objective: Tat Va Masi (you are that Bhraman - Athman not the body). > Live a life of virtue. Do all acts Dharmic and expect no results. > Everything on this earth does it` s duty not with any pride or > claim. Plants give food, tree give sheltor friuts, animals give > their flesh to non veg people, but the humans are ones they claim > friuts even for their misdeeds. Understand this fact and live. > B.Sathyanarayan > > - -- > > > Pranams. According to me, primary objective of human beings is to > migrate to the state of no rebirth state by doing one's Karma with > sincerity and utmost belief in God. All of you will agree that > being born as a human being is the highest stage of all lives on > this earth and one should therefore ensure that he goes to the next > higher stage from this. G.Vaidyanathan. > > - -- > Namasthe this is my humble opinion for your question " what is the > primary objective of human beings as per Gita? " > > What I feel is: To start with, it may be better idea to look into > what is the primary objective of oneself ? based on your own > understanding. Once we undertstand, " Who am I " and " why am i > here " , " how am i here " ..and analyzing these questions and then, > looking into the main aspect of Gita will help us pave the path as a > starting step of enquiry (which is jignyasa). Once u understand > that, then you will see the same divinity inside of you to be the > same in each and every human being. > > In the simplest terms of Gita, you understand these below terms : > > 1) term " SURRENDER " to that GOD with your full heart and he will > take care of you. (One of the verse states: Sarva dharman paritygya > mamekam saranam vraja, aham tva sarva papebhyo,mokshya ikshyami > mashuchaha). > > 2) Karma yoga: Do all your actions without expecting any fruits for > your actions and you will feel peace and satisfaction and > contentment in ur heart all the time. It is difficult but once you > slowly practize, u will understand, it is wonderful. > > 3.)Meditation (6th chapter): U cotemplate on that supreme divine > remembering him while sit in a comfortable posture and that will > lead u to the path of starting step to understand oneself. > > Hope this helps. > Bharathi > - -- > karmanyevadhikaraste ma phaleshu kadacana......... > > sarvadharman parityajya memeva saranam vraja...... (Gita 18:66) > > Prabhakar C L > - > > , " sadhak_insight " > <sadhak_insight@> wrote: > > > > om kalanki namah > > > > i would happy to know the primary objective of human beings as per > > Gita ! > > > > Nitin Bora > > > > -------------------------------- -- > - > > > > FROM THE MODERATOR > > > > The following are the guidelines for Gita-Talk discussions. > > > > GITA TALK GROUP GUIDELINES: > > 1. Purpose of the group is to help Sadhakas clarify their doubts > > related to Gitaji shalokas. Therefore, responses which further > > clarify the understanding of Gitaji, will only be posted. > > 2. Wherever possible, please quote Gitaji or other scriptures to > > substantiate your response. > > 3. Kindly limit personal feelings, opinions, beliefs etc. to the > > extent that they further help in understanding the Gita shlokas > > 4. Please be as concise and to the point as possible, respecting > > sadhaka's time. > > 5. Kindly focus your writing to the subject at hand only. > > 6. Please do not include links to the other sites or other > > organizations. > > 7. Kindly do not include your personal information such as phone > > number, address etc. > > 8. Please do not address the response to a particular individual > > since the message is going to the entire group. > > 9. Due to the large readership, all responses may not be posted. > > 10. Moderator at his discretion, may modify the posting, if > content > > is unclear or not appropriate for distribution to the group. > > 11. Please respond taking into consideration the novices, youth, > > westerners, non-sectarian audience. Kindly limit the use to > Sanskrit > > words only, rather provide the English word with Sanskrit > bracketed > > wherever possible. > > > > MODERATOR > > Ram Ram > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 1, 2008 Report Share Posted March 1, 2008 Loving Divine, Pranam. Good question. This is my understanding... The war explained between Pandavas and Kauravas is nothing but the inner battle/struggle going on between our own good and bad qualities, what is right and wrong, our higher and lower tendencies. This battle eventually leads us to inquire actually who am i ? This question creates subsequent enquiries - we with our ego sense ask the question and we with our pure sense answer these questions. During these struggles transformation starts - we adjust our karmas - selfless karmas or are focused on performing so called good karmas. We start getting peace of mind. This peace of mind opens up new doors for us to explore and we start finding out the new ourselves. As understanding increases we become more loving, as wisdom starts dawning we start coming closer to knowing - what I thought who I am is no longer true! The misconceptions start vanishing. Our own limitations start breaking their boundaries. Our own bondages result in freedom. All these happen within us only, i.e., mental act resulting in mental peace! Therefore Bhagwan says mind is your friend and mind is your foe. Upnishads have said that to remove a thorn use another thorn - lower mind under the control of higher mind. Mind & intelluct needs to be used to remove mind's own doubts. One uses their mind to expand itself to such a level where the same little mind becomes limitless cosmic mind. The initial understanding comes from our own inquiry, but due to our mind being bound in lot of boundaries imposed by us due to our own samskara, environment, culture, society, etc, we seek help of books, friends whom we consider wise or seek refuge of an able Guru. Our misconceptions start dissolving and we find our own self which is nothing but God (it is a name given to our pure being) or Brahman or Absolute Consciousness - whatever you want to call it. So it is not that God wants us to attain Him rather it is our own ignorant self wanting to know our true, pure, higher SELF! Afterall, who am I? Knowing THAT one is freed from bondages, worries, sorrows, pain, misery... From worldly perspective they are there but from inner most perspective for the one who has attained their higher SELF, they are not there. Please read Gitaji replacing Krishna = Our own Pure SELF. Arjuna = us the spiritual aspirants somewhat aware of our own good and bad tendencies and struggling (asking Krishna to take the chariot in the