Does Humility Exist ? Why is humility important?

[Guest guest]

My question is one that I have wondered since childhood, when I

heard an adult say, " There's no such think as humility. " Does it

truly exist, and if so, what is it for? Does not one who is

considering oneself to be humble immediately suffer from pride of " I

have achieved " ?

 

Is humility addressed in Gita? In what context ? (added by moderator)

 

Mahalaksmi dasi

--------------------------

 

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Ram Ram

[Guest guest]

QUESTION:

 

My question is one that I have wondered since childhood, when I

heard an adult say, " There's no such think as humility. " Does it

truly exist, and if so, what is it for? Does not one who is

considering oneself to be humble immediately suffer from pride of " I

have achieved " ?

 

Is humility addressed in Gita? In what context ? (added by moderator)

 

Mahalaksmi dasi

 

Ram Ram

Humility is connected with EGO, if we do " complete surrender " to

Krishna then we don't have any ego. Whatever happens is Krishna's

wish.

 

So we are not the receiver of any thing, it's Krishna.

 

Goenka

 

--

 

Here's a thought: at the start of the journey, bringing humility in

one's life may indeed lead to feelings of pride as stated, but with

time and sustained humility, that sense of pride and ego goes. Why?

Because humility becomes now a part of your nature rather than

something alien as novel when the the journey began. And with

humility comes compassion; with compassion, Love; with Love,

Oneness; and the experience of Oneness implies the death of the ego.

 

Vis-a-vis the Gita speaking of humility, I don't recall having seen

direct reference per se, but certainly isn't the idea that we are

not the agent but 1) the real Agent is the divine, 2) all that takes

place is through the workings of the three gunas? So any sense of

doership - I did this, I did that - disappears. This is humility;

knowing that you are not the doer but part of the Order (rta) and

your actions are a product of your prarabdha karma (the fruit of

previous lives' karma which are to manifest in this one).

 

Parenthetically, when one studies jyotisha (Vedic astrology) which

gives an insight into your prarabhdha karma, this sense of

detachment and absence of doership fades away because you realise

that you are simply the medium through which the grahas (planetary

archetypes) bestow the fruits of your karma. The gods are in

control, not you, and through that, you very much begin to become a

karmayogi.

 

Lastly, an example from Krshna bhakta Rahim. He'd give daan

(charity) but would never look at the person out of humility. Why?

To him, the one giving was Someone else, not him, he was just a

medium.

 

Rishi Handa

--------------------------------

 

-Shree Hari-

 

Of course humility exists. Now some people of great learning and

intellect can be very humble, it is their personality, they do not see

themselves special or greater than the rest of humanity.

Others come to humility through life's lessons, spiritual progress and so on.

 

Ref BG 3:42. They say that the senses are superior to the body;

superior to the senses is the mind; superior to the mind is the

intellect; and one who is superior even to the intellect is he-the

Self.

 

I also believe that there is a link between compassion and humility.

 

A true person of humility, could never say, " I have achieved " , it a

mutually exclusive situation.

 

My knowledge of the Sacred Gita is small, but approaching your

question from WHO is truly great? And who is not?

Chapter 10 is good to read, Lord Krishna are of those things, are we?

Understanding these things, how can any person be any thing but

humble?

 

You asked'.....and if so, what is it for?' Look at the answer this

way, without humility one is turning away from the Beloved Lord.

 

Dwell on the paste below:

10:18. Tell me again in detail, Krishna, of your yogic power and

glory; for I am not satisfied with what I have heard of your

life-giving and nectar-like speech!

 

With Respect and Divine Love,

 

Mike

(Mike Keenor)

--------------------------------

Humility is quite clearly represented in the way Lord Ram led his

life. This is not some thing you can work on developing to

perfection. Humility is an inherent sense of knowledge that our very

existence is dependent on factors which our not in our control.

There is the flow of Higher Guidance and Mediation for all learning

and performance of tasks. With this knowledge, how can there be a

sense of I?

 

Pratima Rajan

 

--------------------------------

Dear Sadhakas, Namaste!

 

Mahalakshmiji, from your posts, I see flow of humility in your

expression. As I understand, body-mind is just an instrument to display

qualities which bring peace, love, joys, compassion, and other positive aspects

to one and to all one meets.

 

Humility cannot be cultivated as an individual, rather it descends

naturally when one matures in devotion, and/or selfless karmas,

and/or self-knowledge paths as shown in Gita by Krishnaji.

