How to establish Utopia ?

May 6, 2008

Dear Sadhakas, Namaste!

One cannot depend upon the environment to clean itself of Rajas and Tamas. However, one can become free of gunas by purifying the mind of doership, a false sense of separate being who has free-will independent of God to act.

Environment is our own creation due to our attachment to Rajas and tamas, by our belief in separate self resulting in so many conflicting/competing "me's". Unless we all understand and do sadhana in whatever environment we are placed, it is not possible to clean environment. In ignorance of our true nature, we are such environment!

Many saints and sages have done it including some in our own times inspite of all such excuses, right?

As stated in Gita, God incarnates to take care of evils to reestablish righteousness. So it is up to God to take care of it, not up to us. It may never happen, specially, if we just wait for Him to take care of it! It all starts with us to entice God to show up by preparing ourselves to receive Him. We need to get rid of evil tendencies in us, the greatest of which is egoic one.

God is not separate from us. Saints and Sages of all religions were/are people who received Godhood(Supreme Consciousness) by realization of Oneness of Existence as God, by having unbroken Trust in such God, by living in Love and compassion, feeling mankind's pains at times. They didn't worry about establishing Utopia, they just followed righteousness all the way to realize the Truth!

When we get inspired by such Divine Lives and pursue intensely to bring about changes in our own lives to be free from attachments to beliefs in individuality, we will have attained that which is the only thing worth attaining. Such changes, according to Gita, begins when we engage in selfless karmas for greater good using skillful means available, while total devotion to righteousness, remaining poised to accept whatever may be results of such actions, and contemplation on Truth of one's true self. Such a journey in itself is its own end or Utopia!

Pratap

(Pratap Bhatt)

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Dear Sadak,

If you think of GOD you cannot see the world. If you see the world GOD cannot be seen. In a day of 24 hours one spends time mostly on worldly matters then meditation becomes difficult. To remain aloof, listen to religious speeches (now available in plenty in recorded format), associate with people who are engaged in SAT SANGH, eat pure sattvik vegeterian food prescribed in Geetha, focus mind on GOD` S leelas, talk only about scriptures, see/visit temples, imagine and focus mind on that Sri Krishna from head to toe, listen to sanskit/divine songs. Example: Listen to Madhurastakam. As while listening, meditate on the peacock feather, on Sri Krishna's forehead with tilak, HIS eyes of Karunya so on. Listen to Achudastakam and remain in bliss about HIS leelas. Try making your own songs on Sri Krishna. All these will surely transform you to become HIS devotee (bhakta) and the world will disappear. Seeing something very pleasurable from wrong posters, lingers in mind. The mind is designed so. Use it to see Sri Krishna.

You know the world has been like this for centuries. Droupati was disrobed in open court. Mother Seetha was jailed. Many wars took place. But amidst all this, there was Tukaram, Gyneswar, Alwars, Nayanmars, Numerous Bakthas. So be one of them. Create liking only for Bagavan in most part of day, your success is there.

Loka Shemam HE will take care off.

Namaste

B.Sathyanarayan

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How to establish Utopia ?I wish I knew that secret ... to be established in the utopia at once like Shuka Mahamuni! Even Bhagavan Vyasa had to struggle through for establishing utopia eventually. Ramana Maharshi had to go through the strenuous Tapasya for that.Unless we experience our miseries truthfully, how can we ever understand our ignorance and inertia?Unless we understand our ignorance and inertia, how can we ever mitigate them?Unless our ignorance and inertia are mitigated, how can we be established in The Utopia?Only ONE CORRECTION though ... No one can ever establish The Utopiaas IT overpowers all the powers in the universe. THAT is ever- established. It is we who have departed from THAT in our illusions.So, the correction is ... we should establish ourselves in THAT. We have to get out out of the coccoon of our illusions to experience the Universal Utopia. We have to break the coccoon. We have to make the call for demolishing the cozy home we have built as this coccoon. And, ... we have to work for that. I do not think that itcould be given to anybody in the form of a pill!!!Respects.Naga Narayana.

- , "sadhak_insight" <sadhak_insight wrote:>> Jai Sri Krishna> > I have a question, > > The environment is full of Raj (passion) and Tama (inertia). It > becomes very difficult to chant God's name. I am unable to > concentrate after giving a lot of time to Chanting and spirituality.> > Lord Krishna says ,> > "Yada Yada hi dharmasya glanirbhavti bharat> Abhydhanam adharmasya tadatmanam srijamyaham"> > Lord manifests when there is upsurge of unrighteousness, to kill the > evil doers and establish Utopia. How to establish that Utopia ? > Now ! > > Rahul Kinger> > FROM THE MODERATOR> > The following are the guidelines for Gita-Talk discussions.> > GITA TALK GROUP GUIDELINES:> 1. Purpose of the group is to help Sadhakas clarify their doubts > related to Gitaji shalokas. Therefore, responses which further > clarify the understanding of Gitaji, will only be posted.> 2. Wherever possible, please quote Gitaji or other scriptures to > substantiate your response.> 3. Kindly limit personal feelings, opinions, beliefs etc. to the > extent that they further help in understanding the Gita shlokas > 4. Please be as concise and to the point as possible, respecting > sadhaka's time.> 5. Kindly focus your writing to the subject at hand only.> 6. Please do not include links to the other sites or other > organizations.> 7. Kindly do not include your personal information such as phone > number, address etc.> 8. Please do not address the response to a particular individual > since the message is going to the entire group.> 9. Due to the large readership, all responses may not be posted.> 10. Moderator at his discretion, may modify the posting, if content > is unclear or not appropriate for distribution to the group.> 11. Please respond taking into consideration the novices, youth, > westerners, non-sectarian audience. Kindly limit the use to Sanskrit > words only, rather provide the English word with Sanskrit bracketed > wherever possible. > > MODERATOR> Ram Ram>

May 11, 2008

You may question the transaltion of the word Dharma as Utopia.