middle so that he can assess his good - Pandavas and bad - Kauravas qualities - what are the bad things that I have to win over with what good qualities I possess?). Gitaji = dialog between our deluded self Arjuna with the higher SELF Krishna trying to remove ignorance and reach to the state of complete knowledge. In Gitaji if Bhagwan says amongst Pandavas, I am Arjuna. The same is true for Arjuna to say that I am Krishna. Being not reaching the pure SELF Arjuna fails to perceive this so Krishna - Yogeshwar, continues to answer his questions until he reaches the final state of understanding. God's words in Gitaji are means to an end and not the end itself, it needs to be perceived. The perception of our Higher SELF comes only when the lower self has calmed down, the doubts raised by it has been resolved! Don't underestimate the other part of our lower self/tendencies - Kauravas, our bad habits are very strong, it is easy to slip into bad habits but very difficult to change them or cultivate good ones. That's why Kauravas have been portrayed as very strong - strength of 100 (10 gyanendriyas x 10 karmendriyas = running 100 directions with their vasanas-desires.) Summary: I = ego sense/ignorant being = doubt = enquiry (mind+intellect+memory activities) = transformation = selfless karma + enhanced understanding + love = peace of mind = inner understanding/awareness (our focus is now turned within to understand what's happening there instead of world - BG Chapter 1 where Dhrutrashtra - the king of this body kingdom - our mind now wants to see the battle with the help of Sanjay - drashta - the witness within) = acceptance of things AS IS = expansion of mind = means is reaching to become an end = knowledge of who I am (I am THAT who I am) = knowledge of what this world is (Thou Art THAT, Vasudevam servam, everything is God...) = knowledge of GOD and Pure/Absolute I are one and the same (aham brahmasmi)! If you carefully observe, it is mind's journey to higher mind (which can not be actually called mind any more as it has lost all of its characteristics. It has merged into cosmic mind, it has become limitless)...!!! Therefore Krishna being a Cosmic Mind can see everything being Him only - BG Chapter 10. Intellectual talking helps resolving doubts, yoga-meditation helps calming mind, selfless act helps bringing peace and joy, but again all of these are means to an end but not the end itself so Krishna as the Yogeshwar / Bhagwan / Supreme Conscious State keeps on providing Arjuna different means to conquer his lower mind so that he can become one with his higher SELF. If you keep on thinking and experimenting yourself, you will conclude the same thing as what Krishna told Arjuna. While reading Gitaji, compare your own state - it will surprise you! humble regards, always at Thy Divine Feet Manjula Patel -- Interesting question........ answer lies in contemplating on the questions - Who are we? or Who am I? and Who is God? Let it be a rigorous excercise till you get the answer not in words but in experience......... Sushil Jain --- Because You are God & God is You. But you have forgotten. Like your family member looses memory & can't recognise you, what pain you will suffer? Can you imagine the sufferings of God? His Patience? Raja Gurdasani. --- This is mu humble opinion. Based on ur question, try to enquire with ur own experience and knowledge and understanding of who is 'GOD' and then, u will understand that God does not want anything from human being or to attain Him. But, because to reach that extreme state of immense bliss, we hear people discuss or say things about need to go in the path of divinity to reach that divine/God. If we understand karma yoga(3rd chapter) in bhagavad gita ,God says..not to have expectations of any fruits of our actions at all..then why would God expect anything from us? Also, in ninth chapter(Gita: 9.16), there is verse which says : whatever u eat,whatever you do, whatever you bestow as a gift,whatever you do as a way of penance, office it all onto Supreme consciousness. Even here, God is saying to offer all of ourselves and our actions onto HIM, the reason being, once u offer everything onto Him, there is no expectation of any output of any acion..when that hapens, all our actions will be great and pure and there will be immense happiness in ones own being. But, since there are many types of personalities, there are as many paths to reach that happiness. Hence, many paths are described in Gita..so, some people follow karma yoga, some follow bhakthi yoga,..and in general, people talk about the phrase " attaining GOD " . This phrase means different things to different people and hence start your own inquiry and analysis. Once you are focused on any question in ur heart, try to pursue it and remember to get the answer from your own heart. Yes, God will definitely make you understand HIM by God's Grace Himself. Regards, Bharathi - , " sadhak_insight " <sadhak_insight wrote: > > Can you please explain why GOD wants each human being to attain > Him ? > Regards > N.PANDA > ----------------------------- > > > , " sadhak_insight " > <sadhak_insight@> wrote: > > > > Thanks for raising this topic. > > > > In the first 3 verses of 16th Chapter, GOD has mentioned the > divine > > traits. Divine traits means GOD's properties. So whoever has > started > > walking on th path of GOD realization, these divine traits > naturally > > occur in him. > > > > Then moving ahead GOD has explained in detail about the attitude > and > > mentality of those persons who posses demoniac traits. From 4th - > > 19th verse this explanation continues. After mentioning these > > demoniac traits, GOD say this following 20th verse in a state of > > grief > > " O Son of Kunti, cast into demoniac wombs, birth after birth, > these > > deluded ones, without ever attaining Me, fall into still baser > state > > viz., foulest of hells. " > > > > Without ever attaining Me - This indicates that GOD wants each > human > > being to attain him. If only a person with divine traits was > > entitled for GOD realization then why would have GOD mentioned > these > > words while mentioning demoniac traits? It is so because we have > got > > this human body for GOD realization. > > So this is the primary objective of human beings according to Gita. > > > > > > Bye, > > Varun Paprunia > > > > -------------------------------- -- > -- > > Priy, > > As per Gitaji primary objective of human being is to Attain God,or > > say Experience God, or say Realize own self that what I am. > > Hope it helps, > > Raja Gurdasani > > > > -------------------------------- -- > -- > > Dear