It is possible to think oneself humble by putting up a show of

humility to command respect, power, fame from people. It shows up in

the words of such a one, not in conduct. True humility is giving up

the sense of " me " altogether in thoughts, words, and deeds, a hard

thing to do specially in spiritual pursuits where one gets so much

limelight, respectability and power. Thus a false sense of " me "

develops and feeds on itself.

 

This is commonly known as Ego. Ego is not generally understood as

this sense of " me " or a sense of separateness due to indetification

with body, and hence it continues in disguise of a person who

attempts to be humble! A person is more of a problem than person

trying to be humble. Here person is the " sense of " me " .

This sense of " me " can go only when one realizes that this sense

itself is false! Then humility takes birth in such a wise one! One

knows the truth that in humility, there is no one who is humble, only

humility! God becomes charioteer of his/her life guiding every step

of the way!

Namaskaras.........Pratap

(Pratap Bhatt)

--------------------------------

 

Humility is a matter of higher virtues and as Arjun was elevated, he

realized compassion even in condition of war.

 

Best regards

K G Misra

 

--

 

 

 

 

, " sadhak_insight "

<sadhak_insight wrote:

>

> My question is one that I have wondered since childhood, when I

> heard an adult say, " There's no such think as humility. " Does it

> truly exist, and if so, what is it for? Does not one who is

> considering oneself to be humble immediately suffer from pride of " I

> have achieved " ?

>

> Is humility addressed in Gita? In what context ? (added by

moderator)

>

> Mahalaksmi dasi

> --------------------------

>

> GUIDELINES FOR POSTING A RESPONSE:

>

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>

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>

> 3. Please be as concise and to the point as possible, respecting

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> 4. Kindly limit personal feelings, opinions, beliefs etc. to the

> extent that they further help in understanding the Gita shlokas

>

> 5. Kindly focus your writing to the subject at hand only.

>

> 6. Please do not include links to the other sites or other

> organizations.

>

> 7. Complete reproduction of texts from any book is strongly

> discouraged, however references may be made of the book or author

> (but not links to other sites).

>

> 8. Kindly do not include your personal information such as phone

> number, address etc.

>

> 9. Please do not address the response to a particular individual

> since the message is going to the entire group.

>

> 10. Due to the large readership, only those responses will be posted

> which are in line with the general philosophy of taking Shrimad

> Bhagavad Gita as the reference.

>

> 11. Moderator at his discretion, may modify the posting, if content

> is unclear for distribution or not directly related to the question

> being asked.

>

> 12. Please respond taking into consideration the novices, youth,

> westerners, non-sectarian audience. Kindly limit the use of only

> Sanskrit words, rather provide the English word with Sanskrit

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>

> 13. Any personal remarks over the knowledge of any sadhak or about

> the

> stage at which any sadhak is standing in his quest / sadhna /

> spiritual journey - must not be included in your posting.''

>

> 14. There should not be any sarcasm towards fellow sadhaks in this

> spiritual learning and sharing.

>

>

> MODERATOR

> Ram Ram

>

[Guest guest]

QUESTION:

 

My question is one that I have wondered since childhood, when I

heard an adult say, " There's no such think as humility. " Does it

truly exist, and if so, what is it for? Does not one who is

considering oneself to be humble immediately suffer from pride of " I

have achieved " ?

 

Is humility addressed in Gita? In what context ? (added by moderator)

 

Mahalaksmi dasi

 

-----------------------------

Hari Om

 

Humility has been given as virtue or characteristics of a sadhak

(spiritual aspirant) in Gita. The term " mardavam " in Gita 16:2

means " softness " . This is a divine property. An opposite of humility

has been described in Gita as " paurushyam " - toughness, rigidity,

arrogance as a demonaic property (Gita 16:4).

 

No divine property in a person can ever generate pride - if it is

existing really in him.. Pride generates only out of sense of

deficiency - for concealing deficiency existing deep within. Even

otherwise when the property has only manifested in you, and in

reality it is the property of divine only - where is the question of

pride? The moment pride comes, the divinity goes ! Pride is demonaic

property (Gita 16:4). If humility is there, pride can't be there, if

pride is there, humility can't be there !

 

Jai Shree Krishna

 

Vyas N B

 

 

-----------------------------

Mind feels insecure for strange reasons and gets into such thinking

process.

 

Humility is for all.............It is the only way to peace and

happiness....

