Guest guest Posted October 14, 2008 Report Share Posted October 14, 2008 Question: Who do we believe is our own? Does Gita specifically, clearly and concretely say who? which verses (shlokas)? In Hindi Apnaa kisse maane? Gita ne iske baare mein saaf saaf bataayaa hai? Kaunse shloka mein? [RAMCHANDRA] ------------------------------- GUIDELINES FOR POSTING A RESPONSE: 1. The group is focused on the Holy Gitaji, therefore, responses which further clarify the understanding of Gitaji, will be the area of focus. 2. Making reference of Gitaji shloka is highly encouraged. Wherever possible, please quote Gitaji or other scriptures. 3. Please be as concise and to the point, addressing only the subject at hand, thus respecting sadhaka's time. Please limit response to half a book page (3-4 paragraphs). 4. Kindly limit personal feelings, opinions, beliefs etc. to the extent that they further help in understanding the Gita shlokas 5. Please do not include links to the other sites or other organizations (we do not have the bandwidth to review links to determine if content is appropriate for distribution). 6. Complete reproduction of texts from any book is strongly discouraged, however partial cut - paste is acceptable and references may be made of the book or author(but not links to sites). 7. Kindly do not include personal information - phone #, address etc. 8. Please use appropriate judgement and only address the response to a particular individual, where it makes sense to do so. 9. Due to the large readership, only those responses will be posted which are in line with the general philosophy of taking Shrimad Bhagavad Gita as the reference. 10. Moderator will reject any content that does not meet guidelines. However, for expediency, moderator at his discretion, may modify / delete portions of the posting deemed irrelevant to the core discussion (e.g. personal information, opinions / feelings etc.) 11. Please respond taking into consideration the novices, youth, westerners, non-sectarian audience. Kindly limit the use of only Sanskrit words, rather provide the English word with Sanskrit bracketed wherever possible. 12. Any personal remarks over the knowledge of any sadhak or about the stage at which any sadhak is standing in his quest / sadhna / spiritual journey - must not be included in your posting. Also, there should not be any sarcasm towards fellow sadhaks in this spiritual learning and sharing. GITA TALK MODERATOR Ram Ram Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 15, 2008 Report Share Posted October 15, 2008 Question: Who do we believe is our own? Does Gita specifically, clearly and concretely say who? which verses (shlokas)? In Hindi Apnaa kisse maane? Gita ne iske baare mein saaf saaf bataayaa hai? Kaunse shloka mein? [RAMCHANDRA] ------------------------------- Jay Shree Krishna First and the foremost, the one you consider your own, what must he be like? One must contemplate on this point. 1. He who can remain with us forever (eternally) 2. After meeting Him, there is not need for anything else. Gitaji says " Mamevaanso Jivaloke: (Gita 15:7). Only Prabhu (Paramatma, God) is our very own. And in connection with Prabhu, it comes in the words of saints, that Only Prabhu and His Loving Saints / Devotees, are ours. In reality after attaining Prabhu, from a worldly perspective there are two, however, as such, there is Only You and You alone. There is only Prabhu (God, Paramatama). Jay Shree Krishna Prabhu....!! IN HINDI Sabase pahale Aapna jisako mane ,vah kaisa hona chahiye? is baat par vichar karna chahiye. 1. jo sada hamare sath rah sakta ho. 2. jiske milneke baad dusari koi chij ki jarurat na ho. Gitaji me to " Maivanso jivloke " ....hamare keval Prabhu hi hai.Aur Prabhu ke nate sant-vani me aata hai ki Ek prabhu aur Prabhu ke pyare sant-jan hi hamare hai. Vastvame Prabhu ko pane ke baad ,dikhane bhar ko do hai...varana ek tu hi tu .....Prabhu hi hai... Jay Shree Krishna Prabhu....!! Rameshji ------------------------------ Jai Hanuman No one Jee ! No one!! Except Daddy, the Great- Paramatma. MAMAIVAANSHO JEEV LOKE, JEEVBHOOTAH SANATANAH (B G 15:7) Neither your body, nor mind/ego/intellect are yours what to say of kith and kin, worldly possessions !! SANSAAR SAATHI SAB SWAARTH KE HAIN, PUCCE VIRODHI PARAMARTHA KE HAIN. SUR NAR MUNI SABKI YAH REETI, SWAARATH LAABH KARE SAB PREETI HETU RAHIT JAG JUG UPKAARI, TUM TUMHAAR SEVAK ASURAARI All the people ( relatives etc) are selfish and act as obstacles to your ultimate goal. Demi Gods, humans, sages all have one custom only- they love you only for their selfish reasons. Only two people do " selfless " service - One God Himself , Two- The devotees of God (saadhaks). Said Mirabaai MERE TO GIRDHAR GOPAAL , DOOSARO NA KOI Only God is mine. No body else is mine Namaste Jee Jee Jee Shashikala --- Once an old man was travelling by train on a pilgrimage to Brindavan. At night, whilst he was asleep, his wallet fell from his pocket. A co-passenger found it the next morning and enquired as to whom the wallet belonged. The old man said it was his. A picture of Sri Krishna inside the wallet was proof that the wallet really belonged to him. The old man then began to relate the