Sadhakas, Namaste! > > Primary objective of Human beings is: > > To unfold the mystery surrounding self(Jiva), > > world(Jagat) and God(Jagdish)! > > In Gita this is taught in a very practical manner. > > Start with your self. Based on place, time, and > > circumstances one finds oneself in, do one's duty to > > serve those who are entrusted to one by following > > Dharma, rightenousness. Duty is to support oneself, > > family and contribution to society by engaging in > > meaningful occupation and doing it in skillful ways, > > to the best of one's ability. Above all such karmas > > are done without doership, as an instrument, and > > accepting results whatever as God's Grace. This is > > described as Karma-Yog. > > WHile performing Karmas this way keep the flame of > > knowing truth of oneself burning by constantly saying > > " what am I, Lord, reveal Yourself " with lots of > > devotion(Bhakti). It is important not to answer the > > question " what am I? " with one's mind but to remain > > silent to hear the answer. > > The answer will come in a miraculous and in an > > unexpected way. It is said that to such an ardent > > Gyani-Bhakta, the Universe will conspire to unfold the > > mystery by giving intuitive understanding of oneself > > being the Self-Atman(Sat-Chit-ANanda) one is, an > > immortal, Being of all beings! THis is described as > > Gyan-Yoga! ........Namaskar....Pratap Bhatt > > > > -------------------------------- -- > -- > > > > primary objective of human being is to learn gita and to understand > > love of god then make others realize his love and to spread > knowledge > > even our saints have done this and we shud follow the same > > > > sanket > > > > -------------------------------- -- > -- > > > > Objective: Tat Va Masi (you are that Bhraman - Athman not the > body). > > Live a life of virtue. Do all acts Dharmic and expect no results. > > Everything on this earth does it` s duty not with any pride or > > claim. Plants give food, tree give sheltor friuts, animals give > > their flesh to non veg people, but the humans are ones they claim > > friuts even for their misdeeds. Understand this fact and live. > > B.Sathyanarayan > > > > -------------------------------- -- > -- > > > > > > Pranams. According to me, primary objective of human beings is to > > migrate to the state of no rebirth state by doing one's Karma with > > sincerity and utmost belief in God. All of you will agree that > > being born as a human being is the highest stage of all lives on > > this earth and one should therefore ensure that he goes to the > next > > higher stage from this. G.Vaidyanathan. > > > > -------------------------------- -- > -- > > Namasthe this is my humble opinion for your question " what is the > > primary objective of human beings as per Gita? " > > > > What I feel is: To start with, it may be better idea to look into > > what is the primary objective of oneself ? based on your own > > understanding. Once we undertstand, " Who am I " and " why am i > > here " , " how am i here " ..and analyzing these questions and then, > > looking into the main aspect of Gita will help us pave the path as > a > > starting step of enquiry (which is jignyasa). Once u understand > > that, then you will see the same divinity inside of you to be the > > same in each and every human being. > > > > In the simplest terms of Gita, you understand these below terms : > > > > 1) term " SURRENDER " to that GOD with your full heart and he will > > take care of you. (One of the verse states: Sarva dharman > paritygya > > mamekam saranam vraja, aham tva sarva papebhyo,mokshya ikshyami > > mashuchaha). > > > > 2) Karma yoga: Do all your actions without expecting any fruits > for > > your actions and you will feel peace and satisfaction and > > contentment in ur heart all the time. It is difficult but once you > > slowly practize, u will understand, it is wonderful. > > > > 3.)Meditation (6th chapter): U cotemplate on that supreme divine > > remembering him while sit in a comfortable posture and that will > > lead u to the path of starting step to understand oneself. > > > > Hope this helps. > > Bharathi > > -------------------------------- -- > -- > > karmanyevadhikaraste ma phaleshu kadacana......... > > > > sarvadharman parityajya memeva saranam vraja...... (Gita 18:66) > > > > Prabhakar C L > > -------------------------------- -- > > > > , " sadhak_insight " > > <sadhak_insight@> wrote: > > > > > > om kalanki namah > > > > > > i would happy to know the primary objective of human beings as > per > > > Gita ! > > > > > > Nitin Bora > > > > > > ------------------------------ -- > -- > > - > > > > > > FROM THE MODERATOR > > > > > > The following are the guidelines for Gita-Talk discussions. > > > > > > GITA TALK GROUP GUIDELINES: > > > 1. Purpose of the group is to help Sadhakas clarify their doubts > > > related to Gitaji shalokas. Therefore, responses which further > > > clarify the understanding of Gitaji, will only be posted. > > > 2. Wherever possible, please quote Gitaji or other scriptures to > > > substantiate your response. > > > 3. Kindly limit personal feelings, opinions, beliefs etc. to the > > > extent that they further help in understanding the Gita shlokas > > > 4. Please be as concise and to the point as possible, respecting > > > sadhaka's time. > > > 5. Kindly focus your writing to the subject at hand only. > > > 6. Please do not include links to the other sites or other > > > organizations. > > > 7. Kindly do not include your personal information such as phone > > > number, address etc. > > > 8. Please do not address the response to a particular individual > > > since the message is going to the entire group. > > > 9. Due to the large readership, all responses may not be posted. > > > 10. Moderator at his discretion, may modify the posting, if > > content > > > is unclear or not appropriate for distribution to the group. > > > 11. Please respond taking into consideration the novices, youth, > > > westerners, non-sectarian audience. Kindly limit the use to > > Sanskrit > > > words only, rather provide the English word with Sanskrit > > bracketed > > > wherever possible. > > > > > > MODERATOR > > > Ram Ram > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 16, 2008 Report Share Posted March 16, 2008 dear divine souls, my humble parnaams! The World is called Leela of God. (a Divine play) O Amritsaya Putrah. You are Son Of God, with inherent Qualities of God only. But at present, you have descended in to the Lower, under the clutches of Ignorance. (Maya) So The Play is TO FIND OUT Who you really Are? The World is Nothing but a Play, so Know