Experience it..........

 

Sushil Jain

-

 

The whole of Bhagavad Gita's message is around humility only. I

submit a few words from my memory regarding humility in Gita.

 

'Ahankara vimudhatma kartahamiamanyate'

Only the ignorant feels that I am the doer of things.

If this 'I am doer' vanishes, Humility blooms.

 

'Dayabhuteshvalolatvam mardavam hreerachapalam'

Thse are the characteristics of a person with humility.

 

'Dambhodarpobhmanschakrodhahaparushyamevacha'

By deleting these attitudes, one becomes Human with humility.

 

Bhagavad Gita is about 'Humility' itself. Humility is important

because humility makes you Human first and then transforms you into

Divine.

 

golian janeyulu

-------------------------------

 

> Ram Ram

> Humility is connected with EGO, if we do " complete surrender " to

> Krishna then we don't have any ego. Whatever happens is Krishna's

> wish.

>

> So we are not the receiver of any thing, it's Krishna.

>

> Goenka

>

> --

>

> Here's a thought: at the start of the journey, bringing humility in

> one's life may indeed lead to feelings of pride as stated, but with

> time and sustained humility, that sense of pride and ego goes. Why?

> Because humility becomes now a part of your nature rather than

> something alien as novel when the the journey began. And with

> humility comes compassion; with compassion, Love; with Love,

> Oneness; and the experience of Oneness implies the death of the ego.

>

> Vis-a-vis the Gita speaking of humility, I don't recall having seen

> direct reference per se, but certainly isn't the idea that we are

> not the agent but 1) the real Agent is the divine, 2) all that takes

> place is through the workings of the three gunas? So any sense of

> doership - I did this, I did that - disappears. This is humility;

> knowing that you are not the doer but part of the Order (rta) and

> your actions are a product of your prarabdha karma (the fruit of

> previous lives' karma which are to manifest in this one).

>

> Parenthetically, when one studies jyotisha (Vedic astrology) which

> gives an insight into your prarabhdha karma, this sense of

> detachment and absence of doership fades away because you realise

> that you are simply the medium through which the grahas (planetary

> archetypes) bestow the fruits of your karma. The gods are in

> control, not you, and through that, you very much begin to become a

> karmayogi.

>

> Lastly, an example from Krshna bhakta Rahim. He'd give daan

> (charity) but would never look at the person out of humility. Why?

> To him, the one giving was Someone else, not him, he was just a

> medium.

>

> Rishi Handa

> --------------------------------

>

> -Shree Hari-

>

> Of course humility exists. Now some people of great learning and

> intellect can be very humble, it is their personality, they do not

see themselves special or greater than the rest of humanity.

> Others come to humility through life's lessons, spiritual progress

and so on.

>

> Ref BG 3:42. They say that the senses are superior to the body;

> superior to the senses is the mind; superior to the mind is the

> intellect; and one who is superior even to the intellect is he-the

> Self.

>

> I also believe that there is a link between compassion and humility.

>

> A true person of humility, could never say, " I have achieved " , it a

> mutually exclusive situation.

>

> My knowledge of the Sacred Gita is small, but approaching your

> question from WHO is truly great? And who is not?

> Chapter 10 is good to read, Lord Krishna are of those things, are

we?

> Understanding these things, how can any person be any thing but

> humble?

>

> You asked'.....and if so, what is it for?' Look at the answer this

> way, without humility one is turning away from the Beloved Lord.

>

> Dwell on the paste below:

> 10:18. Tell me again in detail, Krishna, of your yogic power and

> glory; for I am not satisfied with what I have heard of your

> life-giving and nectar-like speech!

>

> With Respect and Divine Love,

>

> Mike

> (Mike Keenor)

> --------------------------------

> Humility is quite clearly represented in the way Lord Ram led his

> life. This is not some thing you can work on developing to

> perfection. Humility is an inherent sense of knowledge that our very

> existence is dependent on factors which our not in our control.

> There is the flow of Higher Guidance and Mediation for all learning

> and performance of tasks. With this knowledge, how can there be a

> sense of I?

>

> Pratima Rajan

>

> --------------------------------

> Dear Sadhakas, Namaste!

>

> Mahalakshmiji, from your posts, I see flow of humility in your

> expression. As I understand, body-mind is just an instrument to

display qualities which bring peace, love, joys, compassion, and

other positive aspects to one and to all one meets.

