Guest guest Posted May 13, 2008 Report Share Posted May 13, 2008 Dear Sadhak, Man's (Purusha) Dharma, Woman's (Shree) Dharma, Dharma towards Nature (Prakruthi), Prayachitha Dharma, Bhavatha Dharma, Ascetic's (Sanyasi) Dharma, King's (Raja) Dharma, Spiritual Guide's (Guru) Dharma, Brahmana Dharma etc. scriptures are there and clearly rules are laid down. Dharma for one is not Dharma for another. Each have to know their own dharmas. Dharma is the way of life one has to follow. Man's (Purusha) Dharma: To lead the whole family in rightious path, look after his dependents Woman's (Shree) Dharma: To abide by parents words. After marriage to abide by husbands words Dharma towards Nature(Prakurthi): What ever he takes from nature he should give back to nature. Example: Nature gives water, one should give water to plants daily. One breaths air, he should do Agni homan daily at specified time to purify air. Enjoy many things on earth, say thanks to devathas. And so on--. But do all saying at the end, " Narayanayethi Samarpayame " . Prayachita Dharma: King Dasharath by mistake sent arrow to a boy who was taking water from river in forest. The boy died. No one was witness to it. But the king approached rishis and did prayachit. To say that even in mind level be pure for wrong action. Bhagavatha Dharma: Not to show any differance on anyone pronounces Bagavan Name. Example: Kabir dass got upadesh (Seetha Ram) from Brahmin Saint. A bhat gave food to lepor at Puri when the man said Bhagavan's (God's) name. Ascetic's (Sanyasi) Dharma: Not to ask for food more than five houses in a day. Not to have more than a pair of cloths. Not to stick to any particular place. Once a person gets into safrin robes he cannot go back to family life. This person has NO ANY PRAYACHIT OR EXCUSE if he does go back to family. King's (Raja) Dharma: To give his life to pleople. Sri Rama sent mother Seetha to forest based on this Dharma. Spiritual Guide (Guru) Dharma: To impart knowledge only about Para Brahma (God). Brahmana Dharma: Should live only Unjavirthi. Should never eat non veg. Should say Gayathri Etc For saint like Viswamitra or Vasita; They can only defend themselves not punish. This Dharma is reverse in Raja Dharma. Raja has to punish the wrong doer. That is the Dharma, God (Bhagavan) told Arjuna to follow not seeing kith and kin. So king` s dharma even to give his life. May Bhagavan bless all sadhaks to lead life of Dharma. Namaste B.Sathyanarayan Dharma is 'swa bhaav' or involuntary consciousness which forces each one of us to do certain things. Involuntary consciousness is also called sub consciousness like subway which is underground tunnel. This sub way or swabhav upon which our visible or manifested nature exist is Dharma. This is not voluntary and can not be in our control but we are controlled by it. This is therefore not ritual or religion or any vyavastha or vyavsaya. Sva bhaav is SAT but its manifested part is RAJ. Raj means dust. Cow is worshipped for her swabhaav (sat) but her milk is dust of cow. In India, those who live with cow are called GWALA or gopal or cow man and has similar nature as cow. This Gopal is SAT guna. In the west, these are called Milk Man that means, they are limited to milk only and unmindful of the source of it. Milk man is Raj Gunii, Gopal is Sat gunii. Love noble people that are of cow in character, and never mind milk. Milk man is hopless because he is limited only to milk and never ever understands cow and her everything her soul, her ubine, dung, milk, love and all. Regards Krishna Gopal The cow man and not milk man Can Dharma be converted into utopia? Back in college I remember studying it as one of the great art works of all time and more recently, it has been on everyone's mind with all the hype about the Da Vinci Code. Everyone is talking about it. Indeed, Da Vinci's Last Supper has become one of the most widely appreciated masterpieces in the world. It began to acquire its unique reputation immediately after it was finished in 1498 and its prestige has never diminished. Despite the many changes in tastes, artistic styles, and rapid physical deterioration of the painting itself, the painting's status as an extraordinary creation has never been questioned nor doubted, and now I was standing in front of all of its beauty. Indeed, it is a great work of art, but the perfection of this work lies not only in the artistic merits of the painting, but also in Leonardo's expressive mastery. Leonardo's Last Supper is an ideal pictorial representation of the most important event in the Christian doctrine of salvation - the institution of the Eucharist. No other painting of a Christian subject dominates our imagination with the same power of Da Vinci's Last Supper. When thoughts turn to the Last Supper, we seem to see only Leonardo's representation before us. Standing there, I felt as if I was taking part in the supper. Leonardo Da Vinci was already a well known artist when he created his masterpiece The Last Super. He painted it on the back wall of the dining hall at the Dominican convent of Sta Maria delle Grazie in Milan, Italy. The reason the painting is laid