THYSELF ! AND Enjoy your Immortality. my sincere regards.. kuldip suri -------------------------- , " sadhak_insight " <sadhak_insight wrote: > > Loving Divine, > Pranam. Good question. This is my understanding... > > The war explained between Pandavas and Kauravas is nothing but the > inner battle/struggle going on between our own good and bad > qualities, what is right and wrong, our higher and lower > tendencies. This battle eventually leads us to inquire actually who > am i ? This question creates subsequent enquiries - we with our ego > sense ask the question and we with our pure sense answer these > questions. During these struggles transformation starts - we adjust > our karmas - selfless karmas or are focused on performing so called > good karmas. We start getting peace of mind. This peace of mind > opens up new doors for us to explore and we start finding out the > new ourselves. As understanding increases we become more loving, as > wisdom starts dawning we start coming closer to knowing - what I > thought who I am is no longer true! The misconceptions start > vanishing. Our own limitations start breaking their boundaries. > Our own bondages result in freedom. All these happen within us > only, i.e., mental act resulting in mental peace! Therefore Bhagwan > says mind is your friend and mind is your foe. Upnishads have said > that to remove a thorn use another thorn - lower mind under the > control of higher mind. Mind & intelluct needs to be used to remove > mind's own doubts. One uses their mind to expand itself to such a > level where the same little mind becomes limitless cosmic mind. The > initial understanding comes from our own inquiry, but due to our > mind being bound in lot of boundaries imposed by us due to our own > samskara, environment, culture, society, etc, we seek help of books, > friends whom we consider wise or seek refuge of an able Guru. Our > misconceptions start dissolving and we find our own self which is > nothing but God (it is a name given to our pure being) or Brahman or > Absolute Consciousness - whatever you want to call it. So it is not > that God wants us to attain Him rather it is our own ignorant self > wanting to know our true, pure, higher SELF! Afterall, who am I? > Knowing THAT one is freed from bondages, worries, sorrows, pain, > misery... From worldly perspective they are there but from inner > most perspective for the one who has attained their higher SELF, > they are not there. > > Please read Gitaji replacing Krishna = Our own Pure SELF. Arjuna = > us the spiritual aspirants somewhat aware of our own good and bad > tendencies and struggling (asking Krishna to take the chariot in > the middle so that he can assess his good - Pandavas and bad - > Kauravas qualities - what are the bad things that I have to win over > with what good qualities I possess?). Gitaji = dialog between our > deluded self Arjuna with the higher SELF Krishna trying to remove > ignorance and reach to the state of complete knowledge. In Gitaji > if Bhagwan says amongst Pandavas, I am Arjuna. The same is true for > Arjuna to say that I am Krishna. Being not reaching the pure SELF > Arjuna fails to perceive this so Krishna - Yogeshwar, continues to > answer his questions until he reaches the final state of > understanding. God's words in Gitaji are means to an end and not > the end itself, it needs to be perceived. The perception of our > Higher SELF comes only when the lower self has calmed down, the doubts raised by it has been resolved! Don't underestimate the other part of our lower self/tendencies - Kauravas, our bad habits are very strong, it is easy to slip into bad habits but very difficult to change them or cultivate good ones. That's why Kauravas have been portrayed as very strong - strength of 100 (10 gyanendriyas x 10 karmendriyas = running 100 directions with their vasanas-desires.) > > Summary: I = ego sense/ignorant being = doubt = enquiry > (mind+intellect+memory activities) = transformation = selfless karma > + enhanced understanding + love = peace of mind = inner > understanding/awareness (our focus is now turned within to > understand what's happening there instead of world - BG Chapter 1 > where Dhrutrashtra - the king of this body kingdom - our mind now > wants to see the battle with the help of Sanjay - drashta - the > witness within) = acceptance of things AS IS = expansion of mind = > means is reaching to become an end = knowledge of who I am (I am > THAT who I am) = knowledge of what this world is (Thou Art THAT, > Vasudevam servam, everything is God...) = knowledge of GOD and > Pure/Absolute I are one and the same (aham brahmasmi)! > > If you carefully observe, it is mind's journey to higher mind (which > can not be actually called mind any more as it has lost all of its > characteristics. It has merged into cosmic mind, it has become > limitless)...!!! Therefore Krishna being a Cosmic Mind can see > everything being Him only - BG Chapter 10. > > Intellectual talking helps resolving doubts, yoga-meditation helps > calming mind, selfless act helps bringing peace and joy, but again > all of these are means to an end but not the end itself so Krishna > as the Yogeshwar / Bhagwan / Supreme Conscious State keeps on > providing Arjuna different means to conquer his lower mind so that > he can become one with his higher SELF. If you keep on thinking and > experimenting yourself, you will conclude the same thing as what > Krishna told Arjuna. While reading Gitaji, compare your own state - > it will surprise you! > > humble regards, > always at Thy Divine Feet > > Manjula Patel > -- > Interesting question........ > > answer lies in contemplating on the questions - > Who are we? or Who am I? and Who is God? > > Let it be a rigorous excercise till you get the answer > not in words but in experience......... > > Sushil Jain > -- - > Because You are God & God is You. But you have forgotten. Like your > family member looses memory & can't recognise you, what pain you > will suffer? Can you imagine the sufferings of God? His Patience? > > Raja Gurdasani. > > -- - > > This is mu humble opinion. Based on ur question, try to enquire > with ur own experience and knowledge and understanding of who > is 'GOD' and then, u will understand that God does not want anything > from human being or to attain Him. > > But, because to reach that extreme state of immense bliss, we hear > people discuss or say things about need to go in the path of > divinity to reach that divine/God. > > If we understand karma yoga(3rd chapter) in bhagavad gita ,God > says..not to have expectations of any fruits of our actions at > all..then why