How to Concentrate on God and His Messages, When Basic Necessities are Not Met

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RAM RAM JI.

 

I m new to this group but till now I know that this is marvelous

group with lots of good thinkers on it. I am seeking your assistance.

I am a small business man with limited financial resources. I'm

losing all the way for the last 12 years and now top to bottom I'm

empty. I'm married and have two kids. I joined this satsang groups

and recently went to Shirdi n 4 jyotirlingas in MP.

 

I have tried my best to concentrate on spiritual growth and control

vasanas etc. but I can't because " khali pet bhajan na hoye gopala. "

(On an empty stomach it is difficult to be in remembrance and worship

of God) I want to learn from you all about God. Is there any way

that I can satisfy myself with whatever I have. Some time i control

my emotions which are going down but when i see my kids without the

basic necessities, I feel more and more down. I just want to ask u

all, how i concentrate on all these good words like spiritual growth

n inner strength and power of soul etc. Please feel free to teach me

anything on this platform

 

praveen taneja

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Pranams. The first and foremost thing in life is to accept whatever

happens to you as God's Prasad. He knows what you deserve and dishes

out accordingly. While I agree that it is difficult to get over

emotions, once you realise that whatever you experience is on account

of HIS Grace, your mind will become calm.

G.Vaidyanahan

-

Namadev was poverty sticken. His children craved for roti. Namadev

taught them to keep saying " Vitala- Vitala- Vitala " . Faith is our

thresh hold. Sri Rama suffered separation from Mother Sita for

years. HE suffered depression for sending Mother Sita to forest. So

many saints have been insulted and abused. Our suffering is little or

nothing.

Praveenji- Actions done in previous lives and in earlier part of our

life accumulate karmas, which are the result of our present state.

Wife, children and all are given to us by our dues towards them. One

can know this from Agastiya Nadi Astrology given by great saint

Agastiya.

 

You can visit some ancient temples, do some (small daana) in

particular to a geniune ascetic (sanyasi), say some slokas as these

can relieve you from some of the problems quicker. This is what

Bagavan has said. To get financially sufficient enough to support

your needs, you can say, the sloka, " Siddhi Buddhi Bakthi Mukthi

Pradayani------ " sri mahalakshme stotra.

Place your suffering before Bagavan Sri Krishna, and He will surely

come to your rescue. Have devotion (bakthi) and love towards GOD.

B.Sathyanarayan.

--------------------------------

Because it is difficult to be engaged in God on an empty stomach,

therefore by praying to God, it will be necessary to find a job

(work); All have to work, as has been said even by God. This is the

the way, the path.

 

in hindi (Khali phet me Muskil hai

Isliye Bhagvan se hi Prarthana karke EK achi Naukri toondna Padega

Kam tho Karnahi Padtha hai subko -Karma Yog karke ise bhagvan bi

boltha hai. Kam karo paise Kamao Pet ki POOJA karo Pahle --Is ke

bad Man ki shanti se Bhagvan ki pooja karo. Yehi tho rastha hai)

 

Even to Pray HIM we need HIS GRACE

So PRAY for HIS Grace and be prepared to WORK HARD Success will knock

at U

Student (Parthasarathi BR)

 

Seeking spirtuality..is our main purpose and aim in Life. But as a

father,husband, son and a business man..you also have obligation to

society.. so follow your innate and essential duties (Savbhav niytam

karma...) and seek God's help in your work, by fulfilling ones

dharma..

there are many stories in the puranas. " pativatra nari

became Sageand a vyadh gave guidance to a so called Tapsvi.. His

parents needed him, therefore he was instructed to not leave the

world, to seek God

 

So brother take up your Professioanl Work as part of your devotion

(Bhakti). Make all your work as Service to Divine by following

righteousness (Satya Dharma). Seek HIm in YOUR WORK, IN your

Family by serving your Wife, childrens as your Duty, and after

fulfilling your duties..give your Time to assocation with truth

(satsangs)..and other related karma which satisfy you.

 

jai siya ram parbhu ji...

yes, i have gone through this stage in life.. and i know the agony..

dear...no doubt there is quest in you ..seeking God..

this is adhyatam life.. but we also have our dharma..

obligations towards

1. family 2.spiritual growth 3. Serve Society 4. attaining

Liberation..

dear first purpose of life is to do your duties to those who have

rights over you (family etc); to seek God's help in your business, to

concenrtrate in your Professioonal and at home and after fulfillig

your duties engage in devotion (bhakti), love of God..

Love of God can be expressed through your love of wife, children,

parents,and brothers etc. as God manifests in many ways.

thanks

yr brother

kuldip

(kuldip suri)

 

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, " sadhak_insight "

<sadhak_insight wrote:

>

> RAM RAM JI.

>

> I m new to this group but till now I know that this is marvelous

> group with lots of good thinkers on it. I am seeking your

assistance.

> I am a small business man with limited financial resources. I'm

> losing all the way for the last 12 years and now top to bottom I'm

> empty. I'm married and have two kids. I joined this satsang groups

> and recently went to Shirdi n 4 jyotirlingas in MP.

>

> I have tried my best to concentrate on spiritual growth and control

> vasanas etc. but I can't because " khali pet bhajan na hoye

gopala. "

> (On an empty stomach it is difficult to be in remembrance and

worship

> of God) I want to learn from you all about God. Is there any way

> that I can satisfy myself with whatever I have. Some time i control

> my emotions which are going down but when i see my kids without the

> basic necessities, I feel more and more down. I just want to ask u

> all, how i concentrate on all these good words like spiritual

growth

> n inner strength and power of soul etc. Please feel free to teach

me

> anything on this platform

>

> praveen taneja

> -------------------------------

>

> FROM THE MODERATOR

>

> The following are the guidelines for Gita-Talk discussions.

>

> GITA TALK GROUP GUIDELINES:

> 1. Purpose of the group is to help Sadhakas clarify their doubts

> related to Gitaji shalokas. Therefore, responses which further

> clarify the understanding of Gitaji, will only be posted.

> 2. Wherever possible, please quote Gitaji or other scriptures to

> substantiate your response.

> 3. Kindly limit personal feelings, opinions, beliefs etc. to the

> extent that they further help in understanding the Gita shlokas

> 4. Please be as concise and to the point as possible, respecting

> sadhaka's time.

> 5. Kindly focus your writing to the subject at hand only.

> 6. Please do not include links to the other sites or other

> organizations.

> 7. Kindly do not include your personal information such as phone

> number, address etc.

> 8. Please do not address the response to a particular individual

> since the message is going to the entire group.

> 9. Due to the large readership, all responses may not be posted.

> 10. Moderator at his discretion, may modify the posting, if content

> is unclear or not appropriate for distribution to the group.

> 11. Please respond taking into consideration the novices, youth,

> westerners, non-sectarian audience. Kindly limit the use to

Sanskrit

> words only, rather provide the English word with Sanskrit bracketed

> wherever possible.

>

> MODERATOR

> Ram Ram

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Sadhak,

Pranaam.

Bhuke pat bhajan na hot Gopala.... Yes, this is said but on the other

hand , it is the bitter truth that when we suffer we call Gopala

(God). What is sukh (happiness)? What is dukh (unhappiness)?

Basically both are same, except that in happiness we usually forget

HIM, the supreme, Krishna, But in unhappiness, pain, sorrow (dukh) we

remember HIM all the time. That is why Kunti Ma prayed Sri Krishna to

give her dukh (sorrow) and sankat (difficulties) so that Krishna can

remain with her at all times.

According to Gita we should consider happiness (Sukh) and unhappiness

(dukh) as Summer -n- winter and bear it indifferently. Nothing stays.

They have their timings, they come and go. Based on my personal

experience, I have following suggestions-

 

1.Surrender to God completely(sarve dharm paritjya....)- know that

Karta (the doer) is not you. It is the supreme power (GOD) doing

everything. Whatever situations coming in our way is all given to us

for our own evolution. Something good is hidden in it which at this

stage we can not understand.

 

2. " karmanye vadhika raste, ma faleshu kadachana..... " " You have the

right to actions, but not to the fruits thereof " Put your best

efforts in whatever you do, and leave the result on to HIM, your

GOD. " Whatever you do, consider it as worship of God,

 

3. As per your letter it looks like you worry about your kids, I used

to do it a lot too but that was my mistake. They are not MINE at all.

Leave their responsiblity on GOPALA too. All world, and its relations

exist because of our body consciousness, when we move from body

consciousness to God consciousness, nothing exists but HIM.

 

4. If we have some strength, good qualities, virtues then every body

will love us, but what if I am weak, no virtues, only vices, only

bad, lazy, confused, full of desises (kaam), krodh (anger), moh

(attachment), lobha (greed). Who is gonna love such a bad one???

Believe me, only Krishna/Gopala/Khuda/Shiva/Maa/Jesus/ God whatever

name you have give IT. He certainly loves you, you just need to pray

and remember- My very Own God " hey mere Bhagwaan " , I am yours, Do

whatever pleases to you , I surrender to you completely " and

surrender to HIM completely, remember Him with every breath in and

out. Yes with every breath, remember HIM.

 

5. Without fail meditate, 20 minutes in the morning and 20 minutes in

the evening, trust me, this is the best pactice, all your past karmas

will dissolve rapidly and you will move automatically towards yr life

purpose...

All above words are not preaching, but just out come of my own long

ongoing struggle....

with lots of love,

a sadhika

Sadhna Karigar

 

 

Bhagavd Gita tells us that yesterday is gone. One should not grieve

for that. Tomorrow we do not know what is in store. So one should not

worry about it either. Today is ours that one can do something to

remedy the situation we are in. Also Vivekananda said that there is

no point in teaching devotion (Bhakti etc.) to a person in need of

basic needs. He said show him how to get out of the situation

today. That is the best help one can give.

 

All our inabilities to face the situation come up strong as we are

expecting specific results for our actions. If we can take away that

expectation and work towards the goal all our energies gush forward

and we will see the path for success. This is easily said than

practiced. Without human effort nothing material/spiritual can be

achieved. Miracles can happen but one cannot depend on them. They

can happen by the Grace of God at any time but not of our choice. I

followed the three step process to get over some of my problems in

the past

 

Step 1.Reduce the time of thinking about the outcome of the effort as

well as finding the cause of what happened. To put the blame on

oneself or others does not help to forget the past. Worry is the

worst enemy for progress. Gita says we are what we think. I cannot

quote the exact verse. Immersion in productive work is best way to

achieve the above state.

 

Step 2. Do the best that we can today and ask how to do any better

tomorrow

 

Step 3. What ever comes as a result, accept as Prasadam (gift) from

God and be contended as many of the Sadhakas have already said.

 

bvempaty

 

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Dear Friend:

 

Your sincerity in self observation is very much appreciable and a

great asset in spiritual progress. However, I have couple of

insights based on my experience … hope that would help.

 

1. When you feel that you lack something – be it money, position,

recognition, house, children, etc. – better work toward filling the

void. I think that is the greatest need for starting on spiritual

path. When you feel the absence of something, you can never

renuounce the same since you do not have it in the first place!

 

2. If you do not think that you lack anything such as job, wife,

children, wealth, etc., all such relations have renounced you

already. Again, there is no need to renunciate in particular.

 

3. You can renunciate only what you think you have. Please do not

misunderstand escapism to be renunciation.

 

4. Rajaneesh used to explain why it was expensive to join him –

" Spirituality requires much higher efforts both in actions and

thinking when compared to mundane works. "

So, it is better do your duty and become fit in existence,

perception and experience properly utilizing the wealth, education

and relations respectively.

 

5. No actions can be considered as spirituality – be it going

to " sacred " places or bhajans or satsang or anything else – when one

is filled with grief inside. On the other hand, any action – be it

work or worship, be it tapas (austerities) or prostitution – can be

verily spiritual if one exercises contentment within. No one can

escape actions. Spirituality has no bearing on the actual physical

act; it has bearing on your inner feelings and intentions (bhava) in

your actions. In fact, the spirituality is lost in its very search.

You can seek spirituality where you are in whatever you are doing.

Please pay close attention to Bhagavan Vyasa if you happen to read

Bhagavad Gita.

 

6. You do not need to feel guilty if you could not remember God due

to the work load. After all, nobody stops you from remembering God

while you do work!

 

7. Make work worship. Do not make worship work.

 

Ramana maharshi's used to often caution his visitors, " Don't run

away from your responsibilities, afraid of the challenges of life in

search of the truth. Facing the responsibilities and challenges of

life is the only way for breaking the associated bondages. "

 

Niyatam kuru karma tvam karma jyayohyakarmanah

Shareeraytraapi cha te na prasiddhyet akarmanah

 

I urge you not to embrace inaction to escape the burden of your

responsibilities in the name of spirituality. I appreciate the pain

you are going through. In spite of it, I request you to reconsider

all your options to succeed in life before venturing on spiritual

freedom. In fact, going through the toil of responsibilities is part

of the spiritual practice once you have opened your eyes toward

spiritualism. This is my personal appeal to you.

 

I wish you gather all the strength you can to support yourself to

your contentment.

 

Respects.

 

Naga Narayana.

-

Best wishes for Raam Navmii.

 

Compare yourself with Arjun. He and his family was hiding for many

years in forest, no food, and had no social status. But by personal

strength, each one survived and Viraat then became his friend and

relative. Arjun and Krishna and Virat are all nitya (always) and only

a symbol of characters in a situation. Krishna teaches you as Arjun

to be very careful, without ego, and without authority, and follow

own swabhaav (dharma). Your children will be more happy with little

food earned by you by your abilities given by the God, and these

condition will not remain forever. Success/failure is indication of

course correction. Ram is similar like you who was in exile and

difficulties taught him to self discovery.

 

Your e-mail is condition of everyone, and this condition becomes by

alien influences of the world that derails one from following his/her

own swabhaav. If you loose your inner self, and its natural ability,

no external learning helps. A fish does not need a Ph D in physics

for water related technology, she knows it all without efforts. If

that fish becomes student of aeronautics and puts its best effort,

she can do a Ph D but cannot fly. Remember, what is good for one, may

not be good for another.

 

You should look for your inner strengths and what you like doing.

This excercise will reveal your true nature (swabhaav) to yourself.

And when you enjoy working, every other person finds you happy and

this surplus happiness makes other persons to come close to you and

share your happiness by co-operation. Find those who are of similar

nature as you are, so that defenses do not exist, and you do not

loose your emotional and financial capacities. You should get rid of

companionship that is injurious.

 

Going to temples and fastings are a means of solitude and should not

be a distraction. These have an aim of staying close to the diety

(isht) is called Upa waas (up =near, waas = staying) or Upa asana (up

= closely asaana = sitting undisturbed). Therefore, your spending

money on travel and puja and rituals are a sort of business, and

cannot be useful. Remember ! Krishna never asked anyone to come to

his place in Dwarka. He rarely stayed in his home city, because He is

mostly out stations attending to all those in the need. Sudaama was

an exception because he had inhibition and thus lacking in a sense of

friendship. Nothing is hidden from Krishna, you can do 'up waas'

or 'upa asaana' wherever you are, and with your work and remain

always careful. Please give attention to 'Sav dhaan' (being careful)

in following verses:

 

Sri Tuslidaas says: Sav dhaan, Maanad Mad hiina, Deer Dharma Gaati,

Param Praviina.

Rama who is always careful (sav dhaan), without (hiina) ahankaar of

position (maanad) and authority (mad) patiently (dhiir) walking

(gati) on self nature (dharma), with the highest (param) skills and

ability (Praviina).

Gita says: Anpekshah Shuchir Daxah, Udaasino, Gata vyaa thah

Be wihout expectation (anpekshah) and remain careful of purity

(shuchir Daxah) and not get happy and sorrowful (udasiino) as

everything is passing one after another (gata vaya thah).

 

Sri Krishna in Bhagwat Gita gives an answer when I was trying to

understand it and get relief from my false sense of responsibility.

Sri Krishna is never in the front (face to face), He is always

standing behind. By this way, He is UPDRASTA (looking from back). He

is like a projector operator in a cinema. He puts up the reel and the

world as we see it comes before us, in the 3 dimensional realities.

As a person watching that cinema, you cannot help yourself and just

react. Sri Krishna watches you doing this reaction against the sense

of the cinema that is shown by Him from the back of you. If you are

really clever and recognized this concept, you are big success. After

that Sri Krishna becomes ANUMANTA (or giver of inner consent) to what

ever you decide in your pure heart. That means, if you ask Him why

things are not coming in the way it should be, He will advise the

course of action from the heart. In this position, you loose power to

react because you now know the source of reality, and do not get

angry on others, and remain free from bias. Sri Krishna will then

turn into BHARTA (provider). You will be very very surprised that by

your changed behaviors, certain people that have never known you will

get to know you. Your family obligation and your own will be borne

by Sri Krishna. For example, take a case of Ustad Bilmilla Khan. He

was playing Shahnayee (a little known music instrument) and this

became a source of his and his families' livelihood. Sri Krishna is

now a BHARTA. Food or income given by Sri Krishna in disguise. Very

soon, all desires come to an end. Because any small thing given by

Sri Krishna (by whatever means) is enough and desires cannot raise

their head, and leave you forever. When desires are fulfilled, Sri

Krishna looses the job of a provider (BHARTA). He then becomes BHOKTA

(consumer). The bhakta of Sri Krishna has no desire but He still has

to live and work without any of His desires. At this condition, He is

interested in a food made with nourishment of deep love. He is hungry

of love and the BHOKTA is looking for food that he can get only from

his bhakta. Sri Krishna can travel from India to US to Brazilto

wherever for a 100 mg of food of the Bhakta. This condition of Sri

Krishna is called BHOKTA. He is looking for deep love wherever it is.

He can buy, beg, borrow, or steal. He is BHOKTA or consumer of pure

love. That bhakta with Sri Krishna as BHOKTA turns to be MAHEASWAR

(Shiva – knower of advita). I cannot writ about this state and

beyond. From MAHESAR, Sri Krishna becomes PARMATMA.

 

You should look carefully every person or organization who gives you

something. Suspect him as Sri Krishna. Take care of Him, He wants to

take care of your family through you. This is His duty that you are

appointed to serve the family that you now have from 6 billion people

at the earth. If you once loose any of your children, you cannot find

him/her in the world with 6 billion populations. To leave them, and

be so called sanyasi is not what best service to Sri Krishna. Had you

a duty of a renunciate, Sri Krishna would never have given you a

family and responsibility by Himself.

 

 

Regards

K G Misra

(Krishna Gopal)

-

 

Namaste,

One commits murder and gets jailed. Should he think jail is Prasad?

His action of murder known as Brama Hatti. One robs someone money. Is

that Prasad to him? One gets addicted to alcohol. Is addiction prasad

for him? Womanising, alcoholism, murder, robbery and gambling are

known as " Panchama Padakam " means 5 great sins. What Sri Vaidhinathar

said was, one should remain divine and surrender to GOD the 6 Gunas

Kama (desires, lust), Krod (anger), Loba (greed), Madha etc

eliminated, then for that person everything is Prasad (gift of God).

B.Sathyanarayan.

 

-

Namaste,

All that happens to one is from his own account of Prarabdha

Karma/Sanchita Karma/Agami Karma. One has to suffer or enjoy from his

account. God remains ONLY witness until a person becomes Jignasu-

Gyani- Gunateetha.

Once one falls under divine grace by Bakthi, GOD bestows on him the

super natural powers (Siddhis) which saves him from any bodily pain,

metal dipression, even from calamities, saves from attacks.

Example: Ramana Rishi tumor on leg was operated and removed without

any anesthisia. Ramakrishna Parahamsa had throat cancer but

absolutely no pain.

