Guest guest Posted November 22, 2008 Report Share Posted November 22, 2008 ------------------------ Post message: Subscribe: - Un: - ------------------------ QUESTION Priy Sadhak Vrand, I wish to invite your precious comments, thoughts on deep seer. The one who is in every ones chetna (consciousness), Sakshi (witness), SAT (Existence) CHIT (Consciousness) GHAN ANAND (Bliss) SWAROOP (very self, nature). Having chetan (this illumination) in every jeev (being) why one is not happy & can't realize. Thanx Raja Gurdasani ---------------------------- NEW POSTING Because ... " Having chetan (this illumination) in every jeev (being) " has remained just an idea, a notion, a superstition borrowed from a reverentially accepted source putting no effort to digest to appreciate what it could ever mean really. Respects. Naga Narayana. ----------------------------- Dear sadhaks, Gnana (Real Knowledge) is like a seed in sand called Mind it should be sprinkled with water called sadhana (spiritual disciplines) to sprout out of sand to see the Sun (God). If seed is kept out of reach of sand and water how it will sprout? So we are like seeds and every one has one. Like a cover over child in mothers womb agnana (ignorance) is keeping us away from gnana (knolwedge), the ultimate truth. Hari Om Shiva Kumar Shapur ------------------------------- Dear Sadaks, Chetana means living matter. Achetana is nonliving things like stone does not move. Sakshi (Witnessing) is Jeevathuma (Embodied soul) and 5 sheets of Indriya layers (Auras) knows everything being done and witneses cause and effect. Sat (Real, Truth) is non-destructable that is Athuman - Self or Soul(Bagavan says cannot be destroyed by fire, water, or by anything. Conscience is Budhi tells you right and wrong. Ghan Anand is realization due to Gynana (True knowledge). Only after realization the Jeeva (embodied soul) understands that it` s Swaroop (self) is one with Bagavan (God). The Jeeva knows these. Having known these it is trying to attain the state of Anandham (Bliss). The happiness said is not real. Happiness opposite is sorrow, gains opposite loss, health opposite diseases, and so on. But there is no opposite of Anand (bliss). The happiness that one experiences are temporary. Ex: Very good amicable wife. Husband is happy. But she falls sick happiness gone. She recovers happiness manifests. This interupted happiness that Jeeva experiences is disliked, and quest for permanent happiness is sought, thereby Jeeva is unhappy. Jai Sri Krishna baiya sathyanarayan ---------------------------- GITA TALK GROUP GUIDELINES: 1. Purpose of the group is to help Sadhakas clarify their doubts related to Gitaji shalokas. Therefore, responses which further clarify the understanding of Gitaji, will only be posted. 2. Wherever possible, please quote Gitaji or other scriptures to substantiate your response. 3. Kindly limit personal feelings, opinions, beliefs etc. to the extent that they further help in understanding the Gita shlokas 4. Please be as concise and to the point as possible, respecting sadhaka's time. 5. Kindly focus your writing to the subject at hand only. 6. Please do not include links to the other sites or other organizations. 7. Kindly do not include your personal information such as phone number, address etc. 8. Please do not address the response to a particular individual since the message is going to the entire group. 9. Due to the large readership, all responses may not be posted. 10. Moderator at his discretion, may modify the posting, if content is unclear or not appropriate for distribution to the group. 11. Please respond taking into consideration the novices, youth, westerners, non-sectarian audience. Kindly limit the use to Sanskrit words only, rather provide the English word with Sanskrit bracketed wherever possible. MODERATOR Ram Ram Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 23, 2008 Report Share Posted November 23, 2008 ------------------------ Post message: Subscribe: - Un: - ------------------------ QUESTION Priy Sadhak Vrand, I wish to invite your precious comments, thoughts on deep seer. The one who is in every ones chetna (consciousness), Sakshi (witness), SAT (Existence) CHIT (Consciousness) GHAN ANAND (Bliss) SWAROOP (very self, nature). Having chetan (this illumination) in every jeev (being) why one is not happy & can't realize. Thanx Raja Gurdasani ---------------------------- NEW POSTING Hari Om Jeeva is not happy merely because it inspite of being permanent seeks happiness in temporary. That I should exist for ever, I should never die - this is desire for SAT. Jeeva is not happy because it wants to exist with this body ! Body changes! That I should know everything- this is desire of CHIT. Jeeva is not happy because it attempts to gain that knowledge which is worldly. Knowledge changes! That I should always be happy, never sorrowful- this is desire for ANANDA. Jeeva is not happy because it seeks happiness in the temporary world and worldly things. World changes. Jai Shree Krishna Vyas N B -------------------------- We notice that our ego always speculates the impossible. Even if 99 people admired your some action, you get all irritation in one man's unwilling to admire you. Why? The stupid and aimless mind searches for the unpleasant irritation only as if more interested (yet it is not!) - how paradox is our nature! Self-realisation is being Self-alert, the label for the ever alert nature of an extraordinary person. There is no cause and effect relationship between Self-Realisation and unhappiness. Realised people also bereave, they also get happy news; they watch them as they come and go. We, as yet unrealised souls, get depressed or excited by them; we are dependEnt. In reality there is no victim, we feel victimised. Good thing and bad thingS do happen; they do not happen for anyone, they do not intend to be anybody's. Vulnerable mind owns them as one's own happy incident and one's own unhappy incident. This 'mamakara' has to be noticed by the wise, alert consciousness whose nature is identified with a realised state. prabhu shastry ---------------------------- PRIOR POSTING Because ... " Having chetan (this illumination) in every jeev (being) " has remained just an idea, a notion, a superstition borrowed from a reverentially accepted source putting no effort to digest to appreciate what it could ever mean really. Respects. Naga Narayana. ----------------------------- Dear sadhaks, Gnana (Real Knowledge) is like a seed in sand called Mind it should be sprinkled with water called sadhana (spiritual disciplines) to sprout out of sand to see the Sun (God). If seed is kept out of reach of sand and water how it will sprout? So we are like seeds and every one has one. Like a cover over child in mothers womb agnana (ignorance) is keeping us away from gnana (knolwedge), the ultimate truth. Hari Om Shiva Kumar Shapur ------------------------------- Dear Sadaks, Chetana means living matter. Achetana is nonliving things like stone does not move. Sakshi (Witnessing) is Jeevathuma (Embodied soul) and 5 sheets of Indriya layers (Auras) knows everything being done and witneses cause and effect. Sat (Real, Truth) is non-destructable that is Athuman - Self or Soul(Bagavan says cannot be destroyed by fire, water, or by anything. Conscience is Budhi tells you right and wrong. Ghan Anand is realization due to Gynana (True knowledge). Only after realization the Jeeva (embodied soul) understands that it` s Swaroop (self) is one with Bagavan (God). The Jeeva knows these. Having known these it is trying to attain the state of Anandham (Bliss). The happiness said is not real. Happiness opposite is sorrow, gains opposite loss, health opposite diseases, and so on. But there is no opposite of Anand (bliss). The happiness that one experiences are temporary. Ex: Very good amicable wife. Husband is happy. But she falls sick happiness gone. She recovers happiness manifests. This interupted happiness that Jeeva experiences is disliked, and quest for permanent happiness is sought, thereby Jeeva is unhappy. Jai Sri Krishna baiya sathyanarayan ---------------------------- GITA TALK GROUP GUIDELINES: 1. Purpose of the group is to help Sadhakas clarify their doubts related to Gitaji shalokas. Therefore, responses which further clarify the understanding of Gitaji, will only be posted. 