would God expect anything from us? > > Also, in ninth chapter(Gita: 9.16), there is verse which says : > whatever u eat,whatever you do, whatever you bestow as a > gift,whatever you do as a way of penance, office it all onto Supreme > consciousness. Even here, God is saying to offer all of ourselves > and our actions onto HIM, the reason being, once u offer everything > onto Him, there is no expectation of any output of any acion..when > that hapens, all our actions will be great and pure and there will > be immense happiness in ones own being. But, since there are many > types of personalities, there are as many paths to reach that > happiness. Hence, many paths are described in Gita..so, some people > follow karma yoga, some follow bhakthi yoga,..and in general, people > talk about the phrase " attaining GOD " . This phrase means different > things to different people and hence start your own inquiry and > analysis. Once you are focused on any question in ur heart, try to > pursue it and remember to get the answer from your own heart. Yes, > God will definitely make you understand HIM by God's Grace Himself. > > Regards, > Bharathi > - > , " sadhak_insight " > <sadhak_insight@> wrote: > > > > Can you please explain why GOD wants each human being to attain > > Him ? > > Regards > > N.PANDA > > ----------------------------- > > > > > > , " sadhak_insight " > > <sadhak_insight@> wrote: > > > > > > Thanks for raising this topic. > > > > > > In the first 3 verses of 16th Chapter, GOD has mentioned the > > divine > > > traits. Divine traits means GOD's properties. So whoever has > > started > > > walking on th path of GOD realization, these divine traits > > naturally > > > occur in him. > > > > > > Then moving ahead GOD has explained in detail about the attitude > > and > > > mentality of those persons who posses demoniac traits. From 4th - > > > > 19th verse this explanation continues. After mentioning these > > > demoniac traits, GOD say this following 20th verse in a state of > > > grief > > > " O Son of Kunti, cast into demoniac wombs, birth after birth, > > these > > > deluded ones, without ever attaining Me, fall into still baser > > state > > > viz., foulest of hells. " > > > > > > Without ever attaining Me - This indicates that GOD wants each > > human > > > being to attain him. If only a person with divine traits was > > > entitled for GOD realization then why would have GOD mentioned > > these > > > words while mentioning demoniac traits? It is so because we have > > got > > > this human body for GOD realization. > > > So this is the primary objective of human beings according to > Gita. > > > > > > > > > Bye, > > > Varun Paprunia > > > > > > ------------------------------- - > -- > > -- > > > Priy, > > > As per Gitaji primary objective of human being is to Attain > God,or > > > say Experience God, or say Realize own self that what I am. > > > Hope it helps, > > > Raja Gurdasani > > > > > > ------------------------------- - > -- > > -- > > > Dear Sadhakas, Namaste! > > > Primary objective of Human beings is: > > > To unfold the mystery surrounding self(Jiva), > > > world(Jagat) and God(Jagdish)! > > > In Gita this is taught in a very practical manner. > > > Start with your self. Based on place, time, and > > > circumstances one finds oneself in, do one's duty to > > > serve those who are entrusted to one by following > > > Dharma, rightenousness. Duty is to support oneself, > > > family and contribution to society by engaging in > > > meaningful occupation and doing it in skillful ways, > > > to the best of one's ability. Above all such karmas > > > are done without doership, as an instrument, and > > > accepting results whatever as God's Grace. This is > > > described as Karma-Yog. > > > WHile performing Karmas this way keep the flame of > > > knowing truth of oneself burning by constantly saying > > > " what am I, Lord, reveal Yourself " with lots of > > > devotion(Bhakti). It is important not to answer the > > > question " what am I? " with one's mind but to remain > > > silent to hear the answer. > > > The answer will come in a miraculous and in an > > > unexpected way. It is said that to such an ardent > > > Gyani-Bhakta, the Universe will conspire to unfold the > > > mystery by giving intuitive understanding of oneself > > > being the Self-Atman(Sat-Chit-ANanda) one is, an > > > immortal, Being of all beings! THis is described as > > > Gyan-Yoga! ........Namaskar....Pratap Bhatt > > > > > > ------------------------------- - > -- > > -- > > > > > > primary objective of human being is to learn gita and to > understand > > > love of god then make others realize his love and to spread > > knowledge > > > even our saints have done this and we shud follow the same > > > > > > sanket > > > > > > ------------------------------- - > -- > > -- > > > > > > Objective: Tat Va Masi (you are that Bhraman - Athman not the > > body). > > > Live a life of virtue. Do all acts Dharmic and expect no > results. > > > Everything on this earth does it` s duty not with any pride or > > > claim. Plants give food, tree give sheltor friuts, animals give > > > their flesh to non veg people, but the humans are ones they > claim > > > friuts even for their misdeeds. Understand this fact and live. > > > B.Sathyanarayan > > > > > > ------------------------------- - > -- > > -- > > > > > > > > > Pranams. According to me, primary objective of human beings is > to > > > migrate to the state of no rebirth state by doing one's Karma > with > > > sincerity and utmost belief in God. All of you will agree that > > > being born as a human being is the highest stage of all lives > on > > > this earth and one should therefore ensure that he goes to the > > next > > > higher stage from this. G.Vaidyanathan. > > > > > > ------------------------------- - > -- > > -- > > > Namasthe this is my humble opinion for your question " what is > the > > > primary objective of human beings as per Gita? " > > > > > > What I feel is: To start with, it may be better idea to look > into > > > what is the primary objective of oneself ? based on your own > > > understanding. Once we undertstand, " Who am I " and " why am i > > > here " , " how am i here " ..and analyzing these questions and then, > > > looking into the main aspect of Gita will help us pave the path > as > > a > > > starting step of enquiry (which is jignyasa). Once u understand > > > that, then you will see the same divinity inside of you to be > the > > > same in each and every human being. > > > > > > In the simplest terms of Gita, you understand these below terms : > > > > > > 1) term " SURRENDER " to that GOD with