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Dear MODERATOR,

 

Namaste!

 

I would like to request a discussion on a new topic, " PURPOSE OF

LIVING. " I am not sure if this topic has been discussed before. I

would really appreciate, if you can help me/us understand the answer

to this question.

 

Thanks.

Regards,

 

Darshan Goswami

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FROM THE MODERATOR

 

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Dear Sadhakas, Namaste!

The purpose of living is implicit in correct understanding of life!

It would seem that living in peace, harmony, love, joy, is intrinsic

to our nature.

If one is joyous, in peace, and loving, one would like to stay there

as much as possible. No one would say " let me be unhappy now, I am

bored being happy " . However, when one is in pain, unhappy, restless,

angry, etc then one would like to push them away as soon as they can

to be in happy state. This shows our true nature is that of being at

peace, happy, and in harmony with our environment.

SO the purpose is to live in this way, in line with what God intends

us to live.

All our pursuits are for being happy, be them for money, power,

fame, sex, religious following, or whatever one is running after.

One just doesn't know it and considers these pursuits as ends in

themselves. Soon he/she forgets the purpose of living and attributes

happiness in such objects. One gets attached to them, depending on

them for his/her happiness, and starts possessing them at all costs.

In this way one gets in conflict with others as each is doing the

same. This is the beginning of suffering. To realize one's true

nature being happiness itself, peace itself, harmony itself and thus

doesn't depend on objects is of utmost importance. One has to

discover the right address of peace and happiness as not being in

objects but within oneself.

One is complete as one naturally is made, lacking nothing. This

brings happiness in absence or in presence of objects. One lives

apparantly individually fulfilling one's role in life where he/she

is placed by God, doing selfless karmas, guided by dharma and

preparing for moksha. One lives this with full understanding that

one is not an individual but rather part of totality that works

through one's body-mind organism, an instrument to partake in Divine

celebration, Leela. THIS IS THE PURPOSE OF LIVING as I see it!

Namaskar...Pratap

(Pratap Bhatt)

----------------------------

My current opinion is life`s purpose is not `given`

 

Everyone has been given the power to exercise his choice to select

the purpose,and then work towards attaining it.Also as Gita says,You

donot have a right to attain the purpose.

 

At a deeper level,the values one selects to live by can be called a

purpose.Is this the Dharma?

 

Bhave.

(Prakash Bhave)

 

-----------------------------

Jai Sitaramjiki.

 

Reference the above topic for discussion, I request the following:-

 

It is a very important topic for discussion. However, can we please

first have the comments of SWAMI SHRI RAMSUKHDASJI as he must have

spoken on this subject in his life time. Dhanyavad.

 

Dhanyavad and Ram Ram.

 

Bhavdiy

 

SHER SINGH AGRAWAL

-----------------------------

Namaste,

The purpose of being on this earth, is to remove all VASANAS. But

while living and exhausting vasanas, we also keep adding some more

vasanas. This gives birth and death to several birth cycles

(jalmas). The choice is ours. By perfecting our devotion (Bakthi)

one can obtain the resolve (sankalpan) of God (Bagavan) to give us

mukthi (salvation).

B.Sathyanarayan

 

-------------------------------

Namaste

 

Is Atma which is present in all living beings is part of Parmatama

(God)

 

If yes then all living beings are connected with each other with

strongest possible link

 

Can we communicate with all living beings, other than man, with this

link

 

Regards

 

Ramesh Suri

---------------------------

, " sadhak_insight "

<sadhak_insight wrote:

>

> Dear MODERATOR,

>

> Namaste!

>

> I would like to request a discussion on a new topic, " PURPOSE OF

> LIVING. " I am not sure if this topic has been discussed before. I

> would really appreciate, if you can help me/us understand the

answer

> to this question.

>

> Thanks.

> Regards,

>

> Darshan Goswami

> ----------------------

>

> FROM THE MODERATOR

>

> The following are the guidelines for Gita-Talk discussions.

>

> GITA TALK GROUP GUIDELINES:

> 1. Purpose of the group is to help Sadhakas clarify their doubts

> related to Gitaji shalokas. Therefore, responses which further

> clarify the understanding of Gitaji, will only be posted.

> 2. Wherever possible, please quote Gitaji or other scriptures to

> substantiate your response.

> 3. Kindly limit personal feelings, opinions, beliefs etc. to the

> extent that they further help in understanding the Gita shlokas

> 4. Please be as concise and to the point as possible, respecting

> sadhaka's time.

> 5. Kindly focus your writing to the subject at hand only.

> 6. Please do not include links to the other sites or other

> organizations.

> 7. Kindly do not include your personal information such as phone

> number, address etc.

> 8. Please do not address the response to a particular individual

> since the message is going to the entire group.

> 9. Due to the large readership, all responses may not be posted.

> 10. Moderator at his discretion, may modify the posting, if

content

> is unclear or not appropriate for distribution to the group.

> 11. Please respond taking into consideration the novices, youth,

> westerners, non-sectarian audience. Kindly limit the use to

Sanskrit

> words only, rather provide the English word with Sanskrit

bracketed

> wherever possible.

>

> MODERATOR

> Ram Ram

>

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I request SWAMI SHRI RAMSUKHDASJI to comments and provide some

guidance so that we can generate more opnions and awareness on this

subject.

 

Thanks. Namaste.

 

Darshan Goswami

 

-----------------------------

 

Dear Sir,

 

I am a student of Gita. I am also a student of world history.

 

The Purpose of Living is a constant theme of the Perennial

Philosophy ie. Vedanta.

 

I have always been inspired by the thoughts of the Roman emperor

Marcus Aurelius who I believe was a true Vedantin in his approach to

the question " What is the purpose of Human life " .

 

I reproduce below his notes from his famous book " Meditations " . Hope

it might be of interest to members of your cyber-satsangh.

 

Best regds,

daasan Sudarshan MK

 

**************************

" Remember two things:

 

1. that everything has always been the same, and keeps recurring,

and it makes no difference whether you see the same things recur in

a hundred years or two hundred or in an infinite period;

 

2. that the longest-lived and those who will die soonest lose the

same thing. The present is all that they can give up, since that is

all you have, and what you do not have, you cannot lose.

 

" The human soul degrades itself:

 

1. above all when it does its best to become an abscess, a kind of

detached growth on the world. To be disgruntled at anything that

happens is a kind of secession from Nature, which comprises the

nature of all things.

 

2. when it turns its back on another person or sets out to harm to

do it harm, as the souls of the angry do.

 

3. when it is overpowered by pleasure or pain.

 

4. when it puts on a mask and does or says something artificial or

false.

 

5. when it allows its actions and impulse to be without a purpose,

to be random and disconnected: even the smallest things ought to be

directed toward a goal. But the goal of rational beings is to follow

the rule and law of the most ancient of communities and states.

 

************

 

" Human Life:

 

Duration: momentary

Nature: changeable

Perception: dim

Condition of Body: decaying

Soul: spinning around

Fortune: unpredictable

Lasting fame: uncertain

 

Sum Up: the body and its parts are a river, the soul a dream and

mist, life is warfare and a journey far from home, lasting

reputation is oblivion.

 

Then what guides us? Only philosophy.

 

Which means making sure that the power within stays safe and free

from assault, above pleasure and pain, doing nothing randomly or

dishonestly and with imposture, not dependent on anyone else's doing

something or not doing it. And making sure that it accepts what

happens happens and what it is dealt as coming from the same place

it came from. And above all, that it accepts death in a cheerful

spirit, as nothing but the dissolution of the elements from which

each living thing is composed. If it doesnt hurt the individual

elements to change continually into one another, why are people

afraid of all of them changing and separating? It's a natural thing.

And nothing natural is evil. "

 

*********************

 

Warm Regards,

Sudarshan

 

" A life is perhaps worth nothing; but nothing certainly is worth as

much as life " .

(Andre Malraux)

 

-

Dear friends,

The purpose of life is to be Happy. Every one is trying to be happy.

However, most people do not know what happiness is. Without the

Knowledge of what happiness is how can one attain happiness. It is

like someone who have never seen a mango and trying to buy one in a

shopping center. He is totally dependent on others. There is a very

good analysis of the purpose of life and the happiness in Gita

Rahasya by BG Tilak.

I strongly recommend the chapter on Happiness and Unhappiness in

this book. My final conclusion is at the bottom. How you proceed in

life and all the value system can be derived from what happiness is

and how to achieve eternal happiness. Bhagvat Gita is an

indispensable guide to attaining this eternal happiness.

basant tariyal

 

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When I create a pot out of mud, the pot - (the creation) does not

know the purpose for which it is being created. Only the creator

knows why he made the creation. We are born to such and such

parents (as we think of the body level), we are kept here through

them for doing some of His karmas through this body. Actually we

are never born and will never die from the Atma level. We humans

think from the physical and mental level only that is why this

confusion.

 

vanaja nair

--

, " sadhak_insight "

<sadhak_insight wrote:

>

> Dear Sadhakas, Namaste!

> The purpose of living is implicit in correct understanding of

life!

> It would seem that living in peace, harmony, love, joy, is

intrinsic

> to our nature.

> If one is joyous, in peace, and loving, one would like to stay

there

> as much as possible. No one would say " let me be unhappy now, I am

> bored being happy " . However, when one is in pain, unhappy,

restless,

> angry, etc then one would like to push them away as soon as they

can

> to be in happy state. This shows our true nature is that of being

at

> peace, happy, and in harmony with our environment.

> SO the purpose is to live in this way, in line with what God

intends

> us to live.

> All our pursuits are for being happy, be them for money, power,

> fame, sex, religious following, or whatever one is running after.

> One just doesn't know it and considers these pursuits as ends in

> themselves. Soon he/she forgets the purpose of living and

attributes

> happiness in such objects. One gets attached to them, depending on

> them for his/her happiness, and starts possessing them at all

costs.

> In this way one gets in conflict with others as each is doing the

> same. This is the beginning of suffering. To realize one's true

> nature being happiness itself, peace itself, harmony itself and

thus

> doesn't depend on objects is of utmost importance. One has to

> discover the right address of peace and happiness as not being in

> objects but within oneself.

> One is complete as one naturally is made, lacking nothing. This

> brings happiness in absence or in presence of objects. One lives

> apparantly individually fulfilling one's role in life where he/she

> is placed by God, doing selfless karmas, guided by dharma and

> preparing for moksha. One lives this with full understanding that

> one is not an individual but rather part of totality that works

> through one's body-mind organism, an instrument to partake in

Divine

> celebration, Leela. THIS IS THE PURPOSE OF LIVING as I see it!

> Namaskar...Pratap

> (Pratap Bhatt)

> ----------------------------

> My current opinion is life`s purpose is not `given`

>

> Everyone has been given the power to exercise his choice to select

> the purpose,and then work towards attaining it.Also as Gita

says,You

> donot have a right to attain the purpose.

>

> At a deeper level,the values one selects to live by can be called

a

> purpose.Is this the Dharma?

>

> Bhave.

> (Prakash Bhave)

>

> -----------------------------

> Jai Sitaramjiki.

>

> Reference the above topic for discussion, I request the following:-

>

> It is a very important topic for discussion. However, can we

please

> first have the comments of SWAMI SHRI RAMSUKHDASJI as he must have

> spoken on this subject in his life time. Dhanyavad.

>

> Dhanyavad and Ram Ram.

>

> Bhavdiy

>

> SHER SINGH AGRAWAL

> -----------------------------

> Namaste,

> The purpose of being on this earth, is to remove all VASANAS. But

> while living and exhausting vasanas, we also keep adding some more

> vasanas. This gives birth and death to several birth cycles

> (jalmas). The choice is ours. By perfecting our devotion (Bakthi)

> one can obtain the resolve (sankalpan) of God (Bagavan) to give us

> mukthi (salvation).

> B.Sathyanarayan

>

> -------------------------------

> Namaste

>

> Is Atma which is present in all living beings is part of Parmatama

> (God)

>

> If yes then all living beings are connected with each other with

> strongest possible link

>

> Can we communicate with all living beings, other than man, with

this

> link

>

> Regards

>

> Ramesh Suri

> ---------------------------

> , " sadhak_insight "

> <sadhak_insight@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear MODERATOR,

> >

> > Namaste!

> >

> > I would like to request a discussion on a new topic, " PURPOSE OF

> > LIVING. " I am not sure if this topic has been discussed before.

I

> > would really appreciate, if you can help me/us understand the

> answer

> > to this question.

> >

> > Thanks.

> > Regards,

> >

> > Darshan Goswami

> > ----------------------

> >

> > FROM THE MODERATOR

> >

> > The following are the guidelines for Gita-Talk discussions.

> >

> > GITA TALK GROUP GUIDELINES:

> > 1. Purpose of the group is to help Sadhakas clarify their doubts

> > related to Gitaji shalokas. Therefore, responses which further

> > clarify the understanding of Gitaji, will only be posted.

> > 2. Wherever possible, please quote Gitaji or other scriptures to

> > substantiate your response.

> > 3. Kindly limit personal feelings, opinions, beliefs etc. to the

> > extent that they further help in understanding the Gita shlokas

> > 4. Please be as concise and to the point as possible, respecting

> > sadhaka's time.

> > 5. Kindly focus your writing to the subject at hand only.

> > 6. Please do not include links to the other sites or other

> > organizations.

> > 7. Kindly do not include your personal information such as phone

> > number, address etc.

> > 8. Please do not address the response to a particular individual

> > since the message is going to the entire group.

> > 9. Due to the large readership, all responses may not be posted.

> > 10. Moderator at his discretion, may modify the posting, if

> content

> > is unclear or not appropriate for distribution to the group.

> > 11. Please respond taking into consideration the novices, youth,

> > westerners, non-sectarian audience. Kindly limit the use to

> Sanskrit

> > words only, rather provide the English word with Sanskrit

> bracketed

> > wherever possible.

> >

> > MODERATOR

> > Ram Ram

> >

>

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Dear Friend:

 

This a question that has burnt me quite a bit … I lost sleep for

many months on this …

 

The purpose of The Life cannot be determined by us as we remain

miniscule specs in the infinite ocean of Life. At best, we can say

that the purpose of The Life is Itself. I consider the question

as " what is the purpose of an individual in its life? "

 

It is the survival program that creates this notion of purpose of

life in us. The ego is created to generate an identity for an

individual. The system is steered by the ego to enhance and protect

this identity. That is the reason we always feel one with this body-

mind cluster and always think that " I am this body/mind " . Obviously,

the ego has to take a stand of being a guardian to safeguard this

system in its duty. Its job is secured as far as there is a request

for help from the system. The ego generates relations with the rest

of the world to steer the system in the physical world and happens

to understand the adversities around that continuously threaten the

individual system's survival. The purpose of the ego is to nurture

and safeguard the individual system at any cost. Therefore, to

protect its own survival it craves to look forward for reasons how

it can execute its job " save the system " . In a sense it assures " job

security " to itself by imagining that it is the sole care-taker of

the individual system and the relations it has established with the

external world. As a result, it develops a sense of ownership and

authority over the system, its relations as well as, the related

objects. The apparent purpose of life of an individual is to

establish, protect and enhance this ownership and authority. From

ego's point of view, life ends in the absence of itself which is in

a way true because it always interprets the life as its perpetual

association with the individual body-mind cluster, its relations

with the world and the related objects in the world. But, its true

worry is its own oblivion as a result of the potential loss of life –

which again is the body-mind cluster and its worldly possession

that it owns in its understanding.

 

The very notion of " the purpose of life " is generated for its ever-

lasting and never-achieved quest for eternity within its authority.

It poses this question to itself whenever there is a threat to life –

that is its own existence. The quest in the background is " Is there

any benefit for me? If so, let me encourage the environment. Is

there is any threat for my existence? Then let me thwart the

environment. If not possible, let me escape at least. " Basically,

the purpose of life for the ego is a perpetual saga of diplomacy,

fight and escape with reference to its environment. Due to the

notion of existence it has created for itself it is perpetually

chased by fears that threaten its growth and existence while it

eternally chases the desires that show potential congeniality to its

existence and growth. It believes that the only fuel that can be

adapted in its journey to successfully achieve its ends – to acquire

and safeguard ownership – is this notion, THE PURPOSE OF LIFE! It

hangs on to it so dearly that no one can literally fight against it.

One has to satisfy this guardian of all actions to take up any

action – that is the authority ego has assigned to its own notion.

Even in spirituality, one has to appease this gate keeper to explore

any possibilities outside. The fellow is really sticky and won't let

you free of itself all through your exploration just like

Nakshatrika on King Harischandra's shoulder.

 

In fact, the " purpose of life " is the biggest hurdle for the

progress in spirituality since it is this notion that empowers the

ego steadfast against a spiritual quest. Unless one faces it

correctly, it is impossible to face the ego … and hence impossible

to drop ownership … and hence impossible to attain The Bliss void of

desires and fears.

 

As spiritual seekers, we need to acknowledge and respect this

fellow – the purpose of life – in proper light. In my opinion, the

purpose of spirituality is to seek the same in this purpose of life

to eliminate all the purposes of life imagined by oneself. The

purpose of spirituality drops off automatically in the absence of

the rest of the purposes.

 

My understanding on this quest is: Do not try to look for the

purpose. Become the purpose. Be the purpose. As Tilakji has

beautifully observed – the pot never seeks the purpose of its

creation ... why us? The pot instantly becomes the purpose … why not

us?

 

Respects.

 

Naga Narayana.

-

my dear divine souls!

 

my humble parnaams.......

 

The purpose of Life is only... to Know Thy Self..

when we focus our energies in wordly pursuits..

we are in the Nature of Ignorance and do not understand the Meaning

of life.

 

We humans have reached the final stage of evolution where we have the

mind, and we can the understanding of what is Ultimate good and what

is evil in us.

We in the very nature are God in disguise.. Ishwar is our true natue

who is Love, Beauty, Power, Knowledge..Bliss (Ananda), but we are

here not experiencing these attributes of God.

so the purpose of Life is only to arrive at our True Nature..

 

Janam mritu jara vyadhi dukh doshanu darshnam..

A keen perception of the defective nature of the ordinary physical

man and its aimless and painful subjection to birth, death, disease

and age..bg.13 9

 

thanks...

kuldip

 

-

 

The purpose of Life is to be useful to others, both animate and

inanimate and help without any expectation of rewards and achieve the

goal of NO REBIRTH.

 

G.Vaidyanathan

 

-

If we all believe and to the Vedantic thoughts, then the

purpose of life is to get redemption from the cycle of death, rebirth

etc brought about by our limitless karmas. Gita clearly says that we

are bound in this Samsara and unless we surrender to Him totally,

(Chapter 18 Sloka 66) there is no way that we could obtain salvation

on our own. He is the only one who has the Power to wipe out all our

karmas (both good and bad) that would enable us to be in eternal

bliss with Him. After this total surrender, we continue to live in a

detached way leading a Dharmic life and simply wait for the final

salvation until our time comes to depart from this world. " Detached "

does not mean we do not look after our family or the society. It is

performing our dharmic karmas without expectation of any reward. The

outcome of our action is also surrendered to Lord krishna.

 

I believe this is the essence and purpose of life. Since we have put

our trust in Him, it is for Him to look after us during the rest of

our life.

 

Humble servant of the God

G Rangarajan

-

Dear Sadhakas,

 

Virtue and vice, happiness and sorrow are all attributes of the mind,

not of Yourself, O All-pervading One!

You are neither the " doer " nor the " enjoyer " . Indeed, you are ever-

free!!!

 

Dharma Dharmau Sukham Dukham Manasani na te vibho

Na Karta-si na Bhogta-si Mukta evasi sarvada

(Ashtawakra Gita Chapter 1 verse 6)

 

As long as there is the EGO....this identity with the BODY, MIND &

INTELLECT, will keep us all in the dualities of life. The sense

of 'doership' and/or 'enjoyership' gives the feeling of good & bad,

happiness & unhappiness, joy & sorrow. The moment....ego

disappears....the identity also disappears and the true Eternal

Blissful Self appears..where there are no questions or confusions.

 

Hare Ram Hare Ram

Ram Ram Hare Hare

Hare Krishna Hare Krishna

Krishna Krsihna Hare Hare

 

Abhinav Mehta

 

 

Life loses its purpose unless guided by God.

Many cultures have within their lore stories similar to Hänsel and

Gretel, a tale of Germanic origin and adapted by the Brothers Grimm:

people happy and cared for, subsequent misfortune, loss, apparent

escape, even greater danger and final deliverance. When the children are lost in

the woods we read these words: " ...as (Hänsel) walked through the trees, he left

a trail of crumbs behind him to mark the way. "

 

How often do we feel like these lost children, wandering through a

life that seems dark with dangerous shadows, not only unsure of our

destination, but uncertain which fork of the road to take. Perhaps it

is job uncertainty, or career choices or relationship questions. Sometimes it is

even doubt about God's love or leading. What are some crumbs on the path to mark

our way?

 

Author John Baillie writes, " I thank Thee that this Christian way

whereon I walk is no untried or uncharted road, but a road beaten

hard by the footsteps of saints, apostles, prophets, and martyrs. I

thank Thee for the finger-posts and danger signals with which it is

marked at every turning and which may be known to me through study of

the Bible and of all history, and of all the great literature of the

world. "

 

God often directs us through the quiet voice of his Spirit speaking to

the inner places of our own spirits, but He has also given us more

visible crumbs along the way. It is of vital importance that we pay

close attention to those crumbs.

 

Bread crumbs don't seem like much, Lord, but sometimes those crumbs

are all we have to follow. Thank you that through your Holy Spirit the

crumbs can be magnified and thus visible to our seeking eyes.

 

yeshu rathenam

 

Adarniya Bhaktjan,

 

Praman

 

I am writing below about the Purpose of life which may be useful in

doing spirituality.

 

From a spiritual perspective, there are two generic reasons why we

are born. These reasons define the purpose of our lives at the most

basic level. They are:

- To complete the give-and-take account we have with various people -

- To make spiritual progress with the final aim of merging into God

and therefore getting out of the cycle of birth and death.

 

Completing our give-and-take account

Over many lifetimes, we accumulate many give-and-take accounts that

are a direct result of our deeds and actions. The accounts may be

positive or negative depending on the positive or negative nature of

our actions. As a rule of thumb, in the current era approximately 65%

of our lives are destined (not within our control) and 35% of our

lives are governed by our own freewill. All major events in our life

are by and large destined. These events include our birth, the family

we are born into, the person (or persons) we marry, the children we

have, serious illnesses and the time of our death. The happiness and

pain that we give and receive from loved ones and acquaintances are

by and large simply a case of prior give-and-take accounts directing

the way relationships unravel and play out.

 

However even our destiny in the current lifetime is just a fraction

of the accumulated give-and take account that we amass over many

lifetimes.

In our lifetime, while we do complete our give-and-take account and

destiny earmarked for this particular lifetime of ours, we also end

up creating more accounts by using our wilful action. This in turn

finally adds up to our overall give-and-take account known as the

accumulated account. As a result, we have to be born again to settle

further give-and-take accounts and are stuck in the cycle of birth

and death.

 

Making spiritual progress

The ultimate in spiritual development in any Spiritual path is

merging with God. `Merging with God' means experiencing God within us

and all around us and not identifying with our five senses, mind and

intellect. This happens at the 100% spiritual level. Most people in

today's world are at the 20-25% spiritual level and are disinclined

to any spiritual practice for spiritual development. They also

heavily identify with their 5 senses, mind and intellect. This is

reflected in our lives when we focus mainly on our looks or are

arrogant about our intelligence or success.

 

By spiritual practice when we grow to the spiritual level of 80%, we

are liberated from the cycle of birth and death. After this spiritual

level, we can settle whatever remaining give-and-take accounts we

have from the higher subtle realms of Mahaaloka and above. Sometimes

however, people above the 80% spiritual level may choose to be born

on Earth to guide humanity in Spirituality.

 

Rahul Kinger

-

, " sadhak_insight "

<sadhak_insight wrote:

>

> I request SWAMI SHRI RAMSUKHDASJI to comments and provide some

> guidance so that we can generate more opnions and awareness on this

> subject.

>

> Thanks. Namaste.

>

> Darshan Goswami

>

> -----------------------------

>

> Dear Sir,

>

> I am a student of Gita. I am also a student of world history.

>

> The Purpose of Living is a constant theme of the Perennial

> Philosophy ie. Vedanta.

>

> I have always been inspired by the thoughts of the Roman emperor

> Marcus Aurelius who I believe was a true Vedantin in his approach

to

> the question " What is the purpose of Human life " .

>

> I reproduce below his notes from his famous book " Meditations " .

Hope

> it might be of interest to members of your cyber-satsangh.

>

> Best regds,

> daasan Sudarshan MK

>

> **************************

> " Remember two things:

>

> 1. that everything has always been the same, and keeps recurring,

> and it makes no difference whether you see the same things recur in

> a hundred years or two hundred or in an infinite period;

>

> 2. that the longest-lived and those who will die soonest lose the

> same thing. The present is all that they can give up, since that is

> all you have, and what you do not have, you cannot lose.

>

> " The human soul degrades itself:

>

> 1. above all when it does its best to become an abscess, a kind of

> detached growth on the world. To be disgruntled at anything that

> happens is a kind of secession from Nature, which comprises the

> nature of all things.

>

> 2. when it turns its back on another person or sets out to harm to

> do it harm, as the souls of the angry do.

>

> 3. when it is overpowered by pleasure or pain.

>

> 4. when it puts on a mask and does or says something artificial or

> false.

>

> 5. when it allows its actions and impulse to be without a purpose,

> to be random and disconnected: even the smallest things ought to be

> directed toward a goal. But the goal of rational beings is to follow

> the rule and law of the most ancient of communities and states.

>

> ************

>

> " Human Life:

>

> Duration: momentary

> Nature: changeable

> Perception: dim

> Condition of Body: decaying

> Soul: spinning around

> Fortune: unpredictable

> Lasting fame: uncertain

>

> Sum Up: the body and its parts are a river, the soul a dream and

> mist, life is warfare and a journey far from home, lasting

> reputation is oblivion.

>

> Then what guides us? Only philosophy.

>

> Which means making sure that the power within stays safe and free

> from assault, above pleasure and pain, doing nothing randomly or

> dishonestly and with imposture, not dependent on anyone else's doing

> something or not doing it. And making sure that it accepts what

> happens happens and what it is dealt as coming from the same place

> it came from. And above all, that it accepts death in a cheerful

> spirit, as nothing but the dissolution of the elements from which

> each living thing is composed. If it doesnt hurt the individual

> elements to change continually into one another, why are people

> afraid of all of them changing and separating? It's a natural

thing.

> And nothing natural is evil. "

>

> *********************

>

> Warm Regards,

> Sudarshan

>

> " A life is perhaps worth nothing; but nothing certainly is worth

as

> much as life " .

> (Andre Malraux)

>

> -

> Dear friends,

> The purpose of life is to be Happy. Every one is trying to be

happy.

> However, most people do not know what happiness is. Without the

> Knowledge of what happiness is how can one attain happiness. It is

> like someone who have never seen a mango and trying to buy one in a

> shopping center. He is totally dependent on others. There is a very

> good analysis of the purpose of life and the happiness in Gita

> Rahasya by BG Tilak.

> I strongly recommend the chapter on Happiness and Unhappiness in

> this book. My final conclusion is at the bottom. How you proceed in

> life and all the value system can be derived from what happiness is

> and how to achieve eternal happiness. Bhagvat Gita is an

> indispensable guide to attaining this eternal happiness.

> basant tariyal

>

> ---------------------------

> When I create a pot out of mud, the pot - (the creation) does not

> know the purpose for which it is being created. Only the creator

> knows why he made the creation. We are born to such and such

> parents (as we think of the body level), we are kept here through

> them for doing some of His karmas through this body. Actually we

> are never born and will never die from the Atma level. We humans

> think from the physical and mental level only that is why this

> confusion.