Adi Sankara was to be slained by a person. Bagavan Narashima appeared

on one his disciple and got rid of the person who attacked.

Immedieately Sankara swamy sang sloka on Bagavan Narashimha which is

easily available. Jada Baratha was to be beheaded by canibols. Mother

Durga appeared and beheaded the canibols.Samartha Ramadoss was

suffering from high fever with shivers when Marathi king Shivaji

visited him. The showel which Ramadoss was covering, Ramadoss took it

off and kept aside. Shivaji saw the showel was shivering, while

Ramadoss became healthy.

All these great men said that it is their own karma which they are

under going. The only differance between us and them is, we could

feel the suffering. while they do not feel any suffering due to HIS

grace. We do not know when we die. But they know the date, time as to

when they are leaving this earth.

So God prasad is to persons with pure mind and divinity. For Others

HE remains witness and eargerly waits when these persons will

surrender to HIM.

This is from Bagavath Geetha and upanashids. In Geetha Bagavan

says, " Mooda " means you ignorant.

Any action yields results. Work gets money. Eat and hunger goes away.

Kill even an ant, and incur sin (papa karma). See something get

thoughts revolving. Shout at someone hydrochloric acid dumps in your

stomack and earn displeasure. Ride a car you arrive at destination.

Do service, build hospitals, feed poor etc get Indra Boga. But if one

does sincere pooja/meditation for which karma one gets DAYA (grace)

from HIM. This is only prasad that one gets from GOD directly. All

other things comes only from ones own account.

 

If any one needs proof, they can have from Kapila Geetha- Uthave

Geetha- Hamsa Geetha- even some line in Bagavth Geetha, perticularly

Bikshu Geetha said by Bagavan in Ekadasa Skadam.

Dear Sadaks I am only passing on information from the above scripts

for all sadaks to gain knowledge on one self.

Bagavan Sri Krishna said, " I am in Akshram (A Karam), I am in lion

king animal, in Garuda as Pakshi. " HE is omnipresent but He is not

that matter/thing on earth. HE is in a tree but He is not tree,

means, the energy that keeps the tree is HIM. That is it what

Prahalad said to his father. His father tried to burn him in fire,

drown him in sea, throw him from moutains, but Prahalad saw Narayana

in everything and was saved. This interferance of GOD on Baktha

during trials is Prasad and the baktha is unaware of any sufferings.

Where as ordinary person can feel the suffering because absence of

prasad. GOD is Karunyamaya, Purushotama, Daya Sindu, Apprameya.HE

never ever gives anyone sufferings or pleasures. HE only showers his

Love on us. HE never differentiate anyone. HIS grace is showers any

time any place. But we are not tuned into his frequency. Ordinary

mobile has to tuned to the tower frequency. Mind has to be tuned to

HIS frequency to receive HIS prasad.

Pardon me if I had given wrong information.

B.Sathyanarayan

--

humble parnaams to ALL

I accept Sri Vaidhyanathan's approach.. Acceptance..

the knowledge of present moment. Result of Cause...my past Fate is

the Push i am experiencing in my LIFE

but..tatiksha..(forebearance)

time is transitory...it will change...ARISE..

you are God in your secret Nature..

Nature is pushing you through your circumstances to awaken Her Hidden

to manifest.

Pain is a hammer of God..which opens the Heart.

But Yoga is the Key that Saves you, because IT IS Krishna's Promise

SHauk mat karo (don't be distressed)

ma shucheh....

alweays chant this Mantra

 

Sarva dharman paritajya; mamekam sharanb vrajeh

Aham twa serve paapebheu, mokshashehi mashucheh " (Gita 18.66)

 

IT is Krishna's Promise

do not worry my dear sweet child..

do your duties sincerely, and leave the results to Krishna's care..

 

hare krishna

 

sevak

kuldip suri

eternal child

 

--

My humble request, can someone provide reference verse number for

each of the essense mentioned below ?

 

ESSENCE OF BHAGVAD GITA

 

Whatever has happened, has happened for good.

Whatever is happening, is happening for good.

Whatever is going to happen, it will be for good.

What have you lost for which you cry?

What did you bring with you, which you have lost?

What did you produce, which has been destroyed?

You did not bring anything when you were born.

Whatever you have, you have received from Him.

Whatever you will give, you will give to Him.

You came empty handed and you will go the same way.

Whatever is yours today was somebody else's yesterday and will be

somebody else's tomorrow.

SO WHY WORRY UNNECESSARILY?

Change is the law of the universe

 

 

Thanks

 

Ganesh Bulbule

--

, " sadhak_insight "

<sadhak_insight wrote:

>

> Pranams. The first and foremost thing in life is to accept whatever

> happens to you as God's Prasad. He knows what you deserve and

dishes

> out accordingly. While I agree that it is difficult to get over

> emotions, once you realise that whatever you experience is on

account

> of HIS Grace, your mind will become calm.

> G.Vaidyanahan

> -

> Namadev was poverty sticken. His children craved for roti. Namadev

> taught them to keep saying " Vitala- Vitala- Vitala " . Faith is our

> thresh hold. Sri Rama suffered separation from Mother Sita for

> years. HE suffered depression for sending Mother Sita to forest. So

> many saints have been insulted and abused. Our suffering is little

or

> nothing.

> Praveenji- Actions done in previous lives and in earlier part of

our

> life accumulate karmas, which are the result of our present state.

> Wife, children and all are given to us by our dues towards them.

One

> can know this from Agastiya Nadi Astrology given by great saint

> Agastiya.

>

> You can visit some ancient temples, do some (small daana) in

> particular to a geniune ascetic (sanyasi), say some slokas as these

> can relieve you from some of the problems quicker. This is what

> Bagavan has said. To get financially sufficient enough to support

> your needs, you can say, the sloka, " Siddhi Buddhi Bakthi Mukthi

> Pradayani------ " sri mahalakshme stotra.

> Place your suffering before Bagavan Sri Krishna, and He will surely

> come to your rescue. Have devotion (bakthi) and love towards GOD.

> B.Sathyanarayan.

> --------------------------------

> Because it is difficult to be engaged in God on an empty stomach,

> therefore by praying to God, it will be necessary to find a job

> (work); All have to work, as has been said even by God. This is

the

> the way, the path.

>

> in hindi (Khali phet me Muskil hai

> Isliye Bhagvan se hi Prarthana karke EK achi Naukri toondna Padega

> Kam tho Karnahi Padtha hai subko -Karma Yog karke ise bhagvan bi

> boltha hai. Kam karo paise Kamao Pet ki POOJA karo Pahle --Is ke

> bad Man ki shanti se Bhagvan ki pooja karo. Yehi tho rastha hai)

>

> Even to Pray HIM we need HIS GRACE

> So PRAY for HIS Grace and be prepared to WORK HARD Success will

knock

> at U

> Student (Parthasarathi BR)

>

> Seeking spirtuality..is our main purpose and aim in Life. But as a

> father,husband, son and a business man..you also have obligation to

> society.. so follow your innate and essential duties (Savbhav

niytam

> karma...) and seek God's help in your work, by fulfilling ones

> dharma..

> there are many stories in the puranas. " pativatra nari

> became Sageand a vyadh gave guidance to a so called Tapsvi.. His

> parents needed him, therefore he was instructed to not leave the

> world, to seek God

>

> So brother take up your Professioanl Work as part of your devotion

> (Bhakti). Make all your work as Service to Divine by following

> righteousness (Satya Dharma). Seek HIm in YOUR WORK, IN your

> Family by serving your Wife, childrens as your Duty, and after

> fulfilling your duties..give your Time to assocation with truth

> (satsangs)..and other related karma which satisfy you.

>

> jai siya ram parbhu ji...

> yes, i have gone through this stage in life.. and i know the agony..

> dear...no doubt there is quest in you ..seeking God..

> this is adhyatam life.. but we also have our dharma..

> obligations towards

> 1. family 2.spiritual growth 3. Serve Society 4. attaining

> Liberation..

> dear first purpose of life is to do your duties to those who have

> rights over you (family etc); to seek God's help in your business,

to

> concenrtrate in your Professioonal and at home and after fulfillig

> your duties engage in devotion (bhakti), love of God..

> Love of God can be expressed through your love of wife, children,

> parents,and brothers etc. as God manifests in many ways.

> thanks

> yr brother

> kuldip

> (kuldip suri)

>

> =-

> , " sadhak_insight "

> <sadhak_insight@> wrote:

> >

> > RAM RAM JI.

> >

> > I m new to this group but till now I know that this is marvelous

> > group with lots of good thinkers on it. I am seeking your

> assistance.

> > I am a small business man with limited financial resources. I'm

> > losing all the way for the last 12 years and now top to bottom

I'm

> > empty. I'm married and have two kids. I joined this satsang

groups

> > and recently went to Shirdi n 4 jyotirlingas in MP.

> >

> > I have tried my best to concentrate on spiritual growth and

control

> > vasanas etc. but I can't because " khali pet bhajan na hoye

> gopala. "

> > (On an empty stomach it is difficult to be in remembrance and

> worship

> > of God) I want to learn from you all about God. Is there any way

> > that I can satisfy myself with whatever I have. Some time i

control

> > my emotions which are going down but when i see my kids without

the

> > basic necessities, I feel more and more down. I just want to ask

u

> > all, how i concentrate on all these good words like spiritual

> growth

> > n inner strength and power of soul etc. Please feel free to

teach

> me

> > anything on this platform

> >

> > praveen taneja

> > -------------------------------

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[Guest guest]

Dear friends,

When basic neccessacities troubling one in mind, it is difficult to

focus on Bhagavan (God). The equipment body is designed so. A sheep

or cow just eats, live and dies. It is designed so without

intellect. The easy way explained in Puranas is as follows.

 

Just do the best possible with dharmic way all you can do to earn

daily bread, children education, basic requirement etc. Buy a packet

of sweet just place it in front of any diety just thinking in mind

it is gift from GOD. Cook food and place a part to diety and then

eat. Buy flower to your wife, but place it before diety and then

give to your wife. So in each and every action you do. Going to bed

think of God (Kesava- Govinda- Achuda etc) and sleep not thinking

what is tomorrow. In this way you are presenting everything to GOD

and indirectly and unknowingly you are surrendering to GOD. That is

pooja- Bakthi- Meditation. God will certainly give you good future.

You will surely get best divine life atleast next birth, as in this

birth GOD knows you are undergoing your karma effect. Bagavan says

in Geetha, that HIS sankalpa will be so, that you will take birth in

divine family, you will be given opportunity in learning scripts,

vedas etc, you will be made to mingle in SatSang, you will be made

to think of HIM deeply and finally taken to HIS abode. You require

to work hard for this in this birth to attain that stage. What you

did in earlier birth you are reaping the fruits. So do not waste

time now. Just do everything in presenting to HIM by thought and

mind. That becomes MANASA pooja.

B.Sathyanarayan

--

If Arjun would not have refused to fight, there wouldn't be any

Geeta. So main aim of Geeta is to fight against Adharma and

injustice. Its no use of talking of philosophy without understanding

the main aim of Geeta. Please study first and second chapter

carefully.

Dilip Mehta

-

Sadhna ji

That was really wonderful.....

Sushil Jain

 

--

, " sadhak_insight "

<sadhak_insight wrote:

>

> Dear Sadhak,

> Pranaam.

> Bhuke pat bhajan na hot Gopala.... Yes, this is said but on the

other

> hand , it is the bitter truth that when we suffer we call Gopala

> (God). What is sukh (happiness)? What is dukh (unhappiness)?

> Basically both are same, except that in happiness we usually

forget

> HIM, the supreme, Krishna, But in unhappiness, pain, sorrow (dukh)

we

> remember HIM all the time. That is why Kunti Ma prayed Sri Krishna

to

> give her dukh (sorrow) and sankat (difficulties) so that Krishna

can

> remain with her at all times.

> According to Gita we should consider happiness (Sukh) and

unhappiness

> (dukh) as Summer -n- winter and bear it indifferently. Nothing

stays.

> They have their timings, they come and go. Based on my personal

> experience, I have following suggestions-

>

> 1.Surrender to God completely(sarve dharm paritjya....)- know that

> Karta (the doer) is not you. It is the supreme power (GOD) doing

> everything. Whatever situations coming in our way is all given to

us

> for our own evolution. Something good is hidden in it which at

this

> stage we can not understand.

>

> 2. " karmanye vadhika raste, ma faleshu kadachana..... " " You have

the

> right to actions, but not to the fruits thereof " Put your best

> efforts in whatever you do, and leave the result on to HIM, your

> GOD. " Whatever you do, consider it as worship of God,

>

> 3. As per your letter it looks like you worry about your kids, I

used

> to do it a lot too but that was my mistake. They are not MINE at

all.

> Leave their responsiblity on GOPALA too. All world, and its

relations

> exist because of our body consciousness, when we move from body

> consciousness to God consciousness, nothing exists but HIM.

>

> 4. If we have some strength, good qualities, virtues then every

body

> will love us, but what if I am weak, no virtues, only vices, only

> bad, lazy, confused, full of desises (kaam), krodh (anger), moh

> (attachment), lobha (greed). Who is gonna love such a bad one???

> Believe me, only Krishna/Gopala/Khuda/Shiva/Maa/Jesus/ God

whatever

> name you have give IT. He certainly loves you, you just need to

pray

> and remember- My very Own God " hey mere Bhagwaan " , I am yours, Do

> whatever pleases to you , I surrender to you completely " and

> surrender to HIM completely, remember Him with every breath in and

> out. Yes with every breath, remember HIM.

>

> 5. Without fail meditate, 20 minutes in the morning and 20 minutes

in

> the evening, trust me, this is the best pactice, all your past

karmas

> will dissolve rapidly and you will move automatically towards yr

life

> purpose...

> All above words are not preaching, but just out come of my own

long

> ongoing struggle....

> with lots of love,

> a sadhika

> Sadhna Karigar

>

>

> Bhagavd Gita tells us that yesterday is gone. One should not

grieve

> for that. Tomorrow we do not know what is in store. So one should

not

> worry about it either. Today is ours that one can do something to

> remedy the situation we are in. Also Vivekananda said that there

is

> no point in teaching devotion (Bhakti etc.) to a person in need of

> basic needs. He said show him how to get out of the situation

> today. That is the best help one can give.

>

> All our inabilities to face the situation come up strong as we are

> expecting specific results for our actions. If we can take away

that

> expectation and work towards the goal all our energies gush

forward

> and we will see the path for success. This is easily said than

> practiced. Without human effort nothing material/spiritual can be

> achieved. Miracles can happen but one cannot depend on them. They

> can happen by the Grace of God at any time but not of our choice.

I

> followed the three step process to get over some of my problems in

> the past

>

> Step 1.Reduce the time of thinking about the outcome of the effort

as

> well as finding the cause of what happened. To put the blame on

> oneself or others does not help to forget the past. Worry is the

> worst enemy for progress. Gita says we are what we think. I

cannot

> quote the exact verse. Immersion in productive work is best way to

> achieve the above state.

>

> Step 2. Do the best that we can today and ask how to do any better

> tomorrow

>

> Step 3. What ever comes as a result, accept as Prasadam (gift)

from

> God and be contended as many of the Sadhakas have already said.

>

> bvempaty

>

> -

> Dear Friend:

>

> Your sincerity in self observation is very much appreciable and a

> great asset in spiritual progress. However, I have couple of

> insights based on my experience … hope that would help.

>

> 1. When you feel that you lack something – be it money, position,

> recognition, house, children, etc. – better work toward filling the

> void. I think that is the greatest need for starting on spiritual

> path. When you feel the absence of something, you can never

> renuounce the same since you do not have it in the first place!

>

> 2. If you do not think that you lack anything such as job, wife,

> children, wealth, etc., all such relations have renounced you

> already. Again, there is no need to renunciate in particular.

>

> 3. You can renunciate only what you think you have. Please do not

> misunderstand escapism to be renunciation.

>

> 4. Rajaneesh used to explain why it was expensive to join him –

> " Spirituality requires much higher efforts both in actions and

> thinking when compared to mundane works. "

> So, it is better do your duty and become fit in existence,

> perception and experience properly utilizing the wealth, education

> and relations respectively.

>

> 5. No actions can be considered as spirituality – be it going

> to " sacred " places or bhajans or satsang or anything else – when

one

> is filled with grief inside. On the other hand, any action – be it

> work or worship, be it tapas (austerities) or prostitution – can

be

> verily spiritual if one exercises contentment within. No one can

> escape actions. Spirituality has no bearing on the actual physical

> act; it has bearing on your inner feelings and intentions (bhava)

in

> your actions. In fact, the spirituality is lost in its very

search.

> You can seek spirituality where you are in whatever you are doing.

> Please pay close attention to Bhagavan Vyasa if you happen to read

> Bhagavad Gita.

>

> 6. You do not need to feel guilty if you could not remember God due

> to the work load. After all, nobody stops you from remembering God

> while you do work!

>

> 7. Make work worship. Do not make worship work.

>

> Ramana maharshi's used to often caution his visitors, " Don't run

> away from your responsibilities, afraid of the challenges of life

in

> search of the truth. Facing the responsibilities and challenges of

> life is the only way for breaking the associated bondages. "

>

> Niyatam kuru karma tvam karma jyayohyakarmanah

> Shareeraytraapi cha te na prasiddhyet akarmanah

>

> I urge you not to embrace inaction to escape the burden of your

> responsibilities in the name of spirituality. I appreciate the pain

> you are going through. In spite of it, I request you to reconsider

> all your options to succeed in life before venturing on spiritual

> freedom. In fact, going through the toil of responsibilities is

part

> of the spiritual practice once you have opened your eyes toward

> spiritualism. This is my personal appeal to you.

>

> I wish you gather all the strength you can to support yourself to

> your contentment.

>

> Respects.

>

> Naga Narayana.

> -

> Best wishes for Raam Navmii.

>

> Compare yourself with Arjun. He and his family was hiding for many

> years in forest, no food, and had no social status. But by

personal

> strength, each one survived and Viraat then became his friend and

> relative. Arjun and Krishna and Virat are all nitya (always) and

only

> a symbol of characters in a situation. Krishna teaches you as

Arjun

> to be very careful, without ego, and without authority, and follow

> own swabhaav (dharma). Your children will be more happy with

little

> food earned by you by your abilities given by the God, and these

> condition will not remain forever. Success/failure is indication

of

> course correction. Ram is similar like you who was in exile and

> difficulties taught him to self discovery.

>

> Your e-mail is condition of everyone, and this condition becomes

by

> alien influences of the world that derails one from following

his/her

> own swabhaav. If you loose your inner self, and its natural

ability,

> no external learning helps. A fish does not need a Ph D in physics

> for water related technology, she knows it all without efforts. If

> that fish becomes student of aeronautics and puts its best effort,

> she can do a Ph D but cannot fly. Remember, what is good for one,

may

> not be good for another.

>

> You should look for your inner strengths and what you like doing.

> This excercise will reveal your true nature (swabhaav) to

yourself.

> And when you enjoy working, every other person finds you happy and

> this surplus happiness makes other persons to come close to you

and

> share your happiness by co-operation. Find those who are of

similar

> nature as you are, so that defenses do not exist, and you do not

> loose your emotional and financial capacities. You should get rid

of

> companionship that is injurious.