out the way it is that Leonardo was trying to " extend the room " to make it look like Jesus and his apostles were sitting at the end of the dining hall. He painted it not to create a great work of art, but to simply decorate a room, but his work achieved so much more and is clearly inextricably intertwined with the great message of salvation. Over the years, the elements took their toll and by the late 20th century, the painting was hardly recognizable. It had become covered with all sorts of things, including improper methods applied to preserve it and a bombing in World War II. Dan Brown told a lie that da Vinci had a secret code in the painting about Mary Magdalene. Jesus lived in the 1st century. Leonardo da Vinci painted it in 1498, 14 centuries later. da Vinci was not a contemporary of Jesus. Then, how could he know about the secret of Jesus? Dan Brown lied in his novel and became famous. Even the original painting began to fade. Dan Brown manipulated to show Mary Magdalene in a controversial posture. So, beginning in 1979 and lasting for twenty years, efforts were made to once again bring the painting to life and in 1999, the dining hall in Milan was once again open for public viewing. As I stood there taking it all in, I could only think of the parallels to the human life. Over time we become covered with the junk and pollution of the world, our beauty is covered and we fail to be the shining light God intended us to be. But the good news is that, like the great painting, we too can be restored. The garbage that covers us can be washed away by the hand of God and we too can be restored to glory. The psalmist cried out " Restore us, O God; make your face shine upon us, that we may be saved. " We too can reach out to God and see his face shine upon us and we too can be restored and saved. Question: What is your favorite part of nature? How does it reveal God's glory to you? That revelation is real Utopia. Dharma brings God's glory nearer to us. Yeshu Rathenam , " sadhak_insight " <sadhak_insight wrote: > > You may question the transaltion of the word Dharma as Utopia. > Please look at the root of the word Dharma. > It is that which upholds and sustains. Depending upon the context, > it may mean duty, right, religion . In the particular verse that you > have quoted , someone has tranlated the word Dharma as the Kingdom > of God. > > It would appear that the answer is getting out of Rajas and Tamas > and into Sattva; that is, to be in the present and come to > stillness. It is to tell the wondering thoughts " not now " and when > your chanting etc is completed, attend to those thereafter. > Vasant Kothari > > > Chanting is nothing to do with teachings of the Gita. Gita is a > conversation between Arjun and Krishna with Sanjay and Dhratrashtra > overhearing it and it took place in war with weapons around and > warriors ready to kill. This means, Gita is not a prayer book and > people get no benefit by reciting it but people benefit by > understanding it and deep inquiry on ones' own life and work. > > Dharma is not prayer or rituals but ones' swabhaav (innate nature). > Let it not fall and thus Sri Krishna says that when an individual is > forced to work against his/her nature, this is most objectionable, > and Sri krishna then helps every individual to choose right type of > work which becomes effortless and people love doing instead of paid > or compensated for it. Glaani = feeling ashamed. Sri Krishna says > that no one is ashamed of doing his/her work which is kartavya (or > for a cause). This work of life is Gita and not praying and > chanting. > > Kauravas were not doing dharma as they all were obeying orders or > were part of management. They had lost their ability to choose > proper action and were involved in corruption, stealing (land) and > vulgarity. Pandav were righteous and chosen to do things in self > nature without harming interest of others. This is way of life, and > work is Gita. Gandhiji was true practitioner of Gita because he was > fearless, unmindful of rituals and tradition and doing what he > found fit doing. > best regards > Krishna Gopal > > > -- > , " sadhak_insight " > <sadhak_insight@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Sadhakas, Namaste! > > > > One cannot depend upon the environment to clean itself of Rajas and > > Tamas. However, one can become free of gunas by purifying the mind > of > > doership, a false sense of separate being who has free-will > independent > > of God to act. > > > > Environment is our own creation due to our attachment to Rajas and > > tamas, by our belief in separate self resulting in so many > > conflicting/competing " me's " . Unless we all understand and do > sadhana in > > whatever environment we are placed, it is not possible to clean > > environment. In ignorance of our true nature, we are such > environment! > > > > Many saints and sages have done it including some in our own times > > inspite of all such excuses, right? > > > > As stated in Gita, God incarnates to take care of evils to > reestablish > > righteousness. So it is up to God to take care of it, not up to > us. It > > may