>

> Humility cannot be cultivated as an individual, rather it descends

> naturally when one matures in devotion, and/or selfless karmas,

> and/or self-knowledge paths as shown in Gita by Krishnaji.

> It is possible to think oneself humble by putting up a show of

> humility to command respect, power, fame from people. It shows up in

> the words of such a one, not in conduct. True humility is giving up

> the sense of " me " altogether in thoughts, words, and deeds, a hard

> thing to do specially in spiritual pursuits where one gets so much

> limelight, respectability and power. Thus a false sense of " me "

> develops and feeds on itself.

>

> This is commonly known as Ego. Ego is not generally understood as

> this sense of " me " or a sense of separateness due to indetification

> with body, and hence it continues in disguise of a person who

> attempts to be humble! A person is more of a problem than person

> trying to be humble. Here person is the " sense of " me " .

> This sense of " me " can go only when one realizes that this sense

> itself is false! Then humility takes birth in such a wise one! One

> knows the truth that in humility, there is no one who is humble,

only

> humility! God becomes charioteer of his/her life guiding every step

> of the way!

> Namaskaras.........Pratap

> (Pratap Bhatt)

> --------------------------------

>

> Humility is a matter of higher virtues and as Arjun was elevated, he

> realized compassion even in condition of war.

>

> Best regards

> K G Misra

>

> --

>

>

>

>

> , " sadhak_insight "

> <sadhak_insight@> wrote:

> >

> > My question is one that I have wondered since childhood, when I

> > heard an adult say, " There's no such think as humility. " Does it

> > truly exist, and if so, what is it for? Does not one who is

> > considering oneself to be humble immediately suffer from pride

of " I

> > have achieved " ?

> >

> > Is humility addressed in Gita? In what context ? (added by

> moderator)

> >

> > Mahalaksmi dasi

> > --------------------------

> >

> > GUIDELINES FOR POSTING A RESPONSE:

> >

> > 1. The group is focused on the Holy Gitaji, therefore, only

> > responses which further clarify the understanding of Gitaji, will

be

> > posted.

> >

> > 2. Making reference of Gitaji shloka is highly encouraged - at

least

> > once in the response. Wherever possible, please quote Gitaji or

> > other scriptures to substantiate your response.

> >

> > 3. Please be as concise and to the point as possible, respecting

> > sadhaka's time. Under no circustance the answer should exceed say

> > one (book) page at the most (500 words or so) 3-4 paragraphs.

> >

> > 4. Kindly limit personal feelings, opinions, beliefs etc. to the

> > extent that they further help in understanding the Gita shlokas

> >

> > 5. Kindly focus your writing to the subject at hand only.

> >

> > 6. Please do not include links to the other sites or other

> > organizations.

> >

> > 7. Complete reproduction of texts from any book is strongly

> > discouraged, however references may be made of the book or author

> > (but not links to other sites).

> >

> > 8. Kindly do not include your personal information such as phone

> > number, address etc.

> >

> > 9. Please do not address the response to a particular individual

> > since the message is going to the entire group.

> >

> > 10. Due to the large readership, only those responses will be

posted

> > which are in line with the general philosophy of taking Shrimad

> > Bhagavad Gita as the reference.

> >

> > 11. Moderator at his discretion, may modify the posting, if

content

> > is unclear for distribution or not directly related to the

question

> > being asked.

> >

> > 12. Please respond taking into consideration the novices, youth,

> > westerners, non-sectarian audience. Kindly limit the use of only

> > Sanskrit words, rather provide the English word with Sanskrit

> > bracketed wherever possible.

> >

> > 13. Any personal remarks over the knowledge of any sadhak or about

> > the

> > stage at which any sadhak is standing in his quest / sadhna /

> > spiritual journey - must not be included in your posting.''

> >

> > 14. There should not be any sarcasm towards fellow sadhaks in this

> > spiritual learning and sharing.

> >

> >

> > MODERATOR

> > Ram Ram

> >

>

[Guest guest]

QUESTION: Does humility truly exist, and if so, what is it for? Does

not he who is considering himself to be humble, immediately suffer

from pride of " I have achieved " ?

Is humility addressed in Gita? In what context ? (added by moderator)

Mahalaksmi dasi

-------------------------------

Humility is an expression of absolute freedom.