>

> Going to temples and fastings are a means of solitude and should

not

> be a distraction. These have an aim of staying close to the diety

> (isht) is called Upa waas (up =near, waas = staying) or Upa asana

(up

> = closely asaana = sitting undisturbed). Therefore, your spending

> money on travel and puja and rituals are a sort of business, and

> cannot be useful. Remember ! Krishna never asked anyone to come to

> his place in Dwarka. He rarely stayed in his home city, because He

is

> mostly out stations attending to all those in the need. Sudaama

was

> an exception because he had inhibition and thus lacking in a sense

of

> friendship. Nothing is hidden from Krishna, you can do 'up waas'

> or 'upa asaana' wherever you are, and with your work and remain

> always careful. Please give attention to 'Sav dhaan' (being

careful)

> in following verses:

>

> Sri Tuslidaas says: Sav dhaan, Maanad Mad hiina, Deer Dharma

Gaati,

> Param Praviina.

> Rama who is always careful (sav dhaan), without (hiina) ahankaar

of

> position (maanad) and authority (mad) patiently (dhiir) walking

> (gati) on self nature (dharma), with the highest (param) skills

and

> ability (Praviina).

> Gita says: Anpekshah Shuchir Daxah, Udaasino, Gata vyaa thah

> Be wihout expectation (anpekshah) and remain careful of purity

> (shuchir Daxah) and not get happy and sorrowful (udasiino) as

> everything is passing one after another (gata vaya thah).

>

> Sri Krishna in Bhagwat Gita gives an answer when I was trying to

> understand it and get relief from my false sense of

responsibility.

> Sri Krishna is never in the front (face to face), He is always

> standing behind. By this way, He is UPDRASTA (looking from back).

He

> is like a projector operator in a cinema. He puts up the reel and

the

> world as we see it comes before us, in the 3 dimensional

realities.

> As a person watching that cinema, you cannot help yourself and

just

> react. Sri Krishna watches you doing this reaction against the

sense

> of the cinema that is shown by Him from the back of you. If you

are

> really clever and recognized this concept, you are big success.

After

> that Sri Krishna becomes ANUMANTA (or giver of inner consent) to

what

> ever you decide in your pure heart. That means, if you ask Him why

> things are not coming in the way it should be, He will advise the

> course of action from the heart. In this position, you loose power

to

> react because you now know the source of reality, and do not get

> angry on others, and remain free from bias. Sri Krishna will then

> turn into BHARTA (provider). You will be very very surprised that

by

> your changed behaviors, certain people that have never known you

will

> get to know you. Your family obligation and your own will be

borne

> by Sri Krishna. For example, take a case of Ustad Bilmilla Khan.

He

> was playing Shahnayee (a little known music instrument) and this

> became a source of his and his families' livelihood. Sri Krishna

is

> now a BHARTA. Food or income given by Sri Krishna in disguise.

Very

> soon, all desires come to an end. Because any small thing given by

> Sri Krishna (by whatever means) is enough and desires cannot raise

> their head, and leave you forever. When desires are fulfilled,

Sri

> Krishna looses the job of a provider (BHARTA). He then becomes

BHOKTA

> (consumer). The bhakta of Sri Krishna has no desire but He still

has

> to live and work without any of His desires. At this condition, He

is

> interested in a food made with nourishment of deep love. He is

hungry

> of love and the BHOKTA is looking for food that he can get only

from

> his bhakta. Sri Krishna can travel from India to US to Brazilto

> wherever for a 100 mg of food of the Bhakta. This condition of Sri

> Krishna is called BHOKTA. He is looking for deep love wherever it

is.

> He can buy, beg, borrow, or steal. He is BHOKTA or consumer of

pure

> love. That bhakta with Sri Krishna as BHOKTA turns to be MAHEASWAR

> (Shiva – knower of advita). I cannot writ about this state and

> beyond. From MAHESAR, Sri Krishna becomes PARMATMA.

>

> You should look carefully every person or organization who gives

you

> something. Suspect him as Sri Krishna. Take care of Him, He wants

to

> take care of your family through you. This is His duty that you

are

> appointed to serve the family that you now have from 6 billion

people

> at the earth. If you once loose any of your children, you cannot

find

> him/her in the world with 6 billion populations. To leave them,

and

> be so called sanyasi is not what best service to Sri Krishna. Had

you

> a duty of a renunciate, Sri Krishna would never have given you a

> family and responsibility by Himself.

>

>

> Regards

> K G Misra

> (Krishna Gopal)

> -

>

> Namaste,

> One commits murder and gets jailed. Should he think jail is

Prasad?

> His action of murder known as Brama Hatti. One robs someone money.

Is

> that Prasad to him? One gets addicted to alcohol. Is addiction

prasad

> for him? Womanising, alcoholism, murder, robbery and gambling are

> known as " Panchama Padakam " means 5 great sins. What Sri

Vaidhinathar

> said was, one should remain divine and surrender to GOD the 6

Gunas

> Kama (desires, lust), Krod (anger), Loba (greed), Madha etc

> eliminated, then for that person everything is Prasad (gift of

God).

> B.Sathyanarayan.

>

> -

> Namaste,

> All that happens to one is from his own account of Prarabdha

> Karma/Sanchita Karma/Agami Karma. One has to suffer or enjoy from

his

> account. God remains ONLY witness until a person becomes Jignasu-

> Gyani- Gunateetha.

> Once one falls under divine grace by Bakthi, GOD bestows on him

the

> super natural powers (Siddhis) which saves him from any bodily

pain,

> metal dipression, even from calamities, saves from attacks.

> Example: Ramana Rishi tumor on leg was operated and removed

without

> any anesthisia. Ramakrishna Parahamsa had throat cancer but

> absolutely no pain.

> Adi Sankara was to be slained by a person. Bagavan Narashima

appeared

> on one his disciple and got rid of the person who attacked.

> Immedieately Sankara swamy sang sloka on Bagavan Narashimha which

is

> easily available. Jada Baratha was to be beheaded by canibols.

Mother

> Durga appeared and beheaded the canibols.Samartha Ramadoss was

> suffering from high fever with shivers when Marathi king Shivaji

> visited him. The showel which Ramadoss was covering, Ramadoss took

it

> off and kept aside. Shivaji saw the showel was shivering, while

> Ramadoss became healthy.

> All these great men said that it is their own karma which they are

> under going. The only differance between us and them is, we could

> feel the suffering. while they do not feel any suffering due to

HIS

> grace. We do not know when we die. But they know the date, time as

to

> when they are leaving this earth.

> So God prasad is to persons with pure mind and divinity. For

Others

> HE remains witness and eargerly waits when these persons will

> surrender to HIM.

> This is from Bagavath Geetha and upanashids. In Geetha Bagavan

> says, " Mooda " means you ignorant.

> Any action yields results. Work gets money. Eat and hunger goes

away.

> Kill even an ant, and incur sin (papa karma). See something get

> thoughts revolving. Shout at someone hydrochloric acid dumps in

your

> stomack and earn displeasure. Ride a car you arrive at

destination.

> Do service, build hospitals, feed poor etc get Indra Boga. But if

one

> does sincere pooja/meditation for which karma one gets DAYA

(grace)

> from HIM. This is only prasad that one gets from GOD directly. All

> other things comes only from ones own account.

>

> If any one needs proof, they can have from Kapila Geetha- Uthave

> Geetha- Hamsa Geetha- even some line in Bagavth Geetha,

perticularly

> Bikshu Geetha said by Bagavan in Ekadasa Skadam.

> Dear Sadaks I am only passing on information from the above

scripts

> for all sadaks to gain knowledge on one self.

> Bagavan Sri Krishna said, " I am in Akshram (A Karam), I am in lion

> king animal, in Garuda as Pakshi. " HE is omnipresent but He is not

> that matter/thing on earth. HE is in a tree but He is not tree,

> means, the energy that keeps the tree is HIM. That is it what

> Prahalad said to his father. His father tried to burn him in fire,

> drown him in sea, throw him from moutains, but Prahalad saw

Narayana

> in everything and was saved. This interferance of GOD on Baktha

> during trials is Prasad and the baktha is unaware of any

sufferings.

> Where as ordinary person can feel the suffering because absence of

> prasad. GOD is Karunyamaya, Purushotama, Daya Sindu, Apprameya.HE

> never ever gives anyone sufferings or pleasures. HE only showers

his

> Love on us. HE never differentiate anyone. HIS grace is showers

any

> time any place. But we are not tuned into his frequency. Ordinary

> mobile has to tuned to the tower frequency. Mind has to be tuned

to

> HIS frequency to receive HIS prasad.

> Pardon me if I had given wrong information.

> B.Sathyanarayan

> -

-

> humble parnaams to ALL

> I accept Sri Vaidhyanathan's approach.. Acceptance..

> the knowledge of present moment. Result of Cause...my past Fate is

> the Push i am experiencing in my LIFE

> but..tatiksha..(forebearance)

> time is transitory...it will change...ARISE..

> you are God in your secret Nature..

> Nature is pushing you through your circumstances to awaken Her

Hidden

> to manifest.

> Pain is a hammer of God..which opens the Heart.

> But Yoga is the Key that Saves you, because IT IS Krishna's Promise

> SHauk mat karo (don't be distressed)

> ma shucheh....

> alweays chant this Mantra

>

> Sarva dharman paritajya; mamekam sharanb vrajeh

> Aham twa serve paapebheu, mokshashehi mashucheh " (Gita 18.66)

>

> IT is Krishna's Promise

> do not worry my dear sweet child..

> do your duties sincerely, and leave the results to Krishna's care..

>

> hare krishna

>

> sevak

> kuldip suri

> eternal child

>

> -

-

> My humble request, can someone provide reference verse number for

> each of the essense mentioned below ?

>

> ESSENCE OF BHAGVAD GITA

>

> Whatever has happened, has happened for good.

> Whatever is happening, is happening for good.

> Whatever is going to happen, it will be for good.

> What have you lost for which you cry?

> What did you bring with you, which you have lost?

> What did you produce, which has been destroyed?

> You did not bring anything when you were born.

> Whatever you have, you have received from Him.

> Whatever you will give, you will give to Him.

> You came empty handed and you will go the same way.

> Whatever is yours today was somebody else's yesterday and will be

> somebody else's tomorrow.

> SO WHY WORRY UNNECESSARILY?

> Change is the law of the universe

>

>

> Thanks

>

> Ganesh Bulbule

> -

-

> , " sadhak_insight "

> <sadhak_insight@> wrote:

> >

> > Pranams. The first and foremost thing in life is to accept

whatever

> > happens to you as God's Prasad. He knows what you deserve and

> dishes

> > out accordingly. While I agree that it is difficult to get over

> > emotions, once you realise that whatever you experience is on

> account

> > of HIS Grace, your mind will become calm.

> > G.Vaidyanahan

> > --------------------------------

--

> > Namadev was poverty sticken. His children craved for roti.

Namadev

> > taught them to keep saying " Vitala- Vitala- Vitala " . Faith is

our

> > thresh hold. Sri Rama suffered separation from Mother Sita for

> > years. HE suffered depression for sending Mother Sita to forest.

So

> > many saints have been insulted and abused. Our suffering is

little

> or

> > nothing.

> > Praveenji- Actions done in previous lives and in earlier part of

> our

> > life accumulate karmas, which are the result of our present

state.

> > Wife, children and all are given to us by our dues towards them.

> One

> > can know this from Agastiya Nadi Astrology given by great saint

> > Agastiya.

> >

> > You can visit some ancient temples, do some (small daana) in

> > particular to a geniune ascetic (sanyasi), say some slokas as

these

> > can relieve you from some of the problems quicker. This is what

> > Bagavan has said. To get financially sufficient enough to

support

> > your needs, you can say, the sloka, " Siddhi Buddhi Bakthi

Mukthi

> > Pradayani------ " sri mahalakshme stotra.

> > Place your suffering before Bagavan Sri Krishna, and He will

surely

> > come to your rescue. Have devotion (bakthi) and love towards

GOD.

> > B.Sathyanarayan.

> > --------------------------------

> > Because it is difficult to be engaged in God on an empty

stomach,

> > therefore by praying to God, it will be necessary to find a job

> > (work); All have to work, as has been said even by God. This

is

> the

> > the way, the path.

> >

> > in hindi (Khali phet me Muskil hai

> > Isliye Bhagvan se hi Prarthana karke EK achi Naukri toondna

Padega

> > Kam tho Karnahi Padtha hai subko -Karma Yog karke ise bhagvan

bi

> > boltha hai. Kam karo paise Kamao Pet ki POOJA karo Pahle --Is

ke

> > bad Man ki shanti se Bhagvan ki pooja karo. Yehi tho rastha

hai)

> >

> > Even to Pray HIM we need HIS GRACE

> > So PRAY for HIS Grace and be prepared to WORK HARD Success will

> knock

> > at U

> > Student (Parthasarathi BR)

> > --------------------------------

-

> > Seeking spirtuality..is our main purpose and aim in Life. But

as a

> > father,husband, son and a business man..you also have obligation

to

> > society.. so follow your innate and essential duties (Savbhav

> niytam

> > karma...) and seek God's help in your work, by fulfilling ones

> > dharma..

> > there are many stories in the puranas. " pativatra nari

> > became Sageand a vyadh gave guidance to a so called Tapsvi..

His

> > parents needed him, therefore he was instructed to not leave the

> > world, to seek God

> >

> > So brother take up your Professioanl Work as part of your

devotion

> > (Bhakti). Make all your work as Service to Divine by following

> > righteousness (Satya Dharma). Seek HIm in YOUR WORK, IN your

> > Family by serving your Wife, childrens as your Duty, and after

> > fulfilling your duties..give your Time to assocation with truth

> > (satsangs)..and other related karma which satisfy you.

> >

> > jai siya ram parbhu ji...

> > yes, i have gone through this stage in life.. and i know the

agony..

> > dear...no doubt there is quest in you ..seeking God..

> > this is adhyatam life.. but we also have our dharma..

> > obligations towards

> > 1. family 2.spiritual growth 3. Serve Society 4. attaining

> > Liberation..

> > dear first purpose of life is to do your duties to those who

have

> > rights over you (family etc); to seek God's help in your

business,

> to

> > concenrtrate in your Professioonal and at home and after

fulfillig

> > your duties engage in devotion (bhakti), love of God..

> > Love of God can be expressed through your love of wife,

children,

> > parents,and brothers etc. as God manifests in many ways.

> > thanks

> > yr brother

> > kuldip

> > (kuldip suri)

> >

> > =-------------------------------

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> > , " sadhak_insight "

> > <sadhak_insight@> wrote:

> > >

> > > RAM RAM JI.

> > >

> > > I m new to this group but till now I know that this is

marvelous

> > > group with lots of good thinkers on it. I am seeking your

> > assistance.

> > > I am a small business man with limited financial resources.

I'm

> > > losing all the way for the last 12 years and now top to bottom

> I'm

> > > empty. I'm married and have two kids. I joined this satsang

> groups

> > > and recently went to Shirdi n 4 jyotirlingas in MP.

> > >

> > > I have tried my best to concentrate on spiritual growth and

> control

> > > vasanas etc. but I can't because " khali pet bhajan na hoye

> > gopala. "

> > > (On an empty stomach it is difficult to be in remembrance and

> > worship

> > > of God) I want to learn from you all about God. Is there any

way

> > > that I can satisfy myself with whatever I have. Some time i

> control

> > > my emotions which are going down but when i see my kids

without

> the

> > > basic necessities, I feel more and more down. I just want to

ask

> u

> > > all, how i concentrate on all these good words like spiritual

> > growth

> > > n inner strength and power of soul etc. Please feel free to

> teach

> > me

> > > anything on this platform

> > >

> > > praveen taneja

> > > ------------------------------

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> > >

> > > FROM THE MODERATOR

> > >

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> > >

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> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

dear B.Sathyanarayan .

and dear divine souls particpating on this forum... hare krishna.....

you wrote:

> You will surely get best divine life atleast next birth, as in this

> birth GOD knows you are undergoing your karma effect.

 

Gita is Book of Dynamic spiritualty...

here and Now... and not some future lives...

Gita is a BOOk of Karma Yoga..do not look for Fruits..of your Karma..

 

yogasth kuru karmani, sang twaktwa dhanajaya...

sidhi asidi sama bhutva, Samatvaam Yoga Uchaytee...

 

Krishna is advising to act in Yoga uokta..and without getting

attached with your actions...Do not worry about sidhi and

asidhiii... remain Equanimous..in all results... this is Yoga...

 

Offer all your actions to Krishna is Karma Yoga..

Act for the sake of Krishna...for maintenance of World movement...

as per your status in the world...act with sincerity..and leave the

results to Krishna's care.. because you have no right over the

fruits...

Let Him Decide which result is good for you....

 

thanks..

and my humble parnaams to Naryana in ALL...

kuldip

eternal child

-

 

Desires are never met and needs are met. Need is realized after

clouds of desires subside. For example, I tried to be a rich man and

have modern gadgets and technology, but it deprived me of my minds'

freedom and self nature (swabhaav). It means, I desired what was not

needed. After I concentrated on my own Self nature, my need was

clear and thus became free from desires.

K G

(Krishna Gopal)

 

--

, " sadhak_insight "

<sadhak_insight wrote:

>

> Dear friends,

> When basic neccessacities troubling one in mind, it is difficult

to

> focus on Bhagavan (God). The equipment body is designed so. A

sheep

> or cow just eats, live and dies. It is designed so without

> intellect. The easy way explained in Puranas is as follows.

>

> Just do the best possible with dharmic way all you can do to earn

> daily bread, children education, basic requirement etc. Buy a

packet

> of sweet just place it in front of any diety just thinking in mind

> it is gift from GOD. Cook food and place a part to diety and then

> eat. Buy flower to your wife, but place it before diety and then

> give to your wife. So in each and every action you do. Going to

bed

> think of God (Kesava- Govinda- Achuda etc) and sleep not thinking

> what is tomorrow. In this way you are presenting everything to GOD

> and indirectly and unknowingly you are surrendering to GOD. That

is

> pooja- Bakthi- Meditation. God will certainly give you good

future.

> You will surely get best divine life atleast next birth, as in

this

> birth GOD knows you are undergoing your karma effect. Bagavan says

> in Geetha, that HIS sankalpa will be so, that you will take birth

in

> divine family, you will be given opportunity in learning scripts,

> vedas etc, you will be made to mingle in SatSang, you will be made

> to think of HIM deeply and finally taken to HIS abode. You require

> to work hard for this in this birth to attain that stage. What you

> did in earlier birth you are reaping the fruits. So do not waste

> time now. Just do everything in presenting to HIM by thought and

> mind. That becomes MANASA pooja.

> B.Sathyanarayan

> -

-

> If Arjun would not have refused to fight, there wouldn't be any

> Geeta. So main aim of Geeta is to fight against Adharma and

> injustice. Its no use of talking of philosophy without

understanding

> the main aim of Geeta. Please study first and second chapter

> carefully.

> Dilip Mehta

> -

> Sadhna ji

> That was really wonderful.....

> Sushil Jain

>

> -

-

> , " sadhak_insight "

> <sadhak_insight@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Sadhak,

> > Pranaam.

> > Bhuke pat bhajan na hot Gopala.... Yes, this is said but on the

> other

> > hand , it is the bitter truth that when we suffer we call Gopala

> > (God). What is sukh (happiness)? What is dukh (unhappiness)?

> > Basically both are same, except that in happiness we usually

> forget

> > HIM, the supreme, Krishna, But in unhappiness, pain, sorrow

(dukh)

> we

> > remember HIM all the time. That is why Kunti Ma prayed Sri

Krishna

> to

> > give her dukh (sorrow) and sankat (difficulties) so that Krishna

> can

> > remain with her at all times.

> > According to Gita we should consider happiness (Sukh) and

> unhappiness

> > (dukh) as Summer -n- winter and bear it indifferently. Nothing

> stays.