story of the wallet. He soon had a group of eager listeners around him. Lifting up the purse for all to see, the old man said: This purse has a long history behind it. My father gave it to me years ago when I was a mere schoolboy. I kept my little pocket money in it and also a photograph of my parents. Years passed. I grew up and began studying at university. Like every youth, I became conscious of my appearance. I replaced my parents¡¯ photograph with that of my own and I would look at it often. I had become my own admirer. Then came marriage. Self-admiration gave way to the consciousness of a family. Out went my own picture and I replaced it with that of my wife¡¯s. During the day I would open the wallet many times and gaze at the picture. All tiredness vanished and I would resume my work with enthusiasm. Then came the birth of my first child. What a joy I experienced when I became a father! I would eagerly rush home after work to play with my little baby. Needless to say, my wife¡¯s picture had already made way for the child's. The old man paused. Wiping his tearful eyes, he looked around and said in a sad voice: Friends, my parents passed away long ago. My wife too died five years ago. My son- my only son- is now married. He is too busy with his career and his family. He has no time for me. I now stand on the brink of death. I do not know what awaits me in future. Everything I loved, everything I considered my own, has left me. A picture of Lord Krishna now occupies the place in my wallet. I know He will never leave me. I wish now that I had kept HIS picture with me right from the beginning! He alone is true; all others are just passing shadows. SPIRITUAL COMMENTARY Only God is our true relative, father, mother and friend in this entire universe as this sloka says : Tvameva Mata cha Pita Tvameva Tvameva Bandhuscha Sakhs Tvameva Tvameva Vidya Dravinam Tvameva Tvameva Sarvam Mama Deva deva Everything else and every other relationship we hold in the material world is transitory. One cant predict the tricks our mind plays. Even the closest of friends can become worst enemies with time. Our own kith and kins may become our worst foes.Our own relatives may ditch us when we need them the most! Even a slight misunderstanding can create a valley of gap between true lovers! So whom can we trust in this mortal world?? The ironic truth is we can trust no one else but ONLY GOD!!GOD IS THE ONLY PERMANENT SOURCE OF HAPPINESS AND LOVE!We have come from God, we are a spark of His Glory; we are a wave of that Ocean of Bliss; and we will get peace only when we again merge in Him. If we place complete faith in the Lord at all times, we will receive His Grace. Grace takes away the pain of Karma. Only the Lord/Guru can save man completely from Karma. Manikantan -------------------------------- Dear Sadaks, There is NO such thing you and me. When you believe there is you and me then it is Dwaitham and ignorance. If you belive that you are one with God then there is no you and me. sant Tukaram in Abang sang that " Oh Bagavan there is NO two things as you and me " . Prahalad sang same, as such he saw Bagavan Narayana in fire, water, in space and in everyting including in his father. So we belong to that Paramathuma. B.Sathyanarayan ------------------------------- Only the soul is ours. Everything else is maya or an illusion. Hari Shanker Deo ------------------------------- GUIDELINES FOR POSTING A RESPONSE: 1. The group is focused on the Holy Gitaji, therefore, responses which further clarify the understanding of Gitaji, will be the area of focus. 2. Making reference of Gitaji shloka is highly encouraged. Wherever possible, please quote Gitaji or other scriptures. 3. Please be as concise and to the point, addressing only the subject at hand, thus respecting sadhaka's time. Please limit response to half a book page (3-4 paragraphs). 4. Kindly limit personal feelings, opinions, beliefs etc. to the extent that they further help in understanding the Gita shlokas 5. Please do not include links to the other sites or other organizations (we do not have the bandwidth to review links to determine if content is appropriate for distribution). 6. Complete reproduction of texts from any book is strongly discouraged, however partial cut - paste is acceptable and references may be made of the book or author(but not links to sites). 7. Kindly do not include personal information - phone #, address etc. 8. Please use appropriate judgement and only address the response to a particular individual, where it makes sense to do so. 9. Due to the large readership, only those responses will be posted which are in line with the general philosophy of taking Shrimad Bhagavad Gita as the reference. 10. Moderator will reject any content that does not meet guidelines. However, for expediency, moderator at his discretion, may modify / delete portions of the posting deemed irrelevant to the core discussion (e.g. personal information, opinions / feelings etc.) 11. Please respond taking into consideration the novices, youth, westerners, non-sectarian audience. Kindly limit the use of only Sanskrit words, rather provide the English word with Sanskrit bracketed wherever possible. 