 

The ego is provided to us to carry on the survival program as a

living being. Somehow, we end up promoting this ego escalating self-

importance and self-significance to create an imaginary self-

centered alter-world. To protect its imaginary empire of self-

promoting notions, the ego ends up developing crave, habit,

dependence and addiction on objective, relational and emotional

notions it acquires from its circumstantial interactions with the

physical world loosing its freedom completely. The individual being

absolutely dependent on the ego to express oneself also ends up

suffering bondage with the notional world created in one's

perception.

 

Humility is the quality that reveals the fact that the ego is

suffering and also reveals the root causes for the same in its

bondage. Humility is the appliance through which the ego

acknowledges itself as just another element of life designed to

carry out its responsibilities as a coordinator of the other organic

elements in an individual system. Humility is the path through which

the ego treads back to its natural presence in an individual system.

The neutral ego in an individual system releases the individual from

the bondage as well. Therefore, humility is a very important element

in one's spiritual journey to seek the freedom within.

 

Humility is an antidote developed by a spiritually oriented ego

which is eager to correct itself. Therefore, its existence is

limited to the ego's existence – it is as real as the ego.

 

Respects.

 

Naga Narayana

>

> -----------------------------

> Hari Om

>

> Humility has been given as virtue or characteristics of a sadhak

> (spiritual aspirant) in Gita. The term " mardavam " in Gita 16:2

> means " softness " . This is a divine property. An opposite of

humility

> has been described in Gita as " paurushyam " - toughness, rigidity,

> arrogance as a demonaic property (Gita 16:4).

>

> No divine property in a person can ever generate pride - if it is

> existing really in him.. Pride generates only out of sense of

> deficiency - for concealing deficiency existing deep within. Even

> otherwise when the property has only manifested in you, and in

> reality it is the property of divine only - where is the question

of

> pride? The moment pride comes, the divinity goes ! Pride is

demonaic

> property (Gita 16:4). If humility is there, pride can't be there,

if

> pride is there, humility can't be there !

>

> Jai Shree Krishna

>

> Vyas N B

>

>

> -----------------------------

> Mind feels insecure for strange reasons and gets into such

thinking

> process.

>

> Humility is for all.............It is the only way to peace and

> happiness....

> Experience it..........

>

> Sushil Jain

> -

>

> The whole of Bhagavad Gita's message is around humility only. I

> submit a few words from my memory regarding humility in Gita.

>

> 'Ahankara vimudhatma kartahamiamanyate'

> Only the ignorant feels that I am the doer of things.

> If this 'I am doer' vanishes, Humility blooms.

>

> 'Dayabhuteshvalolatvam mardavam hreerachapalam'

> Thse are the characteristics of a person with humility.

>

> 'Dambhodarpobhmanschakrodhahaparushyamevacha'

> By deleting these attitudes, one becomes Human with humility.

>

> Bhagavad Gita is about 'Humility' itself. Humility is important

> because humility makes you Human first and then transforms you

into

> Divine.

>

> golian janeyulu

> -------------------------------

>

> > Ram Ram

> > Humility is connected with EGO, if we do " complete surrender " to

> > Krishna then we don't have any ego. Whatever happens is Krishna's

> > wish.

> >

> > So we are not the receiver of any thing, it's Krishna.

> >

> > Goenka

> >

> > --------------------------------

---

> >

> > Here's a thought: at the start of the journey, bringing humility

in

> > one's life may indeed lead to feelings of pride as stated, but

with

> > time and sustained humility, that sense of pride and ego goes.

Why?

> > Because humility becomes now a part of your nature rather than

> > something alien as novel when the the journey began. And with

> > humility comes compassion; with compassion, Love; with Love,

> > Oneness; and the experience of Oneness implies the death of the

ego.

> >

> > Vis-a-vis the Gita speaking of humility, I don't recall having

seen

> > direct reference per se, but certainly isn't the idea that we are

> > not the agent but 1) the real Agent is the divine, 2) all that

takes

> > place is through the workings of the three gunas? So any sense of

> > doership - I did this, I did that - disappears. This is humility;

> > knowing that you are not the doer but part of the Order (rta) and

> > your actions are a product of your prarabdha karma (the fruit of

> > previous lives' karma which are to manifest in this one).

> >

> > Parenthetically, when one studies jyotisha (Vedic astrology)

which

> > gives an insight into your prarabhdha karma, this sense of

> > detachment and absence of doership fades away because you realise

> > that you are simply the medium through which the grahas

(planetary

> > archetypes) bestow the fruits of your karma. The gods are in

> > control, not you, and through that, you very much begin to

become a

> > karmayogi.