> > They have their timings, they come and go. Based on my personal

> > experience, I have following suggestions-

> >

> > 1.Surrender to God completely(sarve dharm paritjya....)- know

that

> > Karta (the doer) is not you. It is the supreme power (GOD) doing

> > everything. Whatever situations coming in our way is all given

to

> us

> > for our own evolution. Something good is hidden in it which at

> this

> > stage we can not understand.

> >

> > 2. " karmanye vadhika raste, ma faleshu kadachana..... " " You have

> the

> > right to actions, but not to the fruits thereof " Put your best

> > efforts in whatever you do, and leave the result on to HIM, your

> > GOD. " Whatever you do, consider it as worship of God,

> >

> > 3. As per your letter it looks like you worry about your kids, I

> used

> > to do it a lot too but that was my mistake. They are not MINE at

> all.

> > Leave their responsiblity on GOPALA too. All world, and its

> relations

> > exist because of our body consciousness, when we move from body

> > consciousness to God consciousness, nothing exists but HIM.

> >

> > 4. If we have some strength, good qualities, virtues then every

> body

> > will love us, but what if I am weak, no virtues, only vices,

only

> > bad, lazy, confused, full of desises (kaam), krodh (anger), moh

> > (attachment), lobha (greed). Who is gonna love such a bad

one???

> > Believe me, only Krishna/Gopala/Khuda/Shiva/Maa/Jesus/ God

> whatever

> > name you have give IT. He certainly loves you, you just need to

> pray

> > and remember- My very Own God " hey mere Bhagwaan " , I am yours,

Do

> > whatever pleases to you , I surrender to you completely " and

> > surrender to HIM completely, remember Him with every breath in

and

> > out. Yes with every breath, remember HIM.

> >

> > 5. Without fail meditate, 20 minutes in the morning and 20

minutes

> in

> > the evening, trust me, this is the best pactice, all your past

> karmas

> > will dissolve rapidly and you will move automatically towards yr

> life

> > purpose...

> > All above words are not preaching, but just out come of my own

> long

> > ongoing struggle....

> > with lots of love,

> > a sadhika

> > Sadhna Karigar

> > --------------------------------

-

> >

> > Bhagavd Gita tells us that yesterday is gone. One should not

> grieve

> > for that. Tomorrow we do not know what is in store. So one

should

> not

> > worry about it either. Today is ours that one can do something

to

> > remedy the situation we are in. Also Vivekananda said that

there

> is

> > no point in teaching devotion (Bhakti etc.) to a person in need

of

> > basic needs. He said show him how to get out of the situation

> > today. That is the best help one can give.

> >

> > All our inabilities to face the situation come up strong as we

are

> > expecting specific results for our actions. If we can take away

> that

> > expectation and work towards the goal all our energies gush

> forward

> > and we will see the path for success. This is easily said than

> > practiced. Without human effort nothing material/spiritual can

be

> > achieved. Miracles can happen but one cannot depend on them.

They

> > can happen by the Grace of God at any time but not of our

choice.

> I

> > followed the three step process to get over some of my problems

in

> > the past

> >

> > Step 1.Reduce the time of thinking about the outcome of the

effort

> as

> > well as finding the cause of what happened. To put the blame on

> > oneself or others does not help to forget the past. Worry is the

> > worst enemy for progress. Gita says we are what we think. I

> cannot

> > quote the exact verse. Immersion in productive work is best way

to

> > achieve the above state.

> >

> > Step 2. Do the best that we can today and ask how to do any

better

> > tomorrow

> >

> > Step 3. What ever comes as a result, accept as Prasadam (gift)

> from

> > God and be contended as many of the Sadhakas have already said.

> >

> > bvempaty@

> >

> > --------------------------------

--

> > Dear Friend:

> >

> > Your sincerity in self observation is very much appreciable and a

> > great asset in spiritual progress. However, I have couple of

> > insights based on my experience … hope that would help.

> >

> > 1. When you feel that you lack something – be it money, position,

> > recognition, house, children, etc. – better work toward filling

the

> > void. I think that is the greatest need for starting on spiritual

> > path. When you feel the absence of something, you can never

> > renuounce the same since you do not have it in the first place!

> >

> > 2. If you do not think that you lack anything such as job, wife,

> > children, wealth, etc., all such relations have renounced you

> > already. Again, there is no need to renunciate in particular.

> >

> > 3. You can renunciate only what you think you have. Please do not

> > misunderstand escapism to be renunciation.

> >

> > 4. Rajaneesh used to explain why it was expensive to join him –

> > " Spirituality requires much higher efforts both in actions and

> > thinking when compared to mundane works. "

> > So, it is better do your duty and become fit in existence,

> > perception and experience properly utilizing the wealth,

education

> > and relations respectively.

> >

> > 5. No actions can be considered as spirituality – be it going

> > to " sacred " places or bhajans or satsang or anything else – when

> one

> > is filled with grief inside. On the other hand, any action – be

it

> > work or worship, be it tapas (austerities) or prostitution – can

> be

> > verily spiritual if one exercises contentment within. No one can

> > escape actions. Spirituality has no bearing on the actual

physical

> > act; it has bearing on your inner feelings and intentions

(bhava)

> in

> > your actions. In fact, the spirituality is lost in its very

> search.

> > You can seek spirituality where you are in whatever you are

doing.

> > Please pay close attention to Bhagavan Vyasa if you happen to

read

> > Bhagavad Gita.

> >

> > 6. You do not need to feel guilty if you could not remember God

due

> > to the work load. After all, nobody stops you from remembering

God

> > while you do work!

> >

> > 7. Make work worship. Do not make worship work.

> >

> > Ramana maharshi's used to often caution his visitors, " Don't run

> > away from your responsibilities, afraid of the challenges of

life

> in

> > search of the truth. Facing the responsibilities and challenges

of

> > life is the only way for breaking the associated bondages. "

> >

> > Niyatam kuru karma tvam karma jyayohyakarmanah

> > Shareeraytraapi cha te na prasiddhyet akarmanah

> >

> > I urge you not to embrace inaction to escape the burden of your

> > responsibilities in the name of spirituality. I appreciate the

pain

> > you are going through. In spite of it, I request you to

reconsider

> > all your options to succeed in life before venturing on spiritual

> > freedom. In fact, going through the toil of responsibilities is

> part

> > of the spiritual practice once you have opened your eyes toward

> > spiritualism. This is my personal appeal to you.

> >

> > I wish you gather all the strength you can to support yourself to

> > your contentment.

> >

> > Respects.

> >

> > Naga Narayana.

> > --------------------------------

--

> > Best wishes for Raam Navmii.

> >

> > Compare yourself with Arjun. He and his family was hiding for

many

> > years in forest, no food, and had no social status. But by

> personal

> > strength, each one survived and Viraat then became his friend

and

> > relative. Arjun and Krishna and Virat are all nitya (always) and

> only

> > a symbol of characters in a situation. Krishna teaches you as

> Arjun

> > to be very careful, without ego, and without authority, and

follow

> > own swabhaav (dharma). Your children will be more happy with

> little

> > food earned by you by your abilities given by the God, and these

> > condition will not remain forever. Success/failure is

indication

> of

> > course correction. Ram is similar like you who was in exile and

> > difficulties taught him to self discovery.

> >

> > Your e-mail is condition of everyone, and this condition becomes

> by

> > alien influences of the world that derails one from following

> his/her

> > own swabhaav. If you loose your inner self, and its natural

> ability,

> > no external learning helps. A fish does not need a Ph D in

physics

> > for water related technology, she knows it all without efforts.

If

> > that fish becomes student of aeronautics and puts its best

effort,

> > she can do a Ph D but cannot fly. Remember, what is good for

one,

> may

> > not be good for another.

> >

> > You should look for your inner strengths and what you like

doing.

> > This excercise will reveal your true nature (swabhaav) to

> yourself.

> > And when you enjoy working, every other person finds you happy

and

> > this surplus happiness makes other persons to come close to you

> and

> > share your happiness by co-operation. Find those who are of

> similar

> > nature as you are, so that defenses do not exist, and you do not

> > loose your emotional and financial capacities. You should get

rid

> of

> > companionship that is injurious.

> >

> > Going to temples and fastings are a means of solitude and should

> not

> > be a distraction. These have an aim of staying close to the

diety

> > (isht) is called Upa waas (up =near, waas = staying) or Upa

asana

> (up

> > = closely asaana = sitting undisturbed). Therefore, your

spending

> > money on travel and puja and rituals are a sort of business, and

> > cannot be useful. Remember ! Krishna never asked anyone to come

to

> > his place in Dwarka. He rarely stayed in his home city, because

He

> is

> > mostly out stations attending to all those in the need. Sudaama

> was

> > an exception because he had inhibition and thus lacking in a

sense

> of

> > friendship. Nothing is hidden from Krishna, you can do 'up

waas'

> > or 'upa asaana' wherever you are, and with your work and remain

> > always careful. Please give attention to 'Sav dhaan' (being

> careful)

> > in following verses:

> >

> > Sri Tuslidaas says: Sav dhaan, Maanad Mad hiina, Deer Dharma

> Gaati,

> > Param Praviina.

> > Rama who is always careful (sav dhaan), without (hiina)

ahankaar

> of

> > position (maanad) and authority (mad) patiently (dhiir) walking

> > (gati) on self nature (dharma), with the highest (param) skills

> and

> > ability (Praviina).

> > Gita says: Anpekshah Shuchir Daxah, Udaasino, Gata vyaa thah

> > Be wihout expectation (anpekshah) and remain careful of purity

> > (shuchir Daxah) and not get happy and sorrowful (udasiino) as

> > everything is passing one after another (gata vaya thah).

> >

> > Sri Krishna in Bhagwat Gita gives an answer when I was trying to

> > understand it and get relief from my false sense of

> responsibility.

> > Sri Krishna is never in the front (face to face), He is always

> > standing behind. By this way, He is UPDRASTA (looking from

back).

> He

> > is like a projector operator in a cinema. He puts up the reel

and

> the

> > world as we see it comes before us, in the 3 dimensional

> realities.

> > As a person watching that cinema, you cannot help yourself and

> just

> > react. Sri Krishna watches you doing this reaction against the

> sense

> > of the cinema that is shown by Him from the back of you. If you

> are

> > really clever and recognized this concept, you are big success.

> After

> > that Sri Krishna becomes ANUMANTA (or giver of inner consent) to

> what

> > ever you decide in your pure heart. That means, if you ask Him

why

> > things are not coming in the way it should be, He will advise

the

> > course of action from the heart. In this position, you loose

power

> to

> > react because you now know the source of reality, and do not get

> > angry on others, and remain free from bias. Sri Krishna will

then

> > turn into BHARTA (provider). You will be very very surprised

that

> by

> > your changed behaviors, certain people that have never known you

> will

> > get to know you. Your family obligation and your own will be

> borne

> > by Sri Krishna. For example, take a case of Ustad Bilmilla Khan.

> He

> > was playing Shahnayee (a little known music instrument) and this

> > became a source of his and his families' livelihood. Sri Krishna

> is

> > now a BHARTA. Food or income given by Sri Krishna in disguise.

> Very

> > soon, all desires come to an end. Because any small thing given

by

> > Sri Krishna (by whatever means) is enough and desires cannot

raise

> > their head, and leave you forever. When desires are fulfilled,

> Sri

> > Krishna looses the job of a provider (BHARTA). He then becomes

> BHOKTA

> > (consumer). The bhakta of Sri Krishna has no desire but He still

> has

> > to live and work without any of His desires. At this condition,

He

> is

> > interested in a food made with nourishment of deep love. He is

> hungry

> > of love and the BHOKTA is looking for food that he can get only

> from

> > his bhakta. Sri Krishna can travel from India to US to Brazilto

> > wherever for a 100 mg of food of the Bhakta. This condition of

Sri

> > Krishna is called BHOKTA. He is looking for deep love wherever

it

> is.

> > He can buy, beg, borrow, or steal. He is BHOKTA or consumer of

> pure

> > love. That bhakta with Sri Krishna as BHOKTA turns to be

MAHEASWAR

> > (Shiva – knower of advita). I cannot writ about this state and

> > beyond. From MAHESAR, Sri Krishna becomes PARMATMA.

> >

> > You should look carefully every person or organization who gives

> you

> > something. Suspect him as Sri Krishna. Take care of Him, He

wants

> to

> > take care of your family through you. This is His duty that you

> are

> > appointed to serve the family that you now have from 6 billion

> people

> > at the earth. If you once loose any of your children, you cannot

> find

> > him/her in the world with 6 billion populations. To leave them,

> and

> > be so called sanyasi is not what best service to Sri Krishna.

Had

> you

> > a duty of a renunciate, Sri Krishna would never have given you a

> > family and responsibility by Himself.

> >

> >

> > Regards

> > K G Misra

> > (Krishna Gopal)

> > --------------------------------

--

> >

> > Namaste,

> > One commits murder and gets jailed. Should he think jail is

> Prasad?

> > His action of murder known as Brama Hatti. One robs someone

money.

> Is

> > that Prasad to him? One gets addicted to alcohol. Is addiction

> prasad

> > for him? Womanising, alcoholism, murder, robbery and gambling

are

> > known as " Panchama Padakam " means 5 great sins. What Sri

> Vaidhinathar

> > said was, one should remain divine and surrender to GOD the 6

> Gunas

> > Kama (desires, lust), Krod (anger), Loba (greed), Madha etc

> > eliminated, then for that person everything is Prasad (gift of

> God).

> > B.Sathyanarayan.

> >

> > --------------------------------

--

> > Namaste,

> > All that happens to one is from his own account of Prarabdha

> > Karma/Sanchita Karma/Agami Karma. One has to suffer or enjoy

from

> his

> > account. God remains ONLY witness until a person becomes Jignasu-

 

> > Gyani- Gunateetha.

> > Once one falls under divine grace by Bakthi, GOD bestows on him

> the

> > super natural powers (Siddhis) which saves him from any bodily

> pain,

> > metal dipression, even from calamities, saves from attacks.

> > Example: Ramana Rishi tumor on leg was operated and removed

> without

> > any anesthisia. Ramakrishna Parahamsa had throat cancer but

> > absolutely no pain.

> > Adi Sankara was to be slained by a person. Bagavan Narashima

> appeared

> > on one his disciple and got rid of the person who attacked.

> > Immedieately Sankara swamy sang sloka on Bagavan Narashimha

which

> is

> > easily available. Jada Baratha was to be beheaded by canibols.

> Mother

> > Durga appeared and beheaded the canibols.Samartha Ramadoss was

> > suffering from high fever with shivers when Marathi king Shivaji

> > visited him. The showel which Ramadoss was covering, Ramadoss

took

> it

> > off and kept aside. Shivaji saw the showel was shivering, while

> > Ramadoss became healthy.

> > All these great men said that it is their own karma which they

are

> > under going. The only differance between us and them is, we

could

> > feel the suffering. while they do not feel any suffering due to

> HIS

> > grace. We do not know when we die. But they know the date, time

as

> to

> > when they are leaving this earth.

> > So God prasad is to persons with pure mind and divinity. For

> Others

> > HE remains witness and eargerly waits when these persons will

> > surrender to HIM.

> > This is from Bagavath Geetha and upanashids. In Geetha Bagavan

> > says, " Mooda " means you ignorant.

> > Any action yields results. Work gets money. Eat and hunger goes

> away.

> > Kill even an ant, and incur sin (papa karma). See something get

> > thoughts revolving. Shout at someone hydrochloric acid dumps in

> your

> > stomack and earn displeasure. Ride a car you arrive at

> destination.

> > Do service, build hospitals, feed poor etc get Indra Boga. But

if

> one

> > does sincere pooja/meditation for which karma one gets DAYA

> (grace)

> > from HIM. This is only prasad that one gets from GOD directly.

All

> > other things comes only from ones own account.

> >

> > If any one needs proof, they can have from Kapila Geetha- Uthave

> > Geetha- Hamsa Geetha- even some line in Bagavth Geetha,

> perticularly

> > Bikshu Geetha said by Bagavan in Ekadasa Skadam.

> > Dear Sadaks I am only passing on information from the above

> scripts

> > for all sadaks to gain knowledge on one self.

> > Bagavan Sri Krishna said, " I am in Akshram (A Karam), I am in

lion

> > king animal, in Garuda as Pakshi. " HE is omnipresent but He is

not

> > that matter/thing on earth. HE is in a tree but He is not tree,

> > means, the energy that keeps the tree is HIM. That is it what

> > Prahalad said to his father. His father tried to burn him in

fire,

> > drown him in sea, throw him from moutains, but Prahalad saw

> Narayana

> > in everything and was saved. This interferance of GOD on Baktha

> > during trials is Prasad and the baktha is unaware of any

> sufferings.

> > Where as ordinary person can feel the suffering because absence

of

> > prasad. GOD is Karunyamaya, Purushotama, Daya Sindu,

Apprameya.HE

> > never ever gives anyone sufferings or pleasures. HE only showers

> his

> > Love on us. HE never differentiate anyone. HIS grace is showers

> any

> > time any place. But we are not tuned into his frequency.

Ordinary

> > mobile has to tuned to the tower frequency. Mind has to be tuned

> to

> > HIS frequency to receive HIS prasad.

> > Pardon me if I had given wrong information.

> > B.Sathyanarayan

> > --------------------------------

--

> -

> > humble parnaams to ALL

> > I accept Sri Vaidhyanathan's approach.. Acceptance..

> > the knowledge of present moment. Result of Cause...my past Fate

is

> > the Push i am experiencing in my LIFE

> > but..tatiksha..(forebearance)

> > time is transitory...it will change...ARISE..

> > you are God in your secret Nature..

> > Nature is pushing you through your circumstances to awaken Her

> Hidden

> > to manifest.

> > Pain is a hammer of God..which opens the Heart.

> > But Yoga is the Key that Saves you, because IT IS Krishna's

Promise

> > SHauk mat karo (don't be distressed)

> > ma shucheh....

> > alweays chant this Mantra

> >

> > Sarva dharman paritajya; mamekam sharanb vrajeh

> > Aham twa serve paapebheu, mokshashehi mashucheh " (Gita 18.66)

> >

> > IT is Krishna's Promise

> > do not worry my dear sweet child..

> > do your duties sincerely, and leave the results to Krishna's

care..

> >

> > hare krishna

> >

> > sevak

> > kuldip suri

> > eternal child

> >

> > --------------------------------

--

> -

> > My humble request, can someone provide reference verse number

for

> > each of the essense mentioned below ?

> >

> > ESSENCE OF BHAGVAD GITA

> >

> > Whatever has happened, has happened for good.

> > Whatever is happening, is happening for good.

> > Whatever is going to happen, it will be for good.

> > What have you lost for which you cry?

> > What did you bring with you, which you have lost?

> > What did you produce, which has been destroyed?

> > You did not bring anything when you were born.

> > Whatever you have, you have received from Him.

> > Whatever you will give, you will give to Him.

> > You came empty handed and you will go the same way.

> > Whatever is yours today was somebody else's yesterday and will

be

> > somebody else's tomorrow.

> > SO WHY WORRY UNNECESSARILY?

> > Change is the law of the universe

> >

> >

> > Thanks

> >

> > Ganesh Bulbule

> > --------------------------------

--

> -

> > , " sadhak_insight "

> > <sadhak_insight@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Pranams. The first and foremost thing in life is to accept

> whatever

> > > happens to you as God's Prasad. He knows what you deserve and

> > dishes

> > > out accordingly. While I agree that it is difficult to get

over

> > > emotions, once you realise that whatever you experience is on

> > account

> > > of HIS Grace, your mind will become calm.