12. Any personal remarks over the knowledge of any sadhak or about the stage at which any sadhak is standing in his quest / sadhna / spiritual journey - must not be included in your posting. Also, there should not be any sarcasm towards fellow sadhaks in this spiritual learning and sharing. GITA TALK MODERATOR Ram Ram Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 6, 2008 Report Share Posted November 6, 2008 shree hari ram ram A COUPLE OF EXTRA EMAILS TODAY... DUE TO ADMINISTRATION. Gita Talk Moderator, Ram Ram - Question: Who do we believe is our own? Does Gita specifically, clearly and concretely say who? which verses (shlokas)? In Hindi Apnaa kisse maane? Gita ne iske baare mein saaf saaf bataayaa hai? Kaunse shloka mein? [RAMCHANDRA] ------------------------------- Thats very ultimate reply from shashikala jee jee jee " sirf bhagvan hi apne hain, apan sirf bhagvan ke hain sansar apna nahi hai, apan sansar ke nahi hai " " Only Bhagvan is mine, I am only Bhagvan's The world is not mine, I am not of the world. " Thats really to be conceived Thanx Raja Gurdasani -------------------------------- Believe your own self ultimately dont wait someone to come and lift you up. one's own deeds would be guide to one's upwardness of life and happiness.this is exactly what krishna told arjuna. after the decision to war or not finally was in the hands of arjuna. when arjuna assented all forces came to his support and all were waiting for that to help. The chief sloka is " uddharedatmana atmanam na atmanam avasadayet. " is Krishna to Arjuna. when you style your self with confidence and hope and optimism whole world looks supremely pleasing rather you can inspire others in the que. A atmaivabhut vijanatah. In Lalita Sahasranama also hayagriva advised in the names to Lalita 'svatamarama and sudhasmrutih meaning devi is happy always in her self and it is also owing to the sudha(Happy) smrutih, memories she nurtured always although there are several unpleasant and disagreeable happenings. " atamiava bandhuh atamanah na atmanam vyavasadayet. " Self is a relative to one's own self " thamat yudhyasva bharata. " So care for self and all will automatically be correct is krishna's message. Work activity keeps us happy and for that we train ourselves to that expectation. sri ram prabhakar C.L. ------------------------------- ------------------------------- Jay Shree Krishna First and the foremost, the one you consider your own, what must he be like? One must contemplate on this point. 1. He who can remain with us forever (eternally) 2. After meeting Him, there is not need for anything else. Gitaji says " Mamevaanso Jivaloke: (Gita 15:7). Only Prabhu (Paramatma, God) is our very own. And in connection with Prabhu, it comes in the words of saints, that Only Prabhu and His Loving Saints / Devotees, are ours. In reality after attaining Prabhu, from a worldly perspective there are two, however, as such, there is Only You and You alone. There is only Prabhu (God, Paramatama). Jay Shree Krishna Prabhu....!! IN HINDI Sabase pahale Aapna jisako mane ,vah kaisa hona chahiye? is baat par vichar karna chahiye. 1. jo sada hamare sath rah sakta ho. 2. jiske milneke baad dusari koi chij ki jarurat na ho. Gitaji me to " Maivanso jivloke " ....hamare keval Prabhu hi hai.Aur Prabhu ke nate sant-vani me aata hai ki Ek prabhu aur Prabhu ke pyare sant-jan hi hamare hai. Vastvame Prabhu ko pane ke baad ,dikhane bhar ko do hai...varana ek tu hi tu .....Prabhu hi hai... Jay Shree Krishna Prabhu....!! Rameshji ------------------------------ Jai Hanuman No one Jee ! No one!! Except Daddy, the Great- Paramatma. MAMAIVAANSHO JEEV LOKE, JEEVBHOOTAH SANATANAH (B G 15:7) Neither your body, nor mind/ego/intellect are yours what to say of kith and kin, worldly possessions !! SANSAAR SAATHI SAB SWAARTH KE HAIN, PUCCE VIRODHI PARAMARTHA KE HAIN. SUR NAR MUNI SABKI YAH REETI, SWAARATH LAABH KARE SAB PREETI HETU RAHIT JAG JUG UPKAARI, TUM TUMHAAR SEVAK ASURAARI All the people ( relatives etc) are selfish and act as obstacles to your ultimate goal. Demi Gods, humans, sages all have one custom only- they love you only for their selfish reasons. Only two people do " selfless " service - One God Himself , Two- The devotees of God (saadhaks). Said Mirabaai MERE TO GIRDHAR GOPAAL , DOOSARO NA KOI Only God is mine. No body else is mine Namaste Jee Jee Jee Shashikala --- Once an old man was travelling by train on a pilgrimage to Brindavan. At night, whilst he was asleep, his wallet fell from his pocket. A co-passenger found it the next morning and enquired as to whom the wallet belonged. The old man said it was his. A picture of Sri Krishna inside the wallet was proof that the wallet really belonged to him. The old man then began to relate the story of the wallet. He soon had a group of eager listeners around him. Lifting up the purse for all to see, the old man said: This purse has a long history behind it. My father gave it to me years ago when I was a mere schoolboy. I kept my little pocket money in it and also a photograph of my parents. Years passed. I grew up and began studying at university. Like every youth, I became conscious of my appearance. I replaced my