Guest guest Posted July 1, 2008 Report Share Posted July 1, 2008 But please also explain how a man should feel about his real home? because he probably does not connect to his wife, the way wife does. How does he feel about the real home? Is there any instance (as you have given in case of woman) by which man can be made to understand about their real home? we are also failing to understand why a woman does not find her mother's place as her real home? The parent who had brought her up, taken care of her, how does it become her " unreal " home? Where in Gita verses does it drive this point, so that we may understand our real home (moderator addition). ADMAG CALCUTTA :Shree Hari: 9th August, 2007, Thursday Sravana Krishna Ekadashi, Vikram Samvat 2064, Guruvar A married woman after few days of visiting her parent's home says to her mother that she must return back to her own home. She is worried about her husband's well-being and his daily meals. Inspite of staying at her mother's house, her worries remain connected with her own home, because deep within she understands that she does not belong at her mother's home. Similarly a devotee (who has taken refuge in God), even though he lives in this world, he never forgets that he belongs to God. Rather he understands that - " This world is not mine; Only God is mine. " This is " karan nirpeksh saadhan " Just like the married woman accepts that she belongs to her husband, so does a devotee accept that He belongs to God. Just like the devout wife, when she accepts the relationship with her husband, she does not have to do anything special to accept and believe this, and there after for the rest of her life all the work that she does, she does for her husband, including cooking, bathing, dressing up, shopping, or whatever it be. She also wears a bindi for her husband. Everything is as a result of the relationship with her husband. Similarly, the devotee on accepting that he belongs to God, does not do anything special, but thereafter for the rest of his life, he is doing God's work. All work whether worldly or spiritual is all work that is to be done for God. In this spiritual practice, the sense of mine-ness changes, it transforms. Previously the individual considered himself to be of this world. When his ego, his sense of mine-ness changed, his belief changed to " I belong to God " . Before he believed that he was a Brahmin, a Kshatriya, etc. but this belief changed. He believes He is neither a Brahmin, nor a Kshatriya, nor a celibate, nor an ascetic, nor a householder, nor a retiree, nor a sanyasi, nor a renunciate. Rather He is a servant of the servant of the servant of the lotus feet of the Lord (Gopi's Shyamsunder) , the One who is eternally blissful, in the ever-bubbling ocean of nectar. From " Jit Dekhu Tit Tu " in Hindi by Swami Ramsukhdasji, page 47 and 49. Ram Ram GUIDELINES FOR POSTING A RESPONSE: 1. The group is focused on the Holy Gitaji, therefore, only responses which further clarify the understanding of Gitaji, will be posted. 2. Making reference of Gitaji shloka is highly encouraged - at least once in the response. Wherever possible, please quote Gitaji or other scriptures to substantiate your response. 3. Please be as concise and to the point as possible, respecting sadhaka's time. Under no circustance the answer should exceed say one page at the most (500 words or so). 4. Kindly limit personal feelings, opinions, beliefs etc. to the extent that they further help in understanding the Gita shlokas 5. Kindly focus your writing to the subject at hand only. 6. Please do not include links to the other sites or other organizations. 7. Complete reproduction of texts from any book is strongly discouraged, however references may be made of the book or author (but not links to other sites). 8. Kindly do not include your personal information such as phone number, address etc. 9. Please do not address the response to a particular individual since the message is going to the entire group. 10. Due to the large readership, only those responses will be posted which are in line with the general philosophy of taking Shrimad Bhagavad Gita as the reference. 11. Moderator at his discretion, may modify the posting, if content is unclear for distribution or not directly related to the question being asked. 