2. Wherever possible, please quote Gitaji or other scriptures to substantiate your response. 3. Kindly limit personal feelings, opinions, beliefs etc. to the extent that they further help in understanding the Gita shlokas 4. Please be as concise and to the point as possible, respecting sadhaka's time. 5. Kindly focus your writing to the subject at hand only. 6. Please do not include links to the other sites or other organizations. 7. Kindly do not include your personal information such as phone number, address etc. 8. Please do not address the response to a particular individual since the message is going to the entire group. 9. Due to the large readership, all responses may not be posted. 10. Moderator at his discretion, may modify the posting, if content is unclear or not appropriate for distribution to the group. 11. Please respond taking into consideration the novices, youth, westerners, non-sectarian audience. Kindly limit the use to Sanskrit words only, rather provide the English word with Sanskrit bracketed wherever possible. MODERATOR Ram Ram Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 24, 2008 Report Share Posted November 24, 2008 ------------------------ Post message: Subscribe: - Un: - ------------------------ QUESTION Priy Sadhak Vrand, I wish to invite your precious comments, thoughts on deep seer. The one who is in every ones chetna (consciousness), Sakshi (witness), SAT (Existence) CHIT (Consciousness) GHAN ANAND (Bliss) SWAROOP (very self, nature). Having chetan (this illumination) in every jeev (being) why one is not happy & can't realize. Thanx Raja Gurdasani ---------------------------- NEW POSTING NEW POSTING Shree Hari Ram Ram The Self (Swayam) is Existence (Real, Eternal, Truth), therefore there is no question of Self being unhappy? When the Self, through it's assumed affinity with the mind, blends with it, then it appears as though the unhappiness is in the Self. However, even at that moment, it (unhappiness) is not in the Self. Please kindly read Sadhak Sanjivani Verse Gita 13:31, in English page 1507, one more time. Vineet Sarvottam IN HINDI Swayam sat hai, atah, swayam kaa dukhi honekaa prashna hi nahin hai. Sukh aur Dukh mana ko hote hai, swayam ko nahin. Jab swayam, mana ke saath tadaatmai kar letaah hai, toh dukh swayam mein lagtaa hai. Swayam mein hotaa toh tab bhi nahin hai. Kripayaa Sadhak Sanjivani shloka Gita 13:31, page 884 (hindi), ek baar phir se samajh le. Vineet Sarvottam --------------------------- Namasthe all, this is my humble opinion. Whatever we feel whether its happy or any other feeling is all the play of that Supreme Divine. It is ok to feel whatever you feel, but once we try to remember that everything is the play of the Divinity, we feel that whatever we are going through is only temporary but our inner self will be in that depth of peace irrespective of whatever happens. Regards, Bharathi ------------------------------ hari om Ans to the subject is so simple..... The education system (not only the academic, but from parents, friends etc) through out the world teaches about the objects around us. People are made to understand that all the good things in the earth are made by man. All the scientific and technological inventions are of man's findings. We are given the education about the great people, we study the books related to their discovoeries, inventions etc. We very interestingly study the books written by such people themselves about themselves, (their 'self'') We fail to understand that one cannot write about his 'self' as the 'self' cannot and does not have any 'story' or 'his-story' . People are very interestingly study about the books written by such scientists, authors, warriors etc and wander in dream all over to become man like such people. While somebody wants to become Albert Einstien, some body wants to become Alexander, somebody wants to become Isaac Neuton and some else dreaming becoming Bin Ladan. When the subjects studied and the subjects taught are pertaining to the matter/object/thing, the thinking and the work of man get limited to these things/objects/matter. He is not able to think beyond these things. There is no system of teaching the student about the subject, that is, about the student. In other words, the first teachings should be about the student. The student should start studying about himself. Since the education system is fully objective, we search for happiness in objects. The study should be subjective, then you start searching happiness in the subjects. When one starts studying about himself, he starts knowing about himself and starts getting happiness. So the things to be studied are not outside but within him. Just start studying yourself, you will start getting happiness. Things/matter/objects or DRISHYA PRAPANCHA cannot provide man the happiness, contrary, it is enough to give all sorts of sorrows. As far as the self-studying is not involved in the process of acquiring knowledge, man will search happiness in the outside world, is the reason he is not able to realise. Hari Omm vijayan Hari Om Just one example about the study of things outside us............ In the secondary education level, students are taught that we should not keep drinking water in aluminium pots. When water is kept in aluminium pot for about four/five hours, in the bottom of the pot, a white layer is appeared, which is harmful to stomach/body. We should not use aluminium pots for cooking food and specially we should not use aluminium while using tomato, tamrind or such sour things, as it will create aluminium oxide. This aluminium oxide when reaches stomach, it will create constipation. Prolonged constipation will/may lead to become ulcer and ulcer will lead to even cancer..... This inference reached by the science very scientifically after number of researches. This is taught by teachers to the students. Studying this, the students become engineers, doctors, MBAs, specialists, agriculturists, business man, industrialists etc. My confusion is, this scientifically arrived inference, when systematically taught to the students, even after becoming engineers and doctors, scientists etc., why still in the kitchens of all these people, including the teacher and the students, all the pots are still remains of Aluminium. Why not at least the teachers throw away the aluminium pots from kitchens. ..... Can any body clarify this.... This is the best reasoning for the reason we are not happy and cannot realise. Hari om Vijayan ------------------------------- Namaste. Geeta says: Similar to the Sun (Spirituality) in the cloudy sky (short term material pursuit). You need to remove the cloud or make effords to fly over the clouds. Inner illumination through meditations is more important for long term Bliss. Kind regards, Dr BalMukund Bhala. ----------------------------- PRIOR POSTING Hari Om Jeeva is not happy merely because it inspite of being permanent seeks happiness in temporary. That I should exist for ever, I should never die - this is desire for SAT. Jeeva is not happy because it wants to exist with this body ! Body changes! That I should know everything- this is desire of CHIT. Jeeva is not happy because it attempts to gain that knowledge which is worldly. Knowledge changes! That I should always be happy, never sorrowful- this is desire for ANANDA. Jeeva is not happy because it seeks happiness in the temporary world and worldly things. World changes. Jai Shree Krishna Vyas N B -------------------------- We notice that our ego always speculates the impossible. Even if 99 people admired your some action, you get all irritation in one man's unwilling to admire you. Why? The stupid and aimless mind searches for the unpleasant irritation only as if more interested (yet it is not!) - how paradox is our nature! Self-realisation is