your full heart and he will > > > take care of you. (One of the verse states: Sarva dharman > > paritygya > > > mamekam saranam vraja, aham tva sarva papebhyo,mokshya ikshyami > > > mashuchaha). > > > > > > 2) Karma yoga: Do all your actions without expecting any fruits > > for > > > your actions and you will feel peace and satisfaction and > > > contentment in ur heart all the time. It is difficult but once > you > > > slowly practize, u will understand, it is wonderful. > > > > > > 3.)Meditation (6th chapter): U cotemplate on that supreme divine > > > remembering him while sit in a comfortable posture and that will > > > lead u to the path of starting step to understand oneself. > > > > > > Hope this helps. > > > Bharathi > > > ------------------------------- - > -- > > -- > > > karmanyevadhikaraste ma phaleshu kadacana......... > > > > > > sarvadharman parityajya memeva saranam vraja...... (Gita 18:66) > > > > > > Prabhakar C L > > > ------------------------------- - > -- > > > > > > , " sadhak_insight " > > > <sadhak_insight@> wrote: > > > > > > > > om kalanki namah > > > > > > > > i would happy to know the primary objective of human beings as > > per > > > > Gita ! > > > > > > > > Nitin Bora > > > > > > > > ----------------------------- - > -- > > -- > > > - > > > > > > > > FROM THE MODERATOR > > > > > > > > The following are the guidelines for Gita-Talk discussions. > > > > > > > > GITA TALK GROUP GUIDELINES: > > > > 1. Purpose of the group is to help Sadhakas clarify their > doubts > > > > related to Gitaji shalokas. Therefore, responses which further > > > > clarify the understanding of Gitaji, will only be posted. > > > > 2. Wherever possible, please quote Gitaji or other scriptures > to > > > > substantiate your response. > > > > 3. 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Guest guest Posted April 27, 2008 Report Share Posted April 27, 2008 Sir, Of what use are disputes such as - The world is real, no, it is a mirage. It is conscious energy, No. it is matter, it is happiness, no, it is sorrow??? Abidance in the exalted state where neither the Ego nor the world exists, is acceptable TO ALL. homma - , " sadhak_insight " <sadhak_insight wrote: > > dear divine souls, > my humble parnaams! > The World is called Leela of God. (a Divine play) > O Amritsaya Putrah. You are Son Of God, with inherent Qualities of God only. But at present, you have descended in to the Lower, under the clutches of Ignorance. (Maya) > So The Play is TO FIND OUT Who you really Are? > The World is Nothing but a Play, so Know THYSELF ! AND Enjoy your Immortality. > > my sincere regards.. > kuldip suri > -------------------------- > > > , " sadhak_insight " > <sadhak_insight@> wrote: > > > > Loving Divine, > > Pranam. Good question. This is my understanding... > > > > The war explained between Pandavas and Kauravas is nothing but the > > inner battle/struggle going on between our own good and bad > > qualities, what is right and wrong, our higher and lower > > tendencies. This battle eventually leads us to inquire actually who > > am i ? This question creates subsequent enquiries - we with our ego > > sense ask the question and we with our pure sense answer these > > questions. During these struggles transformation starts - we adjust > > our karmas - selfless karmas or are focused on performing so called > > good karmas. We start getting peace of mind. This peace of mind > > opens up new doors for us to explore and we start finding out the > > new ourselves. As understanding increases we become more loving, as > > wisdom starts dawning we start coming closer to knowing - what I > > thought who I am is no longer true! The misconceptions start > > vanishing. Our own limitations start breaking their boundaries. > > Our own bondages result in freedom. All these happen within us > > only, i.e., mental act resulting in mental peace! Therefore Bhagwan > > says mind is your friend and mind is your foe. Upnishads have said > > that to remove a thorn use another thorn - lower mind under the > > control of higher mind. Mind & intelluct needs to be used to remove > > mind's own doubts. One uses their mind to expand itself to such a > > level where the same little mind becomes limitless cosmic mind. The > > initial understanding comes from our own inquiry, but due to our > > mind being bound in lot of boundaries imposed by us due to our own > > samskara, environment, culture, society, etc, we seek help of books, > > friends whom we consider wise or seek refuge of an able Guru. Our > > misconceptions start dissolving and we find our own self which is > > nothing but God (it is a name given to our pure being) or Brahman or > > Absolute Consciousness - whatever you want to call it. So it is not > > that God wants us to attain Him rather it is our own ignorant self > > wanting to know our true, pure, higher SELF! Afterall, who am I? > > Knowing THAT one is freed from bondages, worries, sorrows, pain, > > misery... From worldly perspective they are there but from inner > > most perspective for the one who has attained their higher SELF, > > they are not there. > > > > Please read Gitaji replacing Krishna = Our own Pure SELF. Arjuna = > > us the spiritual aspirants somewhat aware of our own good and bad > > tendencies and struggling (asking Krishna to take the chariot in > > the middle so that he can assess his good - Pandavas and bad - > > Kauravas qualities - what are the bad things that I have to win over > > with what good qualities I possess?). Gitaji = dialog between our > > deluded self Arjuna with the higher SELF Krishna trying to remove > > ignorance and reach to the state of complete knowledge. In Gitaji > > if Bhagwan says amongst Pandavas, I am Arjuna. The same is true for > > Arjuna to say that I am Krishna. Being not reaching the pure SELF > > Arjuna fails to perceive this so Krishna - Yogeshwar, continues to > > answer his questions until he reaches the final state of > > understanding. God's words in Gitaji are means to an end and not > > the end itself, it needs to be perceived. The perception of our > > Higher SELF comes only when the lower self has calmed down, the > doubts raised by it has been resolved! Don't underestimate the other > part of our lower self/tendencies - Kauravas, our bad habits are very > strong, it is easy to slip into bad habits but very difficult to > change them or cultivate good ones. That's why Kauravas have been > portrayed as very strong - strength of 100 (10 gyanendriyas x 10 > karmendriyas = running 100 directions with their vasanas-desires.) > > > > Summary: I = ego sense/ignorant being = doubt = enquiry > > (mind+intellect+memory