Why Existence of Sorrow in this World, which is a Manifestation of God ?

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Hari Om

 

Here is a question for deliberation by Saadhaks in this forum :-

 

God is stated to be (i) All knowing (Sarvagya); (ii) all powerful

(sarva samarth) and (iii) the kindest (param dayalu). It is also

stated in Geetaji that we all are God's children ( 15:07). Now if we

have any sorrow in life , does not God know it? Yes , He knows it-

because he is " all knowing " ! Now even if he knows about our sorrow

and if he does not have power to remove our sorrow ,it is

understandable. At the most He will also weep along with us. But He

is " all powerful " .Hence, God can not tell us that " I did not know

Son " because He is " all knowing " nor can He say " I have no powers

to remove your sorrow, Son " - because he is " all powerful " . Still

sorrow can exist in the world if the God were cruel. But God is not

at all cruel. He is the uppermost limit of compassion - Daya. No one

can be more merciful than God.More over He is our father. God can

not tell us- " You pay for what ever you did ! I am sorry I can't

help you " Even, we, as worldly fathers do not refuse to give milk

to our child even if the child has notoriously spilled the earlier

glass of milk , then how can God take stand that " As you sow ,

so shall you reap . I am sorry , I can't help you. Suffer! "

 

Now the question is that then HOW SORROW EXISTS? How in the world,

which is a manifestation of the loving Father for his children ( a

father who is all knowing, who is all powerful and who is the

kindest), there can exist even the slightest amount of " Sorrow " ?

 

Saadhaks may kindly give their views.

 

Jai Shree Krishna

 

Vyas N B

 

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Dear Sadhakas, Namaste!

 

Many times such questions are asked by us to others and to

ourselves.

 

One has to engage in sincere investigation that is one's own and not

just handed over answers by another or by collecting information

from scriptures, or by repeating what is heard from Punditas

(Intellectuals/scholars etc). The field of such investigation is as

follows:

 

1) What am I really that is in sorrow?

 

2) What is this world that is in sorrow?

 

3) What is God that is all-knowng, all powerful, all-loving, and yet

allowing sorrow?

 

4) What is the relationshhip between such " I " , the world, God?

 

Lord Krishna in Gita gives all answers right in 2nd Chapter and

expounded or built on them throughout. He didn't answer in a

preaching mannerism, rather, as a friend suggesting to a friend,

entertaining all questions and doubts, giving Arjuna the opportunity

to think and see for himself, first handed. Knowing these answers

one naturally gets established in right relationship with God, as

did Arjuna, and only then one is free!

 

Sadhakas will have to burn with intense longing, be ready to pay

whatever, go wherever this road takes you and not satisfy unless it

is seen with utmost clarity within you.

 

Everything is open to questions, doubts, challenges, provided they

stem from sincere desire to know the truth, and not to win arguments

or show off.

 

In all humility, dear ones, I can say that the " entire universe will

conspire " to give you the answers that will blow you away along

with " your " sorrows!

 

Then you may say, how can sorrow exist in such God, Himself manifest

as world?

 

(World seen as manifestation of God still puts a distance between

the two giving rise to such questions as asked " why...?).

 

Only in my ignorance of not knowing truth, I caused suffering

to " me " and to " others " . And this ignorance is like a dream from

which one wakes up by such investigations!

 

Namaskars... Pratap

(Pratap Bhatt)

-

Pranam,

 

Sorrow and happines are relative. If you fail in an examination you

feel sorry, very very sorry- but when you notice that some more have

also failed, the level of sorrow reduces. A few years back you were

sorry that you had a B & W T V ; while your neighbour had a coloured

one. Today you are happy because you have a laptop ,while your

neighbour has only a desk top computer.There is no end to sorrow &

happiness but both are short lived.

 

Hence " sukha dukhhe same krutwa, labha labho jaya jayo ------:

(2/38)

 

Pranam

Suhas Gogate

 

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Sorrow is separation or not knowing or not believing in the relation

of that person with the God. If a person is living frugal life

style (bhikshu) being son of a king, like Sidharth (who later

became Buddha) all will respect that person. But not all beggars get

that reverential status of Siddhath. Beggars are deprived not just

for food and shelter but loss of connection with almighty. Sidhath

did not have food and no shelter for a long time, and yet was not

deprived. Harry Ford is sanyasi and his forefathers made

automobiles.

 

So the sorrow is a state of helplessness when he/she cannot

recognizes his/her relationship with the God and presence of in

around. A child goes to market with his grandfather and holds his

finger very tight. The child never leaves that finger and holds the

grand father with that finger control to stay at whatever shop child

looks at. But if child even for a minute lost the finger, no shop is

attractive and child immediately starts weeping. This is sorrow.

Sorrow and happiness for child is not found in market but in the

finger that child holds of his grand father. This is same law

applies to all of us with our relation of the God. Child holding

finger of the God never weeps in toughest of condition, and feels no

sorrow.

 

In Bhagwat Gita, Sri Krishna introduced Him as UpDrishta.