being Self-alert, the label for the ever alert nature of an extraordinary person. There is no cause and effect relationship between Self-Realisation and unhappiness. Realised people also bereave, they also get happy news; they watch them as they come and go. We, as yet unrealised souls, get depressed or excited by them; we are dependEnt. In reality there is no victim, we feel victimised. Good thing and bad thingS do happen; they do not happen for anyone, they do not intend to be anybody's. Vulnerable mind owns them as one's own happy incident and one's own unhappy incident. This 'mamakara' has to be noticed by the wise, alert consciousness whose nature is identified with a realised state. prabhu shastry ---------------------------- PRIOR POSTING Because ... " Having chetan (this illumination) in every jeev (being) " has remained just an idea, a notion, a superstition borrowed from a reverentially accepted source putting no effort to digest to appreciate what it could ever mean really. Respects. Naga Narayana. ----------------------------- Dear sadhaks, Gnana (Real Knowledge) is like a seed in sand called Mind it should be sprinkled with water called sadhana (spiritual disciplines) to sprout out of sand to see the Sun (God). If seed is kept out of reach of sand and water how it will sprout? So we are like seeds and every one has one. Like a cover over child in mothers womb agnana (ignorance) is keeping us away from gnana (knolwedge), the ultimate truth. Hari Om Shiva Kumar Shapur ------------------------------- Dear Sadaks, Chetana means living matter. Achetana is nonliving things like stone does not move. Sakshi (Witnessing) is Jeevathuma (Embodied soul) and 5 sheets of Indriya layers (Auras) knows everything being done and witneses cause and effect. Sat (Real, Truth) is non-destructable that is Athuman - Self or Soul(Bagavan says cannot be destroyed by fire, water, or by anything. Conscience is Budhi tells you right and wrong. Ghan Anand is realization due to Gynana (True knowledge). Only after realization the Jeeva (embodied soul) understands that it` s Swaroop (self) is one with Bagavan (God). The Jeeva knows these. Having known these it is trying to attain the state of Anandham (Bliss). The happiness said is not real. Happiness opposite is sorrow, gains opposite loss, health opposite diseases, and so on. But there is no opposite of Anand (bliss). The happiness that one experiences are temporary. Ex: Very good amicable wife. Husband is happy. But she falls sick happiness gone. She recovers happiness manifests. This interupted happiness that Jeeva experiences is disliked, and quest for permanent happiness is sought, thereby Jeeva is unhappy. Jai Sri Krishna baiya sathyanarayan ---------------------------- GITA TALK GROUP GUIDELINES: 1. Purpose of the group is to help Sadhakas clarify their doubts related to Gitaji shalokas. Therefore, responses which further clarify the understanding of Gitaji, will only be posted. 2. Wherever possible, please quote Gitaji or other scriptures to substantiate your response. 3. Kindly limit personal feelings, opinions, beliefs etc. to the extent that they further help in understanding the Gita shlokas 4. Please be as concise and to the point as possible, respecting sadhaka's time. 5. Kindly focus your writing to the subject at hand only. 6. Please do not include links to the other sites or other organizations. 7. Kindly do not include your personal information such as phone number, address etc. 8. Please do not address the response to a particular individual since the message is going to the entire group. 9. Due to the large readership, all responses may not be posted. 10. Moderator at his discretion, may modify the posting, if content is unclear or not appropriate for distribution to the group. 11. Please respond taking into consideration the novices, youth, westerners, non-sectarian audience. Kindly limit the use to Sanskrit words only, rather provide the English word with Sanskrit bracketed wherever possible. MODERATOR Ram Ram Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 25, 2008 Report Share Posted November 25, 2008 ------------------------ Post message: Subscribe: - Un: - ------------------------ QUESTION Priy Sadhak Vrand, I wish to invite your precious comments, thoughts on deep seer. The one who is in every ones chetna (consciousness), Sakshi (witness), SAT (Existence) CHIT (Consciousness) GHAN ANAND (Bliss) SWAROOP (very self, nature). Having chetan (this illumination) in every jeev (being) why one is not happy & can't realize. Thanx Raja Gurdasani ---------------------------- NEW POSTING Nothing in this world can make us happy. Once we realise this, the cause of our unhappiness will be gone. Everything in this world is maya or an illusion and the more entangled we will be with worldly things, the more unhappy we will be. We can calm our minds only through sadhna (spiritual practices), sewa (serving others), satsang (association with Truth, Holy company) and dhyan (medition) in which we become one with our true self. Only then will we be able to be dispassionate about any situation. Hari Shanker Deo ------------------------------ Friends, Why one is not happy? 1) If the question is' why I am not happy' ,there is still hope of finding the causes and eliminating the same one by one.Wrong question leads to wrong and useless answer. 2)Gita is full of reasons for unhappiness and means to overcome the same. 3)One may refer to verses:- a. 62 & 63 of 2nd chapter regarding always thinking about materialistic objects(vishay) and consequences of the same (Gita 2:63 and Gita 2:64) b. Verse 69 of 2nd chapter which says except for restrained (sanyami) person ,god is like night to every one. (Gita 2:69) c. Verse 37 of 3rd chapter about desires an anger (Gita 3:37) d. verse 34 of 6th chapter about mind being fickle and restless and ways to control mind (Gita 6:34) e. verses 7 to 21 of 16th chapter may please be refered to know the reasons of unhappiness. (Gita 16:7-21) Gita is full of solutions also but that comes only after understanding the causes of unhappiness. Studying Gita daily as a routine is the shortest possible solution to unhappiness in life. Three/four readings in 3/4 months will enable the heart to open to the meaning of Gita.It is a divine song. Only when heart starts graspnig and understanding the intent of Bhagwan Krishna as mentioned in Gita, one will be full of joy irrespective of the situations and circumstances best wishes Ashok Jain ---------------------------- PRIOR POSTING Shree Hari Ram Ram The Self (Swayam) is Existence (Real, Eternal, Truth), therefore there is no question of Self being unhappy? When the Self, through it's assumed affinity with the mind, blends with it, then it appears as though the unhappiness is in the Self. However, even at that moment, it (unhappiness) is not in the Self. Please kindly read Sadhak Sanjivani Verse Gita 13:31, in English page 1507, one more time. Vineet Sarvottam IN HINDI Swayam sat hai, atah, swayam kaa dukhi honekaa prashna hi nahin hai. Sukh aur Dukh mana ko hote hai, swayam ko nahin. Jab swayam, mana ke saath tadaatmai kar letaah hai, toh dukh swayam mein lagtaa hai. Swayam mein hotaa toh tab bhi nahin hai. Kripayaa Sadhak Sanjivani shloka Gita 13:31, page 884 (hindi), ek baar phir se samajh le. Vineet Sarvottam --------------------------- Namasthe all, this is my humble opinion. Whatever we feel whether its happy or any other feeling is all the play of that Supreme Divine. It is ok to feel whatever you feel, but once we try to remember that everything is the play of the Divinity, we feel that whatever we are going through is only temporary but our inner self will be in that depth of peace irrespective of whatever happens. Regards, Bharathi ------------------------------ hari om Ans to the subject is so simple..... The education system (not only the academic, but from parents, friends etc) through out the world teaches about the objects around us. People are made to understand that all the good things in the earth are made by man. All the scientific