>

> vanaja nair

> --

> , " sadhak_insight "

> <sadhak_insight@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Sadhakas, Namaste!

> > The purpose of living is implicit in correct understanding of

> life!

> > It would seem that living in peace, harmony, love, joy, is

> intrinsic

> > to our nature.

> > If one is joyous, in peace, and loving, one would like to stay

> there

> > as much as possible. No one would say " let me be unhappy now, I

am

> > bored being happy " . However, when one is in pain, unhappy,

> restless,

> > angry, etc then one would like to push them away as soon as they

> can

> > to be in happy state. This shows our true nature is that of being

> at

> > peace, happy, and in harmony with our environment.

> > SO the purpose is to live in this way, in line with what God

> intends

> > us to live.

> > All our pursuits are for being happy, be them for money, power,

> > fame, sex, religious following, or whatever one is running after.

> > One just doesn't know it and considers these pursuits as ends in

> > themselves. Soon he/she forgets the purpose of living and

> attributes

> > happiness in such objects. One gets attached to them, depending

on

> > them for his/her happiness, and starts possessing them at all

> costs.

> > In this way one gets in conflict with others as each is doing the

> > same. This is the beginning of suffering. To realize one's true

> > nature being happiness itself, peace itself, harmony itself and

> thus

> > doesn't depend on objects is of utmost importance. One has to

> > discover the right address of peace and happiness as not being in

> > objects but within oneself.

> > One is complete as one naturally is made, lacking nothing. This

> > brings happiness in absence or in presence of objects. One lives

> > apparantly individually fulfilling one's role in life where

he/she

> > is placed by God, doing selfless karmas, guided by dharma and

> > preparing for moksha. One lives this with full understanding that

> > one is not an individual but rather part of totality that works

> > through one's body-mind organism, an instrument to partake in

> Divine

> > celebration, Leela. THIS IS THE PURPOSE OF LIVING as I see it!

> > Namaskar...Pratap

> > (Pratap Bhatt)

> > ----------------------------

> > My current opinion is life`s purpose is not `given`

> >

> > Everyone has been given the power to exercise his choice to

select

> > the purpose,and then work towards attaining it.Also as Gita

> says,You

> > donot have a right to attain the purpose.

> >

> > At a deeper level,the values one selects to live by can be called

> a

> > purpose.Is this the Dharma?

> >

> > Bhave.

> > (Prakash Bhave)

> >

> > -----------------------------

> > Jai Sitaramjiki.

> >

> > Reference the above topic for discussion, I request the

following:-

> >

> > It is a very important topic for discussion. However, can we

> please

> > first have the comments of SWAMI SHRI RAMSUKHDASJI as he must

have

> > spoken on this subject in his life time. Dhanyavad.

> >

> > Dhanyavad and Ram Ram.

> >

> > Bhavdiy

> >

> > SHER SINGH AGRAWAL

> > -----------------------------

> > Namaste,

> > The purpose of being on this earth, is to remove all VASANAS. But

> > while living and exhausting vasanas, we also keep adding some

more

> > vasanas. This gives birth and death to several birth cycles

> > (jalmas). The choice is ours. By perfecting our devotion (Bakthi)

> > one can obtain the resolve (sankalpan) of God (Bagavan) to give

us

> > mukthi (salvation).

> > B.Sathyanarayan

> >

> > -------------------------------

> > Namaste

> >

> > Is Atma which is present in all living beings is part of

Parmatama

> > (God)

> >

> > If yes then all living beings are connected with each other with

> > strongest possible link

> >

> > Can we communicate with all living beings, other than man, with

> this

> > link

> >

> > Regards

> >

> > Ramesh Suri

> > ---------------------------

> > , " sadhak_insight "

> > <sadhak_insight@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear MODERATOR,

> > >

> > > Namaste!

> > >

> > > I would like to request a discussion on a new topic, " PURPOSE

OF

> > > LIVING. " I am not sure if this topic has been discussed

before.

> I

> > > would really appreciate, if you can help me/us understand the

> > answer

> > > to this question.

> > >

> > > Thanks.

> > > Regards,

> > >

> > > Darshan Goswami

> > > ----------------------

> > >

> > > FROM THE MODERATOR

> > >

> > > The following are the guidelines for Gita-Talk discussions.

> > >

> > > GITA TALK GROUP GUIDELINES:

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to

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the

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Message of Swamiji clearly brings out the purpose of life.

G.Vaidyanathan.

 

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sadhak_insight

Tue, 8 Apr 2008 03:34:54 -0700

[sadhaka] Purpose of LIfe (April 8, 2008)

 

:Shree Hari:

 

8th April, 2008, Tuesday

Chaitra Shukla Tritiya, Vikram Samvat 2064, Mangalvar

 

God, by showering His grace has blessed us with four things - 1) this

human life, 2) the understanding 3) the means and 4) the

capabilities. These four things have been given to us primarily for

the purpose of realizing the Truth (attaining salvation, God or Self

Realization).

 

A very important point here is that the time, the means, the

understanding and the competencies that we currently have, if we

engage them all in realizing the Truth (God, Self) then perfection

(realization) in human life can be achieved. We have already been

provided all that is needed for God Realization. And if there is any

thing lacking (deficiencies), then God will fulfill those

deficiencies Himself. The kingdom of God is open at all times for

everyone.

 

It is said in the Ramcharitramanasa - " Kabahu kari karunaa ner dehi;

Det is binu hetu sanehi. " (Manasa 7:43:3)

In man there is a feeling of uncertainty, how can I realize God?

However, this life, this birth is only for this purpose. There is no

other purpose. Yet deep within us lingers this thought, this subtle

doubt, that are we really capable ? Are we really worthy? This

feeling of unworthiness, is the greatest obstacle in realizing God.

Just like a mother always accepts her child in her lap, no matter how

good or bad he is. The child is ever entitled to be in his mother's

lap. Similarly we are all eligible for God Realization, no matter

what we are.

 

God says in the Gita " Api chetsuduraachaaro, bhajate maam ananya bhaak

Saadhureva sa mantavyah samyagvyavasitohi saha " (Gita 9:30)

Simply speaking, even if the worst of sinners becomes Mine, he should

be considered a saint, because he is determined to turn towards Me,

says God. Only due to his firm determination. Once this determination

is made, can wrongful actions become obstacles in God Realization? Is

God so very weak that He will be stalled by few actions?

 

Pay attention to this verse. It is mentioned here that God, is a well-

wisher without any motive, and simply by His grace He has bestowed

this human life on us, so that we can become free from sorrows and

attain Him. The implication here is that God intends for our

upliftment, our benediction. So with a little effort on our part, His

intention will come true.

 

In summary the purpose of life is to serve others, to realize the

truth (Self) and to believe in God as our very own. It is for these,

that this human life, this human birth has been received.

 

From Discourse in Hindi by Swami Ramsukhdasji

 

Ram Ram

--

All life have one purpose but is different for different people. This

purpose is liberation or MOXA but each one of us as per ones'

swabhaav (innate nature) is near and far from this end goal, and

therefore have different goals in short term. Life is a journey and

as we go up in understanding, our attachments with world reduces and

as we know the abstract, we get MOXA in step by step.

 

MOXA is liberation and it is purpose of life. Liberation from disese,

liberation from hunger, liberation from ignorance, liberation from

unwanted controls, liberation to work as per own wish, liberation to

work for self and family, liberation to work for community, and

liberation for self and all. Scientists are doing work of inventing

medicines, engineers build machines, saints do the preachng, soldiers

do the war in defense, and so on. Each one is to do his/her 'niyat

karma' as per given swabhaav (nature)because it is only justification

of life at that moment. When swabhav (dharma) gets improved the work

also changes, and you find a laywer like Gandhi becoming replica of

Kabir.

This is BHAGWAT GITA from begining to the end

Regards

Krishna Gopal

 

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dear naganarayan ji.

there is lot of flora and founa arround us which no other species

other than humans can recognise and enjoy why is and what is the

purpose of such variety. Now all the living beings are born with

their torso in line with the earth axis. Strangely it is the man

only who has his torso perpendicular to the earth axis. Certainly a

point to be probed and understood. Then, when it is the purpose of

living and dying why to have discrimination and curiosity to know,

all the art and sciences. Definitly all this indicate towards some

spacial purpose of human birth. Not merely living a quality living.

When you probe into the cosmic evolution you will see that from

nothingness ( nirakar) cosmic projection of matter came into

existence further development in the same evolution brought in the

living species finally culminating at the birth of human life.. now

history speaks that there is hardly any development in the living

being that could be said to be some what superior to man. Thus you

are at a status where the further evolution is almost stopped. This

in itself indicates that man is at the threshold of finally merging

into nothingness thus completing the cycle of evolution which started

from nothingnees and goes back to the same nothingness. Which in

terms of sprit is called self realisation, freedom from the cycle of

reincarnation. i have tried to give you the totality of the purpose

of human birth in nut shell. In case you want further clarification

please feel free to communicate with me thanks and lots of love and

blessings ck kaul

--

dear all brothers and sisters on this forum

my humble parnaams to ALL

why to loose your sleep..

The Yoga means giving charge of your LIfe to The Supreme..

Let Her take care of you and Your fraility.

But you need to Surrender; this is the Secret

and the Key to the puzzle of Life

Mystery is solved once you feel Her Hand in your Life..

why worry..

the Key to evolution is Dharma,

Explore the true meaning of Dharma and follow the dharma.

the first step of this Journey...

thanks...

kuldip

 

--

Dear Friends,

 

The purpose of life is to have a goal and work towards it. Even

striving " to not have a purpose " is a goal and one obviously works

for it.

 

girish desai

 

---

, " sadhak_insight "

<sadhak_insight wrote:

>

> Dear Friend:

>

> This a question that has burnt me quite a bit … I lost sleep for

> many months on this …

>

> The purpose of The Life cannot be determined by us as we remain

> miniscule specs in the infinite ocean of Life. At best, we can say

> that the purpose of The Life is Itself. I consider the question

> as " what is the purpose of an individual in its life? "

>

> It is the survival program that creates this notion of purpose of

> life in us. The ego is created to generate an identity for an

> individual. The system is steered by the ego to enhance and protect

> this identity. That is the reason we always feel one with this body-

> mind cluster and always think that " I am this body/mind " . Obviously,

> the ego has to take a stand of being a guardian to safeguard this

> system in its duty. Its job is secured as far as there is a request

> for help from the system. The ego generates relations with the rest

> of the world to steer the system in the physical world and happens

> to understand the adversities around that continuously threaten the

> individual system's survival. The purpose of the ego is to nurture

> and safeguard the individual system at any cost. Therefore, to

> protect its own survival it craves to look forward for reasons how

> it can execute its job " save the system " . In a sense it assures " job

> security " to itself by imagining that it is the sole care-taker of

> the individual system and the relations it has established with the

> external world. As a result, it develops a sense of ownership and

> authority over the system, its relations as well as, the related

> objects. The apparent purpose of life of an individual is to

> establish, protect and enhance this ownership and authority. From

> ego's point of view, life ends in the absence of itself which is in

> a way true because it always interprets the life as its perpetual

> association with the individual body-mind cluster, its relations

> with the world and the related objects in the world. But, its true

> worry is its own oblivion as a result of the potential loss of

life –

> which again is the body-mind cluster and its worldly possession

> that it owns in its understanding.

>

> The very notion of " the purpose of life " is generated for its ever-

> lasting and never-achieved quest for eternity within its authority.

> It poses this question to itself whenever there is a threat to

life –

> that is its own existence. The quest in the background is " Is

there

> any benefit for me? If so, let me encourage the environment. Is

> there is any threat for my existence? Then let me thwart the

> environment. If not possible, let me escape at least. " Basically,

> the purpose of life for the ego is a perpetual saga of diplomacy,

> fight and escape with reference to its environment. Due to the

> notion of existence it has created for itself it is perpetually

> chased by fears that threaten its growth and existence while it

> eternally chases the desires that show potential congeniality to its

> existence and growth. It believes that the only fuel that can be

> adapted in its journey to successfully achieve its ends – to acquire

> and safeguard ownership – is this notion, THE PURPOSE OF LIFE! It

> hangs on to it so dearly that no one can literally fight against it.

> One has to satisfy this guardian of all actions to take up any

> action – that is the authority ego has assigned to its own notion.

> Even in spirituality, one has to appease this gate keeper to explore

> any possibilities outside. The fellow is really sticky and won't let

> you free of itself all through your exploration just like

> Nakshatrika on King Harischandra's shoulder.

>

> In fact, the " purpose of life " is the biggest hurdle for the

> progress in spirituality since it is this notion that empowers the

> ego steadfast against a spiritual quest. Unless one faces it

> correctly, it is impossible to face the ego … and hence impossible

> to drop ownership … and hence impossible to attain The Bliss void of

> desires and fears.

>

> As spiritual seekers, we need to acknowledge and respect this

> fellow – the purpose of life – in proper light. In my opinion, the

> purpose of spirituality is to seek the same in this purpose of life

> to eliminate all the purposes of life imagined by oneself. The

> purpose of spirituality drops off automatically in the absence of

> the rest of the purposes.

>

> My understanding on this quest is: Do not try to look for the

> purpose. Become the purpose. Be the purpose. As Tilakji has

> beautifully observed – the pot never seeks the purpose of its

> creation ... why us? The pot instantly becomes the purpose … why not

> us?

>

> Respects.

>

> Naga Narayana.

> -

> my dear divine souls!

>

> my humble parnaams.......

>

> The purpose of Life is only... to Know Thy Self..

> when we focus our energies in wordly pursuits..

> we are in the Nature of Ignorance and do not understand the Meaning

> of life.

>

> We humans have reached the final stage of evolution where we have

the

> mind, and we can the understanding of what is Ultimate good and what

> is evil in us.

> We in the very nature are God in disguise.. Ishwar is our true natue

> who is Love, Beauty, Power, Knowledge..Bliss (Ananda), but we are

> here not experiencing these attributes of God.

> so the purpose of Life is only to arrive at our True Nature..

>

> Janam mritu jara vyadhi dukh doshanu darshnam..

> A keen perception of the defective nature of the ordinary physical

> man and its aimless and painful subjection to birth, death, disease

> and age..bg.13 9

>

> thanks...

> kuldip

>

> -

>

> The purpose of Life is to be useful to others, both animate and

> inanimate and help without any expectation of rewards and achieve

the

> goal of NO REBIRTH.

>

> G.Vaidyanathan

>

> -

> If we all believe and to the Vedantic thoughts, then the

> purpose of life is to get redemption from the cycle of death,

rebirth

> etc brought about by our limitless karmas. Gita clearly says that we

> are bound in this Samsara and unless we surrender to Him totally,

> (Chapter 18 Sloka 66) there is no way that we could obtain salvation

> on our own. He is the only one who has the Power to wipe out all our

> karmas (both good and bad) that would enable us to be in eternal

> bliss with Him. After this total surrender, we continue to live in a

> detached way leading a Dharmic life and simply wait for the final

> salvation until our time comes to depart from this world. " Detached "

> does not mean we do not look after our family or the society. It is

> performing our dharmic karmas without expectation of any reward. The

> outcome of our action is also surrendered to Lord krishna.

>

> I believe this is the essence and purpose of life. Since we have put

> our trust in Him, it is for Him to look after us during the rest of

> our life.

>

> Humble servant of the God

> G Rangarajan

> -

> Dear Sadhakas,

>

> Virtue and vice, happiness and sorrow are all attributes of the

mind,

> not of Yourself, O All-pervading One!

> You are neither the " doer " nor the " enjoyer " . Indeed, you are ever-

> free!!!

>

> Dharma Dharmau Sukham Dukham Manasani na te vibho

> Na Karta-si na Bhogta-si Mukta evasi sarvada

> (Ashtawakra Gita Chapter 1 verse 6)

>

> As long as there is the EGO....this identity with the BODY, MIND &

> INTELLECT, will keep us all in the dualities of life. The sense

> of 'doership' and/or 'enjoyership' gives the feeling of good & bad,

> happiness & unhappiness, joy & sorrow. The moment....ego

> disappears....the identity also disappears and the true Eternal

> Blissful Self appears..where there are no questions or confusions.

>

> Hare Ram Hare Ram

> Ram Ram Hare Hare

> Hare Krishna Hare Krishna

> Krishna Krsihna Hare Hare

>

> Abhinav Mehta

>

>

> Life loses its purpose unless guided by God.

> Many cultures have within their lore stories similar to Hänsel and

> Gretel, a tale of Germanic origin and adapted by the Brothers Grimm:

> people happy and cared for, subsequent misfortune, loss, apparent

> escape, even greater danger and final deliverance. When the

children are lost in the woods we read these words: " ...as (Hänsel)

walked through the trees, he left a trail of crumbs behind him to

mark the way. "

>

> How often do we feel like these lost children, wandering through a

> life that seems dark with dangerous shadows, not only unsure of our

> destination, but uncertain which fork of the road to take. Perhaps

it

> is job uncertainty, or career choices or relationship questions.

Sometimes it is even doubt about God's love or leading. What are some

crumbs on the path to mark our way?

>

> Author John Baillie writes, " I thank Thee that this Christian way

> whereon I walk is no untried or uncharted road, but a road beaten

> hard by the footsteps of saints, apostles, prophets, and martyrs. I

> thank Thee for the finger-posts and danger signals with which it is

> marked at every turning and which may be known to me through study

of

> the Bible and of all history, and of all the great literature of the

> world. "

>

> God often directs us through the quiet voice of his Spirit speaking

to

> the inner places of our own spirits, but He has also given us more

> visible crumbs along the way. It is of vital importance that we

pay

> close attention to those crumbs.

>

> Bread crumbs don't seem like much, Lord, but sometimes those crumbs

> are all we have to follow. Thank you that through your Holy Spirit

the

> crumbs can be magnified and thus visible to our seeking eyes.

>

> yeshu rathenam

>

> Adarniya Bhaktjan,

>

> Praman

>

> I am writing below about the Purpose of life which may be useful in

> doing spirituality.

>

> From a spiritual perspective, there are two generic reasons why we

> are born. These reasons define the purpose of our lives at the most

> basic level. They are:

> - To complete the give-and-take account we have with various

people -

> - To make spiritual progress with the final aim of merging into God

> and therefore getting out of the cycle of birth and death.

>

> Completing our give-and-take account

> Over many lifetimes, we accumulate many give-and-take accounts that

> are a direct result of our deeds and actions. The accounts may be

> positive or negative depending on the positive or negative nature of

> our actions. As a rule of thumb, in the current era approximately

65%

> of our lives are destined (not within our control) and 35% of our

> lives are governed by our own freewill. All major events in our life

> are by and large destined. These events include our birth, the

family

> we are born into, the person (or persons) we marry, the children we

> have, serious illnesses and the time of our death. The happiness and

> pain that we give and receive from loved ones and acquaintances are

> by and large simply a case of prior give-and-take accounts directing

> the way relationships unravel and play out.

>

> However even our destiny in the current lifetime is just a fraction

> of the accumulated give-and take account that we amass over many

> lifetimes.

> In our lifetime, while we do complete our give-and-take account and

> destiny earmarked for this particular lifetime of ours, we also end

> up creating more accounts by using our wilful action. This in turn

> finally adds up to our overall give-and-take account known as the

> accumulated account. As a result, we have to be born again to settle

> further give-and-take accounts and are stuck in the cycle of birth

> and death.

>

> Making spiritual progress

> The ultimate in spiritual development in any Spiritual path is

> merging with God. `Merging with God' means experiencing God within

us

> and all around us and not identifying with our five senses, mind and

> intellect. This happens at the 100% spiritual level. Most people in

> today's world are at the 20-25% spiritual level and are disinclined

> to any spiritual practice for spiritual development. They also

> heavily identify with their 5 senses, mind and intellect. This is

> reflected in our lives when we focus mainly on our looks or are

> arrogant about our intelligence or success.

>

> By spiritual practice when we grow to the spiritual level of 80%, we

> are liberated from the cycle of birth and death. After this

spiritual

> level, we can settle whatever remaining give-and-take accounts we

> have from the higher subtle realms of Mahaaloka and above. Sometimes

> however, people above the 80% spiritual level may choose to be born

> on Earth to guide humanity in Spirituality.

>

> Rahul Kinger

> -

> , " sadhak_insight "

> <sadhak_insight@> wrote:

> >

> > I request SWAMI SHRI RAMSUKHDASJI to comments and provide some

> > guidance so that we can generate more opnions and awareness on

this

> > subject.

> >

> > Thanks. Namaste.

> >

> > Darshan Goswami

> >

> > -----------------------------

> >

> > Dear Sir,

> >

> > I am a student of Gita. I am also a student of world history.

> >

> > The Purpose of Living is a constant theme of the Perennial

> > Philosophy ie. Vedanta.

> >

> > I have always been inspired by the thoughts of the Roman emperor

> > Marcus Aurelius who I believe was a true Vedantin in his approach

> to

> > the question " What is the purpose of Human life " .

> >

> > I reproduce below his notes from his famous book " Meditations " .

> Hope

> > it might be of interest to members of your cyber-satsangh.

> >

> > Best regds,

> > daasan Sudarshan MK

> >

> > **************************

> > " Remember two things:

> >

> > 1. that everything has always been the same, and keeps recurring,

> > and it makes no difference whether you see the same things recur

in

> > a hundred years or two hundred or in an infinite period;

> >

> > 2. that the longest-lived and those who will die soonest lose the

> > same thing. The present is all that they can give up, since that

is

> > all you have, and what you do not have, you cannot lose.

> >

> > " The human soul degrades itself:

> >

> > 1. above all when it does its best to become an abscess, a kind of

> > detached growth on the world. To be disgruntled at anything that

> > happens is a kind of secession from Nature, which comprises the

> > nature of all things.

> >

> > 2. when it turns its back on another person or sets out to harm to

> > do it harm, as the souls of the angry do.

> >

> > 3. when it is overpowered by pleasure or pain.

> >

> > 4. when it puts on a mask and does or says something artificial or

> > false.

> >

> > 5. when it allows its actions and impulse to be without a purpose,

> > to be random and disconnected: even the smallest things ought to

be

> > directed toward a goal. But the goal of rational beings is to

follow

> > the rule and law of the most ancient of communities and states.

> >

> > ************

> >

> > " Human Life:

> >

> > Duration: momentary

> > Nature: changeable

> > Perception: dim

> > Condition of Body: decaying

> > Soul: spinning around

> > Fortune: unpredictable

> > Lasting fame: uncertain

> >

> > Sum Up: the body and its parts are a river, the soul a dream and

> > mist, life is warfare and a journey far from home, lasting

> > reputation is oblivion.

> >

> > Then what guides us? Only philosophy.

> >

> > Which means making sure that the power within stays safe and free

> > from assault, above pleasure and pain, doing nothing randomly or

> > dishonestly and with imposture, not dependent on anyone else's

doing

> > something or not doing it. And making sure that it accepts what

> > happens happens and what it is dealt as coming from the same place

> > it came from. And above all, that it accepts death in a cheerful

> > spirit, as nothing but the dissolution of the elements from which

> > each living thing is composed. If it doesnt hurt the individual

> > elements to change continually into one another, why are people

> > afraid of all of them changing and separating? It's a natural

> thing.

> > And nothing natural is evil. "

> >

> > *********************

> >

> > Warm Regards,

> > Sudarshan

> >

> > " A life is perhaps worth nothing; but nothing certainly is worth

> as

> > much as life " .

> > (Andre Malraux)

> >

> >

-

> > Dear friends,

> > The purpose of life is to be Happy. Every one is trying to be

> happy.

> > However, most people do not know what happiness is. Without the

> > Knowledge of what happiness is how can one attain happiness. It is

> > like someone who have never seen a mango and trying to buy one in

a

> > shopping center. He is totally dependent on others. There is a

very

> > good analysis of the purpose of life and the happiness in Gita

> > Rahasya by BG Tilak.

> > I strongly recommend the chapter on Happiness and Unhappiness in

> > this book. My final conclusion is at the bottom. How you proceed

in

> > life and all the value system can be derived from what happiness

is

> > and how to achieve eternal happiness. Bhagvat Gita is an

> > indispensable guide to attaining this eternal happiness.

> > basant tariyal

> >

> > ---------------------------

> > When I create a pot out of mud, the pot - (the creation) does not

> > know the purpose for which it is being created. Only the creator

> > knows why he made the creation. We are born to such and such

> > parents (as we think of the body level), we are kept here through

> > them for doing some of His karmas through this body. Actually we

> > are never born and will never die from the Atma level. We humans

> > think from the physical and mental level only that is why this

> > confusion.

> >

> > vanaja nair

> >

--

> > , " sadhak_insight "

> > <sadhak_insight@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Sadhakas, Namaste!

> > > The purpose of living is implicit in correct understanding of

> > life!

> > > It would seem that living in peace, harmony, love, joy, is

> > intrinsic

> > > to our nature.

> > > If one is joyous, in peace, and loving, one would like to stay

> > there

> > > as much as possible. No one would say " let me be unhappy now, I

> am

> > > bored being happy " . However, when one is in pain, unhappy,

> > restless,

> > > angry, etc then one would like to push them away as soon as they

> > can

> > > to be in happy state. This shows our true nature is that of

being

> > at

> > > peace, happy, and in harmony with our environment.

> > > SO the purpose is to live in this way, in line with what God

> > intends

> > > us to live.

> > > All our pursuits are for being happy, be them for money, power,

> > > fame, sex, religious following, or whatever one is running

after.

> > > One just doesn't know it and considers these pursuits as ends in

> > > themselves. Soon he/she forgets the purpose of living and

> > attributes

> > > happiness in such objects. One gets attached to them, depending

> on

> > > them for his/her happiness, and starts possessing them at all

> > costs.

> > > In this way one gets in conflict with others as each is doing

the

> > > same. This is the beginning of suffering. To realize one's true

> > > nature being happiness itself, peace itself, harmony itself and

> > thus

> > > doesn't depend on objects is of utmost importance. One has to

> > > discover the right address of peace and happiness as not being

in

> > > objects but within oneself.

> > > One is complete as one naturally is made, lacking nothing. This

> > > brings happiness in absence or in presence of objects. One lives

> > > apparantly individually fulfilling one's role in life where

> he/she

> > > is placed by God, doing selfless karmas, guided by dharma and

> > > preparing for moksha. One lives this with full understanding

that

> > > one is not an individual but rather part of totality that works

> > > through one's body-mind organism, an instrument to partake in

> > Divine

> > > celebration, Leela. THIS IS THE PURPOSE OF LIVING as I see it!

> > > Namaskar...Pratap

> > > (Pratap Bhatt)

> > > ----------------------------

> > > My current opinion is life`s purpose is not `given`

> > >

> > > Everyone has been given the power to exercise his choice to

> select

> > > the purpose,and then work towards attaining it.Also as Gita

> > says,You

> > > donot have a right to attain the purpose.

> > >

> > > At a deeper level,the values one selects to live by can be

called

> > a

> > > purpose.Is this the Dharma?

> > >

> > > Bhave.

> > > (Prakash Bhave)

> > >

> > > -----------------------------

> > > Jai Sitaramjiki.

> > >

> > > Reference the above topic for discussion, I request the

> following:-

> > >

> > > It is a very important topic for discussion. However, can we

> > please

> > > first have the comments of SWAMI SHRI RAMSUKHDASJI as he must

> have

> > > spoken on this subject in his life time. Dhanyavad.

> > >

> > > Dhanyavad and Ram Ram.

> > >

> > > Bhavdiy

> > >

> > > SHER SINGH AGRAWAL

> > > -----------------------------

> > > Namaste,

> > > The purpose of being on this earth, is to remove all VASANAS.

But

> > > while living and exhausting vasanas, we also keep adding some

> more

> > > vasanas. This gives birth and death to several birth cycles

> > > (jalmas). The choice is ours. By perfecting our devotion

(Bakthi)

> > > one can obtain the resolve (sankalpan) of God (Bagavan) to give

> us

> > > mukthi (salvation).