Please look at the root of the word Dharma.

It is that which upholds and sustains. Depending upon the context,

it may mean duty, right, religion . In the particular verse that you

have quoted , someone has tranlated the word Dharma as the Kingdom

of God.

It would appear that the answer is getting out of Rajas and Tamas

and into Sattva; that is, to be in the present and come to

stillness. It is to tell the wondering thoughts " not now " and when

your chanting etc is completed, attend to those thereafter.

Vasant Kothari

Chanting is nothing to do with teachings of the Gita. Gita is a

conversation between Arjun and Krishna with Sanjay and Dhratrashtra

overhearing it and it took place in war with weapons around and

warriors ready to kill. This means, Gita is not a prayer book and

people get no benefit by reciting it but people benefit by

understanding it and deep inquiry on ones' own life and work.

Dharma is not prayer or rituals but ones' swabhaav (innate nature).

Let it not fall and thus Sri Krishna says that when an individual is

forced to work against his/her nature, this is most objectionable,

and Sri krishna then helps every individual to choose right type of

work which becomes effortless and people love doing instead of paid

or compensated for it. Glaani = feeling ashamed. Sri Krishna says

that no one is ashamed of doing his/her work which is kartavya (or

for a cause). This work of life is Gita and not praying and

chanting.

Kauravas were not doing dharma as they all were obeying orders or

were part of management. They had lost their ability to choose

proper action and were involved in corruption, stealing (land) and

vulgarity. Pandav were righteous and chosen to do things in self

nature without harming interest of others. This is way of life, and

work is Gita. Gandhiji was true practitioner of Gita because he was

fearless, unmindful of rituals and tradition and doing what he

found fit doing.

best regards

Krishna Gopal

--

, " sadhak_insight "

<sadhak_insight wrote:

>

> Dear Sadhakas, Namaste!

>

> One cannot depend upon the environment to clean itself of Rajas and

> Tamas. However, one can become free of gunas by purifying the mind

of

> doership, a false sense of separate being who has free-will

independent

> of God to act.

>

> Environment is our own creation due to our attachment to Rajas and

> tamas, by our belief in separate self resulting in so many

> conflicting/competing " me's " . Unless we all understand and do

sadhana in

> whatever environment we are placed, it is not possible to clean

> environment. In ignorance of our true nature, we are such

environment!

>

> Many saints and sages have done it including some in our own times

> inspite of all such excuses, right?

>

> As stated in Gita, God incarnates to take care of evils to

reestablish

> righteousness. So it is up to God to take care of it, not up to

us. It

> may never happen, specially, if we just wait for Him to take care

of it!

> It all starts with us to entice God to show up by preparing

ourselves to

> receive Him. We need to get rid of evil tendencies in us, the

greatest

> of which is egoic one.

>

> God is not separate from us. Saints and Sages of all religions

were/are

> people who received Godhood(Supreme Consciousness) by realization

of

> Oneness of Existence as God, by having unbroken Trust in such God,

by

> living in Love and compassion, feeling mankind's pains at times.

They

> didn't worry about establishing Utopia, they just followed

righteousness

> all the way to realize the Truth!

>

> When we get inspired by such Divine Lives and pursue intensely to

bring

> about changes in our own lives to be free from attachments to

beliefs in

> individuality, we will have attained that which is the only thing

worth

> attaining. Such changes, according to Gita, begins when we engage

in

> selfless karmas for greater good using skillful means available,

while

> total devotion to righteousness, remaining poised to accept

whatever may

> be results of such actions, and contemplation on Truth of one's

true

> self. Such a journey in itself is its own end or Utopia!

>

> Pratap

>

> (Pratap Bhatt)

>

> -

-----\

> -------

>

> Dear Sadak,

>

> If you think of GOD you cannot see the world. If you see the world

GOD

> cannot be seen. In a day of 24 hours one spends time mostly on

worldly

> matters then meditation becomes difficult. To remain aloof, listen

to

> religious speeches (now available in plenty in recorded format),

> associate with people who are engaged in SAT SANGH, eat pure

sattvik

> vegeterian food prescribed in Geetha, focus mind on GOD` S leelas,

talk

> only about scriptures, see/visit temples, imagine and focus mind

on that

> Sri Krishna from head to toe, listen to sanskit/divine songs.

Example:

> Listen to Madhurastakam. As while listening, meditate on the

peacock

> feather, on Sri Krishna's forehead with tilak, HIS eyes of Karunya

so

> on. Listen to Achudastakam and remain in bliss about HIS leelas.

Try

> making your own songs on Sri Krishna. All these will surely

transform

> you to become HIS devotee (bhakta) and the world will disappear.

Seeing

> something very pleasurable from wrong posters, lingers in mind.

The mind

> is designed so. Use it to see Sri Krishna.

>

> You know the world has been like this for centuries. Droupati was

> disrobed in open court. Mother Seetha was jailed. Many wars took

place.

> But amidst all this, there was Tukaram, Gyneswar, Alwars,

Nayanmars,

> Numerous Bakthas. So be one of them. Create liking only for

Bagavan in

> most part of day, your success is there.

>

> Loka Shemam HE will take care off.

>

> Namaste

>

> B.Sathyanarayan

>