and technological inventions are of man's findings. We are given the education about the great people, we study the books related to their discovoeries, inventions etc. We very interestingly study the books written by such people themselves about themselves, (their 'self'') We fail to understand that one cannot write about his 'self' as the 'self' cannot and does not have any 'story' or 'his-story' . People are very interestingly study about the books written by such scientists, authors, warriors etc and wander in dream all over to become man like such people. While somebody wants to become Albert Einstien, some body wants to become Alexander, somebody wants to become Isaac Neuton and some else dreaming becoming Bin Ladan. When the subjects studied and the subjects taught are pertaining to the matter/object/thing, the thinking and the work of man get limited to these things/objects/matter. He is not able to think beyond these things. There is no system of teaching the student about the subject, that is, about the student. In other words, the first teachings should be about the student. The student should start studying about himself. Since the education system is fully objective, we search for happiness in objects. The study should be subjective, then you start searching happiness in the subjects. When one starts studying about himself, he starts knowing about himself and starts getting happiness. So the things to be studied are not outside but within him. Just start studying yourself, you will start getting happiness. Things/matter/objects or DRISHYA PRAPANCHA cannot provide man the happiness, contrary, it is enough to give all sorts of sorrows. As far as the self-studying is not involved in the process of acquiring knowledge, man will search happiness in the outside world, is the reason he is not able to realise. Hari Omm vijayan Hari Om Just one example about the study of things outside us............ In the secondary education level, students are taught that we should not keep drinking water in aluminium pots. When water is kept in aluminium pot for about four/five hours, in the bottom of the pot, a white layer is appeared, which is harmful to stomach/body. We should not use aluminium pots for cooking food and specially we should not use aluminium while using tomato, tamrind or such sour things, as it will create aluminium oxide. This aluminium oxide when reaches stomach, it will create constipation. Prolonged constipation will/may lead to become ulcer and ulcer will lead to even cancer..... This inference reached by the science very scientifically after number of researches. This is taught by teachers to the students. Studying this, the students become engineers, doctors, MBAs, specialists, agriculturists, business man, industrialists etc. My confusion is, this scientifically arrived inference, when systematically taught to the students, even after becoming engineers and doctors, scientists etc., why still in the kitchens of all these people, including the teacher and the students, all the pots are still remains of Aluminium. Why not at least the teachers throw away the aluminium pots from kitchens. ..... Can any body clarify this.... This is the best reasoning for the reason we are not happy and cannot realise. Hari om Vijayan ------------------------------- Namaste. Geeta says: Similar to the Sun (Spirituality) in the cloudy sky (short term material pursuit). You need to remove the cloud or make effords to fly over the clouds. Inner illumination through meditations is more important for long term Bliss. Kind regards, Dr BalMukund Bhala. ----------------------------- PRIOR POSTING Hari Om Jeeva is not happy merely because it inspite of being permanent seeks happiness in temporary. That I should exist for ever, I should never die - this is desire for SAT. Jeeva is not happy because it wants to exist with this body ! Body changes! That I should know everything- this is desire of CHIT. Jeeva is not happy because it attempts to gain that knowledge which is worldly. Knowledge changes! That I should always be happy, never sorrowful- this is desire for ANANDA. Jeeva is not happy because it seeks happiness in the temporary world and worldly things. World changes. Jai Shree Krishna Vyas N B -------------------------- We notice that our ego always speculates the impossible. Even if 99 people admired your some action, you get all irritation in one man's unwilling to admire you. Why? The stupid and aimless mind searches for the unpleasant irritation only as if more interested (yet it is not!) - how paradox is our nature! Self-realisation is being Self-alert, the label for the ever alert nature of an extraordinary person. There is no cause and effect relationship between Self-Realisation and unhappiness. Realised people also bereave, they also get happy news; they watch them as they come and go. We, as yet unrealised souls, get depressed or excited by them; we are dependEnt. In reality there is no victim, we feel victimised. Good thing and bad thingS do happen; they do not happen for anyone, they do not intend to be anybody's. Vulnerable mind owns them as one's own happy incident and one's own unhappy incident. This 'mamakara' has to be noticed by the wise, alert consciousness whose nature is identified with a realised state. prabhu shastry ---------------------------- PRIOR POSTING Because ... " Having chetan (this illumination) in every jeev (being) " has remained just an idea, a notion, a superstition borrowed from a reverentially accepted source putting no effort to digest to appreciate what it could ever mean really. Respects. Naga Narayana. ----------------------------- Dear sadhaks, Gnana (Real Knowledge) is like a seed in sand called Mind it should be sprinkled with water called sadhana (spiritual disciplines) to sprout out of sand to see the Sun (God). If seed is kept out of reach of sand and water how it will sprout? So we are like seeds and every one has one. Like a cover over child in mothers womb agnana (ignorance) is keeping us away from gnana (knolwedge), the ultimate truth. Hari Om Shiva Kumar Shapur ------------------------------- Dear Sadaks, Chetana means living matter. Achetana is nonliving things like stone does not move. Sakshi (Witnessing) is Jeevathuma (Embodied soul) and 5 sheets of Indriya layers (Auras) knows everything being done and witneses cause and effect. Sat (Real, Truth) is non-destructable that is Athuman - Self or Soul(Bagavan says cannot be destroyed by fire, water, or by anything. Conscience is Budhi tells you right and wrong. Ghan Anand is realization due to Gynana (True knowledge). Only after realization the Jeeva (embodied soul) understands that it` s Swaroop (self) is one with Bagavan (God). The Jeeva knows these. Having known these it is trying to attain the state of Anandham (Bliss). The happiness said is not real. Happiness opposite is sorrow, gains opposite loss, health opposite diseases, and so on. But there is no opposite of Anand (bliss). The happiness that one experiences are temporary. Ex: Very good amicable wife. Husband is happy. But she falls sick happiness gone. She recovers happiness manifests. This interupted happiness that Jeeva experiences is disliked, and quest for permanent happiness is sought, thereby Jeeva is unhappy. Jai Sri Krishna baiya sathyanarayan ---------------------------- GITA TALK GROUP GUIDELINES: 1. Purpose of the group is to help Sadhakas clarify their doubts related to Gitaji shalokas. Therefore, responses which further clarify the understanding of Gitaji, will only be posted. 2. Wherever possible, please quote Gitaji or other scriptures to substantiate your response. 3. Kindly limit personal feelings, opinions, beliefs etc. to the extent that they further help in understanding the Gita shlokas 4. Please be as concise and to the point as possible, respecting sadhaka's time. 5. Kindly focus your writing to the subject at hand only. 6. Please do not include links to the other sites or other organizations. 