> > > B.Sathyanarayan

> > >

> > > -------------------------------

> > > Namaste

> > >

> > > Is Atma which is present in all living beings is part of

> Parmatama

> > > (God)

> > >

> > > If yes then all living beings are connected with each other with

> > > strongest possible link

> > >

> > > Can we communicate with all living beings, other than man, with

> > this

> > > link

> > >

> > > Regards

> > >

> > > Ramesh Suri

> > > ---------------------------

> > > , " sadhak_insight "

> > > <sadhak_insight@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear MODERATOR,

> > > >

> > > > Namaste!

> > > >

> > > > I would like to request a discussion on a new topic, " PURPOSE

> OF

> > > > LIVING. " I am not sure if this topic has been discussed

> before.

> > I

> > > > would really appreciate, if you can help me/us understand the

> > > answer

> > > > to this question.

> > > >

> > > > Thanks.

> > > > Regards,

> > > >

> > > > Darshan Goswami

> > > > ----------------------

> > > >

> > > > FROM THE MODERATOR

> > > >

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> > > >

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> to

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Respected Ones :

 

Thank you very much for taking interest in my utterance. I am

grateful for that as well as your love and blessings. I need them.

However, I am helpless but to note couple of things here. Pardon me

for my prudence. But, my intention is purely to unveil my ignorance

further for my own benefit.

 

" no other species other than humans can recognise and enjoy why is

and what is the purpose of such variety "

 

I do not think I understand how exactly others truly observe and

enjoy - not just flora and fauna, even humans. I have observed a

tendency that I observe, experience and enjoy the best because I

seem to know only that. Accordingly, we develop tendencies to

respect what we believe and reject what we do not. We categorically

claim to have comprehended what we believe and categorically reject

what we do not comprehend. It is this tendency that is called Maya

or Ignorance. Do we really have authority to judge how others

observe and enjoy things?! Even so, is there any benefit for me in

doing so? Even if no benefits are there, are not there any harms in

doing so? I need to be careful here.

 

" to have discrimination and curiosity to know, all the art and

sciences … all this indicate towards some spacial purpose of human

birth "

 

Do the elements like curiosity, discrimination etc. make one

superior? As a matter of fact, can any perceivable element make any

one superior? Is such superiority complex the one that is one's

major misery in this life? I understand that the urge to feel

special is called pride which is the back bone of the human ego. If

you think otherwise, pl. let me know.

 

" there is hardly any development in the living being that could be

said to be some what superior to man "

 

The nature has blessed the human with apparently more powerful tools

of survival in a general sense. Yet, humans suffer more than the

rest! Why?! Instead of utilizing the thinking power it has been

blessed with, the humanity has spent all its lives in self-

superiority-promotion. I am not surprised by your urge for

superiority. All humans do. I too do. All think that everything in

the universe is created to felicitate human superiority. Humans can

even imagine the gods to serve them. But yet, they suffer the most …

meekly. Don't you think the humans abuse their so called faculties

to acquire more opaque ignorance than flora and fauna around

pretending to know under the canopy of ignorance? If not, why there

are only handful of incidences of Vyasa, Shankara, Jesus,

Paramahamsa, Ramana amongst the zillions of human lives that have

been consumed in the ocean of life on earth?

 

" you are at a status where the further evolution is almost stopped "

 

I am certain that I have not understood the creation or evolution

even a bit. I do not think that I can ever understand whether is has

started or stopped or where it stands now. Certainly, I am not (and

I can never be) the authority over it. Therefore, I have no comments

on this.

 

" …finally merging into nothingness "

 

Finally, I feel you are talking something that is of use to me. Yes,

if we utilize our faculties humbly to be one with that nothingness

that you are speaking off … the life is worth it. But don't you see

that The Nothingness is the invariant wherein no purpose of ours can

withstand even for a moment? Don't you see that it is the " purpose

of life " conceived by the human brain that has entangled him/her

within this brain not allowing him/her to merge with The Truth, The

Nothingness?

 

In my opinion, all the purposes of our lives have been concocted by

our egos to promote this notion of superiority over the rest

directly or indirectly … some times hidden even in spiritual

aspirations. Until the purpose of life exists in me, my

understanding is that I am not willing to relinquish my ownership on

actions, knowledge and experience. In that case, how can I ever

attain The Truth with the help of any such purpose?

 

I still reiterate the same that I uttered before … The ONLY Purpose

that is useful in this life is to realize that all the purposes of

our lives are just concoctions brewed within our tiny brains and

experience that such concoctions are the very bondages that have

imprisoned us within our perceived illusive and evasive worlds of

notions and ideas. In other words, The Purpose of spirituality is to

drop all the purposes, the associated ownership, bondage and burden

of our lives altogether.

 

This is my apparent understanding at this point of time. I may not

be able to observe and recognize my ignorance in it, which is quite

possible knowing the chains of ignorance I have unearthed in myself

so far. Therefore, I request you to teach me if you think otherwise.

 

Thank You.

 

Respects.

 

Naga Narayana.

----

Respected G.vaidyanathan ji..

My Gratitde for posting the Acharya Swami Ramsukdasji maharaj..

swamiji revealed the essence of His Knowledge in simple words..

our humble parnaams to Swami ji..

as Brother krishna Gopal wrote..

We are nityamukta..

we do not need Moksa (liberation)..as atma is nityamukta (eternally

free)..

we play bounded as IT IS HIS WILL.. As we are ready..His sanctions

frees the soul to Do His Work in the world.

you are mere nimitmaatram. (an instrument).

" all that is done in the Universe It is Divine through His shakti is

behind all action, but He is veiled by his Yogamaya and acting

through the ego of the Jiva......'

Nature cannot be satisfied with the present human evolutionary level..

as we are sanatan ansh (part , ray of) of Ishwara (God Consciousness).

ck kaul

 

 

 

, " sadhak_insight "

<sadhak_insight wrote:

>

> Message of Swamiji clearly brings out the purpose of life.

> G.Vaidyanathan.

>

> sadhaka

> sadhak_insight

> Tue, 8 Apr 2008 03:34:54 -0700

> [sadhaka] Purpose of LIfe (April 8, 2008)

>

> :Shree Hari:

>

> 8th April, 2008, Tuesday

> Chaitra Shukla Tritiya, Vikram Samvat 2064, Mangalvar

>

> God, by showering His grace has blessed us with four things - 1)

this

> human life, 2) the understanding 3) the means and 4) the

> capabilities. These four things have been given to us primarily for

> the purpose of realizing the Truth (attaining salvation, God or

Self

> Realization).

>

> A very important point here is that the time, the means, the

> understanding and the competencies that we currently have, if we

> engage them all in realizing the Truth (God, Self) then perfection

> (realization) in human life can be achieved. We have already been

> provided all that is needed for God Realization. And if there is

any

> thing lacking (deficiencies), then God will fulfill those

> deficiencies Himself. The kingdom of God is open at all times for

> everyone.

>

> It is said in the Ramcharitramanasa - " Kabahu kari karunaa ner

dehi;

> Det is binu hetu sanehi. " (Manasa 7:43:3)

> In man there is a feeling of uncertainty, how can I realize God?

> However, this life, this birth is only for this purpose. There is

no

> other purpose. Yet deep within us lingers this thought, this subtle

> doubt, that are we really capable ? Are we really worthy? This

> feeling of unworthiness, is the greatest obstacle in realizing God.

> Just like a mother always accepts her child in her lap, no matter

how

> good or bad he is. The child is ever entitled to be in his mother's

> lap. Similarly we are all eligible for God Realization, no matter

> what we are.

>

> God says in the Gita " Api chetsuduraachaaro, bhajate maam ananya

bhaak

> Saadhureva sa mantavyah samyagvyavasitohi saha " (Gita 9:30)

> Simply speaking, even if the worst of sinners becomes Mine, he

should

> be considered a saint, because he is determined to turn towards Me,

> says God. Only due to his firm determination. Once this

determination

> is made, can wrongful actions become obstacles in God Realization?

Is

> God so very weak that He will be stalled by few actions?

>

> Pay attention to this verse. It is mentioned here that God, is a

well-

> wisher without any motive, and simply by His grace He has bestowed

> this human life on us, so that we can become free from sorrows and

> attain Him. The implication here is that God intends for our

> upliftment, our benediction. So with a little effort on our part,

His

> intention will come true.

>

> In summary the purpose of life is to serve others, to realize the

> truth (Self) and to believe in God as our very own. It is for

these,

> that this human life, this human birth has been received.

>

> From Discourse in Hindi by Swami Ramsukhdasji

>

> Ram Ram

> --

> All life have one purpose but is different for different people.

This

> purpose is liberation or MOXA but each one of us as per ones'

> swabhaav (innate nature) is near and far from this end goal, and

> therefore have different goals in short term. Life is a journey

and

> as we go up in understanding, our attachments with world reduces

and

> as we know the abstract, we get MOXA in step by step.

>

> MOXA is liberation and it is purpose of life. Liberation from

disese,

> liberation from hunger, liberation from ignorance, liberation from

> unwanted controls, liberation to work as per own wish, liberation

to

> work for self and family, liberation to work for community, and

> liberation for self and all. Scientists are doing work of

inventing

> medicines, engineers build machines, saints do the preachng,

soldiers

> do the war in defense, and so on. Each one is to do

his/her 'niyat

> karma' as per given swabhaav (nature)because it is only

justification

> of life at that moment. When swabhav (dharma) gets improved the

work

> also changes, and you find a laywer like Gandhi becoming replica of

> Kabir.

> This is BHAGWAT GITA from begining to the end

> Regards

> Krishna Gopal

>

> --

> dear naganarayan ji.

> there is lot of flora and founa arround us which no other species

> other than humans can recognise and enjoy why is and what is the

> purpose of such variety. Now all the living beings are born with

> their torso in line with the earth axis. Strangely it is the man

> only who has his torso perpendicular to the earth axis. Certainly a

> point to be probed and understood. Then, when it is the purpose of

> living and dying why to have discrimination and curiosity to know,

> all the art and sciences. Definitly all this indicate towards some

> spacial purpose of human birth. Not merely living a quality living.

> When you probe into the cosmic evolution you will see that from

> nothingness ( nirakar) cosmic projection of matter came into

> existence further development in the same evolution brought in the

> living species finally culminating at the birth of human life.. now

> history speaks that there is hardly any development in the living

> being that could be said to be some what superior to man. Thus you

> are at a status where the further evolution is almost stopped. This

> in itself indicates that man is at the threshold of finally merging

> into nothingness thus completing the cycle of evolution which

started

> from nothingnees and goes back to the same nothingness. Which in

> terms of sprit is called self realisation, freedom from the cycle

of

> reincarnation. i have tried to give you the totality of the purpose

> of human birth in nut shell. In case you want further clarification

> please feel free to communicate with me thanks and lots of love and

> blessings ck kaul

> --

> dear all brothers and sisters on this forum

> my humble parnaams to ALL

> why to loose your sleep..

> The Yoga means giving charge of your LIfe to The Supreme..

> Let Her take care of you and Your fraility.

> But you need to Surrender; this is the Secret

> and the Key to the puzzle of Life

> Mystery is solved once you feel Her Hand in your Life..

> why worry..

> the Key to evolution is Dharma,

> Explore the true meaning of Dharma and follow the dharma.

> the first step of this Journey...

> thanks...

> kuldip

>

> --

> Dear Friends,

>

> The purpose of life is to have a goal and work towards it. Even

> striving " to not have a purpose " is a goal and one obviously works

> for it.

>

> girish desai

>

> --

-

> , " sadhak_insight "

> <sadhak_insight@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Friend:

> >

> > This a question that has burnt me quite a bit … I lost sleep for

> > many months on this …

> >

> > The purpose of The Life cannot be determined by us as we remain

> > miniscule specs in the infinite ocean of Life. At best, we can say

> > that the purpose of The Life is Itself. I consider the question

> > as " what is the purpose of an individual in its life? "

> >

> > It is the survival program that creates this notion of purpose of

> > life in us. The ego is created to generate an identity for an

> > individual. The system is steered by the ego to enhance and

protect

> > this identity. That is the reason we always feel one with this

body-

> > mind cluster and always think that " I am this body/mind " .

Obviously,

> > the ego has to take a stand of being a guardian to safeguard this

> > system in its duty. Its job is secured as far as there is a

request

> > for help from the system. The ego generates relations with the

rest

> > of the world to steer the system in the physical world and happens

> > to understand the adversities around that continuously threaten

the

> > individual system's survival. The purpose of the ego is to nurture

> > and safeguard the individual system at any cost. Therefore, to

> > protect its own survival it craves to look forward for reasons how

> > it can execute its job " save the system " . In a sense it

assures " job

> > security " to itself by imagining that it is the sole care-taker of

> > the individual system and the relations it has established with

the

> > external world. As a result, it develops a sense of ownership and

> > authority over the system, its relations as well as, the related

> > objects. The apparent purpose of life of an individual is to

> > establish, protect and enhance this ownership and authority. From

> > ego's point of view, life ends in the absence of itself which is

in

> > a way true because it always interprets the life as its perpetual

> > association with the individual body-mind cluster, its relations

> > with the world and the related objects in the world. But, its true

> > worry is its own oblivion as a result of the potential loss of

> life –

> > which again is the body-mind cluster and its worldly possession

> > that it owns in its understanding.

> >

> > The very notion of " the purpose of life " is generated for its

ever-

> > lasting and never-achieved quest for eternity within its

authority.

> > It poses this question to itself whenever there is a threat to

> life –

> > that is its own existence. The quest in the background is " Is

> there

> > any benefit for me? If so, let me encourage the environment. Is

> > there is any threat for my existence? Then let me thwart the

> > environment. If not possible, let me escape at least. " Basically,

> > the purpose of life for the ego is a perpetual saga of diplomacy,

> > fight and escape with reference to its environment. Due to the

> > notion of existence it has created for itself it is perpetually

> > chased by fears that threaten its growth and existence while it

> > eternally chases the desires that show potential congeniality to

its

> > existence and growth. It believes that the only fuel that can be

> > adapted in its journey to successfully achieve its ends – to

acquire

> > and safeguard ownership – is this notion, THE PURPOSE OF LIFE! It

> > hangs on to it so dearly that no one can literally fight against

it.

> > One has to satisfy this guardian of all actions to take up any

> > action – that is the authority ego has assigned to its own notion.

> > Even in spirituality, one has to appease this gate keeper to

explore

> > any possibilities outside. The fellow is really sticky and won't

let

> > you free of itself all through your exploration just like

> > Nakshatrika on King Harischandra's shoulder.

> >

> > In fact, the " purpose of life " is the biggest hurdle for the

> > progress in spirituality since it is this notion that empowers the

> > ego steadfast against a spiritual quest. Unless one faces it

> > correctly, it is impossible to face the ego … and hence impossible

> > to drop ownership … and hence impossible to attain The Bliss void

of

> > desires and fears.

> >

> > As spiritual seekers, we need to acknowledge and respect this

> > fellow – the purpose of life – in proper light. In my opinion, the

> > purpose of spirituality is to seek the same in this purpose of

life

> > to eliminate all the purposes of life imagined by oneself. The

> > purpose of spirituality drops off automatically in the absence of

> > the rest of the purposes.

> >

> > My understanding on this quest is: Do not try to look for the

> > purpose. Become the purpose. Be the purpose. As Tilakji has

> > beautifully observed – the pot never seeks the purpose of its

> > creation ... why us? The pot instantly becomes the purpose … why

not

> > us?

> >

> > Respects.

> >

> > Naga Narayana.

> >

-

> > my dear divine souls!

> >

> > my humble parnaams.......

> >

> > The purpose of Life is only... to Know Thy Self..

> > when we focus our energies in wordly pursuits..

> > we are in the Nature of Ignorance and do not understand the

Meaning

> > of life.

> >

> > We humans have reached the final stage of evolution where we have

> the

> > mind, and we can the understanding of what is Ultimate good and

what

> > is evil in us.

> > We in the very nature are God in disguise.. Ishwar is our true

natue

> > who is Love, Beauty, Power, Knowledge..Bliss (Ananda), but we are

> > here not experiencing these attributes of God.

> > so the purpose of Life is only to arrive at our True Nature..

> >

> > Janam mritu jara vyadhi dukh doshanu darshnam..

> > A keen perception of the defective nature of the ordinary physical

> > man and its aimless and painful subjection to birth, death,

disease

> > and age..bg.13 9

> >

> > thanks...

> > kuldip

> >

> >

-

> >

> > The purpose of Life is to be useful to others, both animate and

> > inanimate and help without any expectation of rewards and achieve

> the

> > goal of NO REBIRTH.

> >

> > G.Vaidyanathan

> >

> >

-

> > If we all believe and to the Vedantic thoughts, then the

> > purpose of life is to get redemption from the cycle of death,

> rebirth

> > etc brought about by our limitless karmas. Gita clearly says that

we

> > are bound in this Samsara and unless we surrender to Him totally,

> > (Chapter 18 Sloka 66) there is no way that we could obtain

salvation

> > on our own. He is the only one who has the Power to wipe out all

our

> > karmas (both good and bad) that would enable us to be in eternal

> > bliss with Him. After this total surrender, we continue to live

in a

> > detached way leading a Dharmic life and simply wait for the final

> > salvation until our time comes to depart from this

world. " Detached "

> > does not mean we do not look after our family or the society. It

is

> > performing our dharmic karmas without expectation of any reward.

The

> > outcome of our action is also surrendered to Lord krishna.

> >

> > I believe this is the essence and purpose of life. Since we have

put

> > our trust in Him, it is for Him to look after us during the rest

of

> > our life.

> >

> > Humble servant of the God

> > G Rangarajan

> >

-

> > Dear Sadhakas,

> >

> > Virtue and vice, happiness and sorrow are all attributes of the

> mind,

> > not of Yourself, O All-pervading One!

> > You are neither the " doer " nor the " enjoyer " . Indeed, you are

ever-

> > free!!!

> >

> > Dharma Dharmau Sukham Dukham Manasani na te vibho

> > Na Karta-si na Bhogta-si Mukta evasi sarvada

> > (Ashtawakra Gita Chapter 1 verse 6)

> >

> > As long as there is the EGO....this identity with the BODY, MIND &

> > INTELLECT, will keep us all in the dualities of life. The sense

> > of 'doership' and/or 'enjoyership' gives the feeling of good &

bad,

> > happiness & unhappiness, joy & sorrow. The moment....ego

> > disappears....the identity also disappears and the true Eternal

> > Blissful Self appears..where there are no questions or confusions.

> >

> > Hare Ram Hare Ram

> > Ram Ram Hare Hare

> > Hare Krishna Hare Krishna

> > Krishna Krsihna Hare Hare

> >

> > Abhinav Mehta

> >

> >

> > Life loses its purpose unless guided by God.

> > Many cultures have within their lore stories similar to Hänsel and

> > Gretel, a tale of Germanic origin and adapted by the Brothers

Grimm:

> > people happy and cared for, subsequent misfortune, loss, apparent

> > escape, even greater danger and final deliverance. When the

> children are lost in the woods we read these words: " ...as (Hänsel)

> walked through the trees, he left a trail of crumbs behind him to

> mark the way. "

> >

> > How often do we feel like these lost children, wandering through a

> > life that seems dark with dangerous shadows, not only unsure of

our

> > destination, but uncertain which fork of the road to take.

Perhaps

> it

> > is job uncertainty, or career choices or relationship questions.

> Sometimes it is even doubt about God's love or leading. What are

some

> crumbs on the path to mark our way?

> >

> > Author John Baillie writes, " I thank Thee that this Christian way

> > whereon I walk is no untried or uncharted road, but a road beaten

> > hard by the footsteps of saints, apostles, prophets, and martyrs.

I

> > thank Thee for the finger-posts and danger signals with which it

is

> > marked at every turning and which may be known to me through

study

> of

> > the Bible and of all history, and of all the great literature of

the

> > world. "

> >

> > God often directs us through the quiet voice of his Spirit

speaking

> to

> > the inner places of our own spirits, but He has also given us more

> > visible crumbs along the way. It is of vital importance that we

> pay

> > close attention to those crumbs.

> >

> > Bread crumbs don't seem like much, Lord, but sometimes those

crumbs

> > are all we have to follow. Thank you that through your Holy

Spirit

> the

> > crumbs can be magnified and thus visible to our seeking eyes.

> >

> > yeshu rathenam

> >

> > Adarniya Bhaktjan,

> >

> > Praman

> >

> > I am writing below about the Purpose of life which may be useful

in

> > doing spirituality.

> >

> > From a spiritual perspective, there are two generic reasons why we

> > are born. These reasons define the purpose of our lives at the

most

> > basic level. They are:

> > - To complete the give-and-take account we have with various

> people -

> > - To make spiritual progress with the final aim of merging into

God

> > and therefore getting out of the cycle of birth and death.

> >

> > Completing our give-and-take account

> > Over many lifetimes, we accumulate many give-and-take accounts

that

> > are a direct result of our deeds and actions. The accounts may be

> > positive or negative depending on the positive or negative nature

of

> > our actions. As a rule of thumb, in the current era approximately

> 65%

> > of our lives are destined (not within our control) and 35% of our

> > lives are governed by our own freewill. All major events in our

life

> > are by and large destined. These events include our birth, the

> family

> > we are born into, the person (or persons) we marry, the children

we

> > have, serious illnesses and the time of our death. The happiness

and

> > pain that we give and receive from loved ones and acquaintances

are

> > by and large simply a case of prior give-and-take accounts

directing

> > the way relationships unravel and play out.

> >

> > However even our destiny in the current lifetime is just a

fraction

> > of the accumulated give-and take account that we amass over many

> > lifetimes.

> > In our lifetime, while we do complete our give-and-take account

and

> > destiny earmarked for this particular lifetime of ours, we also

end

> > up creating more accounts by using our wilful action. This in turn

> > finally adds up to our overall give-and-take account known as the

> > accumulated account. As a result, we have to be born again to

settle

> > further give-and-take accounts and are stuck in the cycle of birth

> > and death.

> >

> > Making spiritual progress

> > The ultimate in spiritual development in any Spiritual path is

> > merging with God. `Merging with God' means experiencing God

within

> us

> > and all around us and not identifying with our five senses, mind

and

> > intellect. This happens at the 100% spiritual level. Most people

in

> > today's world are at the 20-25% spiritual level and are

disinclined

> > to any spiritual practice for spiritual development. They also

> > heavily identify with their 5 senses, mind and intellect. This is

> > reflected in our lives when we focus mainly on our looks or are

> > arrogant about our intelligence or success.

> >

> > By spiritual practice when we grow to the spiritual level of 80%,

we

> > are liberated from the cycle of birth and death. After this

> spiritual

> > level, we can settle whatever remaining give-and-take accounts we

> > have from the higher subtle realms of Mahaaloka and above.

Sometimes

> > however, people above the 80% spiritual level may choose to be

born

> > on Earth to guide humanity in Spirituality.

> >

> > Rahul Kinger

> >

-

> > , " sadhak_insight "

> > <sadhak_insight@> wrote:

> > >

> > > I request SWAMI SHRI RAMSUKHDASJI to comments and provide some

> > > guidance so that we can generate more opnions and awareness on

> this

> > > subject.

> > >

> > > Thanks. Namaste.

> > >

> > > Darshan Goswami

> > >

> > > -----------------------------

> > >

> > > Dear Sir,

> > >

> > > I am a student of Gita. I am also a student of world history.

> > >

> > > The Purpose of Living is a constant theme of the Perennial

> > > Philosophy ie. Vedanta.

> > >

> > > I have always been inspired by the thoughts of the Roman emperor

> > > Marcus Aurelius who I believe was a true Vedantin in his

approach

> > to

> > > the question " What is the purpose of Human life " .

> > >

> > > I reproduce below his notes from his famous book " Meditations " .

> > Hope

> > > it might be of interest to members of your cyber-satsangh.

> > >

> > > Best regds,

> > > daasan Sudarshan MK

> > >

> > > **************************

> > > " Remember two things:

> > >

> > > 1. that everything has always been the same, and keeps

recurring,

> > > and it makes no difference whether you see the same things

recur

> in

> > > a hundred years or two hundred or in an infinite period;

> > >

> > > 2. that the longest-lived and those who will die soonest lose

the

> > > same thing. The present is all that they can give up, since

that

> is

> > > all you have, and what you do not have, you cannot lose.

> > >

> > > " The human soul degrades itself:

> > >

> > > 1. above all when it does its best to become an abscess, a kind

of

> > > detached growth on the world. To be disgruntled at anything that

> > > happens is a kind of secession from Nature, which comprises the

> > > nature of all things.

> > >

> > > 2. when it turns its back on another person or sets out to harm

to

> > > do it harm, as the souls of the angry do.

> > >

> > > 3. when it is overpowered by pleasure or pain.

> > >

> > > 4. when it puts on a mask and does or says something artificial

or

> > > false.

> > >

> > > 5. when it allows its actions and impulse to be without a

purpose,

> > > to be random and disconnected: even the smallest things ought

to

> be

> > > directed toward a goal. But the goal of rational beings is to

> follow

> > > the rule and law of the most ancient of communities and states.

> > >

> > > ************

> > >

> > > " Human Life:

> > >

> > > Duration: momentary

> > > Nature: changeable

> > > Perception: dim

> > > Condition of Body: decaying

> > > Soul: spinning around

> > > Fortune: unpredictable

> > > Lasting fame: uncertain

> > >

> > > Sum Up: the body and its parts are a river, the soul a dream and

> > > mist, life is warfare and a journey far from home, lasting

> > > reputation is oblivion.

> > >

> > > Then what guides us? Only philosophy.

> > >

> > > Which means making sure that the power within stays safe and

free

> > > from assault, above pleasure and pain, doing nothing randomly or

> > > dishonestly and with imposture, not dependent on anyone else's

> doing

> > > something or not doing it. And making sure that it accepts what

> > > happens happens and what it is dealt as coming from the same

place

> > > it came from. And above all, that it accepts death in a cheerful

> > > spirit, as nothing but the dissolution of the elements from

which

> > > each living thing is composed. If it doesnt hurt the individual

> > > elements to change continually into one another, why are people

> > > afraid of all of them changing and separating? It's a natural

> > thing.

> > > And nothing natural is evil. "

> > >

> > > *********************

> > >

> > > Warm Regards,

> > > Sudarshan

> > >

> > > " A life is perhaps worth nothing; but nothing certainly is

worth

> > as

> > > much as life " .

> > > (Andre Malraux)

> > >

> > > -------------------------------

--

> -

> > > Dear friends,

> > > The purpose of life is to be Happy. Every one is trying to be

> > happy.

> > > However, most people do not know what happiness is. Without the

> > > Knowledge of what happiness is how can one attain happiness. It

is

> > > like someone who have never seen a mango and trying to buy one

in

> a

> > > shopping center. He is totally dependent on others. There is a

> very

> > > good analysis of the purpose of life and the happiness in Gita

> > > Rahasya by BG Tilak.

> > > I strongly recommend the chapter on Happiness and Unhappiness in

> > > this book. My final conclusion is at the bottom. How you

proceed

> in

> > > life and all the value system can be derived from what

happiness

> is

> > > and how to achieve eternal happiness. Bhagvat Gita is an

> > > indispensable guide to attaining this eternal happiness.

> > > basant tariyal

> > >

> > > ---------------------------

> > > When I create a pot out of mud, the pot - (the creation) does

not

> > > know the purpose for which it is being created. Only the creator

> > > knows why he made the creation. We are born to such and such

> > > parents (as we think of the body level), we are kept here

through

> > > them for doing some of His karmas through this body. Actually

we

> > > are never born and will never die from the Atma level. We humans

> > > think from the physical and mental level only that is why this

> > > confusion.

> > >

> > > vanaja nair

> > > -------------------------------

--

> --

> > > , " sadhak_insight "

> > > <sadhak_insight@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Sadhakas, Namaste!

> > > > The purpose of living is implicit in correct understanding of

> > > life!

