Guest guest Posted September 22, 2008 Report Share Posted September 22, 2008 May I know what makes a man perfect? I was told that experience hardly ever makes a person perfect. Regards H.K. Sudhakara ------------------------------ GUIDELINES FOR POSTING A RESPONSE: 1. The group is focused on the Holy Gitaji, therefore, only responses which further clarify the understanding of Gitaji, will be posted. 2. Making reference of Gitaji shloka is highly encouraged - at least once in the response. Wherever possible, please quote Gitaji or other scriptures to substantiate your response. 3. Please be as concise and to the point as possible, respecting sadhaka's time. Under no circustance the answer should be limited to half a book page, at the most 3-4 paragraphs. 4. Kindly limit personal feelings, opinions, beliefs etc. to the extent that they further help in understanding the Gita shlokas 5. Kindly focus your writing to the subject at hand only. 6. Please do not include links to the other sites or other organizations (we do not have the bandwidth to review links to determine if content is appropriate for distribution). 7. Complete reproduction of texts from any book is strongly discouraged, however partial cut - paste is acceptable and references may be made of the book or author(but not links to other sites). 8. Kindly do not include your personal information such as phone number, address etc. 9. Please use appropriate judgement and only address the response to a particular individual, where it makes sense to do so. 10. Due to the large readership, only those responses will be posted which are in line with the general philosophy of taking Shrimad Bhagavad Gita as the reference. 11. Moderator will reject any content that does not meet guidelines. However, for expediency, moderator at his discretion, may modify / delete portions of the posting for mispelling, wordiness that is irrelevant to the overall core discussion, personal information, opinions / feelings etc. that do not align with guidelines. 12. Please respond taking into consideration the novices, youth, westerners, non-sectarian audience. Kindly limit the use of only Sanskrit words, rather provide the English word with Sanskrit bracketed wherever possible. 13. Any personal remarks over the knowledge of any sadhak or about the stage at which any sadhak is standing in his quest / sadhna / spiritual journey - must not be included in your posting. Also, there should not be any sarcasm towards fellow sadhaks in this spiritual learning and sharing. MODERATOR Ram Ram Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 23, 2008 Report Share Posted September 23, 2008 May I know what makes a man perfect? I was told that experience hardly ever makes a person perfect. Regards H.K. Sudhakara ------------------------------ Hari Om What makes a man perfect? Just as seeking wealth makes a man wealthy or seeking education makes a man educated, similarly, Seeking the perfect makes the man perfect. If you seek perfection , you will become perfect. What is that " perfect " which we should seek? Paramatma is that " perfect " which we should seek ! Seek God Realisation..Another element where perfection lies is " self " - you your " self " ! Seek Self Realisation.. Another element where lies this " perfection " is Equanimity. Seek to become " equanimous " and you shall be perfect- in your conduct, in your karma, in your pursuits, in your life !. Experience is one thing and drawing lessons from your direct experiences and putting them in practice is another thing. If there is a desire in you to become perfect, then there must be an element existing in this universe , which is indeed perfect. It is your direct experience that unless the element to fulfil desire is present, there can not arise desire in you. If you are thirsty, that necessarily implies there is water existing. Hence when there is a desire in you to become perfect that means there is a perfect element existing. That " perfect " element is God / Self /Equanimity. Jai Shree Krishna Vyas N B ------------------------------ Narayan Narayan IN ENGLISH There is no end to worldly enjoyments and sense pleasures for that matter. Giving up desires, and hoarding is best of all. In whom there is equanimity, he alone will be a perfected man. In Gita, samtaah has been spoken of in depth. Keep these two things in mind 1) Serve the world 2) Love God There is nothing more you need to do. Ramchandra IN HINDI Sansaarik bhogo ka aant nahi hein vese hi kamna,sangrah, In sab ka tyag ker ke asang ho jao sab yogo mai samta hi Servsresth hai. jis mai samtaa aagai vahi puran aadmi hogaya (geeta mai samta ki bhahut gahrai se bathai hai. Do bhato ka dhyan rahe 1.sansar ki seva 2.prabhu mai prem Aapko kuch karne ki jarurat nahi hein. (ramchandra) ----------------------------- Ram Ram Only One is perfect and that is Krishna. Except Him everything has some or the other flaws. It's His mercy that He accepts us with those flaws if we surrender to him. Instead of trying to be perfect, we should try to do what Krishna has instructed in Gita. Ashok Goenka -------------------------------- Experience never makes a man perfect; it only guides a man to right path. RK Nair ----------------------------- Dear Sadak, There is a line from ancient scripts, " Pragyanam Bhramam " . Man fully conscience of what he is doing, will do, planning to do is a perfect man. Experience is lesson from mistakes. Experience does not prevent from doing same mistake. But Gyana prevent from doing mistakes. No one on earth said to be perfect. Only GOD is said as " PURUSHOTHAMA " (Perfect) and also said Poornathuvam (Complete perfection) Many saints such as Adi Sankara, Goutham Buddha, Christ, 12 Alwars (Vaishnavites), 63 Nayanmars (Shivites), scroesof bakthas, Brama Gyanies such as Vasister, Viswamithra, Doovasa, saints such as Tapovan Maharaj, Shidhi Sai Baba, Tukaram, Annamaiya, 18 Siddhars all of them have said in one place or other that they had flaws /mistakes as such " Oh Bagavan Karuniya Roopa I have done mistakes knowingly or unknowing, please pardon me " . Example: Most Suprabathams /scripts /slokas end like that. But once a man becomes perfect, he lives no more on this earth. B. Sathyanarayan. ---------------------------- Jai Latiyal IN ENGLISH Instilling good values, makes a man perfect human being. Just like if a child from his very childhood is instilled with pure values, then as he grows up, he will be a perfect man. If you instill knowledge of wealth, then he will become engaged in worldly enjoyments and hoarding, and will waste away this precious human birth. It is only when one becomes a loving devotee of God, that one's life is a success Shivkumar Naravat IN HINDI Sanskar man (aadmi)ko perfact ya insan banata hein Jai se bhache ko aap bhachpan se he sanskar sudh denge tho aage