7. Kindly do not include your personal information such as phone number, address etc. 8. Please do not address the response to a particular individual since the message is going to the entire group. 9. Due to the large readership, all responses may not be posted. 10. Moderator at his discretion, may modify the posting, if content is unclear or not appropriate for distribution to the group. 11. Please respond taking into consideration the novices, youth, westerners, non-sectarian audience. Kindly limit the use to Sanskrit words only, rather provide the English word with Sanskrit bracketed wherever possible. MODERATOR Ram Ram Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 28, 2008 Report Share Posted November 28, 2008 Post message: Subscribe: - Un: - ------------------------ QUESTION Priy Sadhak Vrand, I wish to invite your precious comments, thoughts on deep seer. The one who is in every ones chetna (consciousness), Sakshi (witness), SAT (Existence) CHIT (Consciousness) GHAN ANAND (Bliss) SWAROOP (very self, nature). Having chetan (this illumination) in every jeev (being) why one is not happy & can't realize. Thanx Raja Gurdasani ---------------------------- NEW POSTING Dear Sadhakas, Namaste! In the brginning, we receive the knowledge that in every Jeeva there is chetana-consciousness or that we are Sat-chit-ananda. It is simply information. Unless the information leads us to further inquire and discover for ourselves the truth contained in it, it just sits there like seeds in the ground ready to germinate. Water, fertilizer of Sadhana will make it sprout. This is one of the reasons why we cannot realize what we are! Another level hihgher than information is intellectual level, if one so inclined, which is important. Here we use mind's logical abilities by questioning everything, playing devil's advocate with scriptures, engage in Satsangs etc.. While at this level we can still be open to all paths preached in Gita or Swamiji's teachings. At some point down the road, we may realize that all efforts by mind to realize chetan tattva or consciousness is futile. Now this realization is not merely information or intellectual, if done in all ernestness. Mind is convinced of this fact. Mind only can know objects with the help of senses which are limited, and therefore cannot be my True Swarup. WHat happens to such a mind? It becomes naturally quiet to pave the way for God realization. It understands beyond any shadow of doubt that chetna is not in Jeeva, rather, jeeva is in Chetna, the only Reality of it. It knows " I was never embodied soul, rather body-mind appears in I. And Chetna is Itself eternal Sat-Chit-Ananda experience! mind-body just serves It! With this Realization, Happiness-Bliss or Wholeness(Purnatva) with no lack of any kind, eliminates all personal desires, even desire to be happy or to realize! Namaskar............Pratap Bhatt ----------------------------- Divine Atmans Happiness is not connected with the outer world because outer world is nashvar it has no permanent existence it is subject to destroyal.A man is always unsatisfied unless and until he or she surrenders himself in gods feet.If a person feels unhappy that means he has forgetten his identity as atman because material world is subject to change and for a sadhak in his sadhana he has to take it as a golden rule of gold then see the miracles that will take place in ur life so dear surrender completely in his feet for complete satifaction. For a sadhak each and every situation in his life is a examination or a situation sent by lord to become more strong dear god loves u and he alway gives u clean green signals that o son stop running behind materialistic happiness come to me i will show u the real world of wisdom and one who understands this completely becomes his devotee and surrender his entire life in his feet Jai Shri Krishna Raksh Mehra ------------------------------ PRIOR POSTING Nothing in this world can make us happy. Once we realise this, the cause of our unhappiness will be gone. Everything in this world is maya or an illusion and the more entangled we will be with worldly things, the more unhappy we will be. We can calm our minds only through sadhna (spiritual practices), sewa (serving others), satsang (association with Truth, Holy company) and dhyan (medition) in which we become one with our true self. Only then will we be able to be dispassionate about any situation. Hari Shanker Deo ------------------------------ Friends, Why one is not happy? 1) If the question is' why I am not happy' ,there is still hope of finding the causes and eliminating the same one by one.Wrong question leads to wrong and useless answer. 2)Gita is full of reasons for unhappiness and means to overcome the same. 3)One may refer to verses:- a. 62 & 63 of 2nd chapter regarding always thinking about materialistic objects(vishay) and consequences of the same (Gita 2:63 and Gita 2:64) b. Verse 69 of 2nd chapter which says except for restrained (sanyami) person ,god is like night to every one. (Gita 2:69) c. Verse 37 of 3rd chapter about desires an anger (Gita 3:37) d. verse 34 of 6th chapter about mind being fickle and restless and ways to control mind (Gita 6:34) e. verses 7 to 21 of 16th chapter may please be refered to know the reasons of unhappiness. (Gita 16:7-21) Gita is full of solutions also but that comes only after understanding the causes of unhappiness. Studying Gita daily as a routine is the shortest possible solution to unhappiness in life. Three/four readings in 3/4 months will enable the heart to open to the meaning of Gita.It is a divine song. Only when heart starts graspnig and understanding the intent of Bhagwan Krishna as mentioned in Gita, one will be full of joy irrespective of the situations and circumstances best wishes Ashok Jain ---------------------------- PRIOR POSTING Shree Hari Ram Ram The Self (Swayam) is Existence (Real, Eternal, Truth), therefore there is no question of Self being unhappy? When the Self, through it's assumed affinity with the mind, blends with it, then it appears as though the unhappiness is in the Self. However, even at that moment, it (unhappiness) is not in the Self. Please kindly read Sadhak Sanjivani Verse Gita 13:31, in English page 1507, one more time. Vineet Sarvottam IN HINDI Swayam sat hai, atah, swayam kaa dukhi honekaa prashna hi nahin hai. Sukh aur Dukh mana ko hote hai, swayam ko nahin. Jab swayam, mana ke saath tadaatmai kar letaah hai, toh dukh swayam mein lagtaa hai. Swayam mein hotaa toh tab bhi nahin hai. Kripayaa Sadhak Sanjivani shloka Gita 13:31, page 884 (hindi), ek baar phir se samajh le. Vineet Sarvottam --------------------------- Namasthe all, this is my humble opinion. Whatever we feel whether its happy or any other feeling is all the play of that Supreme Divine. It is ok to feel whatever you feel, but once we try to remember that everything is the play of the Divinity, we feel that whatever we are going through is only temporary but our inner self will be in that depth of peace irrespective of whatever happens. Regards, Bharathi ------------------------------ hari om Ans to the subject is so simple..... The education system (not only the academic, but from parents, friends etc) through out the world teaches about the objects around us. People are made to understand that all the good things in the earth are made by man. All the scientific and technological inventions are of man's findings. We are given the education about the great people, we study the books related to their discovoeries, inventions etc. We very interestingly study the books written by such people themselves about themselves, (their 'self'') We fail to understand that one cannot write about his 'self' as the 'self' cannot and does not have any 'story' or 'his-story' . People are very interestingly study about the books written by such scientists, authors, warriors etc and wander in dream all over to become man like such people. While somebody wants to become Albert Einstien, some body wants to become Alexander, somebody wants to become Isaac Neuton and some else dreaming becoming Bin Ladan. When the subjects studied and the subjects taught are pertaining to the matter/object/thing, the thinking and the work of man get limited to these things/objects/matter. He is not able to think beyond these things. There is no system of teaching the student about the subject, that is, about the student. In other words, the first teachings should be about the student. The student should start studying about himself. Since the education system is fully objective, we search for happiness in objects. The study should be subjective, then you start searching happiness in the subjects. When one starts studying about himself, he starts knowing about himself and starts getting happiness. So the things to be studied are not outside but within him. Just start studying yourself, you will start getting happiness. Things/matter/objects or DRISHYA PRAPANCHA cannot provide man the happiness, contrary, it is enough to give all sorts of sorrows. As far as the self-studying is not involved in the process of acquiring knowledge, man will search happiness in the outside world, is the reason he is not able to realise. Hari Omm vijayan Hari Om Just one example about the study of things outside us............ In the secondary education level, students are taught that we should not keep drinking water in aluminium pots. When water is kept in aluminium pot for about four/five hours, in the bottom of the pot, a white layer is appeared, which is harmful to stomach/body. We should not use aluminium pots for cooking food and specially we should not use aluminium while using tomato, tamrind or such sour things, as it will create aluminium oxide. This aluminium oxide when reaches stomach, it will create constipation. Prolonged constipation will/may lead to become ulcer and ulcer will lead to even cancer..... This inference reached by the science very scientifically after number of researches. This is taught by teachers to the students. Studying this, the students become engineers, doctors, MBAs, specialists, agriculturists, business man, industrialists etc. My confusion is, this scientifically arrived inference, when systematically taught to the students, even after becoming engineers and doctors, scientists etc., why still in the kitchens of all these people, including the teacher and the students, all the pots are still remains of Aluminium. Why not at least the teachers throw away the aluminium pots from kitchens. ..... Can any body clarify this.... This is the best reasoning for the reason we are not happy and cannot realise. Hari om Vijayan ------------------------------- Namaste. Geeta says: Similar to the Sun (Spirituality) in the cloudy sky (short term material pursuit). You need to remove the cloud or make effords to fly over the clouds. Inner illumination through meditations is more important for long term Bliss. Kind regards, Dr BalMukund Bhala. ----------------------------- PRIOR POSTING Hari Om Jeeva is not happy merely because it inspite of being permanent seeks happiness in temporary. That I should exist for ever, I should never die - this is desire for SAT. Jeeva is not happy because it wants to exist with this body ! Body changes! That I should know everything- this is desire of CHIT. Jeeva is not happy because it attempts to gain that knowledge which is worldly. Knowledge changes! That I should always be happy, never sorrowful- this is desire for ANANDA. Jeeva is not happy because it seeks happiness in the temporary world and worldly things. World changes. Jai Shree Krishna Vyas N B -------------------------- We notice that our ego always speculates the impossible. Even if 99 people admired your some action, you get all irritation in one man's unwilling to admire you. Why? The stupid and aimless mind searches for the unpleasant irritation only as if more interested (yet it is not!) - how paradox is our nature! Self-realisation is being Self-alert, the label for the ever alert nature of an extraordinary person. There is no cause and effect relationship between Self-Realisation and unhappiness. Realised people also bereave, they also get happy news; they watch them as they come and go. We, as yet unrealised souls, get depressed or excited by them; we are dependEnt. In reality there is no victim, we feel victimised. Good thing and bad thingS do happen; they do not happen for anyone, they do not intend to be anybody's. Vulnerable mind owns them as one's own happy incident and one's own unhappy incident. This 'mamakara' has to be noticed by the wise, alert consciousness whose nature is identified with a realised state. prabhu shastry ---------------------------- PRIOR POSTING Because ... " Having chetan (this illumination) in every jeev (being) " has remained just an idea, a notion, a superstition borrowed from a reverentially accepted source putting no effort to digest to appreciate what it could ever mean really. Respects. Naga Narayana. ----------------------------- Dear sadhaks, Gnana (Real Knowledge) is like a seed in sand called Mind it should be sprinkled with water called sadhana (spiritual disciplines) to sprout out of sand to see the Sun (God). If seed is kept out of reach of sand and water how it will sprout? So we are like seeds and every one has one. Like a cover over child in mothers womb agnana (ignorance) is keeping us away from gnana (knolwedge), the ultimate truth. Hari Om Shiva Kumar Shapur ------------------------------- Dear Sadaks, Chetana means living matter. Achetana is nonliving things like stone does not move. Sakshi (Witnessing) is Jeevathuma (Embodied soul) and 5 sheets of Indriya layers (Auras) knows everything being done and witneses cause and effect. Sat (Real, Truth) is non-destructable that is Athuman - Self or Soul(Bagavan says cannot be destroyed by fire, water, or by anything. Conscience is Budhi tells you right and wrong. Ghan Anand is realization due to Gynana (True knowledge). Only after realization the Jeeva (embodied soul) understands that it` s Swaroop (self) is one with Bagavan (God). The Jeeva knows these. Having known these it is trying to attain the state of Anandham (Bliss). The happiness said is not real. Happiness opposite is sorrow, gains opposite loss, health opposite diseases, and so on. But there is no opposite of Anand (bliss). The happiness that one experiences are temporary. Ex: Very good amicable wife. Husband is happy. But she falls sick happiness gone. She recovers happiness manifests. This interupted happiness that Jeeva experiences is disliked, and quest for permanent happiness is sought, thereby Jeeva is unhappy. Jai Sri Krishna baiya sathyanarayan ---------------------------- GITA TALK GROUP GUIDELINES: 1. Purpose of the group is to help Sadhakas clarify their doubts related to Gitaji shalokas. Therefore, responses which further clarify the understanding of Gitaji, will only be posted. 2. Wherever possible, please quote Gitaji or other scriptures to substantiate your response. 3. Kindly limit personal feelings, opinions, beliefs etc. to the extent that they further help in understanding the Gita shlokas 4. Please be as concise and to the point as possible, respecting sadhaka's time. 5. Kindly focus your writing to the subject at hand only. 6. Please do not include links to the other sites or other organizations. 7. Kindly do not include your personal information such as phone number, address etc. 8. Please do not address the response to a particular individual since the message is going to the entire group. 9. Due to the large readership, all responses may not be posted. 10. Moderator at his discretion, may modify the posting, if content is unclear or not appropriate for distribution to the group. 