> > > > It would seem that living in peace, harmony, love, joy, is

> > > intrinsic

> > > > to our nature.

> > > > If one is joyous, in peace, and loving, one would like to stay

> > > there

> > > > as much as possible. No one would say " let me be unhappy now,

I

> > am

> > > > bored being happy " . However, when one is in pain, unhappy,

> > > restless,

> > > > angry, etc then one would like to push them away as soon as

they

> > > can

> > > > to be in happy state. This shows our true nature is that of

> being

> > > at

> > > > peace, happy, and in harmony with our environment.

> > > > SO the purpose is to live in this way, in line with what God

> > > intends

> > > > us to live.

> > > > All our pursuits are for being happy, be them for money,

power,

> > > > fame, sex, religious following, or whatever one is running

> after.

> > > > One just doesn't know it and considers these pursuits as ends

in

> > > > themselves. Soon he/she forgets the purpose of living and

> > > attributes

> > > > happiness in such objects. One gets attached to them,

depending

> > on

> > > > them for his/her happiness, and starts possessing them at all

> > > costs.

> > > > In this way one gets in conflict with others as each is doing

> the

> > > > same. This is the beginning of suffering. To realize one's

true

> > > > nature being happiness itself, peace itself, harmony itself

and

> > > thus

> > > > doesn't depend on objects is of utmost importance. One has to

> > > > discover the right address of peace and happiness as not

being

> in

> > > > objects but within oneself.

> > > > One is complete as one naturally is made, lacking nothing.

This

> > > > brings happiness in absence or in presence of objects. One

lives

> > > > apparantly individually fulfilling one's role in life where

> > he/she

> > > > is placed by God, doing selfless karmas, guided by dharma and

> > > > preparing for moksha. One lives this with full understanding

> that

> > > > one is not an individual but rather part of totality that

works

> > > > through one's body-mind organism, an instrument to partake in

> > > Divine

> > > > celebration, Leela. THIS IS THE PURPOSE OF LIVING as I see it!

> > > > Namaskar...Pratap

> > > > (Pratap Bhatt)

> > > > ----------------------------

> > > > My current opinion is life`s purpose is not `given`

> > > >

> > > > Everyone has been given the power to exercise his choice to

> > select

> > > > the purpose,and then work towards attaining it.Also as Gita

> > > says,You

> > > > donot have a right to attain the purpose.

> > > >

> > > > At a deeper level,the values one selects to live by can be

> called

> > > a

> > > > purpose.Is this the Dharma?

> > > >

> > > > Bhave.

> > > > (Prakash Bhave)

> > > >

> > > > -----------------------------

> > > > Jai Sitaramjiki.

> > > >

> > > > Reference the above topic for discussion, I request the

> > following:-

> > > >

> > > > It is a very important topic for discussion. However, can we

> > > please

> > > > first have the comments of SWAMI SHRI RAMSUKHDASJI as he must

> > have

> > > > spoken on this subject in his life time. Dhanyavad.

> > > >

> > > > Dhanyavad and Ram Ram.

> > > >

> > > > Bhavdiy

> > > >

> > > > SHER SINGH AGRAWAL

> > > > -----------------------------

> > > > Namaste,

> > > > The purpose of being on this earth, is to remove all VASANAS.

> But

> > > > while living and exhausting vasanas, we also keep adding some

> > more

> > > > vasanas. This gives birth and death to several birth cycles

> > > > (jalmas). The choice is ours. By perfecting our devotion

> (Bakthi)

> > > > one can obtain the resolve (sankalpan) of God (Bagavan) to

give

> > us

> > > > mukthi (salvation).

> > > > B.Sathyanarayan

> > > >

> > > > -----------------------------

--

> > > > Namaste

> > > >

> > > > Is Atma which is present in all living beings is part of

> > Parmatama

> > > > (God)

> > > >

> > > > If yes then all living beings are connected with each other

with

> > > > strongest possible link

> > > >

> > > > Can we communicate with all living beings, other than man,

with

> > > this

> > > > link

> > > >

> > > > Regards

> > > >

> > > > Ramesh Suri

> > > > ---------------------------

> > > > , " sadhak_insight "

> > > > <sadhak_insight@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear MODERATOR,

> > > > >

> > > > > Namaste!

> > > > >

> > > > > I would like to request a discussion on a new

topic, " PURPOSE

> > OF

> > > > > LIVING. " I am not sure if this topic has been discussed

> > before.

> > > I

> > > > > would really appreciate, if you can help me/us understand

the

> > > > answer

> > > > > to this question.

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanks.

> > > > > Regards,

> > > > >

> > > > > Darshan Goswami

> > > > > ----------------------

> > > > >

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> > > > >

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Dear fellow Seekers of truth,

 

It is a well known fact that human birth is special.. All exalted

Souls have proclaimed this fact.. Our authoritative scriptures also

have declared it & is also in lines with our limited experience in

this planet..

The very reason why we are thinking about the purpose of life itself

is the evidence of our speciality..

Humans alone worry about questions like these & yearn for something

higher & nobler than mundane material existance & inturn they are

alone blessed with the capablity to achieve those higher goals in

their very life span.

 

Evolution always continues & has never come to a standstill. Our

creator alone knows where it is all heading to. But as far as our

limited human perception is concerned, it is not incorrect to

say human beings are the most evolved beings in this little planet of

ours at this juncture & they alone are capable of evolving themselves

to further stages. If we look back in history, we can very well see

how humans have evolved in both material & spiritual levels.. Where

as our brothers in animal & plant kingdom are still where they were

1000s of years back.. Had they been capable of this, we'd have seen

them evolving too.. So no doubt, human birth is very special as

they alone are gifted with a discriminative intellect, although it is

again upto them how they make use of this valuable gift from their

creator..

 

Again, if we look at plants & animals, we can see that their behavior

is programmed by instincts. Humans alone are capable of being

consciously aware of their actions, thoughts & tendencies & reprogram

themselves. We are all able to discuss this matter in this forum only

because of these abilities given to us.

 

But if we reflect on why we are discussing it, we'll realise that it

is due to some incompleteness we feel about ourselves at this stage,

be it related to fear of death or uncertainity of the future or

anything else.. And why should we be worried about it unless

completeness is our very true nature itself.. Otherwise

it should not have disturbed us.. Swamiji used to say that hunger

itself is the evidence that there exists something that can satisfy

the hunger..

 

It is also our experience that we all are always behind acquiring

knowledge, which is another reason why we start discussing topics

like this.. This again is nothing but our natural inclination to be

full in knowledge.. And it is also our experience that all our

actions & thoughts are propelled towards gaining happiness, which is

again an attempt by the conditioned Jeeva to regain its

natural state of happiness.. So there is this want to return to that

original state of fullness in each one of us, whether we are aware of

it at this stage or not...

 

So in this conditioned state, we are no longer in our natural state of

completeness or rather not aware of it & knowingly or unknowingly all

our endevours are aimed to take ourselves to that original state

which is described by scriptures as Sat Chit Ananda..

 

Hence all the great souls repeatedly tell us that such a special

human birth is not to be wasted by living like mere animals & running

behind material pursuits. We are to make use of these special

abilities (available to us only when we are in this human form) to

awaken that dormant divinity within each one of us & firmly resolve

to return to our original state. So instead of idling around in

this material world, let us all resolve to return back to our

original abode that we had left long back & long since forgotten.

Let us Hurry Home as Swami Chinmayananda used to say..

 

What else could be the purpose of this Human life?

 

Hari Om

Sarath

(sasidharan sarath)

---------------------------

 

Manushya does not mean two legged man or women. Manu- shya = born

from Manah.

Pashu is not four legged animal but those who oblige to bondage. Shiva

is called PASHUPATI only because he cutts off the contracts and

bondage of cobweb of thoughts. PASHU BALI is not sacrifice of animal

but getting free from all obligations and stay undisturbed.

 

Cow is therefore not PASHU and a businessman bundled with mobile

phones and schedules is not MANUSHYA

 

Naga ji in his statement said " no other species other than humans can

recognise and enjoy why is and what is the purpose of such variety " .

In fact, Tulsi das and even in the Bhagwat Gita and Durga Saptshati,

the desirability of human is not high. Bhagwat gita addreses to Bhoot

(or those in physical disguises). Humans have secondary memory and use

a framework of common references and this faculty is not of use in

animals. This has advantage and disadvantage. By this differentiating

(aakash tatva), humans can have variations on higher as well as lower

sides in extremes. Krishna serviced cow, Ram serviced monkeys, and

Shiva snakes. Animals are less dangerous than humans, and are

dependent on plants and animals for livelihood but whom it did not

serve or care for and exploit it.

 

Regards

K G

(Krishna Gopal)

 

 

, " sadhak_insight "

<sadhak_insight wrote:

>

> Respected Ones :

>

> Thank you very much for taking interest in my utterance. I am

> grateful for that as well as your love and blessings. I need them.

> However, I am helpless but to note couple of things here. Pardon me

> for my prudence. But, my intention is purely to unveil my ignorance

> further for my own benefit.

>

> " no other species other than humans can recognise and enjoy why is

> and what is the purpose of such variety "

>

> I do not think I understand how exactly others truly observe and

> enjoy - not just flora and fauna, even humans. I have observed a

> tendency that I observe, experience and enjoy the best because I

> seem to know only that. Accordingly, we develop tendencies to

> respect what we believe and reject what we do not. We categorically

> claim to have comprehended what we believe and categorically reject

> what we do not comprehend. It is this tendency that is called Maya

> or Ignorance. Do we really have authority to judge how others

> observe and enjoy things?! Even so, is there any benefit for me in

> doing so? Even if no benefits are there, are not there any harms in

> doing so? I need to be careful here.

>

> " to have discrimination and curiosity to know, all the art and

> sciences … all this indicate towards some spacial purpose of human

> birth "

>

> Do the elements like curiosity, discrimination etc. make one

> superior? As a matter of fact, can any perceivable element make any

> one superior? Is such superiority complex the one that is one's

> major misery in this life? I understand that the urge to feel

> special is called pride which is the back bone of the human ego. If

> you think otherwise, pl. let me know.

>

> " there is hardly any development in the living being that could be

> said to be some what superior to man "

>

> The nature has blessed the human with apparently more powerful tools

> of survival in a general sense. Yet, humans suffer more than the

> rest! Why?! Instead of utilizing the thinking power it has been

> blessed with, the humanity has spent all its lives in self-

> superiority-promotion. I am not surprised by your urge for

> superiority. All humans do. I too do. All think that everything in

> the universe is created to felicitate human superiority. Humans can

> even imagine the gods to serve them. But yet, they suffer the most …

> meekly. Don't you think the humans abuse their so called faculties

> to acquire more opaque ignorance than flora and fauna around

> pretending to know under the canopy of ignorance? If not, why there

> are only handful of incidences of Vyasa, Shankara, Jesus,

> Paramahamsa, Ramana amongst the zillions of human lives that have

> been consumed in the ocean of life on earth?

>

> " you are at a status where the further evolution is almost stopped "

>

> I am certain that I have not understood the creation or evolution

> even a bit. I do not think that I can ever understand whether is has

> started or stopped or where it stands now. Certainly, I am not (and

> I can never be) the authority over it. Therefore, I have no comments

> on this.

>

> " …finally merging into nothingness "

>

> Finally, I feel you are talking something that is of use to me. Yes,

> if we utilize our faculties humbly to be one with that nothingness

> that you are speaking off … the life is worth it. But don't you see

> that The Nothingness is the invariant wherein no purpose of ours can

> withstand even for a moment? Don't you see that it is the " purpose

> of life " conceived by the human brain that has entangled him/her

> within this brain not allowing him/her to merge with The Truth, The

> Nothingness?

>

> In my opinion, all the purposes of our lives have been concocted by

> our egos to promote this notion of superiority over the rest

> directly or indirectly … some times hidden even in spiritual

> aspirations. Until the purpose of life exists in me, my

> understanding is that I am not willing to relinquish my ownership on

> actions, knowledge and experience. In that case, how can I ever

> attain The Truth with the help of any such purpose?

>

> I still reiterate the same that I uttered before … The ONLY Purpose

> that is useful in this life is to realize that all the purposes of

> our lives are just concoctions brewed within our tiny brains and

> experience that such concoctions are the very bondages that have

> imprisoned us within our perceived illusive and evasive worlds of

> notions and ideas. In other words, The Purpose of spirituality is to

> drop all the purposes, the associated ownership, bondage and burden

> of our lives altogether.

>

> This is my apparent understanding at this point of time. I may not

> be able to observe and recognize my ignorance in it, which is quite

> possible knowing the chains of ignorance I have unearthed in myself

> so far. Therefore, I request you to teach me if you think otherwise.

>

> Thank You.

>

> Respects.

>

> Naga Narayana.

> --

--

> Respected G.vaidyanathan ji..

> My Gratitde for posting the Acharya Swami Ramsukdasji maharaj..

> swamiji revealed the essence of His Knowledge in simple words..

> our humble parnaams to Swami ji..

> as Brother krishna Gopal wrote..

> We are nityamukta..

> we do not need Moksa (liberation)..as atma is nityamukta (eternally

> free)..

> we play bounded as IT IS HIS WILL.. As we are ready..His sanctions

> frees the soul to Do His Work in the world.

> you are mere nimitmaatram. (an instrument).

> " all that is done in the Universe It is Divine through His shakti

is

> behind all action, but He is veiled by his Yogamaya and acting

> through the ego of the Jiva......'

> Nature cannot be satisfied with the present human evolutionary

level..

> as we are sanatan ansh (part , ray of) of Ishwara (God

Consciousness).

> ck kaul

>

>

>

> , " sadhak_insight "

> <sadhak_insight@> wrote:

> >

> > Message of Swamiji clearly brings out the purpose of life.

> > G.Vaidyanathan.

> >

> > sadhaka

> > sadhak_insight@

> > Tue, 8 Apr 2008 03:34:54 -0700

> > [sadhaka] Purpose of LIfe (April 8, 2008)

> >

> > :Shree Hari:

> >

> > 8th April, 2008, Tuesday

> > Chaitra Shukla Tritiya, Vikram Samvat 2064, Mangalvar

> >

> > God, by showering His grace has blessed us with four things - 1)

> this

> > human life, 2) the understanding 3) the means and 4) the

> > capabilities. These four things have been given to us primarily

for

> > the purpose of realizing the Truth (attaining salvation, God or

> Self

> > Realization).

> >

> > A very important point here is that the time, the means, the

> > understanding and the competencies that we currently have, if we

> > engage them all in realizing the Truth (God, Self) then

perfection

> > (realization) in human life can be achieved. We have already been

> > provided all that is needed for God Realization. And if there is

> any

> > thing lacking (deficiencies), then God will fulfill those

> > deficiencies Himself. The kingdom of God is open at all times for

> > everyone.

> >

> > It is said in the Ramcharitramanasa - " Kabahu kari karunaa ner

> dehi;

> > Det is binu hetu sanehi. " (Manasa 7:43:3)

> > In man there is a feeling of uncertainty, how can I realize God?

> > However, this life, this birth is only for this purpose. There is

> no

> > other purpose. Yet deep within us lingers this thought, this

subtle

> > doubt, that are we really capable ? Are we really worthy? This

> > feeling of unworthiness, is the greatest obstacle in realizing

God.

> > Just like a mother always accepts her child in her lap, no matter

> how

> > good or bad he is. The child is ever entitled to be in his

mother's

> > lap. Similarly we are all eligible for God Realization, no matter

> > what we are.

> >

> > God says in the Gita " Api chetsuduraachaaro, bhajate maam ananya

> bhaak

> > Saadhureva sa mantavyah samyagvyavasitohi saha " (Gita 9:30)

> > Simply speaking, even if the worst of sinners becomes Mine, he

> should

> > be considered a saint, because he is determined to turn towards

Me,

> > says God. Only due to his firm determination. Once this

> determination

> > is made, can wrongful actions become obstacles in God

Realization?

> Is

> > God so very weak that He will be stalled by few actions?

> >

> > Pay attention to this verse. It is mentioned here that God, is a

> well-

> > wisher without any motive, and simply by His grace He has

bestowed

> > this human life on us, so that we can become free from sorrows

and

> > attain Him. The implication here is that God intends for our

> > upliftment, our benediction. So with a little effort on our part,

> His

> > intention will come true.

> >

> > In summary the purpose of life is to serve others, to realize the

> > truth (Self) and to believe in God as our very own. It is for

> these,

> > that this human life, this human birth has been received.

> >

> > From Discourse in Hindi by Swami Ramsukhdasji

> >

> > Ram Ram

> >

--

> > All life have one purpose but is different for different people.

> This

> > purpose is liberation or MOXA but each one of us as per ones'

> > swabhaav (innate nature) is near and far from this end goal, and

> > therefore have different goals in short term. Life is a journey

> and

> > as we go up in understanding, our attachments with world reduces

> and

> > as we know the abstract, we get MOXA in step by step.

> >

> > MOXA is liberation and it is purpose of life. Liberation from

> disese,

> > liberation from hunger, liberation from ignorance, liberation

from

> > unwanted controls, liberation to work as per own wish, liberation

> to

> > work for self and family, liberation to work for community, and

> > liberation for self and all. Scientists are doing work of

> inventing

> > medicines, engineers build machines, saints do the preachng,

> soldiers

> > do the war in defense, and so on. Each one is to do

> his/her 'niyat

> > karma' as per given swabhaav (nature)because it is only

> justification

> > of life at that moment. When swabhav (dharma) gets improved the

> work

> > also changes, and you find a laywer like Gandhi becoming replica

of

> > Kabir.

> > This is BHAGWAT GITA from begining to the end

> > Regards

> > Krishna Gopal

> >

> >

--

> > dear naganarayan ji.

> > there is lot of flora and founa arround us which no other species

> > other than humans can recognise and enjoy why is and what is the

> > purpose of such variety. Now all the living beings are born with

> > their torso in line with the earth axis. Strangely it is the man

> > only who has his torso perpendicular to the earth axis. Certainly

a

> > point to be probed and understood. Then, when it is the purpose

of

> > living and dying why to have discrimination and curiosity to

know,

> > all the art and sciences. Definitly all this indicate towards

some

> > spacial purpose of human birth. Not merely living a quality

living.

> > When you probe into the cosmic evolution you will see that from

> > nothingness ( nirakar) cosmic projection of matter came into

> > existence further development in the same evolution brought in

the

> > living species finally culminating at the birth of human life..

now

> > history speaks that there is hardly any development in the living

> > being that could be said to be some what superior to man. Thus

you

> > are at a status where the further evolution is almost stopped.

This

> > in itself indicates that man is at the threshold of finally

merging

> > into nothingness thus completing the cycle of evolution which

> started

> > from nothingnees and goes back to the same nothingness. Which

in

> > terms of sprit is called self realisation, freedom from the cycle

> of

> > reincarnation. i have tried to give you the totality of the

purpose

> > of human birth in nut shell. In case you want further

clarification

> > please feel free to communicate with me thanks and lots of love

and

> > blessings ck kaul

> >

--

> > dear all brothers and sisters on this forum

> > my humble parnaams to ALL

> > why to loose your sleep..

> > The Yoga means giving charge of your LIfe to The Supreme..

> > Let Her take care of you and Your fraility.

> > But you need to Surrender; this is the Secret

> > and the Key to the puzzle of Life

> > Mystery is solved once you feel Her Hand in your Life..

> > why worry..

> > the Key to evolution is Dharma,

> > Explore the true meaning of Dharma and follow the dharma.

> > the first step of this Journey...

> > thanks...

> > kuldip

> >

> >

--

> > Dear Friends,

> >

> > The purpose of life is to have a goal and work towards it. Even

> > striving " to not have a purpose " is a goal and one obviously

works

> > for it.

> >

> > girish desai

> >

> >

--

> -

> > , " sadhak_insight "

> > <sadhak_insight@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Friend:

> > >

> > > This a question that has burnt me quite a bit … I lost sleep for

> > > many months on this …

> > >

> > > The purpose of The Life cannot be determined by us as we remain

> > > miniscule specs in the infinite ocean of Life. At best, we can

say

> > > that the purpose of The Life is Itself. I consider the question

> > > as " what is the purpose of an individual in its life? "

> > >

> > > It is the survival program that creates this notion of purpose

of

> > > life in us. The ego is created to generate an identity for an

> > > individual. The system is steered by the ego to enhance and

> protect

> > > this identity. That is the reason we always feel one with this

> body-

> > > mind cluster and always think that " I am this body/mind " .

> Obviously,

> > > the ego has to take a stand of being a guardian to safeguard

this

> > > system in its duty. Its job is secured as far as there is a

> request

> > > for help from the system. The ego generates relations with the

> rest

> > > of the world to steer the system in the physical world and

happens

> > > to understand the adversities around that continuously threaten

> the

> > > individual system's survival. The purpose of the ego is to

nurture

> > > and safeguard the individual system at any cost. Therefore, to

> > > protect its own survival it craves to look forward for reasons

how

> > > it can execute its job " save the system " . In a sense it

> assures " job

> > > security " to itself by imagining that it is the sole care-taker

of

> > > the individual system and the relations it has established with

> the

> > > external world. As a result, it develops a sense of ownership

and

> > > authority over the system, its relations as well as, the related

> > > objects. The apparent purpose of life of an individual is to

> > > establish, protect and enhance this ownership and authority.

From

> > > ego's point of view, life ends in the absence of itself which

is

> in

> > > a way true because it always interprets the life as its

perpetual

> > > association with the individual body-mind cluster, its relations

> > > with the world and the related objects in the world. But, its

true

> > > worry is its own oblivion as a result of the potential loss of

> > life –

> > > which again is the body-mind cluster and its worldly

possession

> > > that it owns in its understanding.

> > >

> > > The very notion of " the purpose of life " is generated for its

> ever-

> > > lasting and never-achieved quest for eternity within its

> authority.

> > > It poses this question to itself whenever there is a threat to

> > life –

> > > that is its own existence. The quest in the background is " Is

> > there

> > > any benefit for me? If so, let me encourage the environment. Is

> > > there is any threat for my existence? Then let me thwart the

> > > environment. If not possible, let me escape at least. "

Basically,

> > > the purpose of life for the ego is a perpetual saga of

diplomacy,

> > > fight and escape with reference to its environment. Due to the

> > > notion of existence it has created for itself it is perpetually

> > > chased by fears that threaten its growth and existence while it

> > > eternally chases the desires that show potential congeniality

to

> its

> > > existence and growth. It believes that the only fuel that can be

> > > adapted in its journey to successfully achieve its ends – to

> acquire

> > > and safeguard ownership – is this notion, THE PURPOSE OF LIFE!

It

> > > hangs on to it so dearly that no one can literally fight

against

> it.

> > > One has to satisfy this guardian of all actions to take up any

> > > action – that is the authority ego has assigned to its own

notion.

> > > Even in spirituality, one has to appease this gate keeper to

> explore

> > > any possibilities outside. The fellow is really sticky and

won't

> let

> > > you free of itself all through your exploration just like

> > > Nakshatrika on King Harischandra's shoulder.

> > >

> > > In fact, the " purpose of life " is the biggest hurdle for the

> > > progress in spirituality since it is this notion that empowers

the

> > > ego steadfast against a spiritual quest. Unless one faces it

> > > correctly, it is impossible to face the ego … and hence

impossible

> > > to drop ownership … and hence impossible to attain The Bliss

void

> of

> > > desires and fears.

> > >

> > > As spiritual seekers, we need to acknowledge and respect this

> > > fellow – the purpose of life – in proper light. In my opinion,

the

> > > purpose of spirituality is to seek the same in this purpose of

> life

> > > to eliminate all the purposes of life imagined by oneself. The

> > > purpose of spirituality drops off automatically in the absence

of

> > > the rest of the purposes.

> > >

> > > My understanding on this quest is: Do not try to look for the

> > > purpose. Become the purpose. Be the purpose. As Tilakji has

> > > beautifully observed – the pot never seeks the purpose of its

> > > creation ... why us? The pot instantly becomes the purpose …

why

> not

> > > us?

> > >

> > > Respects.

> > >

> > > Naga Narayana.

> > > -------------------------------

--

> -

> > > my dear divine souls!

> > >

> > > my humble parnaams.......

> > >

> > > The purpose of Life is only... to Know Thy Self..

> > > when we focus our energies in wordly pursuits..

> > > we are in the Nature of Ignorance and do not understand the

> Meaning

> > > of life.

> > >

> > > We humans have reached the final stage of evolution where we

have

> > the

> > > mind, and we can the understanding of what is Ultimate good and

> what

> > > is evil in us.

> > > We in the very nature are God in disguise.. Ishwar is our true

> natue

> > > who is Love, Beauty, Power, Knowledge..Bliss (Ananda), but we

are

> > > here not experiencing these attributes of God.

> > > so the purpose of Life is only to arrive at our True Nature..

> > >

> > > Janam mritu jara vyadhi dukh doshanu darshnam..

> > > A keen perception of the defective nature of the ordinary

physical

> > > man and its aimless and painful subjection to birth, death,

> disease

> > > and age..bg.13 9

> > >

> > > thanks...

> > > kuldip

> > >

> > > -------------------------------

--

> -

> > >

> > > The purpose of Life is to be useful to others, both animate and

> > > inanimate and help without any expectation of rewards and

achieve

> > the

> > > goal of NO REBIRTH.

> > >

> > > G.Vaidyanathan

> > >

> > > -------------------------------

--

> -

> > > If we all believe and to the Vedantic thoughts, then

the

> > > purpose of life is to get redemption from the cycle of death,

> > rebirth

> > > etc brought about by our limitless karmas. Gita clearly says

that

> we

> > > are bound in this Samsara and unless we surrender to Him

totally,

> > > (Chapter 18 Sloka 66) there is no way that we could obtain

> salvation

> > > on our own. He is the only one who has the Power to wipe out

all

> our

> > > karmas (both good and bad) that would enable us to be in eternal

> > > bliss with Him. After this total surrender, we continue to live

> in a

> > > detached way leading a Dharmic life and simply wait for the

final

> > > salvation until our time comes to depart from this

> world. " Detached "

> > > does not mean we do not look after our family or the society.

It

> is

> > > performing our dharmic karmas without expectation of any

reward.

> The

> > > outcome of our action is also surrendered to Lord krishna.

> > >

> > > I believe this is the essence and purpose of life. Since we

have

> put

> > > our trust in Him, it is for Him to look after us during the

rest

> of

> > > our life.

> > >

> > > Humble servant of the God

> > > G Rangarajan

> > > -------------------------------

--

> -

> > > Dear Sadhakas,

> > >

> > > Virtue and vice, happiness and sorrow are all attributes of the

> > mind,

> > > not of Yourself, O All-pervading One!

> > > You are neither the " doer " nor the " enjoyer " . Indeed, you are

> ever-

> > > free!!!

> > >

> > > Dharma Dharmau Sukham Dukham Manasani na te vibho

> > > Na Karta-si na Bhogta-si Mukta evasi sarvada

> > > (Ashtawakra Gita Chapter 1 verse 6)

> > >

> > > As long as there is the EGO....this identity with the BODY,

MIND &

> > > INTELLECT, will keep us all in the dualities of life. The sense

> > > of 'doership' and/or 'enjoyership' gives the feeling of good &

> bad,

> > > happiness & unhappiness, joy & sorrow. The moment....ego

> > > disappears....the identity also disappears and the true Eternal

> > > Blissful Self appears..where there are no questions or

confusions.

> > >

> > > Hare Ram Hare Ram

> > > Ram Ram Hare Hare

> > > Hare Krishna Hare Krishna

> > > Krishna Krsihna Hare Hare

> > >

> > > Abhinav Mehta

> > >

> > > -------------------------------

--

> > > Life loses its purpose unless guided by God.