chalkar. Who perfct aadmi banega agar sampati ke bare mai he gyan de ge tho Sansaarik bhog or sangrah mai lag jayega or aapna janam vyarth mai gava Dega. (prabhu ka pyara ho jai,janam shafal ho jayega (shivkumar naravat) ---------------------------- Narayan Narayan IN ENGLISH Narayan Narayan In Gita a very important point has been shared- Equanimity is best of all the Yogas. There is no end to worldly enjoyments. In the endless Universes, and desires are also endless, but giving them up and becoming detached, become desireless. In this world there are two things, Hoarding and taking refuge. He who take refuge in God, becomes a perfect man. Ramchandra IN HINDI Gita mai ek mahatvpuran baat aaei hein(samta)shabi yog mai uttam Hein. Kyoki shansarik bhogo ka aant nahi hein aanant bharmand hein aanant, Kamnaye bhi aanant hein kintu in sab ka tyag karke asang hojao niskam Hojao shansar mai do chije hein sangharash or shamrpan Samrpan jes nai kar diya who shreshth(paripuran man)ho gaya (ramchandra) In Gita a very important point has been shared- Equanimity is best of all the Yogas. There is no end to worldly enjoyments. In the endless Universes, and desires are also endless, but giving them up and becoming detached, become desireless. In this world there are two things, Hoarding and taking refuge. He who take refuge in God, becomes a perfect man. Ramchandra IN HINDI Gita mai ek mahatvpuran baat aaei hein(samta)shabi yog mai uttam Hein. Kyoki shansarik bhogo ka aant nahi hein aanant bharmand hein aanant, Kamnaye bhi aanant hein kintu in sab ka tyag karke asang hojao niskam Hojao shansar mai do chije hein sangharash or shamrpan Samrpan jes nai kar diya who shreshth(paripuran man)ho gaya (ramchandra) ----------------------------- A perfect man realises that everything in this world is an illusion and that the reality can only be seen through meditation. Therefore he acts in such a way so that he is forever saved from the endless cycle of births and deaths. Hari Shanker Deo -------------------------------- GUIDELINES FOR POSTING A RESPONSE: 1. The group is focused on the Holy Gitaji, therefore, only responses which further clarify the understanding of Gitaji, will be posted. 2. Making reference of Gitaji shloka is highly encouraged - at least once in the response. 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Guest guest Posted September 24, 2008 Report Share Posted September 24, 2008 May I know what makes a man perfect? I was told that experience hardly ever makes a person perfect. Regards H.K. Sudhakara ------------------------------ NEW POSTING In English Ma'sn perfection is through his own effort or through the grace of a great soul, or through the grace of God. Ramchandra In Hindi Manushya ka kalyan aapne purusharth se ya mahapurush ki kirpa se Ya bhagwan ki kirpa se ho tha hein (ramchandra) ------------------------------- My respects to all in this forum.... In regard to perfection, I would say from my limited observations, that a part of perfection is when the individual acknowledges that no matter how far he/she has gone on the path, they are still a beginner. This humility I would consider to be a part of what we are calling " perfection " ....which is indeed a very broad word. Without this sense that " yes " , I am always a beginner, always subject to new and amazing awareness of my own ignorance, then certainly pride can easily find it's way into one's heart. Written without much realization....... Mahalaksmi Dasi ----------------------------- In Tretayuga sage Valmiki asked Naradamaharshi 'Konvasmin sampratamloke -- evamvidham Naram'. Please let me know about the perfect man and what made him 'Perfect man'? In Dwaaparayuga Arjuna asked Bhagavan ' Stitapragnasya ka bhasha' 'What is the definition of a man with perfect tranquility? How does that man speak,how does he sit,how does he walk?' The reply to Valmiki's enquiry is Ramayanam and the reply to Arjuna's query is Bhagavadgita. The way how Sri Rama lived as man and by living as the suggestions of Sri Krishna makes a man perfect. 'Siddhim vindati manavah' - man attains the highest perfection by worshipping Him through his own natural duties. All our scriptures and Bhagavadgita give us a plan to make ourselves mature and strong so that we grow to our full stature i.e perfect man. The real lessons of experience and consequent change in attitude and life style always makes a person perfect. Generally speaking, in life we may have two aspirations; abhyudaya, or worldly prosperity; and nishreyasa, or spiritual illumination. To attain worldly prosperity we have to fight with external nature and compete with our fellow human beings. To attain spiritual illumination we have to fight our inner nature,our lower Propensities, and to conquer them. Doing these two makes a man perfect. Dr.Goli ------------------------------ jai shree ram though it is said that practise makes a man perfect,but the question is practise of what?Practise of sadhna,practise of taking his name regularly so that we can remember his name when time comes to leave this world.Its not like that we spend our whole life in earning materials and think that it is only about taking his name at that moment ,nothing big in this!But it is not that easy.For this we have to practise otherwise we will only rember those things in which we were indulged whole life .Not for a moment we can remember him without practise. A beginner renu_guliani ------------------------------ PRIOR POSTING Hari Om What makes a man perfect? Just as seeking wealth makes a man wealthy or seeking education makes a man educated, similarly, Seeking the perfect makes the man perfect. If you seek perfection , you will become perfect. What is that " perfect " which we should seek? Paramatma is that " perfect " which we should seek ! Seek God Realisation..Another element where perfection lies is " self " - you your " self " ! Seek Self Realisation.. Another element where lies this " perfection " is Equanimity. Seek to become " equanimous " and you shall be perfect- in your conduct, in your karma, in your pursuits, in your life !. Experience is one thing and drawing lessons from your direct experiences and putting them in practice is another thing. If there is a desire in you to become perfect, then there must be an element existing in this universe , which is indeed perfect. It is your direct experience that unless the element to fulfil desire is present, there can not arise desire in you. If you are thirsty, that necessarily implies there is water existing. Hence when there is a desire in you to become perfect that means there is a perfect element existing. That " perfect " element is God / Self /Equanimity. Jai Shree Krishna Vyas N B ------------------------------ Narayan Narayan IN ENGLISH There is no end to worldly enjoyments and sense pleasures