Updrishtanumanta ch Bharta Bhokta Maheswarah ..... This upDrista

means, who shows from behind like a projector operator of cinema.

The film is run from behind while the audience (Drishta) is looking

at canvas or screen upon which images flow (Drashya).

 

Therefore, loosing thought of projector operator (upDrishta) those

fighting with images on screen find it illusion and remain sorrowful

and develop branches of theory and thoughts unncessarily.

 

Regards

K G

(Krishna Gopal)

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Hare Krsna,

 

It was " We " who wished for the independence from Lord. We wanted to

get the experience of a so called " independent world " . But this

materialistic world is dukhaalayam ashaashvatham. Its bound to give

you only temporary happiness. We should rise above it. We should

wish to gain something that is eternally happy. It is not Lord who

gave us sorrows, it we who chose to be in this materialistic world.

 

Kindly add your views on the same and kindly do let me know if I am

wrong somewhere...

 

Hari Bol...

Ramchander Kunta.

-

 

Omnipotent, Omniscient,Omnipresent and Full of Mercy - that " HE " is.

One who accepts him to be that has accepted the events

surrounding " him " to be " His " Krupa Prasad and therefore " he " is

happy for it.

 

Sant Meera has said at one point " Upadi Ganshadi Vethani re Kem

Nakhi Devay " then in second line she says " Te Chhe Ranchhodlal

Shethni Re Kem Nakhhi Devay " Translated as The problems are to be

dealt with and can not be thrown away either accept it as burdon or

His Gift. It is all in your view of things. I would like a Gitaji

Shlok expressing similar view if any of the Sadhaks can recall. Jay

Shree Krishna.

 

Hemendra Parikh

 

 

 

, " sadhak_insight "

<sadhak_insight wrote:

>

> Hari Om

>

> Here is a question for deliberation by Saadhaks in this forum :-

>

> God is stated to be (i) All knowing (Sarvagya); (ii) all powerful

> (sarva samarth) and (iii) the kindest (param dayalu). It is also

> stated in Geetaji that we all are God's children ( 15:07). Now if

we

> have any sorrow in life , does not God know it? Yes , He knows it-

> because he is " all knowing " ! Now even if he knows about our sorrow

> and if he does not have power to remove our sorrow ,it is

> understandable. At the most He will also weep along with us. But He

> is " all powerful " .Hence, God can not tell us that " I did not know

> Son " because He is " all knowing " nor can He say " I have no powers

> to remove your sorrow, Son " - because he is " all powerful " . Still

> sorrow can exist in the world if the God were cruel. But God is not

> at all cruel. He is the uppermost limit of compassion - Daya. No

one

> can be more merciful than God.More over He is our father. God can

> not tell us- " You pay for what ever you did ! I am sorry I can't

> help you " Even, we, as worldly fathers do not refuse to give milk

> to our child even if the child has notoriously spilled the earlier

> glass of milk , then how can God take stand that " As you sow ,

> so shall you reap . I am sorry , I can't help you. Suffer! "

>

> Now the question is that then HOW SORROW EXISTS? How in the

world,

> which is a manifestation of the loving Father for his children ( a

> father who is all knowing, who is all powerful and who is the

> kindest), there can exist even the slightest amount of " Sorrow " ?

>

> Saadhaks may kindly give their views.

>

> Jai Shree Krishna

>

> Vyas N B

>

> -------------------------------

> GUIDELINES FOR POSTING A RESPONSE:

>

> 1. The group is focused on the Holy Gitaji, therefore, only

> responses which further clarify the understanding of Gitaji, will

be

> posted.

>

> 2. Making reference of Gitaji shloka is highly encouraged - at

least

> once in the response. Wherever possible, please quote Gitaji or

> other scriptures to substantiate your response.

>

> 3. Please be as concise and to the point as possible, respecting

> sadhaka's time. Under no circustance the answer should exceed say

> one page at the most (500 words or so).

>

> 4. Kindly limit personal feelings, opinions, beliefs etc. to the

> extent that they further help in understanding the Gita shlokas

>

> 5. Kindly focus your writing to the subject at hand only.

>

> 6. Please do not include links to the other sites or other

> organizations.

>

> 7. Complete reproduction of texts from any book is strongly

> discouraged, however references may be made of the book or author

> (but not links to other sites).

>

> 8. Kindly do not include your personal information such as phone

> number, address etc.

>

> 9. Please do not address the response to a particular individual

> since the message is going to the entire group.

>

> 10. Due to the large readership, only those responses will be

posted

> which are in line with the general philosophy of taking Shrimad

> Bhagavad Gita as the reference.

>

> 11. Moderator at his discretion, may modify the posting, if content

> is unclear for distribution or not directly related to the question

> being asked.

>

> 12. Please respond taking into consideration the novices, youth,

> westerners, non-sectarian audience. Kindly limit the use of only

> Sanskrit words, rather provide the English word with Sanskrit

> bracketed wherever possible.

>

> MODERATOR

> Ram Ram

>