> > > Many cultures have within their lore stories similar to Hänsel

and

> > > Gretel, a tale of Germanic origin and adapted by the Brothers

> Grimm:

> > > people happy and cared for, subsequent misfortune, loss,

apparent

> > > escape, even greater danger and final deliverance. When the

> > children are lost in the woods we read these words: " ...as

(Hänsel)

> > walked through the trees, he left a trail of crumbs behind him to

> > mark the way. "

> > >

> > > How often do we feel like these lost children, wandering

through a

> > > life that seems dark with dangerous shadows, not only unsure of

> our

> > > destination, but uncertain which fork of the road to take.

> Perhaps

> > it

> > > is job uncertainty, or career choices or relationship

questions.

> > Sometimes it is even doubt about God's love or leading. What are

> some

> > crumbs on the path to mark our way?

> > >

> > > Author John Baillie writes, " I thank Thee that this Christian

way

> > > whereon I walk is no untried or uncharted road, but a road

beaten

> > > hard by the footsteps of saints, apostles, prophets, and

martyrs.

> I

> > > thank Thee for the finger-posts and danger signals with which

it

> is

> > > marked at every turning and which may be known to me through

> study

> > of

> > > the Bible and of all history, and of all the great literature

of

> the

> > > world. "

> > >

> > > God often directs us through the quiet voice of his Spirit

> speaking

> > to

> > > the inner places of our own spirits, but He has also given us

more

> > > visible crumbs along the way. It is of vital importance that

we

> > pay

> > > close attention to those crumbs.

> > >

> > > Bread crumbs don't seem like much, Lord, but sometimes those

> crumbs

> > > are all we have to follow. Thank you that through your Holy

> Spirit

> > the

> > > crumbs can be magnified and thus visible to our seeking eyes.

> > >

> > > yeshu rathenam

> > > -------------------------------

--

> > > Adarniya Bhaktjan,

> > >

> > > Praman

> > >

> > > I am writing below about the Purpose of life which may be

useful

> in

> > > doing spirituality.

> > >

> > > From a spiritual perspective, there are two generic reasons why

we

> > > are born. These reasons define the purpose of our lives at the

> most

> > > basic level. They are:

> > > - To complete the give-and-take account we have with various

> > people -

> > > - To make spiritual progress with the final aim of merging

into

> God

> > > and therefore getting out of the cycle of birth and death.

> > >

> > > Completing our give-and-take account

> > > Over many lifetimes, we accumulate many give-and-take accounts

> that

> > > are a direct result of our deeds and actions. The accounts may

be

> > > positive or negative depending on the positive or negative

nature

> of

> > > our actions. As a rule of thumb, in the current era

approximately

> > 65%

> > > of our lives are destined (not within our control) and 35% of

our

> > > lives are governed by our own freewill. All major events in our

> life

> > > are by and large destined. These events include our birth, the

> > family

> > > we are born into, the person (or persons) we marry, the

children

> we

> > > have, serious illnesses and the time of our death. The

happiness

> and

> > > pain that we give and receive from loved ones and acquaintances

> are

> > > by and large simply a case of prior give-and-take accounts

> directing

> > > the way relationships unravel and play out.

> > >

> > > However even our destiny in the current lifetime is just a

> fraction

> > > of the accumulated give-and take account that we amass over many

> > > lifetimes.

> > > In our lifetime, while we do complete our give-and-take account

> and

> > > destiny earmarked for this particular lifetime of ours, we also

> end

> > > up creating more accounts by using our wilful action. This in

turn

> > > finally adds up to our overall give-and-take account known as

the

> > > accumulated account. As a result, we have to be born again to

> settle

> > > further give-and-take accounts and are stuck in the cycle of

birth

> > > and death.

> > >

> > > Making spiritual progress

> > > The ultimate in spiritual development in any Spiritual path is

> > > merging with God. `Merging with God' means experiencing God

> within

> > us

> > > and all around us and not identifying with our five senses,

mind

> and

> > > intellect. This happens at the 100% spiritual level. Most

people

> in

> > > today's world are at the 20-25% spiritual level and are

> disinclined

> > > to any spiritual practice for spiritual development. They also

> > > heavily identify with their 5 senses, mind and intellect. This

is

> > > reflected in our lives when we focus mainly on our looks or are

> > > arrogant about our intelligence or success.

> > >

> > > By spiritual practice when we grow to the spiritual level of

80%,

> we

> > > are liberated from the cycle of birth and death. After this

> > spiritual

> > > level, we can settle whatever remaining give-and-take accounts

we

> > > have from the higher subtle realms of Mahaaloka and above.

> Sometimes

> > > however, people above the 80% spiritual level may choose to be

> born

> > > on Earth to guide humanity in Spirituality.

> > >

> > > Rahul Kinger

> > > -------------------------------

--

> -

> > > , " sadhak_insight "

> > > <sadhak_insight@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > I request SWAMI SHRI RAMSUKHDASJI to comments and provide some

> > > > guidance so that we can generate more opnions and awareness

on

> > this

> > > > subject.

> > > >

> > > > Thanks. Namaste.

> > > >

> > > > Darshan Goswami

> > > >

> > > > -----------------------------

> > > >

> > > > Dear Sir,

> > > >

> > > > I am a student of Gita. I am also a student of world history.

> > > >

> > > > The Purpose of Living is a constant theme of the Perennial

> > > > Philosophy ie. Vedanta.

> > > >

> > > > I have always been inspired by the thoughts of the Roman

emperor

> > > > Marcus Aurelius who I believe was a true Vedantin in his

> approach

> > > to

> > > > the question " What is the purpose of Human life " .

> > > >

> > > > I reproduce below his notes from his famous

book " Meditations " .

> > > Hope

> > > > it might be of interest to members of your cyber-satsangh.

> > > >

> > > > Best regds,

> > > > daasan Sudarshan MK

> > > >

> > > > **************************

> > > > " Remember two things:

> > > >

> > > > 1. that everything has always been the same, and keeps

> recurring,

> > > > and it makes no difference whether you see the same things

> recur

> > in

> > > > a hundred years or two hundred or in an infinite period;

> > > >

> > > > 2. that the longest-lived and those who will die soonest lose

> the

> > > > same thing. The present is all that they can give up, since

> that

> > is

> > > > all you have, and what you do not have, you cannot lose.

> > > >

> > > > " The human soul degrades itself:

> > > >

> > > > 1. above all when it does its best to become an abscess, a

kind

> of

> > > > detached growth on the world. To be disgruntled at anything

that

> > > > happens is a kind of secession from Nature, which comprises

the

> > > > nature of all things.

> > > >

> > > > 2. when it turns its back on another person or sets out to

harm

> to

> > > > do it harm, as the souls of the angry do.

> > > >

> > > > 3. when it is overpowered by pleasure or pain.

> > > >

> > > > 4. when it puts on a mask and does or says something

artificial

> or

> > > > false.

> > > >

> > > > 5. when it allows its actions and impulse to be without a

> purpose,

> > > > to be random and disconnected: even the smallest things ought

> to

> > be

> > > > directed toward a goal. But the goal of rational beings is to

> > follow

> > > > the rule and law of the most ancient of communities and

states.

> > > >

> > > > ************

> > > >

> > > > " Human Life:

> > > >

> > > > Duration: momentary

> > > > Nature: changeable

> > > > Perception: dim

> > > > Condition of Body: decaying

> > > > Soul: spinning around

> > > > Fortune: unpredictable

> > > > Lasting fame: uncertain

> > > >

> > > > Sum Up: the body and its parts are a river, the soul a dream

and

> > > > mist, life is warfare and a journey far from home, lasting

> > > > reputation is oblivion.

> > > >

> > > > Then what guides us? Only philosophy.

> > > >

> > > > Which means making sure that the power within stays safe and

> free

> > > > from assault, above pleasure and pain, doing nothing randomly

or

> > > > dishonestly and with imposture, not dependent on anyone

else's

> > doing

> > > > something or not doing it. And making sure that it accepts

what

> > > > happens happens and what it is dealt as coming from the same

> place

> > > > it came from. And above all, that it accepts death in a

cheerful

> > > > spirit, as nothing but the dissolution of the elements from

> which

> > > > each living thing is composed. If it doesnt hurt the

individual

> > > > elements to change continually into one another, why are

people

> > > > afraid of all of them changing and separating? It's a natural

> > > thing.

> > > > And nothing natural is evil. "

> > > >

> > > > *********************

> > > >

> > > > Warm Regards,

> > > > Sudarshan

> > > >

> > > > " A life is perhaps worth nothing; but nothing certainly is

> worth

> > > as

> > > > much as life " .

> > > > (Andre Malraux)

> > > >

> > > > -----------------------------

--

> --

> > -

> > > > Dear friends,

> > > > The purpose of life is to be Happy. Every one is trying to be

> > > happy.

> > > > However, most people do not know what happiness is. Without

the

> > > > Knowledge of what happiness is how can one attain happiness.

It

> is

> > > > like someone who have never seen a mango and trying to buy

one

> in

> > a

> > > > shopping center. He is totally dependent on others. There is

a

> > very

> > > > good analysis of the purpose of life and the happiness in Gita

> > > > Rahasya by BG Tilak.

> > > > I strongly recommend the chapter on Happiness and Unhappiness

in

> > > > this book. My final conclusion is at the bottom. How you

> proceed

> > in

> > > > life and all the value system can be derived from what

> happiness

> > is

> > > > and how to achieve eternal happiness. Bhagvat Gita is an

> > > > indispensable guide to attaining this eternal happiness.

> > > > basant tariyal

> > > >

> > > > ---------------------------

> > > > When I create a pot out of mud, the pot - (the creation) does

> not

> > > > know the purpose for which it is being created. Only the

creator

> > > > knows why he made the creation. We are born to such and such

> > > > parents (as we think of the body level), we are kept here

> through

> > > > them for doing some of His karmas through this body.

Actually

> we

> > > > are never born and will never die from the Atma level. We

humans

> > > > think from the physical and mental level only that is why this

> > > > confusion.

> > > >

> > > > vanaja nair

> > > > -----------------------------

--

> --

> > --

> > > > , " sadhak_insight "

> > > > <sadhak_insight@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Sadhakas, Namaste!

> > > > > The purpose of living is implicit in correct understanding

of

> > > > life!

> > > > > It would seem that living in peace, harmony, love, joy, is

> > > > intrinsic

> > > > > to our nature.

> > > > > If one is joyous, in peace, and loving, one would like to

stay

> > > > there

> > > > > as much as possible. No one would say " let me be unhappy

now,

> I

> > > am

> > > > > bored being happy " . However, when one is in pain, unhappy,

> > > > restless,

> > > > > angry, etc then one would like to push them away as soon as

> they

> > > > can

> > > > > to be in happy state. This shows our true nature is that of

> > being

> > > > at

> > > > > peace, happy, and in harmony with our environment.

> > > > > SO the purpose is to live in this way, in line with what God

> > > > intends

> > > > > us to live.

> > > > > All our pursuits are for being happy, be them for money,

> power,

> > > > > fame, sex, religious following, or whatever one is running

> > after.

> > > > > One just doesn't know it and considers these pursuits as

ends

> in

> > > > > themselves. Soon he/she forgets the purpose of living and

> > > > attributes

> > > > > happiness in such objects. One gets attached to them,

> depending

> > > on

> > > > > them for his/her happiness, and starts possessing them at

all

> > > > costs.

> > > > > In this way one gets in conflict with others as each is

doing

> > the

> > > > > same. This is the beginning of suffering. To realize one's

> true

> > > > > nature being happiness itself, peace itself, harmony itself

> and

> > > > thus

> > > > > doesn't depend on objects is of utmost importance. One has

to

> > > > > discover the right address of peace and happiness as not

> being

> > in

> > > > > objects but within oneself.

> > > > > One is complete as one naturally is made, lacking nothing.

> This

> > > > > brings happiness in absence or in presence of objects. One

> lives

> > > > > apparantly individually fulfilling one's role in life where

> > > he/she

> > > > > is placed by God, doing selfless karmas, guided by dharma

and

> > > > > preparing for moksha. One lives this with full

understanding

> > that

> > > > > one is not an individual but rather part of totality that

> works

> > > > > through one's body-mind organism, an instrument to partake

in

> > > > Divine

> > > > > celebration, Leela. THIS IS THE PURPOSE OF LIVING as I see

it!

> > > > > Namaskar...Pratap

> > > > > (Pratap Bhatt)

> > > > > ---------------------------

-

> > > > > My current opinion is life`s purpose is not `given`

> > > > >

> > > > > Everyone has been given the power to exercise his choice to

> > > select

> > > > > the purpose,and then work towards attaining it.Also as Gita

> > > > says,You

> > > > > donot have a right to attain the purpose.

> > > > >

> > > > > At a deeper level,the values one selects to live by can be

> > called

> > > > a

> > > > > purpose.Is this the Dharma?

> > > > >

> > > > > Bhave.

> > > > > (Prakash Bhave)

> > > > >

> > > > > ---------------------------

--

> > > > > Jai Sitaramjiki.

> > > > >

> > > > > Reference the above topic for discussion, I request the

> > > following:-

> > > > >

> > > > > It is a very important topic for discussion. However, can

we

> > > > please

> > > > > first have the comments of SWAMI SHRI RAMSUKHDASJI as he

must

> > > have

> > > > > spoken on this subject in his life time. Dhanyavad.

> > > > >

> > > > > Dhanyavad and Ram Ram.

> > > > >

> > > > > Bhavdiy

> > > > >

> > > > > SHER SINGH AGRAWAL

> > > > > ---------------------------

--

> > > > > Namaste,

> > > > > The purpose of being on this earth, is to remove all

VASANAS.

> > But

> > > > > while living and exhausting vasanas, we also keep adding

some

> > > more

> > > > > vasanas. This gives birth and death to several birth cycles

> > > > > (jalmas). The choice is ours. By perfecting our devotion

> > (Bakthi)

> > > > > one can obtain the resolve (sankalpan) of God (Bagavan) to

> give

> > > us

> > > > > mukthi (salvation).

> > > > > B.Sathyanarayan

> > > > >

> > > > > ---------------------------

--

> --

> > > > > Namaste

> > > > >

> > > > > Is Atma which is present in all living beings is part of

> > > Parmatama

> > > > > (God)

> > > > >

> > > > > If yes then all living beings are connected with each other

> with

> > > > > strongest possible link

> > > > >

> > > > > Can we communicate with all living beings, other than man,

> with

> > > > this

> > > > > link

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards

> > > > >

> > > > > Ramesh Suri

> > > > > ---------------------------

> > > > > , " sadhak_insight "

> > > > > <sadhak_insight@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear MODERATOR,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Namaste!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I would like to request a discussion on a new

> topic, " PURPOSE

> > > OF

> > > > > > LIVING. " I am not sure if this topic has been discussed

> > > before.

> > > > I

> > > > > > would really appreciate, if you can help me/us understand

> the

> > > > > answer

> > > > > > to this question.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thanks.

> > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Darshan Goswami

> > > > > > ----------------------

> > > > > >

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> > > > > >

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> > > > > >

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Osho define Life as " A tale told by an idiot full of fury and

anger signifying nothing "

 

Surrender and experience the play of this unlimited universe.....

Meditate and experience the bliss of being.....

Enjoy the 'purposelessness' of being whatever existence made you.

 

A purposeless, nameless, being!!

 

ESSENCE OF BHAGVAD GITA

 

Whatever has happened, has happened for good.

Whatever is happening, is happening for good.

Whatever is going to happen, it will be for good.

What have you lost for which you cry?

What did you bring with you, which you have lost?

What did you produce, which has been destroyed?

You did not bring anything when you were born.

Whatever you have, you have received from Him.

Whatever you will give, you will give to Him.

You came empty handed and you will go the same way.

Whatever is yours today was somebody else's yesterday and will be

somebody else's tomorrow.

SO WHY WORRY UNNECESSARILY?

Change is the law of the universe

 

Abhinav Mehta

 

(shortened by moderator)

 

 

Hari Om

 

Yes what ever is said is true to the core. The problem is how to give

this message to Rural India and to the poor who has to think what can

they have for next meal. It is the duty of people with knowledge must

work to educate the poor and village population to think on this

line. Until that happens no one will be interested in the principle

of " PURPOSE OF LIVING "

 

DR.Ambekar.

--------------------------------

 

 

, " sadhak_insight "

<sadhak_insight wrote:

>

> Hari Om

> Dear fellow Seekers of truth,

>

> It is a well known fact that human birth is special.. All exalted

> Souls have proclaimed this fact.. Our authoritative scriptures also

> have declared it & is also in lines with our limited experience in

> this planet..

> The very reason why we are thinking about the purpose of life

itself

> is the evidence of our speciality..

> Humans alone worry about questions like these & yearn for something

> higher & nobler than mundane material existance & inturn they are

> alone blessed with the capablity to achieve those higher goals in

> their very life span.

>

> Evolution always continues & has never come to a standstill. Our

> creator alone knows where it is all heading to. But as far as our

> limited human perception is concerned, it is not incorrect to

> say human beings are the most evolved beings in this little planet

of

> ours at this juncture & they alone are capable of evolving

themselves

> to further stages. If we look back in history, we can very well see

> how humans have evolved in both material & spiritual levels.. Where

> as our brothers in animal & plant kingdom are still where they were

> 1000s of years back.. Had they been capable of this, we'd have seen

> them evolving too.. So no doubt, human birth is very special as

> they alone are gifted with a discriminative intellect, although it

is

> again upto them how they make use of this valuable gift from their

> creator..

>

> Again, if we look at plants & animals, we can see that their

behavior

> is programmed by instincts. Humans alone are capable of being

> consciously aware of their actions, thoughts & tendencies &

reprogram

> themselves. We are all able to discuss this matter in this forum

only

> because of these abilities given to us.

>

> But if we reflect on why we are discussing it, we'll realise that

it

> is due to some incompleteness we feel about ourselves at this

stage,

> be it related to fear of death or uncertainity of the future or

> anything else.. And why should we be worried about it unless

> completeness is our very true nature itself.. Otherwise

> it should not have disturbed us.. Swamiji used to say that hunger

> itself is the evidence that there exists something that can satisfy

> the hunger..

>

> It is also our experience that we all are always behind acquiring

> knowledge, which is another reason why we start discussing topics

> like this.. This again is nothing but our natural inclination to be

> full in knowledge.. And it is also our experience that all our

> actions & thoughts are propelled towards gaining happiness, which

is

> again an attempt by the conditioned Jeeva to regain its

> natural state of happiness.. So there is this want to return to

that

> original state of fullness in each one of us, whether we are aware

of

> it at this stage or not...

>

> So in this conditioned state, we are no longer in our natural state

of

> completeness or rather not aware of it & knowingly or unknowingly

all

> our endevours are aimed to take ourselves to that original state

> which is described by scriptures as Sat Chit Ananda..

>

> Hence all the great souls repeatedly tell us that such a special

> human birth is not to be wasted by living like mere animals &

running

> behind material pursuits. We are to make use of these special

> abilities (available to us only when we are in this human form) to

> awaken that dormant divinity within each one of us & firmly resolve

> to return to our original state. So instead of idling around in

> this material world, let us all resolve to return back to our

> original abode that we had left long back & long since forgotten.

> Let us Hurry Home as Swami Chinmayananda used to say..

>

> What else could be the purpose of this Human life?

>

> Hari Om

> Sarath

> (sasidharan sarath)

> ---------------------------

>

> Manushya does not mean two legged man or women. Manu- shya = born

> from Manah.

> Pashu is not four legged animal but those who oblige to bondage.

Shiva

> is called PASHUPATI only because he cutts off the contracts and

> bondage of cobweb of thoughts. PASHU BALI is not sacrifice of animal

> but getting free from all obligations and stay undisturbed.

>

> Cow is therefore not PASHU and a businessman bundled with mobile

> phones and schedules is not MANUSHYA

>

> Naga ji in his statement said " no other species other than humans

can

> recognise and enjoy why is and what is the purpose of such variety " .

> In fact, Tulsi das and even in the Bhagwat Gita and Durga Saptshati,

> the desirability of human is not high. Bhagwat gita addreses to

Bhoot

> (or those in physical disguises). Humans have secondary memory and

use

> a framework of common references and this faculty is not of use in

> animals. This has advantage and disadvantage. By this

differentiating

> (aakash tatva), humans can have variations on higher as well as

lower

> sides in extremes. Krishna serviced cow, Ram serviced monkeys, and

> Shiva snakes. Animals are less dangerous than humans, and are

> dependent on plants and animals for livelihood but whom it did not

> serve or care for and exploit it.

>

> Regards

> K G

> (Krishna Gopal)

>

>

> , " sadhak_insight "

> <sadhak_insight@> wrote:

> >

> > Respected Ones :

> >

> > Thank you very much for taking interest in my utterance. I am

> > grateful for that as well as your love and blessings. I need them.

> > However, I am helpless but to note couple of things here. Pardon

me

> > for my prudence. But, my intention is purely to unveil my

ignorance

> > further for my own benefit.

> >

> > " no other species other than humans can recognise and enjoy why is

> > and what is the purpose of such variety "

> >

> > I do not think I understand how exactly others truly observe and

> > enjoy - not just flora and fauna, even humans. I have observed a

> > tendency that I observe, experience and enjoy the best because I

> > seem to know only that. Accordingly, we develop tendencies to

> > respect what we believe and reject what we do not. We

categorically

> > claim to have comprehended what we believe and categorically

reject

> > what we do not comprehend. It is this tendency that is called Maya

> > or Ignorance. Do we really have authority to judge how others

> > observe and enjoy things?! Even so, is there any benefit for me in

> > doing so? Even if no benefits are there, are not there any harms

in

> > doing so? I need to be careful here.

> >

> > " to have discrimination and curiosity to know, all the art and

> > sciences … all this indicate towards some spacial purpose of human

> > birth "

> >

> > Do the elements like curiosity, discrimination etc. make one

> > superior? As a matter of fact, can any perceivable element make

any

> > one superior? Is such superiority complex the one that is one's

> > major misery in this life? I understand that the urge to feel

> > special is called pride which is the back bone of the human ego.

If

> > you think otherwise, pl. let me know.

> >

> > " there is hardly any development in the living being that could be

> > said to be some what superior to man "

> >

> > The nature has blessed the human with apparently more powerful

tools

> > of survival in a general sense. Yet, humans suffer more than the

> > rest! Why?! Instead of utilizing the thinking power it has been

> > blessed with, the humanity has spent all its lives in self-

> > superiority-promotion. I am not surprised by your urge for

> > superiority. All humans do. I too do. All think that everything in

> > the universe is created to felicitate human superiority. Humans

can

> > even imagine the gods to serve them. But yet, they suffer the

most …

> > meekly. Don't you think the humans abuse their so called

faculties

> > to acquire more opaque ignorance than flora and fauna around

> > pretending to know under the canopy of ignorance? If not, why

there

> > are only handful of incidences of Vyasa, Shankara, Jesus,

> > Paramahamsa, Ramana amongst the zillions of human lives that have

> > been consumed in the ocean of life on earth?

> >

> > " you are at a status where the further evolution is almost

stopped "

> >

> > I am certain that I have not understood the creation or evolution

> > even a bit. I do not think that I can ever understand whether is

has

> > started or stopped or where it stands now. Certainly, I am not

(and

> > I can never be) the authority over it. Therefore, I have no

comments

> > on this.

> >

> > " …finally merging into nothingness "

> >

> > Finally, I feel you are talking something that is of use to me.

Yes,

> > if we utilize our faculties humbly to be one with that nothingness

> > that you are speaking off … the life is worth it. But don't you

see

> > that The Nothingness is the invariant wherein no purpose of ours

can

> > withstand even for a moment? Don't you see that it is the " purpose

> > of life " conceived by the human brain that has entangled him/her

> > within this brain not allowing him/her to merge with The Truth,

The

> > Nothingness?

> >

> > In my opinion, all the purposes of our lives have been concocted

by

> > our egos to promote this notion of superiority over the rest

> > directly or indirectly … some times hidden even in spiritual

> > aspirations. Until the purpose of life exists in me, my

> > understanding is that I am not willing to relinquish my ownership

on

> > actions, knowledge and experience. In that case, how can I ever

> > attain The Truth with the help of any such purpose?

> >

> > I still reiterate the same that I uttered before … The ONLY

Purpose

> > that is useful in this life is to realize that all the purposes of

> > our lives are just concoctions brewed within our tiny brains and

> > experience that such concoctions are the very bondages that have

> > imprisoned us within our perceived illusive and evasive worlds of

> > notions and ideas. In other words, The Purpose of spirituality is

to

> > drop all the purposes, the associated ownership, bondage and

burden

> > of our lives altogether.

> >

> > This is my apparent understanding at this point of time. I may not

> > be able to observe and recognize my ignorance in it, which is

quite

> > possible knowing the chains of ignorance I have unearthed in

myself

> > so far. Therefore, I request you to teach me if you think

otherwise.

> >

> > Thank You.

> >

> > Respects.

> >

> > Naga Narayana.

> >

--

> --

> > Respected G.vaidyanathan ji..

> > My Gratitde for posting the Acharya Swami Ramsukdasji maharaj..

> > swamiji revealed the essence of His Knowledge in simple words..

> > our humble parnaams to Swami ji..

> > as Brother krishna Gopal wrote..

> > We are nityamukta..

> > we do not need Moksa (liberation)..as atma is nityamukta

(eternally

> > free)..

> > we play bounded as IT IS HIS WILL.. As we are ready..His

sanctions

> > frees the soul to Do His Work in the world.

> > you are mere nimitmaatram. (an instrument).

> > " all that is done in the Universe It is Divine through His shakti

> is

> > behind all action, but He is veiled by his Yogamaya and acting

> > through the ego of the Jiva......'

> > Nature cannot be satisfied with the present human evolutionary

> level..

> > as we are sanatan ansh (part , ray of) of Ishwara (God

> Consciousness).

> > ck kaul

> >

> >

> >

> > , " sadhak_insight "

> > <sadhak_insight@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Message of Swamiji clearly brings out the purpose of life.

> > > G.Vaidyanathan.

> > >

> > > sadhaka

> > > sadhak_insight@

> > > Tue, 8 Apr 2008 03:34:54 -0700

> > > [sadhaka] Purpose of LIfe (April 8, 2008)

> > >

> > > :Shree Hari:

> > >

> > > 8th April, 2008, Tuesday

> > > Chaitra Shukla Tritiya, Vikram Samvat 2064, Mangalvar

> > >

> > > God, by showering His grace has blessed us with four things -

1)

> > this

> > > human life, 2) the understanding 3) the means and 4) the

> > > capabilities. These four things have been given to us primarily

> for

> > > the purpose of realizing the Truth (attaining salvation, God or

> > Self

> > > Realization).

> > >

> > > A very important point here is that the time, the means, the

> > > understanding and the competencies that we currently have, if

we

> > > engage them all in realizing the Truth (God, Self) then

> perfection

> > > (realization) in human life can be achieved. We have already

been

> > > provided all that is needed for God Realization. And if there

is

> > any

> > > thing lacking (deficiencies), then God will fulfill those

> > > deficiencies Himself. The kingdom of God is open at all times

for

> > > everyone.

> > >

> > > It is said in the Ramcharitramanasa - " Kabahu kari karunaa ner

> > dehi;

> > > Det is binu hetu sanehi. " (Manasa 7:43:3)

> > > In man there is a feeling of uncertainty, how can I realize

God?

> > > However, this life, this birth is only for this purpose. There

is

> > no

> > > other purpose. Yet deep within us lingers this thought, this

> subtle

> > > doubt, that are we really capable ? Are we really worthy? This

> > > feeling of unworthiness, is the greatest obstacle in realizing

> God.

> > > Just like a mother always accepts her child in her lap, no

matter

> > how

> > > good or bad he is. The child is ever entitled to be in his

> mother's

> > > lap. Similarly we are all eligible for God Realization, no

matter

> > > what we are.