for that matter. Giving up desires, and hoarding is best of all. In whom there is equanimity, he alone will be a perfected man. In Gita, samtaah has been spoken of in depth. Keep these two things in mind 1) Serve the world 2) Love God There is nothing more you need to do. Ramchandra IN HINDI Sansaarik bhogo ka aant nahi hein vese hi kamna,sangrah, In sab ka tyag ker ke asang ho jao sab yogo mai samta hi Servsresth hai. jis mai samtaa aagai vahi puran aadmi hogaya (geeta mai samta ki bhahut gahrai se bathai hai. Do bhato ka dhyan rahe 1.sansar ki seva 2.prabhu mai prem Aapko kuch karne ki jarurat nahi hein. (ramchandra) ----------------------------- Ram Ram Only One is perfect and that is Krishna. Except Him everything has some or the other flaws. It's His mercy that He accepts us with those flaws if we surrender to him. Instead of trying to be perfect, we should try to do what Krishna has instructed in Gita. Ashok Goenka -------------------------------- Experience never makes a man perfect; it only guides a man to right path. RK Nair ----------------------------- Dear Sadak, There is a line from ancient scripts, " Pragyanam Bhramam " . Man fully conscience of what he is doing, will do, planning to do is a perfect man. Experience is lesson from mistakes. Experience does not prevent from doing same mistake. But Gyana prevent from doing mistakes. No one on earth said to be perfect. Only GOD is said as " PURUSHOTHAMA " (Perfect) and also said Poornathuvam (Complete perfection) Many saints such as Adi Sankara, Goutham Buddha, Christ, 12 Alwars (Vaishnavites), 63 Nayanmars (Shivites), scroesof bakthas, Brama Gyanies such as Vasister, Viswamithra, Doovasa, saints such as Tapovan Maharaj, Shidhi Sai Baba, Tukaram, Annamaiya, 18 Siddhars all of them have said in one place or other that they had flaws /mistakes as such " Oh Bagavan Karuniya Roopa I have done mistakes knowingly or unknowing, please pardon me " . Example: Most Suprabathams /scripts /slokas end like that. But once a man becomes perfect, he lives no more on this earth. B. Sathyanarayan. ---------------------------- Jai Latiyal IN ENGLISH Instilling good values, makes a man perfect human being. Just like if a child from his very childhood is instilled with pure values, then as he grows up, he will be a perfect man. If you instill knowledge of wealth, then he will become engaged in worldly enjoyments and hoarding, and will waste away this precious human birth. It is only when one becomes a loving devotee of God, that one's life is a success Shivkumar Naravat IN HINDI Sanskar man (aadmi)ko perfact ya insan banata hein Jai se bhache ko aap bhachpan se he sanskar sudh denge tho aage chalkar. Who perfct aadmi banega agar sampati ke bare mai he gyan de ge tho Sansaarik bhog or sangrah mai lag jayega or aapna janam vyarth mai gava Dega. (prabhu ka pyara ho jai,janam shafal ho jayega (shivkumar naravat) ---------------------------- Narayan Narayan IN ENGLISH Narayan Narayan In Gita a very important point has been shared- Equanimity is best of all the Yogas. There is no end to worldly enjoyments. In the endless Universes, and desires are also endless, but giving them up and becoming detached, become desireless. In this world there are two things, Hoarding and taking refuge. He who take refuge in God, becomes a perfect man. Ramchandra IN HINDI Gita mai ek mahatvpuran baat aaei hein(samta)shabi yog mai uttam Hein. Kyoki shansarik bhogo ka aant nahi hein aanant bharmand hein aanant, Kamnaye bhi aanant hein kintu in sab ka tyag karke asang hojao niskam Hojao shansar mai do chije hein sangharash or shamrpan Samrpan jes nai kar diya who shreshth(paripuran man)ho gaya (ramchandra) In Gita a very important point has been shared- Equanimity is best of all the Yogas. There is no end to worldly enjoyments. In the endless Universes, and desires are also endless, but giving them up and becoming detached, become desireless. In this world there are two things, Hoarding and taking refuge. He who take refuge in God, becomes a perfect man. Ramchandra IN HINDI Gita mai ek mahatvpuran baat aaei hein(samta)shabi yog mai uttam Hein. Kyoki shansarik bhogo ka aant nahi hein aanant bharmand hein aanant, Kamnaye bhi aanant hein kintu in sab ka tyag karke asang hojao niskam Hojao shansar mai do chije hein sangharash or shamrpan Samrpan jes nai kar diya who shreshth(paripuran man)ho gaya (ramchandra) ----------------------------- A perfect man realises that everything in this world is an illusion and that the reality can only be seen through meditation. Therefore he acts in such a way so that he is forever saved from the endless cycle of births and deaths. Hari Shanker Deo -------------------------------- GUIDELINES FOR POSTING A RESPONSE: 1. The group is focused on the Holy Gitaji, therefore, only responses which further clarify the understanding of Gitaji, will be posted. 2. Making reference of Gitaji shloka is highly encouraged - at least once in the response. Wherever possible, please quote Gitaji or other scriptures to substantiate your response. 3. Please be as concise and to the point as possible, respecting sadhaka's time. Under no circustance the answer should be limited to half a book page, at the most 3-4 paragraphs. 4. Kindly limit personal feelings, opinions, beliefs etc. to the extent that they further help in understanding the Gita shlokas 5. Kindly focus your writing to the subject at hand only. 6. Please do not include links to the other sites or other organizations (we do not have the bandwidth to review links to determine if content is appropriate for distribution). 7. Complete reproduction of texts from any book is strongly discouraged, however partial cut - paste is acceptable and references may be made of the book or author(but not links to other sites). 8. Kindly do not include your personal information such as phone number, address etc. 9. Please use appropriate judgement and only address the response to a particular individual, where it makes sense to do so. 10. 