12. Please respond taking into consideration the novices, youth, westerners, non-sectarian audience. Kindly limit the use of only Sanskrit words, rather provide the English word with Sanskrit bracketed wherever possible. MODERATOR Ram Ram Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 5, 2008 Report Share Posted July 5, 2008 Lets define real first. Real thing is which exists forever. Which is available to all equally. Which exists everywhere. Which is accesible to everyone. You cant allow everybody to live in your home. If it does not meet the above criteria, it is not real, it will not exist forever, nor did it ever exist since the beginning. You can feel AT HOME at your place but not at others place. Even when you are at your home and someone visits your home you don't feel as much at ease, as you feel when you are by yourself, alone. Therefore your, mine, his, her are unreal titles. Lets think beyond this. Real is the feeling that goes beyond time, place, situation, incidents, and so on. Contemplate well on this. Hope this helps. Always at thy lotus feet. Raja Gurdasani ------------------------------ Dear Sadak, There is an example: One of the 12 Vishivites Saint Nammalvar sang, " Unnum Sorum Parugum Neerum Ellame Kannanuke " . Means food I eat, water I drink all are for Kannan (Sri Krishna). This saint at tender age crawled and sat in hole of Aswatham tree for years. He never spoke to anyone until Madhurakavi Alwar (another Vaishavite Saint) came and asked him a question. There is only one home to realize is SR VAIKUNTAM (God's place of Abode). B.Sathyanarayan ------------------------------- I don't understand how answer to this will help in one's spiritual practice (Sadhana)? A.H.Dalmia , " sadhak_insight " <sadhak_insight wrote: > > But please also explain how a man should feel about his real home? > because he probably does not connect to his wife, the way wife does. > How does he feel about the real home? Is there any instance (as you > have given in case of woman) by which man can be made to understand > about their real home? we are also failing to understand why a woman > does not find her mother's place as her real home? The parent who > had brought her up, taken care of her, how does it become > her " unreal " home? > > Where in Gita verses does it drive this point, so that we may > understand our real home (moderator addition). > > ADMAG CALCUTTA > > > :Shree Hari: > > 9th August, 2007, Thursday > Sravana Krishna Ekadashi, Vikram Samvat 2064, Guruvar > > A married woman after few days of visiting her parent's home says to > her mother that she must return back to her own home. She is worried > about her husband's well-being and his daily meals. Inspite of > staying at her mother's house, her worries remain connected with her > own home, because deep within she understands that she does not > belong at her mother's home. Similarly a devotee (who has taken > refuge in God), even though he lives in this world, he never forgets > that he belongs to God. Rather he understands that - " This world is > not mine; Only God is mine. " This is " karan nirpeksh saadhan " > > Just like the married woman accepts that she belongs to her husband, > so does a devotee accept that He belongs to God. Just like the > devout wife, when she accepts the relationship with her husband, she > does not have to do anything special to accept and believe this, and > there after for the rest of her life all the work that she does, she > does for her husband, including cooking, bathing, dressing up, > shopping, or whatever it be. She also wears a bindi for her husband. > Everything is as a result of the relationship with her husband. > Similarly, the devotee on accepting that he belongs to God, does not > do anything special, but thereafter for the rest of his life, he is > doing God's work. All work whether worldly or spiritual is all work > that is to be done for God. > > In this spiritual practice, the sense of mine-ness changes, it > transforms. Previously the individual considered himself to be of > this world. When his ego, his sense of mine-ness changed, his belief > changed to " I belong to God " . Before he believed that he was a > Brahmin, a Kshatriya, etc. but this belief changed. He believes He > is neither a Brahmin, nor a Kshatriya, nor a celibate, nor an > ascetic, nor a householder, nor a retiree, nor a sanyasi, nor a > renunciate. Rather He is a servant of the servant of the servant of > the lotus feet of the Lord (Gopi's Shyamsunder) , the One who is > eternally blissful, in the ever-bubbling ocean of nectar. > > From " Jit Dekhu Tit Tu " in Hindi by Swami Ramsukhdasji, page 47 and > 49. > > Ram Ram > > GUIDELINES FOR POSTING A RESPONSE: > > 1. The group is focused on the Holy Gitaji, therefore, only > responses which further clarify the understanding of Gitaji, will be > posted. > > 2. Making reference of Gitaji shloka is highly encouraged - at least > once in the response. Wherever possible, please quote Gitaji or > other scriptures to substantiate your response. > > 3. Please be as concise and to the point as possible, respecting > sadhaka's time. Under no circustance the answer should exceed say > one