activities) = transformation = selfless karma > > + enhanced understanding + love = peace of mind = inner > > understanding/awareness (our focus is now turned within to > > understand what's happening there instead of world - BG Chapter 1 > > where Dhrutrashtra - the king of this body kingdom - our mind now > > wants to see the battle with the help of Sanjay - drashta - the > > witness within) = acceptance of things AS IS = expansion of mind = > > means is reaching to become an end = knowledge of who I am (I am > > THAT who I am) = knowledge of what this world is (Thou Art THAT, > > Vasudevam servam, everything is God...) = knowledge of GOD and > > Pure/Absolute I are one and the same (aham brahmasmi)! > > > > If you carefully observe, it is mind's journey to higher mind (which > > can not be actually called mind any more as it has lost all of its > > characteristics. It has merged into cosmic mind, it has become > > limitless)...!!! Therefore Krishna being a Cosmic Mind can see > > everything being Him only - BG Chapter 10. > > > > Intellectual talking helps resolving doubts, yoga-meditation helps > > calming mind, selfless act helps bringing peace and joy, but again > > all of these are means to an end but not the end itself so Krishna > > as the Yogeshwar / Bhagwan / Supreme Conscious State keeps on > > providing Arjuna different means to conquer his lower mind so that > > he can become one with his higher SELF. If you keep on thinking and > > experimenting yourself, you will conclude the same thing as what > > Krishna told Arjuna. While reading Gitaji, compare your own state - > > it will surprise you! > > > > humble regards, > > always at Thy Divine Feet > > > > Manjula Patel > > -------------------------------- --- > > Interesting question........ > > > > answer lies in contemplating on the questions - > > Who are we? or Who am I? and Who is God? > > > > Let it be a rigorous excercise till you get the answer > > not in words but in experience......... > > > > Sushil Jain > > -------------------------------- --- > - > > Because You are God & God is You. But you have forgotten. Like your > > family member looses memory & can't recognise you, what pain you > > will suffer? Can you imagine the sufferings of God? His Patience? > > > > Raja Gurdasani. > > > > -------------------------------- --- > - > > > > This is mu humble opinion. Based on ur question, try to enquire > > with ur own experience and knowledge and understanding of who > > is 'GOD' and then, u will understand that God does not want anything > > from human being or to attain Him. > > > > But, because to reach that extreme state of immense bliss, we hear > > people discuss or say things about need to go in the path of > > divinity to reach that divine/God. > > > > If we understand karma yoga(3rd chapter) in bhagavad gita ,God > > says..not to have expectations of any fruits of our actions at > > all..then why would God expect anything from us? > > > > Also, in ninth chapter(Gita: 9.16), there is verse which says : > > whatever u eat,whatever you do, whatever you bestow as a > > gift,whatever you do as a way of penance, office it all onto Supreme > > consciousness. Even here, God is saying to offer all of ourselves > > and our actions onto HIM, the reason being, once u offer everything > > onto Him, there is no expectation of any output of any acion..when > > that hapens, all our actions will be great and pure and there will > > be immense happiness in ones own being. But, since there are many > > types of personalities, there are as many paths to reach that > > happiness. Hence, many paths are described in Gita..so, some people > > follow karma yoga, some follow bhakthi yoga,..and in general, people > > talk about the phrase " attaining GOD " . This phrase means different > > things to different people and hence start your own inquiry and > > analysis. Once you are focused on any question in ur heart, try to > > pursue it and remember to get the answer from your own heart. Yes, > > God will definitely make you understand HIM by God's Grace Himself. > > > > Regards, > > Bharathi > > -------------------------------- -- > > , " sadhak_insight " > > <sadhak_insight@> wrote: > > > > > > Can you please explain why GOD wants each human being to attain > > > Him ? > > > Regards > > > N.PANDA > > > ----------------------------- > > > > > > > > > , " sadhak_insight " > > > <sadhak_insight@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Thanks for raising this topic. > > > > > > > > In the first 3 verses of 16th Chapter, GOD has mentioned the > > > divine > > > > traits. Divine traits means GOD's properties. So whoever has > > > started > > > > walking on th path of GOD realization, these divine traits > > > naturally > > > > occur in him. > > > > > > > > Then moving ahead GOD has explained in detail about the attitude > > > and > > > > mentality of those persons who posses demoniac traits. From > 4th - > > > > > > 19th verse this explanation continues. After mentioning these > > > > demoniac traits, GOD say this following 20th verse in a state of > > > > grief > > > > " O Son of Kunti, cast into demoniac wombs, birth after birth, > > > these > > > > deluded ones, without ever attaining Me, fall into still baser > > > state > > > > viz., foulest of hells. " > > > > > > > > Without ever attaining Me - This indicates that GOD wants each > > > human > > > > being to attain him. If only a person with divine traits was > > > > entitled for GOD realization then why would have GOD mentioned > > > these > > > > words while mentioning demoniac traits? It is so because we have > > > got > > > > this human body for GOD realization. > > > > So this is the primary objective of human beings according to > > Gita. > > > > > > > > > > > > Bye, > > > > Varun Paprunia > > > > > > > > ---------------------------- --- > - > > -- > > > -- > > > > Priy, > > > > As per Gitaji primary objective of human being is to Attain > > God,or > > > > say Experience God, or say Realize own self that what I am. > > > > Hope it helps, > > > > Raja Gurdasani > > > > > > > > ---------------------------- --- > - > > -- > > > -- > > > > Dear Sadhakas, Namaste! > > > > Primary objective of Human beings is: > > > > To unfold the mystery surrounding self(Jiva), > > > > world(Jagat) and God(Jagdish)! > > > > In Gita this is taught in a very practical manner. > > > > Start with your self. Based on place, time, and > > > > circumstances one finds oneself in, do one's duty to > > > > serve those who are entrusted to one by following > > > > Dharma, rightenousness. Duty is to support oneself, > > > > family and