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Guest guest Posted September 25, 2008 Report Share Posted September 25, 2008 May I know what makes a man perfect? I was told that experience hardly ever makes a person perfect. Regards H.K. Sudhakara ------------------------------ NEW POSTING Hari Om Can there be a more perfect thing than the state of being - Chetan ( sentient), Amal (absolutely flaw/error less) and Shahaj Sukhraashi ( naturally and permanently blissful) ? In fact you , your SELF are that only. You are already - PERFECT. You are not realising/experiencing that natural perfection in you , because you have associated/connected yourself with that thing which is eternally " imperfect " viz with the world. How can constantly changing element ever attain " perfection " ? The moment you " mentally " disconnect with your body , by not considering this body to be " me " / mine and for me and with the world, with the temporary, with the inert- by resorting to Equanimity or the moment you connect yourself exclusively with Paramatma you will at once realise " perfection " in you - as you are already perfect. You have simply forgotten your perfection and now you are searching the perfection in the imperfect/ ever changing world ! To be perfect - either disconnect yourself with the imperfect , ever changing world OR connect yourself with always Perfect never changing God. Seek Equanimty. Seek Self Realisation. Seek God Realisation. Heed to your Conscience - perfection will reveal itself in you only ! Stop searching perfection in the world. Perfection lies only in Self/ God/ Equanimity and NO WHERE ELSE ! Desire in you " to become perfect " will never get satiated unless in seek God/Self/Equanimity. Be certain on that !!! Jai Shree Krishna Vyas N B ---------------------------- What makes a Man Perfect ? Mahalakshmi Dasi has put it rightly – being a student, a seeker of perfection with awareful humility is the perfect stand for anyone who wants to excel. A student wields all the freedom to learn with an open mind. Becoming perfect is a myth in reality because everything is already perfect as they are. We have acquired imperfections in our beliefs in our independent existence, dependent relations, notional ideas, etc. Only a student has an open mind to acknowledge all the superficial imperfections one is compelling on one's own individual existence in this world. On the removal of all imperfections, perfection alone persists. Angushthamaatrah purusho jyotirivaadhumakah | Eeshaanam bhutabhavyasya sa evaadya sa u shvah || Irrespective of whether the smoke camouflages it or not, the fire is as pure as it is. So is The Perfection … IT remains as is irrespective of one's notions and beliefs. As always the fire reveals its purity as the smoke is cleared, The Perfection is revealed in everything as the cloud of imperfections rooted in our notions are cleared. The perfection overlords everything everywhere everywhen transcending individuals, space and even time. IT is what is there as well as what is here … IT is whatever was, whatever is as well and whetever will be. Therefore, " becoming perfect " is a superstition. Perpetual awareness of being imperfect is the existential reality that helps a seeker to establish in the ever- present perfection of the eternal reality. " A man " can never become perfect as far as he is insisting for an individual perfection. As far as one insists for an individual existence, how can one overcome the need for relational dependence on the other individuals around without whom the very individual identity drifts to oblivion? How can anything be perfect when it is ever-vulnerable to the existential variance in the individual who has to perpetually adapt to the circumstantial variance in one's environment to keep this individual identity alive amongst the rest perceived? Therefore, an individual seeking to " become perfect " is nothing but an ambitious ignorance. Every man and every other things in the universe is perfect as is when the individual claim of independent existence vanishes. Only an eternal student can wield this power of identifying the ignorance within and drop the same to dissolve into The Perfection to be THAT. Respects. Naga Narayana. ------------------------------ Experiences contain sensory bias and it is therefore said as VISHAY. Any knowledge entering through the holes in body or called senses is contaminated and gets poisonous VISH - VISHAY. For example, eyes desire something to see but legs refuse to walk, and the desire is suppressed. Toung wants a particular food but there is no money to buy, and intellect and toung have uneasy relationship. In general, any learning/reaction in physical space is biased by one or another, and perfect knowledge which satisfies the intellect, manah, and atman is nearly impossible. Knowledge obtained from scriptures and by intellectual contemplation without any sensory interest or uneasiness is pure and also perfect. In Mahabharat, Sri Krishna requested Bhisma to teach Yudhisthir the administration. Bhishm then politely requested Sri Krishna to answer him why He (Sri Krishna) thinks that this lecture on the subject of administration is delegated to (Bhishm). At then Sri Krishna told His inability that He has had no 'experience' and has never ever gone through the sensory bias or worldly or physical compromises. He always stayed in truth, and His thoughts are knowledge, and no experience. Bhism was then very pleased that Sri Krishna deserved him the chances of education of BHRAM or illusion and how can one gets relieved. This illusion or experience of bias is Bhism. Best regards K G (Krishna Gopal) ------------------------------- All respected members, I can say with confidence that " Perfection " - the topic is vague. Right from the beginning no body could achieve it - not even Bhagwan Sri Krishna. IN the end he also saw a bad fate. Here, 3rd Law of Newton is applicable. And on the otherhand if one tries to get it - he will remain dissatisfied which brings disturbed state of mind. Brahm Mehrotra ------------------------- PRIOR POSTING In English Ma'sn perfection is through his own effort or through the grace of a great soul, or through the grace of God. Ramchandra In Hindi Manushya ka kalyan aapne purusharth se ya mahapurush ki kirpa se Ya bhagwan ki kirpa se ho tha hein (ramchandra) ------------------------------- My respects to all in this forum.... In regard to perfection, I would say from my limited observations, that a part of perfection is when the individual acknowledges that no matter how far he/she has gone on the path, they are still a beginner. This humility I would consider to be a part of what we are calling " perfection " ....which is indeed a very broad word. Without this sense that " yes " , I am always a beginner, always subject to new and amazing awareness of my own ignorance, then certainly pride can easily find it's way into one's heart. Written without much realization....... Mahalaksmi Dasi ----------------------------- In Tretayuga sage Valmiki asked Naradamaharshi 'Konvasmin sampratamloke -- evamvidham Naram'. Please let me know about the perfect man and what made him 'Perfect man'? In Dwaaparayuga Arjuna asked Bhagavan ' Stitapragnasya ka bhasha' 'What is the definition of a man with perfect tranquility? How does that man speak,how does he sit,how does he walk?' The reply to Valmiki's enquiry is Ramayanam and the reply to Arjuna's query is Bhagavadgita. The way how Sri Rama lived as man and by living as the suggestions of Sri Krishna makes a man perfect. 