page at the most (500 words or so). > > 4. Kindly limit personal feelings, opinions, beliefs etc. to the > extent that they further help in understanding the Gita shlokas > > 5. Kindly focus your writing to the subject at hand only. > > 6. Please do not include links to the other sites or other > organizations. > > 7. Complete reproduction of texts from any book is strongly > discouraged, however references may be made of the book or author > (but not links to other sites). > > 8. Kindly do not include your personal information such as phone > number, address etc. > > 9. Please do not address the response to a particular individual > since the message is going to the entire group. > > 10. Due to the large readership, only those responses will be posted > which are in line with the general philosophy of taking Shrimad > Bhagavad Gita as the reference. > > 11. Moderator at his discretion, may modify the posting, if content > is unclear for distribution or not directly related to the question > being asked. > > 12. Please respond taking into consideration the novices, youth, > westerners, non-sectarian audience. Kindly limit the use of only > Sanskrit words, rather provide the English word with Sanskrit > bracketed wherever possible. > > MODERATOR > Ram Ram > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 6, 2008 Report Share Posted July 6, 2008 Hari Om The example of a married girl given by Swamiji Shri Ramsukhdasji Maharaj and quoted by the questioner was an example to explain the power of acceptance. When the girl gets married , she accepts the home of her husband as her real home and suddenly she gets detached from the home where she was born, brought up. This example proves that a person is fully capable in changing his attitude i.e. anything - be it home, or any relationship– and that change comes to her by way of acceptance. Acceptance is made by the " self " – and unless the self changes the same, it remains permanent and unforgettable. As regards the question that how the parents' home becomes unreal for the married girl, the answer is that for that purpose nothing is really belonging in this world to anybody. A person is fully capable in throwing away the attachment with anything or anybody. If he does not do that then also the home or things are detaching constantly from him. So it is not at all a matter of surprise that we have power to detach ourselves. Now coming to the " a man's real home " . No home really belongs to anybody, irrespective of some one being a male or a female. However a man can not whisk away from his duties in life. At the same time time you are supposed to be " aniketah " ( Without attached to home) also as per Gita. ( Ch 12). Now how to live and still be a devotee of God ? Answer is that we should not consider the home to be " ours " from inside of us. From the conduct or worldly point of view you may call your home to be " my home " but actually you should always consider the home to be belonging to God ! It is God's home only in reality. It is not your home. Now live in that home fearlessly, but never consider yourself to be belonging to that home. Serve the home as a representative of God. Similarly consider you children as " children of God " and not yours and then serve them selflessly , do all of your duties towards them and make merry. Same for everything which you have got from this world. If you do that you shall certainly get liberated in this life only and without any further efforts. Accept this fact as a married girl accepts her new home! Jai Shree Krishna Vyas N B ------------------------------ My - Real - Home Real as described in our scriptures is " which exists in past, present and future and is changeless. " Some have described it as Satya. The unreal changes , is not permanent, and is described as Maya or Mithya. My means when I identify my soul with my human body. The human body is not real as it is not permanent. Home is where one lives or resides. My soul " Jiva Atma " in this gross human body can live only on this earth. When it is without the gross body and is in subtle form can live in different spheres or " lokas. " The earth and the " lokas " are not permanent and thus unreal. So there is no such thing as my real home because both my (me) and the home (different lokas including earth) are unreal. The ultimate goal of human soul is to become homeless as the one who is present everywhere cannot have a home. Saying that my real home is where God lives is just an analogy so that we can understand the wisdom given by our scriptures in our own language. We can set some goals for ourselves. God is present every where. When Lord Krishna says , " Come to Me " , He does not mean that He is going to allocate me a home where