never happen, specially, if we just wait for Him to take care > of it! > > It all starts with us to entice God to show up by preparing > ourselves to > > receive Him. We need to get rid of evil tendencies in us, the > greatest > > of which is egoic one. > > > > God is not separate from us. Saints and Sages of all religions > were/are > > people who received Godhood(Supreme Consciousness) by realization > of > > Oneness of Existence as God, by having unbroken Trust in such God, > by > > living in Love and compassion, feeling mankind's pains at times. > They > > didn't worry about establishing Utopia, they just followed > righteousness > > all the way to realize the Truth! > > > > When we get inspired by such Divine Lives and pursue intensely to > bring > > about changes in our own lives to be free from attachments to > beliefs in > > individuality, we will have attained that which is the only thing > worth > > attaining. Such changes, according to Gita, begins when we engage > in > > selfless karmas for greater good using skillful means available, > while > > total devotion to righteousness, remaining poised to accept > whatever may > > be results of such actions, and contemplation on Truth of one's > true > > self. Such a journey in itself is its own end or Utopia! > > > > Pratap > > > > (Pratap Bhatt) > > > > - > -----\ > > ------- > > > > Dear Sadak, > > > > If you think of GOD you cannot see the world. If you see the world > GOD > > cannot be seen. In a day of 24 hours one spends time mostly on > worldly > > matters then meditation becomes difficult. To remain aloof, listen > to > > religious speeches (now available in plenty in recorded format), > > associate with people who are engaged in SAT SANGH, eat pure > sattvik > > vegeterian food prescribed in Geetha, focus mind on GOD` S leelas, > talk > > only about scriptures, see/visit temples, imagine and focus mind > on that > > Sri Krishna from head to toe, listen to sanskit/divine songs. > Example: > > Listen to Madhurastakam. As while listening, meditate on the > peacock > > feather, on Sri Krishna's forehead with tilak, HIS eyes of Karunya > so > > on. Listen to Achudastakam and remain in bliss about HIS leelas. > Try > > making your own songs on Sri Krishna. All these will surely > transform > > you to become HIS devotee (bhakta) and the world will disappear. > Seeing > > something very pleasurable from wrong posters, lingers in mind. > The mind > > is designed so. Use it to see Sri Krishna. > > > > You know the world has been like this for centuries. Droupati was > > disrobed in open court. Mother Seetha was jailed. Many wars took > place. > > But amidst all this, there was Tukaram, Gyneswar, Alwars, > Nayanmars, > > Numerous Bakthas. So be one of them. Create liking only for > Bagavan in > > most part of day, your success is there. > > > > Loka Shemam HE will take care off. > > > > Namaste > > > > B.Sathyanarayan > > > > - > -----\ > > ------- > > > > How to establish Utopia ? > > > > I wish I knew that secret ... to be established in the utopia at > once > > like Shuka Mahamuni! Even Bhagavan Vyasa had to struggle through > for > > establishing utopia eventually. Ramana Maharshi had to go through > the > > strenuous Tapasya for that. > > > > Unless we experience our miseries truthfully, how can we ever > understand > > our ignorance and inertia? > > > > Unless we understand our ignorance and inertia, how can we ever > mitigate > > them? > > > > Unless our ignorance and inertia are mitigated, how can we be > > established in The Utopia? > > > > Only ONE CORRECTION though ... No one can ever establish The Utopia > > as IT overpowers all the powers in the universe. THAT is ever- > > established. It is we who have departed from THAT in our illusions. > > So, the correction is ... we should establish ourselves in THAT. > We have > > to get out out of the coccoon of our illusions to experience the > > Universal Utopia. We have to break the coccoon. We have to make > the call > > for demolishing the cozy home we have built as this coccoon. > And, ... we > > have to work for that. I do not think that it > > could be given to anybody in the form of a pill!!! > > > > Respects. > > > > Naga Narayana. > > > > > > > > - > -----\ > > ------- > > , " sadhak_insight " > <sadhak_insight@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Jai Sri Krishna > > > > > > I have a question, > > > > > > The environment is full of Raj (passion) and Tama (inertia). It > > > becomes very difficult to chant God's name. I am unable to > > > concentrate after giving a lot of time to Chanting and > spirituality. > > > > > > Lord Krishna says , > > > > > > " Yada Yada hi dharmasya glanirbhavti bharat > > > Abhydhanam adharmasya tadatmanam srijamyaham " > > > > > > Lord manifests when there is upsurge of unrighteousness, to kill > the > > > evil doers and establish Utopia. How to establish that Utopia ? > > > Now ! > > > > > > Rahul Kinger > > > > > > FROM THE MODERATOR > > > > > > The following are the guidelines for Gita-Talk discussions. > > > > > > GITA TALK GROUP GUIDELINES: > > > 1. 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