'Siddhim vindati manavah' - man attains the highest perfection by worshipping Him through his own natural duties. All our scriptures and Bhagavadgita give us a plan to make ourselves mature and strong so that we grow to our full stature i.e perfect man. The real lessons of experience and consequent change in attitude and life style always makes a person perfect. Generally speaking, in life we may have two aspirations; abhyudaya, or worldly prosperity; and nishreyasa, or spiritual illumination. To attain worldly prosperity we have to fight with external nature and compete with our fellow human beings. To attain spiritual illumination we have to fight our inner nature,our lower Propensities, and to conquer them. Doing these two makes a man perfect. Dr.Goli ------------------------------ jai shree ram though it is said that practise makes a man perfect,but the question is practise of what?Practise of sadhna,practise of taking his name regularly so that we can remember his name when time comes to leave this world.Its not like that we spend our whole life in earning materials and think that it is only about taking his name at that moment ,nothing big in this!But it is not that easy.For this we have to practise otherwise we will only rember those things in which we were indulged whole life .Not for a moment we can remember him without practise. A beginner renu_guliani ------------------------------ PRIOR POSTING Hari Om What makes a man perfect? Just as seeking wealth makes a man wealthy or seeking education makes a man educated, similarly, Seeking the perfect makes the man perfect. If you seek perfection , you will become perfect. What is that " perfect " which we should seek? Paramatma is that " perfect " which we should seek ! Seek God Realisation..Another element where perfection lies is " self " - you your " self " ! Seek Self Realisation.. Another element where lies this " perfection " is Equanimity. Seek to become " equanimous " and you shall be perfect- in your conduct, in your karma, in your pursuits, in your life !. Experience is one thing and drawing lessons from your direct experiences and putting them in practice is another thing. If there is a desire in you to become perfect, then there must be an element existing in this universe , which is indeed perfect. It is your direct experience that unless the element to fulfil desire is present, there can not arise desire in you. If you are thirsty, that necessarily implies there is water existing. Hence when there is a desire in you to become perfect that means there is a perfect element existing. That " perfect " element is God / Self /Equanimity. Jai Shree Krishna Vyas N B ------------------------------ Narayan Narayan IN ENGLISH There is no end to worldly enjoyments and sense pleasures for that matter. Giving up desires, and hoarding is best of all. In whom there is equanimity, he alone will be a perfected man. In Gita, samtaah has been spoken of in depth. Keep these two things in mind 1) Serve the world 2) Love God There is nothing more you need to do. Ramchandra IN HINDI Sansaarik bhogo ka aant nahi hein vese hi kamna,sangrah, In sab ka tyag ker ke asang ho jao sab yogo mai samta hi Servsresth hai. jis mai samtaa aagai vahi puran aadmi hogaya (geeta mai samta ki bhahut gahrai se bathai hai. Do bhato ka dhyan rahe 1.sansar ki seva 2.prabhu mai prem Aapko kuch karne ki jarurat nahi hein. (ramchandra) ----------------------------- Ram Ram Only One is perfect and that is Krishna. Except Him everything has some or the other flaws. It's His mercy that He accepts us with those flaws if we surrender to him. Instead of trying to be perfect, we should try to do what Krishna has instructed in Gita. Ashok Goenka -------------------------------- Experience never makes a man perfect; it only guides a man to right path. RK Nair ----------------------------- Dear Sadak, There is a line from ancient scripts, " Pragyanam Bhramam " . Man fully conscience of what he is doing, will do, planning to do is a perfect man. Experience is lesson from mistakes. Experience does not prevent from doing same mistake. But Gyana prevent from doing mistakes. No one on earth said to be perfect. Only GOD is said as " PURUSHOTHAMA " (Perfect) and also said Poornathuvam (Complete perfection) Many saints such as Adi Sankara, Goutham Buddha, Christ, 12 Alwars (Vaishnavites), 63 Nayanmars (Shivites), scroesof bakthas, Brama Gyanies such as Vasister, Viswamithra, Doovasa, saints such as Tapovan Maharaj, Shidhi Sai Baba, Tukaram, Annamaiya, 18 Siddhars all of them have said in one place or other that they had flaws /mistakes as such " Oh Bagavan Karuniya Roopa I have done mistakes knowingly or unknowing, please pardon me " . Example: Most Suprabathams /scripts /slokas end like that. But once a man becomes perfect, he lives no more on this earth. B. Sathyanarayan. ---------------------------- Jai Latiyal IN ENGLISH Instilling good values, makes a man perfect human being. Just like if a child from his very childhood is instilled with pure values, then as he grows up, he will be a perfect man. If you instill knowledge of wealth, then he will become engaged in worldly enjoyments and hoarding, and will waste away this precious human birth. It is only when one becomes a loving devotee of God, that one's life is a success Shivkumar Naravat IN HINDI Sanskar man (aadmi)ko perfact ya insan banata hein Jai se bhache ko aap bhachpan se he sanskar sudh denge tho aage chalkar. Who perfct aadmi banega agar sampati ke bare mai he gyan de ge tho Sansaarik bhog or sangrah mai lag jayega or aapna janam vyarth mai gava Dega. (prabhu ka pyara ho jai,janam shafal ho jayega (shivkumar naravat) ---------------------------- Narayan Narayan IN ENGLISH Narayan Narayan In Gita a very important point has been shared- Equanimity is best of all the Yogas. There is no end to worldly enjoyments. In the endless Universes, and desires are also endless, but giving them up and becoming detached, become desireless. In this world there are two things, Hoarding and taking refuge. He who take refuge in God, becomes a perfect man. Ramchandra IN HINDI Gita mai ek mahatvpuran baat aaei hein(samta)shabi yog mai uttam Hein. Kyoki shansarik bhogo ka aant nahi hein aanant bharmand hein aanant, Kamnaye bhi aanant hein kintu in sab ka tyag karke asang hojao niskam Hojao shansar mai do chije hein sangharash or shamrpan Samrpan jes nai kar diya who shreshth(paripuran man)ho gaya (ramchandra) In Gita a very important point has been shared- Equanimity is best of all the Yogas. There is no end to worldly enjoyments. In the endless Universes, and desires are also endless, but giving them up and becoming detached, become desireless. In this world there are two things, Hoarding and taking refuge. He who take refuge in God, becomes a perfect man. Ramchandra IN HINDI Gita mai ek mahatvpuran baat aaei hein(samta)shabi yog mai uttam Hein. Kyoki shansarik bhogo ka aant nahi hein aanant bharmand hein aanant, Kamnaye bhi aanant hein kintu in sab ka tyag karke asang hojao niskam Hojao shansar mai do chije hein sangharash or shamrpan Samrpan jes nai kar diya who shreshth(paripuran man)ho gaya (ramchandra) ----------------------------- A perfect man realises that everything in this world is an illusion and that the reality can only be seen through meditation. Therefore he acts in such a way so that he is forever saved from the endless cycle of births and deaths. Hari Shanker Deo -------------------------------- GUIDELINES FOR POSTING A RESPONSE: 1. The group is focused on the Holy Gitaji, therefore, only responses which further clarify the understanding of Gitaji, will be posted. 