I can live with Him. He simply say, merge in Me. Manmohan Sehgal The word BRIJ has a meaning that 'where He is, that is His residence'. In the entire Bhagwat Gita, where ever it says Brij, it means 'be at home'. For example, " Sarva Dharman Paritzye, Maam Ekam Sharnam Vraj " . This means " rise above all forms of the dharma, and be at home with Me " . In Rajasthan, this is common practice to ask a guest to 'stay' as 'Biraajo' i.e., be at home. If one is not at home where ever he is, it is big problem. Normally, people who live in virtual world are not so much careful of the physical world, and consider every where his/her home. Bhagwat Gita is virtual home of every meditator and therefore, he is at home wherever he is. Be it airport, railway station, or own home or home of others. The word virtual in latin means, 'not imaginary' but veritas or 'truth.' regards K G (Krishna Gopal) ------------------------------ Dear Sadhak, The main message behind this example of a married woman is----if we consider something or someone as MINE, we attached to it automatically. We can understand this MINENESS with a simple example -If I consider this car mine I take good care of it and a slightest scratch on it trouble me. There are so many cars on the road, but I do not care about them as much as I care for : " MY CAR " . Similaraly when we accept that God and only God is mine, then we build a concious relation with God or the Supreme or the universal conciousness and secret of Bhakti, Gyaan and Karma yoga starts revealing to us automatically. Because of this mineness towards physical forms Arjuna's mind became so unstable in the battlefield. Gita-Chapter 1 " Shishyaasteham shaadhi maa twam prapnnam " " I am yr disciple, teach me " Gita chapter 2:7 here Arjuna established a Guru-shishya(Teacher-student) relationship with Krishna. And soon after accepting this relationship with Krishna, the Supreme, the Real, all his delusions, confusions started dissolving. He got all the answers, all secrets of yoga and much more. So please accept that only God is mine and I am God's. This is the ONLY REAL relation exists. With lots of love, A sadhika Sadhna Karigar -------------------------------- ------------------------------- , " sadhak_insight " <sadhak_insight wrote: > > Lets define real first. > > Real thing is which exists forever. Which is available to all > equally. Which exists everywhere. Which is accesible to everyone. > You cant allow everybody to live in your home. If it does not meet > the above criteria, it is not real, it will not exist forever, nor > did it ever exist since the beginning. > > You can feel AT HOME at your place but not at others place. Even > when you are at your home and someone visits your home you don't > feel as much at ease, as you feel when you are by yourself, alone. > Therefore your, mine, his, her are unreal titles. > > Lets think beyond this. Real is the feeling that goes beyond time, > place, situation, incidents, and so on. > > Contemplate well on this. > Hope this helps. > Always at thy lotus feet. > Raja Gurdasani > ------------------------------ > > Dear Sadak, > > There is an example: One of the 12 Vishivites Saint Nammalvar sang, " > Unnum Sorum Parugum Neerum Ellame Kannanuke " . Means food I eat, > water I drink all are for Kannan (Sri Krishna). This saint at tender > age crawled and sat in hole of Aswatham tree for years. He never > spoke to anyone until Madhurakavi Alwar (another Vaishavite Saint) > came and asked him a question. > There is only one home to realize is SR VAIKUNTAM (God's place of > Abode). > > B.Sathyanarayan > ------------------------------- > I don't understand how answer to this will help in one's spiritual > practice (Sadhana)? > > A.H.Dalmia , " sadhak_insight " > <sadhak_insight@> wrote: > > > > But please also explain how a man should feel about his real home? > > because he probably does not connect to his wife, the way wife > does. > > How does he feel about the real home? Is there any instance (as you > > have given in case of woman) by which man can be made to understand > > about their real home? we are also failing to understand why a > woman > > does not find her mother's place as her real home? The parent who > > had brought her up, taken care of her, how does it become > > her " unreal " home? > > > > Where in Gita verses does it drive this point, so that we may > > understand our real home (moderator addition). > > > > ADMAG CALCUTTA > > > > > > :Shree Hari: > > > > 9th August, 2007, Thursday > > Sravana Krishna Ekadashi, Vikram Samvat 2064, Guruvar > > > > A married woman after few days of visiting her parent's home says > to > > her mother that she must return back to her own home. She is > worried > > about her husband's