> > >

> > > God says in the Gita " Api chetsuduraachaaro, bhajate maam

ananya

> > bhaak

> > > Saadhureva sa mantavyah samyagvyavasitohi saha " (Gita 9:30)

> > > Simply speaking, even if the worst of sinners becomes Mine, he

> > should

> > > be considered a saint, because he is determined to turn towards

> Me,

> > > says God. Only due to his firm determination. Once this

> > determination

> > > is made, can wrongful actions become obstacles in God

> Realization?

> > Is

> > > God so very weak that He will be stalled by few actions?

> > >

> > > Pay attention to this verse. It is mentioned here that God, is

a

> > well-

> > > wisher without any motive, and simply by His grace He has

> bestowed

> > > this human life on us, so that we can become free from sorrows

> and

> > > attain Him. The implication here is that God intends for our

> > > upliftment, our benediction. So with a little effort on our

part,

> > His

> > > intention will come true.

> > >

> > > In summary the purpose of life is to serve others, to realize

the

> > > truth (Self) and to believe in God as our very own. It is for

> > these,

> > > that this human life, this human birth has been received.

> > >

> > > From Discourse in Hindi by Swami Ramsukhdasji

> > >

> > > Ram Ram

> > > -------------------------------

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> --

> > > All life have one purpose but is different for different

people.

> > This

> > > purpose is liberation or MOXA but each one of us as per ones'

> > > swabhaav (innate nature) is near and far from this end goal,

and

> > > therefore have different goals in short term. Life is a

journey

> > and

> > > as we go up in understanding, our attachments with world

reduces

> > and

> > > as we know the abstract, we get MOXA in step by step.

> > >

> > > MOXA is liberation and it is purpose of life. Liberation from

> > disese,

> > > liberation from hunger, liberation from ignorance, liberation

> from

> > > unwanted controls, liberation to work as per own wish,

liberation

> > to

> > > work for self and family, liberation to work for community, and

> > > liberation for self and all. Scientists are doing work of

> > inventing

> > > medicines, engineers build machines, saints do the preachng,

> > soldiers

> > > do the war in defense, and so on. Each one is to do

> > his/her 'niyat

> > > karma' as per given swabhaav (nature)because it is only

> > justification

> > > of life at that moment. When swabhav (dharma) gets improved

the

> > work

> > > also changes, and you find a laywer like Gandhi becoming

replica

> of

> > > Kabir.

> > > This is BHAGWAT GITA from begining to the end

> > > Regards

> > > Krishna Gopal

> > >

> > > -------------------------------

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> --

> > > dear naganarayan ji.

> > > there is lot of flora and founa arround us which no other

species

> > > other than humans can recognise and enjoy why is and what is

the

> > > purpose of such variety. Now all the living beings are born

with

> > > their torso in line with the earth axis. Strangely it is the

man

> > > only who has his torso perpendicular to the earth axis.

Certainly

> a

> > > point to be probed and understood. Then, when it is the purpose

> of

> > > living and dying why to have discrimination and curiosity to

> know,

> > > all the art and sciences. Definitly all this indicate towards

> some

> > > spacial purpose of human birth. Not merely living a quality

> living.

> > > When you probe into the cosmic evolution you will see that from

> > > nothingness ( nirakar) cosmic projection of matter came into

> > > existence further development in the same evolution brought in

> the

> > > living species finally culminating at the birth of human life..

> now

> > > history speaks that there is hardly any development in the

living

> > > being that could be said to be some what superior to man. Thus

> you

> > > are at a status where the further evolution is almost stopped.

> This

> > > in itself indicates that man is at the threshold of finally

> merging

> > > into nothingness thus completing the cycle of evolution which

> > started

> > > from nothingnees and goes back to the same nothingness. Which

> in

> > > terms of sprit is called self realisation, freedom from the

cycle

> > of

> > > reincarnation. i have tried to give you the totality of the

> purpose

> > > of human birth in nut shell. In case you want further

> clarification

> > > please feel free to communicate with me thanks and lots of love

> and

> > > blessings ck kaul

> > > -------------------------------

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> --

> > > dear all brothers and sisters on this forum

> > > my humble parnaams to ALL

> > > why to loose your sleep..

> > > The Yoga means giving charge of your LIfe to The Supreme..

> > > Let Her take care of you and Your fraility.

> > > But you need to Surrender; this is the Secret

> > > and the Key to the puzzle of Life

> > > Mystery is solved once you feel Her Hand in your Life..

> > > why worry..

> > > the Key to evolution is Dharma,

> > > Explore the true meaning of Dharma and follow the dharma.

> > > the first step of this Journey...

> > > thanks...

> > > kuldip

> > >

> > > -------------------------------

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> --

> > > Dear Friends,

> > >

> > > The purpose of life is to have a goal and work towards it. Even

> > > striving " to not have a purpose " is a goal and one obviously

> works

> > > for it.

> > >

> > > girish desai

> > >

> > > -------------------------------

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> --

> > -

> > > , " sadhak_insight "

> > > <sadhak_insight@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Friend:

> > > >

> > > > This a question that has burnt me quite a bit … I lost sleep

for

> > > > many months on this …

> > > >

> > > > The purpose of The Life cannot be determined by us as we

remain

> > > > miniscule specs in the infinite ocean of Life. At best, we

can

> say

> > > > that the purpose of The Life is Itself. I consider the

question

> > > > as " what is the purpose of an individual in its life? "

> > > >

> > > > It is the survival program that creates this notion of

purpose

> of

> > > > life in us. The ego is created to generate an identity for an

> > > > individual. The system is steered by the ego to enhance and

> > protect

> > > > this identity. That is the reason we always feel one with

this

> > body-

> > > > mind cluster and always think that " I am this body/mind " .

> > Obviously,

> > > > the ego has to take a stand of being a guardian to safeguard

> this

> > > > system in its duty. Its job is secured as far as there is a

> > request

> > > > for help from the system. The ego generates relations with

the

> > rest

> > > > of the world to steer the system in the physical world and

> happens

> > > > to understand the adversities around that continuously

threaten

> > the

> > > > individual system's survival. The purpose of the ego is to

> nurture

> > > > and safeguard the individual system at any cost. Therefore, to

> > > > protect its own survival it craves to look forward for

reasons

> how

> > > > it can execute its job " save the system " . In a sense it

> > assures " job

> > > > security " to itself by imagining that it is the sole care-

taker

> of

> > > > the individual system and the relations it has established

with

> > the

> > > > external world. As a result, it develops a sense of ownership

> and

> > > > authority over the system, its relations as well as, the

related

> > > > objects. The apparent purpose of life of an individual is to

> > > > establish, protect and enhance this ownership and authority.

> From

> > > > ego's point of view, life ends in the absence of itself which

> is

> > in

> > > > a way true because it always interprets the life as its

> perpetual

> > > > association with the individual body-mind cluster, its

relations

> > > > with the world and the related objects in the world. But, its

> true

> > > > worry is its own oblivion as a result of the potential loss

of

> > > life –

> > > > which again is the body-mind cluster and its worldly

> possession

> > > > that it owns in its understanding.

> > > >

> > > > The very notion of " the purpose of life " is generated for its

> > ever-

> > > > lasting and never-achieved quest for eternity within its

> > authority.

> > > > It poses this question to itself whenever there is a threat

to

> > > life –

> > > > that is its own existence. The quest in the background

is " Is

> > > there

> > > > any benefit for me? If so, let me encourage the environment.

Is

> > > > there is any threat for my existence? Then let me thwart the

> > > > environment. If not possible, let me escape at least. "

> Basically,

> > > > the purpose of life for the ego is a perpetual saga of

> diplomacy,

> > > > fight and escape with reference to its environment. Due to the

> > > > notion of existence it has created for itself it is

perpetually

> > > > chased by fears that threaten its growth and existence while

it

> > > > eternally chases the desires that show potential congeniality

> to

> > its

> > > > existence and growth. It believes that the only fuel that can

be

> > > > adapted in its journey to successfully achieve its ends – to

> > acquire

> > > > and safeguard ownership – is this notion, THE PURPOSE OF

LIFE!

> It

> > > > hangs on to it so dearly that no one can literally fight

> against

> > it.

> > > > One has to satisfy this guardian of all actions to take up any

> > > > action – that is the authority ego has assigned to its own

> notion.

> > > > Even in spirituality, one has to appease this gate keeper to

> > explore

> > > > any possibilities outside. The fellow is really sticky and

> won't

> > let

> > > > you free of itself all through your exploration just like

> > > > Nakshatrika on King Harischandra's shoulder.

> > > >

> > > > In fact, the " purpose of life " is the biggest hurdle for the

> > > > progress in spirituality since it is this notion that

empowers

> the

> > > > ego steadfast against a spiritual quest. Unless one faces it

> > > > correctly, it is impossible to face the ego … and hence

> impossible

> > > > to drop ownership … and hence impossible to attain The Bliss

> void

> > of

> > > > desires and fears.

> > > >

> > > > As spiritual seekers, we need to acknowledge and respect this

> > > > fellow – the purpose of life – in proper light. In my

opinion,

> the

> > > > purpose of spirituality is to seek the same in this purpose

of

> > life

> > > > to eliminate all the purposes of life imagined by oneself. The

> > > > purpose of spirituality drops off automatically in the

absence

> of

> > > > the rest of the purposes.

> > > >

> > > > My understanding on this quest is: Do not try to look for the

> > > > purpose. Become the purpose. Be the purpose. As Tilakji has

> > > > beautifully observed – the pot never seeks the purpose of its

> > > > creation ... why us? The pot instantly becomes the purpose …

> why

> > not

> > > > us?

> > > >

> > > > Respects.

> > > >

> > > > Naga Narayana.

> > > > -----------------------------

--

> --

> > -

> > > > my dear divine souls!

> > > >

> > > > my humble parnaams.......

> > > >

> > > > The purpose of Life is only... to Know Thy Self..

> > > > when we focus our energies in wordly pursuits..

> > > > we are in the Nature of Ignorance and do not understand the

> > Meaning

> > > > of life.

> > > >

> > > > We humans have reached the final stage of evolution where we

> have

> > > the

> > > > mind, and we can the understanding of what is Ultimate good

and

> > what

> > > > is evil in us.

> > > > We in the very nature are God in disguise.. Ishwar is our

true

> > natue

> > > > who is Love, Beauty, Power, Knowledge..Bliss (Ananda), but we

> are

> > > > here not experiencing these attributes of God.

> > > > so the purpose of Life is only to arrive at our True Nature..

> > > >

> > > > Janam mritu jara vyadhi dukh doshanu darshnam..

> > > > A keen perception of the defective nature of the ordinary

> physical

> > > > man and its aimless and painful subjection to birth, death,

> > disease

> > > > and age..bg.13 9

> > > >

> > > > thanks...

> > > > kuldip

> > > >

> > > > -----------------------------

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> --

> > -

> > > >

> > > > The purpose of Life is to be useful to others, both animate

and

> > > > inanimate and help without any expectation of rewards and

> achieve

> > > the

> > > > goal of NO REBIRTH.

> > > >

> > > > G.Vaidyanathan

> > > >

> > > > -----------------------------

--

> --

> > -

> > > > If we all believe and to the Vedantic thoughts,

then

> the

> > > > purpose of life is to get redemption from the cycle of death,

> > > rebirth

> > > > etc brought about by our limitless karmas. Gita clearly says

> that

> > we

> > > > are bound in this Samsara and unless we surrender to Him

> totally,

> > > > (Chapter 18 Sloka 66) there is no way that we could obtain

> > salvation

> > > > on our own. He is the only one who has the Power to wipe out

> all

> > our

> > > > karmas (both good and bad) that would enable us to be in

eternal

> > > > bliss with Him. After this total surrender, we continue to

live

> > in a

> > > > detached way leading a Dharmic life and simply wait for the

> final

> > > > salvation until our time comes to depart from this

> > world. " Detached "

> > > > does not mean we do not look after our family or the society.

> It

> > is

> > > > performing our dharmic karmas without expectation of any

> reward.

> > The

> > > > outcome of our action is also surrendered to Lord krishna.

> > > >

> > > > I believe this is the essence and purpose of life. Since we

> have

> > put

> > > > our trust in Him, it is for Him to look after us during the

> rest

> > of

> > > > our life.

> > > >

> > > > Humble servant of the God

> > > > G Rangarajan

> > > > -----------------------------

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> --

> > -

> > > > Dear Sadhakas,

> > > >

> > > > Virtue and vice, happiness and sorrow are all attributes of

the

> > > mind,

> > > > not of Yourself, O All-pervading One!

> > > > You are neither the " doer " nor the " enjoyer " . Indeed, you are

> > ever-

> > > > free!!!

> > > >

> > > > Dharma Dharmau Sukham Dukham Manasani na te vibho

> > > > Na Karta-si na Bhogta-si Mukta evasi sarvada

> > > > (Ashtawakra Gita Chapter 1 verse 6)

> > > >

> > > > As long as there is the EGO....this identity with the BODY,

> MIND &

> > > > INTELLECT, will keep us all in the dualities of life. The

sense

> > > > of 'doership' and/or 'enjoyership' gives the feeling of good

&

> > bad,

> > > > happiness & unhappiness, joy & sorrow. The moment....ego

> > > > disappears....the identity also disappears and the true

Eternal

> > > > Blissful Self appears..where there are no questions or

> confusions.

> > > >

> > > > Hare Ram Hare Ram

> > > > Ram Ram Hare Hare

> > > > Hare Krishna Hare Krishna

> > > > Krishna Krsihna Hare Hare

> > > >

> > > > Abhinav Mehta

> > > >

> > > > -----------------------------

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> --

> > > > Life loses its purpose unless guided by God.

> > > > Many cultures have within their lore stories similar to

Hänsel

> and

> > > > Gretel, a tale of Germanic origin and adapted by the Brothers

> > Grimm:

> > > > people happy and cared for, subsequent misfortune, loss,

> apparent

> > > > escape, even greater danger and final deliverance. When the

> > > children are lost in the woods we read these words: " ...as

> (Hänsel)

> > > walked through the trees, he left a trail of crumbs behind him

to

> > > mark the way. "

> > > >

> > > > How often do we feel like these lost children, wandering

> through a

> > > > life that seems dark with dangerous shadows, not only unsure

of

> > our

> > > > destination, but uncertain which fork of the road to take.

> > Perhaps

> > > it

> > > > is job uncertainty, or career choices or relationship

> questions.

> > > Sometimes it is even doubt about God's love or leading. What

are

> > some

> > > crumbs on the path to mark our way?

> > > >

> > > > Author John Baillie writes, " I thank Thee that this Christian

> way

> > > > whereon I walk is no untried or uncharted road, but a road

> beaten

> > > > hard by the footsteps of saints, apostles, prophets, and

> martyrs.

> > I

> > > > thank Thee for the finger-posts and danger signals with which

> it

> > is

> > > > marked at every turning and which may be known to me through

> > study

> > > of

> > > > the Bible and of all history, and of all the great literature

> of

> > the

> > > > world. "

> > > >

> > > > God often directs us through the quiet voice of his Spirit

> > speaking

> > > to

> > > > the inner places of our own spirits, but He has also given us

> more

> > > > visible crumbs along the way. It is of vital importance

that

> we

> > > pay

> > > > close attention to those crumbs.

> > > >

> > > > Bread crumbs don't seem like much, Lord, but sometimes those

> > crumbs

> > > > are all we have to follow. Thank you that through your Holy

> > Spirit

> > > the

> > > > crumbs can be magnified and thus visible to our seeking eyes.

> > > >

> > > > yeshu rathenam

> > > > -----------------------------

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> --

> > > > Adarniya Bhaktjan,

> > > >

> > > > Praman

> > > >

> > > > I am writing below about the Purpose of life which may be

> useful

> > in

> > > > doing spirituality.

> > > >

> > > > From a spiritual perspective, there are two generic reasons

why

> we

> > > > are born. These reasons define the purpose of our lives at

the

> > most

> > > > basic level. They are:

> > > > - To complete the give-and-take account we have with various

> > > people -

> > > > - To make spiritual progress with the final aim of merging

> into

> > God

> > > > and therefore getting out of the cycle of birth and death.

> > > >

> > > > Completing our give-and-take account

> > > > Over many lifetimes, we accumulate many give-and-take

accounts

> > that

> > > > are a direct result of our deeds and actions. The accounts

may

> be

> > > > positive or negative depending on the positive or negative

> nature

> > of

> > > > our actions. As a rule of thumb, in the current era

> approximately

> > > 65%

> > > > of our lives are destined (not within our control) and 35% of

> our

> > > > lives are governed by our own freewill. All major events in

our

> > life

> > > > are by and large destined. These events include our birth,

the

> > > family

> > > > we are born into, the person (or persons) we marry, the

> children

> > we

> > > > have, serious illnesses and the time of our death. The

> happiness

> > and

> > > > pain that we give and receive from loved ones and

acquaintances

> > are

> > > > by and large simply a case of prior give-and-take accounts

> > directing

> > > > the way relationships unravel and play out.

> > > >

> > > > However even our destiny in the current lifetime is just a

> > fraction

> > > > of the accumulated give-and take account that we amass over

many

> > > > lifetimes.

> > > > In our lifetime, while we do complete our give-and-take

account

> > and

> > > > destiny earmarked for this particular lifetime of ours, we

also

> > end

> > > > up creating more accounts by using our wilful action. This in

> turn

> > > > finally adds up to our overall give-and-take account known as

> the

> > > > accumulated account. As a result, we have to be born again to

> > settle

> > > > further give-and-take accounts and are stuck in the cycle of

> birth

> > > > and death.

> > > >

> > > > Making spiritual progress

> > > > The ultimate in spiritual development in any Spiritual path is

> > > > merging with God. `Merging with God' means experiencing God

> > within

> > > us

> > > > and all around us and not identifying with our five senses,

> mind

> > and

> > > > intellect. This happens at the 100% spiritual level. Most

> people

> > in

> > > > today's world are at the 20-25% spiritual level and are

> > disinclined

> > > > to any spiritual practice for spiritual development. They also

> > > > heavily identify with their 5 senses, mind and intellect.

This

> is

> > > > reflected in our lives when we focus mainly on our looks or

are

> > > > arrogant about our intelligence or success.

> > > >

> > > > By spiritual practice when we grow to the spiritual level of

> 80%,

> > we

> > > > are liberated from the cycle of birth and death. After this

> > > spiritual

> > > > level, we can settle whatever remaining give-and-take

accounts

> we

> > > > have from the higher subtle realms of Mahaaloka and above.

> > Sometimes

> > > > however, people above the 80% spiritual level may choose to

be

> > born

> > > > on Earth to guide humanity in Spirituality.

> > > >

> > > > Rahul Kinger

> > > > -----------------------------

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> --

> > -

> > > > , " sadhak_insight "

> > > > <sadhak_insight@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > I request SWAMI SHRI RAMSUKHDASJI to comments and provide

some

> > > > > guidance so that we can generate more opnions and awareness

> on

> > > this

> > > > > subject.

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanks. Namaste.

> > > > >

> > > > > Darshan Goswami

> > > > >

> > > > > ---------------------------

--

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Sir,

> > > > >

> > > > > I am a student of Gita. I am also a student of world

history.

> > > > >

> > > > > The Purpose of Living is a constant theme of the Perennial

> > > > > Philosophy ie. Vedanta.

> > > > >

> > > > > I have always been inspired by the thoughts of the Roman

> emperor

> > > > > Marcus Aurelius who I believe was a true Vedantin in his

> > approach

> > > > to

> > > > > the question " What is the purpose of Human life " .

> > > > >

> > > > > I reproduce below his notes from his famous

> book " Meditations " .

> > > > Hope

> > > > > it might be of interest to members of your cyber-satsangh.

> > > > >

> > > > > Best regds,

> > > > > daasan Sudarshan MK

> > > > >

> > > > > **************************

> > > > > " Remember two things:

> > > > >

> > > > > 1. that everything has always been the same, and keeps

> > recurring,

> > > > > and it makes no difference whether you see the same things

> > recur

> > > in

> > > > > a hundred years or two hundred or in an infinite period;

> > > > >

> > > > > 2. that the longest-lived and those who will die soonest

lose

> > the

> > > > > same thing. The present is all that they can give up, since

> > that

> > > is

> > > > > all you have, and what you do not have, you cannot lose.

> > > > >

> > > > > " The human soul degrades itself:

> > > > >

> > > > > 1. above all when it does its best to become an abscess, a

> kind

> > of

> > > > > detached growth on the world. To be disgruntled at anything

> that

> > > > > happens is a kind of secession from Nature, which comprises

> the

> > > > > nature of all things.

> > > > >

> > > > > 2. when it turns its back on another person or sets out to

> harm

> > to

> > > > > do it harm, as the souls of the angry do.

> > > > >

> > > > > 3. when it is overpowered by pleasure or pain.

> > > > >

> > > > > 4. when it puts on a mask and does or says something

> artificial

> > or

> > > > > false.

> > > > >

> > > > > 5. when it allows its actions and impulse to be without a

> > purpose,

> > > > > to be random and disconnected: even the smallest things

ought

> > to

> > > be

> > > > > directed toward a goal. But the goal of rational beings is

to

> > > follow

> > > > > the rule and law of the most ancient of communities and

> states.

> > > > >

> > > > > ************

> > > > >

> > > > > " Human Life:

> > > > >

> > > > > Duration: momentary

> > > > > Nature: changeable

> > > > > Perception: dim

> > > > > Condition of Body: decaying

> > > > > Soul: spinning around

> > > > > Fortune: unpredictable

> > > > > Lasting fame: uncertain

> > > > >

> > > > > Sum Up: the body and its parts are a river, the soul a

dream

> and

> > > > > mist, life is warfare and a journey far from home, lasting

> > > > > reputation is oblivion.

> > > > >

> > > > > Then what guides us? Only philosophy.

> > > > >

> > > > > Which means making sure that the power within stays safe

and

> > free

> > > > > from assault, above pleasure and pain, doing nothing

randomly

> or

> > > > > dishonestly and with imposture, not dependent on anyone

> else's

> > > doing

> > > > > something or not doing it. And making sure that it accepts

> what

> > > > > happens happens and what it is dealt as coming from the

same

> > place

> > > > > it came from. And above all, that it accepts death in a

> cheerful

> > > > > spirit, as nothing but the dissolution of the elements from

> > which

> > > > > each living thing is composed. If it doesnt hurt the

> individual

> > > > > elements to change continually into one another, why are

> people

> > > > > afraid of all of them changing and separating? It's a

natural

> > > > thing.

> > > > > And nothing natural is evil. "

> > > > >

> > > > > *********************

> > > > >

> > > > > Warm Regards,

> > > > > Sudarshan

> > > > >

> > > > > " A life is perhaps worth nothing; but nothing certainly is

> > worth

> > > > as

> > > > > much as life " .

> > > > > (Andre Malraux)

> > > > >

> > > > > ---------------------------

--

> --

> > --

> > > -

> > > > > Dear friends,

> > > > > The purpose of life is to be Happy. Every one is trying to

be

> > > > happy.

> > > > > However, most people do not know what happiness is. Without

> the

> > > > > Knowledge of what happiness is how can one attain

happiness.

> It

> > is

> > > > > like someone who have never seen a mango and trying to buy

> one

> > in

> > > a

> > > > > shopping center. He is totally dependent on others. There

is

> a

> > > very

> > > > > good analysis of the purpose of life and the happiness in

Gita

> > > > > Rahasya by BG Tilak.

> > > > > I strongly recommend the chapter on Happiness and

Unhappiness

> in

> > > > > this book. My final conclusion is at the bottom. How you

> > proceed

> > > in

> > > > > life and all the value system can be derived from what

> > happiness

> > > is

> > > > > and how to achieve eternal happiness. Bhagvat Gita is an

> > > > > indispensable guide to attaining this eternal happiness.

> > > > > basant tariyal

> > > > >

> > > > > ---------------------------

> > > > > When I create a pot out of mud, the pot - (the creation)

does

> > not

> > > > > know the purpose for which it is being created. Only the

> creator

> > > > > knows why he made the creation. We are born to such and such

> > > > > parents (as we think of the body level), we are kept here

> > through

> > > > > them for doing some of His karmas through this body.

> Actually

> > we

> > > > > are never born and will never die from the Atma level. We

> humans

> > > > > think from the physical and mental level only that is why

this

> > > > > confusion.

> > > > >

> > > > > vanaja nair

> > > > > ---------------------------

--

> --

> > --

> > > --

> > > > > , " sadhak_insight "

> > > > > <sadhak_insight@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Sadhakas, Namaste!

> > > > > > The purpose of living is implicit in correct

understanding

> of

> > > > > life!

> > > > > > It would seem that living in peace, harmony, love, joy, is

> > > > > intrinsic

> > > > > > to our nature.

> > > > > > If one is joyous, in peace, and loving, one would like to

> stay

> > > > > there

> > > > > > as much as possible. No one would say " let me be unhappy

> now,

> > I

> > > > am

> > > > > > bored being happy " . However, when one is in pain, unhappy,

> > > > > restless,

> > > > > > angry, etc then one would like to push them away as soon

as

> > they

> > > > > can

> > > > > > to be in happy state. This shows our true nature is that

of

> > > being

> > > > > at

> > > > > > peace, happy, and in harmony with our environment.

> > > > > > SO the purpose is to live in this way, in line with what

God

> > > > > intends

> > > > > > us to live.

> > > > > > All our pursuits are for being happy, be them for money,

> > power,

> > > > > > fame, sex, religious following, or whatever one is

running

> > > after.

> > > > > > One just doesn't know it and considers these pursuits as

> ends

> > in

> > > > > > themselves. Soon he/she forgets the purpose of living and

> > > > > attributes

> > > > > > happiness in such objects. One gets attached to them,

> > depending

> > > > on

> > > > > > them for his/her happiness, and starts possessing them at

> all

> > > > > costs.

> > > > > > In this way one gets in conflict with others as each is

> doing

> > > the

> > > > > > same. This is the beginning of suffering. To realize

one's

> > true

> > > > > > nature being happiness itself, peace itself, harmony

itself

> > and

> > > > > thus

> > > > > > doesn't depend on objects is of utmost importance. One

has

> to

> > > > > > discover the right address of peace and happiness as not

> > being

> > > in

> > > > > > objects but within oneself.

> > > > > > One is complete as one naturally is made, lacking

nothing.

> > This

> > > > > > brings happiness in absence or in presence of objects.

One

> > lives

> > > > > > apparantly individually fulfilling one's role in life

where

> > > > he/she

> > > > > > is placed by God, doing selfless karmas, guided by dharma

> and

> > > > > > preparing for moksha. One lives this with full

> understanding

> > > that

> > > > > > one is not an individual but rather part of totality that

> > works

> > > > > > through one's body-mind organism, an instrument to

partake

> in

> > > > > Divine

> > > > > > celebration, Leela. THIS IS THE PURPOSE OF LIVING as I

see

> it!

> > > > > > Namaskar...Pratap

> > > > > > (Pratap Bhatt)

> > > > > > -------------------------

--

> -

> > > > > > My current opinion is life`s purpose is not `given`

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Everyone has been given the power to exercise his choice

to

> > > > select

> > > > > > the purpose,and then work towards attaining it.Also as

Gita

> > > > > says,You

> > > > > > donot have a right to attain the purpose.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > At a deeper level,the values one selects to live by can

be

> > > called

> > > > > a

> > > > > > purpose.Is this the Dharma?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Bhave.

> > > > > > (Prakash Bhave)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > -------------------------

--

> --

> > > > > > Jai Sitaramjiki.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Reference the above topic for discussion, I request the

> > > > following:-

> > > > > >

> > > > > > It is a very important topic for discussion. However,

can

> we

> > > > > please

> > > > > > first have the comments of SWAMI SHRI RAMSUKHDASJI as he

> must

> > > > have

> > > > > > spoken on this subject in his life time. Dhanyavad.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dhanyavad and Ram Ram.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Bhavdiy

> > > > > >

> > > > > > SHER SINGH AGRAWAL

> > > > > > -------------------------

--

> --

> > > > > > Namaste,

> > > > > > The purpose of being on this earth, is to remove all

> VASANAS.