2. Making reference of Gitaji shloka is highly encouraged - at least once in the response. Wherever possible, please quote Gitaji or other scriptures to substantiate your response. 3. 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Guest guest Posted September 25, 2008 Report Share Posted September 25, 2008 May I know what makes a man perfect? I was told that experience hardly ever makes a person perfect. Regards H.K. Sudhakara ------------------------------ NEW POSTING Dear Sadhakas, Namaste! What makes a man perfect may be best answered by inquiring into what makes a man imperfect. Truth about us is the deepest and the most certain feeling of knowingness in us that " I am or I know I exist " . I cannot say what or how I know I am, but nothing is more certain than I am. That is why Sruti calls it " THAT " whatever that I am! This Existence doesn't depend on any worldly objects, any belief, any religion at all. It is always here and now in all changing circumstances, waking, dreaming or sleeping. It is not mind's experience and hence is not limited in nature! As we all know perfection is unconditional joy or bliss, or peace or feeling complete as one is. In other words Happiness is not dependent on any objects which are all but limited. Limited objects bring limited joys only! There is no desires in this state of being. Such perfection of being gets disturbed due to identification of " I am " with body-mind complex taken as one's real self. Body is not at fault, however mind sees the body as anchor and identifies itself as if separate person from childhood onward. Then on the top of it mind superimposes many subtle separations such as castes, belief systems, religions, nationalities etc etc. So our separations as individuals are all perceived and conceived notions about us, superimposed on pure " I am " , Consciousness, limitlessness " . This gives rise to notions such as " I am Indian, I am man, I am son, daughter or this or that someone " ! THis create insufficiency and therefore, desires in us. Desires can never fulfil us completely as we all know and result in further imperfections! These are imperfections on Perfection, Wholeness!. This is the anatomy of our imperfections! Imperfection is inherent in separation. Isn't this why we aspire to be perfect? One can see there is a natural pull to break open this separation to be united with perfection just as streched rubber in disequilibrium wants to get back to orginal state of equilibrium. If we look at this as our own freedom to be: " our imperfections " are our perfections too " , mind becomes still, desire to be perfect drops away and feeling of relief arises! We feel we are perfection ITSELF, not perfect person(contradiction in itself)! If we keep at it, we may discover us as THAT Impersonal Being in which everything and nothing appears, Supreme CONSCIOUSNESS! We have never experienced " separate things " in all our experiencing, nor can we! For Divine play Mind is given ability to perceive apparant separations and deal with them properly! " WE " as Consciousness are experiencing only our own Knowingness, Perfect Wholeness, one without a second! So everything here is just " Ishwara " experiencing " Ishwara " in the guise of individuals. Namaskaras......Pratap Bhatt ----------------------------- Ram Ram State of God-realization " ...Where he holds no other gain greater than that which he has gained; and where, securely seated, he is not shaken by any calamity however great " (Gita 6:22) This verse is the thermometer to measure our perfection. When one has not started earning money, till then the thought prevails that if there is a regular income, a beautiful wife and 2 obedient children then there will be peace. Most of the people world over assume this to be a perfect, complete and peaceful life. But even after gaining this and even lot more he falls short of the perfection held by this verse. Everyone knows that the more we run after worldly things them more we get entangled in them. If one is attentive towards this experience then he can surely make progress and attain perfection. Regards, Varun P. Paprunia ----------------------------- Only the BRAHMGYAN CAN MAKE A MAN PERFECT but then man looses his individuality. as quoted in Ramcharitmanas " SO JAANAI JEHI DEHU JANAAI, JAANAT TUM TUMAHI HOI JAI. " One can know absolute by dissolving individuality. Thanx Raja Gurdasani ------------------------------ In simple words : Think good, Talk good and Do good. The above three things in life will make a man perfect, the time line for this depends on how you are involved yourself to it. Prakash Nair ------------------------------ PRIOR POSTING Hari Om Can there be a more perfect thing than the state of being - Chetan ( sentient), Amal (absolutely flaw/error less) and Shahaj Sukhraashi ( naturally and permanently blissful) ? In fact you , your SELF are that only. You are already - PERFECT. You are not realising/experiencing that natural perfection in you , because you have associated/connected yourself with that thing which is eternally " imperfect " viz with the world. How can constantly changing element ever attain " perfection " ? The moment you " mentally " disconnect with your body , by not considering this body to be " me " / mine and for me and with the world, with the temporary, with the inert- by resorting to Equanimity or the moment you connect yourself exclusively with Paramatma you will at once realise " perfection " in you - as you are already perfect. You have simply forgotten your perfection and now you are searching the perfection in the imperfect/ ever changing world ! To be perfect - either disconnect yourself with the imperfect , ever changing world OR connect yourself with always Perfect never changing God. Seek Equanimty. Seek Self Realisation. Seek God Realisation. Heed to your Conscience - perfection will reveal itself in you only ! Stop searching perfection in the world. Perfection lies only in Self/ God/ Equanimity and NO WHERE ELSE ! Desire in you " to become perfect " will never get satiated unless in seek