well-being and his daily meals. Inspite of > > staying at her mother's house, her worries remain connected with > her > > own home, because deep within she understands that she does not > > belong at her mother's home. Similarly a devotee (who has taken > > refuge in God), even though he lives in this world, he never > forgets > > that he belongs to God. Rather he understands that - " This world is > > not mine; Only God is mine. " This is " karan nirpeksh saadhan " > > > > Just like the married woman accepts that she belongs to her > husband, > > so does a devotee accept that He belongs to God. Just like the > > devout wife, when she accepts the relationship with her husband, > she > > does not have to do anything special to accept and believe this, > and > > there after for the rest of her life all the work that she does, > she > > does for her husband, including cooking, bathing, dressing up, > > shopping, or whatever it be. She also wears a bindi for her > husband. > > Everything is as a result of the relationship with her husband. > > Similarly, the devotee on accepting that he belongs to God, does > not > > do anything special, but thereafter for the rest of his life, he is > > doing God's work. All work whether worldly or spiritual is all work > > that is to be done for God. > > > > In this spiritual practice, the sense of mine-ness changes, it > > transforms. Previously the individual considered himself to be of > > this world. When his ego, his sense of mine-ness changed, his > belief > > changed to " I belong to God " . Before he believed that he was a > > Brahmin, a Kshatriya, etc. but this belief changed. He believes He > > is neither a Brahmin, nor a Kshatriya, nor a celibate, nor an > > ascetic, nor a householder, nor a retiree, nor a sanyasi, nor a > > renunciate. Rather He is a servant of the servant of the servant of > > the lotus feet of the Lord (Gopi's Shyamsunder) , the One who is > > eternally blissful, in the ever-bubbling ocean of nectar. > > > > From " Jit Dekhu Tit Tu " in Hindi by Swami Ramsukhdasji, page 47 and > > 49. > > > > Ram Ram > > > > GUIDELINES FOR POSTING A RESPONSE: > > > > 1. The group is focused on the Holy Gitaji, therefore, only > > responses which further clarify the understanding of Gitaji, will > be > > posted. > > > > 2. Making reference of Gitaji shloka is highly encouraged - at > least > > once in the response. Wherever possible, please quote Gitaji or > > other scriptures to substantiate your response. > > > > 3. Please be as concise and to the point as possible, respecting > > sadhaka's time. Under no circustance the answer should exceed say > > one page at the most (500 words or so). > > > > 4. Kindly limit personal feelings, opinions, beliefs etc. to the > > extent that they further help in understanding the Gita shlokas > > > > 5. Kindly focus your writing to the subject at hand only. > > > > 6. Please do not include links to the other sites or other > > organizations. > > > > 7. Complete reproduction of texts from any book is strongly > > discouraged, however references may be made of the book or author > > (but not links to other sites). > > > > 8. Kindly do not include your personal information such as phone > > number, address etc. > > > > 9. Please do not address the response to a particular individual > > since the message is going to the entire group. > > > > 10. Due to the large readership, only those responses will be > posted > > which are in line with the general philosophy of taking Shrimad > > Bhagavad Gita as the reference. > > > > 11. Moderator at his discretion, may modify the posting, if content > > is unclear for distribution or not directly related to the question > > being asked. > > > > 12. Please respond taking into consideration the novices, youth, > > westerners, non-sectarian audience. Kindly limit the use of only > > Sanskrit words, rather provide the English word with Sanskrit > > bracketed wherever possible. > > > > MODERATOR > > Ram Ram > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2008 Report Share Posted July 18, 2008 Vyas ji has rightly identified the word 'aniket' which means not any particular house. 'Vasa' also means accomodaton and this term is usually exampled as cloth or house or body where Soul (Atman) dwells. 