11. Please respond taking into consideration the novices, youth, westerners, non-sectarian audience. Kindly limit the use to Sanskrit words only, rather provide the English word with Sanskrit bracketed wherever possible. MODERATOR Ram Ram Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 12, 2008 Report Share Posted December 12, 2008 Shree Hari Ram Ram You will be receiving several extra postings today, to clear the pending queue. Gita Talk Moderator - QUESTION Priy Sadhak Vrand, I wish to invite your precious comments, thoughts on deep seer. The one who is in every ones chetna (consciousness), Sakshi (witness), SAT (Existence) CHIT (Consciousness) GHAN ANAND (Bliss) SWAROOP (very self, nature). Having chetan (this illumination) in every jeev (being) why one is not happy & can't realize. Thanx Raja Gurdasani ---------------------------- NEW POSTING Dear Sadaks, From body alone everything starts. Mother, father, wife etc.and also pleasures and sufferings, use of body mechanism to see, feel, imagine, crave etc. So as long as one is attached to the body, he is not happy. Take any saint, he first abandons the pleasures of the body, wealth, and detaches himself from world. One requires nothing (even body) to be happy. That is why they do not feel the sufferings of the body or body related matters. Swaroop (Self, Spirit, Atma) is Anand which they know. Our Swaroop (Self) due to affinity with the body is filled with desire, anger, jealousy etc. We only have to realize our swaroop (Self, Spirit, Consciousness). Jai Sri Krishna baiya sathyanarayan ---------------------------- PRIOR POSTING Dear Sadhakas, Namaste! In the brginning, we receive the knowledge that in every Jeeva there is chetana-consciousness or that we are Sat-chit-ananda. It is simply information. Unless the information leads us to further inquire and discover for ourselves the truth contained in it, it just sits there like seeds in the ground ready to germinate. Water, fertilizer of Sadhana will make it sprout. This is one of the reasons why we cannot realize what we are! Another level hihgher than information is intellectual level, if one so inclined, which is important. Here we use mind's logical abilities by questioning everything, playing devil's advocate with scriptures, engage in Satsangs etc.. While at this level we can still be open to all paths preached in Gita or Swamiji's teachings. At some point down the road, we may realize that all efforts by mind to realize chetan tattva or consciousness is futile. Now this realization is not merely information or intellectual, if done in all ernestness. Mind is convinced of this fact. Mind only can know objects with the help of senses which are limited, and therefore cannot be my True Swarup. WHat happens to such a mind? It becomes naturally quiet to pave the way for God realization. It understands beyond any shadow of doubt that chetna is not in Jeeva, rather, jeeva is in Chetna, the only Reality of it. It knows " I was never embodied soul, rather body-mind appears in I. And Chetna is Itself eternal Sat-Chit-Ananda experience! mind-body just serves It! With this Realization, Happiness-Bliss or Wholeness(Purnatva) with no lack of any kind, eliminates all personal desires, even desire to be happy or to realize! Namaskar............Pratap Bhatt ----------------------------- Divine Atmans Happiness is not connected with the outer world because outer world is nashvar it has no permanent existence it is subject to destroyal.A man is always unsatisfied unless and until he or she surrenders himself in gods feet.If a person feels unhappy that means he has forgetten his identity as atman because material world is subject to change and for a sadhak in his sadhana he has to take it as a golden rule of gold then see the miracles that will take place in ur life so dear surrender completely in his feet for complete satifaction. For a sadhak each and every situation in his life is a examination or a situation sent by lord to become more strong dear god loves u and he alway gives u clean green signals that o son stop running behind materialistic happiness come to me i will show u the real world of wisdom and one who understands this completely becomes his devotee and surrender his entire life in his feet Jai Shri Krishna Raksh Mehra ------------------------------ PRIOR POSTING Nothing in this world can make us happy. Once we realise this, the cause of our unhappiness will be gone. Everything in this world is maya or an illusion and the more entangled we will be with worldly things, the more unhappy we will be. We can calm our minds only through sadhna (spiritual practices), sewa (serving others), satsang (association with Truth, Holy company) and dhyan (medition) in which we become one with our true self. Only then will we be able to be dispassionate about any situation. Hari Shanker Deo ------------------------------ Friends, Why one is not happy? 1) If the question is' why I am not happy' ,there is still hope of finding the causes and eliminating the same one by one.Wrong question leads to wrong and useless answer. 2)Gita is full of reasons for unhappiness and means to overcome the same. 3)One may refer to verses:- a. 62 & 63 of 2nd chapter regarding always thinking about materialistic objects(vishay) and consequences of the same (Gita 2:63 and Gita 2:64) b. Verse 69 of 2nd chapter which says except for restrained (sanyami) person ,god is like night to every one. (Gita 2:69) c. Verse 37 of 3rd chapter about desires an anger (Gita 3:37) d. verse 34 of 6th chapter about mind being fickle and restless and ways to control mind (Gita 6:34) e. verses 7 to 21 of 16th chapter may please be refered to know the reasons of unhappiness. (Gita 16:7-21) Gita is full of solutions also but that comes only after understanding the causes of unhappiness. Studying Gita daily as a routine is the shortest possible solution to unhappiness in life. Three/four readings in 3/4 months will enable the heart to open to the meaning of Gita.It is a divine song. Only when heart starts graspnig and understanding the intent of Bhagwan Krishna as mentioned in Gita, one will be full of joy irrespective of the situations and circumstances best wishes Ashok Jain ---------------------------- PRIOR POSTING Shree Hari Ram Ram The Self (Swayam) is Existence (Real, Eternal, Truth), therefore there is no question of Self being unhappy? When the Self, through it's assumed affinity with the mind, blends with it, then it appears as though the unhappiness is in the Self. However, even at that moment, it (unhappiness) is not in the Self. Please kindly read Sadhak Sanjivani Verse Gita 13:31, in English page 1507, one more time. Vineet Sarvottam IN HINDI Swayam sat hai, atah, swayam kaa dukhi honekaa prashna hi nahin hai. Sukh aur Dukh mana ko hote hai, swayam ko nahin. Jab swayam, mana ke saath tadaatmai kar letaah hai, toh dukh swayam mein lagtaa hai. Swayam mein hotaa toh tab bhi nahin hai. Kripayaa Sadhak Sanjivani shloka Gita 13:31, page 884 (hindi), ek baar phir se samajh le. Vineet Sarvottam --------------------------- Namasthe all, this is my humble opinion. Whatever we feel whether its happy or any other feeling is all the play of that Supreme Divine. It is ok to feel whatever you feel, but once we try to remember that everything is the play of the Divinity, we feel that whatever we are going through is only temporary but our inner self will be in that depth of peace irrespective of whatever happens. Regards, Bharathi ------------------------------ hari om Ans to the subject is so simple..... The education system (not only the academic, but from parents, friends etc) through out the world teaches about the objects around us. People are made to understand that all the good things in the earth are made by man. All the scientific and technological inventions are of man's findings. We are given the education about the great people, we study the books related to their discovoeries, inventions etc. We very interestingly study the books written by such people themselves about themselves, (their 'self'') We fail to understand that one cannot write about his 'self' as the 'self' cannot and does not have any 'story' or 'his-story' . People are very interestingly study about the books written by such scientists, authors, warriors etc and wander in dream all over to become man like such people. While somebody wants to become Albert Einstien, some body wants to become Alexander, somebody wants to become Isaac Neuton and some else dreaming becoming