God/Self/Equanimity. Be certain on that !!! Jai Shree Krishna Vyas N B ---------------------------- What makes a Man Perfect ? Mahalakshmi Dasi has put it rightly – being a student, a seeker of perfection with awareful humility is the perfect stand for anyone who wants to excel. A student wields all the freedom to learn with an open mind. Becoming perfect is a myth in reality because everything is already perfect as they are. We have acquired imperfections in our beliefs in our independent existence, dependent relations, notional ideas, etc. Only a student has an open mind to acknowledge all the superficial imperfections one is compelling on one's own individual existence in this world. On the removal of all imperfections, perfection alone persists. Angushthamaatrah purusho jyotirivaadhumakah | Eeshaanam bhutabhavyasya sa evaadya sa u shvah || Irrespective of whether the smoke camouflages it or not, the fire is as pure as it is. So is The Perfection … IT remains as is irrespective of one's notions and beliefs. As always the fire reveals its purity as the smoke is cleared, The Perfection is revealed in everything as the cloud of imperfections rooted in our notions are cleared. The perfection overlords everything everywhere everywhen transcending individuals, space and even time. IT is what is there as well as what is here … IT is whatever was, whatever is as well and whetever will be. Therefore, " becoming perfect " is a superstition. Perpetual awareness of being imperfect is the existential reality that helps a seeker to establish in the ever- present perfection of the eternal reality. " A man " can never become perfect as far as he is insisting for an individual perfection. As far as one insists for an individual existence, how can one overcome the need for relational dependence on the other individuals around without whom the very individual identity drifts to oblivion? How can anything be perfect when it is ever-vulnerable to the existential variance in the individual who has to perpetually adapt to the circumstantial variance in one's environment to keep this individual identity alive amongst the rest perceived? Therefore, an individual seeking to " become perfect " is nothing but an ambitious ignorance. Every man and every other things in the universe is perfect as is when the individual claim of independent existence vanishes. Only an eternal student can wield this power of identifying the ignorance within and drop the same to dissolve into The Perfection to be THAT. Respects. Naga Narayana. ------------------------------ Experiences contain sensory bias and it is therefore said as VISHAY. Any knowledge entering through the holes in body or called senses is contaminated and gets poisonous VISH - VISHAY. For example, eyes desire something to see but legs refuse to walk, and the desire is suppressed. Toung wants a particular food but there is no money to buy, and intellect and toung have uneasy relationship. In general, any learning/reaction in physical space is biased by one or another, and perfect knowledge which satisfies the intellect, manah, and atman is nearly impossible. Knowledge obtained from scriptures and by intellectual contemplation without any sensory interest or uneasiness is pure and also perfect. In Mahabharat, Sri Krishna requested Bhisma to teach Yudhisthir the administration. Bhishm then politely requested Sri Krishna to answer him why He (Sri Krishna) thinks that this lecture on the subject of administration is delegated to (Bhishm). At then Sri Krishna told His inability that He has had no 'experience' and has never ever gone through the sensory bias or worldly or physical compromises. He always stayed in truth, and His thoughts are knowledge, and no experience. Bhism was then very pleased that Sri Krishna deserved him the chances of education of BHRAM or illusion and how can one gets relieved. This illusion or experience of bias is Bhism. Best regards K G (Krishna Gopal) ------------------------------- All respected members, I can say with confidence that " Perfection " - the topic is vague. Right from the beginning no body could achieve it - not even Bhagwan Sri Krishna. IN the end he also saw a bad fate. Here, 3rd Law of Newton is applicable. And on the otherhand if one tries to get it - he will remain dissatisfied which brings disturbed state of mind. Brahm Mehrotra ------------------------- PRIOR POSTING In English Ma'sn perfection is through his own effort or through the grace of a great soul, or through the grace of God. Ramchandra In Hindi Manushya ka kalyan aapne purusharth se ya mahapurush ki kirpa se Ya bhagwan ki kirpa se ho tha hein (ramchandra) ------------------------------- My respects to all in this forum.... In regard to perfection, I would say from my limited observations, that a part of perfection is when the individual acknowledges that no matter how far he/she has gone on the path, they are still a beginner. This humility I would consider to be a part of what we are calling " perfection " ....which is indeed a very broad word. Without this sense that " yes " , I am always a beginner, always subject to new and amazing awareness of my own ignorance, then certainly pride can easily find it's way into one's heart. Written without much realization....... Mahalaksmi Dasi ----------------------------- In Tretayuga sage Valmiki asked Naradamaharshi 'Konvasmin sampratamloke -- evamvidham Naram'. Please let me know about the perfect man and what made him 'Perfect man'? In Dwaaparayuga Arjuna asked Bhagavan ' Stitapragnasya ka bhasha' 'What is the definition of a man with perfect tranquility? How does that man speak,how does he sit,how does he walk?' The reply to Valmiki's enquiry is Ramayanam and the reply to Arjuna's query is Bhagavadgita. The way how Sri Rama lived as man and by living as the suggestions of Sri Krishna makes a man perfect. 