> > > But

> > > > > > while living and exhausting vasanas, we also keep adding

> some

> > > > more

> > > > > > vasanas. This gives birth and death to several birth

cycles

> > > > > > (jalmas). The choice is ours. By perfecting our devotion

> > > (Bakthi)

> > > > > > one can obtain the resolve (sankalpan) of God (Bagavan)

to

> > give

> > > > us

> > > > > > mukthi (salvation).

> > > > > > B.Sathyanarayan

> > > > > >

> > > > > > -------------------------

--

> --

> > --

> > > > > > Namaste

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Is Atma which is present in all living beings is part of

> > > > Parmatama

> > > > > > (God)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > If yes then all living beings are connected with each

other

> > with

> > > > > > strongest possible link

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Can we communicate with all living beings, other than

man,

> > with

> > > > > this

> > > > > > link

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Regards

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Ramesh Suri

> > > > > > -------------------------

--

> > > > > > , " sadhak_insight "

> > > > > > <sadhak_insight@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear MODERATOR,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Namaste!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I would like to request a discussion on a new

> > topic, " PURPOSE

> > > > OF

> > > > > > > LIVING. " I am not sure if this topic has been discussed

> > > > before.

> > > > > I

> > > > > > > would really appreciate, if you can help me/us

understand

> > the

> > > > > > answer

> > > > > > > to this question.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Thanks.

> > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Darshan Goswami

> > > > > > > ----------------------

> > > > > > >

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> > > > > > >

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> > > > > > >

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their

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Greetings To Everyone:

 

Swami Vivekananda was once asked, " Swamiji what is life? " Swami

Vivekananda replied, " Life is the unfoldment and development of a

being under circumstances tending to press it down " .

 

Ever since I read this definition of life it has remained as fresh

as when I first read it. In a meaningful way it describes the

purpose of life or living. However, there is another aspect to the

purpose of life in my opinion. Our presence in this universe where

we are born, raised, thrive, age and ultimately die in, has a

purpose. To my mind the purpose is to experience the universe of

opposites, love/hate, dharma/adharma, yearning/indifferent,

peace/violence, success/failure, complexity/simplicity,

beauty/ugliness, music/noise etc. To add to this dimension is that

it is only through our life and its stages do we experience the

different kinds of emotions like love (e.g. for/of a parent,

child, adult, family), add to this emotions like anger, peacefulness

or calm, one can go on endlessly. But there is also another aspect

to the purpose of living i.e. when we grow from being a child, into

an adult, from being single to having one's own family - this also

serves to expand our ego beyond oneself. For example when we go

from being single to married, and then to parenthood - we develop

what we refer to in Hindi as mumta for those who are ours, as the

mother's mumta for her child. Consider, this - when there is an

accident somewhere close to where our dear ones reside we quickly

call to find out if they are okay, and once we know they are okay we

offer our thanks to God or whomever one believes in, and then we go

about our lives as usual. Continuing with this example of the

accident - many people died in that accident, but they were in no

way related to us. The point is not that we don't care for anyone

other than our family or near and dear ones, but that our ego has

expanded to include those whom we consider our relatives, friends

and near/dear ones. This is another purpose of life.

 

Being a Hindu I also deeply believe that the manner in which we

develop our character (consciously or unconsciously) also determines

our rebirth. For example if a father or a mother experiences a loss

of their young child....this unfortunate experience and how the

father or mother react to it shapes their character. Let us say

that the father becomes angry towards God or the world or the doctor

or the hospital and starts to express anger and hatred for whomever

he holds responsible for his child's death. On the other hand the

mother turns inward and becomes more spiritual, and turns to God to

find strength to bear her loss. Such character shaping experiences,

including qualities such as pursuing one's ambitions, in fact ANY

ambition - becomes an exercise in developing and demonstrating a

particular quality in our character.

 

Let us say that a man coming from an extremely poor family studies

very hard, experiences great hardships but never accepts charity.

After years of such a struggle the man becomes a very successful

industrialist and owns many factories etc. etc. This man has

developed the quality of will power and righteousness by pursuing

his goal(s) and not compromising his principles despite so many

temptations, many challenges and hardships, which have all helped

him to change his status in life. This man has also of course

developed the quality of a very keen and sharp mind. It is possible

that these character qualities are actively seen in this man

throughout his life. In my opinion when this man dies he goes into

the next life with these powerful qualities of character and they

come naturally to the name and form he takes in his next life, by

saying that these qualities come naturally to this reborn individual

I am stating that this individual has all of those qualities in

her/him (he can be reborn as a woman also :-))

FROM BIRTH. And his actions even as a young person show how

intelligent, and capable he is. NOW this individual can work on

other qualities. After many such lifetimes this individual suffers

heartbreak, major losses in every aspect of life...and begins to

turn towards God. In the next life this very same individual grows

up to be a fine young man but then decides to become a sannyasi and

does so. This young man now will be able to apply ALL THOSE

QUALITIES IN HIS CHARACTER in working towards achieving closeness

with God and practicing whichever spiritual discipline he has

committed himself to.

 

One can similarly describe many many aspects of life, and how they

form the meaningful purpose of our lives. Besides how else can we

experience the limitless power, beauty, wealth, intelligence that we

see all around us in our lives. Just look at how we emerge from

nothing as human beings, grow young and old, the different races,

and the appearance of each race.....or even any sunrise or sunset,

the moon whether full or just a crescent, the stars, the seasonal

changes, the rain, the hail, the storms, the thunder, the

lightening, the mountains, oceans, deserts...this is all the work of

the SUPREME ARTIST.......God.....and we are able to experience every

aspect of this God whom we know so well and yet don't know at

all....no matter what name and form you give HIM....HE IS VERY MUCH

THERE AND THE PURPOSE OF OUR LIFE IS TO WORK OUR WAY TO THAT

EXPERIENCE...TO THAT EMBRACE. And this can never be done by mere

words.........though words too have their place in God's universe.

 

Peace to all...............

 

Biraj Khosla

 

---

Hari Om,

After passing through several births from plants to animals one gets

Human birth. From human again one can go to worm in dust bin. The

soul passing through different births is because of it`s vasana

(desires). If one has strong desire to drink, eat and indulge

through his life, he has to be born as PIG. This form he can fulfill

his desires and then be back to human. Similarly cause and effect

also gives births and deaths. Majority of sadhaks know the history

of Jada Bharatha in Sreemad Bagavath. A negligible desire to rare a

deer by Bharatha Yogi gave birth as a deer. Nala and manigoopa 2

gandarvas (devas) got birth as 2 trees in nanda gokul. They were

pair of trees through Sri Krishna passed and gave mukthi. It is very

simple to know from lives of saints who left behind wealth, family

and pleasures in young age and went in search of SAT. Purandra doss

in those days was called nava koti narayana (9 types of crore of

wealth) left behind and reached panderpur.

Siddeswara Ram in young age jumped from a cliff at Sholapur as he

felt life without darshan of Bagavan Shiva is a waste. He was pulled

from space by Bagavan and blessed with Darshan. 12 alwars

(vaishnavite) saints and 63 Nayanmars (saivites) saints showed

way " Purpose of Living " .

 

To empty our vasanas, to surrender our karmas (Narayanyethi

Samarpayame), to eliminate 6 gunas (Kama- Kroth etc), to become pure

and divine and finally to elevate to divinity is human birth

purpose. This can be achieved by simple ways so many bakthas have

shown as by living amidst society and living in family.

 

Baktha Gora- Tukaram- Annamaiya- 9 Dasars from Karnataka- Pundalikan-

Kurath Alwar- Sandikeswarar- Budha (who came back to family after

realization), within 100 years Thyagaraya swamy), Vasudeva Bramam-

Ramaliga swamy- Malayala swamy- Hat ram Baba Etc. To day saints-

Mytreya Swamy on Tirumala hills- Govindama in forest range of

Thirupati- One can see them floating on water, walking on fire,

diverting movement of a air even to day. This swamy Mitreya was Bar

At Law London. Givindama from very wealthy family. One swamy I met

at Bathrinath made me feel normal in ordinary clothes at 4 degree

Celsius are still living on earth.

 

Bhagavan Shree Krishna said that HE will appear to establish dharma

when wanted. This means strictly that HE comes when saints are

insulted.

Namaste

B.Sathyanarayan

 

---

I agree completely with KG Misra ji with the comparison of inhuman

humans versus non-human beings.

Naga Narayana

 

 

---

, " sadhak_insight "

<sadhak_insight wrote:

>

> Osho define Life as " A tale told by an idiot full of fury and

> anger signifying nothing "

>

> Surrender and experience the play of this unlimited universe.....

> Meditate and experience the bliss of being.....

> Enjoy the 'purposelessness' of being whatever existence made you.

>

> A purposeless, nameless, being!!

>

> ESSENCE OF BHAGVAD GITA

>

> Whatever has happened, has happened for good.

> Whatever is happening, is happening for good.

> Whatever is going to happen, it will be for good.

> What have you lost for which you cry?

> What did you bring with you, which you have lost?

> What did you produce, which has been destroyed?

> You did not bring anything when you were born.

> Whatever you have, you have received from Him.

> Whatever you will give, you will give to Him.

> You came empty handed and you will go the same way.

> Whatever is yours today was somebody else's yesterday and will be

> somebody else's tomorrow.

> SO WHY WORRY UNNECESSARILY?

> Change is the law of the universe

>

> Abhinav Mehta

>

> (shortened by moderator)

>

>

> Hari Om

>

> Yes what ever is said is true to the core. The problem is how to

give

> this message to Rural India and to the poor who has to think what

can

> they have for next meal. It is the duty of people with knowledge

must

> work to educate the poor and village population to think on this

> line. Until that happens no one will be interested in the principle

> of " PURPOSE OF LIVING "

>

> DR.Ambekar.

> --------------------------------

>

>

> , " sadhak_insight "

> <sadhak_insight@> wrote:

> >

> > Hari Om

> > Dear fellow Seekers of truth,

> >

> > It is a well known fact that human birth is special.. All exalted

> > Souls have proclaimed this fact.. Our authoritative scriptures

also

> > have declared it & is also in lines with our limited experience

in

> > this planet..

> > The very reason why we are thinking about the purpose of life

> itself

> > is the evidence of our speciality..

> > Humans alone worry about questions like these & yearn for

something

> > higher & nobler than mundane material existance & inturn they are

> > alone blessed with the capablity to achieve those higher goals in

> > their very life span.

> >

> > Evolution always continues & has never come to a standstill. Our

> > creator alone knows where it is all heading to. But as far as our

> > limited human perception is concerned, it is not incorrect to

> > say human beings are the most evolved beings in this little

planet

> of

> > ours at this juncture & they alone are capable of evolving

> themselves

> > to further stages. If we look back in history, we can very well

see

> > how humans have evolved in both material & spiritual levels..

Where

> > as our brothers in animal & plant kingdom are still where they

were

> > 1000s of years back.. Had they been capable of this, we'd have

seen

> > them evolving too.. So no doubt, human birth is very special as

> > they alone are gifted with a discriminative intellect, although

it

> is

> > again upto them how they make use of this valuable gift from

their

> > creator..

> >

> > Again, if we look at plants & animals, we can see that their

> behavior

> > is programmed by instincts. Humans alone are capable of being

> > consciously aware of their actions, thoughts & tendencies &

> reprogram

> > themselves. We are all able to discuss this matter in this forum

> only

> > because of these abilities given to us.

> >

> > But if we reflect on why we are discussing it, we'll realise that

> it

> > is due to some incompleteness we feel about ourselves at this

> stage,

> > be it related to fear of death or uncertainity of the future or

> > anything else.. And why should we be worried about it unless

> > completeness is our very true nature itself.. Otherwise

> > it should not have disturbed us.. Swamiji used to say that hunger

> > itself is the evidence that there exists something that can

satisfy

> > the hunger..

> >

> > It is also our experience that we all are always behind acquiring

> > knowledge, which is another reason why we start discussing topics

> > like this.. This again is nothing but our natural inclination to

be

> > full in knowledge.. And it is also our experience that all our

> > actions & thoughts are propelled towards gaining happiness, which

> is

> > again an attempt by the conditioned Jeeva to regain its

> > natural state of happiness.. So there is this want to return to

> that

> > original state of fullness in each one of us, whether we are

aware

> of

> > it at this stage or not...

> >

> > So in this conditioned state, we are no longer in our natural

state

> of

> > completeness or rather not aware of it & knowingly or unknowingly

> all

> > our endevours are aimed to take ourselves to that original state

> > which is described by scriptures as Sat Chit Ananda..

> >

> > Hence all the great souls repeatedly tell us that such a special

> > human birth is not to be wasted by living like mere animals &

> running

> > behind material pursuits. We are to make use of these special

> > abilities (available to us only when we are in this human form)

to

> > awaken that dormant divinity within each one of us & firmly

resolve

> > to return to our original state. So instead of idling around in

> > this material world, let us all resolve to return back to our

> > original abode that we had left long back & long since forgotten.

> > Let us Hurry Home as Swami Chinmayananda used to say..

> >

> > What else could be the purpose of this Human life?

> >

> > Hari Om

> > Sarath

> > (sasidharan sarath)

> > ---------------------------

> >

> > Manushya does not mean two legged man or women. Manu- shya = born

> > from Manah.

> > Pashu is not four legged animal but those who oblige to bondage.

> Shiva

> > is called PASHUPATI only because he cutts off the contracts and

> > bondage of cobweb of thoughts. PASHU BALI is not sacrifice of

animal

> > but getting free from all obligations and stay undisturbed.

> >

> > Cow is therefore not PASHU and a businessman bundled with mobile

> > phones and schedules is not MANUSHYA

> >

> > Naga ji in his statement said " no other species other than humans

> can

> > recognise and enjoy why is and what is the purpose of such

variety " .

> > In fact, Tulsi das and even in the Bhagwat Gita and Durga

Saptshati,

> > the desirability of human is not high. Bhagwat gita addreses to

> Bhoot

> > (or those in physical disguises). Humans have secondary memory

and

> use

> > a framework of common references and this faculty is not of use

in

> > animals. This has advantage and disadvantage. By this

> differentiating

> > (aakash tatva), humans can have variations on higher as well as

> lower

> > sides in extremes. Krishna serviced cow, Ram serviced monkeys,

and

> > Shiva snakes. Animals are less dangerous than humans, and are

> > dependent on plants and animals for livelihood but whom it did

not

> > serve or care for and exploit it.

> >

> > Regards

> > K G

> > (Krishna Gopal)

> >

> >

> > , " sadhak_insight "

> > <sadhak_insight@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Respected Ones :

> > >

> > > Thank you very much for taking interest in my utterance. I am

> > > grateful for that as well as your love and blessings. I need

them.

> > > However, I am helpless but to note couple of things here.

Pardon

> me

> > > for my prudence. But, my intention is purely to unveil my

> ignorance

> > > further for my own benefit.

> > >

> > > " no other species other than humans can recognise and enjoy

why is

> > > and what is the purpose of such variety "

> > >

> > > I do not think I understand how exactly others truly observe

and

> > > enjoy - not just flora and fauna, even humans. I have observed

a

> > > tendency that I observe, experience and enjoy the best because

I

> > > seem to know only that. Accordingly, we develop tendencies to

> > > respect what we believe and reject what we do not. We

> categorically

> > > claim to have comprehended what we believe and categorically

> reject

> > > what we do not comprehend. It is this tendency that is called

Maya

> > > or Ignorance. Do we really have authority to judge how others

> > > observe and enjoy things?! Even so, is there any benefit for

me in

> > > doing so? Even if no benefits are there, are not there any

harms

> in

> > > doing so? I need to be careful here.

> > >

> > > " to have discrimination and curiosity to know, all the art and

> > > sciences … all this indicate towards some spacial purpose of

human

> > > birth "

> > >

> > > Do the elements like curiosity, discrimination etc. make one

> > > superior? As a matter of fact, can any perceivable element make

> any

> > > one superior? Is such superiority complex the one that is one's

> > > major misery in this life? I understand that the urge to feel

> > > special is called pride which is the back bone of the human

ego.

> If

> > > you think otherwise, pl. let me know.

> > >

> > > " there is hardly any development in the living being that

could be

> > > said to be some what superior to man "

> > >

> > > The nature has blessed the human with apparently more powerful

> tools

> > > of survival in a general sense. Yet, humans suffer more than

the

> > > rest! Why?! Instead of utilizing the thinking power it has been

> > > blessed with, the humanity has spent all its lives in self-

> > > superiority-promotion. I am not surprised by your urge for

> > > superiority. All humans do. I too do. All think that

everything in

> > > the universe is created to felicitate human superiority. Humans

> can

> > > even imagine the gods to serve them. But yet, they suffer the

> most …

> > > meekly. Don't you think the humans abuse their so called

> faculties

> > > to acquire more opaque ignorance than flora and fauna around

> > > pretending to know under the canopy of ignorance? If not, why

> there

> > > are only handful of incidences of Vyasa, Shankara, Jesus,

> > > Paramahamsa, Ramana amongst the zillions of human lives that

have

> > > been consumed in the ocean of life on earth?

> > >

> > > " you are at a status where the further evolution is almost

> stopped "

> > >

> > > I am certain that I have not understood the creation or

evolution

> > > even a bit. I do not think that I can ever understand whether

is

> has

> > > started or stopped or where it stands now. Certainly, I am not

> (and

> > > I can never be) the authority over it. Therefore, I have no

> comments

> > > on this.

> > >

> > > " …finally merging into nothingness "

> > >

> > > Finally, I feel you are talking something that is of use to me.

> Yes,

> > > if we utilize our faculties humbly to be one with that

nothingness

> > > that you are speaking off … the life is worth it. But don't you

> see

> > > that The Nothingness is the invariant wherein no purpose of

ours

> can

> > > withstand even for a moment? Don't you see that it is

the " purpose

> > > of life " conceived by the human brain that has entangled

him/her

> > > within this brain not allowing him/her to merge with The Truth,

> The

> > > Nothingness?

> > >

> > > In my opinion, all the purposes of our lives have been

concocted

> by

> > > our egos to promote this notion of superiority over the rest

> > > directly or indirectly … some times hidden even in spiritual

> > > aspirations. Until the purpose of life exists in me, my

> > > understanding is that I am not willing to relinquish my

ownership

> on

> > > actions, knowledge and experience. In that case, how can I ever

> > > attain The Truth with the help of any such purpose?

> > >

> > > I still reiterate the same that I uttered before … The ONLY

> Purpose

> > > that is useful in this life is to realize that all the

purposes of

> > > our lives are just concoctions brewed within our tiny brains

and

> > > experience that such concoctions are the very bondages that

have

> > > imprisoned us within our perceived illusive and evasive worlds

of

> > > notions and ideas. In other words, The Purpose of spirituality

is

> to

> > > drop all the purposes, the associated ownership, bondage and

> burden

> > > of our lives altogether.

> > >

> > > This is my apparent understanding at this point of time. I may

not

> > > be able to observe and recognize my ignorance in it, which is

> quite

> > > possible knowing the chains of ignorance I have unearthed in

> myself

> > > so far. Therefore, I request you to teach me if you think

> otherwise.

> > >

> > > Thank You.

> > >

> > > Respects.

> > >

> > > Naga Narayana.

> > > ------------------------------

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> --

> > --

> > > Respected G.vaidyanathan ji..

> > > My Gratitde for posting the Acharya Swami Ramsukdasji maharaj..

> > > swamiji revealed the essence of His Knowledge in simple words..

> > > our humble parnaams to Swami ji..

> > > as Brother krishna Gopal wrote..

> > > We are nityamukta..

> > > we do not need Moksa (liberation)..as atma is nityamukta

> (eternally

> > > free)..

> > > we play bounded as IT IS HIS WILL.. As we are ready..His

> sanctions

> > > frees the soul to Do His Work in the world.

> > > you are mere nimitmaatram. (an instrument).

> > > " all that is done in the Universe It is Divine through His

shakti

> > is

> > > behind all action, but He is veiled by his Yogamaya and acting

> > > through the ego of the Jiva......'

> > > Nature cannot be satisfied with the present human evolutionary

> > level..

> > > as we are sanatan ansh (part , ray of) of Ishwara (God

> > Consciousness).

> > > ck kaul

> > > ------------------------------

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> > >

> > >

> > > , " sadhak_insight "

> > > <sadhak_insight@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Message of Swamiji clearly brings out the purpose of life.

> > > > G.Vaidyanathan.

> > > >

> > > > sadhaka

> > > > sadhak_insight@

> > > > Tue, 8 Apr 2008 03:34:54 -0700

> > > > [sadhaka] Purpose of LIfe (April 8, 2008)

> > > >

> > > > :Shree Hari:

> > > >

> > > > 8th April, 2008, Tuesday

> > > > Chaitra Shukla Tritiya, Vikram Samvat 2064, Mangalvar

> > > >

> > > > God, by showering His grace has blessed us with four things -

> 1)

> > > this

> > > > human life, 2) the understanding 3) the means and 4) the

> > > > capabilities. These four things have been given to us

primarily

> > for

> > > > the purpose of realizing the Truth (attaining salvation, God

or

> > > Self

> > > > Realization).

> > > >

> > > > A very important point here is that the time, the means, the

> > > > understanding and the competencies that we currently have, if

> we

> > > > engage them all in realizing the Truth (God, Self) then

> > perfection

> > > > (realization) in human life can be achieved. We have already

> been

> > > > provided all that is needed for God Realization. And if there

> is

> > > any

> > > > thing lacking (deficiencies), then God will fulfill those

> > > > deficiencies Himself. The kingdom of God is open at all times

> for

> > > > everyone.

> > > >

> > > > It is said in the Ramcharitramanasa - " Kabahu kari karunaa

ner

> > > dehi;

> > > > Det is binu hetu sanehi. " (Manasa 7:43:3)

> > > > In man there is a feeling of uncertainty, how can I realize

> God?

> > > > However, this life, this birth is only for this purpose.

There

> is

> > > no

> > > > other purpose. Yet deep within us lingers this thought, this

> > subtle

> > > > doubt, that are we really capable ? Are we really worthy?

This

> > > > feeling of unworthiness, is the greatest obstacle in

realizing

> > God.

> > > > Just like a mother always accepts her child in her lap, no

> matter

> > > how

> > > > good or bad he is. The child is ever entitled to be in his

> > mother's

> > > > lap. Similarly we are all eligible for God Realization, no

> matter

> > > > what we are.

> > > >

> > > > God says in the Gita " Api chetsuduraachaaro, bhajate maam

> ananya

> > > bhaak

> > > > Saadhureva sa mantavyah samyagvyavasitohi saha " (Gita 9:30)

> > > > Simply speaking, even if the worst of sinners becomes Mine,

he

> > > should

> > > > be considered a saint, because he is determined to turn

towards

> > Me,

> > > > says God. Only due to his firm determination. Once this

> > > determination

> > > > is made, can wrongful actions become obstacles in God

> > Realization?

> > > Is

> > > > God so very weak that He will be stalled by few actions?

> > > >

> > > > Pay attention to this verse. It is mentioned here that God,

is

> a

> > > well-

> > > > wisher without any motive, and simply by His grace He has

> > bestowed

> > > > this human life on us, so that we can become free from

sorrows

> > and

> > > > attain Him. The implication here is that God intends for our

> > > > upliftment, our benediction. So with a little effort on our

> part,

> > > His

> > > > intention will come true.

> > > >

> > > > In summary the purpose of life is to serve others, to realize

> the

> > > > truth (Self) and to believe in God as our very own. It is for

> > > these,

> > > > that this human life, this human birth has been received.

> > > >

> > > > From Discourse in Hindi by Swami Ramsukhdasji

> > > >

> > > > Ram Ram

> > > > ----------------------------

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> --

> > --

> > > > All life have one purpose but is different for different

> people.

> > > This

> > > > purpose is liberation or MOXA but each one of us as per ones'

> > > > swabhaav (innate nature) is near and far from this end goal,

> and

> > > > therefore have different goals in short term. Life is a

> journey

> > > and

> > > > as we go up in understanding, our attachments with world

> reduces

> > > and

> > > > as we know the abstract, we get MOXA in step by step.

> > > >

> > > > MOXA is liberation and it is purpose of life. Liberation from

> > > disese,

> > > > liberation from hunger, liberation from ignorance, liberation

> > from

> > > > unwanted controls, liberation to work as per own wish,

> liberation

> > > to

> > > > work for self and family, liberation to work for community,

and

> > > > liberation for self and all. Scientists are doing work of

> > > inventing

> > > > medicines, engineers build machines, saints do the preachng,

> > > soldiers

> > > > do the war in defense, and so on. Each one is to do

> > > his/her 'niyat

> > > > karma' as per given swabhaav (nature)because it is only

> > > justification

> > > > of life at that moment. When swabhav (dharma) gets improved

> the

> > > work

> > > > also changes, and you find a laywer like Gandhi becoming

> replica

> > of

> > > > Kabir.

> > > > This is BHAGWAT GITA from begining to the end

> > > > Regards

> > > > Krishna Gopal

> > > >

> > > > ----------------------------

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> --

> > --

> > > > dear naganarayan ji.

> > > > there is lot of flora and founa arround us which no other

> species

> > > > other than humans can recognise and enjoy why is and what is

> the

> > > > purpose of such variety. Now all the living beings are born

> with

> > > > their torso in line with the earth axis. Strangely it is the

> man

> > > > only who has his torso perpendicular to the earth axis.

> Certainly

> > a

> > > > point to be probed and understood. Then, when it is the

purpose

> > of

> > > > living and dying why to have discrimination and curiosity to

> > know,

> > > > all the art and sciences. Definitly all this indicate towards

> > some

> > > > spacial purpose of human birth. Not merely living a quality

> > living.

> > > > When you probe into the cosmic evolution you will see that

from

> > > > nothingness ( nirakar) cosmic projection of matter came into

> > > > existence further development in the same evolution brought

in

> > the

> > > > living species finally culminating at the birth of human

life..

> > now

> > > > history speaks that there is hardly any development in the

> living

> > > > being that could be said to be some what superior to man.

Thus

> > you

> > > > are at a status where the further evolution is almost

stopped.

> > This

> > > > in itself indicates that man is at the threshold of finally

> > merging

> > > > into nothingness thus completing the cycle of evolution which

> > > started

> > > > from nothingnees and goes back to the same nothingness.

Which

> > in

> > > > terms of sprit is called self realisation, freedom from the

> cycle

> > > of

> > > > reincarnation. i have tried to give you the totality of the

> > purpose

> > > > of human birth in nut shell. In case you want further

> > clarification

> > > > please feel free to communicate with me thanks and lots of

love

> > and

> > > > blessings ck kaul

> > > > ----------------------------

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> --

> > --

> > > > dear all brothers and sisters on this forum

> > > > my humble parnaams to ALL

> > > > why to loose your sleep..

> > > > The Yoga means giving charge of your LIfe to The Supreme..

> > > > Let Her take care of you and Your fraility.

> > > > But you need to Surrender; this is the Secret

> > > > and the Key to the puzzle of Life

> > > > Mystery is solved once you feel Her Hand in your Life..

> > > > why worry..

> > > > the Key to evolution is Dharma,

> > > > Explore the true meaning of Dharma and follow the dharma.

> > > > the first step of this Journey...

> > > > thanks...

> > > > kuldip

> > > >

> > > > ----------------------------

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> --

> > --

> > > > Dear Friends,

> > > >

> > > > The purpose of life is to have a goal and work towards it.

Even

> > > > striving " to not have a purpose " is a goal and one obviously

> > works

> > > > for it.