Bin Ladan. When the subjects studied and the subjects taught are pertaining to the matter/object/thing, the thinking and the work of man get limited to these things/objects/matter. He is not able to think beyond these things. There is no system of teaching the student about the subject, that is, about the student. In other words, the first teachings should be about the student. The student should start studying about himself. Since the education system is fully objective, we search for happiness in objects. The study should be subjective, then you start searching happiness in the subjects. When one starts studying about himself, he starts knowing about himself and starts getting happiness. So the things to be studied are not outside but within him. Just start studying yourself, you will start getting happiness. Things/matter/objects or DRISHYA PRAPANCHA cannot provide man the happiness, contrary, it is enough to give all sorts of sorrows. As far as the self-studying is not involved in the process of acquiring knowledge, man will search happiness in the outside world, is the reason he is not able to realise. Hari Omm vijayan Hari Om Just one example about the study of things outside us............ In the secondary education level, students are taught that we should not keep drinking water in aluminium pots. When water is kept in aluminium pot for about four/five hours, in the bottom of the pot, a white layer is appeared, which is harmful to stomach/body. We should not use aluminium pots for cooking food and specially we should not use aluminium while using tomato, tamrind or such sour things, as it will create aluminium oxide. This aluminium oxide when reaches stomach, it will create constipation. Prolonged constipation will/may lead to become ulcer and ulcer will lead to even cancer..... This inference reached by the science very scientifically after number of researches. This is taught by teachers to the students. Studying this, the students become engineers, doctors, MBAs, specialists, agriculturists, business man, industrialists etc. My confusion is, this scientifically arrived inference, when systematically taught to the students, even after becoming engineers and doctors, scientists etc., why still in the kitchens of all these people, including the teacher and the students, all the pots are still remains of Aluminium. Why not at least the teachers throw away the aluminium pots from kitchens. ..... Can any body clarify this.... This is the best reasoning for the reason we are not happy and cannot realise. Hari om Vijayan ------------------------------- Namaste. Geeta says: Similar to the Sun (Spirituality) in the cloudy sky (short term material pursuit). You need to remove the cloud or make effords to fly over the clouds. Inner illumination through meditations is more important for long term Bliss. Kind regards, Dr BalMukund Bhala. ----------------------------- PRIOR POSTING Hari Om Jeeva is not happy merely because it inspite of being permanent seeks happiness in temporary. That I should exist for ever, I should never die - this is desire for SAT. Jeeva is not happy because it wants to exist with this body ! Body changes! That I should know everything- this is desire of CHIT. Jeeva is not happy because it attempts to gain that knowledge which is worldly. Knowledge changes! That I should always be happy, never sorrowful- this is desire for ANANDA. Jeeva is not happy because it seeks happiness in the temporary world and worldly things. World changes. Jai Shree Krishna Vyas N B -------------------------- We notice that our ego always speculates the impossible. Even if 99 people admired your some action, you get all irritation in one man's unwilling to admire you. Why? The stupid and aimless mind searches for the unpleasant irritation only as if more interested (yet it is not!) - how paradox is our nature! Self-realisation is being Self-alert, the label for the ever alert nature of an extraordinary person. There is no cause and effect relationship between Self-Realisation and unhappiness. Realised people also bereave, they also get happy news; they watch them as they come and go. We, as yet unrealised souls, get depressed or excited by them; we are dependEnt. In reality there is no victim, we feel victimised. Good thing and bad thingS do happen; they do not happen for anyone, they do not intend to be anybody's. Vulnerable mind owns them as one's own happy incident and one's own unhappy incident. This 'mamakara' has to be noticed by the wise, alert consciousness whose nature is identified with a realised state. prabhu shastry ---------------------------- PRIOR POSTING Because ... " Having chetan (this illumination) in every jeev (being) " has remained just an idea, a notion, a superstition borrowed from a reverentially accepted source putting no effort to digest to appreciate what it could ever mean really. Respects. Naga Narayana. ----------------------------- Dear sadhaks, Gnana (Real Knowledge) is like a seed in sand called Mind it should be sprinkled with water called sadhana (spiritual disciplines) to sprout out of sand to see the Sun (God). If seed is kept out of reach of sand and water how it will sprout? So we are like seeds and every one has one. Like a cover over child in mothers womb agnana (ignorance) is keeping us away from gnana (knolwedge), the ultimate truth. Hari Om Shiva Kumar Shapur ------------------------------- Dear Sadaks, Chetana means living matter. Achetana is nonliving things like stone does not move. Sakshi (Witnessing) is Jeevathuma (Embodied soul) and 5 sheets of Indriya layers (Auras) knows everything being done and witneses cause and effect. Sat (Real, Truth) is non-destructable that is Athuman - Self or Soul(Bagavan says cannot be destroyed by fire, water, or by anything. Conscience is Budhi tells you right and wrong. Ghan Anand is realization due to Gynana (True knowledge). Only after realization the Jeeva (embodied soul) understands that it` s Swaroop (self) is one with Bagavan (God). The Jeeva knows these. Having known these it is trying to attain the state of Anandham (Bliss). The happiness said is not real. Happiness opposite is sorrow, gains opposite loss, health opposite diseases, and so on. But there is no opposite of Anand (bliss). The happiness that one experiences are temporary. Ex: Very good amicable wife. Husband is happy. But she falls sick happiness gone. She recovers happiness manifests. This interupted happiness that Jeeva experiences is disliked, and quest for permanent happiness is sought, thereby Jeeva is unhappy. Jai Sri Krishna baiya sathyanarayan ---------------------------- GITA TALK GROUP GUIDELINES: 1. Purpose of the group is to help Sadhakas clarify their doubts related to Gitaji shalokas. Therefore, responses which further clarify the understanding of Gitaji, will only be posted. 2. Wherever possible, please quote Gitaji or other scriptures to substantiate your response. 3. Kindly limit personal feelings, opinions, beliefs etc. to the extent that they further help in understanding the Gita shlokas 4. Please be as concise and to the point as possible, respecting sadhaka's time. 5. Kindly focus your writing to the subject at hand only. 6. Please do not include links to the other sites or other organizations. 7. Kindly do not include your personal information such as phone number, address etc. 8. Please do not address the response to a particular individual since the message is going to the entire group. 9. Due to the large readership, all responses may not be posted. 10. Moderator at his discretion, may modify the posting, if content is unclear or not appropriate for distribution to the group. 11. Please respond taking into consideration the novices, youth, westerners, non-sectarian audience. Kindly limit the use to Sanskrit words only, rather provide the English word with Sanskrit bracketed wherever possible. MODERATOR Ram Ram Post message: Subscribe: - Un: - ------------------------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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