'Brij' is staying without attachment and without unattachment. Sri Krishna is 'Brij Wasi' which means every where is his home. A girl after marriage accepting new home as her home, a saint acceptig daan or a person who built many houses in different cities .... are some of the most practical example of 'aniket'. This word is the most touching. Regards K G (Krishna Gopal) --- , " sadhak_insight " <sadhak_insight wrote: > > But please also explain how a man should feel about his real home? > because he probably does not connect to his wife, the way wife does. > How does he feel about the real home? Is there any instance (as you > have given in case of woman) by which man can be made to understand > about their real home? we are also failing to understand why a woman > does not find her mother's place as her real home? The parent who > had brought her up, taken care of her, how does it become > her " unreal " home? > > Where in Gita verses does it drive this point, so that we may > understand our real home (moderator addition). > > ADMAG CALCUTTA > > > :Shree Hari: > > 9th August, 2007, Thursday > Sravana Krishna Ekadashi, Vikram Samvat 2064, Guruvar > > A married woman after few days of visiting her parent's home says to > her mother that she must return back to her own home. She is worried > about her husband's well-being and his daily meals. Inspite of > staying at her mother's house, her worries remain connected with her > own home, because deep within she understands that she does not > belong at her mother's home. Similarly a devotee (who has taken > refuge in God), even though he lives in this world, he never forgets > that he belongs to God. Rather he understands that - " This world is > not mine; Only God is mine. " This is " karan nirpeksh saadhan " > > Just like the married woman accepts that she belongs to her husband, > so does a devotee accept that He belongs to God. Just like the > devout wife, when she accepts the relationship with her husband, she > does not have to do anything special to accept and believe this, and > there after for the rest of her life all the work that she does, she > does for her husband, including cooking, bathing, dressing up, > shopping, or whatever it be. She also wears a bindi for her husband. > Everything is as a result of the relationship with her husband. > Similarly, the devotee on accepting that he belongs to God, does not > do anything special, but thereafter for the rest of his life, he is > doing God's work. All work whether worldly or spiritual is all work > that is to be done for God. > > In this spiritual practice, the sense of mine-ness changes, it > transforms. Previously the individual considered himself to be of > this world. When his ego, his sense of mine-ness changed, his belief > changed to " I belong to God " . Before he believed that he was a > Brahmin, a Kshatriya, etc. but this belief changed. He believes He > is neither a Brahmin, nor a Kshatriya, nor a celibate, nor an > ascetic, nor a householder, nor a retiree, nor a sanyasi, nor a > renunciate. Rather He is a servant of the servant of the servant of > the lotus feet of the Lord (Gopi's Shyamsunder) , the One who is > eternally blissful, in the ever-bubbling ocean of nectar. > > From " Jit Dekhu Tit Tu " in Hindi by Swami Ramsukhdasji, page 47 and > 49. > > Ram Ram > > GUIDELINES FOR POSTING A RESPONSE: > > 1. The group is focused on the Holy Gitaji, therefore, only > responses which further clarify the understanding of Gitaji, will be > posted. > > 2. Making reference of Gitaji shloka is highly encouraged - at least > once in the response. Wherever possible, please quote Gitaji or > other scriptures to substantiate your response. > > 3. Please be as concise and to the point as possible, respecting > sadhaka's time. Under no circustance the answer should exceed say > one page at the most (500 words or so). > > 4. Kindly limit personal feelings, opinions, beliefs etc. to the > extent that they further help in understanding the Gita shlokas > > 5. Kindly focus your writing to the subject at hand only. > > 6. Please do not include links to the other sites or other > organizations. > > 7. Complete reproduction of texts from any book is strongly > discouraged, however references may be made of the book or author > (but not links to other sites). > > 8. Kindly do not include your personal information such as phone > number, address etc. > > 9. Please do not address the response to a particular individual > since the message is going to the entire group. > > 10. Due to the large readership, only those responses will be posted > which are in line with the general philosophy of taking Shrimad > Bhagavad Gita as the reference. > > 11. Moderator at his discretion, may modify the posting, if content > is unclear for distribution or not directly related to the question > being asked. > > 12. Please respond taking into consideration the novices, youth, > westerners, non-sectarian audience. Kindly limit the use of only > Sanskrit words, rather provide the English word with Sanskrit > bracketed wherever possible. > > MODERATOR > Ram Ram > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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