> > > G.Vaidyanahan

> > > ------------------------------

--

> --

> > > Namadev was poverty sticken. His children craved for roti.

> Namadev

> > > taught them to keep saying " Vitala- Vitala- Vitala " . Faith is

> our

> > > thresh hold. Sri Rama suffered separation from Mother Sita

for

> > > years. HE suffered depression for sending Mother Sita to

forest.

> So

> > > many saints have been insulted and abused. Our suffering is

> little

> > or

> > > nothing.

> > > Praveenji- Actions done in previous lives and in earlier part

of

> > our

> > > life accumulate karmas, which are the result of our present

> state.

> > > Wife, children and all are given to us by our dues towards

them.

> > One

> > > can know this from Agastiya Nadi Astrology given by great

saint

> > > Agastiya.

> > >

> > > You can visit some ancient temples, do some (small daana) in

> > > particular to a geniune ascetic (sanyasi), say some slokas as

> these

> > > can relieve you from some of the problems quicker. This is

what

> > > Bagavan has said. To get financially sufficient enough to

> support

> > > your needs, you can say, the sloka, " Siddhi Buddhi Bakthi

> Mukthi

> > > Pradayani------ " sri mahalakshme stotra.

> > > Place your suffering before Bagavan Sri Krishna, and He will

> surely

> > > come to your rescue. Have devotion (bakthi) and love towards

> GOD.

> > > B.Sathyanarayan.

> > > ------------------------------

--

> > > Because it is difficult to be engaged in God on an empty

> stomach,

> > > therefore by praying to God, it will be necessary to find a

job

> > > (work); All have to work, as has been said even by God. This

> is

> > the

> > > the way, the path.

> > >

> > > in hindi (Khali phet me Muskil hai

> > > Isliye Bhagvan se hi Prarthana karke EK achi Naukri toondna

> Padega

> > > Kam tho Karnahi Padtha hai subko -Karma Yog karke ise bhagvan

> bi

> > > boltha hai. Kam karo paise Kamao Pet ki POOJA karo Pahle --

Is

> ke

> > > bad Man ki shanti se Bhagvan ki pooja karo. Yehi tho rastha

> hai)

> > >

> > > Even to Pray HIM we need HIS GRACE

> > > So PRAY for HIS Grace and be prepared to WORK HARD Success

will

> > knock

> > > at U

> > > Student (Parthasarathi BR)

> > > ------------------------------

--

> -

> > > Seeking spirtuality..is our main purpose and aim in Life. But

> as a

> > > father,husband, son and a business man..you also have

obligation

> to

> > > society.. so follow your innate and essential duties (Savbhav

> > niytam

> > > karma...) and seek God's help in your work, by fulfilling

ones

> > > dharma..

> > > there are many stories in the puranas. " pativatra nari

> > > became Sageand a vyadh gave guidance to a so called Tapsvi..

> His

> > > parents needed him, therefore he was instructed to not leave

the

> > > world, to seek God

> > >

> > > So brother take up your Professioanl Work as part of your

> devotion

> > > (Bhakti). Make all your work as Service to Divine by following

> > > righteousness (Satya Dharma). Seek HIm in YOUR WORK, IN your

> > > Family by serving your Wife, childrens as your Duty, and after

> > > fulfilling your duties..give your Time to assocation with

truth

> > > (satsangs)..and other related karma which satisfy you.

> > >

> > > jai siya ram parbhu ji...

> > > yes, i have gone through this stage in life.. and i know the

> agony..

> > > dear...no doubt there is quest in you ..seeking God..

> > > this is adhyatam life.. but we also have our dharma..

> > > obligations towards

> > > 1. family 2.spiritual growth 3. Serve Society 4. attaining

> > > Liberation..

> > > dear first purpose of life is to do your duties to those who

> have

> > > rights over you (family etc); to seek God's help in your

> business,

> > to

> > > concenrtrate in your Professioonal and at home and after

> fulfillig

> > > your duties engage in devotion (bhakti), love of God..

> > > Love of God can be expressed through your love of wife,

> children,

> > > parents,and brothers etc. as God manifests in many ways.

> > > thanks

> > > yr brother

> > > kuldip

> > > (kuldip suri)

> > >

> > > =-----------------------------

--

> ---

> > > , " sadhak_insight "

> > > <sadhak_insight@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > RAM RAM JI.

> > > >

> > > > I m new to this group but till now I know that this is

> marvelous

> > > > group with lots of good thinkers on it. I am seeking your

> > > assistance.

> > > > I am a small business man with limited financial resources.

> I'm

> > > > losing all the way for the last 12 years and now top to

bottom

> > I'm

> > > > empty. I'm married and have two kids. I joined this satsang

> > groups

> > > > and recently went to Shirdi n 4 jyotirlingas in MP.

> > > >

> > > > I have tried my best to concentrate on spiritual growth and

> > control

> > > > vasanas etc. but I can't because " khali pet bhajan na hoye

> > > gopala. "

> > > > (On an empty stomach it is difficult to be in remembrance

and

> > > worship

> > > > of God) I want to learn from you all about God. Is there

any

> way

> > > > that I can satisfy myself with whatever I have. Some time i

> > control

> > > > my emotions which are going down but when i see my kids

> without

> > the

> > > > basic necessities, I feel more and more down. I just want to

> ask

> > u

> > > > all, how i concentrate on all these good words like

spiritual

> > > growth

> > > > n inner strength and power of soul etc. Please feel free to

> > teach

> > > me

> > > > anything on this platform

> > > >

> > > > praveen taneja

> > > > ----------------------------

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> -

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> > > >

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>

[Guest guest]

Hari Om

 

 

 

The question is How to concentrate on God when Basic needs are not

fulfilled?

 

 

 

The answer is that it is not possible that some one's basic needs

are not fulfilled so long as he is alive. The yardstick of basic

needs not getting fulfilled is DEATH. That you are alive indicates

your basic needs are getting fulfilled! Your basic needs are first-

Air . Are you not getting air from Mother nature? Reply! If you are

not how you are able to survive even for next five minutes? Your

next basic need is Water! Right? I am sure you are getting that

because no one can survive without water for more than say 2-3 days.

Third basic requirement is Food . You have been getting it from the

day one and the quantity or quality thereof has been sufficient

enough so far as evidenced by the fact that you are still alive.

Next- Cloths. Certainly at present you are not clothless . You said

you have wife and children and even access to sophisticated

communication methods. You should not be home less also. Now these

are basic needs- Air, water, food, cloths and home. Hence you cannot

say your basic needs are not met.

 

Now what is the problem in concentrating on God- Brother? Now the

fact that you have started thinking about God or a need to

concentrate on God even if with some helplessness or negativity,

indicates that your basic need is not the world but God! Therefore

you should decisively turn towards God! Don't worry if you are not

able to concentrate! If you are very busy in making the two ends

meet , then also you can concentrate. Keep doing your duties to the

best of your abilities, work 24 hours a day if you can, leave the

results to God and relax! Consider that you are not doing the work

of " yourself " or of " your wife " or of " your children " – consider you

are doing work of God, the sons and daughters of God. Consider your

self to be belonging to God and not to be belonging to world or

worldly people. If you do that you are concentrating on God more

than any body else and you are concentrating on God 24 hours a day.

Once the " Karta " (the doer) has become of the God , the actions

will become godly, automatically! You have become of the God

instantly, right then and there. Now it is upto God to keep you as

he wants. Become worry less thereby. Work for God and not for you-

same work which you are doing today – keep doing!You have seen the

world now fully. What is there in it ?. You are getting restless

because you are identifying yourself with reference to the world.

Who is happy in this world? Believe me only that person who has

sought solace in God. Therefore fearlessly become of God! Keep doing

your worldly duties! Your God is hidden in your Duty itself. Another

name of Duty is DHARMA!

 

Jai Shree Krishna

 

Vyas N B

 

, " sadhak_insight "

<sadhak_insight wrote:

>

> dear B.Sathyanarayan .

> and dear divine souls particpating on this forum... hare

krishna.....

> you wrote:

> > You will surely get best divine life atleast next birth, as in

this

> > birth GOD knows you are undergoing your karma effect.

>

> Gita is Book of Dynamic spiritualty...

> here and Now... and not some future lives...

> Gita is a BOOk of Karma Yoga..do not look for Fruits..of your

Karma..

>

> yogasth kuru karmani, sang twaktwa dhanajaya...

> sidhi asidi sama bhutva, Samatvaam Yoga Uchaytee...

>

> Krishna is advising to act in Yoga uokta..and without getting

> attached with your actions...Do not worry about sidhi and

> asidhiii... remain Equanimous..in all results... this is Yoga...

>

> Offer all your actions to Krishna is Karma Yoga..

> Act for the sake of Krishna...for maintenance of World movement...

> as per your status in the world...act with sincerity..and leave the

> results to Krishna's care.. because you have no right over the

> fruits...

> Let Him Decide which result is good for you....

>

> thanks..

> and my humble parnaams to Naryana in ALL...

> kuldip

> eternal child

> -

>

> Desires are never met and needs are met. Need is realized after

> clouds of desires subside. For example, I tried to be a rich man

and

> have modern gadgets and technology, but it deprived me of my

minds'

> freedom and self nature (swabhaav). It means, I desired what was

not

> needed. After I concentrated on my own Self nature, my need was

> clear and thus became free from desires.

> K G

> (Krishna Gopal)

>

> -

-

> , " sadhak_insight "

> <sadhak_insight@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear friends,

> > When basic neccessacities troubling one in mind, it is difficult

> to

> > focus on Bhagavan (God). The equipment body is designed so. A

> sheep

> > or cow just eats, live and dies. It is designed so without

> > intellect. The easy way explained in Puranas is as follows.

> >

> > Just do the best possible with dharmic way all you can do to earn

> > daily bread, children education, basic requirement etc. Buy a

> packet

> > of sweet just place it in front of any diety just thinking in

mind

> > it is gift from GOD. Cook food and place a part to diety and then

> > eat. Buy flower to your wife, but place it before diety and then

> > give to your wife. So in each and every action you do. Going to

> bed

> > think of God (Kesava- Govinda- Achuda etc) and sleep not thinking

> > what is tomorrow. In this way you are presenting everything to

GOD

> > and indirectly and unknowingly you are surrendering to GOD. That

> is

> > pooja- Bakthi- Meditation. God will certainly give you good

> future.

> > You will surely get best divine life atleast next birth, as in

> this

> > birth GOD knows you are undergoing your karma effect. Bagavan

says

> > in Geetha, that HIS sankalpa will be so, that you will take birth

> in

> > divine family, you will be given opportunity in learning scripts,

> > vedas etc, you will be made to mingle in SatSang, you will be

made

> > to think of HIM deeply and finally taken to HIS abode. You

require

> > to work hard for this in this birth to attain that stage. What

you

> > did in earlier birth you are reaping the fruits. So do not waste

> > time now. Just do everything in presenting to HIM by thought and

> > mind. That becomes MANASA pooja.

> > B.Sathyanarayan

> > --------------------------------

--

> -

> > If Arjun would not have refused to fight, there wouldn't be any

> > Geeta. So main aim of Geeta is to fight against Adharma and

> > injustice. Its no use of talking of philosophy without

> understanding

> > the main aim of Geeta. Please study first and second chapter

> > carefully.

> > Dilip Mehta

> > --------------------------------

--

> > Sadhna ji

> > That was really wonderful.....

> > Sushil Jain

> >

> > --------------------------------

--

> -

> > , " sadhak_insight "

> > <sadhak_insight@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Sadhak,

> > > Pranaam.

> > > Bhuke pat bhajan na hot Gopala.... Yes, this is said but on the

> > other

> > > hand , it is the bitter truth that when we suffer we call

Gopala

> > > (God). What is sukh (happiness)? What is dukh (unhappiness)?

> > > Basically both are same, except that in happiness we usually

> > forget

> > > HIM, the supreme, Krishna, But in unhappiness, pain, sorrow

> (dukh)

> > we

> > > remember HIM all the time. That is why Kunti Ma prayed Sri

> Krishna

> > to

> > > give her dukh (sorrow) and sankat (difficulties) so that

Krishna

> > can

> > > remain with her at all times.

> > > According to Gita we should consider happiness (Sukh) and

> > unhappiness

> > > (dukh) as Summer -n- winter and bear it indifferently. Nothing

> > stays.

> > > They have their timings, they come and go. Based on my personal

> > > experience, I have following suggestions-

> > >

> > > 1.Surrender to God completely(sarve dharm paritjya....)- know

> that

> > > Karta (the doer) is not you. It is the supreme power (GOD)

doing

> > > everything. Whatever situations coming in our way is all given

> to

> > us

> > > for our own evolution. Something good is hidden in it which at

> > this

> > > stage we can not understand.

> > >

> > > 2. " karmanye vadhika raste, ma faleshu kadachana..... " " You have

> > the

> > > right to actions, but not to the fruits thereof " Put your best

> > > efforts in whatever you do, and leave the result on to HIM,

your

> > > GOD. " Whatever you do, consider it as worship of God,

> > >

> > > 3. As per your letter it looks like you worry about your kids,

I

> > used

> > > to do it a lot too but that was my mistake. They are not MINE

at

> > all.

> > > Leave their responsiblity on GOPALA too. All world, and its

> > relations

> > > exist because of our body consciousness, when we move from body

> > > consciousness to God consciousness, nothing exists but HIM.

> > >

> > > 4. If we have some strength, good qualities, virtues then every

> > body

> > > will love us, but what if I am weak, no virtues, only vices,

> only

> > > bad, lazy, confused, full of desises (kaam), krodh (anger), moh

> > > (attachment), lobha (greed). Who is gonna love such a bad

> one???

> > > Believe me, only Krishna/Gopala/Khuda/Shiva/Maa/Jesus/ God

> > whatever

> > > name you have give IT. He certainly loves you, you just need to

> > pray

> > > and remember- My very Own God " hey mere Bhagwaan " , I am yours,

> Do

> > > whatever pleases to you , I surrender to you completely " and

> > > surrender to HIM completely, remember Him with every breath in

> and

> > > out. Yes with every breath, remember HIM.

> > >

> > > 5. Without fail meditate, 20 minutes in the morning and 20

> minutes

> > in

> > > the evening, trust me, this is the best pactice, all your past

> > karmas

> > > will dissolve rapidly and you will move automatically towards

yr

> > life

> > > purpose...

> > > All above words are not preaching, but just out come of my own

> > long

> > > ongoing struggle....

> > > with lots of love,

> > > a sadhika

> > > Sadhna Karigar

> > > ------------------------------

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> -

> > >

> > > Bhagavd Gita tells us that yesterday is gone. One should not

> > grieve

> > > for that. Tomorrow we do not know what is in store. So one

> should

> > not

> > > worry about it either. Today is ours that one can do something

> to

> > > remedy the situation we are in. Also Vivekananda said that

> there

> > is

> > > no point in teaching devotion (Bhakti etc.) to a person in need

> of

> > > basic needs. He said show him how to get out of the situation

> > > today. That is the best help one can give.

> > >

> > > All our inabilities to face the situation come up strong as we

> are

> > > expecting specific results for our actions. If we can take

away

> > that

> > > expectation and work towards the goal all our energies gush

> > forward

> > > and we will see the path for success. This is easily said than

> > > practiced. Without human effort nothing material/spiritual can

> be

> > > achieved. Miracles can happen but one cannot depend on them.

> They

> > > can happen by the Grace of God at any time but not of our

> choice.

> > I

> > > followed the three step process to get over some of my problems

> in

> > > the past

> > >

> > > Step 1.Reduce the time of thinking about the outcome of the

> effort

> > as

> > > well as finding the cause of what happened. To put the blame on

> > > oneself or others does not help to forget the past. Worry is

the

> > > worst enemy for progress. Gita says we are what we think. I

> > cannot

> > > quote the exact verse. Immersion in productive work is best way

> to

> > > achieve the above state.

> > >

> > > Step 2. Do the best that we can today and ask how to do any

> better

> > > tomorrow

> > >

> > > Step 3. What ever comes as a result, accept as Prasadam (gift)

> > from

> > > God and be contended as many of the Sadhakas have already said.

> > >

> > > bvempaty@

> > >

> > > ------------------------------

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> --

> > > Dear Friend:

> > >

> > > Your sincerity in self observation is very much appreciable

and a

> > > great asset in spiritual progress. However, I have couple of

> > > insights based on my experience … hope that would help.

> > >

> > > 1. When you feel that you lack something – be it money,

position,

> > > recognition, house, children, etc. – better work toward filling

> the

> > > void. I think that is the greatest need for starting on

spiritual

> > > path. When you feel the absence of something, you can never

> > > renuounce the same since you do not have it in the first place!

> > >

> > > 2. If you do not think that you lack anything such as job,

wife,

> > > children, wealth, etc., all such relations have renounced you

> > > already. Again, there is no need to renunciate in particular.

> > >

> > > 3. You can renunciate only what you think you have. Please do

not

> > > misunderstand escapism to be renunciation.

> > >

> > > 4. Rajaneesh used to explain why it was expensive to join him –

> > > " Spirituality requires much higher efforts both in actions

and

> > > thinking when compared to mundane works. "

> > > So, it is better do your duty and become fit in existence,

> > > perception and experience properly utilizing the wealth,

> education

> > > and relations respectively.

> > >

> > > 5. No actions can be considered as spirituality – be it going

> > > to " sacred " places or bhajans or satsang or anything else –

when

> > one

> > > is filled with grief inside. On the other hand, any action – be

> it

> > > work or worship, be it tapas (austerities) or prostitution –

can

> > be

> > > verily spiritual if one exercises contentment within. No one

can

> > > escape actions. Spirituality has no bearing on the actual

> physical

> > > act; it has bearing on your inner feelings and intentions

> (bhava)

> > in

> > > your actions. In fact, the spirituality is lost in its very

> > search.

> > > You can seek spirituality where you are in whatever you are

> doing.

> > > Please pay close attention to Bhagavan Vyasa if you happen to

> read

> > > Bhagavad Gita.

> > >

> > > 6. You do not need to feel guilty if you could not remember God

> due

> > > to the work load. After all, nobody stops you from remembering

> God

> > > while you do work!

> > >

> > > 7. Make work worship. Do not make worship work.

> > >

> > > Ramana maharshi's used to often caution his visitors, " Don't

run

> > > away from your responsibilities, afraid of the challenges of

> life

> > in

> > > search of the truth. Facing the responsibilities and challenges

> of

> > > life is the only way for breaking the associated bondages. "

> > >

> > > Niyatam kuru karma tvam karma jyayohyakarmanah

> > > Shareeraytraapi cha te na prasiddhyet akarmanah

> > >

> > > I urge you not to embrace inaction to escape the burden of your

> > > responsibilities in the name of spirituality. I appreciate the

> pain

> > > you are going through. In spite of it, I request you to

> reconsider

> > > all your options to succeed in life before venturing on

spiritual

> > > freedom. In fact, going through the toil of responsibilities is

> > part

> > > of the spiritual practice once you have opened your eyes toward

> > > spiritualism. This is my personal appeal to you.

> > >

> > > I wish you gather all the strength you can to support yourself

to

> > > your contentment.

> > >

> > > Respects.

> > >

> > > Naga Narayana.

> > > ------------------------------

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> --

> > > Best wishes for Raam Navmii.