'Siddhim vindati manavah' - man attains the highest perfection by worshipping Him through his own natural duties. All our scriptures and Bhagavadgita give us a plan to make ourselves mature and strong so that we grow to our full stature i.e perfect man. The real lessons of experience and consequent change in attitude and life style always makes a person perfect. Generally speaking, in life we may have two aspirations; abhyudaya, or worldly prosperity; and nishreyasa, or spiritual illumination. To attain worldly prosperity we have to fight with external nature and compete with our fellow human beings. To attain spiritual illumination we have to fight our inner nature,our lower Propensities, and to conquer them. Doing these two makes a man perfect. Dr.Goli ------------------------------ jai shree ram though it is said that practise makes a man perfect,but the question is practise of what?Practise of sadhna,practise of taking his name regularly so that we can remember his name when time comes to leave this world.Its not like that we spend our whole life in earning materials and think that it is only about taking his name at that moment ,nothing big in this!But it is not that easy.For this we have to practise otherwise we will only rember those things in which we were indulged whole life .Not for a moment we can remember him without practise. A beginner renu_guliani ------------------------------ PRIOR POSTING Hari Om What makes a man perfect? Just as seeking wealth makes a man wealthy or seeking education makes a man educated, similarly, Seeking the perfect makes the man perfect. If you seek perfection , you will become perfect. What is that " perfect " which we should seek? Paramatma is that " perfect " which we should seek ! Seek God Realisation..Another element where perfection lies is " self " - you your " self " ! Seek Self Realisation.. Another element where lies this " perfection " is Equanimity. Seek to become " equanimous " and you shall be perfect- in your conduct, in your karma, in your pursuits, in your life !. Experience is one thing and drawing lessons from your direct experiences and putting them in practice is another thing. If there is a desire in you to become perfect, then there must be an element existing in this universe , which is indeed perfect. It is your direct experience that unless the element to fulfil desire is present, there can not arise desire in you. If you are thirsty, that necessarily implies there is water existing. Hence when there is a desire in you to become perfect that means there is a perfect element existing. That " perfect " element is God / Self /Equanimity. Jai Shree Krishna Vyas N B ------------------------------ Narayan Narayan IN ENGLISH There is no end to worldly enjoyments and sense pleasures for that matter. Giving up desires, and hoarding is best of all. In whom there is equanimity, he alone will be a perfected man. In Gita, samtaah has been spoken of in depth. Keep these two things in mind 1) Serve the world 2) Love God There is nothing more you need to do. Ramchandra IN HINDI Sansaarik bhogo ka aant nahi hein vese hi kamna,sangrah, In sab ka tyag ker ke asang ho jao sab yogo mai samta hi Servsresth hai. jis mai samtaa aagai vahi puran aadmi hogaya (geeta mai samta ki bhahut gahrai se bathai hai. Do bhato ka dhyan rahe 1.sansar ki seva 2.prabhu mai prem Aapko kuch karne ki jarurat nahi hein. (ramchandra) ----------------------------- Ram Ram Only One is perfect and that is Krishna. Except Him everything has some or the other flaws. It's His mercy that He accepts us with those flaws if we surrender to him. Instead of trying to be perfect, we should try to do what Krishna has instructed in Gita. Ashok Goenka -------------------------------- Experience never makes a man perfect; it only guides a man to right path. RK Nair ----------------------------- Dear Sadak, There is a line from ancient scripts, " Pragyanam Bhramam " . Man fully conscience of what he is doing, will do, planning to do is a perfect man. Experience is lesson from mistakes. Experience does not prevent from doing same mistake. But Gyana prevent from doing mistakes. No one on earth said to be perfect. Only GOD is said as " PURUSHOTHAMA " (Perfect) and also said Poornathuvam (Complete perfection) Many saints such as Adi Sankara, Goutham Buddha, Christ, 12 Alwars (Vaishnavites), 63 Nayanmars (Shivites), scroesof bakthas, Brama Gyanies such as Vasister, Viswamithra, Doovasa, saints such as Tapovan Maharaj, Shidhi Sai Baba, Tukaram, Annamaiya, 18 Siddhars all of them have said in one place or other that they had flaws /mistakes as such " Oh Bagavan Karuniya Roopa I have done mistakes knowingly or unknowing, please pardon me " . Example: Most Suprabathams /scripts /slokas end like that. But once a man becomes perfect, he lives no more on this earth. B. Sathyanarayan. ---------------------------- Jai Latiyal IN ENGLISH Instilling good values, makes a man perfect human being. Just like if a child from his very childhood is instilled with pure values, then as he grows up, he will be a perfect man. If you instill knowledge of wealth, then he will become engaged in worldly enjoyments and hoarding, and will waste away this precious human birth. It is only when one becomes a loving devotee of God, that one's life is a success Shivkumar Naravat IN HINDI Sanskar man (aadmi)ko perfact ya insan banata hein Jai se bhache ko aap bhachpan se he sanskar sudh denge tho aage chalkar. Who perfct aadmi banega agar sampati ke bare mai he gyan de ge tho Sansaarik bhog or sangrah mai lag jayega or aapna janam vyarth mai gava Dega. (prabhu ka pyara ho jai,janam shafal ho jayega (shivkumar naravat) ---------------------------- Narayan Narayan IN ENGLISH Narayan Narayan In Gita a very important point has been shared- Equanimity is best of all the Yogas. There is no end to worldly enjoyments. In the endless Universes, and desires are also endless, but giving them up and becoming detached, become desireless. In this world there are two things, Hoarding and taking refuge. He who take refuge in God, becomes a perfect man. Ramchandra IN HINDI Gita mai ek mahatvpuran baat aaei hein(samta)shabi yog mai uttam Hein. Kyoki shansarik bhogo ka aant nahi hein aanant bharmand hein aanant, Kamnaye bhi aanant hein kintu in sab ka tyag karke asang hojao niskam Hojao shansar mai do chije hein sangharash or shamrpan Samrpan jes nai kar diya who shreshth(paripuran man)ho gaya (ramchandra) In Gita a very important point has been shared- Equanimity is best of all the Yogas. There is no end to worldly enjoyments. In the endless Universes, and desires are also endless, but giving them up and becoming detached, become desireless. In this world there are two things, Hoarding and taking refuge. He who take refuge in God, becomes a perfect man. Ramchandra IN HINDI Gita mai ek mahatvpuran baat aaei hein(samta)shabi yog mai uttam Hein. Kyoki shansarik bhogo ka aant nahi hein aanant bharmand hein aanant, Kamnaye bhi aanant hein kintu in sab ka tyag karke asang hojao niskam Hojao shansar mai do chije hein sangharash or shamrpan Samrpan jes nai kar diya who shreshth(paripuran man)ho gaya (ramchandra) ----------------------------- A perfect man realises that everything in this world is an illusion and that the reality can only be seen through meditation. Therefore he acts in such a way so that he is forever saved from the endless cycle of births and deaths. Hari Shanker Deo -------------------------------- GUIDELINES FOR POSTING A RESPONSE: 1. The group is focused on the Holy Gitaji, therefore, only responses which further clarify the understanding of Gitaji, will be posted. 2. Making reference of Gitaji shloka is highly encouraged - at least once in the response. 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