parents¡¯ photograph with that of my own and I would look at it often. I had become my own admirer. Then came marriage. Self-admiration gave way to the consciousness of a family. Out went my own picture and I replaced it with that of my wife¡¯s. During the day I would open the wallet many times and gaze at the picture. All tiredness vanished and I would resume my work with enthusiasm. Then came the birth of my first child. What a joy I experienced when I became a father! I would eagerly rush home after work to play with my little baby. Needless to say, my wife¡¯s picture had already made way for the child's. The old man paused. Wiping his tearful eyes, he looked around and said in a sad voice: Friends, my parents passed away long ago. My wife too died five years ago. My son- my only son- is now married. He is too busy with his career and his family. He has no time for me. I now stand on the brink of death. I do not know what awaits me in future. Everything I loved, everything I considered my own, has left me. A picture of Lord Krishna now occupies the place in my wallet. I know He will never leave me. I wish now that I had kept HIS picture with me right from the beginning! He alone is true; all others are just passing shadows. SPIRITUAL COMMENTARY Only God is our true relative, father, mother and friend in this entire universe as this sloka says : Tvameva Mata cha Pita Tvameva Tvameva Bandhuscha Sakhs Tvameva Tvameva Vidya Dravinam Tvameva Tvameva Sarvam Mama Deva deva Everything else and every other relationship we hold in the material world is transitory. One cant predict the tricks our mind plays. Even the closest of friends can become worst enemies with time. Our own kith and kins may become our worst foes.Our own relatives may ditch us when we need them the most! Even a slight misunderstanding can create a valley of gap between true lovers! So whom can we trust in this mortal world?? The ironic truth is we can trust no one else but ONLY GOD!!GOD IS THE ONLY PERMANENT SOURCE OF HAPPINESS AND LOVE!We have come from God, we are a spark of His Glory; we are a wave of that Ocean of Bliss; and we will get peace only when we again merge in Him. If we place complete faith in the Lord at all times, we will receive His Grace. Grace takes away the pain of Karma. Only the Lord/Guru can save man completely from Karma. Manikantan -------------------------------- Dear Sadaks, There is NO such thing you and me. When you believe there is you and me then it is Dwaitham and ignorance. If you belive that you are one with God then there is no you and me. sant Tukaram in Abang sang that " Oh Bagavan there is NO two things as you and me " . Prahalad sang same, as such he saw Bagavan Narayana in fire, water, in space and in everyting including in his father. So we belong to that Paramathuma. B.Sathyanarayan ------------------------------- Only the soul is ours. Everything else is maya or an illusion. Hari Shanker Deo ------------------------------- GUIDELINES FOR POSTING A RESPONSE: 1. The group is focused on the Holy Gitaji, therefore, responses which further clarify the understanding of Gitaji, will be the area of focus. 2. Making reference of Gitaji shloka is highly encouraged. Wherever possible, please quote Gitaji or other scriptures. 3. Please be as concise and to the point, addressing only the subject at hand, thus respecting sadhaka's time. Please limit response to half a book page (3-4 paragraphs). 4. Kindly limit personal feelings, opinions, beliefs etc. to the extent that they further help in understanding the Gita shlokas 5. Please do not include links to the other sites or other organizations (we do not have the bandwidth to review links to determine if content is appropriate for distribution). 6. Complete reproduction of texts from any book is strongly discouraged, however partial cut - paste is acceptable and references may be made of the book or author(but not links to sites). 7. Kindly do not include personal information - phone #, address etc. 8. Please use appropriate judgement and only address the response to a particular individual, where it makes sense to do so. 9. Due to the large readership, only those responses will be posted which are in line with the general philosophy of taking Shrimad Bhagavad Gita as the reference. 10. Moderator will reject any content that does not meet guidelines. However, for expediency, moderator at his discretion, may modify / delete portions of the posting deemed irrelevant to the core discussion (e.g. personal information, opinions / feelings etc.) 11. Please respond taking into consideration the novices, youth, westerners, non-sectarian audience. Kindly limit the use of only Sanskrit words, rather provide the English word with Sanskrit bracketed wherever possible. 12. Any personal remarks over the knowledge of any sadhak or about the stage at which any sadhak is standing in his quest / sadhna / spiritual journey - must not be included in your posting. Also, there should not be any sarcasm towards fellow sadhaks in this spiritual learning and sharing. GITA TALK MODERATOR Ram Ram Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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