> > >

> > > Compare yourself with Arjun. He and his family was hiding for

> many

> > > years in forest, no food, and had no social status. But by

> > personal

> > > strength, each one survived and Viraat then became his friend

> and

> > > relative. Arjun and Krishna and Virat are all nitya (always)

and

> > only

> > > a symbol of characters in a situation. Krishna teaches you as

> > Arjun

> > > to be very careful, without ego, and without authority, and

> follow

> > > own swabhaav (dharma). Your children will be more happy with

> > little

> > > food earned by you by your abilities given by the God, and

these

> > > condition will not remain forever. Success/failure is

> indication

> > of

> > > course correction. Ram is similar like you who was in exile

and

> > > difficulties taught him to self discovery.

> > >

> > > Your e-mail is condition of everyone, and this condition

becomes

> > by

> > > alien influences of the world that derails one from following

> > his/her

> > > own swabhaav. If you loose your inner self, and its natural

> > ability,

> > > no external learning helps. A fish does not need a Ph D in

> physics

> > > for water related technology, she knows it all without efforts.

> If

> > > that fish becomes student of aeronautics and puts its best

> effort,

> > > she can do a Ph D but cannot fly. Remember, what is good for

> one,

> > may

> > > not be good for another.

> > >

> > > You should look for your inner strengths and what you like

> doing.

> > > This excercise will reveal your true nature (swabhaav) to

> > yourself.

> > > And when you enjoy working, every other person finds you happy

> and

> > > this surplus happiness makes other persons to come close to you

> > and

> > > share your happiness by co-operation. Find those who are of

> > similar

> > > nature as you are, so that defenses do not exist, and you do

not

> > > loose your emotional and financial capacities. You should get

> rid

> > of

> > > companionship that is injurious.

> > >

> > > Going to temples and fastings are a means of solitude and

should

> > not

> > > be a distraction. These have an aim of staying close to the

> diety

> > > (isht) is called Upa waas (up =near, waas = staying) or Upa

> asana

> > (up

> > > = closely asaana = sitting undisturbed). Therefore, your

> spending

> > > money on travel and puja and rituals are a sort of business,

and

> > > cannot be useful. Remember ! Krishna never asked anyone to come

> to

> > > his place in Dwarka. He rarely stayed in his home city, because

> He

> > is

> > > mostly out stations attending to all those in the need. Sudaama

> > was

> > > an exception because he had inhibition and thus lacking in a

> sense

> > of

> > > friendship. Nothing is hidden from Krishna, you can do 'up

> waas'

> > > or 'upa asaana' wherever you are, and with your work and remain

> > > always careful. Please give attention to 'Sav dhaan' (being

> > careful)

> > > in following verses:

> > >

> > > Sri Tuslidaas says: Sav dhaan, Maanad Mad hiina, Deer Dharma

> > Gaati,

> > > Param Praviina.

> > > Rama who is always careful (sav dhaan), without (hiina)

> ahankaar

> > of

> > > position (maanad) and authority (mad) patiently (dhiir) walking

> > > (gati) on self nature (dharma), with the highest (param) skills

> > and

> > > ability (Praviina).

> > > Gita says: Anpekshah Shuchir Daxah, Udaasino, Gata vyaa thah

> > > Be wihout expectation (anpekshah) and remain careful of purity

> > > (shuchir Daxah) and not get happy and sorrowful (udasiino) as

> > > everything is passing one after another (gata vaya thah).

> > >

> > > Sri Krishna in Bhagwat Gita gives an answer when I was trying

to

> > > understand it and get relief from my false sense of

> > responsibility.

> > > Sri Krishna is never in the front (face to face), He is always

> > > standing behind. By this way, He is UPDRASTA (looking from

> back).

> > He

> > > is like a projector operator in a cinema. He puts up the reel

> and

> > the

> > > world as we see it comes before us, in the 3 dimensional

> > realities.

> > > As a person watching that cinema, you cannot help yourself and

> > just

> > > react. Sri Krishna watches you doing this reaction against the

> > sense

> > > of the cinema that is shown by Him from the back of you. If you

> > are

> > > really clever and recognized this concept, you are big success.

> > After

> > > that Sri Krishna becomes ANUMANTA (or giver of inner consent)

to

> > what

> > > ever you decide in your pure heart. That means, if you ask Him

> why

> > > things are not coming in the way it should be, He will advise

> the

> > > course of action from the heart. In this position, you loose

> power

> > to

> > > react because you now know the source of reality, and do not

get

> > > angry on others, and remain free from bias. Sri Krishna will

> then

> > > turn into BHARTA (provider). You will be very very surprised

> that

> > by

> > > your changed behaviors, certain people that have never known

you

> > will

> > > get to know you. Your family obligation and your own will be

> > borne

> > > by Sri Krishna. For example, take a case of Ustad Bilmilla

Khan.

> > He

> > > was playing Shahnayee (a little known music instrument) and

this

> > > became a source of his and his families' livelihood. Sri

Krishna

> > is

> > > now a BHARTA. Food or income given by Sri Krishna in disguise.

> > Very

> > > soon, all desires come to an end. Because any small thing given

> by

> > > Sri Krishna (by whatever means) is enough and desires cannot

> raise

> > > their head, and leave you forever. When desires are fulfilled,

> > Sri

> > > Krishna looses the job of a provider (BHARTA). He then becomes

> > BHOKTA

> > > (consumer). The bhakta of Sri Krishna has no desire but He

still

> > has

> > > to live and work without any of His desires. At this condition,

> He

> > is

> > > interested in a food made with nourishment of deep love. He is

> > hungry

> > > of love and the BHOKTA is looking for food that he can get only

> > from

> > > his bhakta. Sri Krishna can travel from India to US to Brazilto

> > > wherever for a 100 mg of food of the Bhakta. This condition of

> Sri

> > > Krishna is called BHOKTA. He is looking for deep love wherever

> it

> > is.

> > > He can buy, beg, borrow, or steal. He is BHOKTA or consumer of

> > pure

> > > love. That bhakta with Sri Krishna as BHOKTA turns to be

> MAHEASWAR

> > > (Shiva – knower of advita). I cannot writ about this state and

> > > beyond. From MAHESAR, Sri Krishna becomes PARMATMA.

> > >

> > > You should look carefully every person or organization who

gives

> > you

> > > something. Suspect him as Sri Krishna. Take care of Him, He

> wants

> > to

> > > take care of your family through you. This is His duty that you

> > are

> > > appointed to serve the family that you now have from 6 billion

> > people

> > > at the earth. If you once loose any of your children, you

cannot

> > find

> > > him/her in the world with 6 billion populations. To leave them,

> > and

> > > be so called sanyasi is not what best service to Sri Krishna.

> Had

> > you

> > > a duty of a renunciate, Sri Krishna would never have given you

a

> > > family and responsibility by Himself.

> > >

> > >

> > > Regards

> > > K G Misra

> > > (Krishna Gopal)

> > > ------------------------------

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> --

> > >

> > > Namaste,

> > > One commits murder and gets jailed. Should he think jail is

> > Prasad?

> > > His action of murder known as Brama Hatti. One robs someone

> money.

> > Is

> > > that Prasad to him? One gets addicted to alcohol. Is addiction

> > prasad

> > > for him? Womanising, alcoholism, murder, robbery and gambling

> are

> > > known as " Panchama Padakam " means 5 great sins. What Sri

> > Vaidhinathar

> > > said was, one should remain divine and surrender to GOD the 6

> > Gunas

> > > Kama (desires, lust), Krod (anger), Loba (greed), Madha etc

> > > eliminated, then for that person everything is Prasad (gift of

> > God).

> > > B.Sathyanarayan.

> > >

> > > ------------------------------

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> --

> > > Namaste,

> > > All that happens to one is from his own account of Prarabdha

> > > Karma/Sanchita Karma/Agami Karma. One has to suffer or enjoy

> from

> > his

> > > account. God remains ONLY witness until a person becomes

Jignasu-

>

> > > Gyani- Gunateetha.

> > > Once one falls under divine grace by Bakthi, GOD bestows on him

> > the

> > > super natural powers (Siddhis) which saves him from any bodily

> > pain,

> > > metal dipression, even from calamities, saves from attacks.

> > > Example: Ramana Rishi tumor on leg was operated and removed

> > without

> > > any anesthisia. Ramakrishna Parahamsa had throat cancer but

> > > absolutely no pain.

> > > Adi Sankara was to be slained by a person. Bagavan Narashima

> > appeared

> > > on one his disciple and got rid of the person who attacked.

> > > Immedieately Sankara swamy sang sloka on Bagavan Narashimha

> which

> > is

> > > easily available. Jada Baratha was to be beheaded by canibols.

> > Mother

> > > Durga appeared and beheaded the canibols.Samartha Ramadoss was

> > > suffering from high fever with shivers when Marathi king

Shivaji

> > > visited him. The showel which Ramadoss was covering, Ramadoss

> took

> > it

> > > off and kept aside. Shivaji saw the showel was shivering, while

> > > Ramadoss became healthy.

> > > All these great men said that it is their own karma which they

> are

> > > under going. The only differance between us and them is, we

> could

> > > feel the suffering. while they do not feel any suffering due to

> > HIS

> > > grace. We do not know when we die. But they know the date, time

> as

> > to

> > > when they are leaving this earth.

> > > So God prasad is to persons with pure mind and divinity. For

> > Others

> > > HE remains witness and eargerly waits when these persons will

> > > surrender to HIM.

> > > This is from Bagavath Geetha and upanashids. In Geetha Bagavan

> > > says, " Mooda " means you ignorant.

> > > Any action yields results. Work gets money. Eat and hunger goes

> > away.

> > > Kill even an ant, and incur sin (papa karma). See something get

> > > thoughts revolving. Shout at someone hydrochloric acid dumps in

> > your

> > > stomack and earn displeasure. Ride a car you arrive at

> > destination.

> > > Do service, build hospitals, feed poor etc get Indra Boga. But

> if

> > one

> > > does sincere pooja/meditation for which karma one gets DAYA

> > (grace)

> > > from HIM. This is only prasad that one gets from GOD directly.

> All

> > > other things comes only from ones own account.

> > >

> > > If any one needs proof, they can have from Kapila Geetha-

Uthave

> > > Geetha- Hamsa Geetha- even some line in Bagavth Geetha,

> > perticularly

> > > Bikshu Geetha said by Bagavan in Ekadasa Skadam.

> > > Dear Sadaks I am only passing on information from the above

> > scripts

> > > for all sadaks to gain knowledge on one self.

> > > Bagavan Sri Krishna said, " I am in Akshram (A Karam), I am in

> lion

> > > king animal, in Garuda as Pakshi. " HE is omnipresent but He is

> not

> > > that matter/thing on earth. HE is in a tree but He is not tree,

> > > means, the energy that keeps the tree is HIM. That is it what

> > > Prahalad said to his father. His father tried to burn him in

> fire,

> > > drown him in sea, throw him from moutains, but Prahalad saw

> > Narayana

> > > in everything and was saved. This interferance of GOD on Baktha

> > > during trials is Prasad and the baktha is unaware of any

> > sufferings.

> > > Where as ordinary person can feel the suffering because absence

> of

> > > prasad. GOD is Karunyamaya, Purushotama, Daya Sindu,

> Apprameya.HE

> > > never ever gives anyone sufferings or pleasures. HE only

showers

> > his

> > > Love on us. HE never differentiate anyone. HIS grace is showers

> > any

> > > time any place. But we are not tuned into his frequency.

> Ordinary

> > > mobile has to tuned to the tower frequency. Mind has to be

tuned

> > to

> > > HIS frequency to receive HIS prasad.

> > > Pardon me if I had given wrong information.

> > > B.Sathyanarayan

> > > ------------------------------

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> --

> > -

> > > humble parnaams to ALL

> > > I accept Sri Vaidhyanathan's approach.. Acceptance..

> > > the knowledge of present moment. Result of Cause...my past Fate

> is

> > > the Push i am experiencing in my LIFE

> > > but..tatiksha..(forebearance)

> > > time is transitory...it will change...ARISE..

> > > you are God in your secret Nature..

> > > Nature is pushing you through your circumstances to awaken Her

> > Hidden

> > > to manifest.

> > > Pain is a hammer of God..which opens the Heart.

> > > But Yoga is the Key that Saves you, because IT IS Krishna's

> Promise

> > > SHauk mat karo (don't be distressed)

> > > ma shucheh....

> > > alweays chant this Mantra

> > >

> > > Sarva dharman paritajya; mamekam sharanb vrajeh

> > > Aham twa serve paapebheu, mokshashehi mashucheh " (Gita 18.66)

> > >

> > > IT is Krishna's Promise

> > > do not worry my dear sweet child..

> > > do your duties sincerely, and leave the results to Krishna's

> care..

> > >

> > > hare krishna

> > >

> > > sevak

> > > kuldip suri

> > > eternal child

> > >

> > > ------------------------------

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> --

> > -

> > > My humble request, can someone provide reference verse number

> for

> > > each of the essense mentioned below ?

> > >

> > > ESSENCE OF BHAGVAD GITA

> > >

> > > Whatever has happened, has happened for good.

> > > Whatever is happening, is happening for good.

> > > Whatever is going to happen, it will be for good.

> > > What have you lost for which you cry?

> > > What did you bring with you, which you have lost?

> > > What did you produce, which has been destroyed?

> > > You did not bring anything when you were born.

> > > Whatever you have, you have received from Him.

> > > Whatever you will give, you will give to Him.

> > > You came empty handed and you will go the same way.

> > > Whatever is yours today was somebody else's yesterday and will

> be

> > > somebody else's tomorrow.

> > > SO WHY WORRY UNNECESSARILY?

> > > Change is the law of the universe

> > >

> > >

> > > Thanks

> > >

> > > Ganesh Bulbule

> > > ------------------------------

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> --

> > -

> > > , " sadhak_insight "

> > > <sadhak_insight@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Pranams. The first and foremost thing in life is to accept

> > whatever

> > > > happens to you as God's Prasad. He knows what you deserve

and

> > > dishes

> > > > out accordingly. While I agree that it is difficult to get

> over

> > > > emotions, once you realise that whatever you experience is on

> > > account

> > > > of HIS Grace, your mind will become calm.

> > > > G.Vaidyanahan

> > > > ----------------------------

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> --

> > --

> > > > Namadev was poverty sticken. His children craved for roti.

> > Namadev

> > > > taught them to keep saying " Vitala- Vitala- Vitala " . Faith

is

> > our

> > > > thresh hold. Sri Rama suffered separation from Mother Sita

> for

> > > > years. HE suffered depression for sending Mother Sita to

> forest.

> > So

> > > > many saints have been insulted and abused. Our suffering is

> > little

> > > or

> > > > nothing.

> > > > Praveenji- Actions done in previous lives and in earlier part

> of

> > > our

> > > > life accumulate karmas, which are the result of our present

> > state.

> > > > Wife, children and all are given to us by our dues towards

> them.

> > > One

> > > > can know this from Agastiya Nadi Astrology given by great

> saint

> > > > Agastiya.

> > > >

> > > > You can visit some ancient temples, do some (small daana) in

> > > > particular to a geniune ascetic (sanyasi), say some slokas as

> > these

> > > > can relieve you from some of the problems quicker. This is

> what

> > > > Bagavan has said. To get financially sufficient enough to

> > support

> > > > your needs, you can say, the sloka, " Siddhi Buddhi Bakthi

> > Mukthi

> > > > Pradayani------ " sri mahalakshme stotra.

> > > > Place your suffering before Bagavan Sri Krishna, and He will

> > surely

> > > > come to your rescue. Have devotion (bakthi) and love towards

> > GOD.

> > > > B.Sathyanarayan.

> > > > ----------------------------

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> --

> > > > Because it is difficult to be engaged in God on an empty

> > stomach,

> > > > therefore by praying to God, it will be necessary to find a

> job

> > > > (work); All have to work, as has been said even by God.

This

> > is

> > > the

> > > > the way, the path.

> > > >

> > > > in hindi (Khali phet me Muskil hai

> > > > Isliye Bhagvan se hi Prarthana karke EK achi Naukri toondna

> > Padega

> > > > Kam tho Karnahi Padtha hai subko -Karma Yog karke ise

bhagvan

> > bi

> > > > boltha hai. Kam karo paise Kamao Pet ki POOJA karo Pahle --

> Is

> > ke

> > > > bad Man ki shanti se Bhagvan ki pooja karo. Yehi tho rastha

> > hai)

> > > >

> > > > Even to Pray HIM we need HIS GRACE

> > > > So PRAY for HIS Grace and be prepared to WORK HARD Success

> will

> > > knock

> > > > at U

> > > > Student (Parthasarathi BR)

> > > > ----------------------------

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> --

> > -

> > > > Seeking spirtuality..is our main purpose and aim in Life.

But

> > as a

> > > > father,husband, son and a business man..you also have

> obligation

> > to

> > > > society.. so follow your innate and essential duties (Savbhav

> > > niytam

> > > > karma...) and seek God's help in your work, by fulfilling

> ones

> > > > dharma..

> > > > there are many stories in the puranas. " pativatra nari

> > > > became Sageand a vyadh gave guidance to a so called Tapsvi..

> > His

> > > > parents needed him, therefore he was instructed to not leave

> the

> > > > world, to seek God

> > > >

> > > > So brother take up your Professioanl Work as part of your

> > devotion

> > > > (Bhakti). Make all your work as Service to Divine by

following

> > > > righteousness (Satya Dharma). Seek HIm in YOUR WORK, IN your

> > > > Family by serving your Wife, childrens as your Duty, and

after

> > > > fulfilling your duties..give your Time to assocation with

> truth

> > > > (satsangs)..and other related karma which satisfy you.

> > > >

> > > > jai siya ram parbhu ji...

> > > > yes, i have gone through this stage in life.. and i know the

> > agony..

> > > > dear...no doubt there is quest in you ..seeking God..

> > > > this is adhyatam life.. but we also have our dharma..

> > > > obligations towards

> > > > 1. family 2.spiritual growth 3. Serve Society 4. attaining

> > > > Liberation..

> > > > dear first purpose of life is to do your duties to those who

> > have

> > > > rights over you (family etc); to seek God's help in your

> > business,

> > > to

> > > > concenrtrate in your Professioonal and at home and after

> > fulfillig

> > > > your duties engage in devotion (bhakti), love of God..

> > > > Love of God can be expressed through your love of wife,

> > children,

> > > > parents,and brothers etc. as God manifests in many ways.

> > > > thanks

> > > > yr brother

> > > > kuldip

> > > > (kuldip suri)

> > > >

> > > > =---------------------------

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> --

> > ---

> > > > , " sadhak_insight "

> > > > <sadhak_insight@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > RAM RAM JI.

> > > > >

> > > > > I m new to this group but till now I know that this is

> > marvelous

> > > > > group with lots of good thinkers on it. I am seeking your

> > > > assistance.

> > > > > I am a small business man with limited financial resources.

> > I'm

> > > > > losing all the way for the last 12 years and now top to

> bottom

> > > I'm

> > > > > empty. I'm married and have two kids. I joined this satsang

> > > groups

> > > > > and recently went to Shirdi n 4 jyotirlingas in MP.