contribution to society by engaging in > > > > meaningful occupation and doing it in skillful ways, > > > > to the best of one's ability. Above all such karmas > > > > are done without doership, as an instrument, and > > > > accepting results whatever as God's Grace. This is > > > > described as Karma-Yog. > > > > WHile performing Karmas this way keep the flame of > > > > knowing truth of oneself burning by constantly saying > > > > " what am I, Lord, reveal Yourself " with lots of > > > > devotion(Bhakti). It is important not to answer the > > > > question " what am I? " with one's mind but to remain > > > > silent to hear the answer. > > > > The answer will come in a miraculous and in an > > > > unexpected way. It is said that to such an ardent > > > > Gyani-Bhakta, the Universe will conspire to unfold the > > > > mystery by giving intuitive understanding of oneself > > > > being the Self-Atman(Sat-Chit-ANanda) one is, an > > > > immortal, Being of all beings! THis is described as > > > > Gyan-Yoga! ........Namaskar....Pratap Bhatt > > > > > > > > ---------------------------- --- > - > > -- > > > -- > > > > > > > > primary objective of human being is to learn gita and to > > understand > > > > love of god then make others realize his love and to spread > > > knowledge > > > > even our saints have done this and we shud follow the same > > > > > > > > sanket > > > > > > > > ---------------------------- --- > - > > -- > > > -- > > > > > > > > Objective: Tat Va Masi (you are that Bhraman - Athman not the > > > body). > > > > Live a life of virtue. Do all acts Dharmic and expect no > > results. > > > > Everything on this earth does it` s duty not with any pride or > > > > claim. Plants give food, tree give sheltor friuts, animals give > > > > their flesh to non veg people, but the humans are ones they > > claim > > > > friuts even for their misdeeds. Understand this fact and live. > > > > B.Sathyanarayan > > > > > > > > ---------------------------- --- > - > > -- > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > > > Pranams. According to me, primary objective of human beings is > > to > > > > migrate to the state of no rebirth state by doing one's Karma > > with > > > > sincerity and utmost belief in God. All of you will agree that > > > > being born as a human being is the highest stage of all lives > > on > > > > this earth and one should therefore ensure that he goes to the > > > next > > > > higher stage from this. G.Vaidyanathan. > > > > > > > > ---------------------------- --- > - > > -- > > > -- > > > > Namasthe this is my humble opinion for your question " what is > > the > > > > primary objective of human beings as per Gita? " > > > > > > > > What I feel is: To start with, it may be better idea to look > > into > > > > what is the primary objective of oneself ? based on your own > > > > understanding. Once we undertstand, " Who am I " and " why am i > > > > here " , " how am i here " ..and analyzing these questions and then, > > > > looking into the main aspect of Gita will help us pave the path > > as > > > a > > > > starting step of enquiry (which is jignyasa). Once u understand > > > > that, then you will see the same divinity inside of you to be > > the > > > > same in each and every human being. > > > > > > > > In the simplest terms of Gita, you understand these below > terms : > > > > > > > > 1) term " SURRENDER " to that GOD with your full heart and he will > > > > take care of you. (One of the verse states: Sarva dharman > > > paritygya > > > > mamekam saranam vraja, aham tva sarva papebhyo,mokshya ikshyami > > > > mashuchaha). > > > > > > > > 2) Karma yoga: Do all your actions without expecting any fruits > > > for > > > > your actions and you will feel peace and satisfaction and > > > > contentment in ur heart all the time. It is difficult but once > > you > > > > slowly practize, u will understand, it is wonderful. > > > > > > > > 3.)Meditation (6th chapter): U cotemplate on that supreme divine > > > > remembering him while sit in a comfortable posture and that will > > > > lead u to the path of starting step to understand oneself. > > > > > > > > Hope this helps. > > > > Bharathi > > > > ---------------------------- --- > - > > -- > > > -- > > > > karmanyevadhikaraste ma phaleshu kadacana......... > > > > > > > > sarvadharman parityajya memeva saranam vraja...... (Gita 18:66) > > > > > > > > Prabhakar C L > > > > ---------------------------- --- > - > > -- > > > > > > > > , " sadhak_insight " > > > > <sadhak_insight@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > om kalanki namah > > > > > > > > > > i would happy to know the primary objective of human beings as > > > per > > > > > Gita ! > > > > > > > > > > Nitin Bora > > > > > > > > > > -------------------------- --- > - > > -- > > > -- > > > > - > > > > > > > > > > FROM THE MODERATOR > > > > > > > > > > The following are the guidelines for Gita-Talk discussions. > > > > > > > > > > GITA TALK GROUP GUIDELINES: > > > > > 1. Purpose of the group is to help Sadhakas clarify their > > doubts > > > > > related to Gitaji shalokas. Therefore, responses which further > > > > > clarify the understanding of Gitaji, will only be posted. > > > > > 2. Wherever possible, please quote Gitaji or other scriptures > > to > > > > > substantiate your response. > > > > > 3. Kindly limit personal feelings, opinions, beliefs etc. to > > the > > > > > extent that they further help in understanding the Gita > > shlokas > > > > > 4. Please be as concise and to the point as possible, > > respecting > > > > > sadhaka's time. > > > > > 5. Kindly focus your writing to the subject at hand only. > > > > > 6. Please do not include links to the other sites or other > > > > > organizations. > > > > > 7. Kindly do not include your personal information such as > > phone > > > > > number, address etc. > > > > > 8. Please do not address the response to a particular > > individual > > > > > since the message is going to the entire group. > > > > > 9. Due to the large readership, all responses may not be > > posted. > > > > > 10. Moderator at his discretion, may modify the posting, if > > > > content > > > > > is unclear or not appropriate for distribution to the group. > > > > > 11. Please respond taking into consideration the novices, > > youth, > > > > > westerners, non-sectarian audience. Kindly limit the use to > > > > Sanskrit > > > > > words only, rather provide the English word with Sanskrit > > > > bracketed > > > > > wherever possible. > > > > > > > > > > MODERATOR > > > > > Ram Ram > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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