> >

> > Lastly, an example from Krshna bhakta Rahim. He'd give daan

> > (charity) but would never look at the person out of humility.

Why?

> > To him, the one giving was Someone else, not him, he was just a

> > medium.

> >

> > Rishi Handa

> > --------------------------------

> >

> > -Shree Hari-

> >

> > Of course humility exists. Now some people of great learning and

> > intellect can be very humble, it is their personality, they do

not

> see themselves special or greater than the rest of humanity.

> > Others come to humility through life's lessons, spiritual

progress

> and so on.

> >

> > Ref BG 3:42. They say that the senses are superior to the body;

> > superior to the senses is the mind; superior to the mind is the

> > intellect; and one who is superior even to the intellect is he-

the

> > Self.

> >

> > I also believe that there is a link between compassion and

humility.

> >

> > A true person of humility, could never say, " I have achieved " ,

it a

> > mutually exclusive situation.

> >

> > My knowledge of the Sacred Gita is small, but approaching your

> > question from WHO is truly great? And who is not?

> > Chapter 10 is good to read, Lord Krishna are of those things,

are

> we?

> > Understanding these things, how can any person be any thing but

> > humble?

> >

> > You asked'.....and if so, what is it for?' Look at the answer

this

> > way, without humility one is turning away from the Beloved Lord.

> >

> > Dwell on the paste below:

> > 10:18. Tell me again in detail, Krishna, of your yogic power and

> > glory; for I am not satisfied with what I have heard of your

> > life-giving and nectar-like speech!

> >

> > With Respect and Divine Love,

> >

> > Mike

> > (Mike Keenor)

> > --------------------------------

> > Humility is quite clearly represented in the way Lord Ram led his

> > life. This is not some thing you can work on developing to

> > perfection. Humility is an inherent sense of knowledge that our

very

> > existence is dependent on factors which our not in our control.

> > There is the flow of Higher Guidance and Mediation for all

learning

> > and performance of tasks. With this knowledge, how can there be a

> > sense of I?

> >

> > Pratima Rajan

> >

> > --------------------------------

> > Dear Sadhakas, Namaste!

> >

> > Mahalakshmiji, from your posts, I see flow of humility in your

> > expression. As I understand, body-mind is just an instrument to

> display qualities which bring peace, love, joys, compassion, and

> other positive aspects to one and to all one meets.

> >

> > Humility cannot be cultivated as an individual, rather it

descends

> > naturally when one matures in devotion, and/or selfless karmas,

> > and/or self-knowledge paths as shown in Gita by Krishnaji.

> > It is possible to think oneself humble by putting up a show of

> > humility to command respect, power, fame from people. It shows

up in

> > the words of such a one, not in conduct. True humility is

giving up

> > the sense of " me " altogether in thoughts, words, and deeds, a

hard

> > thing to do specially in spiritual pursuits where one gets so

much

> > limelight, respectability and power. Thus a false sense of " me "

> > develops and feeds on itself.

> >

> > This is commonly known as Ego. Ego is not generally understood as

> > this sense of " me " or a sense of separateness due to

indetification

> > with body, and hence it continues in disguise of a person who

> > attempts to be humble! A person is more of a problem than person

> > trying to be humble. Here person is the " sense of " me " .

> > This sense of " me " can go only when one realizes that this sense

> > itself is false! Then humility takes birth in such a wise one!

One

> > knows the truth that in humility, there is no one who is humble,

> only

> > humility! God becomes charioteer of his/her life guiding every

step

> > of the way!

> > Namaskaras.........Pratap

> > (Pratap Bhatt)

> > --------------------------------

> >

> > Humility is a matter of higher virtues and as Arjun was

elevated, he

> > realized compassion even in condition of war.

> >

> > Best regards

> > K G Misra

> >

> > --------------------------------

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> >

> >

> >

> >

> > , " sadhak_insight "

> > <sadhak_insight@> wrote:

> > >

> > > My question is one that I have wondered since childhood, when I

> > > heard an adult say, " There's no such think as humility. " Does

it

> > > truly exist, and if so, what is it for? Does not one who is

> > > considering oneself to be humble immediately suffer from pride

> of " I

> > > have achieved " ?

> > >

> > > Is humility addressed in Gita? In what context ? (added by

> > moderator)

> > >

> > > Mahalaksmi dasi

> > > --------------------------

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