> > > > >

> > > > > I have tried my best to concentrate on spiritual growth and

> > > control

> > > > > vasanas etc. but I can't because " khali pet bhajan na hoye

> > > > gopala. "

> > > > > (On an empty stomach it is difficult to be in remembrance

> and

> > > > worship

> > > > > of God) I want to learn from you all about God. Is there

> any

> > way

> > > > > that I can satisfy myself with whatever I have. Some time i

> > > control

> > > > > my emotions which are going down but when i see my kids

> > without

> > > the

> > > > > basic necessities, I feel more and more down. I just want

to

> > ask

> > > u

> > > > > all, how i concentrate on all these good words like

> spiritual

> > > > growth

> > > > > n inner strength and power of soul etc. Please feel free

to

> > > teach

> > > > me

> > > > > anything on this platform

> > > > >

> > > > > praveen taneja

> > > > > --------------------------

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[Guest guest]

Jai Shri Krishna,

 

There is a common element between being thirsty and having the

thirst quenched by drinking water, which is water. If there was no

existence of water, then there would not have been any thirst for

the same. Since there is some thing called water, we desire for the

same. Need of water is called thirst. Once we drink water then there

is no thirst because then we do not desire for it any more, but it

does not mean that water has ceased to exist. Now, even if water is

there, one is not called thirsty because he does not desire for the

same, having already quenched the thirst. This means that due to

desire for water one is called thirsty. If there is no desire for

water, one is not thirsty.

 

Similarly, deficiency of anything such as wealth does not make one

poor, but the deficiency felt after desiring for the same only makes

one feel poor. A Sadhu or Tyagi person does not have wealth but he

is not called poor, because he does not desire for it at all. A dog

also does not have wealth, but he is also not called poor, because

he does not desire for the same. So absence felt due to desiring for

any thing only makes us feel devoid of such a thing.

 

As other Sadhakas have already beautifully answered, the basic

necessities can not remain unsatisfied until we are alive. Then what

needs to be done is to take refuge in lotus feet of the Almighty and

perform every duty considering His work only. Then there is no fear

(bhay), grief (shok) and stress (chinta), only supreme bliss.

 

Narayana Narayana

 

Rajendra J Bohra

 

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Dear sadak,

 

I do not have any opinion of mine. I am mouth piece of Bagavan and

HIS scripts.

 

Bagavan HIMSELF has said in Geetha that HE will take care of the

soul that has surrendered to HIM, if not in this birth, atleast in

next birth.

 

Bagavan has said to Arjuna that HE knows past, present and furure,

where as you Arjuna, you know only about your birth in this Jalma.

 

Sri Krishna`s son Samba is Muruga Pruman (Son of Bagavan Shiva).

Yasodha was later Bahudamala foster mother of Sri Srinivasa/Sri

Venkateswara. Namadev later born as Tukaram. There are many examples

of God minded saints taking rebirth.

 

There are ordinary persons in who were in spritual life attained

Bagavan after 1/2 births.

 

There is HERE AND NOW only for rare cases.

 

B.Sathyanarayan

 

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, " sadhak_insight "

<sadhak_insight wrote:

>

> Hari Om

>

>

>

> The question is How to concentrate on God when Basic needs are

not

> fulfilled?

>

>

>

> The answer is that it is not possible that some one's basic needs

> are not fulfilled so long as he is alive. The yardstick of basic

> needs not getting fulfilled is DEATH. That you are alive indicates

> your basic needs are getting fulfilled! Your basic needs are

first-

> Air . Are you not getting air from Mother nature? Reply! If you

are

> not how you are able to survive even for next five minutes? Your

> next basic need is Water! Right? I am sure you are getting that

> because no one can survive without water for more than say 2-3

days.

> Third basic requirement is Food . You have been getting it from

the

> day one and the quantity or quality thereof has been sufficient

> enough so far as evidenced by the fact that you are still alive.

> Next- Cloths. Certainly at present you are not clothless . You

said

> you have wife and children and even access to sophisticated

> communication methods. You should not be home less also. Now

these

> are basic needs- Air, water, food, cloths and home. Hence you

cannot

> say your basic needs are not met.

>

> Now what is the problem in concentrating on God- Brother? Now the

> fact that you have started thinking about God or a need to

> concentrate on God even if with some helplessness or negativity,

> indicates that your basic need is not the world but God! Therefore

> you should decisively turn towards God! Don't worry if you are not

> able to concentrate! If you are very busy in making the two ends

> meet , then also you can concentrate. Keep doing your duties to

the

> best of your abilities, work 24 hours a day if you can, leave the

> results to God and relax! Consider that you are not doing the work

> of " yourself " or of " your wife " or of " your children " – consider

you

> are doing work of God, the sons and daughters of God. Consider

your

> self to be belonging to God and not to be belonging to world or

> worldly people. If you do that you are concentrating on God more

> than any body else and you are concentrating on God 24 hours a

day.

> Once the " Karta " (the doer) has become of the God , the actions

> will become godly, automatically! You have become of the God

> instantly, right then and there. Now it is upto God to keep you as

> he wants. Become worry less thereby. Work for God and not for you-

> same work which you are doing today – keep doing!You have seen the

> world now fully. What is there in it ?. You are getting restless

> because you are identifying yourself with reference to the world.

> Who is happy in this world? Believe me only that person who has

> sought solace in God. Therefore fearlessly become of God! Keep

doing

> your worldly duties! Your God is hidden in your Duty itself.

Another

> name of Duty is DHARMA!

>

> Jai Shree Krishna

>

> Vyas N B

>

> , " sadhak_insight "

> <sadhak_insight@> wrote:

> >

> > dear B.Sathyanarayan .

> > and dear divine souls particpating on this forum... hare

> krishna.....

> > you wrote:

> > > You will surely get best divine life atleast next birth, as in

> this

> > > birth GOD knows you are undergoing your karma effect.

> >

> > Gita is Book of Dynamic spiritualty...

> > here and Now... and not some future lives...

> > Gita is a BOOk of Karma Yoga..do not look for Fruits..of your

> Karma..

> >

> > yogasth kuru karmani, sang twaktwa dhanajaya...

> > sidhi asidi sama bhutva, Samatvaam Yoga Uchaytee...

> >

> > Krishna is advising to act in Yoga uokta..and without getting

> > attached with your actions...Do not worry about sidhi and

> > asidhiii... remain Equanimous..in all results... this is Yoga...

> >

> > Offer all your actions to Krishna is Karma Yoga..

> > Act for the sake of Krishna...for maintenance of World

movement...

> > as per your status in the world...act with sincerity..and leave

the

> > results to Krishna's care.. because you have no right over the

> > fruits...

> > Let Him Decide which result is good for you....

> >

> > thanks..

> > and my humble parnaams to Naryana in ALL...

> > kuldip

> > eternal child

> > --------------------------------

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> >

> > Desires are never met and needs are met. Need is realized after

> > clouds of desires subside. For example, I tried to be a rich man

> and

> > have modern gadgets and technology, but it deprived me of my

> minds'

> > freedom and self nature (swabhaav). It means, I desired what was

> not

> > needed. After I concentrated on my own Self nature, my need was

> > clear and thus became free from desires.

> > K G

> > (Krishna Gopal)

> >

> > --------------------------------

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> -

> > , " sadhak_insight "

> > <sadhak_insight@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear friends,

> > > When basic neccessacities troubling one in mind, it is

difficult

> > to

> > > focus on Bhagavan (God). The equipment body is designed so. A

> > sheep

> > > or cow just eats, live and dies. It is designed so without

> > > intellect. The easy way explained in Puranas is as follows.

> > >

> > > Just do the best possible with dharmic way all you can do to

earn

> > > daily bread, children education, basic requirement etc. Buy a

> > packet

> > > of sweet just place it in front of any diety just thinking in

> mind

> > > it is gift from GOD. Cook food and place a part to diety and

then

> > > eat. Buy flower to your wife, but place it before diety and

then

> > > give to your wife. So in each and every action you do. Going to

> > bed

> > > think of God (Kesava- Govinda- Achuda etc) and sleep not

thinking

> > > what is tomorrow. In this way you are presenting everything to

> GOD

> > > and indirectly and unknowingly you are surrendering to GOD.

That

> > is

> > > pooja- Bakthi- Meditation. God will certainly give you good

> > future.

> > > You will surely get best divine life atleast next birth, as in

> > this

> > > birth GOD knows you are undergoing your karma effect. Bagavan

> says

> > > in Geetha, that HIS sankalpa will be so, that you will take

birth

> > in

> > > divine family, you will be given opportunity in learning

scripts,

> > > vedas etc, you will be made to mingle in SatSang, you will be

> made

> > > to think of HIM deeply and finally taken to HIS abode. You

> require

> > > to work hard for this in this birth to attain that stage. What

> you

> > > did in earlier birth you are reaping the fruits. So do not

waste

> > > time now. Just do everything in presenting to HIM by thought

and

> > > mind. That becomes MANASA pooja.

> > > B.Sathyanarayan

> > > ------------------------------

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> --

> > -

> > > If Arjun would not have refused to fight, there wouldn't be any

> > > Geeta. So main aim of Geeta is to fight against Adharma and

> > > injustice. Its no use of talking of philosophy without

> > understanding

> > > the main aim of Geeta. Please study first and second chapter

> > > carefully.

> > > Dilip Mehta

> > > ------------------------------

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> --

> > > Sadhna ji

> > > That was really wonderful.....

> > > Sushil Jain

> > >

> > > ------------------------------

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> --

> > -

> > > , " sadhak_insight "

> > > <sadhak_insight@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Sadhak,

> > > > Pranaam.

> > > > Bhuke pat bhajan na hot Gopala.... Yes, this is said but on

the

> > > other

> > > > hand , it is the bitter truth that when we suffer we call

> Gopala

> > > > (God). What is sukh (happiness)? What is dukh (unhappiness)?

> > > > Basically both are same, except that in happiness we usually

> > > forget

> > > > HIM, the supreme, Krishna, But in unhappiness, pain, sorrow

> > (dukh)

> > > we

> > > > remember HIM all the time. That is why Kunti Ma prayed Sri

> > Krishna

> > > to

> > > > give her dukh (sorrow) and sankat (difficulties) so that

> Krishna

> > > can

> > > > remain with her at all times.

> > > > According to Gita we should consider happiness (Sukh) and

> > > unhappiness

> > > > (dukh) as Summer -n- winter and bear it indifferently.

Nothing

> > > stays.

> > > > They have their timings, they come and go. Based on my

personal

> > > > experience, I have following suggestions-

> > > >

> > > > 1.Surrender to God completely(sarve dharm paritjya....)- know

> > that

> > > > Karta (the doer) is not you. It is the supreme power (GOD)

> doing

> > > > everything. Whatever situations coming in our way is all

given

> > to

> > > us

> > > > for our own evolution. Something good is hidden in it which

at

> > > this

> > > > stage we can not understand.

> > > >

> > > > 2. " karmanye vadhika raste, ma faleshu kadachana..... " " You

have

> > > the

> > > > right to actions, but not to the fruits thereof " Put your

best

> > > > efforts in whatever you do, and leave the result on to HIM,

> your

> > > > GOD. " Whatever you do, consider it as worship of God,

> > > >

> > > > 3. As per your letter it looks like you worry about your

kids,

> I

> > > used

> > > > to do it a lot too but that was my mistake. They are not

MINE

> at

> > > all.

> > > > Leave their responsiblity on GOPALA too. All world, and its

> > > relations

> > > > exist because of our body consciousness, when we move from

body

> > > > consciousness to God consciousness, nothing exists but HIM.

> > > >

> > > > 4. If we have some strength, good qualities, virtues then

every

> > > body

> > > > will love us, but what if I am weak, no virtues, only vices,

> > only

> > > > bad, lazy, confused, full of desises (kaam), krodh (anger),

moh

> > > > (attachment), lobha (greed). Who is gonna love such a bad

> > one???

> > > > Believe me, only Krishna/Gopala/Khuda/Shiva/Maa/Jesus/ God

> > > whatever

> > > > name you have give IT. He certainly loves you, you just need

to

> > > pray

> > > > and remember- My very Own God " hey mere Bhagwaan " , I am

yours,

> > Do

> > > > whatever pleases to you , I surrender to you completely " and

> > > > surrender to HIM completely, remember Him with every breath

in

> > and

> > > > out. Yes with every breath, remember HIM.

> > > >

> > > > 5. Without fail meditate, 20 minutes in the morning and 20

> > minutes

> > > in

> > > > the evening, trust me, this is the best pactice, all your

past

> > > karmas

> > > > will dissolve rapidly and you will move automatically

towards

> yr

> > > life

> > > > purpose...

> > > > All above words are not preaching, but just out come of my

own

> > > long

> > > > ongoing struggle....

> > > > with lots of love,

> > > > a sadhika

> > > > Sadhna Karigar

> > > > ----------------------------

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> --

> > -

> > > >

> > > > Bhagavd Gita tells us that yesterday is gone. One should not

> > > grieve

> > > > for that. Tomorrow we do not know what is in store. So one

> > should

> > > not

> > > > worry about it either. Today is ours that one can do

something

> > to

> > > > remedy the situation we are in. Also Vivekananda said that

> > there

> > > is

> > > > no point in teaching devotion (Bhakti etc.) to a person in

need

> > of

> > > > basic needs. He said show him how to get out of the

situation

> > > > today. That is the best help one can give.

> > > >

> > > > All our inabilities to face the situation come up strong as

we

> > are

> > > > expecting specific results for our actions. If we can take

> away

> > > that

> > > > expectation and work towards the goal all our energies gush

> > > forward

> > > > and we will see the path for success. This is easily said

than

> > > > practiced. Without human effort nothing material/spiritual

can

> > be

> > > > achieved. Miracles can happen but one cannot depend on them.

> > They

> > > > can happen by the Grace of God at any time but not of our

> > choice.

> > > I

> > > > followed the three step process to get over some of my

problems

> > in

> > > > the past

> > > >

> > > > Step 1.Reduce the time of thinking about the outcome of the

> > effort

> > > as

> > > > well as finding the cause of what happened. To put the blame

on

> > > > oneself or others does not help to forget the past. Worry is

> the

> > > > worst enemy for progress. Gita says we are what we think. I

> > > cannot

> > > > quote the exact verse. Immersion in productive work is best

way

> > to

> > > > achieve the above state.

> > > >

> > > > Step 2. Do the best that we can today and ask how to do any

> > better

> > > > tomorrow

> > > >

> > > > Step 3. What ever comes as a result, accept as Prasadam

(gift)

> > > from

> > > > God and be contended as many of the Sadhakas have already

said.

> > > >

> > > > bvempaty@

> > > >

> > > > ----------------------------

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> --

> > --

> > > > Dear Friend:

> > > >

> > > > Your sincerity in self observation is very much appreciable

> and a

> > > > great asset in spiritual progress. However, I have couple of

> > > > insights based on my experience … hope that would help.

> > > >

> > > > 1. When you feel that you lack something – be it money,

> position,

> > > > recognition, house, children, etc. – better work toward

filling

> > the

> > > > void. I think that is the greatest need for starting on

> spiritual

> > > > path. When you feel the absence of something, you can never

> > > > renuounce the same since you do not have it in the first

place!

> > > >

> > > > 2. If you do not think that you lack anything such as job,

> wife,

> > > > children, wealth, etc., all such relations have renounced you

> > > > already. Again, there is no need to renunciate in particular.

> > > >

> > > > 3. You can renunciate only what you think you have. Please

do

> not

> > > > misunderstand escapism to be renunciation.

> > > >

> > > > 4. Rajaneesh used to explain why it was expensive to join

him –

> > > > " Spirituality requires much higher efforts both in actions

> and

> > > > thinking when compared to mundane works. "

> > > > So, it is better do your duty and become fit in existence,

> > > > perception and experience properly utilizing the wealth,

> > education

> > > > and relations respectively.

> > > >

> > > > 5. No actions can be considered as spirituality – be it going

> > > > to " sacred " places or bhajans or satsang or anything else –

> when

> > > one

> > > > is filled with grief inside. On the other hand, any action –

be

> > it

> > > > work or worship, be it tapas (austerities) or prostitution –

> can

> > > be

> > > > verily spiritual if one exercises contentment within. No one

> can

> > > > escape actions. Spirituality has no bearing on the actual

> > physical

> > > > act; it has bearing on your inner feelings and intentions

> > (bhava)

> > > in

> > > > your actions. In fact, the spirituality is lost in its very

> > > search.

> > > > You can seek spirituality where you are in whatever you are

> > doing.

> > > > Please pay close attention to Bhagavan Vyasa if you happen to

> > read

> > > > Bhagavad Gita.

> > > >

> > > > 6. You do not need to feel guilty if you could not remember

God

> > due

> > > > to the work load. After all, nobody stops you from

remembering

> > God

> > > > while you do work!

> > > >

> > > > 7. Make work worship. Do not make worship work.

> > > >

> > > > Ramana maharshi's used to often caution his visitors, " Don't

> run

> > > > away from your responsibilities, afraid of the challenges of

> > life

> > > in

> > > > search of the truth. Facing the responsibilities and

challenges

> > of

> > > > life is the only way for breaking the associated bondages. "

> > > >

> > > > Niyatam kuru karma tvam karma jyayohyakarmanah

> > > > Shareeraytraapi cha te na prasiddhyet akarmanah

> > > >

> > > > I urge you not to embrace inaction to escape the burden of

your

> > > > responsibilities in the name of spirituality. I appreciate

the

> > pain

> > > > you are going through. In spite of it, I request you to

> > reconsider

> > > > all your options to succeed in life before venturing on

> spiritual

> > > > freedom. In fact, going through the toil of responsibilities

is

> > > part

> > > > of the spiritual practice once you have opened your eyes

toward

> > > > spiritualism. This is my personal appeal to you.

> > > >

> > > > I wish you gather all the strength you can to support

yourself

> to

> > > > your contentment.

> > > >

> > > > Respects.

> > > >

> > > > Naga Narayana.

> > > > ----------------------------

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> --

> > --

> > > > Best wishes for Raam Navmii.

> > > >

> > > > Compare yourself with Arjun. He and his family was hiding for

> > many

> > > > years in forest, no food, and had no social status. But by

> > > personal

> > > > strength, each one survived and Viraat then became his friend

> > and

> > > > relative. Arjun and Krishna and Virat are all nitya (always)

> and

> > > only

> > > > a symbol of characters in a situation. Krishna teaches you as

> > > Arjun

> > > > to be very careful, without ego, and without authority, and

> > follow

> > > > own swabhaav (dharma). Your children will be more happy with

> > > little

> > > > food earned by you by your abilities given by the God, and

> these

> > > > condition will not remain forever. Success/failure is

> > indication

> > > of

> > > > course correction. Ram is similar like you who was in exile

> and

> > > > difficulties taught him to self discovery.

> > > >

> > > > Your e-mail is condition of everyone, and this condition

> becomes

> > > by

> > > > alien influences of the world that derails one from following

> > > his/her

> > > > own swabhaav. If you loose your inner self, and its natural

> > > ability,

> > > > no external learning helps. A fish does not need a Ph D in

> > physics

> > > > for water related technology, she knows it all without

efforts.

> > If

> > > > that fish becomes student of aeronautics and puts its best

> > effort,

> > > > she can do a Ph D but cannot fly. Remember, what is good for

> > one,

> > > may

> > > > not be good for another.

> > > >

> > > > You should look for your inner strengths and what you like

> > doing.

> > > > This excercise will reveal your true nature (swabhaav) to

> > > yourself.

> > > > And when you enjoy working, every other person finds you

happy

> > and

> > > > this surplus happiness makes other persons to come close to

you

> > > and

> > > > share your happiness by co-operation. Find those who are of

> > > similar

> > > > nature as you are, so that defenses do not exist, and you do

> not

> > > > loose your emotional and financial capacities. You should get

> > rid

> > > of

> > > > companionship that is injurious.