> > > >

> > > > girish desai

> > > >

> > > > ----------------------------

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> --

> > --

> > > -

> > > > , " sadhak_insight "

> > > > <sadhak_insight@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Friend:

> > > > >

> > > > > This a question that has burnt me quite a bit … I lost

sleep

> for

> > > > > many months on this …

> > > > >

> > > > > The purpose of The Life cannot be determined by us as we

> remain

> > > > > miniscule specs in the infinite ocean of Life. At best, we

> can

> > say

> > > > > that the purpose of The Life is Itself. I consider the

> question

> > > > > as " what is the purpose of an individual in its life? "

> > > > >

> > > > > It is the survival program that creates this notion of

> purpose

> > of

> > > > > life in us. The ego is created to generate an identity for

an

> > > > > individual. The system is steered by the ego to enhance and

> > > protect

> > > > > this identity. That is the reason we always feel one with

> this

> > > body-

> > > > > mind cluster and always think that " I am this body/mind " .

> > > Obviously,

> > > > > the ego has to take a stand of being a guardian to

safeguard

> > this

> > > > > system in its duty. Its job is secured as far as there is a

> > > request

> > > > > for help from the system. The ego generates relations with

> the

> > > rest

> > > > > of the world to steer the system in the physical world and

> > happens

> > > > > to understand the adversities around that continuously

> threaten

> > > the

> > > > > individual system's survival. The purpose of the ego is to

> > nurture

> > > > > and safeguard the individual system at any cost.

Therefore, to

> > > > > protect its own survival it craves to look forward for

> reasons

> > how

> > > > > it can execute its job " save the system " . In a sense it

> > > assures " job

> > > > > security " to itself by imagining that it is the sole care-

> taker

> > of

> > > > > the individual system and the relations it has established

> with

> > > the

> > > > > external world. As a result, it develops a sense of

ownership

> > and

> > > > > authority over the system, its relations as well as, the

> related

> > > > > objects. The apparent purpose of life of an individual is

to

> > > > > establish, protect and enhance this ownership and

authority.

> > From

> > > > > ego's point of view, life ends in the absence of itself

which

> > is

> > > in

> > > > > a way true because it always interprets the life as its

> > perpetual

> > > > > association with the individual body-mind cluster, its

> relations

> > > > > with the world and the related objects in the world. But,

its

> > true

> > > > > worry is its own oblivion as a result of the potential loss

> of

> > > > life –

> > > > > which again is the body-mind cluster and its worldly

> > possession

> > > > > that it owns in its understanding.

> > > > >

> > > > > The very notion of " the purpose of life " is generated for

its

> > > ever-

> > > > > lasting and never-achieved quest for eternity within its

> > > authority.

> > > > > It poses this question to itself whenever there is a threat

> to

> > > > life –

> > > > > that is its own existence. The quest in the background

> is " Is

> > > > there

> > > > > any benefit for me? If so, let me encourage the

environment.

> Is

> > > > > there is any threat for my existence? Then let me thwart

the

> > > > > environment. If not possible, let me escape at least. "

> > Basically,

> > > > > the purpose of life for the ego is a perpetual saga of

> > diplomacy,

> > > > > fight and escape with reference to its environment. Due to

the

> > > > > notion of existence it has created for itself it is

> perpetually

> > > > > chased by fears that threaten its growth and existence

while

> it

> > > > > eternally chases the desires that show potential

congeniality

> > to

> > > its

> > > > > existence and growth. It believes that the only fuel that

can

> be

> > > > > adapted in its journey to successfully achieve its ends –

to

> > > acquire

> > > > > and safeguard ownership – is this notion, THE PURPOSE OF

> LIFE!

> > It

> > > > > hangs on to it so dearly that no one can literally fight

> > against

> > > it.

> > > > > One has to satisfy this guardian of all actions to take up

any

> > > > > action – that is the authority ego has assigned to its own

> > notion.

> > > > > Even in spirituality, one has to appease this gate keeper

to

> > > explore

> > > > > any possibilities outside. The fellow is really sticky and

> > won't

> > > let

> > > > > you free of itself all through your exploration just like

> > > > > Nakshatrika on King Harischandra's shoulder.

> > > > >

> > > > > In fact, the " purpose of life " is the biggest hurdle for

the

> > > > > progress in spirituality since it is this notion that

> empowers

> > the

> > > > > ego steadfast against a spiritual quest. Unless one faces

it

> > > > > correctly, it is impossible to face the ego … and hence

> > impossible

> > > > > to drop ownership … and hence impossible to attain The

Bliss

> > void

> > > of

> > > > > desires and fears.

> > > > >

> > > > > As spiritual seekers, we need to acknowledge and respect

this

> > > > > fellow – the purpose of life – in proper light. In my

> opinion,

> > the

> > > > > purpose of spirituality is to seek the same in this purpose

> of

> > > life

> > > > > to eliminate all the purposes of life imagined by oneself.

The

> > > > > purpose of spirituality drops off automatically in the

> absence

> > of

> > > > > the rest of the purposes.

> > > > >

> > > > > My understanding on this quest is: Do not try to look for

the

> > > > > purpose. Become the purpose. Be the purpose. As Tilakji has

> > > > > beautifully observed – the pot never seeks the purpose of

its

> > > > > creation ... why us? The pot instantly becomes the purpose

> > why

> > > not

> > > > > us?

> > > > >

> > > > > Respects.

> > > > >

> > > > > Naga Narayana.

> > > > > --------------------------

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> --

> > --

> > > -

> > > > > my dear divine souls!

> > > > >

> > > > > my humble parnaams.......

> > > > >

> > > > > The purpose of Life is only... to Know Thy Self..

> > > > > when we focus our energies in wordly pursuits..

> > > > > we are in the Nature of Ignorance and do not understand the

> > > Meaning

> > > > > of life.

> > > > >

> > > > > We humans have reached the final stage of evolution where

we

> > have

> > > > the

> > > > > mind, and we can the understanding of what is Ultimate good

> and

> > > what

> > > > > is evil in us.

> > > > > We in the very nature are God in disguise.. Ishwar is our

> true

> > > natue

> > > > > who is Love, Beauty, Power, Knowledge..Bliss (Ananda), but

we

> > are

> > > > > here not experiencing these attributes of God.

> > > > > so the purpose of Life is only to arrive at our True

Nature..

> > > > >

> > > > > Janam mritu jara vyadhi dukh doshanu darshnam..

> > > > > A keen perception of the defective nature of the ordinary

> > physical

> > > > > man and its aimless and painful subjection to birth, death,

> > > disease

> > > > > and age..bg.13 9

> > > > >

> > > > > thanks...

> > > > > kuldip

> > > > >

> > > > > --------------------------

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> --

> > --

> > > -

> > > > >

> > > > > The purpose of Life is to be useful to others, both animate

> and

> > > > > inanimate and help without any expectation of rewards and

> > achieve

> > > > the

> > > > > goal of NO REBIRTH.

> > > > >

> > > > > G.Vaidyanathan

> > > > >

> > > > > --------------------------

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> --

> > --

> > > -

> > > > > If we all believe and to the Vedantic thoughts,

> then

> > the

> > > > > purpose of life is to get redemption from the cycle of

death,

> > > > rebirth

> > > > > etc brought about by our limitless karmas. Gita clearly

says

> > that

> > > we

> > > > > are bound in this Samsara and unless we surrender to Him

> > totally,

> > > > > (Chapter 18 Sloka 66) there is no way that we could obtain

> > > salvation

> > > > > on our own. He is the only one who has the Power to wipe

out

> > all

> > > our

> > > > > karmas (both good and bad) that would enable us to be in

> eternal

> > > > > bliss with Him. After this total surrender, we continue to

> live

> > > in a

> > > > > detached way leading a Dharmic life and simply wait for the

> > final

> > > > > salvation until our time comes to depart from this

> > > world. " Detached "

> > > > > does not mean we do not look after our family or the

society.

> > It

> > > is

> > > > > performing our dharmic karmas without expectation of any

> > reward.

> > > The

> > > > > outcome of our action is also surrendered to Lord krishna.

> > > > >

> > > > > I believe this is the essence and purpose of life. Since we

> > have

> > > put

> > > > > our trust in Him, it is for Him to look after us during the

> > rest

> > > of

> > > > > our life.

> > > > >

> > > > > Humble servant of the God

> > > > > G Rangarajan

> > > > > --------------------------

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> --

> > --

> > > -

> > > > > Dear Sadhakas,

> > > > >

> > > > > Virtue and vice, happiness and sorrow are all attributes of

> the

> > > > mind,

> > > > > not of Yourself, O All-pervading One!

> > > > > You are neither the " doer " nor the " enjoyer " . Indeed, you

are

> > > ever-

> > > > > free!!!

> > > > >

> > > > > Dharma Dharmau Sukham Dukham Manasani na te vibho

> > > > > Na Karta-si na Bhogta-si Mukta evasi sarvada

> > > > > (Ashtawakra Gita Chapter 1 verse 6)

> > > > >

> > > > > As long as there is the EGO....this identity with the BODY,

> > MIND &

> > > > > INTELLECT, will keep us all in the dualities of life. The

> sense

> > > > > of 'doership' and/or 'enjoyership' gives the feeling of

good

> &

> > > bad,

> > > > > happiness & unhappiness, joy & sorrow. The moment....ego

> > > > > disappears....the identity also disappears and the true

> Eternal

> > > > > Blissful Self appears..where there are no questions or

> > confusions.

> > > > >

> > > > > Hare Ram Hare Ram

> > > > > Ram Ram Hare Hare

> > > > > Hare Krishna Hare Krishna

> > > > > Krishna Krsihna Hare Hare

> > > > >

> > > > > Abhinav Mehta

> > > > >

> > > > > --------------------------

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> --

> > --

> > > > > Life loses its purpose unless guided by God.

> > > > > Many cultures have within their lore stories similar to

> Hänsel

> > and

> > > > > Gretel, a tale of Germanic origin and adapted by the

Brothers

> > > Grimm:

> > > > > people happy and cared for, subsequent misfortune, loss,

> > apparent

> > > > > escape, even greater danger and final deliverance. When the

> > > > children are lost in the woods we read these words: " ...as

> > (Hänsel)

> > > > walked through the trees, he left a trail of crumbs behind

him

> to

> > > > mark the way. "

> > > > >

> > > > > How often do we feel like these lost children, wandering

> > through a

> > > > > life that seems dark with dangerous shadows, not only

unsure

> of

> > > our

> > > > > destination, but uncertain which fork of the road to take.

> > > Perhaps

> > > > it

> > > > > is job uncertainty, or career choices or relationship

> > questions.

> > > > Sometimes it is even doubt about God's love or leading. What

> are

> > > some

> > > > crumbs on the path to mark our way?

> > > > >

> > > > > Author John Baillie writes, " I thank Thee that this

Christian

> > way

> > > > > whereon I walk is no untried or uncharted road, but a road

> > beaten

> > > > > hard by the footsteps of saints, apostles, prophets, and

> > martyrs.

> > > I

> > > > > thank Thee for the finger-posts and danger signals with

which

> > it

> > > is

> > > > > marked at every turning and which may be known to me

through

> > > study

> > > > of

> > > > > the Bible and of all history, and of all the great

literature

> > of

> > > the

> > > > > world. "

> > > > >

> > > > > God often directs us through the quiet voice of his Spirit

> > > speaking

> > > > to

> > > > > the inner places of our own spirits, but He has also given

us

> > more

> > > > > visible crumbs along the way. It is of vital importance

> that

> > we

> > > > pay

> > > > > close attention to those crumbs.

> > > > >

> > > > > Bread crumbs don't seem like much, Lord, but sometimes

those

> > > crumbs

> > > > > are all we have to follow. Thank you that through your Holy

> > > Spirit

> > > > the

> > > > > crumbs can be magnified and thus visible to our seeking

eyes.

> > > > >

> > > > > yeshu rathenam

> > > > > --------------------------

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> --

> > --

> > > > > Adarniya Bhaktjan,

> > > > >

> > > > > Praman

> > > > >

> > > > > I am writing below about the Purpose of life which may be

> > useful

> > > in

> > > > > doing spirituality.

> > > > >

> > > > > From a spiritual perspective, there are two generic reasons

> why

> > we

> > > > > are born. These reasons define the purpose of our lives at

> the

> > > most

> > > > > basic level. They are:

> > > > > - To complete the give-and-take account we have with

various

> > > > people -

> > > > > - To make spiritual progress with the final aim of merging

> > into

> > > God

> > > > > and therefore getting out of the cycle of birth and death.

> > > > >

> > > > > Completing our give-and-take account

> > > > > Over many lifetimes, we accumulate many give-and-take

> accounts

> > > that

> > > > > are a direct result of our deeds and actions. The accounts

> may

> > be

> > > > > positive or negative depending on the positive or negative

> > nature

> > > of

> > > > > our actions. As a rule of thumb, in the current era

> > approximately

> > > > 65%

> > > > > of our lives are destined (not within our control) and 35%

of

> > our

> > > > > lives are governed by our own freewill. All major events in

> our

> > > life

> > > > > are by and large destined. These events include our birth,

> the

> > > > family

> > > > > we are born into, the person (or persons) we marry, the

> > children

> > > we

> > > > > have, serious illnesses and the time of our death. The

> > happiness

> > > and

> > > > > pain that we give and receive from loved ones and

> acquaintances

> > > are

> > > > > by and large simply a case of prior give-and-take accounts

> > > directing

> > > > > the way relationships unravel and play out.

> > > > >

> > > > > However even our destiny in the current lifetime is just a

> > > fraction

> > > > > of the accumulated give-and take account that we amass over

> many

> > > > > lifetimes.

> > > > > In our lifetime, while we do complete our give-and-take

> account

> > > and

> > > > > destiny earmarked for this particular lifetime of ours, we

> also

> > > end

> > > > > up creating more accounts by using our wilful action. This

in

> > turn

> > > > > finally adds up to our overall give-and-take account known

as

> > the

> > > > > accumulated account. As a result, we have to be born again

to

> > > settle

> > > > > further give-and-take accounts and are stuck in the cycle

of

> > birth

> > > > > and death.

> > > > >

> > > > > Making spiritual progress

> > > > > The ultimate in spiritual development in any Spiritual

path is

> > > > > merging with God. `Merging with God' means experiencing God

> > > within

> > > > us

> > > > > and all around us and not identifying with our five senses,

> > mind

> > > and

> > > > > intellect. This happens at the 100% spiritual level. Most

> > people

> > > in

> > > > > today's world are at the 20-25% spiritual level and are

> > > disinclined

> > > > > to any spiritual practice for spiritual development. They

also

> > > > > heavily identify with their 5 senses, mind and intellect.

> This

> > is

> > > > > reflected in our lives when we focus mainly on our looks or

> are

> > > > > arrogant about our intelligence or success.

> > > > >

> > > > > By spiritual practice when we grow to the spiritual level

of

> > 80%,

> > > we

> > > > > are liberated from the cycle of birth and death. After this

> > > > spiritual

> > > > > level, we can settle whatever remaining give-and-take

> accounts

> > we

> > > > > have from the higher subtle realms of Mahaaloka and above.

> > > Sometimes

> > > > > however, people above the 80% spiritual level may choose to

> be

> > > born

> > > > > on Earth to guide humanity in Spirituality.

> > > > >

> > > > > Rahul Kinger

> > > > > --------------------------

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> --

> > --

> > > -

> > > > > , " sadhak_insight "

> > > > > <sadhak_insight@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I request SWAMI SHRI RAMSUKHDASJI to comments and provide

> some

> > > > > > guidance so that we can generate more opnions and

awareness

> > on

> > > > this

> > > > > > subject.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thanks. Namaste.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Darshan Goswami

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ------------------------

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> --

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Sir,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I am a student of Gita. I am also a student of world

> history.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The Purpose of Living is a constant theme of the

Perennial

> > > > > > Philosophy ie. Vedanta.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I have always been inspired by the thoughts of the Roman

> > emperor

> > > > > > Marcus Aurelius who I believe was a true Vedantin in his

> > > approach

> > > > > to

> > > > > > the question " What is the purpose of Human life " .

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I reproduce below his notes from his famous

> > book " Meditations " .

> > > > > Hope

> > > > > > it might be of interest to members of your cyber-

satsangh.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Best regds,

> > > > > > daasan Sudarshan MK

> > > > > >

> > > > > > **************************

> > > > > > " Remember two things:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 1. that everything has always been the same, and keeps

> > > recurring,

> > > > > > and it makes no difference whether you see the same

things

> > > recur

> > > > in

> > > > > > a hundred years or two hundred or in an infinite period;

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 2. that the longest-lived and those who will die soonest

> lose

> > > the

> > > > > > same thing. The present is all that they can give up,

since

> > > that

> > > > is

> > > > > > all you have, and what you do not have, you cannot lose.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > " The human soul degrades itself:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 1. above all when it does its best to become an abscess,

a

> > kind

> > > of

> > > > > > detached growth on the world. To be disgruntled at

anything

> > that

> > > > > > happens is a kind of secession from Nature, which

comprises

> > the

> > > > > > nature of all things.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 2. when it turns its back on another person or sets out

to

> > harm

> > > to

> > > > > > do it harm, as the souls of the angry do.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 3. when it is overpowered by pleasure or pain.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 4. when it puts on a mask and does or says something

> > artificial

> > > or

> > > > > > false.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 5. when it allows its actions and impulse to be without a

> > > purpose,

> > > > > > to be random and disconnected: even the smallest things

> ought

> > > to

> > > > be

> > > > > > directed toward a goal. But the goal of rational beings

is

> to

> > > > follow

> > > > > > the rule and law of the most ancient of communities and

> > states.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ************

> > > > > >

> > > > > > " Human Life:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Duration: momentary

> > > > > > Nature: changeable

> > > > > > Perception: dim

> > > > > > Condition of Body: decaying

> > > > > > Soul: spinning around

> > > > > > Fortune: unpredictable

> > > > > > Lasting fame: uncertain

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Sum Up: the body and its parts are a river, the soul a

> dream

> > and

> > > > > > mist, life is warfare and a journey far from home,

lasting

> > > > > > reputation is oblivion.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Then what guides us? Only philosophy.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Which means making sure that the power within stays safe

> and

> > > free

> > > > > > from assault, above pleasure and pain, doing nothing

> randomly

> > or

> > > > > > dishonestly and with imposture, not dependent on anyone

> > else's

> > > > doing

> > > > > > something or not doing it. And making sure that it

accepts

> > what

> > > > > > happens happens and what it is dealt as coming from the

> same

> > > place

> > > > > > it came from. And above all, that it accepts death in a

> > cheerful

> > > > > > spirit, as nothing but the dissolution of the elements

from

> > > which

> > > > > > each living thing is composed. If it doesnt hurt the

> > individual

> > > > > > elements to change continually into one another, why are

> > people

> > > > > > afraid of all of them changing and separating? It's a

> natural

> > > > > thing.

> > > > > > And nothing natural is evil. "

> > > > > >

> > > > > > *********************

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Warm Regards,

> > > > > > Sudarshan

> > > > > >

> > > > > > " A life is perhaps worth nothing; but nothing certainly

is

> > > worth

> > > > > as

> > > > > > much as life " .

> > > > > > (Andre Malraux)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ------------------------

---

> --

> > --

> > > --

> > > > -

> > > > > > Dear friends,

> > > > > > The purpose of life is to be Happy. Every one is trying

to

> be

> > > > > happy.

> > > > > > However, most people do not know what happiness is.

Without

> > the

> > > > > > Knowledge of what happiness is how can one attain

> happiness.

> > It

> > > is

> > > > > > like someone who have never seen a mango and trying to

buy

> > one

> > > in

> > > > a

> > > > > > shopping center. He is totally dependent on others. There

> is

> > a

> > > > very

> > > > > > good analysis of the purpose of life and the happiness in

> Gita

> > > > > > Rahasya by BG Tilak.

> > > > > > I strongly recommend the chapter on Happiness and

> Unhappiness

> > in

> > > > > > this book. My final conclusion is at the bottom. How you

> > > proceed

> > > > in

> > > > > > life and all the value system can be derived from what

> > > happiness

> > > > is

> > > > > > and how to achieve eternal happiness. Bhagvat Gita is an

> > > > > > indispensable guide to attaining this eternal happiness.

> > > > > > basant tariyal

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ------------------------

---

> > > > > > When I create a pot out of mud, the pot - (the creation)

> does

> > > not

> > > > > > know the purpose for which it is being created. Only the

> > creator

> > > > > > knows why he made the creation. We are born to such and

such

> > > > > > parents (as we think of the body level), we are kept here

> > > through

> > > > > > them for doing some of His karmas through this body.

> > Actually

> > > we

> > > > > > are never born and will never die from the Atma level. We

> > humans

> > > > > > think from the physical and mental level only that is why

> this

> > > > > > confusion.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > vanaja nair

> > > > > > ------------------------

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> --

> > --

> > > --

> > > > --

> > > > > > , " sadhak_insight "

> > > > > > <sadhak_insight@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Sadhakas, Namaste!

> > > > > > > The purpose of living is implicit in correct

> understanding

> > of

> > > > > > life!

> > > > > > > It would seem that living in peace, harmony, love,

joy, is

> > > > > > intrinsic

> > > > > > > to our nature.

> > > > > > > If one is joyous, in peace, and loving, one would like

to

> > stay

> > > > > > there

> > > > > > > as much as possible. No one would say " let me be

unhappy

> > now,

> > > I

> > > > > am

> > > > > > > bored being happy " . However, when one is in pain,

unhappy,

> > > > > > restless,

> > > > > > > angry, etc then one would like to push them away as

soon

> as

> > > they

> > > > > > can

> > > > > > > to be in happy state. This shows our true nature is

that

> of

> > > > being

> > > > > > at

> > > > > > > peace, happy, and in harmony with our environment.

> > > > > > > SO the purpose is to live in this way, in line with

what

> God

> > > > > > intends

> > > > > > > us to live.

> > > > > > > All our pursuits are for being happy, be them for

money,

> > > power,

> > > > > > > fame, sex, religious following, or whatever one is

> running

> > > > after.

> > > > > > > One just doesn't know it and considers these pursuits

as

> > ends

> > > in

> > > > > > > themselves. Soon he/she forgets the purpose of living

and

> > > > > > attributes

> > > > > > > happiness in such objects. One gets attached to them,

> > > depending

> > > > > on

> > > > > > > them for his/her happiness, and starts possessing them

at

> > all

> > > > > > costs.

> > > > > > > In this way one gets in conflict with others as each is

> > doing

> > > > the

> > > > > > > same. This is the beginning of suffering. To realize

> one's

> > > true

> > > > > > > nature being happiness itself, peace itself, harmony

> itself

> > > and

> > > > > > thus

> > > > > > > doesn't depend on objects is of utmost importance. One

> has

> > to

> > > > > > > discover the right address of peace and happiness as

not

> > > being

> > > > in

> > > > > > > objects but within oneself.

> > > > > > > One is complete as one naturally is made, lacking

> nothing.

> > > This

> > > > > > > brings happiness in absence or in presence of objects.

> One

> > > lives

> > > > > > > apparantly individually fulfilling one's role in life

> where

> > > > > he/she

> > > > > > > is placed by God, doing selfless karmas, guided by

dharma

> > and

> > > > > > > preparing for moksha. One lives this with full

> > understanding

> > > > that

> > > > > > > one is not an individual but rather part of totality

that

> > > works

> > > > > > > through one's body-mind organism, an instrument to

> partake

> > in

> > > > > > Divine

> > > > > > > celebration, Leela. THIS IS THE PURPOSE OF LIVING as I

> see

> > it!

> > > > > > > Namaskar...Pratap

> > > > > > > (Pratap Bhatt)

> > > > > > > ----------------------

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> --

> > -

> > > > > > > My current opinion is life`s purpose is not `given`

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Everyone has been given the power to exercise his

choice

> to

> > > > > select

> > > > > > > the purpose,and then work towards attaining it.Also as

> Gita

> > > > > > says,You

> > > > > > > donot have a right to attain the purpose.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > At a deeper level,the values one selects to live by can

> be

> > > > called

> > > > > > a

> > > > > > > purpose.Is this the Dharma?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Bhave.

> > > > > > > (Prakash Bhave)

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > ----------------------

---

> --

> > --

> > > > > > > Jai Sitaramjiki.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Reference the above topic for discussion, I request the

> > > > > following:-

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > It is a very important topic for discussion. However,

> can

> > we

> > > > > > please

> > > > > > > first have the comments of SWAMI SHRI RAMSUKHDASJI as

he

> > must

> > > > > have

> > > > > > > spoken on this subject in his life time. Dhanyavad.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dhanyavad and Ram Ram.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Bhavdiy

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > SHER SINGH AGRAWAL

> > > > > > > ----------------------

---

> --

> > --

> > > > > > > Namaste,

> > > > > > > The purpose of being on this earth, is to remove all

> > VASANAS.

> > > > But

> > > > > > > while living and exhausting vasanas, we also keep

adding

> > some

> > > > > more

> > > > > > > vasanas. This gives birth and death to several birth

> cycles

> > > > > > > (jalmas). The choice is ours. By perfecting our

devotion

> > > > (Bakthi)

> > > > > > > one can obtain the resolve (sankalpan) of God (Bagavan)

> to

> > > give

> > > > > us

> > > > > > > mukthi (salvation).

> > > > > > > B.Sathyanarayan

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > ----------------------

---

> --

> > --

> > > --

> > > > > > > Namaste

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Is Atma which is present in all living beings is part

of

> > > > > Parmatama

> > > > > > > (God)

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > If yes then all living beings are connected with each

> other

> > > with

> > > > > > > strongest possible link

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Can we communicate with all living beings, other than

> man,

> > > with

> > > > > > this

> > > > > > > link

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Ramesh Suri

> > > > > > > ----------------------

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> --

> > > > > > > , " sadhak_insight "

> > > > > > > <sadhak_insight@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear MODERATOR,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Namaste!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I would like to request a discussion on a new

> > > topic, " PURPOSE

> > > > > OF

> > > > > > > > LIVING. " I am not sure if this topic has been

discussed

> > > > > before.

> > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > would really appreciate, if you can help me/us

> understand

> > > the

> > > > > > > answer

> > > > > > > > to this question.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Thanks.

> > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Darshan Goswami

> > > > > > > > --------------------

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> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > FROM THE MODERATOR

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > The following are the guidelines for Gita-Talk

> > discussions.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > GITA TALK GROUP GUIDELINES:

> > > > > > > > 1. Purpose of the group is to help Sadhakas clarify

> their

> > > > > doubts

> > > > > > > > related to Gitaji shalokas. Therefore, responses

which

> > > further

> > > > > > > > clarify the understanding of Gitaji, will only be

> posted.

> > > > > > > > 2. Wherever possible, please quote Gitaji or other

> > > scriptures

> > > > > to

> > > > > > > > substantiate your response.

> > > > > > > > 3. Kindly limit personal feelings, opinions, beliefs

> etc.

> > to

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > extent that they further help in understanding the

Gita

> > > > shlokas

> > > > > > > > 4. Please be as concise and to the point as possible,

> > > > > respecting

> > > > > > > > sadhaka's time.

> > > > > > > > 5. Kindly focus your writing to the subject at hand

> only.

> > > > > > > > 6. Please do not include links to the other sites or

> other

> > > > > > > > organizations.

> > > > > > > > 7. Kindly do not include your personal information

such

> as

> > > > > phone

> > > > > > > > number, address etc.

> > > > > > > > 8. Please do not address the response to a particular

> > > > > individual

> > > > > > > > since the message is going to the entire group.

> > > > > > > > 9. Due to the large readership, all responses may not

> be

> > > > posted.

> > > > > > > > 10. Moderator at his discretion, may modify the

> posting,

> > if

> > > > > > > content

> > > > > > > > is unclear or not appropriate for distribution to the

> > group.

> > > > > > > > 11. Please respond taking into consideration the

> novices,

> > > > > youth,

> > > > > > > > westerners, non-sectarian audience. Kindly limit the

> use

> > to

> > > > > > > Sanskrit

> > > > > > > > words only, rather provide the English word with

> Sanskrit

> > > > > > > bracketed

> > > > > > > > wherever possible.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > MODERATOR

> > > > > > > > Ram Ram

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

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