> > > >

> > > > Going to temples and fastings are a means of solitude and

> should

> > > not

> > > > be a distraction. These have an aim of staying close to the

> > diety

> > > > (isht) is called Upa waas (up =near, waas = staying) or Upa

> > asana

> > > (up

> > > > = closely asaana = sitting undisturbed). Therefore, your

> > spending

> > > > money on travel and puja and rituals are a sort of business,

> and

> > > > cannot be useful. Remember ! Krishna never asked anyone to

come

> > to

> > > > his place in Dwarka. He rarely stayed in his home city,

because

> > He

> > > is

> > > > mostly out stations attending to all those in the need.

Sudaama

> > > was

> > > > an exception because he had inhibition and thus lacking in a

> > sense

> > > of

> > > > friendship. Nothing is hidden from Krishna, you can do 'up

> > waas'

> > > > or 'upa asaana' wherever you are, and with your work and

remain

> > > > always careful. Please give attention to 'Sav dhaan' (being

> > > careful)

> > > > in following verses:

> > > >

> > > > Sri Tuslidaas says: Sav dhaan, Maanad Mad hiina, Deer Dharma

> > > Gaati,

> > > > Param Praviina.

> > > > Rama who is always careful (sav dhaan), without (hiina)

> > ahankaar

> > > of

> > > > position (maanad) and authority (mad) patiently (dhiir)

walking

> > > > (gati) on self nature (dharma), with the highest (param)

skills

> > > and

> > > > ability (Praviina).

> > > > Gita says: Anpekshah Shuchir Daxah, Udaasino, Gata vyaa thah

> > > > Be wihout expectation (anpekshah) and remain careful of

purity

> > > > (shuchir Daxah) and not get happy and sorrowful (udasiino) as

> > > > everything is passing one after another (gata vaya thah).

> > > >

> > > > Sri Krishna in Bhagwat Gita gives an answer when I was

trying

> to

> > > > understand it and get relief from my false sense of

> > > responsibility.

> > > > Sri Krishna is never in the front (face to face), He is

always

> > > > standing behind. By this way, He is UPDRASTA (looking from

> > back).

> > > He

> > > > is like a projector operator in a cinema. He puts up the reel

> > and

> > > the

> > > > world as we see it comes before us, in the 3 dimensional

> > > realities.

> > > > As a person watching that cinema, you cannot help yourself

and

> > > just

> > > > react. Sri Krishna watches you doing this reaction against

the

> > > sense

> > > > of the cinema that is shown by Him from the back of you. If

you

> > > are

> > > > really clever and recognized this concept, you are big

success.

> > > After

> > > > that Sri Krishna becomes ANUMANTA (or giver of inner

consent)

> to

> > > what

> > > > ever you decide in your pure heart. That means, if you ask

Him

> > why

> > > > things are not coming in the way it should be, He will advise

> > the

> > > > course of action from the heart. In this position, you loose

> > power

> > > to

> > > > react because you now know the source of reality, and do not

> get

> > > > angry on others, and remain free from bias. Sri Krishna will

> > then

> > > > turn into BHARTA (provider). You will be very very surprised

> > that

> > > by

> > > > your changed behaviors, certain people that have never known

> you

> > > will

> > > > get to know you. Your family obligation and your own will be

> > > borne

> > > > by Sri Krishna. For example, take a case of Ustad Bilmilla

> Khan.

> > > He

> > > > was playing Shahnayee (a little known music instrument) and

> this

> > > > became a source of his and his families' livelihood. Sri

> Krishna

> > > is

> > > > now a BHARTA. Food or income given by Sri Krishna in

disguise.

> > > Very

> > > > soon, all desires come to an end. Because any small thing

given

> > by

> > > > Sri Krishna (by whatever means) is enough and desires cannot

> > raise

> > > > their head, and leave you forever. When desires are

fulfilled,

> > > Sri

> > > > Krishna looses the job of a provider (BHARTA). He then

becomes

> > > BHOKTA

> > > > (consumer). The bhakta of Sri Krishna has no desire but He

> still

> > > has

> > > > to live and work without any of His desires. At this

condition,

> > He

> > > is

> > > > interested in a food made with nourishment of deep love. He

is

> > > hungry

> > > > of love and the BHOKTA is looking for food that he can get

only

> > > from

> > > > his bhakta. Sri Krishna can travel from India to US to

Brazilto

> > > > wherever for a 100 mg of food of the Bhakta. This condition

of

> > Sri

> > > > Krishna is called BHOKTA. He is looking for deep love

wherever

> > it

> > > is.

> > > > He can buy, beg, borrow, or steal. He is BHOKTA or consumer

of

> > > pure

> > > > love. That bhakta with Sri Krishna as BHOKTA turns to be

> > MAHEASWAR

> > > > (Shiva – knower of advita). I cannot writ about this state

and

> > > > beyond. From MAHESAR, Sri Krishna becomes PARMATMA.

> > > >

> > > > You should look carefully every person or organization who

> gives

> > > you

> > > > something. Suspect him as Sri Krishna. Take care of Him, He

> > wants

> > > to

> > > > take care of your family through you. This is His duty that

you

> > > are

> > > > appointed to serve the family that you now have from 6

billion

> > > people

> > > > at the earth. If you once loose any of your children, you

> cannot

> > > find

> > > > him/her in the world with 6 billion populations. To leave

them,

> > > and

> > > > be so called sanyasi is not what best service to Sri Krishna.

> > Had

> > > you

> > > > a duty of a renunciate, Sri Krishna would never have given

you

> a

> > > > family and responsibility by Himself.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Regards

> > > > K G Misra

> > > > (Krishna Gopal)

> > > > ----------------------------

--

> --

> > --

> > > >

> > > > Namaste,

> > > > One commits murder and gets jailed. Should he think jail is

> > > Prasad?

> > > > His action of murder known as Brama Hatti. One robs someone

> > money.

> > > Is

> > > > that Prasad to him? One gets addicted to alcohol. Is

addiction

> > > prasad

> > > > for him? Womanising, alcoholism, murder, robbery and gambling

> > are

> > > > known as " Panchama Padakam " means 5 great sins. What Sri

> > > Vaidhinathar

> > > > said was, one should remain divine and surrender to GOD the 6

> > > Gunas

> > > > Kama (desires, lust), Krod (anger), Loba (greed), Madha etc

> > > > eliminated, then for that person everything is Prasad (gift

of

> > > God).

> > > > B.Sathyanarayan.

> > > >

> > > > ----------------------------

--

> --

> > --

> > > > Namaste,

> > > > All that happens to one is from his own account of Prarabdha

> > > > Karma/Sanchita Karma/Agami Karma. One has to suffer or enjoy

> > from

> > > his

> > > > account. God remains ONLY witness until a person becomes

> Jignasu-

> >

> > > > Gyani- Gunateetha.

> > > > Once one falls under divine grace by Bakthi, GOD bestows on

him

> > > the

> > > > super natural powers (Siddhis) which saves him from any

bodily

> > > pain,

> > > > metal dipression, even from calamities, saves from attacks.

> > > > Example: Ramana Rishi tumor on leg was operated and removed

> > > without

> > > > any anesthisia. Ramakrishna Parahamsa had throat cancer but

> > > > absolutely no pain.

> > > > Adi Sankara was to be slained by a person. Bagavan Narashima

> > > appeared

> > > > on one his disciple and got rid of the person who attacked.

> > > > Immedieately Sankara swamy sang sloka on Bagavan Narashimha

> > which

> > > is

> > > > easily available. Jada Baratha was to be beheaded by

canibols.

> > > Mother

> > > > Durga appeared and beheaded the canibols.Samartha Ramadoss

was

> > > > suffering from high fever with shivers when Marathi king

> Shivaji

> > > > visited him. The showel which Ramadoss was covering, Ramadoss

> > took

> > > it

> > > > off and kept aside. Shivaji saw the showel was shivering,

while

> > > > Ramadoss became healthy.

> > > > All these great men said that it is their own karma which

they

> > are

> > > > under going. The only differance between us and them is, we

> > could

> > > > feel the suffering. while they do not feel any suffering due

to

> > > HIS

> > > > grace. We do not know when we die. But they know the date,

time

> > as

> > > to

> > > > when they are leaving this earth.

> > > > So God prasad is to persons with pure mind and divinity. For

> > > Others

> > > > HE remains witness and eargerly waits when these persons will

> > > > surrender to HIM.

> > > > This is from Bagavath Geetha and upanashids. In Geetha

Bagavan

> > > > says, " Mooda " means you ignorant.

> > > > Any action yields results. Work gets money. Eat and hunger

goes

> > > away.

> > > > Kill even an ant, and incur sin (papa karma). See something

get

> > > > thoughts revolving. Shout at someone hydrochloric acid dumps

in

> > > your

> > > > stomack and earn displeasure. Ride a car you arrive at

> > > destination.

> > > > Do service, build hospitals, feed poor etc get Indra Boga.

But

> > if

> > > one

> > > > does sincere pooja/meditation for which karma one gets DAYA

> > > (grace)

> > > > from HIM. This is only prasad that one gets from GOD

directly.

> > All

> > > > other things comes only from ones own account.

> > > >

> > > > If any one needs proof, they can have from Kapila Geetha-

> Uthave

> > > > Geetha- Hamsa Geetha- even some line in Bagavth Geetha,

> > > perticularly

> > > > Bikshu Geetha said by Bagavan in Ekadasa Skadam.

> > > > Dear Sadaks I am only passing on information from the above

> > > scripts

> > > > for all sadaks to gain knowledge on one self.

> > > > Bagavan Sri Krishna said, " I am in Akshram (A Karam), I am in

> > lion

> > > > king animal, in Garuda as Pakshi. " HE is omnipresent but He

is

> > not

> > > > that matter/thing on earth. HE is in a tree but He is not

tree,

> > > > means, the energy that keeps the tree is HIM. That is it what

> > > > Prahalad said to his father. His father tried to burn him in

> > fire,

> > > > drown him in sea, throw him from moutains, but Prahalad saw

> > > Narayana

> > > > in everything and was saved. This interferance of GOD on

Baktha

> > > > during trials is Prasad and the baktha is unaware of any

> > > sufferings.

> > > > Where as ordinary person can feel the suffering because

absence

> > of

> > > > prasad. GOD is Karunyamaya, Purushotama, Daya Sindu,

> > Apprameya.HE

> > > > never ever gives anyone sufferings or pleasures. HE only

> showers

> > > his

> > > > Love on us. HE never differentiate anyone. HIS grace is

showers

> > > any

> > > > time any place. But we are not tuned into his frequency.

> > Ordinary

> > > > mobile has to tuned to the tower frequency. Mind has to be

> tuned

> > > to

> > > > HIS frequency to receive HIS prasad.

> > > > Pardon me if I had given wrong information.

> > > > B.Sathyanarayan

> > > > ----------------------------

--

> --

> > --

> > > -

> > > > humble parnaams to ALL

> > > > I accept Sri Vaidhyanathan's approach.. Acceptance..

> > > > the knowledge of present moment. Result of Cause...my past

Fate

> > is

> > > > the Push i am experiencing in my LIFE

> > > > but..tatiksha..(forebearance)

> > > > time is transitory...it will change...ARISE..

> > > > you are God in your secret Nature..

> > > > Nature is pushing you through your circumstances to awaken

Her

> > > Hidden

> > > > to manifest.

> > > > Pain is a hammer of God..which opens the Heart.

> > > > But Yoga is the Key that Saves you, because IT IS Krishna's

> > Promise

> > > > SHauk mat karo (don't be distressed)

> > > > ma shucheh....

> > > > alweays chant this Mantra

> > > >

> > > > Sarva dharman paritajya; mamekam sharanb vrajeh

> > > > Aham twa serve paapebheu, mokshashehi mashucheh " (Gita 18.66)

> > > >

> > > > IT is Krishna's Promise

> > > > do not worry my dear sweet child..

> > > > do your duties sincerely, and leave the results to Krishna's

> > care..

> > > >

> > > > hare krishna

> > > >

> > > > sevak

> > > > kuldip suri

> > > > eternal child

> > > >

> > > > ----------------------------

--

> --

> > --

> > > -

> > > > My humble request, can someone provide reference verse

number

> > for

> > > > each of the essense mentioned below ?

> > > >

> > > > ESSENCE OF BHAGVAD GITA

> > > >

> > > > Whatever has happened, has happened for good.

> > > > Whatever is happening, is happening for good.

> > > > Whatever is going to happen, it will be for good.

> > > > What have you lost for which you cry?

> > > > What did you bring with you, which you have lost?

> > > > What did you produce, which has been destroyed?

> > > > You did not bring anything when you were born.

> > > > Whatever you have, you have received from Him.

> > > > Whatever you will give, you will give to Him.

> > > > You came empty handed and you will go the same way.

> > > > Whatever is yours today was somebody else's yesterday and

will

> > be

> > > > somebody else's tomorrow.

> > > > SO WHY WORRY UNNECESSARILY?

> > > > Change is the law of the universe

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Thanks

> > > >

> > > > Ganesh Bulbule

> > > > ----------------------------

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> --

> > --

> > > -

> > > > , " sadhak_insight "

> > > > <sadhak_insight@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Pranams. The first and foremost thing in life is to accept

> > > whatever

> > > > > happens to you as God's Prasad. He knows what you deserve

> and

> > > > dishes

> > > > > out accordingly. While I agree that it is difficult to get

> > over

> > > > > emotions, once you realise that whatever you experience is

on

> > > > account

> > > > > of HIS Grace, your mind will become calm.

> > > > > G.Vaidyanahan

> > > > > --------------------------

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> --

> > --

> > > --

> > > > > Namadev was poverty sticken. His children craved for roti.

> > > Namadev

> > > > > taught them to keep saying " Vitala- Vitala- Vitala " .

Faith

> is

> > > our

> > > > > thresh hold. Sri Rama suffered separation from Mother Sita

> > for

> > > > > years. HE suffered depression for sending Mother Sita to

> > forest.

> > > So

> > > > > many saints have been insulted and abused. Our suffering is

> > > little

> > > > or

> > > > > nothing.

> > > > > Praveenji- Actions done in previous lives and in earlier

part

> > of

> > > > our

> > > > > life accumulate karmas, which are the result of our present

> > > state.

> > > > > Wife, children and all are given to us by our dues towards

> > them.

> > > > One

> > > > > can know this from Agastiya Nadi Astrology given by great

> > saint

> > > > > Agastiya.

> > > > >

> > > > > You can visit some ancient temples, do some (small daana)

in

> > > > > particular to a geniune ascetic (sanyasi), say some slokas

as

> > > these

> > > > > can relieve you from some of the problems quicker. This is

> > what

> > > > > Bagavan has said. To get financially sufficient enough to

> > > support

> > > > > your needs, you can say, the sloka, " Siddhi Buddhi Bakthi

> > > Mukthi

> > > > > Pradayani------ " sri mahalakshme stotra.

> > > > > Place your suffering before Bagavan Sri Krishna, and He

will

> > > surely

> > > > > come to your rescue. Have devotion (bakthi) and love

towards

> > > GOD.

> > > > > B.Sathyanarayan.

> > > > > --------------------------

--

> --

> > --

> > > > > Because it is difficult to be engaged in God on an empty

> > > stomach,

> > > > > therefore by praying to God, it will be necessary to find a

> > job

> > > > > (work); All have to work, as has been said even by God.

> This

> > > is

> > > > the

> > > > > the way, the path.

> > > > >

> > > > > in hindi (Khali phet me Muskil hai

> > > > > Isliye Bhagvan se hi Prarthana karke EK achi Naukri toondna

> > > Padega

> > > > > Kam tho Karnahi Padtha hai subko -Karma Yog karke ise

> bhagvan

> > > bi

> > > > > boltha hai. Kam karo paise Kamao Pet ki POOJA karo

Pahle --

> > Is

> > > ke

> > > > > bad Man ki shanti se Bhagvan ki pooja karo. Yehi tho

rastha

> > > hai)

> > > > >

> > > > > Even to Pray HIM we need HIS GRACE

> > > > > So PRAY for HIS Grace and be prepared to WORK HARD Success

> > will

> > > > knock

> > > > > at U

> > > > > Student (Parthasarathi BR)

> > > > > --------------------------

--

> --

> > --

> > > -

> > > > > Seeking spirtuality..is our main purpose and aim in Life.

> But

> > > as a

> > > > > father,husband, son and a business man..you also have

> > obligation

> > > to

> > > > > society.. so follow your innate and essential duties

(Savbhav

> > > > niytam

> > > > > karma...) and seek God's help in your work, by fulfilling

> > ones

> > > > > dharma..

> > > > > there are many stories in the puranas. " pativatra nari

> > > > > became Sageand a vyadh gave guidance to a so called

Tapsvi..

> > > His

> > > > > parents needed him, therefore he was instructed to not

leave

> > the

> > > > > world, to seek God

> > > > >

> > > > > So brother take up your Professioanl Work as part of your

> > > devotion

> > > > > (Bhakti). Make all your work as Service to Divine by

> following

> > > > > righteousness (Satya Dharma). Seek HIm in YOUR WORK, IN

your

> > > > > Family by serving your Wife, childrens as your Duty, and

> after

> > > > > fulfilling your duties..give your Time to assocation with

> > truth

> > > > > (satsangs)..and other related karma which satisfy you.

> > > > >

> > > > > jai siya ram parbhu ji...

> > > > > yes, i have gone through this stage in life.. and i know

the

> > > agony..

> > > > > dear...no doubt there is quest in you ..seeking God..

> > > > > this is adhyatam life.. but we also have our dharma..

> > > > > obligations towards

> > > > > 1. family 2.spiritual growth 3. Serve Society 4. attaining

> > > > > Liberation..

> > > > > dear first purpose of life is to do your duties to those

who

> > > have

> > > > > rights over you (family etc); to seek God's help in your

> > > business,

> > > > to

> > > > > concenrtrate in your Professioonal and at home and after

> > > fulfillig

> > > > > your duties engage in devotion (bhakti), love of God..

> > > > > Love of God can be expressed through your love of wife,

> > > children,

> > > > > parents,and brothers etc. as God manifests in many ways.

> > > > > thanks

> > > > > yr brother

> > > > > kuldip

> > > > > (kuldip suri)

> > > > >

> > > > > =-------------------------

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> --

> > --

> > > ---

> > > > > , " sadhak_insight "

> > > > > <sadhak_insight@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > RAM RAM JI.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I m new to this group but till now I know that this is

> > > marvelous

> > > > > > group with lots of good thinkers on it. I am seeking your

> > > > > assistance.

> > > > > > I am a small business man with limited financial

resources.

> > > I'm

> > > > > > losing all the way for the last 12 years and now top to

> > bottom

> > > > I'm

> > > > > > empty. I'm married and have two kids. I joined this

satsang

> > > > groups

> > > > > > and recently went to Shirdi n 4 jyotirlingas in MP.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I have tried my best to concentrate on spiritual growth

and

> > > > control

> > > > > > vasanas etc. but I can't because " khali pet bhajan na

hoye

> > > > > gopala. "

> > > > > > (On an empty stomach it is difficult to be in remembrance

> > and

> > > > > worship

> > > > > > of God) I want to learn from you all about God. Is there

> > any

> > > way

> > > > > > that I can satisfy myself with whatever I have. Some

time i

> > > > control

> > > > > > my emotions which are going down but when i see my kids

> > > without

> > > > the

> > > > > > basic necessities, I feel more and more down. I just

want

> to

> > > ask

> > > > u

> > > > > > all, how i concentrate on all these good words like

> > spiritual

> > > > > growth

> > > > > > n inner strength and power of soul etc. Please feel

free

> to

> > > > teach

> > > > > me

> > > > > > anything on this platform

> > > > > >

> > > > > > praveen taneja

> > > > > > ------------------------

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> --

> > --

> > > -

> > > > > >

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